You're a fugitive on the run.

You're being hounded constantly by a US Marshal.

You're accused of murdering your stepfather, and have changed names a million times.

So what do you do?

Meet, date, fall in love with, and marry a police officer. Brilliant. Was anyone else completely dumbfounded by this?

Maybe we're supposed to appreciate the irony?

I felt it was REALLY badly put across. that's a two-part flashback. You can't wrap up 2 years of someone's life in a matter of 20 minutes, unless we are to believe that took place over 6 months. A wedding scene and an escape? come on. Why not just the dating/wedding sequence and leave out the escape? what was the escape supposed to say? We know she didn't stay married to the guy, so it's not like we needed to see her run, that wasn't important. Did the authors think we needed to see the whole thing?

Don

Maybe the fact that Kevin was a cop was part of the attraction for Kate. If anyone's going to know that the federal marshalls are closing in, it will be a cop.
OR
Maybe Kate simpy yearned for a *real* life and the fact that the man she fell in love with was a cop was inconsequential.

Me!

The entire time I thought it was part of a con, especially when she called up the marshal that maybe her husband was a sort of dirty cop and she was going to trade him off...

Yeah, that was weird. I always figured Kate's marriage happened before her crime since we know she's running up until the plane crash and it wouldn't make sense for her to get married while on the run... :undecide: Or so one would think. It really doesn't make sense to me. We've seen Kate being very cunning while running - different license plates, names, etc - so I don't understand why she would think she could just settle down and the marshall would leave her alone.

Now that I think about it, this weeks flashbacks added NOTHING to the story.

I mean we already even knew Kate had been married once, she mentioned it when she played 'I never' with Sawyer

Why would she even chose a life-style (marriage) and make a statement that she doesn't do taco night... certainly no consistency there... writers ? Deeper meaning ?!

I would think that most fugitives try to avoid the police, not marry them.

I can suspend my disbelief as much as the next guy, but to expect anyone to believe that a fugitive who's wanted for murder would spend more than 5 minutes in the presence of a police officer really is asking a lot.

I thought that the entire flashback sequence was really contrived. It reinforced my belief that Kate is one of the most selfish people I have ever seen. She takes good people and ruins their lives.

yeah - we already knew she took the preg test too. granted we didn't know if it had been pos or neg but i figured neg anyway since she didn't tell sun she was pregnant before just that she took the test.

I thought it was a little ridiculous that she married a cop - I expected someone in the church to recognize her from a mugshot when she lifted her vail. Then I expected her to see her mug shot hanging in the grocery store as she shopped for 'taco night' but was let down. I think she could have lived for quite a few years w/kevin before the marsh found her but she chose to cut and run. Boy kate really loves to drug people or rather drug the ones she loves/care about.

Think its about time to define her character a little more for the audience... before she loses our interest. Character development is more important than plot for heavens sake... who the heck are these people... (not that we will stop watching...)

They should have had the plane tickets be for Sydney and have that be how Kate got to Australia.

She could have drugged him with the juice and then used the honeymoon tickets to get Down Under. And that would explain the federal marshall's line on the plane "Sure you don't want any more juice..?" *smirk*

Writers thought process:

Hey we've mentioned that Kate's been married and has taken a preg-test. Let's show this on screen in a flashback sequence and add nothing interesting to it.

So when do you think this all took place? Clearly after What Kate Did, of course, but how soon before the crash? And does Miami hold any other significance?

Folks, this sort of stuff actually happens. Y'all have never heard about some long forgotten fugitive who is captured after 20-30 years living a quiet life with a wife and kids in the suburbs? It actually has happened, as in the case of former fugitive Allen Richardson: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/062900-03.htm

Eventually they want to stop running and experience a normal life, because being on the run, especially long term, is difficult and tiresome. You can never get comfortable. That's exactly what she pleaded for with the Marshall when she called him. She just wanted to live a normal life with her husband. Unfortunately, she started feeling trapped and had to flee. Her time on the island has been one of the mores table times in her life after her crime, which is why she doesn't want to run now.

its taco night....................i dont do taco night
give her the stick...........dont give her the stick

boooooooooooooooo


hisssssssssssssssssssssssss

I felt it was REALLY badly put across. that's a two-part flashback. You can't wrap up 2 years of someone's life in a matter of 20 minutes, unless we are to believe that took place over 6 months. A wedding scene and an escape? come on. Why not just the dating/wedding sequence and leave out the escape? what was the escape supposed to say? We know she didn't stay married to the guy, so it's not like we needed to see her run, that wasn't important. Did the authors think we needed to see the whole thing?

