Up until now, there hasn't been a "name" actor in any of the flashbacks. Now with the Sawyer episode, Robert Patrick shows up, and anyone who watches Law & Order knows that you don't bring in a recognizable actor to play a small part unless there's a good reason. So why this guy? Is it just a red herring or is he actually the grifter who made Sawyer's Dad kill his Mom and now he's using Sawyer in some sick game? If they just wanted a recofniziable face for Sweeps, they could have done better than Patrick, so there's got to be a reason they chose him specifically.

Up until now, there hasn't been a "name" actor in any of the flashbacks.* Now with the Sawyer episode, Robert Patrick shows up, and anyone who watches Law & Order knows that you don't bring in a recognizable actor to play a small part unless there's a good reason.* So why this guy?* Is it just a red herring or is he actually the grifter who made Sawyer's Dad kill his Mom and now he's using Sawyer in some sick game?* If they just wanted a recofniziable face for Sweeps, they could have done better than Patrick, so there's got to be a reason they chose him specifically.

Sawyer was 8. When his parents died. I'm thinking that the original Sawyer didn't run the con alone. When Sawyer recognised the guys picture, he was recognizing someone he thought was Sawyer. The real Sawyer is a lot closer than he realizes and that Robert Patrick/Hibbs is actually Frank Sawyer. He just used James/Sawyer to 1. To kill a man that owed him money and would then stop James/Sawyer from looking for him. He didn't know that James/Sawyer would actually talk to the guy. Or What would be said.

I have to watch the episode again. After James/Sawyer shoots the guy and calls him Frank Sawyer. The guy says I was going to pay him. Which brings it back to who sent James/Sawyer after this guy in the first place. 1. Hibbs 2. Christian Shepherd
James/Sawyer goes back to the same bar and here's Christian Shepherd who now shows us another side of himself, the really obnoxious drunk. Which may be when Sawyer gets himself arrested. If he was caught with a gun I think things would have been alot harder at the Police Station. He was just pulled in for fighting. They were going to just let him cool off.

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We'll probablty find out why the finger is missing too.

Robert Patrick is famous for being a movie star and then being in X-Files. Robert Patrick isn't like a big big name, because you could also say that about Dom, but these are actors who need jobs where they can get it and if you haven't noticed a lot of well known actors are appearing in tv shows left right and centre. It's a living and someone's got to do it. In a cut throat industry getting a spot on anything is a god send.

Who cares if he's in Law and Order? So long as he can pull off being another character in another show it doesn't matter. I'm sure his little appearance won't bring Law and Order fans in their droves.

Who cares if he's in Law and Order? So long as he can pull off being another character in another show it doesn't matter. I'm sure his little appearance won't bring Law and Order fans in their droves.

Dude, calm down. My point in referencing Law and Order is that, you always know when a episode-specific character will be important when you recognize the actor. So, with a universe full of character actors, for the show's creators to go out of thier way to put a name actor in this role (Robert Patrick), it has to mean that there's more to this character than just one episode's worth.

And Sam, I'm pretty sure the implication made when the guy was dying was that he owed the Robert Patrick character money and that's why he sent our Sawyer to kill him under the guise of being the real Sawyer (whew!).

I am calm. What about Charmed with Billy Zane?

They are just guest stars. He may never show up again. We don't know if RP asked to be on the show. Or if he's great mates with the writers that they asked him.

I can't believe that Sawyer didn't ask the man buy throwing red herrings (or shrimps) at him. Like the man who gave him the gun said. You become a different person when you're staring down the barrel of a gun.

Ok, I watched the episode again.
James/Sawyer does not know what the real Sawyer looks like.
:Is this him?" The first time I thought he said "It's him".

Even 20 years ago Frank Ducket would not be considered a ladies man. Robert Patrick would. Still is.

cuseboy
Frank Ducket knew who the real Sawyer was abecause he connected the name back to Hibbs/Robert Patrick. Jame/Sawyer never mentioned Hibbs or money. He just called him Sawyer. Frank Sawyer. Ducket was confused because it wasn't his name. Ever. But he did know who's name it was and he owed him money.

