I searched for an Ethan thread but couldn't find one, so forgive me if there is one and I missed it! Anyway, I found an interesting fact about William Mapother who plays Ethan.
Courtesy of the Associated Press: they had a photo of him arriving for the Cruise/Holmes wedding and stated that he is Tom Cruise's cousin. Now I wouldn't have guessed that one...the resemblance is non-existent.

Was that a question? Yes he is Tom Cruise's cousin. I think he kinda loks like him... In some way... :)

Really? You actually think thatr there is some resemblance? Because I sure can't find any.

haha thats awesome! i never would have guessed that they were related! thats pretty cool!

William has confirmed this several times on the Lage and they do both have the same (real) last name...:)

FYI. There is a pic of him in Dec 4 US magazine. He attended the Tom Cruise wedding and they confirmed he is Tom Cruise's cousin. Hee.

Was that a question? Yes he is Tom Cruise's cousin. I think he kinda loks like him... In some way... :)

But William is hotter!

I can't believe there hasn't been an Ethan thread here before this. The guy rocks!

Oh that's interesting, they do look like relatives

But William is hotter!

I can't believe there hasn't been an Ethan thread here before this. The guy rocks!

I wouldn't say "hotter", since he doesn't have that killer smile, but he's definitely taller, which goes a long way. :biggrin:

I can't believe there hasn't been an Ethan thread here before this. The guy rocks!

Oh they are several actually but no one has posted in them for ages, so they got buried. I could merge them but then it would be pages upon pages of: "OMG!?! I just heard that William is Tom Cruise's cousin!! Is that true?!?" - "Yes, it is true, William confirmed it."

:lol2:

@sheba: William doesn't have "that killer smile"? What are you talking about? Maybe he doesn't have THAT killer smile but he definitely has a nice smile... you just don't get to see it that often when he's playing Ethan...

@kayo: I don't believe you really searched for another Ethan thread since it took me maybe 10secs to find at least 3 or 4 other Ethan threads... but since no one has posted in them for a while, I'll let you get away with it. ;)

Wonder if he had a pizza while he was in Italy. . . .



OK, not really. But I thought a change of topic might be nice. :71:


Someone made the suggestion that they should have an Others FB, a la "48 Days," where we could see the Claire/Charlie kidnapping from Ethan's P.O.V.

I thought that was an intriguing idea. How 'bout you?

Well, STH, just seeing even a GLIMPSE of Ethan will please me forever. I'm not sure, but I think I prefer him over Pickett. I was really sad when Charlie (%"#%"¤&!!!!) gunned him down. I mustn't think about that. Because whenever I do, I start feeling hatred towards Charlie and I'm not supposed to hate Charlie, because I love him!!

Oh they are several actually but no one has posted in them
for ages, so they got buried. I could merge them but then it would be pages upon pages of: "OMG!?! I just heard that William is Tom Cruise's cousin!! Is that true?!?" - "Yes, it is true, William confirmed it."

Whew! I got scared there for a bit. And William Mapother definitely has an awesome smile -- and Tom is a midget, William is tall. And yes, hotter too. :p

Someone made the suggestion that they should have an Others FB, a la "48 Days," where we could see the Claire/Charlie kidnapping from Ethan's P.O.V.

I thought that was an intriguing idea. How 'bout you?

Oh yes, I think that's an essential scene/flashback this year. I still maintain that we don't know for SURE that Ethan strung up Charlie and I'm pretty sure Smokey killed Sceve on the beach, so it would be nice to confirm/debunk those two stains against Ethan's record.

Oh yes, I think that's an essential scene/flashback this year. I still maintain that we don't know for SURE that Ethan strung up Charlie and I'm pretty sure Smokey killed Sceve on the beach, so it would be nice to confirm/debunk those two stains against Ethan's record.

This would be interesting to see, but with Ethan dead, whose FB would cover these events and wouldn't these scenes be in danger of taking away from that person's own storyline?

There have been quite a few Ethan threads, especially in season 1. And I'm sure I posted in every single one.....Ethan fan that I am. :smile1:
Oh yes, I think that's an essential scene/flashback this year. I still maintain that we don't know for SURE that Ethan strung up Charlie and I'm pretty sure Smokey killed Sceve on the beach, so it would be nice to confirm/debunk those two stains against Ethan's record.
I couldn't agree more. I've often debated with myself if Charlie's hanging was attempted homicide.....or, ahem.....attempted suicide...:hide:

This would be interesting to see, but with Ethan dead, whose FB would cover these events and wouldn't these scenes be in danger of taking away from that person's own storyline?

Well, Charlie's could be handled like Claire's in Maternity Leave, what happened to them after they got taken by Ethan. I can't imagine they can milk the Liam/DriveShaft thing any more for Charlie (it's the reason I didn't like John's FB in Further Information, it just went over the same ground --John had/has issues with wanting to belong-- except that John was involved with pot growers--big deal!), so let's get to the one thing that's open for speculation about him: what happened to him between getting nabbed by Ethan and Jack & Kate finding him?

Sceve might be more difficult to work in, it's true. :D

There have been quite a few Ethan threads, especially in season 1. And I'm sure I posted in every single one.....Ethan fan that I am. :smile1:

I couldn't agree more. I've often debated with myself if Charlie's hanging was attempted homicide.....or, ahem.....attempted suicide...:hide:

You don't need to hide from me - Charlie's hands weren't tied as I recall, and suicide (at his failure to protect and subsequent loss of Claire) would play into his re-emergant Catholisism a treat. It's a mortal sin.

I dunno that God gives you a bye iffin you fail in the attempt. That boy'd better make ammends because I'm pretty sure offing Ethan isn't going to earn him any credit heavenbound.

Did prevent Ethan saying it wasn't him left Charlie hanging though. :rolleyes: Hmmmmm?

Sceve might be more difficult to work in, it's true. :D

Actually Paulo could have watched Sceve get killed and just kept on golfing :biggrin:

You don't need to hide from me - Charlie's hands weren't tied as I recall, and suicide (at his failure to protect and subsequent loss of Claire) would play into his re-emergant Catholisism a treat. It's a mortal sin.

I dunno that God gives you a bye iffin you fail in the attempt. That boy'd better make ammends because I'm pretty sure offing Ethan isn't going to earn him any credit heavenbound.

