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There is one thing I did not like about this episode (and also -not to be off-topic-but the Survival Guide too)

It made me miss Season 2 so much!!!!

I feel like the Tailies and their stories were like a secret entity. Does anyone know what I mean?

It was one episode.

Plus, you'd definitely be pissed off to the ends of the fiery hellpits if the whole episode was centered on the BEACH and none of the Alcatraz stuff was shown. :)

It was one episode.

Plus, you'd definitely be pissed off to the ends of the fiery hellpits if the whole episode was centered on the BEACH and none of the Alcatraz stuff was shown. :)

This episode moved UBER-fast for Lost. I didn't expect it to be centered on the Beach - it just feels strange as a fan knowing that chunk of the story (S2) and having it be so behind the scenes.

I feel like we didn't learn much; Juliet was a fertility doctor recruited to the island by Widmore types. The end.

I thought Juliet's ex-husband's death to be cheezy as hell and weaksauce writing. I liked alot of the rest.

I thought Juliet's ex-husband's death to be cheezy as hell and weaksauce writing.
I mean, who didn't see that coming a MILE away!!! While they were standing on the sidewalk, we were looking at the bus in the background just waiting around for it to hit him. And the way the bus practically flew through him without even slowing down reminded me of the bus accident in Mean Girls. Cheezy :cheese: yeah, that's definitely the word of the day .....

Speaking of :cheese: - the tearful goodbye between Alex & Karl was also a shameless attempt to jerk some tears that didn't quite pan out.

The other reasons I wasn't crazy about this epi may be partly my own fault for watching several LOST previews and LOST Moments. I felt like I already knew 75% of what was going to happen. There just weren't too many surprises.

I had read an interview where the writer said they saw Juliet shoot someone on set. My immediate reaction was, "Ah, she shoots Pickett" and so that was definitely no surprise.

The only 2 parts of this epi that weren't either spoiled by previews or cheezy writing were the brainwashing of Karl a la Clockwork Orange and the admission from Juliet that she was also being kept against her will. Other than those 2 items I felt a bit let down. :undecide:

Just didn't work. Too much hype to live up to.

I thought Juliet's ex-husband's death to be cheezy as hell and weaksauce writing. I liked alot of the rest.

I agree with the bus death scene. I mean, come on, that was probably one of the most obvious and flimsy "surprises" I've ever seen on Lost, and it's something that's been a tad over-done in film & television lately. But it was nice to see that jerk get smushed, though it didn't look like he was all that smushed on the slab. :undecide:

While I love Juliet, I hate that having an episode centered around her meant even more continuation of the Jack/Sawyer/Kate story. Honestly, it's time to let this crap go for a while, and get back to some of the more interesting and not-so-soap-opera-scene-inducing characters.

I feel the same as most of you, not enough info to keep you really really interested.
Not my favorite episode, but next week will hopefully make up for that.

It was good, but I'm still waiting for the "oh, man!!!!" feeling like I had when I watched Walkabout. Walkabout just killed me--I'm waiting for another episode like it.

The episode was "ok" and I liked that they looked back into Julia's history a little bit, but I wish they'd have a little more action this season, and a little less flashbacks. Ah well. I'm still glad the show is back.

We waited for this? After months on hiatus, the show returns, and now I feel it has really lost its momentum. It borrowed heavily from A Clockwork Orange in the mind-control scene. Its only revelation was that Juliet was a captive on the island as well.

*yawn*

A study in mediocrity, with an occasional half-hearted punch to keep you awake.

A little show the first half, but got pretty good the second.

run run run, pant, pant pant, bang, bang, bang. Story line? zilch. Oh yes, Juliet was a fertility doctor and is unhappy.

It was good, but I'm still waiting for the "oh, man!!!!" feeling like I had when I watched Walkabout. Walkabout just killed me--I'm waiting for another episode like it.

I cant say I didn't like the episode. It was up and down. But most episodes don't look so good when held up against masterful ones like Walkabout.....I must erase that episode from my memory so I can enjoy the rest of the series. :biggrin:

As I said in the poll threat, I did not like this episode. I am already so sick of the Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and The Others show after the mini season and this was just a continuation of it! I have really lost interest in those characters and would not miss them if they disappeared for the rest of the season. Bring back the other Losties!!!!

