Someone refresh my memory please since it's been a while...
Rousseau was originally a scientist right? She was traveling with a scientific team which included her husband. Her husband became ill and she had to kill him.

My question is this: If Rousseau was a part of the scientific team, Ben HAD to know when Rousseau arrived on the island - just like Ben know when the lostaways' plane crashed and dispatched a team of people to "get close".

If Ben kept tabs on Rousseau and the team...why didn't he capture one of the scientists on board (since it's clear Ben wants scientists/doctors)? My theory is Ben needs SPECIFIC doctors in order to complete whatever mission he has...whatever Rousseau's husband did and whatever Rousseau did would not be of help to Ben.

Is this perhaps a key to getting off the island?

I'm unsure about the timeline regarding Danielle's crash and Ben's time on the island. Ben said he was BORN on the island, which would mean he's been there around 40+ years. Danielle and her crew crashed 16 years ago. You would think if Ben was in his mid 20's he probably would have been heavily involved in the research at that time so he would have known a lot about the island. How did they never know she, or the other scientists, were there? :confused:

I thought awhile back that perhaps Danielle was the one who was sick. Perhaps her team was really the Others and since she is sick, she THINKS they are dead. They can't help her so they've let her roam about on the island and Ben is taking care of her daughter.

Well it's a theory anyway! There's not too many ways to reconcile the whole Danielle story with the Ben story IF they are both telling the truth (and that's a big IF). ;)

Ben did not HAVE to know Rousseau and team were on the island. There obviously isn't surveillance on the entire island. If, at the very least, Desmond could arrive at Lostie beach and Sayid/Sun/Jin could sail around a day+ before Ben and the Others discovered the Losties had access to a boat, who's to say that a research vessel run aground - at night, in a storm, at some undisclosed point near the island - would definitely be noticed? If they can't even catch Alex and her outrigger approaching Alcatraz, their surveillance can't be entirely thorough.

Of course, that's subject to interpretation, based on your take on when people are able to crash on the island (e.g., only at certain times when there are openings).

Ben did not HAVE to know Rousseau and team were on the island. There obviously isn't surveillance on the entire island. If, at the very least, Desmond could arrive at Lostie beach and Sayid/Sun/Jin could sail around a day+ before Ben and the Others discovered the Losties had access to a boat, who's to say that a research vessel run aground - at night, in a storm, at some undisclosed point near the island - would definitely be noticed? If they can't even catch Alex and her outrigger approaching Alcatraz, their surveillance can't be entirely thorough.

Well, he would have had to know at some point, since the Others take Alex from Danielle. ;) But yes, it's obvious that the Others aren't always immediately aware of everything that's going on around the island.

I wonder if Ben even would have been in charge back then? He only would have been twenty-five-ish.

An interesting thought ...with Rousseau's daughter saying Ben is her father, maybe Rousseau, her Mother, was planted as a spy on the other island, and her capturing Ben was a ploy to get him in to see the crash survivors. Which would mean Rousseau has been lying all along!

I'm unsure about the timeline regarding Danielle's crash and Ben's time on the island. Ben said he was BORN on the island, which would mean he's been there around 40+ years. Danielle and her crew crashed 16 years ago. You would think if Ben was in his mid 20's he probably would have been heavily involved in the research at that time so he would have known a lot about the island. How did they never know she, or the other scientists, were there? :confused:

I thought awhile back that perhaps Danielle was the one who was sick. Perhaps her team was really the Others and since she is sick, she THINKS they are dead. They can't help her so they've let her roam about on the island and Ben is taking care of her daughter.

Well it's a theory anyway! There's not too many ways to reconcile the whole Danielle story with the Ben story IF they are both telling the truth (and that's a big IF). ;)

I am leaning that way myself, I think that Rousseau (if she is not an Other playing the crazy card) is the one who is sick and the Others just left her there for some reason, and Ben is taking care of his daughter. The whole Rousseau story depends on if she is an Other or not. If she, is then she is just playing us all, if she is not then its a complicated story that will take a Ben flashback episode to explain it. I personally hope she is an Other!:biggrin:

Ben said he was BORN on the island.

This could be a metaphor. Maybe Ben was reborn on the island.

My question is this: If Rousseau was a part of the scientific team, Ben HAD to know when Rousseau arrived on the island - just like Ben know when the lostaways' plane crashed and dispatched a team of people to "get close".

Well... A plane crash like that IS kinda obvious to ANYONE, since it caused a small earthquake and loud explosions and stuff.

