i hope he dosnt die he s great i like him as henry to he had a weird and a funny side to him like when eko went to see him he said to i think it was locke that he was realy cofused as to who thay were i think he said ive had one man beat me half to death and another cut his beard in front of me lol that part was so funny :rotflmao2: amd people have said he s the most evil man on TV but i think the most misunderstood man on TV .

There's many other love Ben threads but you're right deadeye I like the quote by Michael Emerson as well :biggrin::biggrin::)

I think you'll find there's quite a few Ben/Henry threads already out there.

I think you'll find there's quite a few Ben/Henry threads already out there.
Leyo..... Do you think he's evil? Or do you think he's misunderstood?

Leyo..... Do you think he's evil? Or do you think he's misunderstood?

I think he's ultimately misunderstood. I think he's trying to do what he sees as the right thing, but his methods are questionable.
Obviously he believes that all this deception and manipulation is necessary for some reason, and you can't blame the Losties - who are on the receiving end - for thinking that he's the bad guy. It's clear that the Others are in a situation where that kind of ruthless behaviour has become necessary for them to survive.

Whenever we find out what's going on with the Others then I think we'll see that they are no worse than the Losties - who, let's face it, have done some pretty dodgy things themselves.

When Ben says "We're the good guys" he believes it ... just like the Losties believe that *they* are the good guys. It's all a matter of perspective. ;)

Why I Like Ben (a lot):

* He doesn't scream like a certain doctor with daddy and letting go issues
* Stripey shirts, they rule. No, seriously, they do
* Obviously very intelligent and well read (he can quote a section of Of Mice and Men off the top of his spikey-haired head)
* Despite the receding hairline, still spikes his hair with gel
* Very dry sense of humor
* Man of science, man of faith
* Seemingly didn't hurl when James and Kate got busy
* Able to think three moves ahead of every one else
* Played John like an expensive Stradivarius violin
* Has a bit of the "lost and lonely child of all the world" about him
* Chest hair, in general
* Wears round, wire-rim glasses, which as I was reminded about 187 times when I recently went in to get a new prescription, are "out of fashion". Fark fashion, they rule
* Has seemingly benign feelings for Alex, despite Alex being the spawn of a ker-azy French chick
* Has said two things that drive Others-haters -- [shakes fist] you know who you are [shakes fist one more time]-- absolutely crazy:
"We're the good guys, Michael" and "WE'RE not killers, James"
* Will be the agent for the Losties redemption/getting off the Island

Will add to this later.

You forgot *that* voice .... ooooooh, gives me the shivers (in a good way!) :rolleyes:

But I bet he did hurl - I would have!

another cut his beard in front of me lol that part was so funny amd people have said he s the most evil man on TV but i think the most misunderstood man on TV .

Actually Michael Emerson said "I don't think I'm evil...maybe misunderstood" hahaha

I also agree Eko cutting off his beard in front of Benry was very significant.
100%
Why I Like Ben (a lot):

* He doesn't scream like a certain doctor with daddy and letting go issues
* Stripey shirts, they rule. No, seriously, they do
* Obviously very intelligent and well read (he can quote a section of Of Mice and Men off the top of his spikey-haired head)
* Despite the receding hairline, still spikes his hair with gel
* Very dry sense of humor
* Man of science, man of faith
* Seemingly didn't hurl when James and Kate got busy
* Able to think three moves ahead of every one else
* Played John like an expensive Stradivarius violin
* Has a bit of the "lost and lonely child of all the world" about him
* Chest hair, in general
* Wears round, wire-rim glasses, which as I was reminded about 187 times when I recently went in to get a new prescription, are "out of fashion". Fark fashion, they rule
* Has seemingly benign feelings for Alex, despite Alex being the spawn of a ker-azy French chick
* Has said two things that drive Others-haters -- [shakes fist] you know who you are [shakes fist one more time]-- absolutely crazy:
"We're the good guys, Michael" and "WE'RE not killers, James"
* Will be the agent for the Losties redemption/getting off the Island


Absolutely amazing :biglaugh::rotflmao2::roflmao:

I really like Ben too!

Why I Like Ben (a lot):

* Wears round, wire-rim glasses, which as I was reminded about 187 times when I recently went in to get a new prescription, are "out of fashion". Fark fashion, they rule


:D Don't they just? Ben's so cool he looks HOT in them too. *drifts for a moment...* Ben in his spex is a condender for Sexiest Moment in Series 3 for me. (But Hugo in his Oceanic uniform is providing some serious competition :bigrinan: *happyhappyhappy* Let battle commence gentlemen, do!)

Ben's quoting Of Mice And Men... :thud: I've been carrying my Locke Rock around for what feels like forever now, in case I needed to brain the big lunk with it George and Lennie style.