The episode was "ok" and I liked that they looked back into Julia's history a little bit, but I wish they'd have a little more action this season, and a little less flashbacks. Ah well. I'm still glad the show is back.
I actually like the flashbacks. I think if all they did was concentrate on the stories of the island we wouldn't get 5 seasons out of the show. I love seeing how events in someone's past shapes their reaction to current confrontations.

I cant say I didn't like the episode. It was up and down. But most episodes don't look so good when held up against masterful ones like Walkabout.....I must erase that episode from my memory so I can enjoy the rest of the series. :biggrin:
True, true .... It's hard to imagine that there will ever be a bigger reveal than that one. :redface:

True, true .... It's hard to imagine that there will ever be a bigger reveal than that one. :redface:

I read somewhere that:

This season how Locke ended in the wheelchair will be revealed.

Am looking forward to that answer of one of the top questions from everybody.

I didn't like it because:

1. Jack is still behaving like an old lady. A wuss.
2. At the beach, with Kate and Sawyer... they managed to shoot and hit the walkie-talkie! It'd take a sniper in real life to do that...

The moments I did enjoy, was between Tom and Jack during surgery :D

I didn't like it because:
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2. At the beach, with Kate and Sawyer... they managed to shoot and hit the walkie-talkie! It'd take a sniper in real life to do that..


Agreed. I did a little roll eye when i saw that. But I guess half of the stuff on this show seems far fetched.

I feel like we didn't learn much; Juliet was a fertility doctor recruited to the island by Widmore types. The end.

That'd be it. For what purpose, why they wanted her, how they have "forced" her to stay, how they even explained their organization (or who their organization really is) to her -- nothing.

Just alot more non-sense and wasting of time. I'm surpirsed the show's long-promised magic turtle didn't show up.

I am already so sick of the Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and The Others show after the mini season and this was just a continuation of it! I have really lost interest in those characters and would not miss them if they disappeared for the rest of the season. Bring back the other Losties!!!!

I totally agree. Seasons 1 and 2 had a very good balance of all the characters until they got killed off. Now we only see Jack, Kate and Sawyer in every episode. It's beginning to annoy me.

What a waste of my precious time. Good thing CSI was on, so I caught the end of it because last night's episode was... a flop.

I just thought of something that could have saved that cringe-worthy scene between Alex & Karl sniffling their pathetic good-bye's.

Instead of Sawyer looking on and using his best abused-puppy-dog-face, he should have done something that would be much more natural to his character like rolling his eyes :rolleye1: or hurrying them up with some smart-aleck remark! The wounded look was very out of place and made us groan even more.

I don't think I like this softer, gentler Sawyer..... :cool:

While overall I wasn't displeased with this episode, nearly everything with Kate and Sawyer had me cringing, minus the Clockwork Orange scene.

While overall I wasn't displeased with this episode, nearly everything with Kate and Sawyer had me cringing, minus the Clockwork Orange scene.

Yeah I was hoping that the melodrama we suffered through during the mini-series wouldn't spill over into this block of episodes but I suppose it had to. :rolleyes: Blechh, please tell me the next epi will be BETTER! (at least in the Sawyer/Kate department)

Didn't love it. Didn't hate it. I did what I said I would do when S3 resumed, which is just watched while I did laundry and looked over some work. I never would have done that in Seasons 1 or 2. Can't help but notice that the volume of responses on the board in general are way down. Guess everyone else was only half way tuned in also.

BTW, I did roll my eyes when Alex showed up with her killer sling-shot again. :rolleye1:

I can't say hated it, can't say I loved it. I still tune in, and ironically "tune out" as I watch Lost.

Sorta like watching Gilligan's Island when I was nine. But then, Gilliagan's Island had Ginger in every episode.

If Lost, kills off-or fails to feature, so much as one more hottie, I quit!

