I've been thinking this for a long time. And last night's episode did nothing to convince me otherwise. Locke is an idiot.

I mean, the guy left their prisoner alone so that he could go play a chess game! Who the hell else would be so darn stupid?

Poor Locke. He's really fallen down low hasn't he? I think maybe our expectations of him were too high when we first met. He never was this mystical warrior he made himself out to be. From his first flashback we learned he was a button pusher in a cubicle. A poor miserable lonely guy. And from there it only got worse. Every flashback thereafter he was duped and taken advantage of time and again. Yeah he had his moments of greatness (or apparent greatness) on the island. But overall, it may be that Locke was never very much to begin with.

I'm beginning to sense that Locke is being made out to be a disappointment and a follower and a screwup, even more so than usual. Maybe TPTB will work it into a big shocker, where he saves the Lostaways when everyone least expects it. Maybe Smokie decided to be on John's side when he scanned him, and will help John redeem himself. We can only hope.

I'm beginning to sense that Locke is being made out to be a disappointment and a follower and a screwup, even more so than usual. Maybe TPTB will work it into a big shocker, where he saves the Lostaways when everyone least expects it. Maybe Smokie decided to be on John's side when he scanned him, and will help John redeem himself. We can only hope.

But look at his flashbacks. He always was a disappointment, a follower and a screwup. "Every minute of my miserable life has been as useless as that button!" he told Eko. I think Locke was at his best when he first came to the island because he believed he was destined for greatness. As long as he really believed in himself, he was great. Unfortunately, shortly after that, beginning with the hatch and the death of Boone, his faith began to be tested. He's never been the same since. He's wavered between believing and failing to believe, but he's never achieved that level of a true believer that he was in the beginning.

In a way it reminds me of Hurley. It wasn't enough to hope things would turn out all right, or even to wish they would, he had to believe it for it to happen. He could only beat the curse if he believed there was no curse. Really believed.

Locke is only the great warrior that he believes to be at any given time. Because of his experiences, his faith has been compromised. He's trying to get it back, but he's not there yet.

Locke needs to go to rehab for his computer addiction problem.

Poor Locke!! But I agree, he has gone down in my estimation the further on Lost has got.

Locke was always kind of a screw-up in his flashbacks, but that's what contrasted him with the present on the island. You really wanted to see what made him so calm, collected, confident. Even when I didn't agree with his 'faith' and 'destiny' philosophy...I never felt like he was stupid.

But lately he just comes across a little dumb...not like the guru he was before. It's like there's not much conviction anymore...he's just drifting alone...messing up and then shrugging it off.

Locke was always kind of a screw-up in his flashbacks, but that's what contrasted him with the present on the island. You really wanted to see what made him so calm, collected, confident. Even when I didn't agree with his 'faith' and 'destiny' philosophy...I never felt like he was stupid.

But lately he just comes across a little dumb...not like the guru he was before. It's like there's not much conviction anymore...he's just drifting alone...messing up and then shrugging it off.


I think the computer business this time was pure innocence playing the game, he had to win it. Afterwards it got kind of serious and once Locke gets an idea in his head it is hard to get out. He had to enter 77. I give him credit for pushing the numbers. Not many people would do that without knowing what was going to happen. Locke goes by feeling, and I appreciate and respect that. Now the outcome of it was kind of bad, since alot of things maybe could have been searched through and now the place is gone!! Locke definitely isn't stupid. He is a very hard character for people to like I think sometimes because of the things he does. I still love him, no matter what!:heart:

...yeah, using the "Activate if invaded" option while most probably noticing the whole place is rigged with a metric f---ton of C4 IS certainly stupid.
But, I could blame screenwriters for not coming up with a plan that, even if unorthodox, could work (at least in the eyes of Losties).

I still like Locke, I like his ambiguity, is he a genius or a moron? Egotistic or altruistic? I don't think we're done with the Great Locke yet, after all, even though he blew them he's the one who found the Flame and the Swan.

I still like Locke, I like his ambiguity, is he a genius or a moron? Egotistic or altruistic? I don't think we're done with the Great Locke yet, after all, even though he blew them he's the one who found the Flame and the Swan.

You may be the only one that does, I do not

Locke found the Swan by accident and he found if with BOONE, if they were not looking for CLAIRE then Locke and BOONE wouldnt have found it, and I dont think he found the Flame Sayid found it when he went looking for food, Locke just had a bearing of sorts

Maybe Locke is Chaos. He certainly acts as a force unleashed by the writers when 'something' is required to happen : a pebble - okay, a dirty great rock then - lobbed into the boringly serene.

Part of me hoped they were weaving coconut palm leaf table mats back at the beach :biggrin: but how much better was this?

They should market this man as a remedy for torpor and turgidity : livens things up... and focuses your attention.

Lip, I can't understand half of what you said. :24: But you crack me up! If nothing else, Locke is keeping everyone on his toes!

aah yes Lirpa : the ever present conflict between my good wishes for the Losties as people - beach parties, a healhy fish & fruit diet, evenings spent under the stars singing to the accompanyment of Charlie's guitar... - and my appreciation of their faults as characters.

That Jack feller's shaping up quite nicely. ;)

Back to the Locke dissing folks! I'm done enjoying him in my left-field way :smile: ~ Namaste.