Ben has a bunny. :mushy: Awwwwww! ...hope he quotes us some 12 Angry Men as well :rolleyes: (it's an '8' thing ;) )

I'm loosing the thread here... all too easily distracted by Ben's many fine and admirable qualities: NOT gobbing off a rant because he's fearful or frustrated, remaining polite in the face of provocation, going to the effort of courteous bows and proper introductions... that sort of thing. Time to think without typing for a while... :lipsseal:

Why I Like Ben (a lot):

* He doesn't scream like a certain doctor with daddy and letting go issues
* Stripey shirts, they rule. No, seriously, they do
* Obviously very intelligent and well read (he can quote a section of Of Mice and Men off the top of his spikey-haired head)
* Despite the receding hairline, still spikes his hair with gel
* Very dry sense of humor
* Man of science, man of faith
* Seemingly didn't hurl when James and Kate got busy
* Able to think three moves ahead of every one else
* Played John like an expensive Stradivarius violin
* Has a bit of the "lost and lonely child of all the world" about him
* Chest hair, in general
* Wears round, wire-rim glasses, which as I was reminded about 187 times when I recently went in to get a new prescription, are "out of fashion". Fark fashion, they rule
* Has seemingly benign feelings for Alex, despite Alex being the spawn of a ker-azy French chick
* Has said two things that drive Others-haters -- [shakes fist] you know who you are [shakes fist one more time]-- absolutely crazy:
"We're the good guys, Michael" and "WE'RE not killers, James"
* Will be the agent for the Losties redemption/getting off the Island

Will add to this later.

Are those the only straws you could grasp at to explain why Ben is likable ;)

Why I Like Ben (a lot):

* He doesn't scream like a certain doctor with daddy and letting go issues
* Stripey shirts, they rule. No, seriously, they do
* Obviously very intelligent and well read (he can quote a section of Of Mice and Men off the top of his spikey-haired head)
* Despite the receding hairline, still spikes his hair with gel
* Very dry sense of humor
* Man of science, man of faith
* Seemingly didn't hurl when James and Kate got busy
* Able to think three moves ahead of every one else
* Played John like an expensive Stradivarius violin
* Has a bit of the "lost and lonely child of all the world" about him
* Chest hair, in general
* Wears round, wire-rim glasses, which as I was reminded about 187 times when I recently went in to get a new prescription, are "out of fashion". Fark fashion, they rule
* Has seemingly benign feelings for Alex, despite Alex being the spawn of a ker-azy French chick
* Has said two things that drive Others-haters -- [shakes fist] you know who you are [shakes fist one more time]-- absolutely crazy:
"We're the good guys, Michael" and "WE'RE not killers, James"
* Will be the agent for the Losties redemption/getting off the Island

Will add to this later.
Are those the only straws you could grasp at to explain why Ben is likable ;)

Let us not forget that this voice can send shivers down one's spine

NOT gobbing off a rant because he's fearful or frustrated, remaining polite in the face of provocation, going to the effort of courteous bows and proper introductions... that sort of thing. Time to think without typing for a while..Yes, all excellent additions to our little list.

Not gobbing --hahahaha, gob, what a great word-- a rant is one of my favorite Ben qualities. It's the non typically American bit of coldness that Michael's remarked about in Ben's character that I love. His ability to keep his composure when all around him are losing theirs is very admirable as well (I'm one of the "loses composure easily" sorts). And one of my very favorite bits of the entire show so far is when he steps off the boat in LTDA, strides purposefully across the dock while that great, great music is playing, gives Michael a look of contempt and then stops, bows ever so slightly, looks Jack right in the eye, smiles ever so slightly, says "Hello, again", then looks at Kate and James.

Um, yeah, I've watched that bit about a bajillion times, what of it? Huh? HUH? :irked:

:biggrin:

see also: when he gets off his folding chair, leans down, extends his hand and says "My name is Benjamin Linus and I've lived on this Island all my life".
Are those the only straws you could grasp at to explain why Ben is likableHahahahahaha.

Let's see:

* Handy with a baton in the lower back of people, will come in handy later on when the Others and Losties merge
* Has an apparent dislike for "airplane books" ala Carrie (I agree with Bookclub Adam)
* Is a "good person"
* Knows how to needle James (by calling him James, then when dissing his conman skills by mockingly calling him Sawyer)
* Can take a punch
* Seems to have an old soul, his lineage on the Island probably goes back to the 1800's (I'm convinced he's a Hanso or the great great great great great great great grandson of one of the Black Rock crew)
* Stripey shirts. Duh.

I'd love to see the inside of his house, what kind of decor he has, what paintings are on the wall, what's in his bookshelf (probably not a copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People, I'd wager), what's in his music collection (very, very, very important to me), if his bed is a single or a double and if it's a double, if the sheets are rumpled and.....*cough*

:) I suspect that we'll see it while he recovers from the surgery

if his bed is a single or a double and if it's a double, if the sheets are rumpled and.....*cough*

:)

Let me guess, you want him to have a double bed.

:biglaugh: ... Jeremy, I love your posts - you sum him up perfectly!