.....The one thing I really hated about this epidose is in the beginning I almost felt like I was watching the "Previously On Lost" because it was moving so quickly and the scenes were so choppy. I loved the story and the characters of course but this episode was WAY chopped.

Gotta love how they delve but don't deliver, it's killer.
The moments I did enjoy, was between Tom and Jack during surgery :D

I singularly agree :biggrin:

If Lost, kills off-or fails to feature, so much as one more hottie, I quit!

That is a darn good way of sizing things up.

I didn't really think this episode was all that great. It was soooo obvious that Juliet's nasty hubby would meet death by bus.

The flashbacks must stop. They are really not adding that much value at this point and for the most part I really don't have an nterest in backstories.

The thing that made the show great to start is sorely missing: the solid base cast and the interaction between them. The show was minus Locke, Claire, Sun and Jin, Hurley, Charlie, etc. I am so sick and tired to the Jack/Kate/Sawyer show. It's really gotten old. And they have diluted the strength of the cast, and the story, by adding all these characters.

Once again, Alex and her slingshot was cringeworthy.

Alex steps in at the last second to save Sawyer and Kate, then Juliet steps in at the last second to save Sawyer and Kate. Ho. Hum.

Juliet's ex getting hit by the bus? Whatever. I've over these "shocking" car accidents that dramas seem to be in love with over the past couple years.

It was nice to see Sawyer and Kate finally decide to run and try to escape the island. Oh sure they could have simply walked out of the cage previously when their lives were in danger but TPTB don't care about common sense or rational thought when writing Lost.

Why is it that NO ONE, not Jack, Sawyer or Kate seem to be able to ask the most important questions? You know, such as, where is this island exactly? What's with all the mysterious, bizarre and seemingly otherworldly stuff going on? Does Jack ask Tom? NO. Does Jack ask Juliet? NO. Does Sawyer or Kate ask Alex? NO. Do they ask Juliet at the beach? NO. No one makes ANY EFFORT to ask common sense questions.

I thought the episode in general was very boring. I didn't find any huge reveal except that Hanso recuits innocent people basically lying to them about what thier company does.

Wasn't my favorite episode, because I too am getting tired of too much Kate, Sawyer and Jack. However I don't agree with getting rid of flashbacks. They are a very crucial part of the show, imagine not having seen one flashback. We wouldn't know jack-squat about any of them!! Character builds everytime we see a flashback and gives you info you wouldn't normally know without them. I know some people's flashbacks are definitely more boring than others. We need them though.

Oh My !!! Sawyer and Kate escaped, they were allowed to escape !!!
No they weren't. They were allowed back to the original " Lost " island.

" Don't come back for me, Kate " was Jack's heroic plea.

This show is so far past it's expiry date it is not true.

Where have all the Negheads gone ? I lost touch during the " break ".

Why is it that NO ONE, not Jack, Sawyer or Kate seem to be able to ask the most important questions? You know, such as, where is this island exactly? What's with all the mysterious, bizarre and seemingly otherworldly stuff going on? Does Jack ask Tom? NO. Does Jack ask Juliet? NO. Does Sawyer or Kate ask Alex? NO. Do they ask Juliet at the beach? NO. No one makes ANY EFFORT to ask common sense questions.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I'm just so used to it by now it doesn't really phase me anymore. I doubt we will see a debriefing of Karl at all. I have to say that my favorite part of the episode was when they went in the brainwashing room and everyone's jaws dropped. Sawyer had just a perfect "What the HELL is this?" expression on his face. If only they would put those reactions into words and show some believable conversation and dialogue about the situation they are in! That would score SO many points with so many disgruntled viewers!!!

My sister (a recovering Lost addict) put it really well. "Last night's episode was like having lunch with your ex-boyfriend. Sure, there was a little charm there. A little flicker of that old passion, but on the whole, too much water has passed under the bridge."

I've been let down too many times by Lost to allow myself to get caught up emotionally (or intellectually) again.

No matter how exciting Karl's rescue sequence was, we all know that TPTB aren't going to allow him to answer any burning questions about the Others. He has been conveniently brainwashed, after all. His memory will be, sadly, too spotty to tell the Losties much of anything. Sigh...

