(Note: sorry if this is a bit of a rant but I'm soo tired of hearing about heroes... any heroes fans should be warned... It’s my review over about the show and it's pretty negative about many points and aspects of this show.)

"Save the cheerleader, save the world."

I wish the stupid media (and heroes producers) would quit comparing the two shows "Lost and Heroes" as they are different genres and the appeal (for me as a viewer) is to watch lost and be a bit mystified and think about what I have watched.

Heroes kind of spoon feeds you and treats the viewer like a baby pointing out the clues to you as a parent would a puppy on a playground. ("Look darling, look at the cockroach! look! there it is again! did you see it that time? look! they're showing it again! they just mentioned the cockroach AGAIN!")

And why is the media trash talking and berating lost all of a sudden? it still has a loyal 12.7 something viewers every week, while heroes in it's first season goes up and down the viewing chart... where Lost was a stable number 3 or 4 in it's first season.

Heroes actually ANNOYS me how everything fixes itself... it's like watching a show about a wizard and the wizard needs to get across an ocean and instead of trying to find a way to do it, they suddenly realize they have a power to make a bridge. It’s very boring and anti-climatic.

Plus, every time Heroes begins to get interesting it reverts to something dull like Mo"hindrance" trying to figure out the password for the computer list of heroes

(oh yeah, and suddenly he has a dream about the password "Shanti" which... what a lame name... "Peace???" come on!!!)

Or else the show ends leaving you hanging until next week where they complete the story promptly and usually you’ve lost interest at that point not even caring what the conclusion is.

Every episode I watch of heroes seems incomplete and some of the episodes actually don't do anything but run around.

They have so many characters (and they are adding more and more) that they try to cram in a 40 minute show and most of them are all traveling to their next destination at the same time so nothing really drastic happens to any of them so you get that episode where everyone is moving but when they at last get to their destination, you have to wait until next week to actually find out what happens... which, again... you really don’t care at that point.

The only thing that has dropped my jaw thus far watching all the episodes is that Claire's father was Nathan. Probably the one good episode was Claire's "Homecoming" episode which was the best one for the whole season... every other one has either been "so-so" or "not at all"....

LOL, and their cliff-hanger episode? was laughable (I'm still laughing)... It had me giggling when Peter's hair fell on the ground while Sylar was cutting his head open. It's rather sad that a serious episode and plot would have me in hysterics... it'd be like watching that part in LOST when Michael he shoots Libby and Ana Lucia and laughing about it because it was funny (or stupid).

Not to mention, their ending story wasn't much of a cliffhanger, especially since I know the story will fix itself again (plus Peter will absorb Sylar's powers- whoop-de-doo... guess both of them will get a hair cut any way...)

And Is there REALLY that much to theorize about this show? I haven't found anything... the cockroach (go back to first episode) is called by Mo"hindrance" "God" and obviously the "scar" future Hiro told Peter about was from the encounter with Sylar in the "cliffhanger" episode... It made me think Harry Potter ("Do you really have that... scar?" lol)...

New York won't blow up because Hiro and Ando have been to the future and seen the destruction... so basically if they couldn't change the future events Hiro and Issac's powers would be completely useless and they would never get anything accomplished (which thus far, they really haven’t accomplished much any way).

Obviously Linderman is one of "dem heroz" and his power is already explained- "If you shoot me.... you will die! Nananana!" So apparently, anytime someone tries to harm Him... they die while he remains unharmed. yippeee! What a mystery!

Lets have a show, where people have super powers that will save the world! Hm, we can have invisible man... he will be able to... um... uh... and A FLYING MAN! who can save... kittens... from... trees... A TELEPORTER! He will... be able to... uh... travel quickly... and... shop lift easily... A POWER SPONGE! He can do everything! shop lift, break mirrors, bend pencils with his mind, fly with the airplanes, be... invincible!

Ugghhhh.

Now OKAY, I won't rag on it too much (and I'm definitely not going to post it on their message board like LOST "fans" out of consideration of the people who actually are into this show)...

As there are several good points... such as good CGI, Greg Grunburg and his character, several good/creative ideas, Peter and Nathan kissing- that's just so sweet! lol (wow, I'm so gay), some good looking dudes, and oh yeah- Simone died! thank god.


However I have about a list about the size of Mohinder's of who I want dead.
Let’s see,

Nikki/Jessica (Snore and bore...ZZZZZZ)

DL (wish it would go up to high speed DSL whenever he comes on... so boring)

Claire (good at first... now just kind of over-shown, no story and dull)

Ew, HRG Mr. Bennet and Mrs. Bennet (bad acting)

Sylar (another bad actor... Is he really scary to anyone? His stiff, emotionless delivery of: "What.ever.you.think.i.am.i'm.not." (made me yearn for Michael Emerson's performance in the hatch)

The kid- Micah (unnecessary)

Hiro is even annoying me. ("FLYING MAN!" --Squeaky)

Mo"hindrance" (push snooze on the alarm... he'll be off the screen in 5 minutes)

The Haitian (Is he dull or what? "I will erase your memory... no wonder no one remembered that I could talk!")

Isaac (another unnecessary since Peter can do the same thing... but he is cute...)

The musical score composer-- (Does anyone else think that music SUCKS?)

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So I guess that leaves us with Peter, Nathan, Matt (BTW, what happened to his wife??? and the police partner chick at the beginning episodes?), Ando and... well, the others that come now and again (such as Mr. Linderman, the new hero girl that transforms into people (didn't catch her name) and Nathan's wife... oh yeah... Claire's buddy taking the tape... where did he go??).
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I am personally enjoying LOST very much this season and I'm intrigued by the creative arc and the intelligence this show allows the viewers.

I'm tired of hearing how it's "going down!" and "ratings are slipping!" and "Where’s the first season?!" (It’s on DVD idiot) and "LETS GET BACK TO THE BEACH!" (Don’t we want to "progress" the story instead of driving in a bus for forty minutes? ...which granted... was hilarious... but not very progressive of the story) and "SAVE CHARLIE. SAVE THE WORLD!" (The scenes have already been filmed if he does die dummies... too late for a petition.) and "LOST has lost it!" *no pun intended...* (except we all know the pun IS intended).


"HEROES! HEROES! HEROES! SO MUCH BETTER! ANSWERS! YES! WE ARE TALKING TO LOST! WATCH HEROES! BEST SHOW ON TV! TONS OF NOMINATIONS- NO MAJOR WINS! MANY BAD ACTORS WE WILL PRETEND ARE GOOD! STORYLINES THAT ARE STALE! DONE BEFORE! FAMILIAR! IT'S LIKE SIN CITY/SPIDER MAN/SUPERMAN AND ESPECIALLY LIKE THAT BIG BLOCKBUSTER- "CATWOMAN" WITH HALLE BARRY- BEST SHOW EVER!!!! LOST SUCKS!!!! FORGET THAT LOST HAS EMMY NOMINATED AND AWARD WINNING ACTORS AND WRITERS (not to mention best drama award)!!!! FORGET THAT EVERY TIME HEROES ACTUALLY HAS AN INTERESTING PLOT OR EPISODE IT WAS WRITTEN BY SOME LOST WRITERS!!!! "COMPLEX" PLOTS!!! COPYCATS!!! IT EVEN COPIES THE FUSELAGE SITE AND THE ONLINE "EXPERIENCES"!!! IT'S CAPTIVATING!!! ACTION PACKED!!! ROMANTIC!!! (amusing when the hair falls maybe... not in the way they probably wished though) EMMY NOMINATED!!! HEROES TRIUMPHS!!! IT SAVES US ALL!!!"

My motto?

"Save your time watching this over hyped show. Save it from the world."

That is a hell of a first post.

Even though I watch the show, I certainly agree with you on some things. What bothers me the most is the characters on Heroes. Not to bash Heroes that much, but the characters on the show are annoying and don't make any sense. Hiro is probley the most annoying character ever...on TV. He is horrible comic relief and just acts stupid. Sylar doesn't make any sense, he wants to be important so he kills people to get their power. Nobody would ever do that. If he had it in him to kill people his whole life than he would have killed to be a famous murderer by now.

Heroes is no LOST and won't ever be, it's a whole different style. The media just is giving it attention because they think it's the new LOST, there wrong.

I like both of them so whatever. And heroes is not lost notice how one of them is called heroes and the other is lost. I'm glad I dont have to theorize about Heroes, I dont have any time to, I'm busy theorizing about Lost. Heroes is more entertaining than most shows on tv.

Haha, I know it's a hell of a first post... I'm just so sick of hearing about Heroes and how "much better" it is than lost.

hm, you guys should check out (if you haven't already) THE BLACK DONNELLYS... They've only shown two episodes but it's actually become my second favorite show after lost. It comes on after heroes on NBC... 10/9 C -- the death hour. (Check out the previous episodes on nbc.com)


Ugh, you know what is grossing me out right now maybe even worse than Heroes and it's hype? American idol is bad enough with all it's viewers... but what's worse is these stupid game shows that are number 3, 4, 5 and 6 on the television viewing chart...
Especially that dull new show "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?"

It was rather foolish as the host asked the question (to a grown man) "How many "E"s are in the Pledge of Allegiance?" It took the man about ten or so minutes to figure out that there was no "THE" in the sentence... as in: "Pledge of THE allegiance"
I rolled my eyes, already figuring out the answer after the host had asked it and just had to turn the channel.

But really, this show is top of the charts while lost is falling and it's even beating heroes? that's sickening.

yea, after watching the first few episodes of heroes, I quit watching it. doesn't even compare to Lost.