The question is, why would Hibbs send Sawyer to kill a Shrimp man?

He seemed a simple man, yes he owed Hibbs money, but was a killing necessary? All you'd have to do was burn his lively hood.

I am a fan of Robert Patrick, and hope he returns in flashbacks.

Yet Lost is such a popular, hot show I am sure that many actors in Hollywood would love to do a guest shot.

The question is, why would Hibbs send Sawyer to kill a Shrimp man?

He seemed a simple man, yes he owed Hibbs money, but was a killing necessary?* All you'd have to do was burn his lively hood.


Perhaps to Hibbs, revenge is a dish served best cold--the cold steel barrel of a gun, that is.

Maybe Robert Patrick's character just set it up to kill the Shrimp Man. He figured to kill two birds with one stone. The guy who owes RP money is dead and Sawyer thinks he killed his long sought after killer. Maybe RP didn't bank on the guy mentioning the money being owed.

But then if this is a possibility, why do that for Sawyer to begin with. Was he throwing him off a trail?

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We'll probablty find out why the finger is missing too.


If you look a few pictures back, you can see that the finger in just tucked under his hand. Plus, the finger is bent at a different angle the the surrounding fingers. Unless it was just a poor attempt to show that his finger was missing, he is just holding the glass oddly.

If you look a few pictures back, you can see that the finger in just tucked under his hand. Plus, the finger is bent at a different angle the the surrounding fingers. Unless it was just a poor attempt to show that his finger was missing, he is just holding the glass oddly.

Yes, I noticed that you can actually see his fingure is bend. The hazzards of screen capture. I'm pretty sure that it is important that Hibbs is missing a finger. Shy of cutting Robert Patrick's finger off and costly computer retouching they probably figured it would fly.

Nice work, all. Yeah, I'm returning to my original thought that RP will have a big part to play in future flashbacks. Maybe we'll see what happened in the Tampa job that went wrong.

Maybe Robert Patrick's character just set it up to kill the Shrimp Man.* He figured to kill two birds with one stone.* The guy who owes RP money is dead and Sawyer thinks he killed his long sought after killer.* Maybe RP didn't bank on the guy mentioning the money being owed.

But then if this is a possibility, why do that for Sawyer to begin with.* Was he throwing him off a trail?

Hibbs did that to kill someone who owed him money and that could also identify him as Frank Sawyer.

Why would Hibbs care if James/Sawyer thought he killed the man who was responsible for his parents death? The only reason I can think of is so James/Sawyer would stop looking for Sawyer. Why would he want him to stop looking for the Original Sawyer? Because Hibbs is Sawyer.

Even 20 years ago Frank Ducket would not be considered a ladies man. Robert Patrick would. Still is.

cuseboy
Frank Ducket knew who the real Sawyer was abecause he connected the name back to Hibbs/Robert Patrick. Jame/Sawyer never mentioned Hibbs or money. He just called him Sawyer. Frank Sawyer. Ducket was confused because it wasn't his name. Ever. But he did know who's name it was and he owed him money.


Sam, very good! He could have just realized that the man he owed money to had sent someone to kill him, but I like this thinking. I haven't watched it again here but he might have very well known this name. Did he also mention Hibbs when he was dying?

Yes, I noticed that you can actually see his fingure is* bend. The hazzards of screen capture. I'm pretty sure that it is important that Hibbs is missing a finger. Shy od cutting Robert Patrick's finger off and costly computer retouching they probably figured it would fly.


The hazards of creating a show good enough that a bunch of geeks like us would talk about small details like that :lol2:

Sam, very good! He could have just realized that the man he owed money to had sent someone to kill him, but I like this thinking. I haven't watched it again here but he might have very well known this name. Did he also mention Hibbs when he was dying?

Yes.

Transcript isn't up yet but it went something like this
James/Sawyer: Sawyer
Frank Ducket turns around he is throwing out trash and the place is completely empty.
James/Sawyer shoots one shot
James/Sayer: Frank Sawyer
Ducket: What are you talking about? I would have paid. Hibbs I would have paid.

can't recall the rest and
Ducket: It'll come back around.

