It's become clearer and clearer that the writers dont have material for a 4th season as they barely have material for season 3.

We've only had 1 great episode so far this year, (the Desmond episode). Season premiere was good but not great, the rest of the episodes have been sub-par at best!

They have resorted to gimmick casting (Bai Ling, Cheech Marin) to get new viewers which wont work as most people wont start watching the show because they would of needed to be watching from the beginning to have any clue as to what is going on. Would you start watching CSI 55 minutes after it started? No cuz you dont know what's happened so far so why bother, right? Now imagine you missed the first 55 hours. Still trying to figure what Ling and Marin have has drawing power.......

They have resorted to gimmick promos (We'll get 3 answers, thelostexperience.com) to keep old viewers. Well we all know how well that's turning out.

Maybe it's time the writers stopped waisting time with things that have nothing to with the show like websites, jack's tattoos, fake books, the next star trek movie and maybe, just maybe try to salvage the series never mind the season!

PLEASE, JUST END IT ALREADY!

Why don't you stop watching and let those of use who are enjoying it, keep watching? I don't want it to end. I don't think Cheech Marin was stunt casting and even if it was what do I care? I enjoyed the episode.

Why don't you stop watching and let those of use who are enjoying it, keep watching? I don't want it to end. I don't think Cheech Marin was stunt casting and even if it was what do I care? I enjoyed the episode.


Of all the things I mentionned that's the one you nitpick about?

What about the other things I mentionned?

You do have to admit that this season has been more or less horrible. Out of all episodes so far this season, how many can you say were great? More importantly: How many can you say would draw new fans? What do you think happens if I and everyone else does what you suggest if we dont like this season?

Let me put this way: Less Old Fans(Like you suggested) + Less New Fans = No Viablity for a TV show. If you tell everyone to stop watching it, sooner or later there is going to be only you watching it and do you think they'll make this show just because you want to watch it?

Are you still sure you want us to stop watching?

The reason I suggest they consider finishing it all this season is because I love the show, I am a huge fan. If I wasnt, I wouldnt be here, right? Bottom line is I'd rather see them finish on top then being cancelled mid season because everyone lost interest.

They're not exactly moving the show along fast (that became really obvious when I watched this week's head-spinning Heroes, which included what would have been a full year of plot development for LOST).

But with the exception of SIASL, which I hated, I've been pleased with the season. Hurley's episode didn't really bring any answers or move the plot forward (except for Danielle apparently joining the rescue mission), but I enjoyed it quite a bit. Desmond's episode was truly, amazingly brain-frying. The most heart-stopping moment on LOST so far, for me, was in the Eko episode: "You speak to me as if I were your brother." (HOLY CRAP! That means anyone could be something other than what he/she/it seems to be!) I loved the season-opener episode and the intriguing and puzzling view of life in Otherville. Juliet's episode brought more questions than answers, but it opened up the show in an intriguing new direction. I loved the Kate-and-Sawyer love-in-a-cage story. I love the Desmond-and-Penelope reverse-Odyssey story. I love Alex. I love the creepyness of Ben and Juliet.

I think you may be half-right, and it might be best to start answering questions, tying things up and ending the show at Season 4. There seems to be a lot of tease and obfuscation nowadays and not much progress toward an ultimate solution.

I think you may be half-right, and it might be best to start answering questions, tying things up and ending the show at Season 4. There seems to be a lot of tease and obfuscation nowadays and not much progress toward an ultimate solution.

Sadly, I'm more than half right. Out of 14 people I knew that were watching the show every week, we are now down to 3. They all quit watching for the same reasons: Show is going nowhere. the caracters are really dumb, But it's OK, the writers know what they're doing. It's all part of the master plan that they lose more than 75% of their fan base.

Do you wanna know how many of the nine that quit started watching Heroes?

I don't understand why everyone is comparing Heroes with Lost for one simple reason...Heroes is in its first season, and for anyone who cant remember that far back, when Lost was in its first season it was the show to watch. Granted, Heroes is a good show, but not for the reasons everyone fell in love with Lost. Heroes to me is light, funny and for goodness sake is based on comic book character types. Which is all well and good. But Lost is about more than that, its about people as well as about the mythology and mystery. I agree the plot is advancing slowly, almost too slowly, but I do think there is a reason for that. I think when they finally get to where they are going with this, the answer will have a domino effect, that once we start to scratch the surface, EVERYTHING will fall into place, and thats why we dont get a little at a time.

But try this: Compare the first season of Lost with the first season of Heroes, and then tell me how they stack up.
Sure, Heroes is moving along, maybe they were unsure of being picked up for a new season. And just how long can they drag it out anyway? They have already revealed the characters and their goals, so how far can they hope to take it? I wonder if it will be "old" by its third season?

actually, Heroes is going for something different with every season... Season 1 is a single volume of many volumes... Kring had stated that "We could have new people and new storylines and new ideas and new threats and new bad guys and new heroes. So I would prepare the audience for that idea, that it's not just a continuing serialized storyline about only these people. It's a little more the 24 model than the Lost model."; "Volume One comes to a conclusion at the end of episode 23, and Volume Two starts with the opening of season two. And Volume Two is a different story."

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5277

for me, as it stands now, obviously HEROES is the better of the 2 shows, and not even close... however, comparing S1 of LOST to S1 of HEROES, the race runs a lot closer

It's not the just the fact that nothing is being revealed is that nothing is being done by the caracters when something is revealed.

Does anyone not find it stupid that Kate decided to go alone in the jungle? wouldnt the smart thing to do be..I dont know.....TELL EVERYONE ON THEIR BEACH THAT THERE IS A GROUP OF HOSTILE PEOPLE CLOSE BY, THEY HAVE THEIR DOCTOR AND THOSE PEOPLE ALSO HAVE A WAY OFF THE ISLAND? Maybe, just maybe one of the 40+ survivors might be able to throw in an idea.

I mean are these guys paid by the episode or by single words that they pronounce?

Does anyone not find Jack pretty freaking dumb for a surgeon?

Does anyone not find Kate pretty freaking dumb for a coniving bank robber?

Does anyone not find Sawyer pretty freaking dumb for an "expert" con-artist?

You do have to admit that this season has been more or less horrible. Out of all episodes so far this season, how many can you say were great? More importantly: How many can you say would draw new fans? What do you think happens if I and everyone else does what you suggest if we dont like this season?


Out of all the episodes this season, I have enjoyed all of them a lot with the exception of Stranger in a Strange Land and maybe The Glass Ballerina. The reason I like Lost so much right now is because every week you really don't know what you are going to be watching, 2 weeks ago almost the whole episode starred only Desmond, last week focused on Jack left behind with the others, and this week it was a more light hearted episode focusing on Hurley, Jin and Sawyer. A lot of people complain about this too, how some characters aren't in it for long stretches of time but I think that problem is pretty much over. Heroes does the same thing too however. Every episode there are usually a few characters not in it.