TPTB are throwing us a little bone about the time issue. Well, many of us have been speculating since Season 1 that time is not what it seems on the Island. My sig-line translates to: "The Time Returns." But for me, I think it's just too late. I can't get excited about any of this anymore.

As long as the character stories were good, I was willing to go the distance with TPTB on all the mythology stuff. But when Ben ended up with that tumor and Sawyer and Kate got all cagey... it was just too much for me. It stretched the limits of my credulity to the breaking point.

So Juliet was recruited to the Island only three years ago? Ho-hum...

I think I'm done with Lost. Y'all take care.

My sister (a recovering Lost addict) put it really well. "Last night's episode was like having lunch with your ex-boyfriend. Sure, there was a little charm there. A little flicker of that old passion, but on the whole, too much water has passed under the bridge."

I've been let down too many times by Lost to allow myself to get caught up emotionally (or intellectually) again.

No matter how exciting Karl's rescue sequence was, we all know that TPTB aren't going to allow him to answer any burning questions about the Others. He has been conveniently brainwashed, after all. His memory will be, sadly, too spotty to tell the Losties much of anything. Sigh...

TPTB are throwing us a little bone about the time issue. Well, many of us have been speculating since Season 1 that time is not what it seems on the Island. My sig-line translates to: "The Time Returns." But for me, I think it's just too late. I can't get excited about any of this anymore.

As long as the character stories were good, I was willing to go the distance with TPTB on all the mythology stuff. But when Ben ended up with that tumor and Sawyer and Kate got all cagey... it was just too much for me. It stretched the limits of my credulity to the breaking point.

So Juliet was recruited to the Island only three years ago? Ho-hum...

I think I'm done with Lost. Y'all take care.

I like the ex-boyfirend analogy. Like I said before, I wasn't anywhere close to being excited over this episode one way or the other. I actually went to the bathroom once, NOT during a commercial, but during the the very 42 minutes of play time. I subsequently returned from the bathroom, proceeded to make down the bed, and asked my husband "what happened?":shock: They say the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. So, I guess saying "Didn't love it" is actually saying alot... :broken_heart:

I found it a poor payoff for such a long wait, the only real 'series-1' moment was when we find Karl in that Clockwork-Orange style cinema room. The backstory only told you so much (I didn't find it a huge revelation that she had at some point been recruited by DHARMA as opposed to being born on the island) and the Jack-Kate-Sawyer drama has far overstayed it's welcome. I much preferred the others when we knew nothing about them.

The one thing that annoys me is the fact that 'Not In Portland' was basically a total continuation of 'I Do' which begs the question why did they bother with the mini season in the 1st place! :confused:

The mini season wasn't a mini season after all, it was just 6 normal episodes bunched together, with a cringeworthy sex scene to add alittle finale spice allegedly:frown:, I always felt 'I Do' wasn't finale material and that's because it obviously wasn't meant to be! :frown:

After a long hiatus I was expecting alittle bit more :frown:

This just proves why there shouldn't be any gaps inbetween episodes IMO, it lets the fans down, it gets their hopes up just to smash em down again. :frown:

My sister (a recovering Lost addict) put it really well. "Last night's episode was like having lunch with your ex-boyfriend. Sure, there was a little charm there. A little flicker of that old passion, but on the whole, too much water has passed under the bridge."

I've been let down too many times by Lost to allow myself to get caught up emotionally (or intellectually) again.
I think I'm done with Lost. Y'all take care.
That's EXACTLY how I felt. Thanks to your sister for putting it into words for me. In fact, when I was watching it, I was thinking, "What did I ever see in you? This is not the same show I used to love. Has it changed or have I changed?" I was trying to remember back to when I fell in love with the show and it was so odd because I had no feelings left for it at all. I couldn't even dislike it or get mad at it, as I had toward the end of last season, when I kept thinking we could make it work. So, yeah, its over. I'll probably drop in here just to visit old friends, and to read your wit and commentary, but I'm over this show for good now. P.S. Don't feel sad for me. I formed a great new relationship with 24!

