so how long before sawyer gets sick?

I think Sawyer has more to worry about from that dart in the foot than the beer.

Well..I guess the length of time before Sawyer gets sick, tells us just how long the beer's been there?
I mean, we don't really know how long ago Dharma left the island.

Hmm does anyone know how long it takes for a body to decompose to the degree that the skeleton was at? Hehehe I guess that's how long the beer was there. Another question: How long does light beer last?
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Hmm does anyone know how long it takes for a body to decompose to the degree that the skeleton was at? Hehehe I guess that's how long the beer was there.

It actually doesn't take very long for a body to decompose at all--especially if it's out in the elements like that. (I read a lot of forensics-type books). Yes, I'm a nerd. :biggrin:

The real question is--why does beer suddenly become poisonous? Is that what everyone is thinking?

I would have to agree that he should be more worried about the dart than bad beer. Does beer really skunk or just taiste yucky when too warm?

thats just it, he will blame the beer, but it will have been the dart that may make him sick

skunked beer wont kill him...

I had only heard of the term 'skunked' when one of my buddies made a batch and it got contaminated, or a seal broke on the barrel. I thought alcohol if made right, and if there was nothing wrong with the water used in the making of it was a non-parishable. but then again heat is an issue, though I am confused at this point also. Because the only guy of my freinds that brew their own that I actually see the process of is my Father In law, and he keeps the barrel behind the heating stove, but that is while it is .. doing it's becoming beer stuff. is heat damage to beer irreversable? or could one stash it under the river/ocean/creek/crick? oh well there is my giant blob of questions about beer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunked_beer

That beer had to be nasty nasty NASTY...

Beer is fermented, correct?
So it would be like leaving...yogurt out?
It would just continue fermenting?

It's beer, I'd drink it no matter how old it was if I was stranded on scary island. :biggrin:

but for Sawyer his stomach could be used to that much yucky alcohol!

I'm guessing that the poor boy just needed a drink and that he was willing to take whatever he could get. But what was Jin's excuse?

Yea. That had to be some fowl beer and Sawyer may have gas or the runs for a few days, but I doubt it would do major harm. I've drank some skunked beer in my time (and I don't ever like beer) and I don't envy him. But to some people beer is beer and Sawyer seems like one of those people.

I dunno.... Maybe Dharma beer is specially formulated to withstand 120 degrees in a humid jungle?? If not, then...

Beer is a perishable product (http://www.tastings.com/beer/perishable.html)...

Typically, the freshness period for a lager is four months; for stronger craft-brewed ales, five months. High-gravity, high-strength beers such as doppelbocks typically carry a six- to twelve-month freshness period. All of the preceding assumes proper handling of the beer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunked_beer

OK, maybe skunked beer wasn't the best way to describe it, but Sawyer did say that it was flat. That and the fact that it was warm, but I guess if your desparate you'll drink anything.

http://info.carlsberg.com/Info/frameset.htm?pUrl=%2FInfo%2FSociety%5FEnviroment%2 FNutrition%2FOld%2BBeer%2Ehtm

I got this off the Carlsberg Beer website after googling:

Can you drink old beer?

Time-expired beer does not make you sick, but the flavour may have changed and turned bread-like. Pathogenic bacteria cannot grow in beer - partly because of the content of alcohol, carbon dioxide and bitter components of hops and partly because the pH value is low, just below 4.5.


The brewery guarantees that the beer keeps its flavour and appearance during the indicated shelf-life period. We recommend cool but frost-free storage. Protect the beer against heat from radiators etc. and against sunlight.


The bottles are labelled "best before". That means that the beer is still drinkable after the fixed expiry date but that no guarantees are given for flavour or appearance. The "old" taste appears gradually, depending on the storage conditions.
Shops and restaurants are not allowed to sell time-expired beer.

The cans could have protected it from the light - temp changes do not cause beer to get skunked - but extreme heat or direct sun light - could cause the taiste to change - making it HORRIBLE!