I see why you are frustrated right now. The writers know the whole story, they know where they want it to end, but filling up the middle is the hard part since they don't know how long they will be on TV. Planning to end it around season 5 is a good idea because they can plan ahead which episodes will reveal what answers to the audience. Even when Lost doesn't give answers, its usually still a really good hour of television and in no way does that make me wish the show ended this year.

Please dont mention season 5

I just cringe at the tought that we would have to go through season 4 without again revealing anything

You have to keep in mind, Lost isn't all about huge plot changing twists all of the time. Sure it has them but the answers it gives are a lot of times more subtle and gradual. Once they reveal all the big stuff the show is over, that's why they can't now. As long as they still produce interesting episodes (which in my opinion they do), I can wait a year or two to learn the answers to a couple of big mysteries. Along the way we get a more gradual understanding of everything going on. Think about season 1 and what we knew about the others. There was one guy Ethan who almost murdered Charlie and kidnapped Claire and at the end of the season some weird guys on a boat stole Walt. We are starting to see the others as completely different, especially this season we have already learned so much.

Keep in mind Lost is a show all about perspective. It's not a story about plane crash survivors, its a story of something much bigger that is told from the perspective of plane crash survivors.

Honestly, I don't know what the heck everyone thinks they want out of the show. Season one was pulled out of thin air, season two moved along at the same pace as season one but it was plagued stupid network programming buffoonery so there were huge and painful gaps inbetween vital episodes. Watching the season on DVD and it moves along at about the same clip.

Season 3 is a departure for LOST because they tried to jimmy the schedule. So we got a mini-season last fall consisting of six episodes with a lame cliff-hanger and now we're in the second part of the 3rd season and we've had a number of questions answered, as we did in season 2. Some questions have been answered indirectly and others have been layed out nice and slow. Since we're not done yet, it's not fair to say the show is finished because they've showed us that they can still tell a compelling story.

If LOST is guilty of anything it's tried to make it's fans happy, I think that has lead to plots and storylines that we really didn't need to explore. Locke's past is interesting, so is Sayid's, but not everyone's back story is so. Kate's , Jack and Sawyer's back-stories have all been flat and worse, they haven't moved their characters forward. At least not for me. I think it's because they are so popular with fans that each one has been exploited more than explored. I think that in the zeal from both the network and the producers to make LOST fans happy, they wasted a lot of time. The other thing that LOST is guilty of is believing it's own hype. I think that they've stuck to a format of story telling (each episode having a flashback) that gets in the way as often as it helps the plot.

Don't get me wrong, I love the show. I even switched my work schedule so that I'm off on Wednesday night. I'm happy over-all with season 3 and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season and a season 4.

There have been a couple of episodes "I didn't Love", but I can't say I've hated any of them and am enjoying Season 3 very much. I could've done without the 3 month hiatus, but hopefully they'll remedy that next season. I don't want LOST to be dragged out any longer than necessary, but I don't want to see it ended too soon either. It's still one of the best shows on television in my opinion.

Of all the things I mentionned that's the one you nitpick about?

What about the other things I mentionned?

You do have to admit that this season has been more or less horrible. Out of all episodes so far this season, how many can you say were great? More importantly: How many can you say would draw new fans? What do you think happens if I and everyone else does what you suggest if we dont like this season?
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Are you still sure you want us to stop watching?

The reason I suggest they consider finishing it all this season is because I love the show, I am a huge fan. If I wasnt, I wouldnt be here, right? Bottom line is I'd rather see them finish on top then being cancelled mid season because everyone lost interest.

I wasn't nitpicking, I guess I didn't understand your post. It seems that you think everybody hates this season and that it should end because of that. I was just disagreeing with that. I have thoroughly enjoyed this season (I Do being the weakest for me, personally) and know many people that do. I also know many people that haven't enjoyed. I don't want people to stop watching. But if you aren't enjoying it to the point of wanting it to end early, then I would rather you stop watching than the show being over. I know what you mean about them ending on top, but if this season is as horrible as you say, would that be ending it on top? We are all fans and want this show to be great. I personally still think the show is great and don't want it to end until it is supposed to (story-wise). I respect your opion though :)

Ths show isn't perfect by any means. There are a lot of things I complain about. There are episodes that I hate, too. But at the end of the day I still love the show overall and I keep watching.

It's very simple .... if you've got to the point where you're not enjoying it then just stop watching. If you've hated every single episode this season they why are you still here? Nobody's forcing you to tune in every week. It's your choice.

Ths show isn't perfect by any means. There are a lot of things I complain about. There are episodes that I hate, too. But at the end of the day I still love the show overall and I keep watching.

It's very simple .... if you've got to the point where you're not enjoying it then just stop watching. If you've hated every single episode this season they why are you still here? Nobody's forcing you to tune in every week. It's your choice.

here, here.

i still cant grasp the concept of a person going on and on about all the things they hate about the show, yet they are still watching and still posting.

i say that if you are a viewer who is unhappy with this season so far, and unhappy with the unfolding of the whole story in general, then you are a viewer who just doesnt understand what Lost is.

unless those mentioned above are just being dramatic, (the case for most), then it just must be their overall personality that is narrow and negative.

so, as said before, if your "sick and tired of these meaningless episodes", quit watching and quit posting.

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It's become clearer and clearer that the writers dont have material for a 4th season as they barely have material for season 3.

hate to burst your bubble, but in a reply to the question of "how long (# of seasons) do you think you can keep this going?" .. TPTB answe "..we can tell the story that we want to tell in 4 seasons.." "..after that, who knows.."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgk2FABBzLk

i'm too losing patience with the show, i thougth Desmond's episode would signal a new start for season 3 as it had been poor so far, but the SIASL episode was uneventful and how dumb can the characters be, with Sawyer and Kate hanging out with Karl without asking him what the hell is going on, and the same happened when Jack was in the cage and scared the air hostess away instead of asking her questions about...well...you know...

I loved the show until the end of season 2 but now can't really be bothered, i'm losing interest, and way too much romance going on, seasons 1 and 2 were so spooky and intriguing, but season 3, at times is turning so much into a chick flick it is embarsssing watching when you hope a new mindblowing theory would pop out of the episode...

i'm too losing patience with the show, i thougth Desmond's episode would signal a new start for season 3 as it had been poor so far, but the SIASL episode was uneventful and how dumb can the characters be, with Sawyer and Kate hanging out with Karl without asking him what the hell is going on, and the same happened when Jack was in the cage and scared the air hostess away instead of asking her questions about...well...you know...

I loved the show until the end of season 2 but now can't really be bothered, i'm losing interest, and way too much romance going on, seasons 1 and 2 were so spooky and intriguing, but season 3, at times is turning so much into a chick flick it is embarsssing watching when you hope a new mindblowing theory would pop out of the episode...