I hear you brother (lol, sorry that was a pun), It took about 10 episodes to get me vaguely interested in heroes... I'm patient.

I never got into Heroes and whenever I hear about it, I just roll my eyes!:rolleyes:

The only thing Heroes has going is Ali Larter.

i agree it is nothing really compared to lost. Lost is so unique. But i really like heroes. I started watching with my dad, and thought it was really good. Its jsut interesting. ITs not exactly something i can get really involved in though for some reason. Like i wouldnt join a Heroes forum or anything like i do for lost. But its a good show

I love Heroes, & never miss an episode - but I dont look forward to it like I do Lost.
It annoys me to no end that they seem to leave plot threads hanging & skip ahead - leaving the viewer to fill in the blanks. Example: D.L. & Nikki's son, brings home a bag of cash that he used his powers to steal from an ATM machine. The scene ends with the shocked look on D.L.'s face. You never find out how he reacted! Did He even try to tell the boy "You can't use your powers that way!" They just ignore the plot line next episode!

On the other hand...we're just halfway through the 1st season, & it feels like we've covered more ground & been given more answers than Lost did in 2 seasons.

Firstly, I'm a fan of both shows. With that out of the way, on with my post.

You're being rather hypocritical about the comparisons between Lost and Heroes. You complain about it, then do it yourself. And the creators of Heroes aren't comparing it to Lost, it's just the media doing that. And about that, it's the media. They like trying to create conflict, it's what sells copies and bring readers into their publications. This has been done for decades, nothing new.

What gets on my nerves about Lost, is that people are giving it way too much credit. It's creative, and it is rather unique. However, Lost is not the most creative, unique, or original show ever created. It's elements of so many things combined really. It's a bit of Stephen King, it's a bit of the Twilight Zone, with some Survivor and Gilligan's Island. Heck, even the use of flashbacks to show the characters life prior to the island to juxtapose their current situation was used in the Japanese film Battle Royale. Everything on Lost has been done before. The characters are contrived and stereotypical, and the dialogue is far from compelling.

Heroes's inspiration comes from comic books, so the story lines are more fantastic and melodramatic, with some of that classic Marvel darkness. Lost is more gritty and real. Two different styles, two different ways to tell the story.

Every episode I watch of heroes seems incomplete and some of the episodes actually don't do anything but run around. Lost is actually a lot worse in that regard.

LOL, and their cliff-hanger episode? was laughable (I'm still laughing)... It had me giggling when Peter's hair fell on the ground while Sylar was cutting his head open.

That was an inside joke with Milo Ventimiglia and the creators. In an article with Entertainment Weekly he was joking about his hair and how the bangs bother him. It was an inside joke from the creators to the fans. And again, a bit of that comic book melodrama.

And again, you're being very hypocritical with complaining about people complaining about Lost's lack of answers and meandering story, then turning around and complaining about Heroes doing the same thing.

As for Emmy awards and nominations, Heroes hasn't been around long enough for that yet. And if you base a show's quality only on the awards it's received, than that is really sad.

Both shows are good, I watch both. I do like Heroes more, but Lost is just as awesome. Lost is creative, but it's not the greatest show ever created.

Ok, I see your point Bahamut... However, I do not see why they had to put a "inside joke" in a serious scene between a villain... it would be like having Spiderman's tight pants rip during a confrontation scene with the green goblin... that would be an inside joke, but definitely it's not the place nor time to use it... plus, I thought Peter’s hair was kind of hot... LOL.

As for Lost "running around" I do not see it running around and the episode being completely useless... every episode of lost has a beginning, a middle, and an end... with either more questions opened, or some questions closed...
Even if nothing that happened was THAT substantial, at least there was some other characters finishing or starting their plot lines and half of the episode was a flashback and you learned about a character's story so that you can relate to the characters and understand them better.

In Heroes, the characters seem two dimensional and some of them are... lets just face it... plain annoying or boring (which I'm not saying that lost characters can not go through that sort of phase once and a while... they usually make up for it though). A lot of the shows episodes are very disappointing and unsatisfying... nothing happens and maybe something you’ve already figured out four episodes ago is confirmed so it has a very dull response from me, "Oh... ok... I already knew that." Nothing is very surprising.

With all it's plots and characters it's hard (for me) to feel much sympathy with what each character is going through.

Heroes is like watching an old James Bond flick (I'm not talking Casino Royale which I enjoyed) ... the characters seem invincible... HRG got shot in the stomach and he was up walking around like nothing happened... (hm, did I miss something there?)
Micah, the kid stole a lot of money from the ATM machine... don't those machines have security cameras on those? I don't know how he got away with that one. Unless of course he disabled the camera... which would be explained in the next few episodes to avoid any problems there...

Also, suddenly Sylar is figured out by Mohinder who knocks him out and when Sylar awakes there is a needle injecting him with something that will make him unable to use his powers, suddenly- woah, he was able to use his powers to turn off the IV!
SWISH! wth? how did that happen?

Now, if you want me to go into LOST I can start with those hideous CGI-polar bears... now I appreciate whoever took the time to make those, it was difficult I'm sure and I'm positive that they spent a lot of time on them (and I’ll admit, I probably couldn't make one that looks better)

But really... they look horrible and make the show look cheap whenever they come on!
I wasn't trying to complain (even though it's how it came off I'm sure), and I KNOW I was ranting... but it is really pissing me off that they are comparing the two shows when they are nothing alike... The show wouldn't bother me a bit if people would quit comparing the two, and that's why I wrote this post.

i think the only comparison between the two is that they are both prime time shows that appeal to roughly the same audiences, being "nerds" so to speak which is fairly unique in terms of television that will put on American Idol.

i think the only comparison between the two is that they are both prime time shows that appeal to roughly the same audiences, being "nerds" so to speak which is fairly unique in terms of television that will put on American Idol.

HEY U CALLIN ME A NERD?! GAWD! haha. thats ok. i dont take it personally. Im a lost and heroes nerd. and a theatre geek. So i guess im just like that

maybe a better word would have been cult

First of all, holy spoiler font, Nightshadows. All those things you spoilered happened a while ago, most of them on a totally different show.They dont need it.

Second,I dont agree with your assessment. While not as good as Lost, Heroes is an awesome show and the two shows have a lot of mutual fans. The show has had a lot of good cliffhangers and shocker moments. While i'm not a huge fan of some of the characters and subplots (like Nikki and family), I think its an excellent show. If you think its that bad, just dont watch it and stay the heck awayso the rest of us can.

i never watched heroes... should i? any good?

i never watched heroes... should i? any good?

I like it. If youre into the comic book/superhero or sci-fi genres, than you might. Or even if youre not, its still good. At least try the pilot.

Ok, I see your point Bahamut... However, I do not see why they had to put a "inside joke" in a serious scene between a villain... it would be like having Spiderman's tight pants rip during a confrontation scene with the green goblin... that would be an inside joke, but definitely it's not the place nor time to use it...

Actually, Spiderman's costume ripping at an inappropriate moment would not be an "inside" joke per se. It would just be an ill-timed, immature attempt at humor. An inside joke is Sawyer asking Nikki "Who are you?" after fans of Lost have said the same exact thing since her introduction.

I think Heroes is only compared to Lost because of the mystery aspect and ongoing storyline. They are two different shows to be sure and I love them both. But the comparison of the two seems an odd thing to get so upset about. I would just step away from the TV and/or whatever media that you are reading/viewing, take a deep breath and move on. Life is so much nicer when you don't let the little things irritate you so much.

I like Heroes, I love LOST.

Different planes of existence for me, though. I only like Heroes because I can't believe a network would try to appeal to Comic Nerd-dom.

1) The production quality is so different. I don't know if CBS has a requirement of filming a certain way, but Jericho's cinematography annoys me in the same undescribable way. Maybe LOST strikes me as almost theatrical from a cinematographic standpoint, but Heroes is pure television quality.

2) Ali Larter (praise gawd for the hotness factor) cannot act her way out of a paper bag, let alone a dual identity.

3) Heroes strikes me as a kind of B-Movie mentality. "Okay, there is no way 75% of our show is believeable, so let's just go over the top for that 75%."

Yeah they've got "the company," which we still don't know about, but it really doesn't make me salivate for the next episode, because they wrap each episode up. There it is...The show is too episodic for me.

Love the Hiro/Ando interaction, love apocalyptic visions, love Grunberg, but that's about it. Not a bad show, but I think they are banking on the "I want to like LOST, but it makes me think too much" crowd.

Heroes is a real snoozefest for me most of the time. It has good beginning, good ending, but the middle part... cheesy dialogues, very cliché characters, bad acting. I watch it, because... I don't know. I really never thought that Heroes would be this popular after seeing the unaired pilot. It really disappointed me. I was expecting something much better.

I tried Heroes when it aired, like the first two episodes, and stoped watching. Show just wasnt for me. Im not into the comic book superhero thing. I have not seen any other episode of Heroes, so im not going to bash the actual show because im sure its good, (Though i could of cared less about all the characters after the first episode, and i thought they were too a bit cliche.) My biggest beef, was just with how they promoted it, like it was some world wide event. And yes i do get annoyed with people saying how great it is compared to lost. But from what i here the show does have its strengths and weaknesses, though i can say i dont like the idea of having the second season with totally different characters and story. Oh and i thought about tunning in when Malcolm Mcdowell is going to be on it, mabye ill tivo it then...oh wait 24 is on at that time.... mabye ill just download it then!

I am very enthusiastic about Heroes, but I'm not obsessive the way I am about LOST. (The other TV show I watch is Desperate Housewives--apparently, I only like long, involved serials with dozens of over-the-top characters and complicated long-term mysteries.)

Most of you in this thread are knocking Heroes. I'd like to pose a question. Tim Kring (creator of Heroes) and Damon Lindelof are friends (Damon was the first one Tim called when he got the idea for Heroes) and have jokingly talked about intertwining their shows' mysteries--e.g., the Lostaways are Heroes unaware, or the Others are Heroes, or the OWI (Organization Without Initials, aka The Company) is Dharma, or all of the foregoing--you get the idea.

http://www.9thwonders.com/interviews/tim.php

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2007/03/04/its_all_connected/

(There are others in this vein--just Google Tim Kring+Damon Lindelof+crossover.)

Of course, as these articles point out, it would be just about impossible to do this, given that the two shows are on different networks.

Nevertheless--here's my question--how would you feel if there were a show crossover/if LOST and Heroes existed in the same universe?

I like Heroes, and it is a good show, but Lost is way better. I don't think a comparison can really be made between the too.

That
was
amazing!

AND THEY HAVE REALLY BAD ACTORS/ACTRESSES!

I think Heroes doesn't have the quality from the authors to make a mythology about the series, that mosaic of differents sources of plots. Lost varies to the thriller to sci-fi, to the survivor theme, soap opera, and so many. Heroes is drawn directly from the comics, quick action, blasting powers, hidden connections, evil organizations, and a few more possible plots. Heroes not going so deep in the storylines like Lost, but we can have fun too, but if we look for some serious stories and a ability to create a mythology from a plane crash and a save-the-world organization, we will find Lost and a infinite more times attractive show

Hmm. Seems like you're taking things waaaay too personally, nightshadow. No tv show is worth such a rant. It's just tv, man.

I watch both shows; I enjoy Heroes more at the moment as I think Lost has been uninspired over the last 2 years (it got better recently but God, the beginning of season 3 was dire) and, to be fair, many of the points you make about Heroes can be said about Lost. The characters in the latter ARE two dimensional, the writing rely a lot on clichés and bad lines, and as for boring, everybody has complained about filler episodes this year.
However, I am aware that Heroes has been around for less than a season and could well go down the same route. Very few shows can remain strong as the years go by. At the moment, Heroes just seems more fresh.

Of course Heroes is not Lost, and guess what, Lost is not Heroes. I love 'em both. The media is just stirring the pot. Heroes is mythology first, story second. Lost is story first, mythology second. Apples are just as yummy as oranges. Personally, there is room for both in my house.

Heroes far surpasses LOST in terms of having a quality episode one after another.
LOST seems to lag in certain episodes and just use them as set-ups; the flashbacks also lage.
Heroes is promoting a rich history and I find myself caring more for the characters that are developed on Heroes than on LOST.
It sucks... But its the way its going.

And don't expect to get alot of Heroes support here-- This IS a LOST board.

Well I for one enjoy both shows (although i am partial to Lost). I'm happy Heroes is not Lost and vice versa cause then it would be boring having two shows that are so alike on T.V. (like all these medical dramas and forensics shows). To be honest Lost almost lost me as a viewer at the beggining of the season (the mini-arc), but once we returned in Feb. it has become even better than before! I'm eagerly looking forward to all Lost episodes coming up during sweeps, it should be a great finale.

As for Heroes, I think this show will especially find favour with young kids and comic book fans. If you don't fall into those categories and you still like it, then great! A lot of the characters seem melodramatic etc. but that is how comic books go. I think this season has definitely had it's ups and downs (and that may not be a great thing for a first season), but they are just trying to establish the story because the second season is going to go into overdrive (I know from some confirmed spoilers that this first season is all just setting ground work for some history on characters in season 2). If you are annoyed by the abundance of characters then don't be because a lot of them will not be there for the second season......again it's just a base to build the characters backgrounds and motives for the future. You'll see a change in all of them because of the tragedy they have to go through. This is a theme common in all super hero stories. They start off young and innocent, but they go through monumental changes that usually harden them (Spider man, X-Men etc.)

Yes Heroes does lag sometimes, but I have to say, the episode that aired this week was amazing. Showing what the future could be like 5 years from now and where the heroes are in their lives (some of them in very dark places) was amazing. This is what differentiates Heroes from Lost. Lost is a show working towards a big mystery, that we still do not know. On the other hand Heroes is about the journey. Heroes isn't as mysterious as Lost and that's also a good thing cause coming up with crazy theories as to what is going on in Lost is enough for me, i would be able to do it with two shows at once.

In the end remember that the media is the one hyping shows like Heroes over other shows like Lost. You can't get caught up in the media's games. They just need something to talk about so they will try to create a conflict. Nest year when another new show comes along, Heroes will be old news and the media will begin trying to bring it down as well. Just don't fall prey to media's tricks.......that's what they want!