Did prevent Ethan saying it wasn't him left Charlie hanging though. :rolleyes: Hmmmmm?
Well I appreciate the back up. (Guess I didn't need to hide, this is the Ethan thread after all, not Charlie) :)
You're right, his hands weren't tied. Neither were his feet. Normally you'd tie someone's hands at least, if not the feet also, to make sure they can't find something to support themselves with. Charlie might have been able to get himself onto the tree to stop from choking. Plus it's odd Ethan wouldn't have hung him from a height so his neck would have been broken, the best way if you want to make sure the person is dead.
Charlie seemed a little too enthusiastic to help trap Ethan, just like when Jack and Kate wanted to go to the cockpit to get the transceiver. (So he could get his drugs)

Woah, Charlie trying to commit suicide and it getting blamed on Ethan? That's....that's....excellent. The guilt over not being able to protect Claire drives him to hang himself.

Me likes. :)

The thing that's bugged me about the whole Claire/Charlie kidnapping is Ethan's change of clothes. When you see him just before the kidnapping he is wearing a light coloured shirt, but when he beats up Jack in the jungle he is dressed all in black (or a dark colour that looks black when it's wet). Surely not an accident? :confused:

Or have I missed something? :rolleyes:

No, you've definitely picked up something there. I noticed that too and I can't come up a reason why that would be, though I'm sure there's something to it. ;)
Another thing, regarding the "Charlie suicide", is when Ethan came back after Claire had returned, when he grabbed Charlie and gave him the "I want her back...." speech, he never seemed to be surprised that Charlie was still around. There was never a "What the......you're still here? I left you swinging on that tree!"....moment. It's like he assumed Charlie was alive.

No, you've definitely picked up something there. I noticed that too and I can't come up a reason why that would be, though I'm sure there's something to it. ;)
Another thing, regarding the "Charlie suicide", is when Ethan came back after Claire had returned, when he grabbed Charlie and gave him the "I want her back...." speech, he never seemed to be surprised that Charlie was still around. There was never a "What the......you're still here? I left you swinging on that tree!"....moment. It's like he assumed Charlie was alive.

Ethan's reactino to Charlie being alive could be explained simply as Ethan was spying on Charlie and Jin for a few minutes in the jungle, so his WTF Charlie's alive moment could have happen off-camera and by the time he appeared on screen he had recoverd from his shock and set forth on his plan.

Ethan's reactino to Charlie being alive could be explained simply as Ethan was spying on Charlie and Jin for a few minutes in the jungle, so his WTF Charlie's alive moment could have happen off-camera and by the time he appeared on screen he had recoverd from his shock and set forth on his plan.
That is very possible. However, I'm going just by what we see onscreen, which is why I'm doubtful of Ethan attempting to kill Charlie, or killing Sceve.

That is very possible. However, I'm going just by what we see onscreen, which is why I'm doubtful of Ethan attempting to kill Charlie, or killing Sceve.


I wonder if anyone has asked Javi, Raggs or Gregg about Ethan and these deaths, I'd be interested to see what they'd say. ( I vaguely remember reading some questino along these lines, but I don't remember if it was answered or not.)

That is very possible. However, I'm going just by what we see onscreen, which is why I'm doubtful of Ethan attempting to kill Charlie, or killing Sceve.

Spot on. Considering that a lot of what we see is open to misinterpretation, then it's even more difficult to be sure of what we don't see. ;)

Considering that a lot of what we see is open to misinterpretation, then it's even more difficult to be sure of what we don't see. ;)
:1smiling: HA! I never thought of it that way. Good point.
I also had an epiphany (at least to me, I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere already....). After they found Sceve Part 1 dead, didn't Charlie or Kate mention something to the effect that every bone in his body was broken? I remember thinking "Wow that Ethan is strong." I'm no medical student or anything, but I get a feeling what Smokey did to Eko would probably be capable of breaking every bone in his body. So now I'm thinking.........well, you get the point. ;)

:1smiling: HA! I never thought of it that way. Good point.
I also had an epiphany (at least to me, I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere already....). After they found Sceve Part 1 dead, didn't Charlie or Kate mention something to the effect that every bone in his body was broken? I remember thinking "Wow that Ethan is strong." I'm no medical student or anything, but I get a feeling what Smokey did to Eko would probably be capable of breaking every bone in his body. So now I'm thinking.........well, you get the point. ;)

I seem to remember that his neck was broken (?)
It has crossed my mind that maybe the Ethan that beats up Jack and threatens Charlie, the version dressed in black, is some incarnation of Smokie. :confused:

I seem to remember that his neck was broken (?)
It has crossed my mind that maybe the Ethan that beats up Jack and threatens Charlie, the version dressed in black, is some incarnation of Smokie. :confused:

Oh that is a good thought, especially the Ethan that beats up Jack, maybe smokie hung Charlie as well. Though the Ethan that Charlie shot seems to be the real Ethan as he's now dead on the island.

Well as Im sure many know
Ethan will be appearing in an upcoming episode. so we will see him soon!!!

Well as Im sure many know
Ethan will be appearing in an upcoming episode. so we will see him soon!!!
:75happy:AND, I understand....
It will be in a flashback of, or involving, Juliet. Can't wait to see how these two are connected!

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Just got the book "Finding Lost" for Christmas, and I wanted to congratulate you on having your name, and the Whispers, mentioned in it!
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The thing that's bugged me about the whole Claire/Charlie kidnapping is Ethan's change of clothes. When you see him just before the kidnapping he is wearing a light coloured shirt, but when he beats up Jack in the jungle he is dressed all in black (or a dark colour that looks black when it's wet). Surely not an accident? :confused:

Or have I missed something? :rolleyes:


Maybe all of the Others have a "bad twin". And the good ones live on one part of the island and the bad ones live somewhere else. Maybe it was bad Ethan in the black shirt that kidnapped Claire and hung Charlie, not the good Ethan in the light colored shirt who was from Ben's group of good guys and who was just there to make a list.

Does anybody remember what color shirt Ethan had on when Charlie shot him?:confused:

:75happy:AND, I understand....
It will be in a flashback of, or involving, Juliet. Can't wait to see how these two are connected!

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Penyours
Just got the book "Finding Lost" for Christmas, and I wanted to congratulate you on having your name, and the Whispers, mentioned in it!
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Aw shucks, thanks Mads :redface: I just found out about that book a few days ago so I'm excited to get a look at it!

Maybe all of the Others have a "bad twin". And the good ones live on one part of the island and the bad ones live somewhere else. Maybe it was bad Ethan in the black shirt that kidnapped Claire and hung Charlie, not the good Ethan in the light colored shirt who was from Ben's group of good guys and who was just there to make a list.