Well, even if it was poisonous or something, maybe Sawyer is just immortal. Back when he chased that frog around, I could have SWORN it was a poison-dart frog, but he squished it and nothing happened. So perhaps he can survive anything:

1. plane crash
2. being tortured
3. being shot
4. swimming with sharks
5. squishing poisonous frogs
6. being tortured
7. almost being executed (multiple times)
8. funky beer

He's a superhero!! :biggrin:

I'm sure Sawyer would've preferred a few shots of McCutchens instead.

1. plane crash
2. being tortured
3. being shot
4. swimming with sharks
5. squishing poisonous frogs
6. being tortured
7. almost being executed (multiple times)
8. funky beer

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Yeah, stanky beer is really the least of Sawyer's problems, isn't it???

Yuck, I hate the fact that Sawyer was actually drinking that beer!!! Gross!

It made me look at my unopened can of Billy Beer from 1976 a bit differently! :)

OK, maybe skunked beer wasn't the best way to describe it, but Sawyer did say that it was flat. That and the fact that it was warm, but I guess if your desparate you'll drink anything.

well assumingly then, its far worse than only skunked beer, beer can sunk in a day, what would several hundred days do to beer?
sounds like a mythbuster case...

The dharma ranch dressing could last.. what was it, 7 years after it was opened without refridgeration? Surely their beer lasts longer than normal beer? :biggrin:

Sawyer probably didn't care what it tasted like. After all he'd been through recently and with Kate kinda brushing him off before getting back to camp he probably deserves a drink.

I'm hoping not, but maybe Sawyer has a "death wish" or the writers have a death wish for Sawyer.

Bottle beer is more likely to skunk than can beer due to light exposure. That is why beer that is in dark bottles last longer that beer in clear bottles. Sawyer did say that the beer was flat. Skunked beer wont kill you, some people just can't stomach it. I guess Sawyer can.

The bigger mystery is how did the battery in that van still have enough charge in it to start the Van?

The island healed the beer.

The bigger mystery is how did the battery in that van still have enough charge in it to start the Van?


It didn't. They jump started it. Getting enough forward momentum on a manual transmission vehicle and then dis-engaging the clutch (or throwing the vehicle in gear) forces the motor to turn. If the engine is in sound condition and the fuel usable, the vehicle WILL start if the ignition is in the on position.

During that scene, I thought of the Steven King short story where the father drinks skunky beer and turns into a foamy monster thing that smells bad. :rolleyes:

The dharma ranch dressing could last.. what was it, 7 years after it was opened without refridgeration? Surely their beer lasts longer than normal beer? :biggrin:

Well spotted.

Dharma products are clearly using some method OTHER than the standard commerical methods for preserving products.

In your typical grocery store product, a manufacturer puts in anti fungal, anti microbial, and anti bacterial preservatives.

Beer is either het pasturized, or is filtered and has a shelf life of a few months.

But the longevity of the ranch dressing could be achieved one and one way only.
Iradiation of the food.

The military here in the US uses food radiation to preserve the foods in MREs. Once you iradiate a packet of sealed food, the food will neither get more or less bad... until that seal is broken. Some MRE's sit for years, untouched...and are as good (or bad) as they were the day they were packaged.

Just pointing out... this technology has been around a long time, and it would explain the shelf life of the food, and why the beer might not be so bad after all.

So likely, all the dharma food is simply iradiated after packaging. and then stored for years at a time, beer included.

I mean you can do the same thing with milk... and it'll stay good for years, till the seal is broken, or if it's frozen (causing the milk fat to seperate but not make it go bad)

If it's Dharma brand, I'll take it :biggrin:
If fact, I would like it if Lost sells some Dharma food.

The island healed the beer.
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Seeing Sawyer drink the skunked beer just reminded me of college. :biggrin:

The dharma ranch dressing could last.. what was it, 7 years after it was opened without refridgeration?

