Got this from the lost-tv.com website.

Tuesday, February 22, 2005
The Boston Globe - TV characters' names often say something about who they are
...The name game is something the makers of "Lost" have played quite shrewdly. J.J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof have been deliberate and provocative in their choices, using names that gesture outward from the series. "Every single name on the show has purpose and meaning," Lindelof has said. The most conspicuous is John Locke, a character named after the 17th century philosopher who believed humans are born in a state of "tabula rasa," a phrase meaning "blank slate" that also served as the title of a "Lost" episode. The show's Locke (Terry O'Quinn) was "reborn" after the plane crash and returned to his original, unparalyzed state. Jack (Matthew Fox) is the de facto leader of the island's society, thus his appropriate surname is Shephard - a pun on one who tends to the flock, with a passing nod to space pioneer Alan Shepard. Other "Lost" characters have namesakes redolent of early Americana - Boone, Walt and Sawyer, for example....

What could some of these actually mean? Daniel Boone; Walt Disney; Tom Sawyer :o
What are some of the other full names of characters?

Good beacause I couldn't think of any other Walts presently.

Someone said that Claire and Lucy (Charlie's flashback girlfriend) both mean 'light' or having to do with 'light'. Charlie's metaphor was the 'moth' *and moths are drawn to the 'light'.

Also he had that brown 'bucket' shirt on during 'Homecoming'.. Didn't someone mention that Charlie Bucket was the boy in Willy Wonka who after temptation choose to do the right thing.. Maybe Charlie will be severely tempted in future episodes.

since disney owns abc, i wouldnt doubt he is not named after walt disney,

Does anyone know their full names? Maybe those that have common names, like Kate or Charlie's, have more meaningful last names?

I've thought this all along. Some are more obvious than others (SAWYER the southern con man, Jack Shepherd, leading his flock, Locke and Rousseau, as mentioned) Any other thoughts? Daniel BOONE? So far, our Boone seems like the antithesis of the able fronteirsman. What else can we come up with?

What was Hurley's real name? ???

How about Victor Hugo?

Victor Hugo, the premier writer of the 19th century, through his vast and powerful collection of works, takes his place among the literary greats. His genius of words puts him in the company of Shakespeare, Dante, Homer, and several others, producing masterpieces built to withstand time and eternally touch the human heart.

I've thought this all along.* Some are more obvious than others (SAWYER the southern con man, Jack Shepherd, leading his flock, Locke and Rousseau, as mentioned)* Any other thoughts?* Daniel BOONE?* So far, our Boone seems like the antithesis of the able fronteirsman.* What else can we come up with?


That might be the point. Eventually he may well become like Daniel Boone. I want to be there when that happens though.. :D

Claire's last name is Littleton.

Yes, like that town in the middle of Colorado that is known for a - being the hometown and inspiration of the South Park creators, but mostly b - the school shooting in 1999.

If that's really the inspiration then it is a pretty sinister name to give a pregnant girl.


Also someone mentioned that Hibbs might be a clever reference to the philosopher Hobbes whose theories about human nature opposed both Rousseau's and Locke's.

I think we're on to something here guys. This deserves some proper digging! :o

Here's what we know:

Kate Ryan
Shannon Rutherford
Boone Carlisle
Jack Shepard
John Locke
Michael Dawson
Claire Littleton
Charlie Pace
Frank (James) Sawyer
Hugo (Hurley) Reyes
Vincent
Jin ?
Sun?
Walt ?
Sayid ?

Also:
Ethan Rom
Danielle Rousseau
Alex
? Hibbs

Yeah, that's a good question. We had this discussion on another thread but nothing really came of it. I think he could have been using Sawyer for a while and just had a fake ID made. I think the writers might have pointed it out if it was an issue.

This is just a copy from what I posted on the Shannon thread about her name

Shannon Rutherford

Shannon: From the name of the Shannon River, the longest river in Ireland. It is composed of the Gaelic elements sean "old, wise" and abhann "river".

Rutherford: From the lands of Rutherford on the river Tweed, in the parish of Maxton, Roxburgshire, Scotland. The name is derived from the Welsh Ruthr, rushing, swift, and fford, a ford or way.

The first name meaning is from behindthename.com and the last name is from last-names.net

But that's assuming that they typed names into name translators and such. But, perhaps because of my ancestory, when I hear the name 'Shannon' I think Shannon River...

I am so in love with this thread I swear to god I want to print it out!

This is just such cool stuff and I am SURE we can dig and find more references.

This is about the most important Rutherford I can find...
Rutherford - A Brief Biography

John Campbell
j.campbell@phys.canterbury.ac.nz

(All material is from my book Rutherford Scientist Supreme. The text of this version of the many brief biographies I have written on Rutherford appeared in edited form in the June 2001 issue of The World and I magazine, a publication of the Washington Times Corporation. www.worldandimag.com )

Ernest Rutherford is one of the most illustrious scientists of all time.

He is to the atom what Darwin is to evolution, Newton to mechanics, Faraday to electricity and Einstein to relativity. His pathway from rural child to immortality is a fascinating one.

Rutherford's works ensure his immortality. As the The New York Times stated, in a eulogy accompanying the announcement of his unexpected and unnecessary death in 1937.
" It is given to but few men to achieve immortality, still less to achieve Olympian rank, during their own lifetime. Lord Rutherford achieved both. In a generation that witnessed one of the greatest revolutions in the entire history of science he was universally acknowledged as the leading explorer of the vast infinitely complex universe within the atom, a universe that he was first to penetrate."

Not for him the fame based on one discovery. He radically altered our understanding of nature on three separate occasions. Through brilliantly conceived experiments, and with special insight, he explained the perplexing problem of radioactivity as the spontaneous disintegration of atoms (they were not necessarily stable entities as had been assumed since the time of the ancient Greeks), he determined the structure of the atom and he was the world's first successful alchemist (he converted nitrogen into oxygen). Or put another way, he was first to split the atom.

Any of his secondary discoveries, such as dating the age of the Earth, would have given fame to a lesser scientist. For example, the first method invented to detect individual nuclear particles by electrical means, the Rutherford-Geiger detector, evolved into the Geiger-Muller tube. The modern smoke detector, responsible for saving so many lives in house fires, can be traced back to 1899 when, at McGill University in Canada, Rutherford blew tobacco smoke into his ionisation chamber and observed the change in ionisation.

Interesting Lepeka. I think maybe the names might serve to highlight historical figures though. The most obvious ones have been listed above. Rutherford might have to do with physicist Ernst Rutherford.

I am so in love with this thread I swear to god I want to print it out!

This is just such cool stuff and I am SURE we can dig and find more references.


Right on Butterkup! I think this could be a goldmine of info if we can get some of our noodles churning. ;D

Speaking of Claire / Lucy i did notice that Rutherford B. Hayes (the President) his wife's name was Lucy Hayes. I don't know what it means or anything of course but Lucy is not that common a name and neither really is the Rutherford part of Shannon's name....

ACK I could go mad! I don't even need to be ON the island!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess this is the LUCY reference...I just read this on another thread so we've got this one nailed down! (I think but it makes sense since Watership Down is so seemingly EVERYWHERE in our little story world!) :lol2:

Yep, the title was "Dea ex Machina"

Chapter 48: Dea ex Machina summary:

Lucy, the little girl who lives on the farm, hears squealing and rescues Hazel from her cat. She wants to show the hurt rabbit to the doctor, who comes over just as the dog comes back, with a bad scratch on his nose and a bite on his leg. The doctor says the rabbit is fine, and he offers to give Lucy a ride to somewhere they can let it go. She lets it go right at the base of Watership Down.


'On the ridge between Hare Warren Down and Watership Down, Doctor Adams stopped the car. 'I should think this would be as good as anywhere,' he said.'There's not a lot of harm he can do here, if you come to think about it.' They walked a short distance eastwards from the road and Lucy set the rabbit down. It sat stupefied for nearly half a minute and then suddenly dashed away over the grass.'

Boone is becoming a bit of an explorer/frontiersman now though! *Plus, he's supposedly about to make some big discoveries out in the jungle soon. *Once he gets over his ineffectuality (is that even a word?) he has the potential to be a PREMIER explorer and warrior.

Hugo Reyes, um, I've seen some talk on here about it before. *I know that Reyes means like "king" or "regal", a name historically used for rulers. *I'm not sure about Hugo though, I am getting somewhat conflicting meanings on it, but Hurley does seem to have a benevolent regal air about him amongst the lostaways.

We haven't seen/heard Sayid's last name yet anywhere, have we?

Interesting Lepeka. I think maybe the names might serve to highlight historical figures though. The most obvious ones have been listed above. Rutherford might have to do with physicist Ernst Rutherford.


Let me revise this. In the article that began this thead, it was noted that Jack's last name Shepherd had to do with his role, or something intrinsic to him. So let's not forget this when trying to think of connections.

Hugo Reyes, um, I've seen some talk on here about it before. I know that Reyes means like "king" or "regal", a name historically used for rulers. I'm not sure about Hugo though, I am getting somewhat conflicting meanings on it, but Hurley does seem to have a benevolent regal air about him amongst the lostaways.


This makes sense because:

In Numbers we learn he is is a wealthy man due to the lottery. A king among peasents

The name of Sun's father was listed in a thread about this week's episode. *If we can find it, it will give us her madien name at least.

Michael means "like God" according to most sources, and Dawson, most etymology sources think is another spelling of Davidson aka Son of David, David being the Biblical figure most famous for bringing down Goliath.

I think the "like God" bit will come way more into play in seasons after this one, when he will probably become responsible for things like building homes & such for the lostaways. *Whatever his future holds, it's probably gonna be pretty big.

Walt took his mother's last name, didn't he? *She even said it in Special, but I can't remember what it was! *I think it started with an "L".

Oh man, that Hugo/Hugh thing...suddenly his role in the show makes SO MUCH FRIGGIN SENSE!

Walter Lloyd.

In episode 15 - In translation, here is the Guest Starring: Joey Yu as Byung Hans, Angelica Perreria as Byung Hann Daughter, Kiya Lee as Byung Hann Wife, Chil Kong as White Suit Man, John Choi as Butler, Byron Chung as Mr. Paik.

It will tell who Jin works for and what he does with Sun father. For the spoilers, now we know that Sun maiden last name is Paik. Mr. Paik is Sun father. With marriage to Jin its by last name Kwon.

so now we have

Jin Kwon and Sun Paik Kwon

so now we have

Jim Kwon and Sun Paik Kwon


Wow! So now we have

Here's what we know:

Kate Ryan
Shannon Rutherford
Boone Carlisle
Jack Shepard
John Locke
Michael Dawson
Claire Littleton
Charlie Pace
Frank (James) Sawyer
Hugo (Hurley) Reyes
Vincent
Jin Kwon
Sun Paik Kwon
Walter Lloyd
Sayid ?

Also:
Ethan Rom
Danielle Rousseau
Alex
? Hibbs

Did you guys know that Walt Whitman wrote "The Mystic Trumpeter"? I wonder if there's any connection there?

OMG let's not forget two of the most important flashback-only characters so far - Nadia and CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD. *I think Christian's first name can easily be connected to themes he (and lots of other characters) embody: forgiveness, faith, honoring one's father, etc.

Michael and Locke seem to always be at odds with each other, which is interesting in that the real-life Locke's naturalism suggested that humans draw spiritual strength from the land, whereas Michael ("like God") seems to be the least 'in touch' with the island of all the castaways. *Plus, Michael seems to expect certain things from Walt for being what he is - a 10 year old - whereas Locke (in line with real-life Locke's tabula rosa theory) sees nothing but potential for growth in Walt.

How can that not mean anything? What a great post GotBack! And how could Christian Shepard possibly be a random thing :lol2:

The more i read the more I love this!

Updated

Kate Ryan
Shannon Rutherford
Boone Carlisle
Jack Shepard
John Locke
Michael Dawson
Claire Littleton
Charlie Pace
Frank (James) Sawyer
Hugo (Hurley) Reyes
Vincent
Jin Kwon
Sun Paik Kwon
Walter Lloyd
Sayid ?

Also:
Ethan Rom
Danielle Rousseau
Alex
Christian Shepard
Rose
Scott
Steve
Sullivan (Hives guy)
Liam Pace
Nadia
Frank Duckett
? Hibbs

Walt's mother was Susan Lloyd, his adoptive father was Brian Porter.
FWIW, Nadia's full name is Noor Abed Jazeem.
The guy who had hives is Sullivan.

Scott?
Steve?

I've updated the names above. We really need Sayid's last name.

I don't remember at any time hearing Sayid's last name...but maybe it was on his army clothes or something? Could that be? Anyone have that tape? ::)

Oh yeah! On his name tag it says:

Hello, and welcome to Walmart! My name is: SAYID.

OH GREAT :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

I can't stand it.

Are we sure that Sayid is a first name?

I don't remember at any time hearing Sayid's last name...but maybe it was on his army clothes or something?* Could that be? Anyone have that tape?* *::)


Unless someone can read arabic it wouldn't be of much use to us. Do we have any arabic speaking members?

A lot of arabic surnames are based off of where one lives. He was from Tikrit in Iraq, so he could be Sayid al Tikriti.... more than likely there is another patronym between his first name and the provincial name though.

As for Boone, although he is famous as a frontiersman, its good to recall that he wasn't really successful at it. You can read some of his history here. (http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/HNS/Boone/smithhome.html) He was admittedly screwed over by the government a lot, but that doesn't change the fact that he died poor.

In short, Danel Boone is more like Lost's Boone than previously thought -- a man with pretty good intentions who tend to have bad results.

Lucy is most likely named after the Beatles song Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds - fitting name for the girlfriend of a guy who has the lyrics of Strawberry Fields Forever tattooed on his arm.

Liam - leadsinger of a British band for which his brother writes the songs for? Dude, Oasis could sue Lost for ripping off their biographical details.

As for Frank Duckett - wasn't Robert Patrick's character on the X-Files named "Doggett"? Sounds very similar, doesn't it?

Im not sure if this has been noted yet but Sayid does mean chief or leader....

Walt:
Some interesting Walt Whitman quotes: (Walt was a great lover of nature)


After you have exhausted what there is in business, politics, conviviality, and so on - have found that none of these finally satisfy, or permanently wear - what remains? Nature remains.


Now I see the secret of making the best person: it is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth.

Here's what we know:

Kate Ryan <assuming this is her correct name, she used the name "Ryan" in the "Maggie" flashback, perhaps as a nod to TV's The Fugitive)
Shannon Rutherford
Boone Carlisle <"Carslyle", KY is the final home of Daniel BOONE>
Jack Shephard
John Locke
Michael Dawson
Claire Littleton
Charlie Pace
Frank (James) Sawyer <this has not been confirmed yet- could still be "con" name- we still don't know "Sawyer's" name yet>
Hugo (Hurley) Reyes
Vincent <played by Madison, a female doggie>
Jin ? KWON
Sun? KWON (don't know pre-marriage name yet)
Walt ? Lloyd
Sayid ? <I'm chopping at the bit to learn Sayid's last name, dammit!!!!>

Also:
Ethan Rom
Danielle Rousseau
Alex
? Hibbs

Im not sure if this has been noted yet but Sayid does mean chief or leader....


Except when it's pronounced "Sa-eed" then it means "happy". But I do think the "leader" def is a little more apropos.

If someone can find his name in Arabic (and I don't think we've been shown it yet, but I dunno), I could give a shot at sounding it out. Failing that, I know that we have at least one Arabic speaker around here- try the Sayid board thread that says "It's Saeed, not Sayid" or something to that effect.

Charlie means cocaine in English slang

Noor means light

haha sun's madien name was PAIK

I'm trying to find something significant about the name Vincent, and while there are plenty of famous Vincents, not many clues to any similarities as far as dogs go. ^^' Of course there's famous people such as Vincent van Gogh and several saints. I don't want to automatically believe that Vincent is just supposed to be a doggy name. ;)

joann *jonah (and the whale)

Mr Christian *as in Fletcher Christian Mutiny on the Bounty maybe leads some to one of the other islands

not sure if this has already been said, didn't read all the posts...

hurley's last name is reyes, which in spanish means kings...

Noor means light


Interesting...a lot of light themes. Sun..

Even Claire (clear) and Lucy (lucent) make me think of light....

Yes, like that town in the middle of Colorado that is known for a - being the hometown and inspiration of the South Park creators, but mostly b - the school shooting in 1999.