Why is it that NO ONE, not Jack, Sawyer or Kate seem to be able to ask the most important questions? You know, such as, where is this island exactly? What's with all the mysterious, bizarre and seemingly otherworldly stuff going on? Does Jack ask Tom? NO. Does Jack ask Juliet? NO. Does Sawyer or Kate ask Alex? NO. Do they ask Juliet at the beach? NO. No one makes ANY EFFORT to ask common sense questions.

The simply ask questions that the have at least a chance to be answered.
Do you really believe that if jack asks juliet "Where is this island?What is this island?" he will get an answer???

If they ask those questions believe me you will immediately get even more bored of the show becuase then,really nothing is going to happen.
That's my opinion...

The simply ask questions that the have at least a chance to be answered.
Do you really believe that if jack asks juliet "Where is this island?What is this island?" he will get an answer???

If they ask those questions believe me you will immediately get even more bored of the show becuase then,really nothing is going to happen.
That's my opinion...


Whether a character actually gets an answer or not is irrelevant. They should at least ask the questions. Not asking goes against common sense and makes the characters look even more stupid (and there's plenty of things they do and don't do that makes them look stupid).

Jack can pout and prissily demand that Juliet tell him what Ben said to her but he can't ask a basic question that someone would ask who is trapped on a bizarre island?

Kate and Sawyer "escape" to the main island where they will be prisoners but make no effort to ask Sling-shot Alex or even Juliet where they are, how/if they can leave and what's up with the island?

The plight of the charcters is that they are trapped somewhere on a bizarre island yet they make little or no effort to learn about their circumstances. Why should anyone care if these imbeciles solve any mysteries and get off the island if they don't seem to care and make no common sense efforts?

That's EXACTLY how I felt. Thanks to your sister for putting it into words for me. In fact, when I was watching it, I was thinking, "What did I ever see in you? This is not the same show I used to love. Has it changed or have I changed?" I was trying to remember back to when I fell in love with the show and it was so odd because I had no feelings left for it at all.

Love your screenname - me too.

This is a great analogy, I agree. Unfortunately I'm not far enough along towards indifference yet. My heart is still breaking.:frown:

Here's my view on this episode. It certainly wasn't great. The Others, to me, feel like plot devices that are just strange for the sake of being that way, with no true purpose. I don't mind a little strangeness--for instance, the Hatch is strange, but strange with a definite sense of purpose. The Others don't hold my attention. Nor do countless scenes of Jack, Kate, and Sawyer in various combinations.

I feel like maybe if they'd aired Not In Portland and then cut to the break, it might have made a little more sense to me.

Not In Portland felt like filler material. I've actually felt this way about LOST a lot, recently...

I agree with others who have said they felt pure indifference. Me, too. I felt no suspense. I didn't care about the characters. I didn't particularly even care about the show. I don't like feeling this way.

I just miss the ensemble. LOST isn't the show I fell in love with.

Hopefully, now that we're back to the beach (again, hopefully), the ensemble feeling will return. I've missed Hurley, Claire, Charlie, Sayid, and Desmond. Perhaps with this return, the show will go back to the way it was before.

I don't like this feeling of indifference. I like being made to care, being held captive by what I am watching. And if LOST continues to fail to deliver, I may just stop watching. I've already mostly stopped anticipating, and it's just the next logical step.

Here's my view on this episode. It certainly wasn't great. The Others, to me, feel like plot devices that are just strange for the sake of being that way, with no true purpose. I don't mind a little strangeness--for instance, the Hatch is strange, but strange with a definite sense of purpose. The Others don't hold my attention. Nor do countless scenes of Jack, Kate, and Sawyer in various combinations.

I feel like maybe if they'd aired Not In Portland and then cut to the break, it might have made a little more sense to me.

Not In Portland felt like filler material. I've actually felt this way about LOST a lot, recently...

I agree with others who have said they felt pure indifference. Me, too. I felt no suspense. I didn't care about the characters. I didn't particularly even care about the show. I don't like feeling this way.

I just miss the ensemble. LOST isn't the show I fell in love with.