Let me guess, you want him to have a double bed"A guy goes nuts if he ain't got nobody. It don't make no difference who the guy is, long as he's with you. I tell you, I tell you, a guy gets too lonely and he gets sick". Yeah, I'd like to think that Ben loved and was loved by someone --of course, I'd like to hope it was a man, being gay and all-- but it would be nice to see that side of him, no matter the object of his affection. As Kate can testify, he can lay out an excellent breakfast spread. :)

* Excellent host at meals, except for the handcuffs thingJeremy, I love your posts - you sum him up perfectly!:redface:

Ahhh, let's face reality, the man is perfect.

"A guy goes nuts if he ain't got nobody. It don't make no difference who the guy is, long as he's with you. I tell you, I tell you, a guy gets too lonely and he gets sick". Yeah, I'd like to think that Ben loved and was loved by someone --of course, I'd like to hope it was a man, being gay and all-- but it would be nice to see that side of him, no matter the object of his affection. As Kate can testify, he can lay out an excellent breakfast spread. :)

* Excellent host at meals, except for the handcuffs thing:redface:

I think there's a good chance ben could be gay or bi, so you may get your wish!

I think there's a good chance ben could be gay or bi, so you may get your wish!

'Henry Gale' was a friend of Dorothy's wasn't he? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_of_Dorothy ;)

'Henry Gale' was a friend of Dorothy's wasn't he? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_of_Dorothy ;)

Oh nice one, didn't think of that connection!

Pen,
You're preaching to the choir with me!
I LOVES me some Ben!

Oh nice one, didn't think of that connection!Me neither, I haven't heard that expression in years. See also: light in his loafers.Ahhh, let's face reality, the man is perfectPerfectly.....EVIL buwahahahahahahaha.

I'm really curious how they're going to explain the whole "not send people to help the injured at the two Lostie crash sites" thing. At the recent thing in Hollywood, someone asked a question, something like "Why didn't Ben just go and ask if anyone was a doctor, instead of the kindapping, mind games etc." and the response from Damon (I think) was something like "We'll that's not very dramatic, is it?".

I'm really curious how they're going to explain the whole "not send people to help the injured at the two Lostie crash sites" thing. At the recent thing in Hollywood, someone asked a question, something like "Why didn't Ben just go and ask if anyone was a doctor, instead of the kindapping, mind games etc." and the response from Damon (I think) was something like "We'll that's not very dramatic, is it?".


Oh that's not a very exciting answer is it, hopefully it was just deflection because he didn't want to answer the question.

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I'm really curious how they're going to explain the whole "not send people to help the injured at the two Lostie crash sites" thing. At the recent thing in Hollywood, someone asked a question, something like "Why didn't Ben just go and ask if anyone was a doctor, instead of the kindapping, mind games etc." and the response from Damon (I think) was something like "We'll that's not very dramatic, is it?".

Oh that's not a very exciting answer is it, hopefully it was just deflection because he didn't want to answer the question.

I think what Damon meant by that statement is that if Ben would go over to the LOSTIES and ask about the doctor, it would be boring. It is more exciting to make the Others mysterious and menacing.

It really depends how the storyline pans out, but what if the boring option makes a thousand times more sense then what we are getting. If all Ben had to do was go there and ask, why bother getting captured, shot, tortured, and then capturing Michael to get him to trick the Losites into a fake ambush to capture J/K/S and spend two weeks convincing Jack to do the surgery, while also building a fake village and getting Kate and Sawyer to have sex, as a trump card to get Jack to do the surgery. Blah, that was a mouthful and only covered maybe half of the things Ben and the others did.

Especially when Jack would have done it in the first place if Ben had asked nicely. There has to be a better answer then simply saying it made things more entertaining.

It really depends how the storyline pans out, but what if the boring option makes a thousand times more sense then what we are getting. If all Ben had to do was go there and ask, why bother getting captured, shot, tortured, and then capturing Michael to get him to trick the Losites into a fake ambush to capture J/K/S and spend two weeks convincing Jack to do the surgery, while also building a fake village and getting Kate and Sawyer to have sex, as a trump card to get Jack to do the surgery. Blah, that was a mouthful and only covered maybe half of the things Ben and the others did.

Especially when Jack would have done it in the first place if Ben had asked nicely. There has to be a better answer then simply saying it made things more entertaining.

I think that's all true in the dramatic sense - it certainly makes for a more interesting story. However, I don't think it's purely for dramatic effect, it actually makes sense in the circumstances.

I'm drawn back to the Others' perspective of the crash, the way they obviously weren't expecting it, and the way that Ben sent Ethan and Goodwin to the crash sites to obtain lists of names. It seems that they had reason to be suspicious of the event, and who the survivors might be; which all ties in with the conflict they have with the other group of Others. I seems to me that they didn't initially offer help out of suspicion that one or more of the survivors may be some sort of threat to them.

I'm thinking that some of the survivors were "captured" because the Others had eliminated them from their list of possible threats, and wanted to get them to safety. The ones that were left were the ones under suspicion?

When Ben allowed himself to be captured it was because he needed Jack to do the op, and he needed to find out more about Jack to see if he could be trusted. In one interview, I forget who with, there's a quote that says that there was a reason that Ben went to beach camp, and that he was the only one who could go (this was before season3), and now we know why. I don't think he was expecting the outright hostility that he experienced from the Losties, but this made him believe that things had gone beyond the point of just *asking* Jack to do the op, which was why they went with plan B to kidnap J/K/S.

I think that's all true in the dramatic sense - it certainly makes for a more interesting story. However, I don't think it's purely for dramatic effect, it actually makes sense in the circumstances.

I'm drawn back to the Others' perspective of the crash, the way they obviously weren't expecting it, and the way that Ben sent Ethan and Goodwin to the crash sites to obtain lists of names. It seems that they had reason to be suspicious of the event, and who the survivors might be; which all ties in with the conflict they have with the other group of Others. I seems to me that they didn't initially offer help out of suspicion that one or more of the survivors may be some sort of threat to them.

I'm thinking that some of the survivors were "captured" because the Others had eliminated them from their list of possible threats, and wanted to get them to safety. The ones that were left were the ones under suspicion?

When Ben allowed himself to be captured it was because he needed Jack to do the op, and he needed to find out more about Jack to see if he could be trusted. In one interview, I forget who with, there's a quote that says that there was a reason that Ben went to beach camp, and that he was the only one who could go (this was before season3), and now we know why. I don't think he was expecting the outright hostility that he experienced from the Losties, but this made him believe that things had gone beyond the point of just *asking* Jack to do the op, which was why they went with plan B to kidnap J/K/S.


Wow, Leyosura, are you sure that you are not one of the writers?

Wow, Leyosura, are you sure that you are not one of the writers?

If only ...... :rolleyes: *sigh*

If this hiatus has been good for one thing, it's given me time to really think about what's gone on and how everything fits together. I have so many theories now you wouldn't believe it! :biggrin:

If only ...... :rolleyes: *sigh*

If this hiatus has been good for one thing, it's given me time to really think about what's gone on and how everything fits together. I have so many theories now you wouldn't believe it! :biggrin:


And all of them are probably wrong. LOL.

I'm drawn back to the Others' perspective of the crash, the way they obviously weren't expecting itI love the way Ben bolts out of his house after the earthquake and almost immediately starts looking up. At DarkUFO's site, he has a post about what the big reveal is going to be in the next batch of eppies and he writes this:1) They reveal that there is a runway on the Island
2) The Pilot was meant to land on the Island but crashed due to the magnet/Desmond
3) They were all bought there for a purposeI completely agree with this. I think Ben was expecting the plane, the whole "break up and scatter" bit, not so much.It seems that they had reason to be suspicious of the event, and who the survivors might be; which all ties in with the conflict they have with the other group of Others I seems to me that they didn't initially offer help out of suspicion that one or more of the survivors may be some sort of threat to them. Yes, I think that's exactly it. [Hugo voice] Dude, can you see the future? [/Hugo voice] :) BTW, no offense to your description of them, obviously, but I sure hope we get some better names for the group Ben leads and the group they're fighting against. When the latter group is revealed I don't want to have to type Other Others all the time! :)I'm thinking that some of the survivors were "captured" because the Others had eliminated them from their list of possible threats, and wanted to get them to safety. The ones that were left were the ones under suspicion?Danny: Shephard wasn't on Jacob's list.

Great post, Leyosura! :ntworthy: If this hiatus has been good for one thing, it's given me time to really think about what's gone on and how everything fits together. I have so many theories now you wouldn't believe it!I kind of gave up on theorizing after, ironically, the plane broke apart. I was *convinced* that the crash had been staged: the cabin crew drugged everyone, the break apart was faked, they were all taken to the Island, place where they were placed and then woke up. This was mainly due to the fact that I needed to explain in my head how anyone could survive that crash (totally impossible in "real life").

That got shot to sunshine, didn't it? :) Oooohh, I'll add:

* Ben's beautiful way of phrasing things. For some reason, I just *love* the way he says "..and I've lived on this Island all my life" instead of "all OF my life". which is probably grammatically incorrect.

And all of them are probably wrong. LOL.

Oh, undoubtedly. ;)

When the latter group is revealed I don't want to have to type Other Others all the time!

I really hate "other Others".
I'm hoping somebody will come up with a viable alternative - soon please! :63:

Oh, undoubtedly. ;)



I really hate "other Others".
I'm hoping somebody will come up with a viable alternative - soon please! :63:

The Hostiles?

The Hostiles?

Well, possibly ... but when Kelvin used that word I took it to mean the Others. When Sayid asks to borrow Desmond's boat to sail north Des associates it with him going to see the Hostiles, so I assume that the two names apply to the same group of people. :confused:

Well, possibly ... but when Kelvin used that word I took it to mean the Others. When Sayid asks to borrow Desmond's boat to sail north Des associates it with him going to see the Hostiles, so I assume that the two names apply to the same group of people. :confused:

I think that was the idea that TPTB wanted to convey to us. But after reading Michael Emerson's recent interview

Q: What can you tell us about the upcoming season of Lost?

Michael: "February 7 we return and we're now on at a later hour (10pm EST), which I think is better because it allows us to be sexier and bloodier than it has been previously. We're in the middle of a surgical hostage drama in the operating room and it's only going to get worse before it gets better. Ben is a little bit out of commission now, which creates a sort of vacuum in the power structure with The Others. We may meet some new Others, some new and dangerous people may appear. I think it's fair to say the Lostaways aren't going to suffer the kidnapping of their friends for very much longer and there's going to be some kind of conflict coming."



I believe that the Hostiles are worse than the Others.


You can read the actual interview here:

http://tvdramas.about.com/od/lost/a/mikeemersonint.htm

I think that's all true in the dramatic sense - it certainly makes for a more interesting story. However, I don't think it's purely for dramatic effect, it actually makes sense in the circumstances.

I'm drawn back to the Others' perspective of the crash, the way they obviously weren't expecting it, and the way that Ben sent Ethan and Goodwin to the crash sites to obtain lists of names. It seems that they had reason to be suspicious of the event, and who the survivors might be; which all ties in with the conflict they have with the other group of Others. I seems to me that they didn't initially offer help out of suspicion that one or more of the survivors may be some sort of threat to them.

I'm thinking that some of the survivors were "captured" because the Others had eliminated them from their list of possible threats, and wanted to get them to safety. The ones that were left were the ones under suspicion?

When Ben allowed himself to be captured it was because he needed Jack to do the op, and he needed to find out more about Jack to see if he could be trusted. In one interview, I forget who with, there's a quote that says that there was a reason that Ben went to beach camp, and that he was the only one who could go (this was before season3), and now we know why. I don't think he was expecting the outright hostility that he experienced from the Losties, but this made him believe that things had gone beyond the point of just *asking* Jack to do the op, which was why they went with plan B to kidnap J/K/S.

Oh yeah I would love for this to turn out to be the case!! It's just that Damon's comments do not necessarily suggest this is what they have planned, it might be, but his comments could also mean that they don't have a good reason why Ben didn't ask in the first place, we shall see and I hope it turns out to be something along the lines of what you are saying :smile:

Sorry to refer back to my own post ....


I'm thinking that some of the survivors were "captured" because the Others had eliminated them from their list of possible threats, and wanted to get them to safety. The ones that were left were the ones under suspicion?


It occurred to me that - please correct me if I'm wrong - all the Losties arranged to board flight 815 at short notice, no more that 24-48 hours in advance. They had not planned to board that particular flight.

Could it be that the other passengers, or some of them at least, planned to be on that flight?

There have been lots of theories about whether it had been fixed for the Losties to be on flight 815, but what if it was the other way around? What if they were brought to the island by accident, but it was the other passengers who were *supposed* to be there?

I think Ben was expecting the plane, the whole "break up and scatter" bit, not so much.

Danny: Shephard wasn't on Jacob's list.


So maybe Ben & co were expecting the flight, but not the crash?

Maybe they suspected sabotage? So they rescued (not kidnapped) all the people who were on Jacob's list - because they were supposed to be there, they were expected - and they took them to safety. Everyone they didn't know about, i.e. our Losties, was under suspicion?


Does that make any sense? :confused:

Yes that does make sense. I think most people have suggested that the Losties were meant to be on the island and that they were all put on the plane for this reason, but it definitely could be the opposite reason you've just presented. That actually makes more sense, since the others have left the losties alone while quickly taking the taillies the first few nights.

Yes, all excellent additions to our little list.
see also: when he gets off his folding chair, leans down, extends his hand and says "My name is Benjamin Linus and I've lived on this Island all my life".

What about just the fact that he brings in a folding chair to sit on? No cold dirty dolphin exam table for our boy's bum. Then the way he snaps it open to get Jack's attention. How he stretches his leg over the chair back to sit down. Finally how he takes just a few seconds to settle himself in before he gets down to the business of rubbing Jack's nose in the fact that he is now in control.

And that retractable baton of his! My god how hot was that? The way he snapped it out before he went into Sawyer's cell and how he used it to bring Sawyer to his knees.

Those last few lines sound like bad Ben slash so I know it is time to stop reading and get back to work.

Those last few lines sound like bad Ben slash so I know it is time to stop reading and get back to work Phew! It's hot in here. :)

I kind of gave up on theorizing after, ironically, the plane broke apart. I was *convinced* that the crash had been staged: the cabin crew drugged everyone, the break apart was faked, they were all taken to the Island, place where they were placed and then woke up. This was mainly due to the fact that I needed to explain in my head how anyone could survive that crash (totally impossible in "real life").

How about... they survived the crash because although the plane fell; it landed on a big EM cushion? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation

They maybe hit the water less fast than you think? (although the opening to The Other 48 Days looks like they had a hairy ride :undecide: ) but back to Ben:

I've heard him described as a controll freak; but it's his self-controll I admire. And, as unnerving as he can be (I probably just fancy him if I'm honest :biggrin: ), I find him reasonable in that he's reasoning. I get the feeling if you offered him a deal, and it was a good one, he'd take it - not cut off his nose to spite his face in some piece of misguided macho posturing.

You're not wrong about the heat... *loosens clothing*

How about... they survived the crash because although the plane fell; it landed on a big EM cushion?Excellent find, Liplocked! That might actually work, explanation wise. :thumbup1: They're really going to have to do some fancy scriptwriting to make the crash and Smokey plausible, within their "everything can basically be explained by science or pseudo-science" thing.I get the feeling if you offered him a deal, and it was a good one, he'd take it - not cut off his nose to spite his face in some piece of misguided macho posturing*cough* Jack *cough*

dude Ben rocked last night, when he woke up he was just so...cute. with some of the characters introduced in Not In Portland he seemed much less scary. :biggrin:

ROFL Ben is cool for the simple reason that he thinks things through...He's very "still" and that makes his presence even stronger.

As they say..

It's the quiet ones you gotta look out for.:coolorng:

Besides...the man uses a French press coffee maker...How BAD could he POSSIBLY be?

:biglaugh::ntworthy:

I like him too and I didn't know either, til I read this entire post, thank you all!

He's charismatic, intelligent and his sense of humor, man what brilliant timing. He's not conventionally handsome, like Sawyer or Jack, yet he is still so...bewitching. That's the only word I can think of. I'm hypnotised by his presence whenever he's onscreen.

I like him too and I didn't know either, til I read this entire post, thank you all!

He's charismatic, intelligent and his sense of humor, man what brilliant timing. He's not conventionally handsome, like Sawyer or Jack, yet he is still so...bewitching. That's the only word I can think of. I'm hypnotised by his presence whenever he's onscreen.

He's all that and more - it all adds up to an incredibly sexy guy! :rolleyes:

I like him in that he is not what he seems to be. There are so many layers. Have we ever really seen ONE real emotion from Ben??? Something that he genuinely seems to feel??

I think that the fear in his eyes when Jack was talking to him about his tumor was the closest thing we've ever gotten to real emotion. He COULD go and be as evil as he possibly could think of, OR potentially he might actually be right when he says that "We're the good guys." There's just no way to know yet, and I think that's the most amazing thing about Ben!!!

Way to go!!! Excellent acting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you notice? Our boy was looking pretty buff there with his shirt off!

He's said in interviews that he's working out. Looks like it's paying off!

He was certainly looking good. ;)

Although did anyone else notice the absence of the crossbow wound? It's only about 2 weeks since he was shot by Rousseau and there's not even a scar.
Should we put this down to the amazing healing powers of the island, or just a lack of continuity? :rolleyes:

He is very bewitching, good term!! I know what you mean about not being conventionally handsome. I always seem to go for the men that would fall into that category. I'm not saying that Ben is my favorite on the show, there are at least 2 others in front of him!! However I do like him very very much!

OOOooo a ROCKY avi lostlocke...most excellent!

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thank you kindly!
Gotta love the stallion!

Although did anyone else notice the absence of the crossbow wound? It's only about 2 weeks since he was shot by Rousseau and there's not even a scar.
Should we put this down to the amazing healing powers of the island, or just a lack of continuity? :rolleyes:

Gotta be continuity 'cause it sure took a heck of a long time for those two cuts on his lips to heal. It was starting to freak me out, I didn't think his mouth would ever look normal again...

Gotta be continuity 'cause it sure took a heck of a long time for those two cuts on his lips to heal. It was starting to freak me out, I didn't think his mouth would ever look normal again...

Maybe it's me, but I kind of look out for stuff like that - I thought they did a good job of healing the cuts and bruises ... but you're right that it took a long time - obviously the healing powers of the island aren't working their magic on Ben. :rolleyes:

I'm really curious how they're going to explain the whole "not send people to help the injured at the two Lostie crash sites" thing. At the recent thing in Hollywood, someone asked a question, something like "Why didn't Ben just go and ask if anyone was a doctor, instead of the kindapping, mind games etc." and the response from Damon (I think) was something like "We'll that's not very dramatic, is it?".

Now we know Ben didn't need a doctor when flight 815 crashed. He planned on going to a facilty off island at that point for the surgery. It was only after he kidnapped Kate, Jack and Sawyer (when the sky turned purple because of the failsafe) that Jack's surgical abilities became important.

So now we are back to why did Ben kidnap Jack and Co. I think it might have to do with something other than his doctoring abilities. Something we don't yet know about Jack that perhaps is the reason he did not make Jacob's list. Maybe we will learn in his upcoming episode's Jackbacks (will Ben have Benbacks?).

Now we know Ben didn't need a doctor when flight 815 crashed. He planned on going to a facilty off island at that point for the surgery. It was only after he kidnapped Kate, Jack and Sawyer (when the sky turned purple because of the failsafe) that Jack's surgical abilities became important.