Does anybody remember what color shirt Ethan had on when Charlie shot him?:confused:

He had the dark shirt on when Charlie shot him, and when he threated Charlie to give Claire back.

He had the dark shirt on when Charlie shot him, and when he threated Charlie to give Claire back.

Wooohooo.... maybe that means good Ethan is still alive!!! That'd be awesome!!!

:ethan:

Wooohooo.... maybe that means good Ethan is still alive!!! That'd be awesome!!!

:ethan:

Maybe all of the Others have clones. Now the question would be, who are the real people, the good ones or the bad one. Or maybe there are a set of each good and bad clones on the island and the real people are back living in the real world. :undecide:

Did someone already say that Ethan with the black shirt could be smokey? Can't remember at the moment.

Wooohooo.... maybe that means good Ethan is still alive!!! That'd be awesome!!! Or: Ethan, like Ben, has a closet full of shirts that he swtiches all the time. I have about 15 short-sleeve shirts with button down collars, all in different colors, some with stripes. I wear them all the time, wear different ones all the time.Maybe all of the Others have clonesDamon Lindelof at ComiCon last year: "You will never hear the word "clone" on this show". Why on earth do people still play the clone card? I just don't get it.

Oh wait! They won't be called clones! They'll be called Exact DNA Replications! That's it! Woo hoo! Exact DNA Replications!

:rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm in a snarky mood today. :)

Or: Ethan, like Ben, has a closet full of shirts that he swtiches all the time. I have about 15 short-sleeve shirts with button down collars, all in different colors, some with stripes. I wear them all the time, wear different ones all the time.Damon Lindelof at ComiCon last year: "You will never hear the word "clone" on this show". Why on earth do people still play the clone card? I just don't get it.

Oh wait! They won't be called clones! They'll be called Exact DNA Replications! That's it! Woo hoo! Exact DNA Replications!

:rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm in a snarky mood today. :)

Your post made me lol! :biggrin: I was pretty full of it when brought up the whole twins/clones thing anyways. It's fun to make silly predictions.;)

I was going to mention the clone thing. I think there was only one Ethan and he, alas, is dead. I imagine he had on that nice light shirt while with the Losties, then he gets Claire back to their bunker and decides "I need to find a nice Jack beatin' shirt. Ah, this black one will do nicely."
As for him being smokey, it's possible, but Smokey seems to appear to one person at a time (as a form other than his true smokiness) and in a form that's personal to that person. Jack's father, Eko's brother, maybe Leonard, etc....

I need to find a nice Jack beatin' shirt. Ah, this black one will do nicely Hahahahaha. That was a great scene and William was smokin' HOT in that wet shirt. Woof!

People don't die on LOST, they just get relegated to dream sequences and flashbacks! :D

Hahahahaha. That was a great scene and William was smokin' HOT in that wet shirt. Woof!
I could see where you would like that scene for many reasons. ;) I can appreciate it for Jack getting knocked down a few pegs because he 'didn't know how to let go.' And of course, because the peg-knocking-down was performed by Ethan.

People don't die on LOST, they just get relegated to dream sequences and flashbacks! :D
Ethan in a flashback or dream is better than no Ethan at all. And you're about 95% right. The only one we haven't seen like that is Steve. Errrrr, Scott. Well.....you know.

People don't die on LOST, they just get relegated to dream sequences and flashbacks! :D

They are "rescued from the island" as I like to call it. ;)

@ Mads13: Steve lives on in the body of Scott... hence the confusion. :71:

Tee hee, Sceve: The Underground Star of LOST. :)And of course, because the peg-knocking-down was performed by EthanYes, let's never forget how important that was in terms of that scene. :)

Ethan in a flashback or dream is better than no Ethan at all. And you're about 95% right. The only one we haven't seen like that is Steve. Errrrr, Scott. Well.....you know.

I'm really hoping that we'll see more of him in the Ben and Juliet f/bs. I *so* want to know more about him.


That whole shirt change thing drives me crazy everytime I watch it.
I just have to know!!!! :hissy:





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I watched 'Solitary' again the other day...

Have you guys noticed that Ethan is present in the golfing scene? When Kate says to Sawyer "I'll take that action" you can see Ethan standing right behind her! Hes smiling along with the Losties. It puts a creepy spin on one of my favourite happy moments!

I'd love to see an Ethan centric FB one day - I'd like to see at what point he arrived at the crash site, how he blended in with the Losties, his hunting trips with Locke and of course his abduction of Charlie and Claire. That would make an awesome FB!

Have you guys noticed that Ethan is present in the golfing scene? When Kate says to Sawyer "I'll take that action" you can see Ethan standing right behind her! Hes smiling along with the Losties. It puts a creepy spin on one of my favourite happy moments!

Yes, I noticed. :biggrin:

Well, d'uh... being a SOSer scanning the background for familiar faces comes natural to me. :lol2: And the Sceve are both at the golfing scene, too...

And the Sceve are both at the golfing scene, too...
I love how everyone's come to calling Scott and Steve, not just Sceve, but now The Sceve. Anyone remember the avi someone had in season 1....Sceve the two-headed monster? Reminds me of that. :laugh:


I'd love to see an Ethan centric FB one day - I'd like to see at what point he arrived at the crash site, how he blended in with the Losties, his hunting trips with Locke and of course his abduction of Charlie and Claire. That would make an awesome FB!
I would love that too. But alas, poor Ethan is dead and I don't think we'll see one that is specifically Ethan. But there may be more like Maternity Leave where he's featured a bit more.
The first episode of Lost's return this month is a Juliet flashback, and Ethan is supposed to appear in it. :ohmy:

I would love that too. But alas, poor Ethan is dead and I don't think we'll see one that is specifically Ethan. But there may be more like Maternity Leave where he's featured a bit more.
The first episode of Lost's return this month is a Juliet flashback, and Ethan is supposed to appear in it. :ohmy:

I'm hoping that we will see more of him at some point. He's a great character, but at the moment he's my least favourite Other, and I don't feel that much affection for him. I guess at the moment he's seen as evil and not much else. I hope that when we learn more about him we'll discover that he's simply misunderstood. :rolleyes:

I don't see Ethan as entirely evil, he showed a really soft side in the way he handled Claire, albeit it did seem rather evil in the big picutre.

Ahhh, yes. I have to agree with Penyours. In season 1 we were shown Ethan as being evil. The season 2 came and we saw a kinder side. Then season 3, and we saw a "Whatever you say, boss." follower side. He's just like Tom, Pickett, Goodwin, etc...et al. Yes men.