Going with the school shooting for a moment....her baby is supposed to have some sort of "danger" around it and will be "bad" without Claire's influence....I'm not saying the baby was going to be a school shooter, but could be some connection...like a killer of some sorts

Claire, means 'Clara' in spanish.. Clara is Clear in English. Hugo Reyes... Huge king..fits the big fat rich man.

Also someone mentioned that Hibbs might be a clever reference to the philosopher Hobbes whose theories about human nature opposed both Rousseau's and Locke's.


Yeah, that was me. Hobbes's view of the nature state of mankind seemed to fit well with Hibbs' cynical manipulation of Sawyer. Locke and Rouseau both wrote treatices that disagreed with some of Hobbes' ideas.

I also agree with "Duckett" sounds a lot like "Doggett" -- I suspect that was indeed an X-files nod.

Templeton

or Hobbes...as in Calvin and Hobbes.. troublemaker Calvin..imaginary tiger Hobbes.

or Hobbes...as in Calvin and Hobbes.. troublemaker Calvin..imaginary tiger Hobbes.


I don't know for sure but I would bet that that the Calvin and Hobbes* of the comics were named after the philosophers by those names


As for Vincent's name, a poster on a different thread shared that the meaning of that name is "conqueror" (and I confirmed it by looking it up)

I've also seen Claire as meaning "Clear, or Bright".

James Sawyer - Frank and Jesse James coupled with Tom Sawyer.

Walt means "Ruler of the Army"

Could that be foreshadowing?

I'm a gonna throw this out just for giggles. I thought about this a while back and did some research...

Born 1856 - Nikola Tesla - magnetic theory -
Born 1879 - Albert Einstein - contemporary with Tesla -
Born 1835 - Mark Twain - Sawyer connection, friends with Tesla -
Born 1853 - Vincent Van Gogh - Vincent connection/Artist like Mike -
Born 1899 - Alfread Hitchcock - reference to Ethan resurrecting -
Born 1819 - Walt Whitman - Walt connection ?-
Born 1862 - Claude Debussy - wrote the music to Beyond the Sea -


I just thought it was strange that all these people lived around the same time.

Didn't Walt Whitman also write the poem Splendor in the Grass? It gives a whole new meaning to the experience Locke gave to Boone.

"Scott Jackson" his name was. I think the surname Jackson is of Scottish derivation.

Here's an interesting one:

Welcome to the website of Scott Jackson, who is currently a graduate student in the Graduate Aeronautical Laboratories at the California Institute of Technology working under Dr. Shepherd in the Explosion Dynamics Lab. A description of current and past research, a publications list and contact information can be accessed using the menu on the left of this page.

Didn't Walt Whitman also write the poem Splendor in the Grass?* It gives a whole new meaning to the experience Locke gave to Boone.*

"Scott Jackson" his name was.* I think the surname Jackson is of Scottish derivation.

Here's an interesting one:

Welcome to the website of Scott Jackson, who is currently a graduate student in the Graduate Aeronautical Laboratories at the California Institute of Technology working under Dr. Shepherd in the Explosion Dynamics Lab. A description of current and past research, a publications list and contact information can be accessed using the menu on the left of this page.


Flying monsters.... explosions on planes that don't kill people.... Where did you find that Patch?

The ever-present and informative "google." I tell you, this show is an internet scavenger hunt. This may be a clue or may just be a coincidence, who knows, the fun part is trying to put it all together.

Shannon Rutherford

interesting association of 2 names, belonging to 2 of the most prominent scientists in their fields of expertise
Both are Tesla contemporaries FYI

Her name puts together the pionneers of both Computers and Nuclear Theory
Shannon also worked on genetics (his MIT thesis was called : , An Algebra for Theoretical Genetics ) and on cryptography
Rutherford is the father of the term "Half-life" for radioactive materials, he also contributed to the developpment of the Geiger counter, on a side note his face is on New-Zealand's 100 dollar notes

Claude Elwood Shannon (April 30, 1916 - February 24, 2001) has been called "the father of information theory", and was the founder of practical digital circuit design theory

Ernest Rutherford, 1st Baron Rutherford of Nelson, OM, FRS (August 30, 1871 - October 19, 1937), called "father" of nuclear physics, pioneered the orbital theory of the atom notably in his discovery of rutherford scattering off the nucleus with his gold foil experiment.

Shannon was born in Petoskey, Michigan and was a distant relative of Thomas Edison. While growing up, he worked as a messenger for Western Union.

In 1932, Shannon began studying at the University of Michigan, where he eventually encountered a course that introduced him to the works of George Boole. He graduated from the university in 1936 with two bachelor's degrees, one in electrical engineering and one in mathematics, and he then moved to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for graduate school, where he worked on Vannevar Bush's differential analyser, an analog computer.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_E._Shannon

Rutherford was born at Spring Grove, (now in Brightwater), near Nelson, New Zealand. He studied at Nelson College and Canterbury College, with three degrees and two years of research at the forefront of electrical technology.

In 1895 Rutherford travelled to England for postgraduate study at the Cavendish Laboratory, University of Cambridge (1895-1898), resident at Trinity College. There he briefly held the world record for the distance over which wireless waves were detected. During the investigation of radioactivity he coined the terms alpha, beta, and gamma rays.


His research, along with that of his protege, Sir Mark Oliphant was instrumental in the convening of the Manhattan Project. (ring a bell => blinded by the light theory)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford


Am i the only one to find it funny that Shannon dates Sayid ?
Shannon holds her first name from a man that basically if the father of the binary code ( 0 - 1 )
Sayid is an Arab, and Arabs are the ones who invented the number "0"
That is only right that they date each other

There would be more to say on the Shannon/Rutherford connection
if we really are on an island where they made experiments, the theories of those 2 scientists would undoubtedly be put together at some point

Wow tarf.... that's good research... sure seems odd that we're hitting all these BIG science/computer folk.

They all lived in the same era... I'm begining to think they've all been to the island.

Collaborated on something there.... the Black Rock. The island did to them what it's doing to the Lostaways.. gave them power and insight to solve their problems.

The Military was in on it... they knew about it and tried to cover it up... or just simply gave up on it and abandoned the idea. It's possible Kate's father uncovered what was going on and that's why something "happened" to him.

Ethan Rom.... could it be a reference to the novel "Ethan Frome"? I never read it myself... http://www.bellmore-merrick.k12.ny.us/ethanf.html has some interesting tidbits in it, but nothing that seems like a perfect fit. One potentially interesting part,

"All of that changed when Mattie, Zeena's cousin comes to stay with them. She is a young, vibrant woman who brings life to the house. Ethan ends up falling in love with her. She offers the warm qualities of a relationship that Zeena never showed."

Claire == Mattie? A young woman who brings life (unborn baby?) to the house (island)? Danielle == Zeena?

Kate Ryan

lots of things about Ryan in history, lots of references to Victoria Cross medals (Australian reward for courage in battle) (one in 1918 another Tesla contemporary)

In the 2002 Democratic primary election, Timothy J Ryan (D - Ohio) beat incumbent U.S. Rep. Thomas C. Sawyer (D-Ohio).* (strange, isn't it ? :D )
Ryan spoke on the House floor in a charismatic speech denouncing the Bush administration's denial of a draft reinstatement, comparing this to the administration's previous claims that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction (Sayid, an iraki, on an island with a Ryan and a Sawyer, i'm smiling :) )

Father Abram J. Ryan (August 15, 1839 - April 22, 1886) was a Roman Catholic poet-priest from the American South (JJ Abrams ??? lol)
Would fit in the opposition (sides) between Science and Philosophy
Some of the characters have their name derived from scientists, some from philosophers or "thinkers"
I thought i would mention Father Ryan for the record
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_J._Ryan


Michael Ryan was the name of 3 "famous" persons
- a mass murderer
- a judge in a federal court in australia
- a former chief of staff in the US Air Force

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Cornelius Ryan (5 June 1920 – 23 November 1974) was an Irish-American journalist and author mainly known for his writings on popular military history, especially World War II.

His two best-known books are The Longest Day (1959), which tells the story of the D-Day (day one of the WWII invasion of Normandy), and A Bridge Too Far (1974), which tells the story of Operation Market Garden, the ill-fated assault by airborne forces on the Netherlands culminating in the battle of Arnhem. Both books were made into major motion pictures, in 1962 and 1977, respectively.

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Claude Ryan (January 26, 1925 - February 9, 2004) was a Canadian politician and leader of the Parti libéral du Québec from 1978 to 1982.

Born in Montreal, Quebec, he was the director of Le Devoir, a French-language newspaper available in the province of Quebec, from 1964 to 1978. During his tenure at the head of the editorial staff he became known for his probity and his mastery of contemporary political issues. His advice was sought by nearly all the provincial governments of Quebec, left or right, and by opposition parties

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In 1998, William Ryan and Walter Pitman, geologists from Columbia University, published evidence that a massive flood through the Bosporus occurred about 5600 BC. Glacial meltwater had turned the Black and Caspian Seas into vast freshwater lakes, while sea levels remained lower. The fresh water lakes were emptying their waters into the Aegean. As the glaciers retreated, rivers emptying into the Black Sea reduced their volume and the water levels lowered. Then, about 5600 BC, as sea levels rose, Ryan and Pitman suggest, the rising Mediterranean finally spilled over a rocky sill at the Bosphorus. The event flooded 60,000 mile² (155,000 km²) of land, and significantly expanded the Black Sea shoreline to the north and east. Ryan and Pitman wrote:


Black Sea today and in 5600 BC according to Ryan's and Pitman's theories"Ten cubic miles [42 km³] of water poured through each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls. ... The Bosporus flume roared and surged at full spate for at least three hundred days."
Although neolithic agriculture had by that time already reached the Pannonian plain, the authors link its spread with people displaced by the postulated flood. It has been suggested that the survivors' memory of this event was the source of the legend for Noah's Flood. Initial resistance came from those who looked for more detailed correlation with the Book of Genesis (see Noah's Ark and Mount Ararat) or preferred as prototype the similar marine ingression that formed the Persian Gulf in the lower Tigris and Euphrates valley.

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The Ryan Aeronautical Company was founded by Claude Ryan in San Diego, California, USA in 1934. Ryan, previously best known for building Charles Lindbergh's transatlantic Spirit of St. Louis, had been involved in several previous companies, some bearing similar names, and had been operating a flying school since 1928. The school became a subsidiary of Ryan Aeronautical.

In the immediate postwar years, Ryan diversified, including even building coffins for a short period (Coffin .. Christian ...)
Ryan became involved in the missile and unmanned aircraft fields, developing the Ryan Firebee unmanned target drone, the Ryan Firebird (the first air-to-air missile) among others, as well as a number of experimental and research aircraft.


there is more to tell about the Ryan name, but according to the research i made, the name Ryan is greatly associated with Military actions, and press/journalism and religious matters

If we're listing peoples names we better add *Annie & Maggie to Kate's list of names.

Now that we know it is the "John Locke" they were referring to I will say Jacob LeMaire again the explorer.

http://www.bataviaphotos.com/cape_horn/book.htm

Who sailed in the 1600's

As a result they established for evermore a new sailing route from the "old world" to the Pacific. For centuries after, the Pacific discoveries they made would be admired by great explorers including Tasman, Bougainville and James Cook. In fact, their voyage was a prelude to the 1642-1643 voyage of Abel Tasman who, on the final leg of his voyage, sailed through seas first crossed and charted by Le Maire.
Such was their navigational achievement that when the ship arrived in Jakarta in October 1616, the Governor-General, Jan Pietersz Coen, refused to believe that Le Maire and Schouten could have found a new passage to the Pacific. He ordered the seizure of the Eendracht (the Hoorn had earlier been lost to fire) with its precious cargo and highly important charts and papers. Le Maire and Schouten were deported on a VOC ship under the command of Joris van Speilbergen. Tragically, Jacob Le Maire died en route, at the age of only thirty-one.

Only 3 sailors died on the 16 month voyage.

You realize, of course, that the people you mention in the last portion and the trip they made is the basis for part of James Clavell's Shogun, Spielbergen and Jan Pieterz-Coen.

You realize, of course, that the people you mention in the last portion and the trip they made is the basis for part of James Clavell's Shogun, Spielbergen and Jan Pieterz-Coen.

I read Shogun a long time ago and I did not make the connection. Thanks

Claire Littleton

Littleton, Martin Wiley (1872-1934) -- also known as Martin W. Littleton -- Born near Kingston, Roane County, Tenn., January 12, 1872. Democrat. Delegate to Democratic National Convention from New York, 1904; U.S. Representative from New York 1st District, 1911-13. Died December 19, 1934. Interment at Woodlawn Cemetery, Bronx, N.Y. See also: congressional biography.
He was a friend of Mark Twain

Interesting note Littleton and Clemens (Twain) were oftently playing billiard
On one occasion the white ball disappeared from the pocket they left it in the day before
After a thorough search they joked on the fact that Littleton had brought it home
and later while playing with another set of balls they found the missing ball
one option they discussed was "dematerialization" (manhattan project / blinded by the light / psychics, you name it here)

read this story (Albert Bigelow Paine => Mark Twain: A Biography)
CHAPTER CCLX / MATTERS PSYCHIC AND OTHERWISE
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/t/twain/paine/chapter260.html


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alternate names

John Littleton Dawson a Representative from Pennsylvania; born in Uniontown, Fayette County, Pa., February 7, 1813; moved with his parents to Brownsville, Pa., in early youth;
was graduated from Washington (Pa.) College in 1833; studied law; was admitted to the bar September 9, 1835, and commenced practice in Brownsville, Pa.; deputy attorney general of Fayette County in 1838; delegate to the Democratic National Conventions in 1844, 1848, 1860, and 1868; United States district attorney for the western district of Pennsylvania 1845-1848;
unsuccessful candidate for election in 1848 to the Thirty-first Congress;
elected as a Democrat to the Thirty-second and Thirty-third Congresses (March 4, 1851-March 3, 1855); chairman, Committee on Agriculture (Thirty-third Congress); declined to be a candidate for renomination in 1854; appointed Governor of Kansas Territory by President Pierce, but declined the office; elected to the Thirty-eighth and

Thirty-ninth Congresses (March 4, 1863-March 3, 1867); was not a candidate for renomination; retired from public life and resided on his estate, “Friendship Hill,” in Springfield Township, Fayette County, Pa., until his death there on September 18, 1870; interment in Christ Episcopal Churchyard, Brownsville, Fayette County, Pa.
(Source US Congress)

(Strangely, Dawson is Michael's last name)

i also found this on a personal webpage
I am looking for any information about my grandpa who was in the ccc in Lassen state park in the year 1933 or 1932 his name is Wendell Littleton his station during the summer was at lost creek . He helped build roads and campgrounds

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I don't know if someone said it before but Hugo Reyes is a dude that creates video games !

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,47952/

Tarf... I'm finding it EXTREMELY interesting that most of the people you're finding... and at least one per name lived during the turn of the century.

Are you purposely finding people that lived during 1900?

Mark Twain was friends with Tesla, too.

Are you purposely finding people that lived during 1900?


nope

for some like Rutherford and a few others, i knew them from my College years so it wasn't so hard, i just had to find the relevant informations
but for others i was suprised to discover that the most "famous" references applied to people who lived in the 1850 - 1950 time span

There are really two main axis in the names patterns. Science of all sorts and Litterature of all sorts (Philosophy included)
Some even overlapp, the best example being Mark Twain (Tom Sawyer reference) who was some kind of bridge between the world of Books and the world of Science


On a funny (strange) note, French High Schools students were given a philosophy exam a few days ago (in preparation for their graduation exam later this year)

one of the question was :
Is it right to oppose Science to Philosophy ?

In the 2002 Democratic primary election, Timothy J Ryan (D - Ohio) beat incumbent U.S. Rep. Thomas C. Sawyer (D-Ohio).* (strange, isn't it ? :D )
Ryan spoke on the House floor in a charismatic speech denouncing the Bush administration's denial of a draft reinstatement, comparing this to the administration's previous claims that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction (Sayid, an iraki, on an island with a Ryan and a Sawyer, i'm smiling :) )

I've seen that speech. Impressive. I am sure it gets taught already in some rhetorics class. But I don't think Tim Ryan inspired the name Maggie Ryan more than Meg Ryan did. Probably even less.