I think that Hibbs being Sawyer is a great theory and would be a wonderful plot twist if it turns out to be the case. The 2 birds with one stone, having James/Sawyer kill Duckat, is also good for several reasons. Hibbs said "We both know you're not a killer" so maybe he thought that our very rash Sawyer would get caught for the killing and be in Australia permanently because he's not an experienced murderer, he'd likely make some mistakes. He probably would have been in jail quickly had he shot him when he first met him. Also, Frank probably told Hibbs that he would pay him by a certain time, then fled the country, so using Hibbs thinking, he would have to die because he could never depend on Frank paying, regardless of what he said.

Frank D. knew that whoever was killing him was because of the $ he owed Hibbs (more than JS knew), but I don't think he could have ID's Hibbs as the real Sawyer. I mean, when he found out that James didn't know the real reason why this was happening, wouldn't he have said "Hibbs had me killed, but if you're looking for the real Sawyer, it's Hibbs not me. If you have a bone to pick with the real Sawyer, then kills Hibbs as revenge for me and you."

I think that Hibbs being Sawyer is a great theory and would be a wonderful plot twist if it turns out to be the case.* The 2 birds with one stone, having James/Sawyer kill Duckat, is also good for several reasons.* Hibbs said "We both know you're not a killer" so maybe he thought that our very rash Sawyer would get caught for the killing and be in Australia permanently because he's not an experienced murderer, he'd likely make some mistakes.* He probably would have been in jail quickly had he shot him when he first met him.* Also, Frank probably told Hibbs that he would pay him by a certain time, then fled the country, so using Hibbs thinking, he would have to die because he could never depend on Frank paying, regardless of what he said.*

Frank D. knew that whoever was killing him was because of the $ he owed Hibbs (more than JS knew), but I don't think he could have ID's Hibbs as the real Sawyer.* I mean, when he found out that James didn't know the real reason why this was happening, wouldn't he have said "Hibbs had me killed, but if you're looking for the real Sawyer, it's Hibbs not me.* If you have a bone to pick with the real Sawyer, then kills Hibbs as revenge for me and you."


Here's how it goes let me know what you think,

Sawyer: Sawyer
Shot
Sawyer: Frank Sawyer........................ I got a letter for you Mr. Sawyer.
Ducket: Who
Sawyer: You used to go by the name of Sawyer didn't you?
Ducket: You didn't have to. Tell Hibbs I would have paid.
Sawyer: How do you know Hibbs?
Ducket: You don't know what you're doing do you?
Sawyer: You borrowed money from Hibbs?
Ducket: I was goin to pay....................................It'll come back around.

Here's the kicker. If Sawyer thought he killed the real Sawyer, why would he still have the letter?
Going to see exactly what he said to Kate in Confidence Man.

KATE: (reads) "Dear Mr. Sawyer, you don't know who I am, but I know who you
are, and I know what you've done. You had sex with my mother, and then you
stole my dad's money all away. So he got angry, and he killed my mother. And
then he killed himself, too."

SAWYER: Don't stop now. You're getting to the good part.

KATE: "All I know is your name, but one of these days I'm gonna find you, and
I'm gonna give you this letter so you'll remember what you done to me. You
killed my parents, Mr. Sawyer."

No, I agree that our guy knows the man he killed isn't the man who ruined his life at age 11. My point was that even if Hibbs is the real Sawyer, Frank didn't know it. If he did, as he was dying, he would have told our guy that Hibbs was the man he was looking for. Frank knew that Hibbs had "arranged" his murder, wouldn't he have tried to return the favor if he had the goods on Hibbs?

Right, he was an "innocent" bystander of the whole Sawyer issue, he just borrowed money from the wrong guy.

Right, he was an "innocent" bystander of the whole Sawyer issue, he just borrowed money from the wrong guy.
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Then why would Ducket connect the name Frank Sawyer back to Hibbs if he had ever gone by the name Frank Sawyer? Money was never mentioned by James/Sawyer.

And then what would Ducket mean by " You don't know what you're doing do you?"