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Does anyone not find it stupid that Kate decided to go alone in the jungle? wouldnt the smart thing to do be..I dont know.....TELL EVERYONE ON THEIR BEACH THAT THERE IS A GROUP OF HOSTILE PEOPLE CLOSE BY, THEY HAVE THEIR DOCTOR AND THOSE PEOPLE ALSO HAVE A WAY OFF THE ISLAND?.

I would have been happy if she had just er... had a bath. She's looking really ragged after all that cage living. Maybe that'll be the season 3 cliffhanger. "Finally. Kate takes a shower. Or does she...?"

I don't think this should be the last season.I remember falling asleep many times during the S2 epis. This season even though it's on later, I can't fall asleep for at least an hour afterward because I am so hyped about it. I got my friend addicted to the show this year. He watched the first 2 seasons on DVD, but says that this season is by far his favorite. There are very few things that would keep my group from watching (maybe if this time travel thing is done, that might do it), but I do think perhaps it will be time to wrap it up next season. I admit this show is definitely not for those that are impatient.

Palomino, add me to the list of people who have actually brought new folks ON BOARD this season. I showed some friends seasons 1 and 2 on DVD over the summer, and now we all watch together. Not only that, but our group has grown considerably, from four viewers to 8 since the hiatus.

Season 3 has not been without mistakes. The Alcatraz arc was too protracted and culminated in the terrible "Stranger in a Strange Land." But there were good moments in it, and good new characters like Ben, Tom sans beard and Juliet. The other parts of the show-- episodes that preserved the elements of the first two seasons, like Further Instructions, The Cost of Living, and the more recent Flashes Before Your Eyes and Tricia Tanaka is Dead (which rank among the best episodes in the entire series) show that Lost has suffered from a few miscalculations, not the complete meltdown that some are so quick to accuse it of.

It's not the just the fact that nothing is being revealed is that nothing is being done by the caracters when something is revealed.

Does anyone not find it stupid that Kate decided to go alone in the jungle? wouldnt the smart thing to do be..I dont know.....TELL EVERYONE ON THEIR BEACH THAT THERE IS A GROUP OF HOSTILE PEOPLE CLOSE BY, THEY HAVE THEIR DOCTOR AND THOSE PEOPLE ALSO HAVE A WAY OFF THE ISLAND? Maybe, just maybe one of the 40+ survivors might be able to throw in an idea.

Isn't it stupid for Peter Petrelli to stay in NY when he knows that he is going to nuclear in two weeks? Wouldn't it better if he went away and returned once the october 8 date passes? How stupid is Mohinder that he does not seem to notice that as soon as he visited one of the specials she died in the same way others had been killed by sylar? Oh and why didn't Mr Bennett tell Mohinder that his company is doing the same kind of work that mohinder is doing i.e trying to find out more about these abilities and find a cure to stop them. I mean if I wanted someone join my company and expect their help I would rather tell them what we are up to instead of just giving his card leaving the situation open to misunderstanding esp when the person is accusing me of killing those people.. Why did'nt in the last episode of Prison Break, the brothers, just google Cooper Green and looked at his picture? That would have made their life a lot easier. And don't you just love it that after the convicts have been on National TV yet no one seems to recognize them when they are out in the open?

I brought these examples to show that every show has situations where people do not react the way you would normally expect them to. And that is what makes it tv. It is not exclusive to Lost


Does anyone not find Jack pretty freaking dumb for a surgeon?

Does anyone not find Kate pretty freaking dumb for a coniving bank robber?

Does anyone not find Sawyer pretty freaking dumb for an "expert" con-artist?No, No & No
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I don't understand why everyone is comparing Heroes with Lost for one simple reason...Heroes is in its first season, and for anyone who cant remember that far back, when Lost was in its first season it was the show to watch. Granted, Heroes is a good show, but not for the reasons everyone fell in love with Lost. Heroes to me is light, funny and for goodness sake is based on comic book character types. Which is all well and good. But Lost is about more than that, its about people as well as about the mythology and mystery. I agree the plot is advancing slowly, almost too slowly, but I do think there is a reason for that. I think when they finally get to where they are going with this, the answer will have a domino effect, that once we start to scratch the surface, EVERYTHING will fall into place, and thats why we dont get a little at a time.

But try this: Compare the first season of Lost with the first season of Heroes, and then tell me how they stack up.
Sure, Heroes is moving along, maybe they were unsure of being picked up for a new season. And just how long can they drag it out anyway? They have already revealed the characters and their goals, so how far can they hope to take it? I wonder if it will be "old" by its third season?

Exactly. And even though I like Heroes it is not an original show. Anyone seen 'The 4400' ? Many aspects of Heroes are so ripped off of The 4400, the scene with Hiro coming from the future and telling peter that the wold has to be saved was so similar to the scene in the 4400 where one of the characters gets a message from a representative of future about saving the world. The overall story of trying to save the world is also he same in the 4400. Even the abilities are the same eg there is a little girl in th 4400 who sees the future and writes it in her dairy (Isaac anyone?), there is a girl by the name of Tess in the 4400 who has the power of persuasion (same as eden in heroes), there is a guy who can read other people's mind and who also happened to work for the police (just like Matt), and then there is a super-evil character Isabelle who seems to have most of the abilities and who wants to destroy other people who have special abilities (just like Sylar). And then there is a government agency which is trying to supperess the superpowers of the people who have them (just Like Mr. Bennett's company).

The 4400 is on cable so alot of people are not aware of it and how much its storyline is similar to heroes. Had it been on one of the networks there would not have been Heroes cuz it would have been seen as blatant rip off.

I bought the season pass for season 3 from iTunes early on in the season, having watched the previous 2... I was getting a new job where I'd be working late nights and wouldn't be able to watch it on TV. If I had just started watching season 3 without the season pass, somehow I feel like I wouldn't have missed anything.

So here we are. No Walt, No real answers about "The Monster" (i.e. Jack: "Hey Ben, have you guys noticed this huge, larger than life, people-killing smoke monster?" Ben: "Oh yeah, that's one of our experiements gone awry, you should probably stay away from it. It took off with the neighbor's cat last year. I hear it likes playing mind games. Oh and it has ESP, and a bad temper."), Hatch? Oh it blew up when a key was turned (i.e. Jack: "Hey Ben, know anything about numbers, a computer, and a large magnetic source here with a bit o' "hum" to it?" Ben: "Oh yeah, sure do.. Bad april fool's joke gone bad."). Remember the large cable in the sand in season 1 or 2 (I forget).. where the heck did that go? Swan stations besides the hatch? Food drops via plane or something (or nothing?) Rescue party?

Nope. We get tattoos. Oh there's something deep... A leader, yeah, couldn't of figured that one out by watching the previous 2 seasons...

And as for the comments that Jack/Kate/Sawyer seem a wee bit dumber than they were in the real world, I whole heartedly agree, it's like 1/2 their intelligence went down with the plane.

Get on with it already...