Don

Well actually her running WAS the message from the flashback...so they kinda had to show that ;)

As I understood it...the point of the flashback was to show that even when Kate loved this nice, normal guy...even when she had a chance to settle down...she couldn't do it. The Marshall even told her he'd stop chasing her...but he knew that wouldn't matter...she WANTED to run. She didn't take off because she was going to get caught, or because he thought her new husband wouldn't forgive her. I think he proabably would have wanted to help her once he knew the truth. She took off because she couldn't make settling down 'fit' with who she was.

Kate runs even when there's nothing to run from...that was the point. And it was intended to contrast her current behaviour with Sawyer. Even though there were so many reasons to run and save herself...she was rooted to the ground. She stayed in a cage to connect with him...She couldn't make herself leave him even when a couple of weeks ago he begged her to.

I think the flashback clearly shows how much better looking Eve is without sweat and dirt all over her face!!

I really thought she was going to get recognized by one of the cops at the wedding!

The real question is how did she get good enough documents to get married, but not enough to get a passport.

The real question is how did she get good enough documents to get married, but not enough to get a passport.

Who says she never had a passport? I'm quite sure with all the travelling she did that she had tons of fake passports. The reason she doesn't have one on the island is because she was in police custody when the plane crashed. They took all her personal belongings...probably confisctated any fake passports as evidence.

Who says she never had a passport? I'm quite sure with all the travelling she did that she had tons of fake passports. The reason she doesn't have one on the island is because she was in police custody when the plane crashed. They took all her personal belongings...probably confisctated any fake passports as evidence.

I could be wrong but I though that the reason Kate was upset when Kevin announced their honeymoon and told her to get her passport was because she didn't have a passport and was afraid that if she tried to leave the country she'd be apprehended.

That was my thought exactly. She seemed quite happy until he told her to get her passport.

That was my thought exactly. She seemed quite happy until he told her to get her passport.

I don't think it was that at all. I mean it's a possibility...but I think it was the sight of plane tickets that shook her up. Because she's been living this domestic lie for months...and then her husband hands her the one thing that she can't be free of...a ticket out of the country. It's the symbolism of the whole thing. Kate wants to run...It was just another incident in a series of many that reminded her why she couldn't stay with this guy.

Now she may not have had a passport for "Monica" yet...so maybe that upset her. But I don't think it would be hard for her to fake one...I'm sure she's done it before.

She WAS in Australia when she was caught...so she had to have gotten there somehow.

Wanna bet this guy died? Like she overdosed it or something (by accident).. Would explain the Marshall's line about the juice... And she saying she had killed someone she loved, since Tom wasn't actually killed BY her, he was killed BECAUSE of her...

that there are 3 pages of confused folk, I would say that TPTB need to do a better job making their points generally in all scenes and I think that they are purposely leaving important things out of all scenes to keep us guessing...

that said, here is what I believed they showed intentionally and wanted us to know:

Kate did love Kevin (we knew she was married but not to whom or if it was love)

Kate did not feel that she deserved Kevin or his family/friends/life and she felt very guilty about keeping the truth from them (constant issue and reinforce her feelings were real & not a con)

She was living the settled life and everything was fine until he bought tickets out of the country (her fear made her run)

Kate fears the marshall, seemingly more than law folk generally

Kate falls deeply in love with "good men" but doesn't seem to believe she deserves them


here is what I think they are leaving ambiguous:

how is the marshall connected to Kate beyond that she blew up her abusive father - they keep emphasizing subtly that his anger at her is personal - this seemed even more true to me when she called him and asked him to leave her alone pleading that she really loved kevin - no law enforcement official is going to care about that nor would they then offer to drop the search for her if she stays married and in one place

the marshall said he would leave her alone if she didn't run and then implied that he was certain she couldn't stay in one place with one man - if the only connection he has to her is that she is a criminal and he is the law - then duh, of course she has always ran as long as you have known her - she is a fugitive - which has nothing to do with her emotional ability to commit - if he does know that about her and we are supposed to believe him about that, then how does he know that about her....