I think Duckett use to know Hibbs. Maybe they pulled scams together before. What I think is most bizarre is the IT WILL COME BACK AROUND.* It was (to me) like Duckett finally realized what that phrase meant. That maybe someone once told him the same thing he said to Sawyer. That his actions will come back on him or to have meaning on his future. (or in our Sawyers case might already have)

Maybe Hibbs needed something against Sawyer. By killing Ducket, Hibbs could control Sawyer like a puppet on a string, Could you imagine if it was Jack's dad that slept with Sawyer's mother.

That would be a kicker!

Watched Outlaws again and I think I know where Sawyer picked up his habbit of giving prople nick-names. Hibbs calls Sawyer - Sawbucks.

Wasn't there something at the very beginning of the episode that indicated that Hibbs had screwed Sawyer (our Sawyer) on a con before? Or, the con was a fiasco of some kind. Didn't he give Sawyer (ours) the information as some kind of partial restitution for that (of course, with 'strings' attached)?

My very first thought when I saw Robert Patrick in that role was, 'he'd be the perfect real Sawyer...'. Bet he is...

OldWiz

Wasn't there something at the very beginning of the episode that indicated that Hibbs had screwed Sawyer (our Sawyer) on a con before?* Or, the con was a fiasco of some kind.* Didn't he give Sawyer (ours) the information as some kind of partial restitution for that (of course, with 'strings' attached)?

My very first thought when I saw Robert Patrick in that role was, 'he'd be the perfect real Sawyer...'.* Bet he is...

OldWiz

The Tampa job. Our Sawyer said he'd kill Hibbs if he ever saw him again. That's when Hibbs pulled out the stuff on Frank Ducket. No way was Frank Ducket ever a ladies man. Hibbs took care of Ducket who owed him money and maybe thought he got James Sawyer off his trail but I think there must have been a coup de gras waiting for Sawyer when ge got back. Getting on flight 815 may have saved his life.

Soon as I saw Robert Patrick I said "That's the Real Sawyer ".

The Tampa job. Our Sawyer said he'd kill Hibbs if he ever saw him again. That's when Hibbs pulled out the stuff on Frank Ducket. No way was Frank Ducket ever a ladies man. Hibbs took care of Ducket who owed him money and maybe thought he got James Sawyer off his trail but I think there must have been a coup de gras waiting for Sawyer when ge got back. Getting on flight 815 may have saved his life.

Soon as I saw Robert Patrick I said "That's the Real Sawyer ".


Absolutely correct, oh fact-checker par excellence! So, given the previous problem with Hibbs, and the subsequent lie he told Sawyer, I would have to surmise that Sawyer was REALLY ( and by that, I mean REEEEEEALLY) pissed at Hibbs which may tie in with Sawyer being in the jail. Maybe he did something really naughty but was smart enough to get rid of the evidence before the police got him. Our boy Sawyer is pretty devious - wonder what he did to Hibbs, and how he got away with it?

I just cannot picture Sawyer getting burned that bad and walking away from it, can you?

Absolutely correct, oh fact-checker par excellence!* So, given the previous problem with Hibbs, and the subsequent lie he told Sawyer, I would have to surmise that Sawyer was REALLY ( and by that, I mean REEEEEEALLY) pissed at Hibbs which may tie in with Sawyer being in the jail.* Maybe he did something really naughty but was smart enough to get rid of the evidence before the police got him.* Our boy Sawyer is pretty devious - wonder what he did to Hibbs, and how he got away with it?*

I just cannot picture Sawyer getting burned that bad and walking away from it, can you?