I always wondered what the hell that stuff was made of to last so long ... and more importantly what would it do to you if you ate it?
Something that has enough preservatives in it to last for 7 years at tropical temperatures *cannot* be good for you! :sick:

I wonder what the "born-on" date was for that beer? You know, for the timeline. :biggrin:

I wonder what the "born-on" date was for that beer? You know, for the timeline. :biggrin:

Well, I'm told that song was from 1973, so we can assume around the same time.

30 year old beer - yum! :biggrin:

Poor Sawyer...trading his expensive whisky for ancient beer. :shakehead:

Poor Sawyer...trading his expensive whisky for ancient beer. :shakehead:
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I thought Sawyer was going to topple down the hill when he went after the Dharma-mobile. He certainly drank enough to be pulled over if he had been behind the wheel instead of Hurley.

The question is, does Sawyer have enough asprin left for his hang over tomorrow?

I always wondered what the hell that stuff was made of to last so long ... and more importantly what would it do to you if you ate it?
Something that has enough preservatives in it to last for 7 years at tropical temperatures *cannot* be good for you! :sick:

It's along the same lines as the puddings that don't need refrigeration - how does that not cause concern? :sick: INDEED!

:rotflmao2:

I thought Sawyer was going to topple down the hill when he went after the Dharma-mobile. He certainly drank enough to be pulled over if he had been behind the wheel instead of Hurley.

The question is, does Sawyer have enough asprin left for his hang over tomorrow?

:lol2: I personally would have loved to have seen Sawyer topple down the hill. :w00t:

In all seriousness though, if this had happened in real life, Sawyer would be considered the dumbest guy on the planet to have drank ancient beer and that excessively. :eek1:

Who's to say how old the beer really was? Eko's brothers corpse didn't look too great and it hadn't been on the island 30 yrs. The beer could have came from a more recent food drop, and as someone mentioned, the pop-tops on the cans were the newer style.

It didn't. They jump started it. Getting enough forward momentum on a manual transmission vehicle and then dis-engaging the clutch (or throwing the vehicle in gear) forces the motor to turn. If the engine is in sound condition and the fuel usable, the vehicle WILL start if the ignition is in the on position.Also add if it is an older car like this one with a generator instead of an alternator.

I have had fresh from the store recently brewed beer that was skunky due to a defective container.:mad:

100+ in the shade may have helped my thirst but I have had older beer that was still drinkable in steel cans with rust spots during a time when aluminum pop top cans had been in production for a few years)

If you can stand the flavor, beer in container that has not leaked should probably be drinkable.

Maybe it's special beer. (Though I am a little foggy on the concepts that make beer beer) It could be like the Dharma ranch dressing and have an extra long shelf life.

As for a more recent food drop, we assume the beer is old because Hurley thinks it's old. The van could just be surplus from the '60's-'70's but hasn't been on the Island that long. The "beer run" could have taken place only a few years ago and we assume because the car has an eight-track tape player that it is as old as when "Shambala" came out.

But out of curiosity fogey, how old was the beer in the steel cans?

But out of curiosity fogey, how old was the beer in the steel cans? Unknown. Ask Uncle Sam it was on an overseas military base. Who knows how long "he" stock piles beer? :undecide:

Maybe it's special beer. (Though I am a little foggy on the concepts that make beer beer) It could be like the Dharma ranch dressing and have an extra long shelf life.

As for a more recent food drop, we assume the beer is old because Hurley thinks it's old. The van could just be surplus from the '60's-'70's but hasn't been on the Island that long. The "beer run" could have taken place only a few years ago and we assume because the car has an eight-track tape player that it is as old as when "Shambala" came out.

But out of curiosity fogey, how old was the beer in the steel cans?

I agree. A few years ago is still old for beer. I'm not real concerned about the 8track in the van... the Other's have record players rather than cds, and the computers in the hatches were very old, even though they were getting supplies dropped. VW vans are said to last a good long time, so maybe they had them there just because they're more reliable? I can't see that they have anything on that island thats very modern, except for the washer and dryer. ;) Just because its an old van, doesnt mean it's been laying there crashed since the 70s.