Hopefully, now that we're back to the beach (again, hopefully), the ensemble feeling will return. I've missed Hurley, Claire, Charlie, Sayid, and Desmond. Perhaps with this return, the show will go back to the way it was before.

I don't like this feeling of indifference. I like being made to care, being held captive by what I am watching. And if LOST continues to fail to deliver, I may just stop watching. I've already mostly stopped anticipating, and it's just the next logical step.

How can you miss a character like Claire ? She used to be interesting but recently has gone the same way as all the others...they've been savaged by terrible writing.
Island shakes, sky turns purple = Claire sits on beach and makes jokes with Charlie.
Locke returns from exploding bunker after island shakes, sky turns purple = " What's Locke doing " .

Lost has become like an old 1980's computer adventure game . There are loads of items, possibilities but everytime you try and pick something up or interact with the surroundings you get " Sorry, i do not understand " or " What is ' ask question ' ? "

In Season 1 and early Season 2, almost everyone on here would have lapped up that brainwashing video, played it forwards and backwards, slow-mo etc etc but now many of us know it's not going to take us anywhere. We've been lied to too often.

Lost should be approaching it's denouement. A 3 season classic that we could all look back on and think " Yeah, that was great television " but it's been a mess for a long time and like a few people have stated in this thread, i am almost completely disconnected from it now.

Lost has become like an old 1980's computer adventure game . There are loads of items, possibilities but everytime you try and pick something up or interact with the surroundings you get " Sorry, i do not understand " or " What is ' ask question ' ? "

That was brilliant!

I was having this conversation with my girlfriend about this weeks episode: things don't feel dangerous anymore. No matter how many "shocking deaths" happen to sell the life-or-death stakes, you knew that there wasn't a chance Sawyer and Kate would be shot while those Others were chasing them. Michael Giacchino was trying his darndest to inject some excitement into those run-away scenes but my God were they boring.

A digression: Why did Sawyer and Kate spend the night in an unlocked cage making absolutely no attempt to escape? Were they just waiting for Jack to tell them to run? Maybe they didn't want to bother without several armed men chasing and firing at them? Hmm.

The producers need to stop killing off characters willy-nilly. It doesn't make the show feel dangerous and it doesn't make the island seem like a scarier place. All it does is piss off the audience. The way to sell the life-or-death stakes is have the characters worry! Have the characters struggling for information, for food, for shelter, for their very survival. Don't have them taking strolls through the jungle, playing golf on the beach, and having nice smooches after a disastrous event.

If the characters themselves aren't scared of the jungle anymore, why the heck should the audience be?

Shooting the walkie-talkie was about the hokiest thing ever on Lost. Expert marksmanship and perfect timing by the part of Danny or that other dude. Then for the next 3 minutes the groups lob round after round and at each without coming close to hitting an actual body. Finally, to have Alex step up, once again, with her trusty slingshot just made me mad.

Romances need to STOP. I don't care about Jack/Sawyer/Kate. I don't care about Charlie/Claire. I absolutely don't care about Alex/Carl.

To be fair, the writers are under enormous pressure. Lost has to be the most picked apart show on television. As much as I enjoy shows like Heroe's there is really no comparison. Lost is still the best show on TV. I think we are all just a little spoiled with how good the show used to be.

The plight of the charcters is that they are trapped somewhere on a bizarre island yet they make little or no effort to learn about their circumstances.

Sure if this was the case no-one wud be complaining. The whole problem with Lost is that the characters arnt trapped on a bizarre island anymore - they're trapped in a cliched James Bond-ish terrorist camp complete with traditional no hope villains who couldnt shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. If we were still on the bizarre creepy island where mysterious things happen then sure we'd probably be complaining that the producers will never give us the answers we want, but at least we wouldn't be complaining that we don't care if they give us answers or not anymore.

