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I did n't "love" it. I was expecting more. With the exception of Hurley and the rest of the gang. Its always great to see them. I would probably give it only a 5/10.
What did you guys think???

Probably the only episode I've ever not liked. They really had no significance, I don't think, to the overall story. I guess I just really don't care about them, but I think they had to go and they had to do a show about it. But Paulo was hot...too bad I didn't realize that sooner.

They better be dead.

I don't want to sound pessimistic, but with the exception of seeing some old deceased favorites (primarily Boone) what the hell was that lol?

I came away from this episode with a bad taste in my mouth. I have a big problem with the writers going back to classic scenes & "inserting" Nikki & Paulo. I'm just not buying that they've been there from the begining, but Sawyer still never seemed to take notice of them.
I'm sorry, but I really hope they dont dig their way out of that grave...I'd prefer that they just be forgotten. & I hope they dont introduce any more "previously unknown survivors."

I was impressed, though that Charlie came clean to Sun about his part in her kidnapping! I wasn't expecting that at all!

I guess I just don't understand the point of this episode. If the point was to get rid of Nikki and Paulo, then why devote a whole episode to them? If TPTB's plans were to kill them all along, then they should have known that imo people weren't going to care about how they previously spent their 80 days on the island. I also didn't care for the whole spider venom storyline. Wasn't there only one spider in that jar, because there were three crawling around at Nikki's feet before one bit her? And if it did indeed bite her below the knee, then why wasn't that mark visible to Hurley and Sawyer? The same can be said for Paulo. Shouldn't the spider bite have left a mark on the back of his neck?

I'll probably wind up giving this episode a 9 or a 10 because it was very well done, however i don't understand the "game changing" comments that were made, nor do I understand the point of nicki and paulo at all.

Razzle dazzle? I think not.

Wow, so Paulo wasn't dropping the deuce after all? Shocking. Although it's not as shocking as why he thought it was a good idea to hide the diamonds down the hatch in a toilet where he knew The Others hung out and had cameras. Wasn't there a thousand better places to stash the dismonds? Did he really want to venture back down there to get them and risk running into The Others? Was that hiding place really convenient? LAME.

So, Sawyer really didn't know Nikki and Paulo's names? Nearly three months on an island with these people and you don't know names?

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Nikki asks Artz about "trajectories' to help find the bag? Now I'm no physicist but trying to determine where a bag would be after a plane breaks apart thousands of feet in the air using "trajectories" seems far-fetched and ridiculous.

Sawyer throws the diamonds in the grave? C'mon. The second everyone walked away I would dig those puppies back up.

And finally... the spiders. Am I the only one who cringed with embarrasment at this scenario?

I guess I just don't understand the point of this episode. If the point was to get rid of Nikki and Paulo, then why devote a whole episode to them? If TPTB's plans were to kill them all along, then they should have known that imo people weren't going to care about how they previously spent their 80 days on the island. I also didn't care for the whole spider venom storyline. Wasn't there only one spider in that jar, because there were three crawling around at Nikki's feet before one bit her? And if it did indeed bite her below the knee, then why wasn't that mark visible to Hurley and Sawyer? The same can be said for Paulo. Shouldn't the spider bite have left a mark on the back of his neck?

I don't belong in this thread because I loved the episode, but I figure I'd answer your question. Artz said that the female medusa spider's pheromones are powerful enough to attract every spider on the island. When the spider was released and more appeared, those were said male spiders.

It really annoyed me that Nikki and Paolo learn all this info about the location of the Pearl Hatch, and the Others' plan to kidnap Jack and the rest, but they do absolutely nothing about it.

And adding them into old scenes seemed wrong since peple at the camp don't seem to know anything about them until the audience does.

I'm quite glad to see Nikki and Paulo gone, but this had to be the worst Lost episode ever. Bad acting, mediocre writing and it really just seemed pointless. At least our Losties get an Others' radio out of it, but I'm not sure it was worth the price of sitting through this episode!

I don't belong in this thread because I loved the episode, but I figure I'd answer your question. Artz said that the female medusa spider's pheromones are powerful enough to attract every spider on the island. When the spider was released and more appeared, those were said male spiders.

Thank you for answering my question, but that still doesn't make any sense considering how fast the male spiders were attracted to the female. It almost seemed like a matter of seconds and those spiders looked exactly like the medusa. Am I to assume then that there have been poisonous spiders in that jungle the whole time, but none of them have ever attacked any of the survivors until now?

meh, This was the first episode I actually didn't watch all of, which is saying something. The bits with Hurley were good, but Sawyer was lame evil eye looking the whole time, got old. Glad Charlie came clean. Did they have the scene with the blast door?