...he either knows her from some other way and does know her personality/behavior OR this is one very weird marshall


Why did Kate run if not because of emotional commitment issues? pretty simply: she just didn't believe the marshall would really stop hunting her and when Kev bought tickets, she realized that she would have to fake more documents and risk being caught and all that would bring

why did she marry a cop when she is a fugitive - they have to be purposely leaving something out here, either it started as a con, or she fell in love before she knew what he did for a living - either way, boom she found herself in love, tired of running and wanting a normal/real life and fooled herself into believing for a while that she could have one

we still don't know what has happened to kate from the others when she is off camera, her odd behavior since hanging out with them could be driven by facts yet unknown


Here are some general thoughts and speculations about the flashback:


she risked everything to be with kevin and she came clean about it to him in the end, she was trying to explain why, tell him she loves him, and keep him from trying to fix it and get into trouble all at the same time and convince herself that leaving was best when she didn't really want to

she really seems to want to be the person kevin thinks she is

she does do selfless things sometimes

she has no problem telling someone she does love that she loves them

she felt conflicted about being pregnant - either way could have helped or hurt in the situation she was in, but I felt the impression was that she was really sad, it meant that there was no "real" tie to keep her there, make her husband help her, child of love created together - yet relieved because she knew it was best for her husband that she leave.

the flashbacks answered how her previously mentioned marriage went. was no one else wondering what happened with it?! and i'm glad they wrapped it up in one episode, because without her escape we'd all be like "well, what really happened to end the marriage?", etc.

i feel like saying that "well we already knew she was married, so this flashback was worthless" is like saying "well, we already knew locke was paralyzed for some time... so we don't have to see how it happened".

and yes, very crazy that it's a cop that she ended up marrying!

Folks, this sort of stuff actually happens. Y'all have never heard about some long forgotten fugitive who is captured after 20-30 years living a quiet life with a wife and kids in the suburbs? It actually has happened, as in the case of former fugitive Allen Richardson: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/062900-03.htm

Eventually they want to stop running and experience a normal life, because being on the run, especially long term, is difficult and tiresome. You can never get comfortable. That's exactly what she pleaded for with the Marshall when she called him. She just wanted to live a normal life with her husband. Unfortunately, she started feeling trapped and had to flee. Her time on the island has been one of the mores table times in her life after her crime, which is why she doesn't want to run now.

Indeed.

This is the beauty of the show that it can be viewed one way as inconsistent and contradictory and another as painfully realistic.

"I do" sort of reminded me of two things: The Fugitive and The Sopranos.

The Marshal and Kate's relationship by the time of "I Do" basically mirrors the relationship of Tommy Lee Jones character and Harrison's Ford's character. It got to a point with Jones that he wanted to capture Ford just for the sake of capturing Ford. The singlemindedness drove him and went from being a job to a passion to an obsession. And clearly that's where the Marshal's head is at. He almost enjoyed making the promise to not hunt her if she stayed put because he knew 110% that she'd run eventually.

Maybe she thought the best place to hide was in plain sight.:confused:

I thought that the entire flashback sequence was really contrived. It reinforced my belief that Kate is one of the most selfish people I have ever seen. She takes good people and ruins their lives.

Yep ... perfect match for Sawyer cause she's gonna break his chicken-fried con man's heart into little tiny pieces. "Uh Sawyer ... we had sex ... that was nice ... ummm sure is warmer snuggled up next to you than freezin my *** off in that cage over there .... but ... no ... you didn't hear me say I love you and sugar ... you won't ... and I'm not conning you like you did all those other poor smuck chicks in your past ... I told you I said it the other time to save your *** .... you ain't listening are you? Well sorry about that Sly but Katie has her OWN AGENDA .... right now you're part of it --- enjoy ---- uh ... later ... not so much ..."

Hey, you can't choose who you fall in love with.

Now that I think about it, this weeks flashbacks added NOTHING to the story.
It added plenty. She wasn't just running because she killed her father - it's a way of life for her. Even when she told the marshal she wanted to stop running, he called her on it. We knew she was running.

But now, in this ep, we see a character change in her - she WON'T run. She CAN run - she could easily escape this situation - but she CHOOSES not to. And for the first time, she seems to mean it.

Don't know what it is about these circumstances - maybe it's that she doesn't have to pretend to be something she's not with Sawyer, or that Jack's still looking out for her even though he knows she isn't perfect - but she doesn't want to leave either of them behind to save herself. Not this time.

I think she's the most "lost" of all the characters. She longs for a secure life when she's on the run, yet when she's secure, she needs to run. I don't think she knows WHAT to do. But here, on the island, she seems to have found a place where she belongs - feeds her desire to be free (no one's chasing her - and there's an entire island to escape in), yet she has a "family" in Sawyer, Jack, and Sun, as well as the other castaways. She contributes to the group - and she can be separate from it as well.