Yes I actually found ethan in s3 to be very jarring, in S1 he was this all powerful super strong evil other, in season 2 he seemed to have quite a bit of control in staff and his bedside manner was apparent, but in season 3 he was exactlywhat you said Mads a yes man, it was strange seeing him like that.

Ahhh, yes. I have to agree with Penyours. In season 1 we were shown Ethan as being evil. The season 2 came and we saw a kinder side. Then season 3, and we saw a "Whatever you say, boss." follower side. He's just like Tom, Pickett, Goodwin, etc...et al. Yes men.

One thing that really trips me out is that Ethan is often so...pleasant. Not just to Claire but to all the Lostees when he was still undercover. When he's talking to Hurley about the census he seems so darn agreeable. But this the same guy who (in a deadly serious manner) promises to kill every last person in the camp! Which is real and which is fake? The pleasant Ethan or the menacing terrorising evil Ethan? Is he just a bit of a Jekle and Hyde character?

I don't believe Ethan was necessarily being 'kind' to Claire. All the time when he was being pleasant to her and showering her with gifts, he was also drugging her. Ethan had to keep Claire calm and docile so the baby came safely. After he had got the baby he might have killed Claire - in fact according to Alex that was exactly what Ethan was going to do.
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I would love that too. But alas, poor Ethan is dead and I don't think we'll see one that is specifically Ethan.

Maybe we can find out more about Ethans influtration mission through other peoples 'on island' FBs?? Ethan may not be the only spy amoung the Lostees...

I think Ethan certainly had an accomplice or accomplices who helped him with the Claire and Charlie abduction. I've always wonder what Ethan did straight after Charlie told him to 'Get Jack!' He left C&C alone on the path for quite a long time. My guess is that instead of running to get Jack, Ethan ran to get reinforcements. Whoever helped Ethan kidnap C&C they must have either been positioned near to the Lostees camp or positioned within the Lostees camp. All could be revealled through the POV of Ethans accomplice...and we'd get to see Ethan again!

One thing that really trips me out is that Ethan is often so...pleasant. Not just to Claire but to all the Lostees when he was still undercover. When he's talking to Hurley about the census he seems so darn agreeable. But this the same guy who (in a deadly serious manner) promises to kill every last person in the camp! Which is real and which is fake? The pleasant Ethan or the menacing terrorising evil Ethan? Is he just a bit of a Jekle and Hyde character?

Funny but doesn't this remind you of another one of the Others? Kind but still threatening? Actually, now that I think about it... it reminds me on more than just 1 other Other...

Funny but doesn't this remind you of another one of the Others? Kind but still threatening? Actually, now that I think about it... it reminds me on more than just 1 other Other...
Yep, they all seem to be like that. They're sort of threatening, especially when it comes to their "cause" (whatever that might be). But most of the time they seem to be more like average Joes.

Yep, they all seem to be like that. They're sort of threatening, especially when it comes to their "cause" (whatever that might be). But most of the time they seem to be more like average Joes.

Well that's the whole thing, isn't it? I think once we find out what their cause is then we'll find out that they *are* average Joes, and no better or worse than the Losties. When that happens people will feel a lot more sympathy for them.

I love your avi Mads ... Ethan needs all the love he can get right now! :rolleyes:

Well that's the whole thing, isn't it? I think once we find out what their cause is then we'll find out that they *are* average Joes, and no better or worse than the Losties. When that happens people will feel a lot more sympathy for them.

The Losties are no angels but to be fair - they have never threatened to murder 45 people just to get their hands on a pregnant girl. There was nothing 'average Joe' about that. Maybe Ethan was once an average Joe and even a decent human being but for some reason he ended up becoming a ruthless merciless terrorist. I'd like to know why.

Well that's the whole thing, isn't it? I think once we find out what their cause is then we'll find out that they *are* average Joes, and no better or worse than the Losties. When that happens people will feel a lot more sympathy for them.

I love your avi Mads ... Ethan needs all the love he can get right now! :rolleyes:
Lol...thanks Leyosura. I'll give him all the love I.....uhhhh, maybe not like that....but you know.
But yeah, I completely agree. I think in the end, the Others will be "ordinary people stuck in extraordinary circumstances" type of people. Pretty much like our Losties.
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The Losties are no angels but to be fair - they have never threatened to murder 45 people just to get their hands on a pregnant girl. There was nothing 'average Joe' about that. Maybe Ethan was once an average Joe and even a decent human being but for some reason he ended up becoming a ruthless merciless terrorist. I'd like to know why.
Oh no, of course not. I don't think anyone on this island is an angel, or a good guy. But, we saw Ethan threaten to kill. We saw Charlie actually kill him. So far from what we've seen, the Losties have done more actual harm than the Others. They've killed, beat, invaded, more so than the Others have. But I think that's the point. We're shown somewhat of a "black and white" situation, only to have it all turn grey. I'm having my views challenged, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

we saw Ethan threaten to kill.

It didn't sound like Ethan was bluffing though, did it? (to Charlie OR to Jack). Death threats and terrorism are serious stuff. If Ethan made a threat to kill 45 people in the real world I imagine the police might shoot to kill as well. In the end Ethan was killed by a man he had attempted to murder (I don't buy the theories that Ethan didn't hang Charlie) and then threatened to kill again along with 44 others. He gave the Lostees a reason and even need to kill him. Ethan made them believe he could kill them all. It was Ethans own threats and terrorism that led to his death.

It didn't sound like Ethan was bluffing though, did it? (to Charlie OR to Jack). Death threats and terrorism are serious stuff. If Ethan made a threat to kill 45 people in the real world I imagine the police might shoot to kill as well. In the end Ethan was killed by a man he had attempted to murder (I don't buy the theories that Ethan didn't hang Charlie) and then threatened to kill again along with 44 others. He gave the Lostees a reason and even need to kill him. Ethan made them believe he could kill them all. It was Ethans own threats and terrorism that led to his death.

Although he did threaten that was all he did, i'm not sure most would have taken him serious about killing all 45 people, most would have found that a little hard to believe. Even if Ethan did attempt to kill Charlie. And i'm not entirely sure that Jack and the rest of the Lostees would have killed Ethan, if Charlie hadn't shot him. They might have questioned him and kept him locked up somehow!

But even though Ethan is probably evil and not coming back:frown: he is still very awesome!

BTW: sorry to just jump in like that

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Ethan
Rocks!!

I don't see Ethan as entirely evil, he showed a really soft side in the way he handled Claire, albeit it did seem rather evil in the big picutre.

ya i really actually liked him when claire was remembering everything...i dont think all the others are necisarily bad. They just seem bad because theyr alll pretty CREEPY!