I looked up Charles Pace and found a modern day painter on E-bay and a cult leader of the Branch Davidians... :laugh:

elfdream, you should have looked up Nello Pace (one more for Tesla's contemporaries :D )

Dr. Nello Pace a professor emeritus of physiology at the University of California at Berkeley,
Scientist adventurer Nello Pace, climbed Himalayan peaks to find out how the body reacts to high altitude and pioneered the study of the physiological effects of weightlessness
Pace specialized in environmental physiology, which he once defined as the "study of all the discomforts known to man." To do this he endured many of the discomforts himself, climbing Himalayan peaks to study the effects of low oxygen levels on humans, traveling to Antarctica to record the effects of subfreezing temperatures, and even serving at a front-line M.A.S.H. unit during the Korean war to study combat fatigue.
* * He also pioneered the study of weightlessness and its effects on the body. One of few experts in the field of gravitational physiology in the 1960s, he served as a consultant to NASA and conducted some of the first studies of weightlessness on orbiting monkeys.
* * His numerous studies helped prepare for human spaceflight, and laid important groundwork for studies of disease and the effects of aging.
Pace was born in Richmond, Calif., (6/20/16) and grew up in San Francisco’s Mission district. Upon graduation from Mission High School in 1932 he entered UC Berkeley, where he obtained a BS in chemistry (1936) and a Ph.D. in physiology (1940).

He subsequently was officer-in-charge of a Navy team conducting a radiological survey of Nagasaki and Hiroshima after their destruction by atomic bombs

Pace returned to UC Berkeley in 1946 to work on medical physics at the Donner Laboratory, and joined the physiology department faculty in 1948. Recalled to active duty during the Korean War in 1952, he studied combat stress among front-line troops.
He died in 1995 at the age of 78

http://www.wmrs.edu/gifts/Pace%20Biography.htm
http://lifesci.arc.nasa.gov/lis/Interviews/Nello_Pace.html
http://dynaweb.oac.cdlib.org:8088/dynaweb/uchist/public/inmemoriam/inmemoriam1995/@Generic__BookTextView/2559;pt=1327

Whenever I hear the name "Vincent", I always think of the late '80's TV show "Beauty and the Beast" that starred Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman. Vincent (the Beast) looked like something out of "The Island of Dr. Moreau".

now that you mention Vincent, i have an interesting one, related to pregnant women and unborn babies

Angela Vincent is a professor at Somerville College of Oxford University. She is the head of a research group, which is located in the Institute of Molecular Sciences and working on a wide range of biological disciplines encompassing molecular biology, biochemistry, cellular immunology and intracellular neurophysiology. The group's research is focused on autoimmune and genetic disorders of the neuromuscular junction and peripheral motor nerves. The principal autoimmune diseases studied are myasthenia gravis, the Lambert-Eaton myasthenic syndrome and acquired neuromyotonia.

Her contributions are mainly on the roles of antibodies directed against ion channel at the nerve-muscle junction in the pathogenesis of above mentioned diseases. She has demonstrated that transfer of these antibodies across the placenta from the mother to the unborn baby in the uterus can cause developmental abnormalities. She has also worked on the principal gene mutations causing nerve-muscle disorders.




but of course Vincent also makes me think of "David Vincent" (The invaders)
David Vincent has seen them, for him it began one lost night on a lonely country road, looking for a short cut that he never found.

We had theories about not being able to see the monster, etc. Vincent may have seen it

Now, David Vincent knows that the Invaders are here, that they have taken human form. Somehow he must convince a disbelieving world that the nightmare has already begun.

[scary music ...]

Those are funny , tarf and qboots.

I always think of the child-like Vincent from Disney's, The Black Hole.

He was that big red robot that hovered around and watched everyone.

Whenever I hear the name "Vincent", I always think of the late '80's TV show "Beauty and the Beast" that starred Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman. Vincent (the Beast) looked like something out of "The Island of Dr. Moreau".

I watched that movie when I was a kid...it scared the crap out of me! :lol2:

Got this from the lost-tv.com website.

What could some of these actually mean? Daniel Boone; Walt Disney; Tom Sawyer :o
What are some of the other full names of characters?


How about Charlie Chapin :lol2: Shannon Dougherty :lol2:

how about VINCENT PRICE ???

plugged locke's first name in the numerology free reading website....


this is what they said numerologically his name is associated with:

Alchemy, Challenge, Clown, Guru, Killer, Lyric, Soul, Touch, Water, Work.

Words that embody the people or things that you interact with are Chameleon, Fiction, Guitar,Master,Pentacle, Revenge, Ripple, Rodent, Scholar, Skunk, Victim

how freaky is that........

plugged locke's first name in the numerology free reading website....
this is what they said numerologically his name is associated with:
Alchemy, Challenge, Clown, Guru, Killer[/b], Lyric, Soul, Touch, Water, Work".
Words that embody the people or things that you interact with are "Chameleon, Fiction, Guitar, Master, Pentacle, [b]Revenge, Ripple, Rodent, Scholar, Skunk, Victim".


obviously you experienced some trouble with the bold and italic tags

i don't know if you forgot it but you didn't "bold font" the GUITAR item, this is what would describe Charlie

fixed it.

Hey, Art....

Can you give us a link to that website?!

That reading is absolutely freaky deaky, hinky kinky, funky monkey sex weird!

how about VINCENT PRICE ???


Yeah, I'm with you art. That was my first thought when I thought about this theme.

In ianrolo's Boston Globe quote that stared this thread, Damon Lindelof says:
"Every single name on the show has purpose and meaning,"

So, I've just read transcripts of every episode through "Special" looking for "every single" name.

I know, I know... I can hear them singing!...
"He is sick! He is sick! He is sick, sick, sick!
He is psyyy-cho-logic-al-ly-sick!"

Here are names that (I hope) haven't already been posted in this thread:

TABULA RASA:

Ray Mullin (Mullen?) - the farmer who takes in Annie/Kate
Ray: <to Kate> "If it makes you feel any better, it was a hard decision, Annie." haha

WALKABOUT:

Norman Croucher - Locke's inspiration - double amputee (no legs) who climbed Everest.
Bernard - Rose's husband
Randy - Locke's Boss

Passengers that did not survive the crash (from cremation ceremony):
Judith Martha Wexler
Steve and Kristin (had wedding plans)
Emmanuel Rafael Ortiz
Harold Wollstein (seat 23C)
Millicent Louise ***---

WHITE RABBIT:

Meathead - Jack's boyhood bully/tormenter.
(Archie Bunker's nickname for Rob Reiner's character in "All in the Family")
Marc Silverman -(from Jack's boyhood) - the kid that Jack stands up for against Meathead.
Joanna - the woman who drowned
Margo - Jack's Mom
Chrissy - Oceanic agent that Jack argues with

CONFIDENCE MAN:

Jessica - Sawyer's mark
David - Sawyer's mark's husband
Kilo - Sawyer's "sponser"

SOLITARY:

Falah - prisoner being interoggated by Sayid in flashback.
Omar - Sayid's superior.
Robert - Danielle's husband

RAISED BY ANOTHER:

Thomas - Claire's boyfriend (and presumably her babys father).
Rachel - Claire's friend who persuades her and goes with her to see the psychic.
Richard Malkin - psychic
Mr. Slavitt - Adoption Attorney
Arlene and Joseph Stewart - tried to adopt Claire's baby

ATBCHDI

Andrea - Nurse

WTCMB

Maggie Ryan - Kate's alias
Mark Hutton - Bank Manager
Jason - Bank robber gang leader

HEARTS & MINDS

Nicole - Boones tennis partner
Bryan - Shannon's boyfriend in Sydney
Sabrina Carlisle - Boones mother
Laurent - Shannon's St. Tropez boyfriend's snotty son

SPECIAL

Walt Dawson - Michael's Dad

In addition to the philosopher Rousseau (which is a good fit), there's Henri Rousseau (born 1844), the artist.
His most famous painting, "The Dream", depicts a nude woman on a settee in the middle of a tropical jungle.
There are all manner of birds and beasts semi-hidden in the foliage. And there is another person,a snake
charmer who perfectly blends in with the jungle - if it weren't for his flute and a bit of brightly colored clothing
he'd be nearly invisible.

Rousseau describes the scene:

Yadwigha, peacefully asleep
Enjoys a lovely dream:
She hears a kind snake charmer
Playing on his reed.
On stream and foliage glisten
The silvery beams of the moon,
And savage serpents listen
To the gay, entrancing tune.

You can see it here -
http://www.abm-enterprises.net/rousseaudream.htm

Yadwigha looks a bit like Danielle to me.

i'll take a shot at a few of them

First one

Ray Mullin (the farmer)

=> Michael A Mullin (1937-2000)
Worked in Biological Oceanography
His firstpublication, with J.W. Hastings in 1962, concerned the sizeof small plankters
joined the International Indian Ocean Expedition in1964-65 as an NSF Postdoctoral Fellow, on the R/V AntonBruun (Fig. 6), and did further postdoctoral research at theUniversity of Auckland, New Zealand, studying selectivefeeding by calanoid copepods

Mike Mullin was destined for a career in science from hisearliest time. Born to Joseph and Alma Mullin on November17, 1937, in the port city of Galveston, Texas, Mike was earlyto partake in science. From 3-18 months, he was monitoredin his crib by his father, a medical researcher, as part of astudy of sleep physiology (Fig. 2). Being ‘wired’ may seemcommonplace now; in 1939, it was not

next in line

Norman Croucher

=> Merlin Croucher
Neurophysiology
Quoted in many neurophysiology treaties, one of his works is called
Inhibition of the development of electrical kindling of the prepiriform cortex by daily focal injections of excitatory amino acid antagonists


=> there is also a Monica Croucher

she co-authored these papers
Sloman, A. and Croucher, M. (1981).
Why robots will have emotions. In Proceedings 7th International Joint Conference on AI. Morgan-Kaufman.
"You Don't Need a Soft Skin to Have a Warm Heart: Towards a Computational Analysis of Motives and Emotions". Cognitive Studies Programme, University of Sussex, Brighton, CSRP 004, 1981.


i wasn't able to find other infos about here

i was about to post about her :D
Hey BESS that's one for your genetics theory, Nancy Wexler is on the HUGO project

In 1969, Nancy Wexler, Ph.D., became President of the Hereditary Disease Foundation, a clinic founded by her father, Milton Wexler, M.D. The clinic, located in Santa Monica, California, is researching the causes and cures for Huntington's Disease.

She was instrumental in discovering the complex chromosomal test which can tell patients if they will develop the disease, which usually strikes young adults between the ages of 35 and 45. It is the first step in finding the answer.

Nancy Wexler, PhD, is the Higgins Professor of Neuropsychology in the departments of neurology and psychiatry of the College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University, as well as the president of the Hereditary Disease Foundation. Involved in public policy, individual counseling, genetic research, and federal health administration, she is most widely known for her important 23-year study of the world's largest family with Huntington's disease, in Venezuela. Her work helped lead to the identification of the Huntington's disease gene at the tip of human chromosome 4.

Wexler received an AB from Radcliffe in 1967 and a PhD in clinical psychology from the University of Michigan in 1974. She currently holds or has held numerous public policy positions, including chair of the Joint NIH/DOE Ethical, Legal and Social Issues Working Group of the National Center for Human Genome Research, chair of the Human Genome Organization (HUGO), and Member of the Institute of Medicine. Wexler has served as a member of the board of directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and on the Advisory Committee on Research on Women's Health, NIH. She is a fellow at a number of professional organizations and has received numerous honors and awards, including several honorary doctorates, and in 1993 she received the Albert Lasker Public Service Award.

Mark Hutton (bank manager)

HUTTON, JAMES (1726-1797),
Scottish geologist, was born in Edinburgh on the 3rd of June 1726. Educated at the high school and university of his native city, he acquired while a student a passionate love of scientific inquiry. He was apprenticed to a lawyer, but his employer advised that a more congenial profession should be chosen for him. The young apprentice chose medicine as being nearest akin to his favourite pursuit of chemistry. He studied for three years at Edinburgh, and completed his medical education in Paris, returning by the Low Countries, and taking his degree of doctor of medicine at Leiden in 1749.

http://www.gennet.org/facts/hutton.html

Scottish philosopher and the father of geology. In Theory of the Earth with Proofs and Illustrations (1795), Hutton became the first to show that, in general, the Earth changes slowly and uniformly by the same processes which are occurring today. Hutton did not have as much impact as he might have had, as a result of his cumbersome and difficult literary style. Hutton's idea became known as the Uniformitarian Principle, and served as an alternative to Catastrophism. Hutton believed that volcanic processes were the chief agent in rock formation (amounting to a rudimentary concept of a rock cycle), thus representing the Vulcanist (or Plutonist) view, in contrast to men such as Werner who supported the Neptunist view.

Harold Wollstein (seat 23C)

Martha Wollstein, - U.S. physician and investigator in pediatric pathology.
MW investigated pediatric pathology at the Babies Hospital, especially jaundicecongenital anomalies, tuberculosis, meningitis, and leukemia. Her publications and reports during thatperiod are considered her greatest contribution, for she deeply influenced the physicians affiliated with the hospital during her tenure there. Wollstein published 80 scientific papers during her lifetime

in 1930 she becomes the first female member of the us pediatric society

Marc Silverman -(from Jack's boyhood) - the kid that Jack stands up for against Meathead

2 references

Dr. Mel Silverman received his medical degree from McGill University in 1964. His postgraduate clinical training was undertaken at Montreal General Hospital and Bellevue Hospital, NYU. His research training was done under Prof. A.S.V. Burgen and Carl Goresky from McGill University, and Dr. Francis Chinard at NYU. He joined the Department of Medicine at the University of Toronto (U of T), and the Division of Nephrology at the Toronto General Hospital in 1971. His current appointment is as, and Senior Staff Nephrologist at the Toronto General Hospital, University Health Network.

His research interests concern the molecular physiology of Na+/glucose co-transporter, and extracellular matrix - cell signalling in the glomerulus. He has played a leadership role in several Clinician Scientist training programs at the University of Toronto, including Director of the MD/PhD Program (since 1984), Director of the Institute of Medical Science (1991-2000), Director of the University of Toronto Royal College Clinical Investigator Program (CIP) (since 1995), and Chair of the U of T Royal College CIP committee since Dec. 2000. His other roles include Director of the Clinical Science Division at U of T, Director of a CIHR Group in Membrane Biology and Professor of Medicine and Senior Advisor to the VP of Research at the University of Toronto (1999-2002).

His most recent appointment started March of 2003 as the Vice-President, Research at the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research.

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Andrew Silverman, M.D., Ph.D.
Dr. Silverman graduated from medical school and simultaneously completed a doctorate in microbiology at the State University of New York in Buffalo, NY. He then completed a year of medical internship at the University of Michigan.

Dr. Silverman was selected to serve as a research associate at the National Cancer Institute at the National Institutes of Health. He then completed his residency in Obstetrics and Gynecology at McGill University in Montreal Canada.

Dr. Silverman served as an Assistant Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Texas in San Antonio. He developed a keen interest in reproductive health issues and decided to pursue subspecialty training in reproductive endocrinology. *Upon completion of his training, he served as Director of the In-Vitro Fertilization program there.


Utilizing his extensive experience and expertise in vitro fertilization, Dr. Silverman is now offering patients in vitro fertilization with *preimplantation genetic diagnosis (IVF/PGD). IVF with PGD is extremely effective for family balancing because only embryos of the desired gender are transferred to the mother's uterus.

Dr. Silverman's practice is limited to gynecology, fertility and gender selection

before we go further, i have a question i've been asking myself for the past 2 days

Are we picking up science related people because the names in the show belong to famous science people ?

oe

Are we picking those names because we have already decided that they had to be related to science ?

before we go further, i have a question i've been asking myself for the past 2 days

Are we picking up science related people because the names in the show belong to famous science people ?

oe

Are we picking those names because we have already decided that they had to be related to science ?


Yeah, I've sort of been thinking along those lines, too.
When you have nearly endless reference materials at your fingertips, it's almost
too easy to find info to support whatever theory you want to believe.
Maybe we're just happily deluding ouselves.

Ahem.
That being said... I'm thinking about Claire Littleton and earlier posts in this thread re: Littleton, CO.
IIRC, many of the adults interviewed in "Bowling for Columbine" worked at some high-tech (nuclear?)
weapons company. Can anyone back me upon that?

Randy - Locke's Boss


He was young and randy... lalalala..... :lol2:


Good call on the Rousseau painting, that's really a bit uncanny with the woman in the jungle parallel.