My first post in months and it happens to be in a heroes based thread? go me...

anyhow I won't repeat a ton of comments that everyone else has just make a comment to this:



Of course, as these articles point out, it would be just about impossible to do this, given that the two shows are on different networks.

Nevertheless--here's my question--how would you feel if there were a show crossover/if LOST and Heroes existed in the same universe?

The Practice and Ally McBeal did a small crossover but they were on different networks... *g*.

I love Heroes. It's REALLY awesome. But Lost is still tons of better. Both have great characters and all, but Lost is really magnificent in the character development section and the overall story is so much more interesting. Besides Hawaii is beautiful.

I think that Lost and Heroes are probably the best shows on TV. I think procedurals are crap and most of the serialized shows are pretty poor too. Comedies are good, but not too great. Remains to be seen if Heroes keeps its quality for the second season though.

Both shows are really good. It's hard to compare them, they are totally different. No one should be comparing them or saying that one is better then the other because they are both GOOD.

I enjoy both of them and I think while each of them has their flaws, in the end they are my two favorite shows on television and I watch them WITHOUT trying to compare which show is better.

Sure a certain episode might be better for that week but it fluctuates and generally the quality of the episodes have never disappointed me. Okay, a few episodes have, but overall I have no reason to quit watching either of these shows.

So while some good points were brought up, honestly, people should stop bashing Heroes and people should stop bashing Lost.

The Practice and Ally McBeal did a small crossover but they were on different networks... *g*.

Yeah but they were created by the same guy (David E Kelly) so he had the rights to all the characters. Same with Buffy and Angel, after Buffy moved to UPN. It was very difficult for Joss Whedon, the creator, to organise crossovers and they were both his shows!! So I think it's not impossible, but difficult.

I agree, Heroes is a totally different type of show, it's completely obvious and up front and I love it.

I also don't know what you are talking about with the finale and Peter's hair coming off...what the...Oh and I don't know what you are talking about with Sylar - he makes a great villian precisely because he has that cold demeanor, I wouldn't say still but cold and unfeeling - yes. I love Nikki and Jessica...well I love them all. And Hiro is great!! If you saw the flashforward to the future you've seen that he's not stupid and after seeing him I much prefer present day Hiro. Anyway I digress... My fave line... "Meesta Eeeesac"

I thought the finale was awesome and can't wait for next season. I had to go look up spoilers because I couldn't wait to find out if Peter will be back. I love the characters and I think they have done a good job with them. I also love comic booky stuff though. A better comparison would be X-men. They tried to do a show like X-men and if I recall correctly it failed miserably...but I think Heroes has succeeded so far.

The media has touted other shows and compared them to Lost before...They tried this kind of media hype with Prison Break, Surface, Invasion and Threshhold. I think all of these have failed as well with the exception of Prison Break which happens to be a great show.

Some people think there was a shout out to Lost in Heroes, when Nathan says "if I find a bunch of people with superpowers I would put them on an island" or something to that effect. Maybe it's a clue to our losties.

Matt Roush has put the whole Heroes/Lost issue very well here. (http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Matt/Default.aspx#01lostvheroes)

The media has touted other shows and compared them to Lost before...They tried this kind of media hype with Prison Break, Surface, Invasion and Threshhold. I think all of these have failed as well with the exception of Prison Break which happens to be a great show.

Now I couldn't disagree more with the last part. ;) I HATE Prison Break. But that has nothing to do with anything.

Some people think there was a shout out to Lost in Heroes, when Nathan says "if I find a bunch of people with superpowers I would put them on an island" or something to that effect. Maybe it's a clue to our losties.

It could be! Tim Kring and Damon Lindelof are good friends.

Are ‘Heroes’ Fans Morons While ‘Lost’ Fans Are Smart? (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/05/are_heroes_fans_morons_while_l.html)

I didn't say it, NY Magazine did.

Wow. Well, I watch Heroes and Lost and I'm going to have to (somewhat) agree with the article. Not that Heroes fans are morons, but that the Lost finale was far superior to the mess Heroes dished out. I initially watched Heroes out of curiosity, but found myself only able to think of one thing while watching many episodes: "this is no Lost". Lost really does make you think a lot of the time, whereas Heroes sometimes feels like fluff. Often entertaining fluff, but fluff nonetheless.

And yes, the Lost finale kicked so much butt. Best. Show. Ever. :biggrin:

Wow. Well, I watch Heroes and Lost and I'm going to have to (somewhat) agree with the article. Not that Heroes fans are morons, but that the Lost finale was far superior to the mess Heroes dished out. I initially watched Heroes out of curiosity, but found myself only able to think of one thing while watching many episodes: "this is no Lost". Lost really does make you think a lot of the time, whereas Heroes sometimes feels like fluff. Often entertaining fluff, but fluff nonetheless.