They should have had the plane tickets be for Sydney and have that be how Kate got to Australia.Too easy to trace. "Her husband just bought tickets to Costa Rica." "Go check the airport - see if anyone's used them or traded them in." :71:

Folks, this sort of stuff actually happens. Y'all have never heard about some long forgotten fugitive who is captured after 20-30 years living a quiet life with a wife and kids in the suburbs? It actually has happened, as in the case of former fugitive Allen Richardson: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/062900-03.htm

Eventually they want to stop running and experience a normal life, because being on the run, especially long term, is difficult and tiresome. You can never get comfortable. That's exactly what she pleaded for with the Marshall when she called him. She just wanted to live a normal life with her husband. Unfortunately, she started feeling trapped and had to flee. Her time on the island has been one of the mores table times in her life after her crime, which is why she doesn't want to run now.
:clap:

She didn't take off because she was going to get caught, or because he thought her new husband wouldn't forgive her. I think he proabably would have wanted to help her once he knew the truth. She took off because she couldn't make settling down 'fit' with who she was.

Kate runs even when there's nothing to run from...that was the point. And it was intended to contrast her current behaviour with Sawyer. Even though there were so many reasons to run and save herself...she was rooted to the ground. She stayed in a cage to connect with him...She couldn't make herself leave him even when a couple of weeks ago he begged her to.
I agree Q. Well said.

But here, on the island, she seems to have found a place where she belongs - feeds her desire to be free (no one's chasing her - and there's an entire island to escape in), yet she has a "family" in Sawyer, Jack, and Sun, as well as the other castaways. She contributes to the group - and she can be separate from it as well.
I think that's true of most of the main characters. If they did have the opportunity to be rescued, how many of them would really want to leave?

I tend to agree with some of you that last week's flashbacks were among the weakest of the season and didn't add a whole lot to what we already knew about Kate. Yes, they substantiated some of what we thought, but some of it just seemed redundant. I also agree that one key thing to get out of this is the disturbingly personal relationship Kate has with the Marshall. I believe there is more to be revealed regarding that.

Also, I have another opinion about why Kate would do something so foolish as marry a police officer, call the marshall, and actually confess to her husband rather than just abandoning him there to help buy her time on the run. One thing LOST has shown us over 2+ seasons is that Kate struggles with the different aspects of herself. I believe her close association with both a police officer and the marshall is not coincidental, but indicative of the fact that on some level, she wants to be caught. We see the impact of her conscience on her face in this episode several times. She is not strong enough (or moral enough?) to "do the right thing," but a part of her wants to be caught. I think it's analagous to the serial criminal that begins getting sloppy shortly before getting caught by authorities.

The real question is how did she get good enough documents to get married, but not enough to get a passport.

Must have gotten a passport......how else end up in Sydney? And if you know someone good enough to get that passport they could put you "new married" name on it just as easily.:confused:

You're a fugitive on the run.

You're being hounded constantly by a US Marshal.

You're accused of murdering your stepfather, and have changed names a million times.

So what do you do?

Meet, date, fall in love with, and marry a police officer. Brilliant. Was anyone else completely dumbfounded by this?

It was the PERFECT cover!! Very smart on Kate's part! Who would suspect a policeman's wife?

I agree it was a bad flashback.

As for the logic of marrying a cop, if you do a good enough job concealing your identity you can get away with it. Plus, there is something to be said about that concept of "hiding in plain sight."

The flashbacks have mostly become redundant. The moment you hear that so-called ominous sound of flashiddyflash it's time for a quick stab of the remote control

Fair enough, but it still doesn't explain the idiotic move of calling the marshall. Kate is not as "in control" as I think some people are suspecting. She sets up the timer, presumably to avoid the trace, but nearly forgets about it (note her startled look when it rings). Assigning her the planning and good sense to shack up with a cop in order to hide in the least-suspected place still does not jive with other boneheaded decisions/mistakes, such as the aforementioned call and the fact she tells her husband the truth before he passes out. A cold, calculated con artist (more of what we see in Sawyer flashbacks) would not commit to such sloppy tactics. Again, I believe it's indicative of the fact that a part of her wants to end the entire thing, but her inability to stop "running" makes it impossible for her to surrender on her own. This is the tie-in to the island drama and the final line shouted by Jack, etc.