I bought the season pass for season 3 from iTunes early on in the season, having watched the previous 2... I was getting a new job where I'd be working late nights and wouldn't be able to watch it on TV. If I had just started watching season 3 without the season pass, somehow I feel like I wouldn't have missed anything.

So here we are. No Walt, No real answers about "The Monster" (i.e. Jack: "Hey Ben, have you guys noticed this huge, larger than life, people-killing smoke monster?" Ben: "Oh yeah, that's one of our experiements gone awry, you should probably stay away from it. It took off with the neighbor's cat last year. I hear it likes playing mind games. Oh and it has ESP, and a bad temper."), Hatch? Oh it blew up when a key was turned (i.e. Jack: "Hey Ben, know anything about numbers, a computer, and a large magnetic source here with a bit o' "hum" to it?" Ben: "Oh yeah, sure do.. Bad april fool's joke gone bad."). Remember the large cable in the sand in season 1 or 2 (I forget).. where the heck did that go? Swan stations besides the hatch? Food drops via plane or something (or nothing?) Rescue party?

Nope. We get tattoos. Oh there's something deep... A leader, yeah, couldn't of figured that one out by watching the previous 2 seasons...

And as for the comments that Jack/Kate/Sawyer seem a wee bit dumber than they were in the real world, I whole heartedly agree, it's like 1/2 their intelligence went down with the plane.

Get on with it already...

I think you and I are on the same wave :)

Regardless I still love the show...but I just dont know for how long I can keep it up. Not revealing answers and building mystery is one thing, but the utter stupidness of the writers which is growing every week is another. The show would be more plausible if all the Losties were a bunch of teenagers. It would explain why they feel awkward when speaking to each other, why they dont always use common sense.

Examples of what I mean by stupid writing for the caracters:

The scene When Cindy visits Jack's cage:

Jack: I know you, what are you doing here?
Cindy: we're here to watch. it's complicated

Here's basically the same scene with common sense questions:

Jack: I know you, please open my cage(or at least try).
Cindy: I cant, it's complicated, we're only supposed to watch. We might be hurt if we interfere

And look, I added to the mystery too, tada!!!!

Without thinking too hard, everyone can recollect at least one major dumb move by each caracter.....just this season

Ben: Hey I know, let's send our only surgeon away on dangerous mission

Juliet: Jack dont open that door, (you know if you would of mentionned that the whole complex would get flooded, he would of paid more attention to you, just saying)

Jack: Instead of finding out how to get off the island, who these people are or why they're here Jack does......come to think of it, I still dont know what he's doing. Guy musta got his practicing licence is a Cracker Jack box.

Hurley: See last weeks episode

Charlie: See Hurley

Kate: See Charlie

Sawyer: See Kate

Sayid: These people dont need to know anything about what I found at the other camp, nope, not a thing, I wont bring it up and hopefully they dont either.

Locke: Hey guys wanna what's cool? I got on the plane in a wheelchair

Bernard and Rose: ....cricket...cricket.....Are these 2 still alive?

Nikki and Paolo: They look like the brightest of the bunch so far, wasnt their first line an actuall question?

I really don't understand people losing patience with the show or wanting it to end. I still love Lost and don't mind if they drag out the answers because the longer they drag them out, the more episodes we get! In between the big stuff, we get smaller character stories and subplots. And that's fine by me... more time for speculating fun. :)

I really don't understand people losing patience with the show or wanting it to end. I still love Lost and don't mind if they drag out the answers because the longer they drag them out, the more episodes we get! In between the big stuff, we get smaller character stories and subplots. And that's fine by me... more time for speculating fun. :)

You dont mind they drag the answers?

The longer they drag it the more epsiodes we get?

Let's do it your way: here's the next episodes:

Cue Ball : Locke-centric episode where we find out Why Locke lost his hair

My Engrish is getting betterer: Jin-centric episode, comedy filled episode where Sawyer and Hurley teach Jin the language. Sawyer insists on teaching him a few bad words and also convinces Jin that Hurley's real name is Jabba...comedy gold!!!

My other toy is a fire truck: Kate-Centric episode, Kate breaks into another bank this time to collect a toy fire truck.

Gel - Sayid-centric. It's Sayid and the episode is titled GEL, I think we know what this will be about.

When Nikki met Paolo. Part 1

When Nikki met Paolo. Part 2 In these episodes, we find out that these 2, indeed have absolutely nothing to do with the story. In fact, they have yet to discover that they crashed on the island. They just think they are staying at a crappy vacation resort. The Marijuana stash that Paolo found in WNMO part 1 might have something to do with this.

There you go, 6 episodes that brought absolutely nothing to the story but hey at least we got 6 more episodes woo hoo!!!!

I wonder if the producers are hiring...I came up with these during my coffee break. I'm sure if given a few hours I could come up with a season or two of storylines for each caracter and I promised not to reveal anything either.

Sadly, I'm more than half right. Out of 14 people I knew that were watching the show every week, we are now down to 3.

So you base a shows goodness or badness on your friends viewing habits? Whatever happened to free will?

and for the record, during its entire run Star Trek had HORRIBLE ratings. Lower than low

look where they are now

It's become clearer and clearer that the writers dont have material for a 4th season as they barely have material for season 3.



PLEASE, JUST END IT ALREADY!

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You're just taking your frustrations out because you want to know the answers and you have to wait.

Since the beginning Lost has been a very slow release of information all linked together.

Why are you still suprised after 3 seasons?

Why would they tell you everythign in 1 go all of a sudden.

Stop expecting what you haven't been promised.

You dont mind they drag the answers?

The longer they drag it the more epsiodes we get?

Let's do it your way: here's the next episodes: ...There you go, 6 episodes that brought absolutely nothing to the story but hey at least we got 6 more episodes woo hoo!!!!...


I don't mind at all, no, because I think the show is well written and I enjoy it. Of course I want to know all the anwers, but as long as they can keep me entertained, keep me guessing and keep moving the story forward (even if only a little sometimes) I'll keep watching.

So you base a shows goodness or badness on your friends viewing habits? Whatever happened to free will?

I think you totally missed the point here. It has nothing to with my friends viewing habit. It has more to do with the fact that more and more people are tuning out. There has been and always will be alot of great shows that get cancelled. It doesnt matter if a show is good or bad to a network. The only things they look at is COST and VIEWERSHIP. Why do you think that we see so many reality shows and game shows? They're very cheap to make, basically write themselves and people keep watching them. Shows like LOST cost alot to make and if they lose too many viewers, guess what happens?

Let's say for example LOST and DEAL OR NO DEAL draw about the same amount of viewers, which one of the two do you think will stay on the air the longest? (hint: it wont be LOST)

The other thing is viewers dont usually need to watch a show every week to know what's going on so if you miss a couple of episodes it's easy to get back in it. People that walk away from LOST, will stay away from LOST(Hey I'd like to get back in it but I missed too much, Where's Eko? Who's this Juliet? Desmond can see what now? Screw this I'm going to go watch Ow! my balls!!!!)