And yes, the Lost finale kicked so much butt. Best. Show. Ever. :biggrin:

I concur with you. Also, I think most people turn on a TV to be instantly entertained and Heroes appeals to that. Many people turn on LOST to watch one of the most intelligent shows and to think about it. I think LOST maintains being a smart show because the writers know people analyze the show to death. Whereas Heroes, most viewers are just along for the ride.

I have to agree that Heroes is a show that is... very easy to watch, really. But that's the problem with shows like that: after a full season of bangs and twists and surprises and superpowers, the finale doesn't feel special at all. Which only makes it worse, because that's what you EXPECT from the finale. Heroes failed to deliver. Which wasn't a surprise to me, because it is not exactly a quality show. It's more like a crappy comic series put in TV show form.

If Heroes had come out before Lost this wouldn't even be an issue. The fact is Lost is the first intelligent show we've had since X-Files and Millenium - it's a different type of show that keeps you guessing and thinking week to week. Every new show can't possibly live up to that and some have tried and failed. I think the point of Heroes is that Tim Kring is not trying to do that. The best comparison I can come up with is a new X-men type show. No one complained about X-men wrapping up plot points by the end of one half hour episode ( I am talking about the cartoon here) and do people complain that comic books are too comic booky?? It's a comic book show people, there is a reason that the characters are not deep - we are supposed to cheer for the heroes an boo the villians.

That doesn't make people that watch Heroes and enjoy it morons...IMHO people who watch shows like Married With Children or those stupid A&E reality shows like the Gottis or whatever it was are morons. That isn't even entertaining TV - it's just pandering to the idiots of society.

I love both shows and I enjoyed both finales, of course Lost's was better - who didn't think it would be?? I was completely satisfied with the Heroes finale because I wasn't expecting more I guess. I mean if you want some really stupid plotlines and mega plotholes...watch Desperate Housewives...I watch it because I know it's not meant to be serious and I can just laugh at all the inconsistencies but there are a lot of fillers and plotholes and sometimes just stupid stuff.

The worst and most disappointing finale this year... Grey's Anatomy...

That doesn't make people that watch Heroes and enjoy it morons...IMHO people who watch shows like Married With Children or those stupid A&E reality shows like the Gottis or whatever it was are morons. That isn't even entertaining TV - it's just pandering to the idiots of society.


I liked Married With Children. Well, it's nice to know I'm an idiot, apparently. :rolleyes:


I really don't get all of this "Lost is the most intelligent show on television, ever" stuff. I don't see it that way. In fact, I think Lost is really simple and basic. But that's just me.

As for the finales, I'm not going to go into the sloppiness of the writing on Lost's season finale. That's for the "didn't love it thread" on the Looking Glass forum.



Whatever happened to just letting entertainment be entertainment? Why all this elitist and snobbish attitude? Like what you like.


One last thing I want to add: Lost and Heroes? Two entirely different shows doing two entirely different things. I think it's time to get over it all.

Sorry bahamut, maybe I should have qualified that somehow but I'm not sure how...no offense meant really...I just found that show to be idiotic and I couldn't stand any of the characters...it was so stereotypical and I really couldn't take any more of Al....that guy grate on my nerves like no one else.

Don't worry I'm a moron for watching Heroes I guess... :biggrin:


As for the finales, I'm not going to go into the sloppiness of the writing on Lost's season finale. That's for the "didn't love it thread" on the Looking Glass forum.

I can't get back into that thread...is it still there and I'm just not allowed back in er what??

Whatever happened to just letting entertainment be entertainment? Why all this elitist and snobbish attitude? Like what you like.


One last thing I want to add: Lost and Heroes? Two entirely different shows doing two entirely different things. I think it's time to get over it all.

Regardless of what I said I agree with both of these.

Sorry bahamut, maybe I should have qualified that somehow but I'm not sure how...no offense meant really...I just found that show to be idiotic and I couldn't stand any of the characters...it was so stereotypical and I really couldn't take any more of Al....that guy grate on my nerves like no one else.

Don't worry I'm a moron for watching Heroes I guess... :biggrin:

It's ok, I know it's a show a lot of people don't like. But, I loved it, and I adore both Katey Sagal and Christina Applegate.



I can't get back into that thread...is it still there and I'm just not allowed back in er what??

I can get in fine, so it's there. I haven't made a post in it yet though. :redface: I was very sick on Thursday, and then I went away to the beach all weekend until Monday and just haven't gotten around to posting my finale thoughts yet. I swear, I'll get to it eventually. Before season four premieres in...January? February?

Don't know if this has already been posted. A little bit of swearing here and there but an article on the differences between Heroes and Lost nonetheless

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=thud&id=10411

Whatever happened to just letting entertainment be entertainment? Why all this elitist and snobbish attitude?