I'll try to compile the data we have so far (i also added new findings)
I tried to define the categories that fit the names
Some overlap

Arts, Litterature and Philosophy
Kate Ryan => War, Journalism, Airplanes, Ancient History
John Locke => Philosophy
Michael Dawson => God, Bible
Claire Littleton => Politics, Tesla and Twain connection, Light
Frank (James) Sawyer => Twain reference
Sun Paik Kwon => Light, Arts
Walter Lloyd => Litterature
Danielle Rousseau => Philosophy, Paintings, Poetry
Sullivan (Hives guy) => Arts, Litterature, Poetry, Show Host

Pioneers and explorers
Boone Carlisle => Pioneer
Jack Shepard => Astronaut,
Scott => Explorer (Antartica)

Medicine, Genetics and Science
Shannon Rutherford => Genetics, Computers, Nuclear Theory, Radioactivity
Charlie Pace => Physiology, 0 Gravity, Stress Analysis
Hugo (Hurley) Reyes => King, Genetics,
Vincent => molecular biology, biochemistry, immunology, neurophysiology
Jin Kwon => Gold, Treasure (Shine), Orthopaedics, spinal cord regeneration
Frank Duckett => Biology, Cell Necrosis, HIV
Hibbs => Science (Iraki Nuclear Program Scientific papers)
Michael Mullin (farmer) => Biology Oceanography
Norman Croucher => Neurophisiology - Artificial Intelligence
Mark Hutton (bank manager) => Geology Medicine Chemistry
Harold Wollstein (seat 23C) => Medicine Pediatry
Marc Silverman -(from Jack's boyhood) => Medicine Gynecology Biology
Richard Malkin (psychic) => Plant and Microbial Biology

You guys get this list more organized and checked out thouroughly and it would be a great addition to Creme's Long Lost List.....

Frank (James) Sawyer = The "Frank and James" may be a nod to the infamous American outlaws Frank and Jesse James.

And the shrimp guy was called Frank.... Interesting!

Templeton posted this in the "Numbers" board regarding Thornton Wilder's The Bridge of San Luis Rey

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=8338.0

... it ties in nicely with Hurley's last name, what seems to be coming up in this episode (the bridge), and the overall theme of the show. A really nice find.

Lenny (Numbers): Lenny (Of Mice & Men)

Has anyone mentioned the religious undertones of Jack's name?
1. His last name is "Shepherd," and Christ is considered a shepherd to believers.
2. In Outlaws, didn't Christian mention something to Sawyer about Jack having saved him or helped him by reporting him? I can't be too sure, but I believe he did. Either way, it's true that Jack did save Christian from botching anymore future surgeries.
3. And then there is the spoiler stating that one of the main characters will be betrayed by another character, and this will lead to that main character's death. Christ was betrayed by Judas.

Now, I love the Jack character, and I hope this is all just me overanalyzing things. I do think the parallels are interesting though. So anyway, I hope that this is appropriate for this thread.

I think Michael is a reference to the spiritual, "Michael, Row the Boat Ashore". He's also one of the seven primary angels, along with Gabriel, Uriel, and Raphael (among others). He governs the element of Earth.

http://sarahsarchangels.com/archangels/michael.html

SAYID
Gender: Masculine
Usage: Arabic
Means "lord, master" in Arabic. A famous bearer was the Egyptian musician Sayyid Darwish.

As for Noor, yes, that was her real name, but "nobody' called her that. Eveyone called her Nadia, which, in Arabic, means...Means either "generous" or "dew" if you take it to the real arabic name (nada). Or, if you put the 'i' back in to it (to make Nadia again) means 'the first'.

So, for sayid, we have another lostaway whose name can be traced to some sort of artist, yet at the same time is the name of a leader like Shepard or Reyes. And then there are the different interpretations of Nadia's name...

That's REALLY interesting about the biblical names...

So who whould be whom... Christ, the 12 Apostles, and Mary.... right.........?? Let's see... THAT"S 14!

(God, I hope I'm right about that.)

Claire = Mary Magdeline (not Christ's mom)
Jack = Christ

Locke=
Boone=
Michael=
Syid=
Hurley=
Charlie=
Jin=
Walt=
Sawyer=

Shannon=
Sun=
Kate=

Vincent=? ? ? ?

Keep in mind... not all of the characters need to parrallel Christianity. There can many parrallels in other religions too.

That's REALLY interesting about the biblical names...

So who whould be whom... Christ, the 12 Apostles, and Mary.... right.........?? Let's see... THAT"S 14!



I was thinking: (12 apostles + Mary...13 total) + Christ (the child to be born). And we've had spoilers that one of the fourteen will die by the end of the season, bringing the main cast's number to thirteen.

That's REALLY interesting about the biblical names...*

So who whould be whom...* Christ, the 12 Apostles, and Mary....* *right.........??* * Let's see...* THAT"S 14!

(God, I hope I'm right about that.)

Claire = Mary Magdeline* (not Christ's mom)
Jack = Christ

Locke=
Boone=
Michael=
Syid=
Hurley=
Charlie=
Jin=
Walt=
Sawyer=

Shannon=
Sun=
Kate=

Vincent=? ? ? ?

Keep in mind... not all of the characters need to parrallel Christianity.* There can many parrallels in other religions too.



The whole repentant sinner bit works better for Kate than for Claire. John could be John Locke. I can see Jack Shepard = Jesus (insert "The Lord is my sheperd" joke here), but the most interesting question - who is Judas? And is Jack dead meat?

I was thinking: (12 apostles + Mary...13 total) + Christ (the child to be born). And we've had spoilers that one of the fourteen will die by the end of the season, bringing the main cast's number to thirteen.


But wouldn't Claire's baby bring it back to 14?

no actually there were 14 apostles

i have made a post about that a few days ago

There were the 12 original apostles, then another one (Mathias) joined in after Judas' treason, and there is one more that is considered an apostle but is not credited as one of the "originals" (and i don't remember his name

I don't think the writers would be that technical (picky, that is). The 12 apostles, Mary, and Jesus seem like it could be an interesting comparison. We still have Judas Iscariot, our betrayer, at large at this point. If all the names do mean something, then maybe we need to take a closer look as to which one might be our Judas. If we could figure that out, then we would also have good shot at guessing the one who buys it.

no actually there were 14 apostles

i have made a post about that a few days ago

There were the 12 original apostles, then another one (Mathias) joined in after Judas' treason, and there is one more that is considered an apostle but is not credited as one of the "originals" (and i don't remember his name




I think you are thinking of St. Paul.

Or Lenny Kravitz....the rock star 8) :lol2:

What's Lenny like in "Of mice and Men" Ive never read that book

Perhaps I am thinking a bit simplistically, but when I see Ethan Rom spelled out the first thought I have is that the letters could be rearranged to spell "more than." As in more than what he seems. I suppose it's a moot point since he's bitten the bullet... just a thought...

Wow Miss_angel

That is actually a great find....maybe its been found before, but I always just hear of "Other Man"....but "More Than" would make sense for what you are saying, and I have actually thought about the possiblity that Ethan was more than he seemed, and was actually being "good".

Perhaps I am thinking a bit simplistically, but when I see Ethan Rom spelled out the first thought I have is that the letters could be rearranged to spell "more than." As in more than what he seems. I suppose it's a moot point since he's bitten the bullet... just a thought...

The favorite anagram was "other man"

Very interesting theories guys. It would great if we could get someone "in the know" to confirm or deny any of the theories.

Yea it would be great but no one will because if they confirm it then the secrets been let out, if they deny it then it gives us a theory to negate which would cause less trauma to the brain....which is just....not how it works with LOST....lol

There's quite a bit on Norman Croucher and maybe some inside information on Locke?

http://www.normancroucher.co.uk/

http://www.nyt.co.uk/norman.htm

http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/lock.htm

Erika posted in* Observations on Deus Ex Machina

In 1666, he met Anthony Ashley Cooper, 1st Earl of Shaftesbury, who had come to Oxford seeking treatment for a liver infection. Cooper was impressed with Locke and pressed him to become part of his retinue.

Locke had been looking for a career and in 1667 moved into Shaftesbury's home at Exeter House in London, ostensibly as the household physican. In London Locke resumed his medical studies, under the tutelage of Thomas Sydenham. Sydenham had a major impact on Locke's natural philosophical thinking - an impact that resonated deeply in Locke's writing of the Essay Concerning Human Understanding.

Locke's medical knowledge was soon put to the test, since Shaftesbury's liver infection became life-threatening. Locke coordinated the advice of several physicians and was likely instrumental in persuading Shaftesbury to undergo an operation (then life-threatening itself) to remove the cyst. Shaftesbury survived and prospered, crediting Locke with saving his life.

It was in Shaftesbury's household, during 1671, that the meeting took place, described in the Epistle to the reader of the Essay, which was the genesis of what would later become Essay. Two extant Drafts still survive from this period.

Shaftesbury, as a founder of the Whig movement, exerted great influence on Locke's political ideas. Locke became involved in politics when Shaftesbury became Lord Chancellor in 1672. Following Shaftesbury's fall from favor in 1675, Locke spent some time traveling in southern France. He returned to England in 1679 when Shaftesbury's political fortunes took a brief positive turn. However, Locke fled to the Netherlands in 1683, under strong suspicion of involvement in the Rye House Plot. Locke did not return to England until after the Glorious Revolution. The bulk of Locke's publishing took place after his return. He died in 1704 after a prolonged decline in health.

Frank "James" Sawyer?

Ummm...first thing that comes to MY mind is:

Frank James (Jesse James) Outlaws
Sawyer (Tom Sawyer) Mischievous Youth/Outlaw in his own home town

Wouldn't it be something to find out that Sawyer's REAL name is Jesse James or something similar?

Both certainly fit the character: He's an outlaw, who acts extremely childish and goes against the grain of their "society" any chance he gets. But he's not dumb by any means, he's awfully intelligent and keeps secrets close to the vest.

Sorry if this was covered, I got all excited on about the 4th or 5th page here and didn't bother to check through the rest of the posts.

http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/40500/B40474.htm*
http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/40500/B40475.htm
Frank Duckett Australia

Frank Duckett's name appears on the Australian Championship winners' list. It was at the Wayville venue he recorded his victory in February of*1929.*He defeated Paddy Dean and Tommy Benstead in the Final. Duckett also*finished in third place in the Australian Championship staged in January of*1931 at the Melbourne Motordrome. He*also made the trip to Britain to compete during the early*years of speedway. At the conclusion of the 1929 British season, A.J. Hunting put together a team of riders to tour South America. Named in the squad were Australians Max Grosskreutz, Frank Duckett and Buzz Hibberd. (Hibbs?)

*

What a fascinating thread!* I've read pretty much the whole thread, so forgive me if this has been suggested before:

As an origin for Walt: what about Walter Mitty?* As in "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" by James Thurber about a man whose active fantasy life saves him from his considerably dull life.* That jibes with a boy who makes the rain stop and polar bears appear, doesn't it?* *;)

Link to the short story:* http://www.all-story.com/issues.cgi?action=show_story&story_id=100

Link to IMDB entry for the movie starring Danny Kaye: http://imdb.com/title/tt0039808/

I'd believe that over Walt WItman,
Witman was an american homosexual freeverse poet. I see little connection there with walt on the show.

I don't know

as i mentionned in an earlier thread

Frank Duckett may certainely be a nod from the writers to former Red Sox manager Dan Duquette
Dan Duquette actually recruited the players that permitted the sox to break their curse

it's not a coincidence, if Sawyer has a chat about the Sox with Christian Shephard

There is a good chance that this is the real meaning of Frank Duckett (or at least where the writers fished the name)

Anthony Cooper = AC = alternative current

Anthony Cooper = AC = alternative current


could also mean Ante-Christ

FWIW, I've put together a pretty comprehensive list of all of the names thus far.
Since there's no spoilerage, I posted it over in Lost Talk...

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=11633.msg223792#msg223792

Cooper is a barrel maker usually wood but the hatch looks like big barrel

Kate Ryan

lots of things about Ryan in history, lots of references to Victoria Cross medals (Australian reward for courage in battle) (one in 1918 another Tesla contemporary)

In the 2002 Democratic primary election, Timothy J Ryan (D - Ohio) beat incumbent U.S. Rep. Thomas C. Sawyer (D-Ohio).* (strange, isn't it ? :D )
Ryan spoke on the House floor in a charismatic speech denouncing the Bush administration's denial of a draft reinstatement, comparing this to the administration's previous claims that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction (Sayid, an iraki, on an island with a Ryan and a Sawyer, i'm smiling :) )

Father Abram J. Ryan (August 15, 1839 - April 22, 1886) was a Roman Catholic poet-priest from the American South (JJ Abrams ??? lol)
Would fit in the opposition (sides) between Science and Philosophy
Some of the characters have their name derived from scientists, some from philosophers or "thinkers"
I thought i would mention Father Ryan for the record
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_J._Ryan


Michael Ryan was the name of 3 "famous" persons
- a mass murderer
- a judge in a federal court in australia
- a former chief of staff in the US Air Force

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Cornelius Ryan (5 June 1920 – 23 November 1974) was an Irish-American journalist and author mainly known for his writings on popular military history, especially World War II.

His two best-known books are The Longest Day (1959), which tells the story of the D-Day (day one of the WWII invasion of Normandy), and A Bridge Too Far (1974), which tells the story of Operation Market Garden, the ill-fated assault by airborne forces on the Netherlands culminating in the battle of Arnhem. Both books were made into major motion pictures, in 1962 and 1977, respectively.

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Claude Ryan (January 26, 1925 - February 9, 2004) was a Canadian politician and leader of the Parti libéral du Québec from 1978 to 1982.

Born in Montreal, Quebec, he was the director of Le Devoir, a French-language newspaper available in the province of Quebec, from 1964 to 1978. During his tenure at the head of the editorial staff he became known for his probity and his mastery of contemporary political issues. His advice was sought by nearly all the provincial governments of Quebec, left or right, and by opposition parties

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In 1998, William Ryan and Walter Pitman, geologists from Columbia University, published evidence that a massive flood through the Bosporus occurred about 5600 BC. Glacial meltwater had turned the Black and Caspian Seas into vast freshwater lakes, while sea levels remained lower. The fresh water lakes were emptying their waters into the Aegean. As the glaciers retreated, rivers emptying into the Black Sea reduced their volume and the water levels lowered. Then, about 5600 BC, as sea levels rose, Ryan and Pitman suggest, the rising Mediterranean finally spilled over a rocky sill at the Bosphorus. The event flooded 60,000 mile² (155,000 km²) of land, and significantly expanded the Black Sea shoreline to the north and east. Ryan and Pitman wrote:


Black Sea today and in 5600 BC according to Ryan's and Pitman's theories"Ten cubic miles [42 km³] of water poured through each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls. ... The Bosporus flume roared and surged at full spate for at least three hundred days."
Although neolithic agriculture had by that time already reached the Pannonian plain, the authors link its spread with people displaced by the postulated flood. It has been suggested that the survivors' memory of this event was the source of the legend for Noah's Flood. Initial resistance came from those who looked for more detailed correlation with the Book of Genesis (see Noah's Ark and Mount Ararat) or preferred as prototype the similar marine ingression that formed the Persian Gulf in the lower Tigris and Euphrates valley.

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The Ryan Aeronautical Company was founded by Claude Ryan in San Diego, California, USA in 1934. Ryan, previously best known for building Charles Lindbergh's transatlantic Spirit of St. Louis, had been involved in several previous companies, some bearing similar names, and had been operating a flying school since 1928. The school became a subsidiary of Ryan Aeronautical.

In the immediate postwar years, Ryan diversified, including even building coffins for a short period (Coffin .. Christian ...)
Ryan became involved in the missile and unmanned aircraft fields, developing the Ryan Firebee unmanned target drone, the Ryan Firebird (the first air-to-air missile) among others, as well as a number of experimental and research aircraft.


there is more to tell about the Ryan name, but according to the research i made, the name Ryan is greatly associated with Military actions, and press/journalism and religious matters


Loved this one about Katherine Kate Ryan. Oh, Canada it fits so nicely.

Quote from: Naughty Paws on April 12, 2005, 09:35:10 PM
Names and Meanings
Katherine Ryan, another name for Klondike Kate, a famous Canadian (not to be confused with the dancer with the name "klondike kate").