If I could give my two cents to the writers it would be this:

Fans of Lost don't want to see love triangles. Honestly, we don't. Repeat - love triangles are dull and can be found on Ugly Betty. No more of them.
Also, people loved the others in previous seasons because they were creepy, mysterious weirdos sneaking silently through the jungle in odd clothes and bare feet. People no longer like them because now when they run through the jungle (chasing Sawyer and Kate) they make more noise than a stampede of rhinos chasing after a marching band. And they have cheeseburgers. They shouldn't have had cheeseburgers ok? The others that people liked in the olden days seemed more like they'd eat bugs than burgers. They were better others. These new others are crap.
Lastly, Alex is a terrible, terrible character. The slingshot is a terrible, terrible choice of weapon for her because it makes life or death situations cringey / funny depending on who you ask. Which ruins the build-up of drama. Please, please, please never have Alex hit anyone with that slingshot again - it makes my eyes bleed.

PS. Decide if Juliet is a good person or a bad person. Im all for character complexity, but she's just wildly inconsistent.

PPS. There was a flashback scene the entirety of which was a man saying to Juliet "We have some forms for you to fill out". This is the equivalent of Ben calling in to see Jack and saying "Jack we need to talk....It's about the weather...".

Please avoid similar errors in future to improve the quality of this useless show.

Ah, it's nice to see most of the familiar faces back here. A few are missing, unfortunately...

I didn't hate this episode, but I'm certainly not about to post in the "Loved it" thread, as this episode did nothing to approach the greatness this show could have been at one point.

I found lots of problems with the episode, but I can't really muster the energy to chronicle and belittle them as I used to... plus, I didn't despise it as much as I did most of the 'mini-season'. I'm trying to forget that mini-season ever happened. It's pretty easy to do, considering not much happened during that time.

Anyway, I'll try to gather my thoughts and come up with a critical analysis of this episode soon. :)

Glad to see most of you back!

Didnt hate it, but was underwhelmed, probably cos I read all the spoilers, but I had already presumed Ben would wake during surgery before reading that spoiler. Juliets Backstory was not particularly exciting. The most enjoyable part was the Alex & Carl rescue, and the underground pits which probably explain the whispers. I need more answers!!!:undecide:

Jack can pout and prissily demand that Juliet tell him what Ben said to her but he can't ask a basic question that someone would ask who is trapped on a bizarre island?


I found that moment to be a continuation of a theme with Jack. Women and secrets. Remember how obsessed he was with his ex wife's new boyfriends name?

b.b.

And now Juliette is in her own deadwood show.

Ted Cox of the Daily Herald echos many of our complaints about this episode (http://www.dailyherald.com/suburbanliving/story.asp?id=280737)

I'm back, if only to hang with the other "NegHeads" as Holmes so appropriately dubbed us.

That said, I agree with vertical, malachy, holmes and colin. I wanted to like this episode. I was somewhat hopeful over the increased pace, but somehow it's not working. I'm pretty sure what's not working is the continued intrusion of the Others.

There were a couple of great moments. Best line of the night, "My name is Tom, by the way." All that cheese worked for me.

The Clockword Orange homage worked for me as well, though I'm sure there will be detractors here.

I'm in agreement with Alex and the slingshot inanity. She is winsome, but if she's so good with the slingshot how come she couldn't get in to save her boyfriend all by her lonesome?

I did like Juliette's flashback, and it was kind of cool to get info on another character and one from the other side at that. Did we learn anything valuable? She was controlled by a creepy guy. She feels responsible for his death. She was somehow made to come to the island and wants to leave.

I want to feel compelled, but I'm not sure that I do.

And oh do I hear you on the reluctance to start digging through frame after frame searching for clues. I was so overinvolved in this show before, and by mid season 2 felt so strung along for so little reason.


Now, I dont' feel vested enough to even go searching around this website to look at the answers others are surely finding.

I want to feel excited about the show again. Last week's episode gave me hope. Tonight we are in for a return to the
beach. I hope it's worth the trek back across the island.

BTW, I did roll my eyes when Alex showed up with her killer sling-shot again. :rolleye1:

Oh God, my husband groaned loudly when Alex showed up with her magic slingshot, miraculously knocking out the shooter at the exact moment he is aiming for Kate. :rolleyes:

C'mon, after such a promising beginning (with Seasons 1 & 2), we should be getting better writing than this. :undecide: