I agree with others that Locke is central to the plot.* Due to his military-like behavior and previous knowledge of many of the workings of the island, I think it is his “Mission” to uncover/steal/destroy/reveal or whatever the secret of the island is. (And I do not believe the secret he wanted to tell Walt was that he can now miraculously walk.)*

I think the Others are guarding this secret. And I think every valid scientific fact and piece of information researched on this website forms the basis of the overall structure that contains this secret.* I think the Others sent in Ethan to gather information on the survivors – specifically Locke and Claire.* Not sure if Ethan is human, or simply took the form of a human.* I think the Others need to find out what they are dealing with (as in good survivors vs. bad survivors) and want to protect Claire’s baby. (The Other’s may have been warning Claire about Locke though her dream/memory.)*

I think in turn, Locke is systematically testing then observing each survivor because he’s forming a team.* I’m not sure if the testing is for the Survivors good – or he’s simply using them to further his is own purpose.

I think Kate and Locke are somehow in this together.* She constantly backs up everything he says and they seem to be purposefully holding a distance. The Marshals last breath was a warning to not trust her and she almost smirked when Jack joking referred to her as a Terrorist.* The looks exchanged between Kate and Locke during the telling of the boar story were, well, odd. Sometimes, such as in the case of Sawyer – it seemed like Locke was manipulating rather than helping.* For all I know Lock’s story about his Mom and sister could have been a load of crap.

Locks appears to be dealing first with fundamentally good people with major weakness and issues - Boone, Charlie, Sawyer.* I think Locke tried to mess with Jack but it didn’t work, he was too exceptionally strong, pure and good in character.* True, Locke saved Jack from his fall off the cliff – but I think Locke still needs Jack to be the perceived leader and needs the “Doc”* for his medical skills. The Others may have helped lead Jack to water to help Claire’s needs.

We were told Claire goodness is critical to raising her child.* I think Locke is using Charlie to keep Claire close to him.* I’m hoping Sayid stays good and true as well.* Locke wants Sayid on his side, but I’m not sure he’s there yet.*

Why would the Other’s string up Charlie? Why did Ethan kill a Survivor? – either someone else entirely did it or the Other’s felt that Locke’s needed a warning.

Wow, lots of fresh new perspectives in this/

(And I do not believe the secret he wanted to tell Walt was that he can now miraculously walk.)

Right!* One of those pieces of "information" that isn't one really, we don't know what Locke said, we assume.

I think Kate and Locke are somehow in this together.

Speaking of that, something was bothering me yesterday but I'd have to watch it again to be sure: Kate told Jack she knew the tail had come off, but she couldn't bring herself to look back and see it. (That's not verbatim.)* But I remember her looking back.* Just a little thing, and maybe I'm wrong, but if it's true and there are other discrepancies like that, it would go to your theory.* Kate volunteering to go to the cockpit was also kind of strange to me, and then there was her remark to Sun that she wanted to go to Fiji.

We also know she's an excellent liar, thanks to WTCMB.

I think Locke tried to mess with Jack but it didn’t work

True, Jack still argues with him a la how to look for Claire.* And his charms didn't work on Sawyer either until the last episode.* Michael couldn't stand him until he conveniently saved Walt from the bear, and the only way he's managed to get to Sayid is through his distrust of Sawyer.

For all I know Lock’s story about his Mom and sister could have been a load of crap.

Yes, awfully coincidental there -- Sawyer needs a story that involves both guilt over a death and strange animal behavior, and voila -- Locke has one.* And how does Locke deven know what Sawyer feels guilty about.

We were told Claire goodness is critical to raising her child.* I think Locke is using Charlie to keep Claire close to him.* I’m hoping Sayid stays good and true as well.* Locke wants Sayid on his side, but I’m not sure he’s there yet.*

The sequence of events makes sense: Locke manipulates Charlie first, and tries to manipulate Sayid but fails.* He hasn't bothered trying to manipulate Claire, but if she trusts Charlie he doesn't have to.

(And I do not believe the secret he wanted to tell Walt was that he can now miraculously walk.)

Right! One of those pieces of "information" that isn't one really, we don't know what Locke said, we assume.


But Walt said to Michael that Locke said to him that "A miracle happened here" so I take that as a "I can walk now !!!"

As for a strange connection between Locke and Kate, was it Kate that Locke was smiling at with the orange-peel mouth? It was so long ago now and I don't have the episodes recorded--could anyone tell me if it was?

Oh, and I totally don't think the secret was 'I can walk.' I think it was something much darker.

The other question is, did Locke tell Walt what the secret was? I don't think so, but it's up for debate.

As for a strange connection between Locke and Kate, was it Kate that Locke was smiling at with the orange-peel mouth? It was so long ago now and I don't have the episodes recorded--could anyone tell me if it was?

Indeed it was !

The other question is, did Locke tell Walt what the secret was? I don't think so, but it's up for debate.


I don't think so, I think he just said to Walt that a miracle happened here.

Regarding the secret - I still have no clue what it was... might be the ability to walk, might be something completely different.... - I'm sure he told him.
Why?
If you hint at a kid that you have a secret to share and then don't tell him/her about it... he/she will annyo the hell out of you until you did. ::)

The looks exchanged between Kate and Locke during the telling of the boar story were, well, odd.
Agreed. They were.
But they were merely saying 'What was in his coffee?!'
Before Sawyer started to listen closely, he and Kate exchanged pretty much the same looks...

As for Ethan - we have no proof that he killed Scott. Steve. Uhm.. Sceve...

He said he'd kill people, yes. And someone died, yes.
But was it Ethan? Would Ethan have broken every bone in the victims arms and hands and his neck? I'd say he would have gone with the neck only... he's apparently so fixated on grabbing people's necks he wouldn't have cared about arms and hands ;)

I forgot all about that coffee. Could Locke have drugged them both? It's not like he hasn't done it before.

Wow, this General Theories is going to take some getting used to.

I had typed a spoiler answer before I realized where I was and deleted it.

*backs out of the room quietly* :innocent:

Wow, this General Theories is going to take some getting used to.

I had typed a spoiler answer before I realized where I was and deleted it.

*backs out of the room quietly* :innocent:


Well, we're glad you realized. ;D And thanks for getting rid of it.


I forgot all about that coffee. Could Locke have drugged them both? It's not like he hasn't done it before.


But Sawyer was hearing all the voices and stuff before the coffee . . .

Ah right.* But the staring boar was after the coffee.* Okay, it's far-fetched, but I'm making a mental note anyway to keep track of anything Locke gives people to eat, drink or apply to themselves.* *:laugh:* For all we know, he's been tampering with the boar meat all this time.*

Ah right. But the staring boar was after the coffee. Okay, it's far-fetched, but I'm making a mental note anyway to keep track of anything Locke gives people to eat, drink or apply to themselves. :laugh: For all we know, he's been tampering with the boar meat all this time.


Yes, but they haven't had boar in quite a while. If he were using the boar as a mechanism to deliver his drugs, don't you think he'd be more interested in bringing home the bacon? :laugh:

Maybe he's just putting stuff straight into the water supply now.* *:laugh:* Really, I know this is a blind alley because everyone would be hallucinating by now if he were tampering with meat or water, but if anyone sees or hears things that nobody else sees or hears, I want to know what they've been drinking, just in case.

Hey, maybe it's because they've been eating the magical boars that they're all hallucinating! :lol2:

OK, maybe not.

Wow, this General Theories is going to take some getting used to.

I had typed a spoiler answer before I realized where I was and deleted it.

*backs out of the room quietly* :innocent:


It's cool.

General Theories is so that the unspoiled can speculate in safety. Spoiled posters are totally welcome here, so long as they don't bring spoilery knowledge with them. :)

Like... you might ned to "pretend you don't know stuff"

WAAAIIT wait wait.... Locke DID do something to just about everyone he's influenced up to date.

He gave the compass AND a knife to Syid.

He gave the pencil/pen to Michael.

He gave a knife to Boone.

He gave the coffee to Kate and Sawyer. (someone mentioned that the piglet spoiled this idea... the piglet was part of KATE's vision)

He gave a secret to Walt. (this is a stretch, I know)


What other "gifts" has he given to people? Consumed and or otherwise.

Didn't he give water to Jack after pulling him off that Cliff? Of course, Jack was already seeing things at that point. He also gave Walt the dog, sort of.

I'd like to think as Vincent as another charater

That would mean that ... oh ...yes I'll type it.... OH HELL...vincent's perception of what's going on wouldn't be a "dog's" perception persey but more of what a human would perceive as a dog's perception.

OHHHH the circular references are dizzying.... :sick:

He's another character, but he was what Walt wanted most at that point.* And since then he's continued to give Walt what he wants -- attention, and knives.

He gave Charlie his guitar

WAAAIIT wait wait....* *Locke DID do something to just about everyone he's influenced up to date

Good Grief!* I missed all of that! :-[

Can we verify that Locke found Charlie's guitar?

OHHH i thought of another. Didn't he AND Ethan bring the golf clubs to Hurley??? :o

I don't remember, but if they did that's really interesting.* *And if there is a reason behind everything, maybe there was some hidden agenda in getting all the Lostaways involved in a golf game.

I don't remember, but if they did that's really interesting.* *And if there is a reason behind everything, maybe there was some hidden agenda in getting all the Lostaways involved in a golf game.


Yeah. The immediate reason that gets into my mind is that this would get everyone in one place. Maybe so that the others could search through their stuff or something?

Or maybe it was Ethan's way of just showing up and pretending to be there all along. "Well, hey, I was at the golf game, remember?"

Here's a thought.... maybe the golf clubs were a test.

Hurley doesn't use the club part as a club, but instead gives everyone a golf course.


I think during that eppie, Locke decided.... "Nope, Hurley's not one of us."

WhiteSapphire - This is a question for you (Sorry, everyone else can just skip over this - I couldn't find the answer) but why do you have circles instead of stars?? (I know posts =stars)
Did you do an extra credit project to get more "post"age??? * :laugh: *

It's because most of my posts (~7000 of them to be exact) are in the games threads. It's just to differentiate games. You can find more about it in the first post of the 'Games' section.

Btw, they're supposed to be backgammon pieces. :)