Also, the timeline doesn't make sense. If they didn't move the plane til season 2, how did Paulo get in there to see Ben looking at Jack?

It really annoyed me that Nikki and Paolo learn all this info about the location of the Pearl Hatch, and the Others' plan to kidnap Jack and the rest, but they do absolutely nothing about it.

And adding them into old scenes seemed wrong since peple at the camp don't seem to know anything about them until the audience does.

My sentiments exactly. The other survivors didn't seem to have any interaction with them until just recently. I was shocked that Sawyer was still asking, "who the hell is Nikki?" before he buried her. To have Sawyer keep making that reference made everything seem a little out of place to include them in the scenes from season one. And when Paulo found out that they were going to kidnap Jack, Kate and Sawyer, he did nothing. Who finds out information like that and keeps it a secret? I just felt really disconnected with this episode and I actually think Paulo and Nikki deserved better than this. :thmbdown:

I didnt' like this episode. It was kinda boring and to me, recapped the last two seasons. The only interesting part was seeing Ben down in the Swan talking about how he was going to put the plane over the door to prevent them from finding it.

Oh and Sawyer kept asking the one question I kept wondering...Who the hell is Nikki?

The only decent parts were Charlie coming clean and Ben and Juliet fangirling Jack (though it makes NO sense that he wouldn't perform the surgery. Still. Forget the Hypocratic Oath, he could have bargained for medicine, food, etc... anyway).

CSI: Craphole Island was lame. Sawyer yelling for the umpteenth time "Who are you?" was lame.

Sawyer sprinkling diamonds on Nikki was so Hallmark Channel, it hurts.

Oh, well. It had to be done I guess.

This was a horrible episode. I strongly disliked it. Ben and Juliet was cool. But Paulo not saying anything??? He may not have been actively working with the Others, but to see the beechcraft, go inside the Pearl, overhear Juliet and Ben's plan, and take a walkie-talkie.... all without telling anyone??? I'm sorry, but he might as well have been working with the Others for all he did to try and integrate himself and try to help the other Losties. He's a horrible person, a horrible character, a horrible actor, and I'm glad he's gone.
Nikki's not much better. Bad actress (on show and in real life) and a cold-blooded murdered with only $ on the brain. Gross.

I would have rather not seen Shannon, Boone or Arzt at all than to have seen them poorly integrated into the plotline like this. I'm sorry, but I'd rather not have throwback episodes if they are going to be like this.

Bad taste in my mouth.

And seriously, I'm annoyed how hyped this episode was. Nothing was really revealed. No game changer. They weren't even the moles. This episode was so irrelevent.
Getting the walkie talkie, Charlie coming clean and Sawyer being outed by Sun, and Ben and Juliet's conversation? All cool but totally could have been integrated into other episodes in other, better ways.

Useless. Hated it. And, frankly, unhappy with Lost right now. Especially after last week's awesome episode.

I've been given no reason throughout the season to care what happens to Nikki and Paulo. It's as if they were cardboard cutouts introduced last fall just for the sensationalism of eventually burying them alive. Unless this is going somewhere, it all seems a bit cheap. I love LOST, but this episode strained my sensibilities.

Please excuse me now. I have to go put a cold towel on my forehead.

I didn't hate it, but I hate lots of things about the episode.I didn't care about either characters, if they'd been background characters before I would have. Maybe if I'd seen them beforehand and they'd actually set up these two characters (seemingly) dying I would have cared.

So the red shirts were killed off. Shocking, absolutely shocking.

It was nothing more than an hour of Zelig like editing Pikki into the past to make them seem relevant, interspersed with meta. Blech.

Worst. Episode. Of the season.

Why introduce characters that turn out to be completely pointless? They could have done alot with the characters and their connections to the island, to the others, to the other losties, but instead they waste them over a worthless plot point that we will never see or hear of again (I hope) Armin Tanazarian anyone?

This could have been handled a lot better than it was....

wow! All the females really hated this episode..

What was that?:shock1:

Horrible, horrible episode. Total waste of time. The acting was terrible and I couldn't care less about these two and they waste a whole episode on them. Should have given it to Sun & Jin.

And how are they iconic and how is this a game-changer?