And for the record, during its entire run Star Trek had HORRIBLE ratings. Lower than low

look where they are now


Yeah look where they are now:

Waiting on the LOST creators to save their franchise(s). If you were trying to make a point here, I'm sorry but I fail to see it.

PLEASE, JUST END IT ALREADY!


:eek2: Gasp....noooooooooooo.....


If you don't like it, why not just turn your tv off? Why try and ruin it for the rest of us....

I love this show....even with it's lumps.

You're just taking your frustrations out because you want to know the answers and you have to wait.

Since the beginning Lost has been a very slow release of information all linked together.

Why are you still suprised after 3 seasons?

Why would they tell you everythign in 1 go all of a sudden.

Stop expecting what you haven't been promised.

I could of sworn that I was promised something about 3 "BIG mysteries being answered a few weeks ago. And I never said I want all the answers in one episode. I want episodes that pertain to the freaking story. That's all!

With your train of tought we can expect this from other shows:

24's next episode is going to feature Tony Almeida's mom mourning him. Hey it has nothing with the story but people like sappy stuff during sweeps.

CSI will have a 8 episode story arc: we finally get to see what the guys do when they leave work. Not one episode will feature a crime scene.

If I want to watch a show with dumb people stranded on an island with no directions waiting for the last episode to find out what the point was. I'll simply start watching Survivor.

The other thing is viewers dont usually need to watch a show every week to know what's going on so if you miss a couple of episodes it's easy to get back in it. People that walk away from LOST, will stay away from LOST(Hey I'd like to get back in it but I missed too much, Where's Eko? Who's this Juliet? Desmond can see what now? Screw this I'm going to go watch Ow! my balls!!!!)


Okay first you are saying nothing ever happens on the show and the story doesn't progress but then you make the point that you can't miss an episode of Lost or you won't know what's going on. That's right, unlike most television lost has a continually unfolding storyline like a novel. You can't judge how good it is based on a couple of bad episodes. Look at the big picture. And there is no doubt in my mind the writers have everything planned out. I was just watching Lockdown from season 2 and remembered the part where Sawyer is talking to Jack about Thailand and asking if that's where he got his tattoos. A season later we see that storyline unfold. They even have the little things planned.

i think it comes down to one simple thing:

if you dont want to watch anymore, then don't watch anymore. you have no right to pitch for a show to end simply because you can't take the suspense anymore. heck you do know that the cast of lost have actaully stated in interviews that they laugh at the fans who push for answers right away. the show isnt about answers rigth away its about revealing a story slowly through characters. and that's what the show does. sad to say that the first season maybe dragged alot of viewers into the show who simply aren't ***Mod edited*** or patient enough to watch it to it's conclusion, even damon and carlton have admitted that.

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but frankly the point here is i think its not time for them to consider making season 3 be the end, i think its time for people like you to realize that your discrepensies about the show really don't matter in the long run because all you have to do if you dont like it is not watch it. what the crap is it with you people wanting to ruin it for everyone? live and let live. no ones forcing you to watch. no one's forcing you to come here and complain about it either and frankly most people would rather you kept your complaints to yourself.

i think it comes down to one simple thing:

if you dont want to watch anymore, then don't watch anymore. you have no right to pitch for a show to end simply because you can't take the suspense anymore. heck you do know that the cast of lost have actaully stated in interviews that they laugh at the fans who push for answers right away. the show isnt about answers rigth away its about revealing a story slowly through characters. and that's what the show does. sad to say that the first season maybe dragged alot of viewers into the show who simply aren't ***Mod edited*** or patient enough to watch it to it's conclusion, even damon and carlton have admitted that.

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but frankly the point here is i think its not time for them to consider making season 3 be the end, i think its time for people like you to realize that your discrepensies about the show really don't matter in the long run because all you have to do if you dont like it is not watch it. what the crap is it with you people wanting to ruin it for everyone? live and let live. no ones forcing you to watch. no one's forcing you to come here and complain about it either and frankly most people would rather you kept your complaints to yourself.

Jeez another one that replies to posts without reading what he's replying to: I NEVER SAID THAT I WANT THEM TO REVEAL EVERYTHING. I JUST WANT THEM TO MOVE THE STORY ALONG. I can post it again in a bigger font if it's too small to read. I dont get you guys(and gals) this week. I've already had to reply a few times in this thread alone the same things. Instead of getting riled up because someone dares to disagree with what you like. It might be more constructive to take a moment and read what was previously posted.

See last night's episode? It didnt reveal alot but it moved the story along, well the island stuff anyway. Flashback meant what to the storyline exactly? Sayeed tortured a woman, Did this actually surprise anyone? He was a torturer in Iraq during Saddam Hussein's reign. I hope there's something else too it. Nonethless it was a very good epsiode. A step in the right direction.

Hopefully next week, we dont find out that it was a case of "one step forward, two steps backward"

I really don't understand people losing patience with the show or wanting it to end. I still love Lost and don't mind if they drag out the answers because the longer they drag them out, the more episodes we get! In between the big stuff, we get smaller character stories and subplots. And that's fine by me... more time for speculating fun. :)

Here are my opinions:

We're just getting a little tired and bitter. I don't want the show to end prematurely. I also don't want it to run on forever. We love the potential the show has to keep us entertained and engrossed, but it just doesn't seem to be showing us that right now. I don't want to stop watching. I want to watch and have the story move along in some sort of meaningful manner. The mini-season had it's purpose, and I can see it mapped out for the storyline, but it was still slow and could have been reduced to 2-3 episodes for all that we learned.

Post mini-season, things kicked off with a bang!

Not in Portland as another mindblower. We learn about Juliet, and how long she's been on the island.

Flashes Before Your Eyes is another mindblower! Desmond travels back in time after turning the key, and makes slight changes. Very much like the Dark Tower.

Stranger in a Strange Land seems kind of pointless. The Flashback is lame and unnecessary at the detriment of the present story. "Here we explain Matthew Fox' tattoos, but not in any real meaningful way. And now Juliet is marked too..." In a similar way to Jack, they're both outcasts. We see Cindy for 20 seconds on screen, yet learn nothing because Jack has a temper tantrum. I can appreciate the parallels of his time in Thailand and his present day time with the Others, but it seemed slow...

Tricia Tanaka Is Dead (or is that Family Guy's Asian Report Tricia Takanawa? :cool:): A fun little episode, but pointless from the main story arc. It really seemed like filler.

Enter 77: WTF is wrong with John Locke?! This guy started off as a total badass, and now he's a dunce. "It said to push 77, so I did..." Between John and Eko, John is definitely Yoko. All I know is that I used to love this guy, but now I can't wait for when "You're next" happens, because this guy has turned into a buffoon. We do get Mikhail's story, but is it true? And it really throws a monkey wrench into what we know about the Others. At this rate, we'll find out the truth sometime in season 4 about who the Others, the Hostiles, and who Dharma really is.

We're now 11 episodes into Season 3, which is the halfway mark, and it seems like we didn't get 11 episodes worth of content...

OK. I'm falling in love again. The pace is picking up!

love this season..

love the mystery and the slow peeling of the layers...

still love the characters...

sounds like polusmaximus needs to simply change the channel.

I-m staying LOST till zombie season kicks in...

OK, there are plenty of threads where you can wave your pom-poms or throw your tomatoes. I am way too lazy to check out the Neilsen ratings, but I'm pretty sure there are still a few people watching TV on Wednesday night that just happen to stop on LOST. Should they end the show? I would say that that is a very personal opinion. I would imagine that after the moaning, groaning, and complaining about the mini-season that it has been considered quite viably by ABC, if not TPTB.

LOST is not conducive to new viewers, no matter how hard they try. They will also not keep every single viewer from S1 to the series finale. It's going to be a slow bleed from whatever angle you look at it. It's also going to polarize the audience into liking or hating it. Good press, bad press, it's all press, right?

Luckily, that slow bleed mentioned earlier had a pretty large resevoir. Some 20 million strong as of season 1 (any fact-checkers out there?). And as long as a couple million people watch, the show has viability. Commercial potential. Money in the bank. ABC is not going to shut the show down without wringing a couple of extra bucks out of it. So, no. I don't think season 3 will be the series finale at all. I said will, not should. I'll keep that opinion to myself :)

i think it comes down to one simple thing:

if you dont want to watch anymore, then don't watch anymore. you have no right to pitch for a show to end simply because you can't take the suspense anymore. heck you do know that the cast of lost have actaully stated in interviews that they laugh at the fans who push for answers right away. the show isnt about answers rigth away its about revealing a story slowly through characters. and that's what the show does. sad to say that the first season maybe dragged alot of viewers into the show who simply aren't ***Mod edited*** or patient enough to watch it to it's conclusion, even damon and carlton have admitted that.

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but frankly the point here is i think its not time for them to consider making season 3 be the end, i think its time for people like you to realize that your discrepensies about the show really don't matter in the long run because all you have to do if you dont like it is not watch it. what the crap is it with you people wanting to ruin it for everyone? live and let live. no ones forcing you to watch. no one's forcing you to come here and complain about it either and frankly most people would rather you kept your complaints to yourself.

Great post! Aren't there like 20 threads like this? maybe the mods could close all those threads and just create one thread to let the Lost whining squad could bait to their heart's content without spoiling the experience for the rest of us. I don't have anything against legitimate criticism of the show but a lot of complaining like in this thread is complaining for the sake of complaining.

I don't really want the show to end, but I would appreciate the reveal to be a bit quicker though. I have some mixed feelings on this subject.

OK, there are plenty of threads where you can wave your pom-poms or throw your tomatoes. I am way too lazy to check out the Neilsen ratings, but I'm pretty sure there are still a few people watching TV on Wednesday night that just happen to stop on LOST.

Ratings have dropped to just under 12 million, a record low for lost, a low number in general (re-runs on other channels actually got more views than episode 12).

Lost season 1 hung around in the 17 millon range often, topping 22 million. Season 2 started the downward slope, actually starting at 23.5 million viewers and ending it with a smacktacular range around 16 million again.

After the mini-series this 3rd season, they dropped from 17 millon to 13 million and lose more every week. I'm not sure where you stand and we can say what we want about the quality of lost, but can we really hold out hope for a 4th season here, much less a 5th? Lost is not the cheapest show around, and sponsors will start to drop after this.

Ratings have dropped to just under 12 million, a record low for lost, a low number in general (re-runs on other channels actually got more views than episode 12).

Lost season 1 hung around in the 17 millon range often, topping 22 million. Season 2 started the downward slope, actually starting at 23.5 million viewers and ending it with a smacktacular range around 16 million again.

After the mini-series this 3rd season, they dropped from 17 millon to 13 million and lose more every week. I'm not sure where you stand and we can say what we want about the quality of lost, but can we really hold out hope for a 4th season here, much less a 5th? Lost is not the cheapest show around, and sponsors will start to drop after this.

I don't know what source you are looking at but Lost is still getting 12 million+ including the last episode. There is no need to worry about cancellation, there is definitely going to be a 4th season. Even with dropped ratings Lost is still the number 1 show at the 10pm slot every night of the week in the advertiser friendly 18-49 demo. Also ABC has waaaaaaay too many holes to fill in their schedule for next season and they are not gonna cancel a show that wins its time slot every night and is the top 10 in the 18-49 demo.

I have to admit the initial 6 episode story arc between Jack, Kate, and Sawyer was interesting but it lasted way too long. The story could easily have been told over 3 or 4 episodes. Thankfully the quality and the pace of the show have picked up significantly since the mini-series. "Flashes Before Your Eyes" and "Par Avion" are among my favorites this year and I'm looking forward to Locke's, my favorite character, episode next week. I'm looking forward to next season when they're going to run all the episodes back-to-back. Lost still has plenty of story to tell. We still don't know too much about the others or the mysterious "Him". What about the original Dharma inititive, the origins of the monster, all the polar bears? I have faith season 4 will be amazing, The producers and writers have learned from their mistakes in season 2 and the season 3 mini-arc. We're going to get more answers and more answers.

LOST is not conducive to new viewers, no matter how hard they try. They will also not keep every single viewer from S1 to the series finale. It's going to be a slow bleed from whatever angle you look at it.

Let's not forget the DVDs... I got 4 co-workers into LOST just by lending them the DVDs, and now they're tuning in every week with the rest of us patient folk. :biggrin:

Just because we don't like the rate that the show is revealing things doesn't make us impatient. Don't be so harsh.

I don't know what source you are looking at but Lost is still getting 12 million+ including the last episode. There is no need to worry about cancellation, there is definitely going to be a 4th season.

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Yes, well, slightly above or below 12 million coming from 23.5 million I think we can agree it has a problem hmmmmm?

I have no idea at what time shows are often 'pulled the plug', but with ratings dropping continually (there has been no rise of viewers in season 3 contrary to both other seasons), I think it's rather normal to worry, especially for people that spent much time in Lost like decyphering the whispers thread.

Best thing we can hope for in this case is that someone at ABC is saying 'you better hurry up AND butter up your audience so people start watching again' so the pace picks up (it's been good last 2 episodes contrary to SIASL and such).

And the mini-series was a mistake. I don't think anyone will disagree.

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Yes, well, slightly above or below 12 million coming from 23.5 million I think we can agree it has a problem hmmmmm?

I have no idea at what time shows are often 'pulled the plug', but with ratings dropping continually (there has been no rise of viewers in season 3 contrary to both other seasons), I think it's rather normal to worry, especially for people that spent much time in Lost like decyphering the whispers thread.