Death threats and terrorism are serious stuff. If Ethan made a threat to kill 45 people in the real world I imagine the police might shoot to kill as well.

I wonder if Ethan thought he was the police. After all, we now know that the last time the Others (other than Alex) heard Claire, she was screaming for Ethan to find her. Considering that Ethan knew she was on tranquillizers, he must have wondered what had managed to scare her so bad. If Ethan thought the other Losties were a threat to Claire (or at least to her baby), he would probably feel justified in threatening people that were endangering a pregnant woman. If Ethan saw Claire at all, she was acting oddly--since he didn't know Danielle's rifle butt had left her with amnesia--which would support any idea that the Losties were what Claire was scared of.

I don't know what to make of the Others. I would like to think Alex's group is better, since she let Claire go, but Alex was no more moral that Ethan when it came to manipulating and drugging Claire into doing what Alex wanted. Was Ethan kind to Claire as if she were a person, or a lab rat? Is there a connection between Ethan's faction among the Others and the couple in LA who were Psychic Approved to buy Claire's baby? Would the Others be "safe" to raise the baby as per psychic's warning if there were? I'm hoping upcoming episodes will give us some new perspective on all our Other issues.

Although he did threaten that was all he did, i'm not sure most would have taken him serious about killing all 45 people, most would have found that a little hard to believe. Even if Ethan did attempt to kill Charlie. And i'm not entirely sure that Jack and the rest of the Lostees would have killed Ethan, if Charlie hadn't shot him. They might have questioned him and kept him locked up somehow!

Okay...several points.

1) If Ethan was handing me death threats after beating me to a blood pulp or whilst holding me off the ground by my neck then YES I would have taken him seriously. He presented himself as very violent and overpowering.

2) Questioned him? Try tortured him. I'm pretty sure Jack, Sayid, etc were not wanting to keep Ethan alive for humane reasons.

3) I disagree about Jack and co. not killing Ethan. They didn't have the hatch then so there was no option of locking him up. There would be too much risk of him escaping. I think after torturing him Sayid or Sawyer would have killed Ethan anyway.

But I do agree Ethan was an awesome character! :biggrin:

Personally I don't think Ethan was evil - I think Ethan was very desperate for some reason. I think he was fighting for some cause we don't know about yet (except that he needed Claire's baby for it). Ethan could be like Micheal - driven into desperate acts as part of this cause. Hanging Charlie was one such act of desperation. In Ethans defence, I think theres a chance that if Jack had stopped following him he might not have hurt Charlie. Maybe Ethan would have just kept Charlie prisoner along with Claire until the baby was born and then let both of them go unharmed. We will never know now...but maybe Jacks stubborness to be the hero contributed to Charlie being hung and if he had just followed Ethans orders nobody would have been hurt (?).

Violent acts of desperation in the service of a good cause would not condone Ethans actions anymore than it condones Michaels actions, but it would make Ethan more sympathetic and understandable. I felt a lot of pity for Michael myself.

It didn't sound like Ethan was bluffing though, did it?.

Ben's bluffed a million times on the show and the Losties have barley noticed, the others are all about deception to gain the upperhand, we can't say for sure that Ethan isn't doing the same thing.

I wonder if Ethan thought he was the police.

Exactly. They're the good guys, remember?
As long as the Others believe that they can justify their actions.

Likewise, the Losties think that they (the Losties) are the good guys, and they believe that they can justify their actions.

I'm convinced that we'll discover eventually that both groups are very similar in their basic motivation - survival - and they all believe that they are just doing what they need to in order to survive.





Obviously, though, the Others are *way* sexier! ;)

Yes I actually found ethan in s3 to be very jarring, in S1 he was this all powerful super strong evil otherPenyours, or anyone else, could you explain where this idea that Ethan is "all powerful" or "super strong" etc. came from? I *never* got that impression. Is it just because he kicked the living snot out of Jack? Is that it? Because, seriously, Jack ain't all that. That he allegedly strung up Charlie all by himself? What? It's driving me slightly crazy in this endless hiatus.... :)in season 2 he seemed to have quite a bit of control in staff and his bedside manner was apparent, but in season 3 he was exactly what you said Mads, a yes man, it was strange seeing him like thatThat was so great to see him doing the plumbing for Juliet, then instantly turning in to Ben's lackey. The ol' "They're not what they seem" thing. Ethan had to keep Claire calm and docile so the baby came safely. After he had got the baby he might have killed Claire - in fact according to Alex that was exactly what Ethan was going to doIf you (by "you" I mean everyone :)) have the ability, watch the Ethan/Claire scenes in Maternity Leave again, especially the one outdoors on the log. Ethan had a job to do and yes, he was drugging her with the icky water, but he was falling in love with Claire! What would that ship be called anyways? Clethan? Etaire? :) Anywho, Ethan acts like a 15-year old who's met his first love, all giddy and stammering.

As for Alex, like mother, like daughter, I don't trust her as far as her slingshot reaches. We only have her word that they were going to kill Claire, there's no evidence otherwise to prove that. They probably would have done their usual thing: drug the person and dump them on the edge of the Losties camp to be found. Alex has her own agenda and it might not always line up with the Losties.Well that's the whole thing, isn't it? I think once we find out what their cause is then we'll find out that they *are* average Joes, and no better or worse than the Losties. When that happens people will feel a lot more sympathy for themAnd oh how I'll cackle like a deranged hyena on speed when that happens. I sooooo look forward to the first "Well, Ben, he's not so bad after all" thread. :)

Seriously though, it's clear how the writers have given us mirror images of the Losties and The Others. Ben taunting Jack and John about leadership, Jack doing the same to Juliet is just one example. I'm convinced the two camps will unite against a common foe at the end of the season, I don't have a doubt about that at all.It was Ethans own threats and terrorism that led to his deathYes, that's very true. Ben's instructions were very clear --DON'T GET INVOLVED-- but once he figured out that they had the manifest, he fell apart mentally, just lost his cool. More please! Hint: in Charlie's next FB.I'm convinced that we'll discover eventually that both groups are very similar in their basic motivation - survival - and they all believe that they are just doing what they need to in order to surviveYes, totally agree with that, and since Ben and The Others have been there much longer, I tend to believe that they have a better idea of what's going on than the Losties do. We'll find out soon enough, too, I suspect.

Tee hee The Sceve tee hee.