"She was born Katherine Ryan on August 20, 1869 in the small Irish community of Johnville, New Brunswick. She travelled across the continent to Seattle, where she became a nurse in the Sisters of Nahomish Hospital ... Klondike Kate accomplished many things in her lifetime. She was the first female member of the North West Mounted Police and helped establish order among those involved in the Gold Rush. An adventurer, a traveller, an educator, a nurse, a prospector, a restaurateur, and a mother-figure to most who knew her, Klondike Kate carved out for herself a legacy, and became a legend at the same time. Klondike Kate has left her mark in history as an early suffragette and important political figure in Northern Canada."
http://www.histori.ca/teachers/lessonPlan.do?ID=10409

Also, when Kate was a prison guard (yup), she guarded a prostitute who later stole her good name and trashed it in major newspapers.
Warning: URL has music!
http://www.altonm.ca/Klondike_Kate/klondike_kate.html

For Sayid, I'm pretty sure it was confirmed his name was from Edward Said. A TV Guide article mentioned this as a confirmed thing, along with Locke and Rousseau.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Said

Old canadian TV guides, the one with Hurley on the cover - Anyone still have it?

in spoiler theories, under the topic "check this out :lost for dummies"...I posted a link to that article. Im just too lazy to find it again

wouldn't Walts name be Walter Porter, he was adopted by Brian.


OMG let's not forget two of the most important flashback-only characters so far - Nadia and CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD. *I think Christian's first name can easily be connected to themes he (and lots of other characters) embody: forgiveness, faith, honoring one's father, etc.

Michael and Locke seem to always be at odds with each other, which is interesting in that the real-life Locke's naturalism suggested that humans draw spiritual strength from the land, whereas Michael ("like God") seems to be the least 'in touch' with the island of all the castaways. *Plus, Michael seems to expect certain things from Walt for being what he is - a 10 year old - whereas Locke (in line with real-life Locke's tabula rosa theory) sees nothing but potential for growth in Walt.


Not to start a war, but I would just like to point out that Christian only embodies forgiveness, etc, if you are christian. If you are not it COULD mean something much more sinister. ie death, hatered, discrimination, I mean as much as forgiveness is preached, most christians believe that is you dont conform to their ways you will burn in a lake of fire. I really am not trying to offend but its the truth. I believe more people have died because of christianity than any other single entity in the history of the world, and the wars continues. So if you were say Sayid, Christian could have a much different connotation than if you were Charlie who is I believe Catholic. PS every statement on this board is an opinion and this is mine, I just felt that Christian = Good is more in the eye of the beholder.

The three names i jumped at when i heard on the show was Locke, Rosseau and Ethan Rom. Obviously it's a reference to Ethan Frome, who stole away his loved one so that they could commit suicide. Sounds a lot like the Claire-kidnapping doesn't it?

Now I refuse to go through this thread again to see if this has been said, and I know we have made reference to Sawyer being a link to Twain, but I was just thinking it interesting that Sawyer likes to read a lot and is pretty sarcastic and witty. I think it neat they tied his character to that great writer. Man this thread is long. :o

This is something Said said.

"So far as the United States seems to be concerned, it is only a slight overstatement to say that Moslems and Arabs are essentially seen as either oil suppliers or potential terrorists. Very little of the detail, the human density, the passion of Arab-Moslem life has entered the awareness of even those people whose profession it is to report the Arab world. What we have instead is a series of crude, essentialized caricatures of the Islamic world presented in such a way as to make that world vulnerable to military aggression."

Lots to ramble on about here.

good catch, pearknot, on Lenny from "Of Mice and Men." Burning Start: "Of Mice and Men," by John Steinbeck, is about two men, Lenny and Jack, who wander from farm to farm during the depression looking for migrant work. Lenny is very large and very retarded. Jack continually describes an idyllic life to Lenny, where Lenny will have rabbits. "Tell me about the rabbits again, Jack." Lenny doesn't know his own strength. They work at a farm where the farmworker's wife is a flirt/slut, who seduces Lenny. He hugs her too tight, she screams, and he snaps her neck. Lenny and Jack flee. As the dogs are heard in the background, Lenny asks Jack to tell him about the rabbits again. As Jack is telling him, he shoots him in the back of the head. Death would have been better for Lenny than prison during the depression. Jack escapes.

Then there's Lenny and Stan in "Memento."

patch410, "splendor in the grass" is from William Wordsworth's "Ode. Intimations of Immortality From Recollections of Early Childhood." http://www.bartleby.com/145/ww331.html "...though nothing may bring back the hour
Of splendor in the grass, or glory in the flower,
We will grieve not, rather find
Strength in what remains behind...

iranrolo, meremaiden, good catches. But Whitman's work is FILLED with images of the sea, beaches, deaths, whispers, civil war, and hatch-like references. From the last version of "Leaves of Grass," http://www.whitmanarchive.org/works/

CHILDREN OF ADAM
"To the Garden of the World"
"One Hour to Madness and Joy"
"Out of the Rolling Ocean The Crowd"
"We Two, How Long We Were Fooled"

SONG OF THE BROAD AXE

BIRDS OF PASSAGE
"Song of the Universal"

SEA DRIFT
"Out Of The Cradle Endlessly Rocking"
"As I Ebbed With The Ocean Of Life"
"Tears"
"On The Beach At Night"
"On The Beach At Night Alone"
"Patroling Barnegat" ("A group of dim, weird forms, struggling, the night confronting, that savage trinity weirdly watching" Ugh!)

BY THE ROADSIDE
"Mother and Babe"
"Visor'd"

DRUM TAPS
"A Song Of The Banner At Daybreak"
"A March In The Ranks Hard-Prest, And The Road Unknown"
"Not The Pilot"
"Lo, Victress On The Peaks"
"Adieu To A Soldier"
"To The Leaven'd Soil They Trod"

AUTUMN RIVULETS
"There Was A Child Went Forth"
"This Compost"
"Unnamed Lands"
"Outlines For A Tomb" (hatch-like)
"Out From Behind This Mask"
"To A Pupil"
"Kosmos"
"Wandering At Morn"

PROUD MUSIC OF THE STORM

THE SLEEPERS

TRANSPOSITIONS

WHISPERS OF A HEAVENLY DEATH
"Darest Thou Now O Soul"
"As If A Phantom Caress'd Me"
"That Music Always Round Me" (Whispers)
"Thought"
"The Last Invocation"

A PAUMANOK PICTURE
("the green-backed mossbonkers...")

FROM NOON TO STARRY NIGHT
"The Mystic Trumpeter"
"A Riddle Song" (this one'll drive you nuts!)
"Excelsior"
"Ah Poverties, Wincings, And Sulky Retreats"

SONGS OF PARTING
"Portals" (hatch-like)

THE WALLABOUT MARTYRS (!!)

RED JACKET (FROM ALOFT)

CONTINUITIES (!!)

YONNONDIO (!!)

TO THE SUN-SET BREEZE (!!)

A VOICE FROM DEATH
"The Rounded Catalogue Divine Complete" (!!)

Now, I went to Walt Whitman High School, so watch it. Whitman was gay, full of himself, and took forever to die. He wrote "Oh, Captain, My Captain" about Lincoln. A lot of his civil war poetry have the death of young men (with their heads in his lap). He mourned the deaths of the civil war, and believed in the Natural Savage. DO CHECK THESE POEMS OUT. Maybe Locke is gay? Whitman's poems are certainly haunted, and the sea called to him. But some of the parallels in these poems are striking. "As if a Phantom Caress'd Me," has him walking along the beach, with perhaps a ghostly figure behind him. "The Sleepers" is creepy. "This Compost," and "Wandering at Morn" hint at the decay beneath the beach. "That Music Always Round Me," hints at Whispers heard only by Whitman.

DO. DO CHECK THIS GUY OUT!

BB,

Vilya

Perhaps Walt is gay, and these are his remembrances from old age...

BB (I'll shut up for...this morning),

Vilya

I like whats going on here, but I donut think the names are going to be names that we all know. I mean Walt Disney and Daniel Boone are very famous figures. Whoever heard of John Locke, before this show, I think they're going to be very important people, but not people everyone would automatically know.

are you guys being serious? :o...walt is gay?!?gay at 10?..the kid already has 'special powers' and now were adding gay to that? Jack a doctor, Hurley a millionaire, and Walt the 10 year homosexual with magical powers? I dont think I follow

More names for the list:

Robbie Hewitt ASIS agent from GG
"The Preachers Son" (another young adult book other connections, it takes place in Vermont and Sawyer's sports car article in GG has the car driving in Vermont, there is the spider reference in both this book and in Charlie's Itsey Bitsey Spider.)
Katherine Paterson borrows Mark Twain's voice and a healthy bit of his wit to relate the adventures of Robbie Hewitt, whose favorite literary characters are, not surprisingly, Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. Robbie's penchant for mischief is a worrisome embarrassment to his father, the Congregational minister of their small Vermont town at the turn of the last century, while Robbie himself chafes at the town's unrealistic expectation that as a preacher's son he is supposed to be clean "all the time, not just on Sundays" and good. "I don't have a talent for either," he maintains, "nor wish to." Although he craves the attention his father gives to his mentally retarded older brother and envies the closeness that exists between his mother and his two sisters, he can't resist his more devilish impulses-like running Mabel Cramm's bloomers up the flagpole on Decoration Day, or tipping a spider down the back of Mrs. Weston's dress at church. But when he almost drowns another boy in a murderous rage, he shocks not only his loyal friend, Will, but also himself. In a narrative that shuttles skillfully between sentiment and farce, that combines moments of painful insight with uproarious action, Robbie runs away to hide from the consequences of his temper and comes across a pair of vagrants in the woods. His interactions with the resourceful Violet and her drunken lout of a father lead Robbie to initiate and then abandon a phony kidnapping scheme, contribute to his first thrilling ride in a motor car, and bring about, eventually, retribution for his sins and rapprochement with his father. In a sly reminder that the past is prologue, Katherine Paterson ends this absorbing historical fiction novel with Robbie and the Reverend Hewitt pulling the rope on the church bell and ringing in the new century together. A more rounded and complex character than Jip, whose story takes place in much the same locale only a few decades earlier, Robbie Hewitt emerges as one of Katherine Paterson's most engaging characters.

Melissa Cole CIA agent (GG)
http://cottagearts.com/melissa_cole.htm Artist - Marine animals

Kate Austin
http://melior.univ-montp3.fr/ra_forum/en/people/austin_kate/

Tommy Brennan

Probably not the inspiration ... but ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brennan

Probably not the inspiration ... but ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brennan


Don't know Vermont was mentioned in GG.

Did Kate and Claire both have boyfriends named Thomas? Or Tommy in Kate's case...

FYI

Sayid's last name is Jarrah. It has been confirmed that both John Locke and Danielle were named for their philosopher namesakes.

They did. I've thought about mentioning that (being a Tom myself), but not sure what the connection would be. One was a stand up guy; the other wasn't. Balance?

Joan Hart
http://www.uwosh.edu/faculty_staff/hartj/

Ohio plate "Heart of it All"

Warren Truss* * * * www.warrentruss.com

Ana Lucia

James Ford
http://www.illinoishistory.com/jamesford.html Bess2728 found

http://img202.echo.cx/img202/1525/katemugshot9ez.jpg

Another Kate alias: Katherine Dodd

If the abc/oceanic air site is right, then the marshal is named Edward Mars.

In the finale they mentioned Sun's father - Mr. Paik (?) so I guess that would be her maiden name?

In the finale they mentioned Sun's father - Mr. Paik (?) so I guess that would be her maiden name?


actually it would be the surname she uses, korean women do not assume the man's family name upon marriage.

I know Frank James Sawyer is probably partially named for Tom Sawyer, but what about Frank James, the famous outlaw?

And Ethan Rom is an anagram of "Other Man"

Sorry if either of those were discussed in the thread. I didn't feel like reading all 11 pages.

Exodus part 1 Det. Calderwood. Who Sawyer sees.

They did. I've thought about mentioning that (being a Tom myself), but not sure what the connection would be. One was a stand up guy; the other wasn't. Balance?


I just realized something else...

Thomas-Claire's boyfriend
Tom-Kate's old boyfriend
Tommy-Charlie's looney pusher.

What's up with 'Tom'?

Tom is a common name in modern Hebrew (mainly for boys, but also for girls). It has no record in the Old-Testament, so it was probably taken from Latin Thomas/Tom. However, it wasn't taken for no reason: the word "Tom" in Hebrew means "Purity" (of the heart),or "Naivety" which makes it perfect for a child. But, It also means "End" or "Edge" which gives it a rather disturbing meaning...

Greek form of the Aramaic name Te'oma which meant* "twin". In the New Testament he was the apostle who doubted the resurrected Jesus.

Thomas is a Biblical given name, originating from a Judeo-Aramaic name תום or Tôm. The meaning of the name is "twin".

The Day of St. Thomas is also the day of the winter solstice, the year's longest night and shortest day. St. Thomas is commemorated on this day because he was the last one of the apostles to become convinced of Jesus' resurrection -- he was the one who for the longest time remained in the "night of unbelief and doubt."

St. Thomas the Apostle
Jesus announced His intention of returning to Judea to visit Lazarus, "Thomas" who is called Didymus [the twin], said to his fellow disciples: "Let us also go, that we may die with him" (John 11:16). Again it was St. Thomas who during the discourse before the Last Supper raised an objection: "Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?" (John 14:5). But more especially St. Thomas is remembered for his incredulity when the other Apostles announced Christ's Resurrection to him: "Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe" (John 20:25); but eight days later he made his act of faith, drawing down the rebuke of Jesus: "Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed; blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed" (John 20:29).
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"Doubting Thomas" said he could not believe Jesus Christ was resurrected and alive unless he, Thomas, could personally see Jesus and touch Jesus' wounds. Jesus did not condemn Thomas or send him away. Rather, Jesus satisfied Thomas' doubts through and through.

When looking this up, I found this.

However, some people are so foolish that they stop everything whenever they have a doubt. The momentum of their hearts and minds, the tremendous forward movement of their aspiration, is stopped dead while they rummage around with a limited mind, seeking in a generally half-hearted way for some powerful answer. Even if they received a powerful answer, chances are these aspirants would not understand such an answer, being unequipped as yet in terms of concepts and in terms of mental/emotional maturity to appreciate it.

Just as it would be foolish to try to drive your car sixty-five miles an hour down the road while at the same time holding your foot on the brake, there are perhaps thousands who proceed toward the higher consciousness while insisting on maintaining a dominant attitude of disbelief. In their continual attitude of disbelief, they fail to get anywhere. Indeed, they burn up inside.

When in doubt, go forward! The answers to your deepest questions will be solved if you're willing to maintain your momentum and keep going. The highway to higher consciousness is regularly jammed by those who stop everything when they have a doubt. Those who are always stopping have to start all over again. Frequent doubters, they regularly sputter to a halt. After considering the alternatives of not seeking higher consciousness and noting how empty other attitudes of life seem, they lurch ahead once again.

People who are always stopping and starting do not go very far. There are some who claim to have been seeking higher consciousness for years but, in fact, they have barely started. They stopped so many times, they thoroughly destroyed any aspiration and devotion which they were developing. They have, in fact, scarcely begun. They have not been "at it" for years, they only think they have. In reality, they have been proceeding toward fulfillment for only days ¾ perhaps minutes ¾ when you consider the actual amount of their forward-moving thoughts and attitudes.

It's possible to be a stopper for a lifetime but you won't find success. The road to higher consciousness is dynamic. It involves a continuous forward movement of each aspect of you
Just as it would be foolish to try to drive your car sixty-five miles an hour down the road while at the same time holding your foot on the brake, there are perhaps thousands who proceed toward the higher consciousness while insisting on maintaining a dominant attitude of disbelief. In their continual attitude of disbelief, they fail to get anywhere. Indeed, they burn up inside.

If you are not capable of focusing on your ideals while applying self-discipline, introspection, and devotion with hope and an openness, check to be sure some part of you isn't fiercely pushing down on the brake. By brake we mean doubt ¾ the inclination to disbelieve anything and everything that is occurring on your journey.

Let's say it even stronger. Some travel, or at least say they are traveling, while refusing to be more conscious. They have developed their doubt into an ongoing state of intentional ignorance. On the road toward higher consciousness you are free to disbelieve or doubt anything you choose but you must make an effort — if you want to succeed — to be more conscious.