I submit that LOST is by its nature a bit "elitist and snobbish"--or maybe "pretentious" is a better word. Think of the long list of ancillary reading matter (was Hurley's rickety footbridge The Bridge of San Luis Rey?) and the many characters named after philosophers, with only the vaguest thematic connection to the namesake. Calling a newly introduced character "Edmund Burke" and having him run over by a bus a few minutes later is--just pretentious. I'm not knocking LOST--I think all the (mostly) pseudo deep stuff is part of the fun. Just as I think the faster ride, (relatively) simpler story lines and quicker plot payoffs are part of the fun of HEROES.

Prison Break's still a pretty good show. The finale was really good too.

There completely different shows and lets not forget this forum is about lost !
So can everyone stop comparing shows etc and get back to talking about lost. plz :)

There completely different shows and lets not forget this forum is about lost !
So can everyone stop comparing shows etc and get back to talking about lost. plz :)At least, in this thread, the comparison of Lost and Heros is open to discussion, that is the title of the thread and why it was opend. If other shows are being discussed, I'm sure Karri would love for people to used Flicks N Shows http://www.flicksnshows.com/index.php

But I don't see any huge flow of talk that isn't LOST related, even Married with Children has it's 6 degrees of separation.

Whatever happened to just letting entertainment be entertainment? Why all this elitist and snobbish attitude? Like what you like.

Hm? I guess I just like to have "intelligent", "quality" TV. I don't like to watch trash. Of course, what's trash to me might not be trash to you. I think procedurals are trash. They don't appeal to me and I think it's mind-numbing to watch the same group of unevolving dorks solving mysteries and crimes week-to-week.


One last thing I want to add: Lost and Heroes? Two entirely different shows doing two entirely different things. I think it's time to get over it all.

Different, yes, but quality can always be compared. And in terms of acting, characters, story et al, Lost brings it all a LOT better.

Prison Break's still a pretty good show. The finale was really good too.

:eek2: Prison Break is a horrible, horrible, incoherent, mindless mess that shouldn't be watched by anybody. The characters are cardboard cut outs (Bellick: I'm evil! T-Bag: I'm evil! Michael: I'm a hero! ... ) and I hate them all. Expect Kellerman, who wasn't exactly very well-written, but Paul Adelstein.. :drool: :biggrin: But this is just my opinion (and quite a few others', including Matt Roush from TV Guide). And the weirdest thing? I'm going to watch all of Season Three. :dizzy: Why? I don't know.

Ok I take back what I said about morons watching Married or the other shows. Obviously different things appeal to different people and sometimes yes I just want to watch mindless TV where everything is explained. I love Lost because I think it's the best thing to hit TV for a long time and I love all the mindbending and mysteries and I do think it's a very intelligent show. I watch CSI because I love forensics and sometimes it annoys me that they explain everything (but I have to remember the majority of the population didn't know what luminol is or that people who are close to the victim will react in this way) and I hate it when they get things wrong but that's TV. I love Prison Break even though I know that it's in no way realistic.

Basically nothing is like Lost and it's great because I wouldn't want another cheap attempt at it.

At least the finales of Lost and Prison Break are gonna keep viewers intrigued because of the situation the characters were left in. The Heroes finale didn't leave me thinking or wondering about anything. The only thing I'm wondering now is whatever happened to the invisible man.

People are going to be flaming me because of this thread!:biggrin:

Anyway, I saw an episode of Heroes and I don't se why some people think it is better than Lost. Heroes, is cheesy and a rip-off of X-Men, Fantastic 4, and various other comic book series. (I'm a fan of Marvel, Dark Horse, Avatar, but this show is ridiculous.)

Seriously, Lost has....

-the better cast(you rock!)
-better characters
-better story
-better production(man, talk about location!)
-better writers (I love you guys!):hug:
-better music(Michael Giaccino may be the next Jerry Goldsmith/John Williams.)
-better filming(practically movie-like)

Okay. I agree with you fully.

Heroes is like American Idol and The Closer.

Those shows are over-hyped.

I dont see all the fuss about Heroes. Lost is much better, its more original in content than Heroes. Will Heroes be able to keep its appeal and last more than 3 or 4 seasons.

I'm over the whole comic book superhero type shows.

i enjoy watching both... they're different... different shows, different nights...

Did this thread need to be bumped after three months? At this point it all just seems pathetic. You want to show your love for Lost? Well, that's what this entire site is for. Bringing down other things just to bring Lost up does nothing more than make you seem jealous and insecure, which is just silly since they're just tv shows. Get over it, especially after half a year (this thread was started back in March, I beleive). You're all not even saying anything constructive, it's all nothing more than the rantings of overly obsessed fans.

Also, just one last thing I'd like to clarify, to the person claiming Heroes is a rip of the X-Men, I take it you've never read an actual X-Men comic book or seen either of the two animated series. Both are executed in entirely different ways. Even the most die hard comic book geek will tell you that. Even the original X-Men creators will you that. Calling Heroes a rip off of the X-Men would be akin to calling Lost a rip off of the Lord of the Flies or the Twilight Zone.


To sum it all up, get over it.

Heroes sucks. Get over it.