Do you mean being in jail in OZ? I think that was just drunk and roudy conduct with Christian Shepard. I think Sawyer went back to the bar after he shot Frank Ducket realizing that Hibbs had set him up. He ran into a much drunker Christian Shepard who was still working on the bottle that Sawyer had bought. Christian Shepard wasn't in the mood to share the bottle, the cops were called. Sawyer mouthed off to the police and got himself arrested. Not sure how Christian got out of it. Somewhere between the bar and the morgue he shaved.(looking at screen caps could be continunity error but I don't think so)

Great thread! I agree with Sam Grant...Hibbs is most likely the real Sawyer. However, I don't think the poor shrimp guy knows how the real Swayer is.* If he assumed Hibbs...I think he must have owed Hibbs a lot of $$, and probably has had other warnings....after all once you have someone killed...you are never going to collect your due!* Since Shrimp Man knows Hibbs...he probably knows how he works, and knew he conned our Sawyer into it. I don't think Shrimp Man was conherent enough at that point to put together the Hibbs/Real Sawyer connection...he had more pressing problems to worry about.

I bet we'll see Hibbs again down the line...maybe in season 2 or 3! After all...they have to let us know who the real Sawyer is, don't they?* *8)



"after all once you have someone killed...you are never going to collect your due! " True but if:

The reason I say Frank Ducket knew Hibbs was the real Sawyer is that James never mentioned Hibbs. Ducket made the connection between Sawyer and Hibbs all by himself. Maybe Ducket was the only person left that knew Hibbs used to go by the name Sawyer.

Hibbs may have figured it was better to lose the money and any way of James being able to track Sawyer back to him.

This way Hibbs figures he gets James off the real Sawyer's trail and also kills the only link to him.

I think Ducket didn't understand why he was being killed for the money. That wasn't it, he was being killed because he was the only person that could connect Hibbs as Sawyer. Hibbs is twisted he liked the idea of really sticking it to James in more than one way. I think Our Sawyer understood in an instant he had been played and how he had been played. He feels even more guilty for killing an innocent fool.

Sawyer: Sawyer

Shot

Sawyer: Frank Sawyer........................ I got a letter for you Mr. Sawyer.

Ducket: Who

Sawyer: You used to go by the name of Sawyer didn't you?

Ducket: You didn't have to. Tell Hibbs I would have paid.

Sawyer: How do you know Hibbs?

Ducket: You don't know what you're doing do you?

Sawyer: You borrowed money from Hibbs?

Ducket: I was goin to pay....................................It'll come back around.

I will stop pressing. I think the Shripman knew who was the real Sawyer. He didn't connect it to why he was being shot.

Sawyer: Sawyer

Shot

Sawyer: Frank Sawyer........................ I got a letter for you Mr. Sawyer.

Ducket: Who

Sawyer: You used to go by the name of Sawyer didn't you?

Ducket: You didn't have to. Tell Hibbs I would have paid.

Sawyer: How do you know Hibbs?

Ducket: You don't know what you're doing do you?

Sawyer: You borrowed money from Hibbs?

Ducket: I was goin to pay....................................It'll come back around.

I will stop pressing. I think the Shripman knew who was the real Sawyer. He didn't connect it to why he was being shot.
I had trouble with this even before the whisper in Franks voice.
This has been 'Sawyers' mission to get sawyer. He carries the letter all these years for him. So he shoots first with the possibility of instant death. Rather than while having him at gun point one would think he would have made him read the letter and let him stew a bit before pulling the trigger.
Then there's Frank this guy just 'killed' by you. You dont have even a 'sob' from him rather a tell the guy that had me killed (like I'm sorry) that I was going to pay and you poor thing don't know what you are doing.
Offside we know that our 'Sawyer' is not good with one shot killing as per 'the marshall'

The whole thing was a set up the bullets were fake. Now Hibbs has a 'killing' over 'Sawyers' head

He looked like he was bleeding pretty convincingly. Hibbs would like to have had the money from Frank, but since he fled and Hibbs can't depend on him paying, Frank's death is still worth something to Hibbs' reputation. Word will get around that you can't default on Hibbs with out dying.