Best thing we can hope for in this case is that someone at ABC is saying 'you better hurry up AND butter up your audience so people start watching again' so the pace picks up (it's been good last 2 episodes contrary to SIASL and such).

And the mini-series was a mistake. I don't think anyone will disagree.

The thing is, for a show at 10PM it's doing great. Its getting the most ratings ABC has had in that time slot in the last decade. They may give them a smaller budget to work with, but there is no doubt in my mind there will be a 4th season. The producers want the show to last 5 seasons, because that's how long there story is. They have been meeting with ABC execs to plan this out and are trying to convince ABC not to stretch the show out to more seasons than that. Doesn't sound like a show that's getting canceled this season.

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Yes, well, slightly above or below 12 million coming from 23.5 million I think we can agree it has a problem hmmmmm?

I have no idea at what time shows are often 'pulled the plug', but with ratings dropping continually (there has been no rise of viewers in season 3 contrary to both other seasons), I think it's rather normal to worry, especially for people that spent much time in Lost like decyphering the whispers thread.

Best thing we can hope for in this case is that someone at ABC is saying 'you better hurry up AND butter up your audience so people start watching again' so the pace picks up (it's been good last 2 episodes contrary to SIASL and such).

And the mini-series was a mistake. I don't think anyone will disagree.

It is not that simple as ratings simply dropping to 12 million. There are many variables involved like, change in timeslot, viewership levels at 10pm, virtually no lead ins. They must be factored into the equation before arriving at doom and gloom conclusions. Yet Lost is doing better than any other show at 10pm in the key demos. Worrying about cancellation right now is unnecessary. Ratings have stabilized around 12-13 million and Lost is definitely coming back for next season. On top of that I think ABC is also contractually obliged to produce a fourth season since they have sold Lost's broadcasting rights in UK to Sky one for 1 million an episode for the Season 3 and Season 4. And next season even if Lost gets like 5 million viewers ABC is still going to produce 100 episodes so that they can bucket loads of money when lost goes into syndication and the writers have only 100 episodes of story anyways, so its a win win situation.

With the miniseries they were just trying to please fans who were complaining about repeats. They would have been damned if they stuck with old format damned if they didn't. Which other show's producers go out of their way to accommodate the wishes of the fan community?

I think you totally missed the point here. It has nothing to with my friends viewing habit. It has more to do with the fact that more and more people are tuning out. There has been and always will be alot of great shows that get cancelled. It doesnt matter if a show is good or bad to a network. The only things they look at is COST and VIEWERSHIP. Why do you think that we see so many reality shows and game shows? They're very cheap to make, basically write themselves and people keep watching them. Shows like LOST cost alot to make and if they lose too many viewers, guess what happens?

Let's say for example LOST and DEAL OR NO DEAL draw about the same amount of viewers, which one of the two do you think will stay on the air the longest? (hint: it wont be LOST)

The other thing is viewers dont usually need to watch a show every week to know what's going on so if you miss a couple of episodes it's easy to get back in it. People that walk away from LOST, will stay away from LOST(Hey I'd like to get back in it but I missed too much, Where's Eko? Who's this Juliet? Desmond can see what now? Screw this I'm going to go watch Ow! my balls!!!!)




Yeah look where they are now:

Waiting on the LOST creators to save their franchise(s). If you were trying to make a point here, I'm sorry but I fail to see it.

Your failing to see a lot of things. :) People dont buy Deal or No Deal season 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 DVD's. You also fail to see that networks would rather have a critically acclaimed show on than a game show. People dont connect "Deal or No deal" with network--but they do connect a fan frenzy show with its network. Look what XFiles did for Fox

So your not grasping the intangables and well as some of the obvious reasons such as the value of Lost in Reruns. Your framing this only in the short term, night by night basis--when there is a much bigger picture that ABC considers in the value of this type of show.

It's become clearer and clearer that the writers dont have material for a 4th season as they barely have material for season 3.

We've only had 1 great episode so far this year, (the Desmond episode). Season premiere was good but not great, the rest of the episodes have been sub-par at best!

They have resorted to gimmick casting (Bai Ling, Cheech Marin) to get new viewers which wont work as most people wont start watching the show because they would of needed to be watching from the beginning to have any clue as to what is going on. Would you start watching CSI 55 minutes after it started? No cuz you dont know what's happened so far so why bother, right? Now imagine you missed the first 55 hours. Still trying to figure what Ling and Marin have has drawing power.......

They have resorted to gimmick promos (We'll get 3 answers, thelostexperience.com) to keep old viewers. Well we all know how well that's turning out.

Maybe it's time the writers stopped waisting time with things that have nothing to with the show like websites, jack's tattoos, fake books, the next star trek movie and maybe, just maybe try to salvage the series never mind the season!

PLEASE, JUST END IT ALREADY!


1) Carlton and Damon have already said that MIchael and Walt are season 4 stories, as well as Rousseau... so they've obviously budgeted the story that much at least.

2) I think if Bai Ling and Cheech were merely cast to draw in viewers, they would've been in ABC's horrible promos for the show, or otherwised pushed more. It's kind of obvious that this show is for people following it from the start, and that everything won't be resolved in one season. It's like Prison Break, both shows cater to a certain crowd that love continuous serialized stories and probably used to read good comic books or big novels. Personally I think Lost has the pros and cons of a Stephen King book: good suspense and anticipation and likable characters, but some get overdeveloped for no reason and the plot will meander in the middle

3) Let's talk about gimmick promos, Mr. Heroes Fan. I recall one Heroes promo where a child's voice said over and over "somebody dies... somebody dies..." i found that rather shameless and a way to try and manufacture buzz for the show ( which NBC did from the start). oh and the other great promo where "this week we find out the meaning of the words... save the cheerleader, save the world." and we learned neither from the episode. I've since stopped watching Heroes since none of the characters are original or interesting (ooh wow Hiro, a goofy Asian that's shy with women and whose dad lectures him about honor and duty, cause we asians are big on that). come on, Sun and Jin are way more original, in that they are a very different culture but face the same problems as western married couples that aren't honest, etc.

How stupid is Mohinder that he does not seem to notice that as soon as he visited one of the specials she died in the same way others had been killed by sylar?

Heh, that was answered in the last episode aired. It only took one mistake.

1) I've since stopped watching Heroes since none of the characters are original or interesting (ooh wow Hiro, a goofy Asian that's shy with women and whose dad lectures him about honor and duty, cause we asians are big on that). come on, Sun and Jin are way more original, in that they are a very different culture but face the same problems as western married couples that aren't honest, etc.

Ughm, Hiro is a geek that stands up to his father, travels through the world, can teleport and timetravel, and his father is in the organisation working on supernaturals. Somehow, I tend to think that's a wee bit more original than an asian woman spending a whole episode looking for her wedding ring. Actually, I'd dare say from the first flashback, both characters were quite stereotype asians to please the American audience in Lost, not to pleasure asians. Look at the male/female pattern in their arc.