But if Ben knew he had a tumor for months why was he waiting to leave the island, that's a long time to just sit around and let a fast growing tumor enlarge.

Now we know Ben didn't need a doctor when flight 815 crashed. He planned on going to a facilty off island at that point for the surgery. It was only after he kidnapped Kate, Jack and Sawyer (when the sky turned purple because of the failsafe) that Jack's surgical abilities became important.

So now we are back to why did Ben kidnap Jack and Co. I think it might have to do with something other than his doctoring abilities. Something we don't yet know about Jack that perhaps is the reason he did not make Jacob's list. Maybe we will learn in his upcoming episode's Jackbacks (will Ben have Benbacks?).

Did he really say that he was planning to leave the island? I don't think that he was capable of leaving for a long time now. Maybe even ever.

How strange is it that the make-up people kept Ben's lip scars but didn't bother with the arrow puncture scar in his shoulder!

How strange is it that the make-up people kept Ben's lip scars but didn't bother with the arrow puncture scar in his shoulder!

Good catch.

How strange is it that the make-up people kept Ben's lip scars but didn't bother with the arrow puncture scar in his shoulder!

But what's even more strange is that I'm sure the dressing is on his shoulder in 'I Do'.

But what's even more strange is that I'm sure the dressing is on his shoulder in 'I Do'.

No way. I need to rewatch this episode. I don't recall seeing any dressing. It was as if it completely healed.

No way. I need to rewatch this episode. I don't recall seeing any dressing. It was as if it completely healed.

I could have sworn that I saw a brief glimpse of it. I'll have to try a find a screen cap.

Well, anyway, there's no sign of it now - not even a scar! :rolleyes:

The arrow through his shoulder heals with no scar but his surgical incision gets infected?
You're right. It seems inconsistent.

Did you look for a screen cap from 'I Do' to see if there was a dressing?

I think he's ultimately misunderstood. I think he's trying to do what he sees as the right thing, but his methods are questionable.
Obviously he believes that all this deception and manipulation is necessary for some reason, and you can't blame the Losties - who are on the receiving end - for thinking that he's the bad guy. It's clear that the Others are in a situation where that kind of ruthless behaviour has become necessary for them to survive.

Whenever we find out what's going on with the Others then I think we'll see that they are no worse than the Losties - who, let's face it, have done some pretty dodgy things themselves.

When Ben says "We're the good guys" he believes it ... just like the Losties believe that *they* are the good guys. It's all a matter of perspective. ;)

I agree. I think this might be to do with the fact he's lived on the island his whole life, and I genuinely think he thinks he is doing the right thing, and that he is a good person. It's just that when you've lived in the "real" world, your perspective of right and wrong will be hugely different from Ben's - he only has experience of living on the island, where as we know things are massively different from anywhere else in the world!!

I think he is great, I love the fact that he is enigmatic!

The arrow through his shoulder heals with no scar but his surgical incision gets infected?
You're right. It seems inconsistent.

Did you look for a screen cap from 'I Do' to see if there was a dressing?

It took me a while to be sure, but I have to admit I'm wrong about this.

I thought that this was a dressing, but it's something lying on top of the sheet that just overlaps onto his shoulder
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostseason3episode60400sd1.jpg

It's quite clear in this shot that there is no dressing (and no scar either!)
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostseason3episode60170rw1.jpg

Leyosura, love your new avi. Isabel rocks.

Reasons why I Really Like Ben, parts 8,094,482 and so on:BEN: The cavalry has arrived, at lastHahaha. I love Michael Emerson.BEN: We had an excellent surgeon, Jack. His name was EthanOooohhhh, burn Jack! OK, Ben, you had an excellent surgeon who went nuts, didn't keep his cool, but I loved the way Michael said "His name was Ethan". :)BEN: And, here we go againHahahahaha. I loved the way he looked up, saw Alex and sort of collapsed ever-so-slightly, as if to say "Thank God, Alex is here". I also loved that bit at the beach, how he smiled when he saw Jack was coming with him on the smaller boat that was taking him to the bigger boat. Nice of Tom to hold up the umbrella too! :)

Welcome to The Others, Jack. I think you'll fit in well. Um, could you please shower and shave though? :) :biggrin:

Leyosura, love your new avi. Isabel rocks.

Thanks, JB.
But I think I might have to change it soon - after looking at her for a couple of days her stare is starting to seriously unsettle me! :hide:


I loved the way he looked up, saw Alex and sort of collapsed ever-so-slightly, as if to say "Thank God, Alex is here".

Yet another take on that Ben/Alex moment.
How can such a seemingly insignificant moment be open to such different interpretation?


Reasons why I Really Like Ben, parts 8,094,482 and so on:Hahaha.
I love Michael Emerson.
Oooohhhh, burn Jack! OK, Ben, you had an excellent surgeon who went nuts, didn't keep his cool, but I loved the way Michael said "His name was Ethan". I also loved that bit at the beach, how he smiled when he saw Jack was coming with him on the smaller boat that was taking him to the bigger boat. Nice of Tom to hold up the umbrella too! :)


Yes, ME definitely stole the show this week. Again. With five lines.