Penyours, or anyone else, could you explain where this idea that Ethan is "all powerful" or "super strong" etc. came from? I *never* got that impression. Is it just because he kicked the living snot out of Jack? Is that it? Because, seriously, Jack ain't all that. That he allegedly strung up Charlie all by himself? What? It's driving me slightly crazy in this endless hiatus.... :)

Lol, yeah that's what a lot of people were saying in S1, I wasn't on the boards at the time and when I watched S1 it didn't cross my mind either, but many people were saying it here. But when you think about it, Ethan beat up a doctor that just slid down a slippery hill, I mean that in itself shows how strong he is. And on top of that, he picked up a hobbit with his bare hands, and with one arm, how many people could do that! :D


The one instance where he appears stronger than normal to me, is when he abducts Claire and Charlie, I always wondered how he could take out two people and then drag them quickly across the island, if he had help how did he contact the others so quickly?

Penyours, or anyone else, could you explain where this idea that Ethan is "all powerful" or "super strong" etc. came from? I *never* got that impression. Is it just because he kicked the living snot out of Jack? Is that it? Because, seriously, Jack ain't all that.

I think Ethan and Jack were equals in physical strength. Ethan had the advantage in the first fight because Jack had just tumbled down a rocky slope and Jack had the advantage in the second fight because he took Ethan by surprise. I did think Ethan effortlessly lifting Charlie off the ground by his neck without breaking sweat was a bit superhumanish. Charlie may be a littleish guy but Ethan must have arms of solid iron if he can pick him up without straining.

The one instance where he appears stronger than normal to me, is when he abducts Claire and Charlie, I always wondered how he could take out two people and then drag them quickly across the island, if he had help how did he contact the others so quickly?

As for the C&C kidnap and the "how can one man drag off two people?" question, I think there are several possible answers. One easy answer might be that Ethan had a weapon and was forcing C&C to go with him by threatening them with this weapon. If Ethan was unarmed he could've used his physical strength as a weapon - it might've been two against one but Claire in her condition could not have fought back and Charlie was no match for Ethan physically.

I actually had one idea that Ethan taking both Claire and Charlie might have been an example of Sayids "take two hostages, one to make the other co-operate" plan. Ethan could have overpowered Charlie in the 'struggle' that Locke noted and then told Claire he would hurt or kill Charlie unless she co-operated and followed him. I certainly don't think that there was much dragging of Claire in the kidnap - Ethan would've had to have been very gentle with a heavily pregnant Claire or else he might have harmed the baby. No way would Ethan or the Others risk that.

But most likely Ethan had help with the abduction.

I sooooo look forward to the first "Well, Ben, he's not so bad after all" thread.


You mean there isn't one already? :biggrin:

Penyours, or anyone else, could you explain where this idea that Ethan is "all powerful" or "super strong" etc. came from? I *never* got that impression. Is it just because he kicked the living snot out of Jack? Is that it? Because, seriously, Jack ain't all that. That he allegedly strung up Charlie all by himself? What? It's driving me slightly crazy in this endless hiatus.... :)That was so great to see him doing the plumbing for Juliet, then instantly turning in to Ben's lackey. The ol' "They're not what they seem" thing.
To me, "all powerful" or "superhuman" or the like is a bit much. I never thought of it that way. It's just that Ethan seemed to be "master of his domain." He could come and go as he pleased, move about with complete stealth, never be seen or noticed, menacing, always in control. That just gave him an aura of power.
Then the best juxtaposition...seeing him as a lowly plumber. Sort of made to seem a bit incompetent at that as well. :rolleyes:

If you (by "you" I mean everyone :)) have the ability, watch the Ethan/Claire scenes in Maternity Leave again, especially the one outdoors on the log. Ethan had a job to do and yes, he was drugging her with the icky water, but he was falling in love with Claire! What would that ship be called anyways? Clethan? Etaire? :) Anywho, Ethan acts like a 15-year old who's met his first love, all giddy and stammering.
There actually already is a ship for that, probably buried in page 423 of the shippers threads, called....Eclaire.

There actually already is a ship for that, probably buried in page 427 of the shippers threads, called....Eclaire.


Aahhh that's a cute name, too bad Ethan isn't around anymore, it would have been interesting to see him and Charlie interact more, could imagine Charlie's reaction if Claire ever got together with him :eek2:

Aahhh that's a cute name, too bad Ethan isn't around anymore, it would have been interesting to see him and Charlie interact more, could imagine Charlie's reaction if Claire ever got together with him :eek2:
That would have been fun. Especially if Claire had stuck around, then when Charlie got all "baby crazy" on her, she tells him she's leaving. He'd ask "Where? To the caves? Down in the hatch?" And she'd respond "No. To Ethan." Man, would Charlie be PO'd, yelling and running around in a frenzy. :laughing:

That would have been fun. Especially if Claire had stuck around, then when Charlie got all "baby crazy" on her, she tells him she's leaving. He'd ask "Where? To the caves? Down in the hatch?" And she'd respond "No. To Ethan." Man, would Charlie be PO'd, yelling and running around in a frenzy. :laughing:


I can just picture Charlie's reaction "You're choosing a plumber? over me? But I'm a bloody Rock God!" :D

I can just picture Charlie's reaction "You're choosing a plumber? over me? But I'm a bloody Rock God!"

Note to Damon and Carlton: Please sign Penyours up for the writing staff. :) :D

ETA: I, of course, went searching for the Eclaire ship. I don't think the Fuselage has one, I think it was from the LOST-Forums site. However, the search showed some threads that William "Total Freaking Hottie" Mapother posted in and here's one that had me LOLing:05-17-2006
Re: Is it over for good?
dupin,

i can't say for sure whether ethan will be back. i suspect that if they want me back, they'll find a way..
thanks for the compliments.
i saw a great eclaire video. frankly, with charlie off the deep end, ethan's looking like the stable choice at this point.Hahahahaha.

Viva Eclaire! :)

Note to Damon and Carlton: Please sign Penyours up for the writing staff. :) :D

Hey you're in LA, just head over to their offices and pull some strings for me :biggrin:

ETA: I, of course, went searching for the Eclaire ship. I don't think the Fuselage has one, I think it was from the LOST-Forums site. However, the search showed some threads that William "Total Freaking Hottie" Mapother posted in and here's one that had me LOLing:Hahahahaha.

Viva Eclaire! :)

That's hilarious that William wrote that :D

It's interesting Ethan is a doctor

and a plumber.

It's interesting Ethan is a doctor and a plumber.