I came here to defend my man... but I have to admit that they've written him a bit
dense this season. I'm hoping the Great Hunter will return in the remaining eps.

Actually, no defending is allowed here, Anne. But welcome back!

I agree that he's also been written a bit dense this season. Locke is nothing like the character he used to be when I have to find myself trying to TELL him what to do next. Hopefully we'll see some twists and changes near the finale.

How exactly has he been written as dense? I really don't think so. And heck, we've barely seen enough to really know. A bit loony, sure, but dense... I'd like to see some examples.

Well, first of all in The Cost of Living, Nikki is the one who has to tell everyone that maybe the TVs were connected to other hatches, and Locke replies with, "Well suddenly I'm feeling very stupid." Reading the transcripts it sounds like he's being sarcastic to her, but I'm afraid that's not very likely the case. Which is sad because he's the one who's actually been there and looked around before. And then there's the whole Enter 77 episode. We know now that he blew the communication station up on purpose, but that still doesn't really explain how he behaved. Does it?

I don't know, this season it's mostly just a whole air of, in lack of a better word, plasticity, and impulse. I can't call up tons of examples, but there's something there. Maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions, whatever. But he's been doing a lot this season out of impulse. I just don't want to see him make foolish mistakes again.

I've just watched Enter 77 (it's taken me three goes to get through it uninterupted :rolleyes: ) and I think you may be overlooking that he first attempted to establish communications by entering 36 (or whatever it was) and he also entered the code for 'sonic'...

and was told it was down.

Now doesn't that put a different light on his shoving Patchy between the pylons?

Not defending anyone here Mods :smile: Just trying to get things straight.

Well, first of all in The Cost of Living, Nikki is the one who has to tell everyone that maybe the TVs were connected to other hatches, and Locke replies with, "Well suddenly I'm feeling very stupid." Reading the transcripts it sounds like he's being sarcastic to her, but I'm afraid that's not very likely the case. Which is sad because he's the one who's actually been there and looked around before. And then there's the whole Enter 77 episode. We know now that he blew the communication station up on purpose, but that still doesn't really explain how he behaved. Does it?


I thought you might have been referring to the part in the Pearl, Distress. And while that did make him look silly, if the transcript said he was being sarcastic, I'm inclined to believe that's what was meant.

The only thing that bothered me was how Locke was playing on the computer while Sayid and Kate were struggling with Patchy. Seems he took too long to react to that. Was it bad editing or was there more to it? Perhaps Lip is on to something in her post below.

I've just watched Enter 77 (it's taken me three goes to get through it uninterupted :rolleyes: ) and I think you may be overlooking that he first attempted to establish communications by entering 36 (or whatever it was) and he also entered the code for 'sonic'...

and was told it was down.

Now doesn't that put a different light on his shoving Patchy between the pylons?

Not defending anyone here Mods :smile: Just trying to get things straight.

Wow! I hadn't caught that, Lip!!!!!! There is speculation that Locke might have been working with Patchy. Whoa.

Remember in the Swan, when John tied up Kate (on Des' orders) but slipped her the means to escape? # Enter 77 has waaaaay more going on than at first appears.

How tall is Klugh? Was that horse saddled for her or was there a third man in that play. ...and will John get the blame for blowing them up? :rolleyes: lol

Where was John when it all kicked off in the sitting room? And who is the 'we' (I read a translation of Bea's and Patchy's conversation) refered to when he tells her "we have another way" - trying to disuade her from insisting she be shot.

Why didn't Sayid learn French when he lived in Paris? Did he really need to have Shannon translate for him ...remember? Or is he playing the mother of all blinders.

If he is ...Locke had better wise up and pdq. Of his travelling companions, one's a torturer, one's 'dangerous' - to quote the marshall - and another spree killed for medicinal purposes.

And John looks like he's having a good time! Case proven I think:

He is an idiot. :p

Lip, Lip. Lip. *sigh* Moving on beyond your idiot remark...What doy you mean there was more going on in Enter 77?

If there was a third man, maybe it was Locke.

Locke was in the room with the computer, when Sayid and Kate were fighting Patchy.

Yes, I know where we're supposed to think he was - but he took an age to get out a chair and step about 5 metres. Dug he he got to play black by the way. :biggrin:

As to my idiot remark - I would remind you where we are. ;)

Ohhhh, I see. I get it. Okay. Gotcha. Did I say that? ;)

Yep, moving on...

i would not suggest that Liplocked and Lirpa take this thread off topic. you two are aware of what happens when you go off on one of your Locke tangents...dont do it again. this thread is for dissing Locke and how stupid some of his actions have been.

Mild exasperation at his continued gullibility and a preparedness for his demise due in no small part to his own shortcomings, don’t really have the required passion for the Anti sentiment this board is reserved for, you’re right.

I’ll take it elsewhere.

(But I won’t post it at present; out of respect for those people who are hurting now. If John’s dead, he’ll still be that way later, and I can reiterate the points I made above : failure to question incongruities, lack of urgency in offering aid, continued coercibility - not a word, but I’m in a rush! - at some future point in time.

I wouldn’t want to appear I was crowing.)

Thanks halfrek ~ I’ll steer clear of here from now.