While you might laugh or even be shocked that someone would be fool enough to try to go for a long journey while pressing one foot on the accelerator and the other on the brake, many attempt this absurdity. You will likely meet a number of these people who, by force of habit, fear, or a sense of arrogance, believe they are proceeding toward higher consciousness while totally denying its reality or their own possibilities of experiencing it. Further, these confused doubters seem, additionally, to put on blinders and develop an unwillingness that any of their faculties become more sensitive, more aware.

Keep in mind, however, while there are many self-stopped seekers, generally the most successful people on the paths of enlightenment are those who doubt most sincerely. They are motivated to go forward in an effort to solve their doubts through verifiable experience.

Remember also, it is good to doubt early on your path. Naive acceptance doesn't do anyone a favor. Naivete is a form of ignorance, a form of stupidity, which eliminates a maturing process which is so necessary. Early in your journey develop the habit of paying attention to your doubts, whether they are mental, emotional, or intuitional. Face them. While maintaining your forward momentum, give them a chance to be resolved through your experience and your research. Be honest with them. Your doubts may well be genuine concerns from deep within you.

Your doubts may be your greatest assets ¾ along with your aspiration and sincerity. If you face your doubts and deal with them constructively, you will see the glowing dawn of superconsciousness soon.

On Walt, one thing I ran across was a tie to the book Sawyer was reading, A Wrinkle in Time.* *In that book, the main character's little brother was named Wallace or "Walt" (his middle name -- one of those kids they used the full name for) and Walt was psychic and had the power to do things with his mind.* That book also had a "big bad" that was an evil black cloud-like thing that was taking over the universe.* (The book is children's fantasy and involves other planets, a fight between good and evil, etc.)* In it, Walt is taken hostage by the big bad, which exerts evil mind control over him until his sister comes back and saves him with the power of love.* *I got the book summary off of SparkNotes.com if anyone is interested in looking at the parallels with our Walt.

Hi mh,

You're right on track. There have been lots of mentions about A Wrinkle in Time. You can do a search to see where the threads are.

Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic.
What motivated Lindbergh to take such a giant risk? A guy named Raymond Orteig did. Orteig was a wealthy New York hotel owner and visionary who realized that transatlantic air travel would be great for business, including his. In 1919 he created the "Orteig Prize," a $25,000 award for whoever made the first non-stop flight from New York to Paris.

I posted all that stuff, cuz I keep seeing reference to twins and clones, and while surfing one day, I found a post about the name Tom being used twice, and the name Thomas once. When I saw the connection I thought of this thread.


coupons, I don't understand your post. I thought Oceanic was fictional, but Lindbergh is real. Please dumb it down for me. ;)

the Oceanic site says Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic. Real life In 1919 Raymond Orteig created the "Orteig Prize," a $25,000 award for whoever made the first non-stop flight from New York to Paris. It was not claimed till 1927 8 yrs later
I am just saying that is where they may have pulled the name from

I don't know if you found it already but Sayid's last name is Jarrah. Also, on the Oceanic site, there's a picture of Kate with the last name Dodd.

Robert D. West - from hidden message on Oceanic Air Website

http://movies.channel.aol.com/movie/main.adp?mid=1079526

Have we discussed the meaning of Ana Lucia's name yet?

Ana - grace/favor (derived from the Hebrew name Hannah)

Lucia - light/illumination (from the latin lux/lucis - which means light [and from which a ginormous number of modern words/names are derived from - illumination, lucid, Lucifer, etc])

Cortez - Hernando Cortez was the Spanish explorer who conquered the Aztecs

Okay, I get mixed things from this: that she's going to be a powerful, benevolent presence, but also maybe an explorer (what if she is out exploring and finds our fuselage-section lostaways?) and conqueror...?

To make the deciphering of the meaning of the names even more difficult, it's possible the writers are using variations of, or thinly disguised, real names.
A poster named ColonelSanders posted this http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=19072.msg386090#msg386090
Basically Lindelof said that if they had wanted to skewer Harry Knowles, they could have named the Dr Atrz character Larry Moles and then blown him up.

the Oceanic site says Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic. Real life In 1919* Raymond Orteig* created the "Orteig Prize," a $25,000 award for whoever made the first non-stop flight from New York to Paris. It was not claimed till 1927 8 yrs later
I am just saying that is where they may have pulled* the name from


Thanks coupons, I trust your posts, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a big clue.

babygotbackgammon, I read the name Cortez in the past few days, and it wasn't that dude, but something that connected another clue. Sorry I can't be any clearer, cuz I just don't remember, but I'll keep my eyes open from now on.

Thanks coupons, I trust your posts, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a big clue.

babygotbackgammon, I read the name Cortez in the past few days, and it wasn't that dude, but something that connected another clue.* Sorry I can't be any clearer, cuz I just don't remember, but I'll keep my eyes open from now on.
We all (patting us on the back) have done a great job of uncovering stuff their isn't a lot left to be found.
So this was kind of off subject but like you back when I was looking up Amelia I wound up with Lindy and the name of the prize stuck with me. Because he had not complied with the rules for the prize but they waved them

We all (patting us on the back) have done a great job of uncovering stuff their isn't a lot left to be found.
So this was kind of off subject but like you back when I was looking up Amelia I wound up with Lindy and the name of the prize stuck with me. Because he had not complied with the rules for the prize but they waved them

Coupons, we have uncovered alot but now there are things that didn't make sense when we first saw them, now they seem to not be so strange. Example: There seemed to be too much aggression on the island, the guys were fighting all the time. Sayid and Sawyer, the fight now makes sense after what we saw Sayid go through in Australia and in the airport just before he leaves. Jin and Michael fighting, now makes sense, after Jin's run in with Mr. Paik's thug, Jin isn't sure who is watching him. It isn't as mysterious as it seemed when we first saw it. We can now look for pieces that put things into perspective and narrow down what is really bizarre.

Have we discussed the meaning of Ana Lucia's name yet?
Okay, I get mixed things from this: that she's going to be a powerful, benevolent presence, but also maybe an explorer (what if she is out exploring and finds our fuselage-section lostaways?) and conqueror...?


I think she WILL be the powerful, tough, girl who no one can 'conqueror'..if that makes sense, I think like most of Michelle's characters, she will be a tom-boyish type who fights her own fights and could give shannon a run for her money haha

Aaron, Claire's son's name means Lofty, exalted, high mountain. Biblically, Aaron was Moses' older brother (and keeper by God's command). He was first high priest of the Israelites, remembered for the miraculous blossoming of his staff or rod. Is of Hebrew and Arabic descent.

Well, given the rash behavior of some of our lostaways, I would hope that Claire's baby is Aaron on the side of caution. ::)

Do we have these names?

[INT. CONFERENCE ROOM - DAY -- FLASHBACK] (Claire meets with the adoptive parents and the attorney.) MR. SLAVITT (ATTORNEY): Arlene and Joseph will bring you to Melbourne. They'll pay your living and medical expenses. ARLENE STEWART: We found you an apartment. It's a really nice two-bedroom place, and, well, we think you're gonna be really comfortable in it. MR. SLAVITT (ATTORNEY): As discussed, once the baby's born and handed over to the Stewarts, you'll have no right to see the child again. You'll have no right to correspond with the child, and it will be entirely up to Arlene and Joseph to decide whether to tell the child anything about you. Understood? CLAIRE: Yes. MR. SLAVITT (ATTORNEY): Upon your discharge from the hospital, you will be given an additional payment of twenty thousand dollars.

I believe they are on the LLL but I don't know if they were ever put on this list.

Did they have any special meaning or connect with anyone/thing famous?

Did they have any special meaning or connect with anyone/thing famous?


I think the Stewart name is too generic for an easy search and Slavitt, no first name. Have a headache today not at my searching best.
Slavitt is a bankrupcy attorney

Why would a bankruptcy attorney be dealing with an adoption?

Have you seen this?

Boone Carlisle
Meaning of the name: Shannon referred to him as "God's gift to humanity". A boon is a gift.

A gift to the island, as opposed to a sacrifice?

A gift to the island, as opposed to a sacrifice?


Well, Locke did everything but wrap him up with a bow and ribbon, didn't he? I can't help but wonder if Boone wasn't a test for whoever Locke is working for. A test of loyalty, you know? Nothing more. Now, if Locke said to me, the way he said to Jack "Boone was a sacrifice the island demanded" I'd of said "Really, and how do you know that John?" which would have given us a very interesting conversation, I'm sure.

Njc-----------------

I was watching the Pilot episode (again) yesterday and I realized that the guy that got sucked in by the engine, might have survived if Locke hadn't called out to him to watch out for the engine. The guy was walking and seemed to be doing fine but Locke yells at him and he stops and that's when he gets sucked in. ?

J. Darby the Whisky/Scotch that Sawyer shares with Christian in "Outlaws"

J. Darby the Whisky/Scotch that Sawyer shares with Christian in "Outlaws"


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John Nelson Darby was born in Westminster, London of an Anglo-Irish landowning family and christened at St Margaret's on 3 March 1801. He was educated at Westminster School and Trinity College, Dublin, where he graduated Classical Gold Medallist in 1819. (His middle name is for the family friend Lord Nelson).

Darby embraced Christianity during his studies. He joined an "inn of court" but felt that being a lawyer was inconsistent with his religious belief, and so chose ordination as an Anglican clergyman in Ireland. (There is no evidence that he studied theology). Darby travelled extensively ministering to the poor and ignorant of Ireland.

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Darby was also the name of a virus (worm) spreading through sharing networks (Kazza and the likes of it) and may also spread through email and IRC

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Darby Crash (September 26, 1958 - December 7, 1980) was a rock musician.

Born Jan Paul Beahm, he had a troubled childhood, with his biological father leaving him, his mother being a devotee of Scientology and his older brother dying of a heroin overdose. In 1972 he set out to find his true father, only to find he was also dead. In 1976 he met Pat Smear (later of Nirvana and the Foo Fighters) and they formed Sophistifuck and the Revlon Spam Queens. They then changed it to The Germs. The Germs became a huge Los Angeles punk band, known for their chaotic live shows. Crash broke up the Germs (who once included future Go-Go's member Belinda Carlisle) and committed suicide with an intentional heroin overdose in 1980, a day before John Lennon was killed. His legacy has carried on past the release of The Germs (MIA): The Complete Anthology, in 1993.

Darby Crash is interred in the Holy Cross Cemetery in Culver City, California.

Anyone sees a distant connection between the name Jan Paul Beahm and the name of the brand of whiskey Jim Beam ?

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full Darby search on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=darby&fulltext=Search

Oh..something else about John Darby! He left the Anglican church and started what is today known at the Plymouth Bretheren denomination. He introduced and popularized the particular Biblical interpretation that believes such future events like 'the Rapture' as was popularized by the "Left Behind' series of books!

Oh..something else about John Darby! He left the Anglican church and started what is today known at the Plymouth Bretheren denomination. He introduced and popularized the particular Biblical interpretation that believes such future events like 'the Rapture' as was popularized by the "Left Behind' series of books!



Intriguing indeed, we have a Christian (Jack's father's name) who is sharing a bottle of Darby (Priest who also rewrote (sort of) the Bible) with Sawyer the sinner. And somehow the Shepherd (Shephard) convinces the Sawyer to commit a Sin

Ana Cortez as per Oceanic site I know not fact yet. Makes me wonder if she will conquer the others on her way to our group

Forgive me for not reading the entire thread. Perhaps this has been mentioned already.

I find it odd that three out of the six identified women on the island share names that obviously symbolize light. There may also be more subtle "light" connections to the other three.

Claire--clarity, light--St. Clare was a mystic, associate of St. Francis of Assisi and founder of the Poor Clares

"It is related that, as she raised the Blessed Sacrament on high, the soldiers who were about to enter the monastery fell backward as if dazzled, and the others who were ready to follow them took flight."

Ana Lucia--light--St. Lucia/Lucy was a Sicilian virgin and martyr. She is remembered on St. Lucy's Day in Scandinavian countries, when a daughter of the family wears a wreath of lit candles. Not only does her name symbolize light, but she is also associated with eyes and healing diseases of the eyes:

"One story says that when a suitor admired her beautiful eyes she cut them out and sent them to him, asking to be left in peace thereafter."

Sun--obviously, in English, the sun, giver of life and nurturer of plants--Korean as well as Japanese mythology had a sun goddess. (The Japanese sun goddess was the mythological founder of Japan's ruling dynasty, which was in actuality of Korean origin.)


The rest are less obvious.

Shannon--Celtic river goddess. Something called a Shannon Light Trap is used to trap insects.

Also found this:
"Shannon Parker, a young high school English teacher, purchases an ancient vase because it depicts a Celtic goddess who looks astonishingly like her. On the drive home, the vase releases a force that flings Shannon into Partholon, an alternate dimension in which everything Shannon knows as mythology - is reality."--synopsis of the novel Goddess by Mistake, P.C. Cast

Kate--seems to be an obvious reference to literature's most famous Kate, in Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew--our Kate is not a shrew, but she certainly needs taming.

But the life of St. Catherine of Siena is also intructive. Virgin, mystic and prolific author, she was also involved in politics and diplomacy, strove to work out a solution to an Italian civil war and the Great Schism in the church. Doesn't fit very well, except our Kate's role as a go-between.

Rose--lots of symbolism here, as the rose is the symbol of both the Blessed Virgin Mary and Juno, goddess of marriage and mother of the gods (the reason June brides carry roses). The rose is also the symbol of secrecy ("sub rosa"). There may be a "light" connection in the image of the rose window:

"A circular window, with mullions and traceries generally radiating from the centre, and filled with stained glasses. The term is suggested by the fancied resemblance of the window with its traceries to the rose and its petals. The rose window is one of the most beautiful and characteristic features of medieval architecture, especially of the French Gothic, in which it achieved its most perfect development. Its origin is to be found in the Roman oculus. During the Romanesque period the oculus became a window, and from about the middle of the twelfth century its dimensions began to increase with the development of gothic of Gothic architecture. By the middle of the thirteenth century it had attained the greatest possible size -- the entire width of the nave."

Danielle--although Danielle's last name is an obvious reference to Jean-Jacques Rousseau, her first name has more obscure symbolism. Perhaps it refers to the Biblical Daniel in the lion's den--an apt metaphor for Danielle, who has spent 16 years in the monster's "den":

"God did not prevent his servant from being thrown into the den of lions. But down there in that den, Daniel was not alone! God was with His servant! And you can depend on God. God sent His angel. An angel of light came from heaven into that den. This dazzling angel lighted up that evil darkness. It was bright down in that den. There was light streaming up out from the grates a cracks like a powerful search light into the skies."


I find this light symbolism intriguing, particularly in relation to the literal darkness of the caves and the tunnel into the hatch. I can't think of any "light" symbolism in any of the men's names.

P.S.: There may also be some "light" connections linked to Shannon's last name. The most famous Rutherford was Ernest Rutherford, the father of atomic physics. Here are some tidbits from his bio:

"At age ten at Foxhill School Ernest received his first science book. Amongst the many suggested experiments in it one, on using the speed of sound to determine the distance to a firing cannon, gave him the knowledge to surprise his family by estimating the distance to a lighting flash."

"Encouraged by Sir Robert Ball, who wished to solve the difficult problem that a ship could not detect a lighthouse in fog, and sensing fame and fortune, Rutherford increased the sensitivity of his apparatus until, in February of 1896, he could detect electromagnetic waves over a distance of several hundred metres, a then world record."

Ana Cortez as per Oceanic site I know not fact yet. Makes me wonder if she will conquer the others on her way to our group


If it is Cortez-- remember that Cortez was mistaken for Quetzalcoatl by the Aztecs. A mistake that Cortez used to his advantage to conquer the natives. Also, fitting into the light discussion above, Quetzalcoatl was the god of the morning star, and was considered a symbol of both death and resurrection...

Yes, that's interesting too. Also remember that Cortez, as vilified as he is by modern Mexicans, is also remembered as the co-founder, with his guide and consort La Malinche, of "La Raza"--the mestizo or mixed-blood Mexican race. Perhaps that symbolism will relate to how the Lostaways will come to some sort of understanding with the Others?

Ana Lucia has been spoilered as both a "movie star" and "the female Che Guevara" (although the second was linked to the mythical KROC interview). Kinda different backgrounds, but either one could explain her cockiness.

I can't believe I just read a reference to The Germs on this message board.

We are now officially overthinking everything. ;D

Posted by dparis79:

John Desmond Bernal
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I found this on another site posted by Sofie, but it makes for an interesting theory because of all the similarities...