If, at the very least, Desmond could arrive at Lostie beach and Sayid/Sun/Jin could sail around a day+ before Ben and the Others discovered the Losties had access to a boat, who's to say that a research vessel run aground - at night, in a storm, at some undisclosed point near the island - would definitely be noticed?


Yes, exactly.

Now why didn't ROUSSEAU notice the plane crashing?????? The way she was against Sayid when she first met him indicates that she didn't know about the plane crash at all. Which is weird, considering the above mentioned quake and noise.

Now why didn't ROUSSEAU notice the plane crashing?????? The way she was against Sayid when she first met him indicates that she didn't know about the plane crash at all. Which is weird, considering the above mentioned quake and noise.

Good point. I hope there's a reasonable explanation and that it's not just a plot hole.

I wonder if/when we see Danielle again, she'll ask about the "sky turning purple."

Danielle may be sick but I just dont know, I do know that I dont trust Danielle at all because
1) She has Sayid and didnt know about the plane crash.
2) Has said that she has been there for 16 years and doesnt find a single Hatch
3) Claims to have never seen and Other but they took Alex from her
4)When she has Ben and says that he is one of them, how does she know that if she has never seen them
5) Didnt even know about Desmonds BOAT

I really want a Flashback story for her because I think it would help alot

Danielle may be sick but I just dont know, I do know that I dont trust Danielle at all because
1) She has Sayid and didnt know about the plane crash.

4)When she has Ben and says that he is one of them, how does she know that if she has never seen them


What has always puzzled me is why did she interrogate (and torture) Sayid to try and find out where Alex was, but she didn't do the same to Ben when she had the opportunity?

It seems a little inconsistent to me. :confused:

What has always puzzled me is why did she interrogate (and torture) Sayid to try and find out where Alex was, but she didn't do the same to Ben when she had the opportunity?

It seems a little inconsistent to me. :confused:

Yeah I know, unless she is an Other herself

I too have been thinking a lot about Danielle since the "Not in Portland" episode when we got confirmation that Alex is Ben's (real/adopted/whatever) "daughter," and since we saw the brainwashing sequence with Karl.

From the beginning Danielle's story seemed so bizarre and so incapable of being completely plausible, for various reasons (many which have been mentioned in this thread). She killed her entire team and yet no evidence of bodies or graves, and no explanation for why she didn't get sick, too. No evidence of her boat either... Yet the characters, and viewers (including myself for a long time) were willing to take everything she said as absolutely true, because she seems sympathetic to our losties. She seems to believe what she is saying.

All this led me to the idea (which may not be original, I'm sure someone has thought something similar) that perhaps Danielle was, in fact, an Other, and was Ben's wife/whatever and that Alex was their biological child. For whatever reason, when it came time to give birth, Danielle rebelled against the others. Alex was taken and Danielle was cast off - but not before experiencing brainwashing or "deprogramming" to make her believe a story about her being with a team of researchers, etc.

It is late so I'm not being as detailed about this theory as it is in my head, but I'm open to ideas or thoughts on this. I just think there has got to be more to Danielle than we know, and that the story we currently believe about her is not exactly how it happened.

Whatever the case, she is by far one of the most intriguing characters to me!

Maybe Rousseau (and her team) went to the island like Juliet (with invitation?¿)....maybe she was engage like Juliet, and maybe she saw to much (or sommeone makes him too much pain, like steal her recent baby, or like an another "A Clockwork Orange (http://imdb.com/title/tt0066921/)" torture) and then she goes crazy....

Ben was probably born on the island, but has he said he's never left?

Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but I don't think Rousseu ever specifically said that she killed her husband, just that she killed the others on her team. Maybe Ben came back to the island as a member of Rousseu's team...her husband.

That would be one way to reconcile their two stories. Also, it would make sense as to why Ben and the Others raised Alex with the name Rousseu gave her.

All this led me to the idea (which may not be original, I'm sure someone has thought something similar) that perhaps Danielle was, in fact, an Other, and was Ben's wife/whatever and that Alex was their biological child. For whatever reason, when it came time to give birth, Danielle rebelled against the others. Alex was taken and Danielle was cast off - but not before experiencing brainwashing or "deprogramming" to make her believe a story about her being with a team of researchers, etc.

I never thought of deprogramming! Good Idea! you're right that her entire sotry just does not add up even though she believes it. I think a Rousseau flash back would be awesome and would tell us a great deal of knowlege, well only if TPTB allow it so!:biggrin:

Ben was probably born on the island, but has he said he's never left?



My thoughts exactly. :rolleyes:

Ben said that he has lived there all of his life

Ben was probably born on the island, but has he said he's never left?

Good point, I bet he has.