No need to spoiler font that, annie (btw, could you please come by the BOOB thread an answer my question? You just can't write such a cryptic post and then never come back!! :eek2: :71:)

And didn't we know since Maternal Leave that Ethan is a doctor? For a plumber he was pretty good at giving Claire those injections. :71:

I bust out laughing when he said with his funny grin.

" Hello."

Passing subtley by Juliet in the hallway.

I never liked him before that moment and I instantly loved him after last night!

ROFLMAO.

okay I'm a freak.:74happy::biglaugh:

Well, it kinda confirmed my theory that there is just something *wrong* with the guy.

I mean *seriously* wrong.

The guy is evil.


:frown:

Uh huh.

*serious look*

Nah.

:74happy::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

Hey hey. We'll have none of that Ethan bashing here, not in this house.
:nono:

Just kidding of course. :1smiling:

But, I'm wondering....to bounce a thought off you fellow Ethan lovers....
We know he's a doctor. What if he was "recruited" to go to the island. He gets to perform some doctorly duties, then, like everyone else, realizes he's stuck there. Now he's asked to do some other menial tasks, like fix Juliet's plumbing. (Those of you thinking dirty thoughts, STOP. STOP right now) What if, based on whatever they were really going to do to Claire, he was sort of put in charge of it. Maybe he was told if he succeeded in whatever they were doing he would be able to "go home." To me that would explain the sudden appearance of "evil" Ethan. Wouldn't you threaten to kill everyone if you could finally get off that damned island once and for all?

Wouldn't you threaten to kill everyone if you could finally get off that damned island once and for all?

Errrr...NO!

Mass murdering a bunch of innocent (ish) plane crash survivors just so you can return to a more comfortable home life? I don't think that is justified. I loved seeing Ethan again though. He chills me, creeps me out...but in a good way.

Hope we see more of him in S3 flashbacks.

To me that would explain the sudden appearance of "evil" EthanThat makes perfect sense. I used to think that The Others were the leftover DHARMA people, that they'd been there since the mid-70's, but that's clearly not the case; it seems as if there's turnover in the personnel fairly often.

Great to see William again, he can do "creepy" almost as well as Michael Emerson! :)

Hey hey. We'll have none of that Ethan bashing here, not in this house.
:nono:

Just kidding of course. :1smiling:

But, I'm wondering....to bounce a thought off you fellow Ethan lovers....
We know he's a doctor. What if he was "recruited" to go to the island. He gets to perform some doctorly duties, then, like everyone else, realizes he's stuck there. Now he's asked to do some other menial tasks, like fix Juliet's plumbing. (Those of you thinking dirty thoughts, STOP. STOP right now) What if, based on whatever they were really going to do to Claire, he was sort of put in charge of it. Maybe he was told if he succeeded in whatever they were doing he would be able to "go home." To me that would explain the sudden appearance of "evil" Ethan. Wouldn't you threaten to kill everyone if you could finally get off that damned island once and for all?

That is quite possible, considering what Juliet just did with the promise of being sent home.

Hey hey. We'll have none of that Ethan bashing here, not in this house.
:nono:

Just kidding of course. :1smiling:

But, I'm wondering....to bounce a thought off you fellow Ethan lovers....
We know he's a doctor. What if he was "recruited" to go to the island. He gets to perform some doctorly duties, then, like everyone else, realizes he's stuck there. Now he's asked to do some other menial tasks, like fix Juliet's plumbing. (Those of you thinking dirty thoughts, STOP. STOP right now) What if, based on whatever they were really going to do to Claire, he was sort of put in charge of it. Maybe he was told if he succeeded in whatever they were doing he would be able to "go home." To me that would explain the sudden appearance of "evil" Ethan. Wouldn't you threaten to kill everyone if you could finally get off that damned island once and for all?


That may turn out to be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Ethan was one of the scariest characters on Lost. Not even Ben could beat the scene when Claire was doing bait-duty and he creeped out from the woods and the rain was pouring... he was like the island-monster at that moment! :21: And I bet poor Steve Scott would agree with me as well.

Seeing him again just made me think that he is creepy without saying a word! :eek2:

But in spite of all that, I welcomed him in the show again, I love a good chill :biggrin:

And I bet poor Steve Scott would agree with me as well.

Scott because he's still mourning Steve's death? After seeing Eko die, I'm pretty sure that Steve wasn't killed by Ethan.

Scott because he's still mourning Steve's death? After seeing Eko die, I'm pretty sure that Steve wasn't killed by Ethan.

Smokey making a silent kill? I'm not sure...

But somebody still hung Charlie by the neck... even though I agree that it wasn't Ethan alone. More like 2-3 people. But nonetheless.

I loved Ben's line while he was still in the OR:JACK: I'd be more impressed with you people if you had a good surgeon.
BEN: We had an excellent surgeon, Jack. His name was EthanZing! A tie-in to Tom's "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" remark to Jack. Of course, I wonder if Ben knows about the "Ethan goes slightly nuts and threatens the Losties" thing? :eek2:

Hopefully we'll see Ethan/William again this season, I love his character, whether William is wearing tight, wet shirts or not. :)

Ha ha! :biggrin: I wish I had kept track of how many times Jack's got a good smack down from Ethan or something having to do with him. Or maybe just the Others in general. He just can't seem to win with them. I could just imagine after Ben said those lines, a Homer "D'oh!" coming from Jack. ;)

It was great to get little more on the Ethan story.
Doctor, plumber, psychopath ... is there no end to this guy's talents? :biggrin:

It doesn't answer all the questions, but at least it finally stops us all speculating on why the Others haven't got a proper doctor.



I wonder if we'll ever find out what Goodwin's role was? He claimed he was ex-peace corps, but who knows how much of that was true?

And, JB, you can have more Ethan as long as I can have more Goodwin! :drool:

It was great to get little more on the Ethan story.
Doctor, plumber, psychopath ... is there no end to this guy's talents? :biggrin:

LOL, is't it true? I don't know about his doctoring skills, but he wasn't that good of a plumber :p I am ready to admit though that he excelled at being a psychopath :biglaugh:

We kind of knew he was a doctor. He was the one checking up Claire, and he did it professionally.

I would welcome to see him some more, he freaks me out in a delightful way :biggrin:. And I think we will see him in Fbs, they didn't just throw him in Juliet's FB for 2 lines and a smile just to forget all about him later...