Anyway, to come back to the point: I read some interesting articles about the viewers today, even the newspapers say they probably have a contract for a 4th season but that's going to be it.Which is good, then it will hurry up.

Ughm, Hiro is a geek that stands up to his father, travels through the world, can teleport and timetravel, and his father is in the organisation working on supernaturals. Somehow, I tend to think that's a wee bit more original than an asian woman spending a whole episode looking for her wedding ring. Actually, I'd dare say from the first flashback, both characters were quite stereotype asians to please the American audience in Lost, not to pleasure asians. Look at the male/female pattern in their arc.

The characters of Sun and Jin are anything but stereotypical. In the first few episodes it seems that way, with Jin being an angry, dominating husband tell Sun what to do, but that quickly changes throughout the series.

I have read the entire thread and would like to post some thoughts.

1. I have a hard time believing the ratings deal for a couple of reasons. I know that the Nielsen ratings have a hard time tracking DVR's where people who can't stay up past 9:30 record it and watch it at a different time. Plus, the ratings consistently, as someone stated earlier, beat shows like CSI: Miami and Medium or whatever is on at that timeslot on NBC.

2. If anything serialized shows have become easier to gain viewers mid-series. With innovations in technology such as itunes and file sharing services, wide access to box sets on dvds that aren't extremely priced like some HBO series, as well as abc.com, fox.com, and nbc.com allowing streaming episodes to be viewed that viewers may have missed.

3. Another important thing that Lost has going for it is sponsor loyalty. This is perfectly evidenced by two things. Lost reinvigorated the serialized drama series and in most cases reinvented it with it's awesome character development and mystery suspense storyline. Being around for a long time and being the first of it's kind inspires sponsors to stay loyal to a proven formula...everyone can't be like American Idol and get 25 million viewers a week but 12 million aint bad either. The lost experience is another good example of sponsor loyalty when you have companies like Jeep and Monster.com investing in something that is as far from casual viewer oriented as i could think.

I feel that Lost will be like J.J. Abrams other show Alias and last about five seasons with the final season being a shortened one. For the longest time the creators have stated that this show was about the characters and that this mystery was something that was supposed to be in the background. I feel that the best part of Lost is the character development and they've done plenty of that. I can definitely argue that the island mystery is taking it's sweet time but I don't feel at all that they are dragging it along and that each week is as tightly woven as the next. As much as we want this to be like real life and have the losties ask all the right questions i feel we have to realize that it's a plot device for them to be stupid! Pick away

Lost just got officially renewed for a fourth season today. The fact that ABC is renewing LOST early along with shows like DH and Grey's seems like a vote of confidence.

I'm still watching. I watch Heroes as well. The world is a big happy place.

The show is great, the best on television. I want the writers to call it quits when they know they've got the best ending possible. If that's season 4, I'll take it. I don't think there is any reason why anyone would want the show to end at season 3.

I really know very little about this subject, but if it got picked up early for season 4, I think we're looking at a substantial number of episodes remaining. 5 seasons, maybe even 6...or more? Ratings are definitely down, but I'm not sure there's really any reason besides the 10pm time slot and the horrible lead-ins. Ratings were down for the first mini-season, but they reached their current level almost immediately when the second mini-season picked up, and haven't really fallen since. In fact, ratings were up last night over last week. Multiple strong episodes in a row seem to have had an effect.

Lost doubles the ratings over both of the two hours preceding it. (ABC obviously has some Wednesday programming issues, and unfortunately I'm not sure they're going to solve them next season. I guess we'll see.) ABC viewership even falls after 9, only to go way, way up at 10, sometimes more than double. I'm a complete non-expert here, but it seems obvious to me that Lost is still doing something right, and somebody is probably paying attention.

You just know they're gonna end it at 108 episodes.

(that means 108 hourly episodes - none of this not-counting-the-pilot or counting-two-season-finale-hours-as-one BS. 108 episodes would be the perfect number of episodes)

Sadly, I'm more than half right. Out of 14 people I knew that were watching the show every week, we are now down to 3. They all quit watching for the same reasons: Show is going nowhere. the caracters are really dumb, But it's OK, the writers know what they're doing. It's all part of the master plan that they lose more than 75% of their fan base.

Do you wanna know how many of the nine that quit started watching Heroes?


to say that lost has lost 75% of it's viewers is just silly. it would have already been axed.

...and since when is Lost and Heroes in competition with each other? they are 2 entirely different shows. now, if you were to compare e.r and grey's anatomy, then that would at least have some kind of merit, but that's just me

while i do not believe that the show is in its best season, i do not agree that the show should be cancelled. there are some questions that are still being answered (locke's accident, the others vs dharma, etc) that make the show worth watching. however, i must admit that many of the explanations that we've come to accept often end up being very disappointing.

while watching last night's episode (Expose), we learned that Ben and Juliet knew about and used the Pearl hatch to their advantage, making the whole 'hatch' thing seem like a big joke (exactly what Ben said it was). This was really disappointing to me, considering the amount of time that they spent getting in to the hatch in season 2. perhaps the writers are just drawing the mysteries out too long...like how it tooks us two and a half full seasons to learn about Locke's accident, and how its been 10 episodes and we still don't know anything about the four-toed statue. i think that's a big problem - they develop these incredible mysteries, but the payoff isn't what we expect it to be. they allow the theories to run rampant for months and months, while simultaneously building us up for some huge mythological advancement...and then, it's just a joke,or something totally useless.

i hope that the rest of the season begins to answer questions in the way that the past two episodes have - by keeping my at the edge of my seat. while i didn't especially like nikki and paulo, i do think that last night's episode was more interesting than kate's last episode, and it certainly did more for the story.

Lost is evolving. At first it was all about mystery and intrigue. Where were they, what the heck waas going on? Now we have some answers, they are on an island that has a lot of supernatural or highly scientific features to it. The others are real people, and not a mystery tribe of natives.

So the show has evolved from mystery to we want answers to these long burning questions. For the show to continue to be successful, and yes, it is successful even in its new time slot, it has to raise new questions while answering some old ones.

I guess what I am trying to say is it is natural for people to think ashow is dragging on when the biggest mysteries have been answered to some degree. I know that first season was intense, the second season was not quite as intense, because I knew a whole lot more than I did the first season. The same theory applies to this season, the more we get our answers, the less magic the show has and the island has for us as viewers. So to drag it out, only makes sense IMO.

I really dont see how they could possibly end the show now, also this gimmick casting theory you have is way out there. Besides the people who read up on the episodes ahead of time no one really knows about these guest stars till the episode starts. I have never seen a lost commercial where they come and say things like, "this week on Lost, Cheech Marin guest stars as Hurley's father." If you dont like the program thats fine, but to make a statement like they should end the series with this season is selfish.:mad:

Also this thread should probably be closed since Lost has already been renewed for a 4th season.