The Ethan line was a classic, and I love the moment when Jack tells Ben that he's stuck with him, and Ben replies "Am I?".
I mean, the guy is heavily sedated, but he can still see Jack's next move coming from a mile away!

Tom was a darling too. Bless him.
The whole umbrella scene made me giggle. I expected Tom to start fanning him and peeling him grapes! :biggrin:

But I think I might have to change it soon - after looking at her for a couple of days her stare is starting to seriously unsettle me!Hahahaha, Isabel rules. "Why don't you check on your father, sweetheart? I know he'd appreciate it". Love the way Ms. Scarwid delivered that line, so full of sarcasm. Where's your "basket-weaving" snarkiness now, Alex, huh? HUH? Ooohhh, don't want Isabel staring at you, do you? :)Yet another take on that Ben/Alex moment.
How can such a seemingly insignificant moment be open to such different interpretation?Sorry, I kind of avoid the episode threads, what's the other interpretation? I mean, it's wrong, but I'd love to hear it. :biggrin:The whole umbrella scene made me giggle. I expected Tom to start fanning him and peeling him grapes!Hahahaha. Much as I love Tom, he's not exactly my idea of the hunky slave guy who normally does the fanning and the peeling. :)

Hey ... if there's any fanning and peeling to be done for Ben, *I* want to do it! :in_love:

Sorry, I kind of avoid the episode threads, what's the other interpretation? I mean, it's wrong, but I'd love to hear it.

My interpretation was a bit different. Ben:cool: cranes his neck to see who is there and when he sees Alex in the corner all defensive her arms folded and face scowling he just sort of thunks his head down on the table in defeat. If Ben had been upright he would have been hitting his head against a wall. What I saw was a gesture that said -I have just so blown this relationship and I don't know what to do to make it better and get my little girl back. Ben is so use to being in control. He controls Juliet, he controls Jack but he cannot control a 16 year old girl in love. It's a hard lesson that all fathers must learn.

Being a parent I know the sound of that thunk only too well.:redface:

Lobby, well put! It's a hard lesson that all fathers must learnIn the case of my dad and my older sister, some fathers never do. :( I think it's great how those little moments get filtered through our experiences and whatnot to give different shadings of meaning.

I think it's great how those little moments get filtered through our experiences and whatnot to give different shadings of meaning.


Wonder what Michael was trying to convey with that gesture or what the script instructed him to do? I have no doubt it involves Ben's:cool: relationship with Alex. I don't think he would misread her body language as concern for him. She won’t even call him Dad any more. How that has to hurt! If my kid did that to me, it would make me sick. Ben must be afraid he will be forced to put Alex in room 23 next or look like he is playing favoritism. She and Karl seem of one mind and if Karl is thinking unOther- like thoughts, so probably is she.

Another Lost mystery solved.:undecide: I have been fantatheorizing about the sexy chest hair revealing white outfits the Others wore at Colleen’s funeral. It seemed like a uniform, something that said cult perhaps? Today it dawned on me why they seemed so familiar. The top part resembles the top part of the gowns our candidates wear for their Holy Saturday baptisms. You don’t want to wear your new Easter clothes into what is basically a large hot tub. Not to mention modesty issues; a wet T shirt contest during baptism is just so not appropriate. That’s probably all those cool outfits were about, just clothes to wear when you had to be dressed in the ocean. :confused: Sigh.

He's Definitely my favourite character, I don't think think he's evil, but even if he is, he's awesome...... so often bad guys are written with so much character, and good guys are just lame, so I hope he's good...

Superb Acting too.

I don't think he would misread her body language as concern for him. She won’t even call him Dad any more. How that has to hurt!Well, after the great The Man from Tallahassee, we've got lots more Ben/Alex stuff to wonder about. :)

"No, John, unfortunately we don't have a code for 'there's a man in my closet with a gun to my daughter's head'. Although we obviously should". Hahahahaha. :biggrin:

"But you should know my daughter currently hates me. So I'm not sure that holding me hostage is your best option". "DAD!". Wow, there's so many ways to look at that; Alex' "DAD!" may have been a combination of "Yeah, I'm not digging your actions these days, but hate? Nah" and "Dad, stop with the manipulating thing already, 'kay?". Poor Ben is really gonna know what Alex hating him is like when she finds about Danielle. :sob: :down:

I loved that while John was munching on the chicken, Ben wheels over to the cluster of Alex pictures on the wall and looks at them, really bummed out. I love how they're slowly peeling away layers of Ben and Alex' relationship; when Danielle shows up and Alex realizes who she is, I might have to buy stock in Kleenex, I'm going to need boxes of the damn things. :bawling:

"I know you, John Locke". Wow, does he. I have issue with Ben hitching his wagon to John "Kerrraaazzzzyyyyy" Locke, but hey, he's done alright so far.