Oh yeah, and I even said the whole "hide in the open" thing humorously. I think she's completely off her rocker, and I have never, EVER seen why so many people seem to think she is such a catch other than mere physical attractiveness. And since I'm not 12, that doesn't do it for me anymore.

Juliet, in six episodes, has shown herself to be more attractive to me than any other Lost woman, because she is intelligent, strong and formidable. Kate is an over-emotional mess and would likely be a nightmare in a relationship.

Well actually her running WAS the message from the flashback...so they kinda had to show that ;)

Kate runs even when there's nothing to run from...that was the point. And it was intended to contrast her current behaviour with Sawyer. Even though there were so many reasons to run and save herself...she was rooted to the ground. She stayed in a cage to connect with him...She couldn't make herself leave him even when a couple of weeks ago he begged her to.

Exactly! The whole purpose of the flashback was to show that she runs, since the whole episode revolved around that point!

Kate is just misguided. She fell in love with a guy and hopes she can make it work but realizes she couldn't fit the mold. She tells her husband the truth and then leaves. She could easily have left without any explanation. This episode shows she is tired of being alone and will not run again unless her friends/family are with her, meaning both men. She cannot bring herself to abandon Jack and Sawyer just to free herself.

The three of them will have to end up somewhere else. They can't just return to the beach again, no answers, no chance of escape. The show will become an endless loop of people leaving (the beach camp) and returning with nothing to show for it except that they are still alive. It has to move to another level, like those stupid video games. Imagine, a TV show written like a stupid video /x-box game. sheesh

The whole purpose of the flashback was to show that she runs, since the whole episode revolved around that point!

My point is that we already knew she runs. We've seen her running for 2 and a half years. I think most of us would have understood the significance of her staying with Sawyer even if we hadn't had another 'Kate is born to run' flashback. This episode would have been improved had they not had a flashback at all, and spent that extra 20 minutes of screen time with Locke's group or some down time at the beach.

As far as the passport issue goes, she likely had a passport, but not one with the name 'Monica.' Had she tried to go oon the honeymoon, her husband would have found out she was using a false name. Hence the line, "You would have found out eventually."

Come on, the cop isn't that far out. As much as Kate is the proverbial "bad girl" she likes straight laced guys. Tom was a doctor. Kevin is a cop. I didn't see it as that far of a reach - I think the attraction comes from the fact that her dad, her hero, was in the army, and she likes men that are squared away and responsible.

The only bad boys we've seen Kate with in the past were losers and criminals that she was manipulating for her own ends. I think thes are two reasons she fought so hard against falling for Sawyer - he's not her "type" and he reminds her of her past.

I could be wrong but I though that the reason Kate was upset when Kevin announced their honeymoon and told her to get her passport was because she didn't have a passport and was afraid that if she tried to leave the country she'd be apprehended.
The thing is, don't you need a birth certificate to get a marriage license? I don't know Florida laws but it used to be a typical law. So she should have had a "Monica" birth certificate.

IAlso, I have another opinion about why Kate would do something so foolish as marry a police officer, call the marshall, and actually confess to her husband rather than just abandoning him there to help buy her time on the run. One thing LOST has shown us over 2+ seasons is that Kate struggles with the different aspects of herself. I believe her close association with both a police officer and the marshall is not coincidental, but indicative of the fact that on some level, she wants to be caught. We see the impact of her conscience on her face in this episode several times. She is not strong enough (or moral enough?) to "do the right thing," but a part of her wants to be caught. I think it's analagous to the serial criminal that begins getting sloppy shortly before getting caught by authorities.

I agree. She seems to have a strong self-destructive streak. Marrying a cop and calling the marshal are both putting herself in danger of being caught, and then she "realizes" she can't hang in there and runs.

Then again, she didn't start off exactly being a cunning criminal, taking out an insurance policy on the house right before she blew it (and Wayne) up, then going into mom's diner in public to tell her about it. More self-destructiveness, or just another dumb criminal story.

You're a fugitive on the run.

You're being hounded constantly by a US Marshal.

You're accused of murdering your stepfather, and have changed names a million times.

So what do you do?

Meet, date, fall in love with, and marry a police officer. Brilliant. Was anyone else completely dumbfounded by this?

Dumbfounded? This whole show has continued to "dumbfound" me. That's why I keep coming back. This world wants quick, easy answers to every question. Lost doesn't work that way. Lost makes you think and reason. Great TV. The best I've ever seen, in my opinion.