I wish I had kept track of how many times Jack's got a good smack down from Ethan or something having to do with him. Or maybe just the Others in general. He just can't seem to win with them. I could just imagine after Ben said those lines, a Homer "D'oh!" coming from JackHahahaha. What was great for me in this eppie was how when Ben said "She's one of us" about Juliet, Jack didn't flinch, he seemed more than willing to help Ben stay alive. He thought he was playing them, of course, but I loved the look of comprehension when Jack realized that Home = Otherville, not doctorin' in Los Angeles. And he sure seemed to silence Isabel with his "That's what they say. That's not what they mean" riposte. Ha! Welcome to The Others, Jack. He is, after all, A Leader, A Great Man.And, JB, you can have more Ethan as long as I can have more GoodwinDeal! *sigh* Poor Goodwin.LOL, is't it true? I don't know about his doctoring skills, but he wasn't that good of a plumber I am ready to admit though that he excelled at being a psychopathHey, a man's got to have *something* to excel at, right? :)

LOL, is't it true? I don't know about his doctoring skills, but he wasn't that good of a plumber :p

Hey, it was a work in progress!
I'm sure he would have fixed it too if it hadn't been for the minor inconvenience of that aircraft crashing and interrupting his work.

Still, I'm sure Jack will prove more than adequate in the future when it comes to looking after Juliet's plumbing. ;)

I would welcome to see him some more, he freaks me out in a delightful way :biggrin:. And I think we will see him in Fbs, they didn't just throw him in Juliet's FB for 2 lines and a smile just to forget all about him later...

Ooooh, yes - Ethan was awesome!
He was just so *wrong*. He had a sort of spawn-of-satan aura about him.
He well and truly freaked me out! :hide:

.....

Good news for Ethan/William fans! He's baaaaaaaack. He'll be in 0314, Expose, which deals with the rest of the crash survivors while the Cool Kids Club (Jack, Kate, James, John etc.) were off doing whatever it was they were doing in the early days after the crash. Here's a cool promo shot *swoon* http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-88929.html

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Good news for Ethan/William fans! He's baaaaaaaack. He'll be in 0314, Expose, which deals with the rest of the crash survivors while the Cool Kids Club (Jack, Kate, James, John etc.) were off doing whatever it was they were doing in the early days after the crash. Here's a cool promo shot *swoon* http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-88929.html
Hey hey...isn't that Nickalo with him?
Hmmmm.....
Ha.....his presence still lingers. Guess you can't truly kill Ethan. :twisted:

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SQUEEE!!!! ETHAN!!!! :whitey:

:blushing: Sorry. I was just excited, things weren't computing properly in my head. Must spoiler font, must spoiler font....
Now the thing I was wondering about...does anyone know which epi that's supposed to be for?

Mads, it's episode 14, Expose, which focuses on the secondary characters during the crash and right after; that's why Ethan is there.

I'm still confused on how Ethan seems to mysteriously transform in personality between season 1 and 2. Chronologically, of course, it would be the opposite. My opinion is that he somehow became completely obsessed with Claire and broke from Others protocol to get her back and murder so brutally.

I don't think he murdered anyone. Poor Ethan, he was just misunderstood. :down:

Majandra, thank goodness someone else thinks that too! The evidence is entirely circumstantial. I'm really hoping that we see this from another perspective soon.

I don't think he murdered anyone. Poor Ethan, he was just misunderstood. :down:
I couldn't have said it better myself ;)
I think we were lead to believe he killed Scott. Errrr......Steve. Errr.......whatever. Only because at that time TPTB wanted us to believe the Others to be "bad."

Exactly.
But everything they have shown us since then... sweet, caring Ethan AND Eko's death by Smokey tells us that Ethan didn't kill anyone. I think Steve (!!!) was killed by Smokey. His injuries were just WAY too similar to Eko's killing.

Exactly.
I think Steve (!!!) was killed by Smokey. His injuries were just WAY too similar to Eko's killing.

Wasn't it Scott?! :rolleyes:

No. Scott is played by Dustin Watchman who was last scene in the Tricia Tanaka eppy, greeting Kate and Sawyer when they returned from the Others'.

Steve (and the body) were played by Christian Bowman.

I think Steve (!!!) was killed by Smokey. His injuries were just WAY too similar to Eko's killing.
I'm so glad you picked up on that. Didn't Kate, or maybe someone else, say every bone in his (Steve's) body was broken? I guess at the time we were sort of lead to believe Ethan was super-human in some way. But after watching Eko's demise, I just knew that's how Steve got it. Which put Ethan in the clear.
And again, for those who point out the Charlie-hanging situation........I'm not sure Ethan was part of that. In fact, I'm not sure Charlie had any help at all.....:ohmy:

But wasn't Steve found on the Beach? I didn't think Smokey had ventured onto the beach, i thougt it stayed in the jungle??

Yes, Kate said it. And I think later on, it was mentioned again that there was no bone in his body left that was not broken. (poor Steve :sob:)

Mhmm... so you're saying Charlie maybe hung himself? Maybe that was his real reason why he killed Ethan? He was afraid Ethan might tell the truth.

Mhmmm... *ponders*

Yeah it makes sense, I guess...

Mhmm... so you're saying Charlie maybe hung himself? Maybe that was his real reason why he killed Ethan? He was afraid Ethan might tell the truth.

Mhmmm... *ponders*

Yeah it makes sense, I guess...
Yes yes! Now you're thinking like me. Plus, neither his hands or feet were bound. Odd thing not to do if you hang someone, since you leave open the possibility, however remote, that they could save themselves. Now that we're in season 3, that doesn't seem a very "Otherly" thing to do. It seems if they want you dead, they just kill you. Bang, you're dead. I can't imagine them going through something as elaborate as hanging someone.

The question just is, why would he hang himself???

Of course the same thing goes for Ethan. Why would Ethan hang the hobbit Charlie? And one thing is still confusing me. After Jack had rescued Charlie and they were back in camp, Charlie says:


CHARLIE: That's all they wanted.
JACK: They?
CHARLIE: All they wanted was Claire.


They... so who of the others did he see?

Why would he do it? Hmmm...good question, haven't completely figured it out myself. The best explanation I've heard elsewhere so far, is that he was still coming down from his drug use, and so already wasn't in the right frame of mind. Combined with the fact the last thing his girlfriend (forgot her name) yelled at him before slamming the door was "You'll never take care of anyone." Maybe he thought this was his chance, to take of someone and change his life. Then he failed Claire by not protecting her, and even failed himself. Maybe he thought "That's it. I'm done with it all."
Of course, I can't figure how he'd be able to make a noose like that, that strong, in that short of time.:confused:

As for the other Other.....not sure either. Maybe Tom....but it's hard to picture that. I'm thinking maybe Pickett.