In 1929, Dr. John Desmond Bernal conceived of the Bernal sphere, a rotating space colony with a diameter of approximately 15 kilometers (9.3 miles), filled with air and colonized around the equator, where the rotation of the colony would create centrifugal force to simulate Earth's gravity.

In the 60s and 70s, speculation and research into the possibility of space colonies experienced a renaissance, brought on by the Space Race. One of the most prominent thinkers participating in the design and advocacy of space colonies was Princeton physicist Gerard O'Neill, who in 1969 asked the provocative question, "Is the surface of a planet really the right place for an expanding technological civilization?" Throughout the 70s, O'Neill led workshops that investigated several proposed space colony designs in great detail. A NASA Summer Study in 1975 investigated three primary designs, dubbed Island One, Island Two, and Island Three. All three are based on the premise of a self-sustaining, artificial ecology within the station, called an arcology.

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Got this from the lost-tv.com website.



What could some of these actually mean? Daniel Boone; Walt Disney; Tom Sawyer :o
What are some of the other full names of characters?

I'm not sure if this link was given in another thread, but it does give the meaning to several of the people's names.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Characters+of+Lost&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&linktext=Characters%20of%20Lost

Also, here's a bit on Michael (http://http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=2&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael). (A name I hold close.)

The given name Michael or Micha'el (מִיכָאֵל "who is like God?" or "likened unto God"; Standard Hebrew Miḫaʾel, Tiberian Hebrew M ḵāʾēl; Septuagint Greek Μιχαηλ, Mikhaēl) derives from the name of the archangel Michael mentioned in the Bible, who is also considered a saint by Catholics. The name has been particularly popular in Orthodox nations, and was borne by several rulers of the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael

Here's something about Walt, if his name is actually Walter (http://http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=6&oi=define&q=http://www.britannica.com/search%3Fct%3Dgen1%26query%3Dtaxonomy).

German-born US biologist.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=6&oi=define&q=http://www.britannica.com/search%3Fct%3Dgen1%26query%3Dtaxonomy

Adrift - Michael's lawyer calls him Mr. Dillon

Desmond mentions Kelvin being the person that brought him to the hatch.

Kelvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomson%2C_1st_Baron_Kelvin): Desmond says that a Kelvin brought him into the hatch.
The Right Honourable William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin, GCVO, OM, PC, PRS (26 June 1824–17 December 1907) was a Scottish-Irish mathematical physicist and engineer, an outstanding leader in the physical sciences of the 19th century. He did important work in the mathematical analysis of electricity and thermodynamics, and did much to unify the emerging discipline of physics in its modern form.

He also enjoyed a second career as a telegraph engineer and inventor, a career that propelled him into the public eye and ensured his fame and honour.

Note his work on telegraph lines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomson%2C_1st_Baron_Kelvin#Transatlantic_ cable). Interesting in light of the cable that Sayid found on the beach...

Posted this on N.E.R.D. before I saw Sam G's pointer to this thread. It's probably apropos of nothing, but I do find it interesting that (Kris) Kelvin is the name of the astornaut in Solaris who interacts with a sentient planet.

I do find it interesting that (Kris) Kelvin is the name of the astornaut in Solaris who interacts with a sentient planet.


A sentient planet that created a living ghost of the wife of Kelvin.

Meaning of names:

AARON - ENLIGHTENED, MESSENGER
DHARMA- ULTIMATE LAW OF ALL THINGS
JACK - GOD IS GRACIOUS (AND HIS LAST NAME IS SHEPHARD)
LOCKE-FORREST
SAWYER - WOODCUTTER
HUGO - HUGH
MICHAEL - WHo IS LIKE GOD?
WALT - ARMY GENERAL
DANIELLE - GOD IS MY JUDGE
VINCENT - VICTORIOUS
SUN - SUN
JIN - TENDERNESS
CLAIRE - CLEAR, BRIGHT
KATE - PURE, VIRGINAL
BOONE - GOOD
SHANNON - LITTLE WISE OWL
CHARLES - MANLY, FARMER
DESMOND - ONE FROM S. MUENSTER (SOUTH MONSTER? HA)
NADIA - HOPEFUL

I am having trouble finding Sayid. I think it is a varient of Sayyid, which means "prince" and is used as a title like "mister".

Here are a few that I found:

JIN - jewel
SUN - gentle
SAYID - lord, master
JAMES - supplanter
HUGO - bright mind
LEONARD - brave
SARAH - princess
CHRISTIAN - anointed
HELEN - light
ALEX (feminine) - defender of mankind
SUSAN - flower/lily/rose
THOMAS - twin
BRIAN - honorable
EMILY - industrious
KELVIN - man from a narrow river

I have to give my sister credit for this one: Sawyer refers to Tom Sawyer, and he was lost on the raft remains with Michael, like Huck and Tom. My sister believes that they will stumble upon their own funeral, as Tom and Huck did. If Claire is going to find the bottle with messages soon, maybe there will be a funeral.

Kelvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomson%2C_1st_Baron_Kelvin): Desmond says that a Kelvin brought him into the hatch.


Note his work on telegraph lines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomson%2C_1st_Baron_Kelvin#Transatlantic_ cable). Interesting in light of the cable that Sayid found on the beach...

Hi, just wanted to chime in on Kelvin, and something interesting I stumbled upon looking up his name... Lord Kelvin was also an inventor and invented something called a Mirror galvanometer. Here's the link to the entire wikipedia explaination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_galvanometer


The basic explaination of it is: A mirror galvanometer is a mechanical meter that senses electric current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_%28electricity%29), except that instead of moving a needle, it moves a mirror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror). The mirror reflects a beam of light, which projects onto a meter, and acts as a long, weightless, massless pointer.
Mirror galvanometers were used extensively in scientific instruments before reliable, stable electronic amplifiers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_amplifier) were available. The most common uses were as recording equipment for seismometers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismometer) and submarine cables (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_cable)used for telegraphy.

But what really got me interested was this passage on it:At a receiving station the current coming in from the cable has simply to be passed through the coil before it is sent into the ground, and the wandering light spot on the screen faithfully represents all its variations to the clerk, who, looking on, interprets these, and cries out the message word by word. The small weight of the mirror and magnets which form the moving part of this instrument, and the range to which the minute motions of the mirror can be magnified on the screen by the reflected beam of light, which acts as a long impalpable hand or pointer, render the mirror galvanometer marvellously sensitive to the current, especially when compared with other forms of receiving instruments. Messages could be sent from the UK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) to the USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) through one Atlantic cable and back again through another, and there received on the mirror galvanometer...


Mirrors and magnets, huh. Interesting... Could this have something to do with all the mirror imagery/theories? How about that big beam of light that shoots out of the hatch? Is that sending out a message? Is the hatch a huge mirror galvanometer? Also, on the idea of transmitting messages, didn't Leonard and Sam hear the numbers transmitted from a remote listening station?

Any thoughts? Sorry if this is not the most appropriate thread for this, I am new to the boards -- if I should move this somewhere else, let me know...

More Names for the pool.
Marvin Candle
Gerald & Karen DeGroot
B.F. Skinner
Alvar Hanso

Goodwin - Staked body

Walt Whitman. He was an American author that was the first to use "I" in writing. He was part of the Trancendental movement that mainly focused on nature and the presence of God. Both existing at the same time and working with eachother, not as seperates but as equals.

If someone else already wrote about this, sorry. I'm lazy and didn't want to go through all the posts.

Is it absolutely confirmed that Desmond's partner in the hatch was named Kelvin, and not Calvin? The man did have quite the accent.

I would sooner think it was Calvin just because of the connection with the other names. Locke, Rousseau, and Rutherford (Shannon's last name) all were philosophers who wrote at length on the relation of man to society, how the law governed social interaction, etc. Calvin was one too -- and though I don't know what the writers were implying with their choice of names for the rest, Calvin is more in line with the rest than Kelvin.

Is it absolutely confirmed that Desmond's partner in the hatch was named Kelvin, and not Calvin? The man did have quite the accent.

I would sooner think it was Calvin just because of the connection with the other names. Locke, Rousseau, and Rutherford (Shannon's last name) all were philosophers who wrote at length on the relation of man to society, how the law governed social interaction, etc. Calvin was one too -- and though I don't know what the writers were implying with their choice of names for the rest, Calvin is more in line with the rest than Kelvin.There are transcripts up and spoilers that have the name as Kelvin.

A few more:

Bernard: bold as a bear
Ana Lucia: cave light
Libby: consecrated to God
Cindy (Cynthia): Greek goddess of the moon

Checked back through the thread but couldn't find Sawyer's real name mentioned - James Ford

There's too many James Ford's on Google to go into, including an archaelogist, an artist, a pirate/outlaw and a modern day MD who is Assistant Professor of Medicine and Genetics at Stanford.

How about Victor Hugo?
Quote:
Victor Hugo, the premier writer of the 19th century, through his vast and powerful collection of works, takes his place among the literary greats. His genius of words puts him in the company of Shakespeare, Dante, Homer, and several others, producing masterpieces built to withstand time and eternally touch the human heart.



Yeah I can see that. Shakespear often used the word dude....lol.

Goodwin - Staked body

I love looking for connections to the characters in Lost, so I searched the name Goodwin and found the following.


http://thrillingdetective.com/wolfe.html
Nero Wolfe and his investigator/bodyguard/secretary ARCHIE GOODWIN are just as much "eyes" as their predecessors Holmes and Watson – with a big helping of the American P.I. genes that defined the genre.


Archie Goodwin Comics http://www.lambiek.net/goodwin_archie.htm

Archie Goodwin wrote for King Features Syndicate ('Secret Agent X-9' for Al Williamson and 'Captain Kate' for Hale and Jerry Skelly), Marvel ('Sub-Mariner', 'Fantastic Four', 'Iron Man', etc) and D.C. ('Batman')

In 1975 he became a chief editor at Marvel. He was responsible for the comic adaptations of 'The Empire Strikes Back' and the daily 'Star Wars' strip, which he took over from Russ Manning. He launched Epic Illustrated magazine for Marvel. Until the 1980s, Goodwin kept launching new series for Marvel.
Archie Goodwin wrote some of the first Star Wars comics ever produced.


Careers in the Conflict Industry
HSUS and the Making of a Conflict Industrialist

http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsF03i.html

John Paul "JP" Goodwin
As one of the "All-Star" speakers at the 1997 Animal Rights Conference in DC, Goodwin participated in panels on "Gaining public attention (Developing tactics to gain public attention for our cause without damaging our public image)" with Elliot Katz of In Defense of Animals and Ingrid Newkirk of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Goodwin discussed training the next generation of conflict industry workers with: "The intergenerational connection (Improving relations between student groups and the rest of the movement)". He held "education and strategy training sessions" for young people, featuring Breaking Free!, a video glorifying crimes commited by ALF and the Earth Liberation Front.
A pattern of juvenile arrests emerged at protests organized by Goodwin/CAFT and another conflict group, the Animal Defense League (ADL). Sometimes the juveniles were from out of state, sometimes the arrests were during school hours. Goodwin praised the Straight Edge faction of young vegans, who turned intolerant and militant, for "breathing new life into the movement." To thwart attempts at identification, Goodwin and his cohorts took to donning ski masks. Now you see them, now you don’t.
An example of the relationship between the industry and its workers is demonstrated by the Humane Society of the United States’ (HSUS) recent hiring of John Paul "JP" Goodwin, previously of the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade (CAFT). Goodwin, who dropped out of high school to pursue protests, and stated, "My goal is the abolition of all animal agriculture", is now a full-fledged DC-based conflict industrialist.


Goodwin Biotech Inc http://www.goodwinbio.com/


Goodwin Procter law firm http://www.goodwinprocter.com/
Chess board on main page


Goodwin Hotel in Connetictut http://www.goodwinhotel.com/frame_gh.html
It's also the same shape as the Flat Iron Building that Michael admired in NY.


Goodwin golf group http://www.goodwingolf.com/


http://www.abgoodwin.com/mandala/
Clare Goodwin's Mandala Page


http://www.abgoodwin.com/mandala/ccweb.shtml

Goodwin - Staked body

I love looking for connections to the characters in Lost, so I searched the name Goodwin and found the following.


http://thrillingdetective.com/wolfe.html
Nero Wolfe and his investigator/bodyguard/secretary ARCHIE GOODWIN are just as much "eyes" as their predecessors Holmes and Watson – with a big helping of the American P.I. genes that defined the genre.


Archie Goodwin Comics http://www.lambiek.net/goodwin_archie.htm

Archie Goodwin wrote for King Features Syndicate ('Secret Agent X-9' for Al Williamson and 'Captain Kate' for Hale and Jerry Skelly), Marvel ('Sub-Mariner', 'Fantastic Four', 'Iron Man', etc) and D.C. ('Batman')

In 1975 he became a chief editor at Marvel. He was responsible for the comic adaptations of 'The Empire Strikes Back' and the daily 'Star Wars' strip, which he took over from Russ Manning. He launched Epic Illustrated magazine for Marvel. Until the 1980s, Goodwin kept launching new series for Marvel.
Archie Goodwin wrote some of the first Star Wars comics ever produced.


Careers in the Conflict Industry
HSUS and the Making of a Conflict Industrialist

http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsF03i.html

John Paul "JP" Goodwin
As one of the "All-Star" speakers at the 1997 Animal Rights Conference in DC, Goodwin participated in panels on "Gaining public attention (Developing tactics to gain public attention for our cause without damaging our public image)" with Elliot Katz of In Defense of Animals and Ingrid Newkirk of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Goodwin discussed training the next generation of conflict industry workers with: "The intergenerational connection (Improving relations between student groups and the rest of the movement)". He held "education and strategy training sessions" for young people, featuring Breaking Free!, a video glorifying crimes commited by ALF and the Earth Liberation Front.
A pattern of juvenile arrests emerged at protests organized by Goodwin/CAFT and another conflict group, the Animal Defense League (ADL). Sometimes the juveniles were from out of state, sometimes the arrests were during school hours. Goodwin praised the Straight Edge faction of young vegans, who turned intolerant and militant, for "breathing new life into the movement." To thwart attempts at identification, Goodwin and his cohorts took to donning ski masks. Now you see them, now you don’t.
An example of the relationship between the industry and its workers is demonstrated by the Humane Society of the United States’ (HSUS) recent hiring of John Paul "JP" Goodwin, previously of the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade (CAFT). Goodwin, who dropped out of high school to pursue protests, and stated, "My goal is the abolition of all animal agriculture", is now a full-fledged DC-based conflict industrialist.


Goodwin Biotech Inc http://www.goodwinbio.com/


Goodwin Procter law firm http://www.goodwinprocter.com/
Chess board on main page

Well, the crop circles were first recognised by the media in 1980, when the first real Newspaper report was published on ... Senior Web Developer. at Goodwin Procter. (Boston)
http://www.tribe.net/thread/ac6ca74b-f576-4329-a87a-a98b65254465?tribeid=c0a24486-9993-4035-b0a2-56c66a06966a



Goodwin Hotel in Connetictut http://www.goodwinhotel.com/frame_gh.html
It's also the same shape as the Flat Iron Building that Michael admired in NY.


Goodwin golf group http://www.goodwingolf.com/


http://www.abgoodwin.com/mandala/
Clare Goodwin's Mandala Page


http://www.abgoodwin.com/mandala/ccweb.shtml

Some of the names were not right, heres a new copy of them.
Ana-Lucia Cortez
Boone Carlyle
Charlie Pace
Claire Littleton
Hugo Reyes
Jack Shepard
Jin-Soo Kwon
Kate Austen
John Locke
Michael Dawson
James "Sawyer" Ford
Sayid Jarrah
Shannon Rutherford
Sun-Soo Kwon
Walt Lloyd

For Sayid, I'm pretty sure it was confirmed his name was from Edward Said. A TV Guide article mentioned this as a confirmed thing, along with Locke and Rousseau.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Said




I just posted a big thing on Said and Orientalism as my second ever post in the general theory forum under a thread on Africa. I should point out that a very important part of Said's studies on culture involved a concept of alien-ness or 'otherness' (this didn't seem to be mentioned in the wikipedia article, in these terms, anyway). Orientalism dealt with how Western Culture dealt with foreign Asian cultures in terms of their differences, treating them as 'the other,' meaning, 'other from us.' It's a very egocentric world view, the study of which leads to other interesting insights into post-colonial theory. It's a whole can of worms which I doubt will impact the story line of "Lost," but which adds a very interesting thematic thread.