Nah...Shrimp Man doesn't know...if he did he would have used "Sawyer" or just* "him" (and meaning "Sawyer") in his reply, and not Hibbs.* But we do agree on the point that Hibbs is most likely the real Sawyer...and a downright nasty man!* :(

I should have said that Ducket knew that Hibbs USED to use the name Sawyer. Ducket was introduced to him as Hibbs that's how he would refer to him not as an alias he used to use. These guys have been using several names for years. Ducket was just using the most recent one for Hibbs.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry...............I know I said I'd stop. You are allowed your own opinions

I had trouble with this even before the whisper in Franks voice.
This has been 'Sawyers' mission to get sawyer. He carries the letter all these years for him. So he shoots first with the possibility of instant death. Rather than while having him at gun point one would think he would have made him read the letter and let him stew a bit before pulling the trigger.
Then there's Frank this guy just 'killed' by you. You dont have even a 'sob' from him rather a tell the guy that had me killed (like I'm sorry) that I was going to pay and you poor thing don't know what you are doing.
Offside we know that our 'Sawyer' is not good with* one shot killing as per 'the marshall'

The whole thing was a set up the bullets were fake. Now Hibbs has a 'killing' over 'Sawyers' head

Sawyer already tried to shoot Ducket once and he couldn't go through with it. He knew if he let the guy start taking he'd never be able to do it. Shoot first, Talk later.

Sawyer was bad at killing the Marshal quickly. The Marshal was going to die, it was just going to take several hours. Looks like Frank Ducket was going to die in the same way unless after Sawyer left someone found him.

Merci...while I understand your point, I still don't agree.* 'Nuf said....

ANYWAYS ...I agree that Sawyer probably left poor Shrimp Man to suffer unless someone found him....but that late at night, unlikely. I bet the whole Shrimp Man thing was why Sawyer had trouble shooting the Marshall...I don't think Sawyer is a bad shot...he did kill a charging polar bear. Probably un-nerved him to have to shoot another human being again.* :(

But, I really do hope we see Hibbs again...maybe a flashback on that Tampa job!

Hibbs has to be back. Just like Kate's nasty Marshal has to be back. Too many unanswered questions that can lead to more questions.

Bringing back. We haven't seen the last of Hibbs even if it is in a flashback.

We know that Christian wasn't involved in Sawyer getting arrested for head butting the Honorable Warren Truss.

So that part comes out of my theory.

Sawyer was 8. When his parents died. The real Sawyer is a lot closer than he realizes and that Robert Patrick/Hibbs is actually Frank Sawyer. He just used James/Sawyer to 1. To kill a man that owed him money and would then stop James/Sawyer from looking for him. He didn't know that James/Sawyer would actually talk to the guy. Or What would be said.

If Sawyer believed that Frank Duckett was the Real Sawyer, after he shot him, I think he would have left the letter. Since James still has the letter, he knows he shot the wrong man and I think he's figured out that it is Hibbs.

Now Hibbs has to be connected to someone and for sleeze factor alone I want to connect him to the Marshal. Which would connect this to Kate's story. Huuummm..more stuff to work out.

based on the script of the james sawyer scene when he shoots frank duckett, i say that frank duckett DOES know that hibbs is the real sawyer. everything, his connection to the real sawyer, what the real sawyer is "all about", the money that frank duckett owes the real sawyer, the fact that the real sawyer is using james sawyer as a patsy...it all goes around and around in frank duckett's mind as he gets shot. why else would he say what he said about owing the real sawyer money? why would he say hibbs' name when james sawyer called him sawyer? lately, the real sawyer goes by hibbs, but when james sawyer calls frank duckett sawyer, frank duckett gets it that james sawyer was tricked into believing that frank duckett is the real sawyer...and that is why james sawyer is trying to kill frank duckett...frank duckett gets it why he is being shot...he gets it that the real sawyer tricked james sawyer into killing frank duckett...he knows that james sawyer is killing him because he thinks he is the real sawyer and the real sawyer is having him killed because of the money and whatever else...