Anyway, this is a good, basic site that gives some background on Said's work on Orientalism, etc... http://www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/Orientalism.html

I just posted a big thing on Said and Orientalism as my second ever post in the general theory forum under a thread on Africa. I should point out that a very important part of Said's studies on culture involved a concept of alien-ness or 'otherness' (this didn't seem to be mentioned in the wikipedia article, in these terms, anyway). Orientalism dealt with how Western Culture dealt with foreign Asian cultures in terms of their differences, treating them as 'the other,' meaning, 'other from us.' It's a very egocentric world view, the study of which leads to other interesting insights into post-colonial theory. It's a whole can of worms which I doubt will impact the story line of "Lost," but which adds a very interesting thematic thread.

Anyway, this is a good, basic site that gives some background on Said's work on Orientalism, etc... http://www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/Orientalism.html

I see you found this thread anyway. There are tons of great long running threads on the boards. You might like to check out N.E.R.D.S.. If you look at the bottom of my posts there is a link to the LOST Library, there a a bunch of the frequently used threads and other information stored there.

Keep posting and Welcome to the boards

Thanks for the tips. I'll definitely check it out.

This is soo cool! Has anyone been able too find anything on Kate? let me know :-D

"Walt" brings to mind, in the context of Sawyer, Boone, and Locke, Walt Whitman not Walt Disney. Although, I presume, Disney has no small part in this, I wish Mary Poppins would go make a chalk painting with Dick van Dyck. I don't want any more subtle lost boys-Disney-references in the show. It cheapens the effort for everyone. There are enough adverts as it is.

I dont know much about French culture, but I remember ROUSSEA was a philosopher and MONTAND (the team leader who lost his arm in the dark terrotory) was a french actor similar in stature to Humphrey Bogart-can anyone teach me more about MOntand and his LoST connection?

Marvin Candle? The unit of light intensity is a "Candela"

KElvin was a British Lord whoi invented the temperature scale 0K is -273 c when atomic motion stops completely. Hrm, manipulation of moving things. Is this referring to someone manipulated the plane crash or is someone moving the island?

Jack Sheppard. My brothers middle name is Sheppard because in Feb 1970, when he was born, Sheppard went to the moon Apollo 14 was last mission men landed on the moon ALAN Sheppard played golf in moon gravity as an experiment. Remember Jack playing golf on the island? WHAT A COINCIDENCE/CLUE? probably forgot the significance of that because Sawyer joked "whats next, cop eating a donut"? But I think island has strange magnetic properties-Locke can walk (prosthetic legs magnetized) but the golf allusion to gravity went unnoticed......
Jack was the protagonist in LORD OF THE FLIES.

Desmond...Desmond Tutu Catholic Bishop (ya got to lift er up brutha!)

Walt Disney has already been referenced several times-FINDING NEMO (shannon remembers the french song ending to Nemo)
and what about the geodesic panels in the swan? Geodesic Dome (gold ball archictecture-made up of hexagons like a soccer ball) I thought when we first saw the inside of the hatch of EPCOT at DISNEY land (Experimental Prototype Community of tomorrow). Disney was going to contract to GM and other corporate sponsors to research the transportation, farming, etc for the future "experimental prototype community of tomorrow=epcot" and wasnt degrut investigating "utopian prototype societies" in the orientation video that was hacked? thehansofoundation.org now has a "life extension" project document about "expirement 626" thats from LILO & STITCH another Disney cartoon.

WALT DISNEY was an engineering pioneer...Magnetic levitating trains-mag lev-prototype was the monorail at his theme parks. They want these things all over europe and japan and even tried to build one in texas (connecting dallas, austin houston) but abandoned the tx mag lev project I think Walt Disney not Walt Whitman...pioneering scientists versus literary giant (like Sawyer). And Disney and Tom Sawyer are connected since Walt Disney filmed a live action Tom sawyer and Huck FInn Movie and there is "tom Sawyers Island" at Disneyland (or has this been converted to Jamestown Island-I know the canoes are now pocahontas canoes not thom sawyer rafts anymore) TOM SAWYERS RAFT! Did ya get the connection to Disneyland in that episode or did ya think about the books?

Charlie and Lucy-Comic strip characters from PEANUTS!

not sure if Kelvin has been addressed yet, sorry if it has.
interesting stuff: http://zapatopi.net/lordkelvin.html

My take on this - they purposely selected names that mean something or link to something in order to get us thinking. IE the airline Oceanic -referring to projects/ studies of tropical climates. Sidetracks or clues..

I have made a complete "meanining-of-names" list together with TheZealot, so feel free to check it out:

(Part 1) http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22081
(Part 2) http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22082

I have made a complete "meanining-of-names" list together with TheZealot, so feel free to check it out:

(Part 1) http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22081
(Part 2) http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22082Thanks.

Thanks John Locke and TheZealot.

It makes it so much easier to find clues when everything is together. I appreciate your effort.

Sawyer refers to Anna-Lucia Cortez as Ponce De Leon
Sawyer gets called Cowboy again (We are suppoed to make a mental note of that I suppose.)

Check out this theory from Utopian Hatch......can't remember the ending of his name.

We now have a recurring clue-"Ponce"

Charlie called Sawyer a "ponce" after Sawyer read Claires diary, I dismissed this the first time as maybe the writers respecting ABC standards and practices and used this word instead of slang for P#$$& cat, female body part.

Last night Sawyer calls ANA "PONCE DE LEON"

any connection between the 2 episodes, "PONCE" is a recurring clue.....for what???
1. Ponce De Leon discovered Florida-could the real mr sawyer be lingering in florida? allusion to "the tampa job"?
2. Ana = Ponce DeLeon initials APDL unscrambled LAPD shes an LAPD copper
3. Ponce DeLeon was searching for the fountain of youth. Dharma has a "life extension project" on this isle-visit thehansofoundation.org, this mission objective link has been updated with a press release! life extension project=fountain of youth?

That's great unscrambling. There's also Cortez who was another explorer, that's been mentioned already.

elfdream just responded to this post and said that he wasn't the first to land in Florida, because the native Americans were already there. I don't know if it ruins this theory, or it's just semantics (is that the word?) I like how it rolls off the tongue.

The whole thread went off topic, due to an angry poster, and I stupidly responded. I should be good for another year now. ( It seems every 1000 post I see like that, is the straw that breaks the camels back, and I feel compelled to say something) When will I learn. They just want attention, and I should know better than responding.

Anyways, I still love how UPHM connected it all.

Just thought I'd mention this.Already mentioned it in the Eko's Tribe thread.Just wondered what people thought here

I know they are spelt different and pronounced differently but maybe Eko is also a reference to the author Umberto Eco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Eco

The guy was a mediavilist,author and philosopher.His novels include
'In the Name of the Rose' which is about a monk in medieval times investigating a murder.(religous connection there)
Foucaults Pendulum which is about some bored writers who concoct a conspiracy theory which some readers then begin to believe in.
The Island of the Day Before which is about a guy marooned on an Island by the International Date Line (hmmm lol)
The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana about someone who loses their memory (Clare Connection!)
He also wrote some philiosophy books on Morality (Something our guy has bags of it seems)
It may not be an intention on the writers part but some connections are there anyway.Brought from the "Maybe Eko wan't on the plane" thread

I know they are spelt different and pronounced differently but maybe Eko is also a reference to the author Umberto Eco.

Coincidentally, (or perhaps not!) I just developed the idea in another thread that Lost is a post-modernist show. I compared it to Eco's The Name of the Rose.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=27379&page=4

This is probably a coincidence because if the names are connected to characteristics of characters, then I can't imagine how Eko = Eco. The connection would have to be that Eco = Abrams.

All of this hard work you all do does not go unappreciated!

I posted on another thread but....

Rose In part it means simply "rose" from the word for the fragrant flower (derived from Latin rosa). However, it may have originally been a short form of names beginning with the Germanic element hros meaning "horse".

bernard- brave bear Derived from the Germanic element bern "bear" combined with hard "brave, hardy". This was the name of several saints, including Saint Bernard of Menthon who built hospices in the Swiss Alps in the 10th century, and Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, a 12th-century theologian and Doctor of the Church.

A black horse and a white bear. I love it!

@ Waltisfuture: Is that a new avatar? Reminds me of a pleasure dome, as in the romantic poem about Xanadu. Is this your interpretation of the security system over our fuselagers?

PS: How are you guys using color words?

I know they are spelt different and pronounced differently but maybe Eko is also a reference to the author Umberto Eco.

Funky!!

Might I just toot my own horn (toot-toot) and point out my satirical fan fic (link in my signature) that opens with my main character, Dewey, finding a copy of Umberto Eco's "Foccault's Pendulum"?

Open on a close-up of an EYE. Pull back to reveal that it is the EYE OF UMBERTO ECO, the famous Italian author, from a picture printed on the back of a paperback novel. The novel is caked in dried mud.

A hand reaches into frame and digs the novel out of the dirt. Brushing it off, we see our hero for the first time, DEWEY. Dewey is an older guy, a bit unassuming, a little like Colin Mochrie. Dewey looks over the book – it is a copy of FOUCAULT’S PENDULUM.

Satisfied, he places the book into a black gym bag. The gym bag is loaded with reading material – books, novels, magazines, newspapers – some half burnt, others in good condition. Throwing the gym bag back over his shoulder, he trudges onward through the jungle.

And add ...

Foucault's Pendulum In this book, by Umberto Eco, told in the form of a kind of intellectual game, three friends compile a fictitious plan (the "Plan") which stretches throughout history and hopes to combine all conspiracy theories, also embracing unlikely opposites.

The marshall was edward - Means "rich guard", derived from the Old English elements ead "rich, blessed" and weard "guard".

There was Eddie the guard @ Anthony Coopers and Edward Mars the Marshal. On the show we still don't know his name.

I'd like to stick my 2 cents:

Goodwin: He was given that name as a reflection of his job - he identifies the good-ones.

Ethan Rom: Also a reflection of his job - he is "the other" in disguise.

Herk ... Very nice! Nail on the head!

@ Herk...I always love reading your posts.... :-)

Do you think that Ethan was a bad one? left behind by the Others because he could not overcome his quilt in life?

Do you think that Ethan was a bad one? left behind by the Others because he could not overcome his quilt in life?

No, I think that's what made him good at his job. His imperfection was his costume, if you will.

No, I think that's what made him good at his job. His imperfection was his costume, if you will.


kewl...his costume allowed him to get into the dome...well that left him quite venerable to the survivors....now didn't it?

At the time of Kate's arrest, her last name is Dobbs.

I found this:

ana-lucia anna-gracious Latinate form of HANNAH. It appears briefly in the New Testament belonging to a prophetess who recognized Jesus as the Messiah. It was also borne by an 18th-century empress of Russia and by the the main character in Tolstoy's 'Anna Karenina', a woman forced to chose between her son and her lover.

Lucia= Feminine form of LUCIUS. Saint Lucia was a 4th-century martyr from Syracuse who had her eyes gouged out.

The eyes reference is particularly interesting to me. It is also a biblical name.

On the Christian tip-

BIBLICAL (all are character names on Lost).

libby-consecrated to God From Elisabet, the Greek form of the Hebrew name Elisheba meaning "my God is an oath" or perhaps "my God is abundance". In the New Testament this is the name of the mother of John the Baptist.

michael- From the Hebrew name Miyka'el which meant "who is like God?". This is the name of one of the seven archangels in Hebrew tradition and the only one identified as an archangel in the Bible. In the Book of Revelation in the New Testament he is portrayed as the leader of heaven's armies, and thus is considered the patron saint of soldiers.

danielle-God is my judge feminine form of danielle From the Hebrew name Daniyel meaning "God is my judge". Daniel was a Hebrew prophet whose story is told in the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament. He lived during the Jewish captivity in Babylon, where he served in the court of the king, rising to prominence by interpreting the king's dreams. The book also presents Daniel's four visions of the end of the world..

nathan-he gave Means "giver" in Hebrew. In the Old Testament this is the name of a prophet and also a son of King David. This name can also function as a short form of JONATHAN or NATHANAEL.
From the Hebrew name Nethane'el which meant "God has given". In the New Testament this is the name of an apostle also known as Bartholomew.

jake jack john janelle- English forms of Johannes, which was the Latin form of the Greek name Ιωαννης (Ioannes), itself derived from the Hebrew name Yochanan meaning "YAHWEH is gracious". This name owes its consistent popularity to two New Testament characters, both highly revered as saints. The first was John the Baptist, the forerunner of Jesus Christ and a victim of beheading by Herod Antipas. The second was the apostle John, also supposedly the author of the fourth Gospel and Revelation.

For info on Jake and Janelle see

http://www.cubit.net/lost/census.php?PHPSESSID=dd29546fae1251f9d7df1ca8dfde0 c89

aaron- From the Hebrew name Aharon which is most likely of unknown Egyptian origin. Other theories claim a Hebrew derivation, and suggest meanings such as "high mountain" or "exalted". In the Old Testament Aaron was the older brother of Moses and the first high priest of the Israelites.

james sawyer- English form of the Late Latin Jacomus which was derived from Iakobos, the New Testament Greek form of Ya'aqov (see JACOB). This is the name of two apostles in the New Testament. The first was Saint James the Greater, the apostle John's brother, who was beheaded by Herod Agrippa in the Book of Acts. The second was James the Lesser, son of Alphaeus. Another James (known as James the Just) is also mentioned in the Bible as being the brother of Jesus.

sayid- Means "lord, master" in Arabic..
Seth is another form of Sayid -Means "placed" or "appointed" in Hebrew. In the Old Testament he was the third son of Adam and Eve, and forefather of the entire human race.

sarah- Means "lady" or "princess" in Hebrew. This was the name of the wife of Abraham in the Old Testament. She became the mother of Isaac at the age of 90. Her name was originally Sarai, but God changed it (see Genesis 17:15). (only mentioned because Jack's wife is named Sarah)

larry- Saint Laurence was a 3rd-century deacon and martyr from Rome. According to tradition he was roasted alive on a gridiron because, when ordered to hand over the church's treasures, he presented the sick and poor. (Larry is a survivor from the middle section of Oceanic Flight 815. We only know of Larry through Janelle Granger's diary, the diary featured on ABC's LOST website. In the diary, Janelle mentions that Larry annoys her.)

nancy- grace French form of HANNAH. This is the name traditionally assigned to the mother of the Virgin Mary, though she is not mentioned in the Bible. (Nancy is an abducted tailie)

steve- From the Greek name Στεφανος (Stephanos) which means "crown". Saint Stephen was an early Christian martyr who was stoned to death, as told in Acts in the New Testament.

Goodwin Means "friend of god", derived from Old English god combined with wine "friend". This was the name of the powerful 11th-century Earl of Wessex, the father of King Harold II of England.

Check this out: Hugo de Groot, found this link, there's also mention of John Locke:
http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/philosophers/grotius.html

Grotius is Latin for De Groot (Dutch), scientists tended to keep latin names to add to their status in those days. The man was born as Hugo de Groot, and known by that name in The Netherlands.

DeGroot being the guy from HANSO, but you all get that right??

Also tried a google for Victor Hurley and came up with this:

"Andrew Hurley was a distinguished theoretical chemist, noted for his clear insights, which he was always ready to share, and for his mathematical ingenuity. His career spanned what in many ways was the defining era of computational quantum chemistry."

"Andrew is survived by Yvonne and by their children, Victor, Catherine and Mark. Victor and Mark are specialist medical practitioners and Catherine is an ABC journalist and program administrator."

Kate Hurley lives !!

The guy lived in Australia
Coincidence or fate ??

So many character names represent either Science or Faith. The only one I think was clearly a play on words was Ethan Rom. The anagram seems to be important. More than any other literary reference.

Also tried a google for Victor Hurley and came up with this:

"Andrew Hurley was a distinguished theoretical chemist, noted for his clear insights, which he was always ready to share, and for his mathematical ingenuity. His career spanned what in many ways was the defining era of computational quantum chemistry."

"Andrew is survived by Yvonne and by their children, Victor, Catherine and Mark. Victor and Mark are specialist medical practitioners and Catherine is an ABC journalist and program administrator."

Kate Hurley lives !!

The guy lived in Australia
Coincidence or fate ??

Regarding both your posts: Very good research. I will think about this too much!!