In Sawyer's quest for the real Sawyer, he came across FD, told him his story at some point, and FD decided to "keep his enemies close".?

based on the script of the james sawyer scene when he shoots frank duckett, i say that frank duckett DOES know that hibbs is the real sawyer. everything, his connection to the real sawyer, what the real sawyer is "all about", the money that frank duckett owes the real sawyer, the fact that the real sawyer is using james sawyer as a patsy...it all goes around and around in frank duckett's mind as he gets shot. why else would he say what he said about owing the real sawyer money? why would he say hibbs' name when james sawyer called him sawyer? lately, the real sawyer goes by hibbs, but when james sawyer calls frank duckett sawyer, frank duckett gets it that james sawyer was tricked into believing that frank duckett is the real sawyer...and that is why james sawyer is trying to kill frank duckett...frank duckett gets it why he is being shot...he gets it that the real sawyer tricked james sawyer into killing frank duckett...he knows that james sawyer is killing him because he thinks he is the real sawyer and the real sawyer is having him killed because of the money and whatever else...I'm not sure Frank knew that. He used Hibbs' name, and the name 'Sawyer' never came out of Frank's mouth. He said to our 'James', "You don't know what you're doing, do you?" meaning that he was killing Frank for Hibbs' purposes and not his own, as he had thought. I like the thought that Hibbs is the real confidence man called Sawyer that ran the con that resulted in the death of James Ford's parents. However, I'm not sure that we have any hard evidence to prove it. We'd have to see that that Hibbs had knowledge of our Sawyer's circumstances that he couldn't have gotten from James.

Sawyer: Sawyer
Shot
Sawyer: Frank Sawyer........................ I got a letter for you Mr. Sawyer.
Ducket: Who
Sawyer: You used to go by the name of Sawyer didn't you?
Ducket: You didn't have to. Tell Hibbs I would have paid.
Sawyer: How do you know Hibbs?
Ducket: You don't know what you're doing do you?
Sawyer: You borrowed money from Hibbs?
Ducket: I was goin to pay....................................It'll come back around.

Here's the kicker. If Sawyer thought he killed the real Sawyer, why would he still have the letter?
Going to see exactly what he said to Kate in Confidence Man.

KATE: (reads) "Dear Mr. Sawyer, you don't know who I am, but I know who you
are, and I know what you've done. You had sex with my mother, and then you
stole my dad's money all away. So he got angry, and he killed my mother. And
then he killed himself, too."

SAWYER: Don't stop now. You're getting to the good part.

KATE: "All I know is your name, but one of these days I'm gonna find you, and
I'm gonna give you this letter so you'll remember what you done to me. You
killed my parents, Mr. Sawyer."

In Sawyer's quest for the real Sawyer, he came across FD, told him his story at some point, and FD decided to "keep his enemies close".????I'm not understanding you WIF.

???I'm not understanding you WIF.

Ooops I meant Hibbs.

Ooops I meant Hibbs.
How would that advance the plot? Trying to think like a writer:cool:

How would that advance the plot? Trying to think like a writer:cool:

Everyone has an enemy they keep close? Sounds like a list to me.

As a writer, it could open the door to how everyone has been manipulated by one of their enemies. Or they have all trusted the wrong person. Or their enemies are a short list, that is a way of connecting them. Oh, man the possibilities are endless.

I NEED NEW INFORMATION

Hum....this has been moved to the General Theories...spoilers have saidthat Hibbs is going to be back. I wonder if anything get answered here?

Outlaws (http://www.pressexecute.com/scripts/114_outlaws_pink.pdf)

Frank Duckett: You don’t know what you’re doing, do you...
(glassy eyed)
It’ll come back around.

And as he dies, he whispers his final words:

I was gonna pay...

Sawyer stares at Duckett.

And we see it play out on his face: He’s been f***ing conned.

And we’re CLOSE ON Sawyer when the horror of the full-realization hits him: he’s now a cold-blooded killer.

There are some interesting changes in the script.

Scripts (www.pressexecute.com)

Frank Duckett: You don’t know what you’re doing, do you...
(glassy eyed)
It’ll come back around.

And as he dies, he whispers his final words:

I was gonna pay...

Sawyer stares at Duckett.

And we see it play out on his face: He’s been f***ing conned.

And we’re CLOSE ON Sawyer when the horror of the full-realization hits him: he’s now a cold-blooded killer.

There are some interesting changes in the script.Dangit! I can't open the script! What changes?

Dangit! I can't open the script! What changes? It's a PDF file you can download the reader for free.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1047737&highlight=scripts#post1047737 We're discussing them here.