Also, I feel terribly sorry for Ian, Maggie, and Artz guy for being integrated into this episode in such a horrible way. What a waste.:shakehead:

Iconic, my butt!

Entirely too many red herrings for my taste- all of that just for a stupid bag of diamonds. Excuse me, have we switched to James Bond or Oceans 11 without telling me? Maybe if they were working for the Others, then maybe it would have been interested, but they were NOT important to the story at all. So Paulo saw Juliet and Ben talking about taking Jack... but what did he do about it? Jack was still taken. So Nikki talked to Artz? Big deal. It would have been a whole lot better if the TPTB would just admit that they made a mistake on bringing in these two characters instead of playing it up like they did. Will they even be mentioned again after this episode? Probably not.

i feel bad for both of them because they were thrown in there from out of nowhere and were hated instantly and now they have to go through this embarrassment of getting killed off just to get rid of them.

I'm torn here because there were things I loved and things I didn't. Here's for the things I didn't:

Nikki and Paulo? Suckfest. The acting was subpar for Lost standards and has been since these two began. No improvement. They didn't deserve their own ep.

We were promised these two would have a major payoff. As in surprising. As in iconic. As in you'll see, just be patient and all will be clear. Well I have to say, huh?

They had a campy stolen diamond story like bad TV. No real nefarious connection to Ethan, or the Others. No indication of any strange time loop happenings. No Adam and Eve. No witness to the Sun attack and attempt at blackmail. Nothing at all. Just their back stories and their deaths.

As Sun said, diamonds are worthless there. So what was the big deal? Somebody tell me what it was I was supposed to have been patient for? What was the big surprise? These two began as annoying obnoxious jerks and died as annoying obnoxious jerks. No twists whatsoever.

Im with you people. This was probably the only episode that I've ever not liked...i wish it could be erased from the story.

how ridiculous was the throwing the spider to paralyze him and steal the diamonds scene???

really what was the point

Yeah, this episode seemed really out-of-place. It had no point at all. I can't see them coming back in any way to anything that happened in this episode. In the podcast, they mentioned that if ever they jumped the shark, this was going to be the episode, but there was no payoff. No big shockers. Why introduce these characters? They were pointless. Why are they iconic? It was quite a disappointment. And they have been on such a roll lately...

This episode did nothing to move the plot forward. It answered no questions. And if it ceased to exist, it would make no difference.
Oh, and you cannot tell me that hound dog Sawyer, never noticed Nikki before the day she died! He and his dimples would have been sniffing around before the fires went out and the jet wreckage washed away...

definitely didn't love it, but i also didn't hate it.
I was slightly entertained, but was hoping there would be more to the Nikki/Paulo backstory....more that actually progressed the overall story and 'mysteries'.
The losties having a walkie talkie could certainly lead to some interesting occurances.

What was the point of Nikki and Paolo? I just don't get it. As for Sun finding about what Charlie and Sawyer did to her . . . she should have learned about it in late Season 2, when Ana-Lucia and Sayid discovered that Charlie had a gun three episodes following Sawyer's con job.

Thank you for answering my question, but that still doesn't make any sense considering how fast the male spiders were attracted to the female. It almost seemed like a matter of seconds and those spiders looked exactly like the medusa. Am I to assume then that there have been poisonous spiders in that jungle the whole time, but none of them have ever attacked any of the survivors until now?
The spiders were the "monster". It is clearly heard doing its sneaky rattle sound in the background just before all the spiders appear.

While I enjoyed the b plot regarding the truth coming out about Sun's kidnapping, the main story was a waste of time. So Nikki and Paolo were murderers on the lam with stolen diamonds. Big whoop. Poisonous spiders? Give me a break. Worst LOST ever in my opinion. I still see no reason why these characters were ever put on the show at all.

I didn't like it at all..

I thought their story was silly and to be honest I think it was poorly written. (I could have done no better though..lol..but still)....and this was the first and only episode of LOST I consider "bad"..


This episode in all honesty was worse than the show Nikki was in...at least that one knew it was bad. And my dislike of this episode has nothing to do with any of the actors, I thought they actually did a pretty good job. The script just seemed like it belonged in Miami Vice or something. You would think they would put more effort into this one since it was for two characters who were already disliked by the majority of the viewers. Instead it just seems they got Damon's distant cousin "Cletus" to write it as a practical joke..

This episode was mediocrity at it's worst....and I am very disappointed..:ohwell:

This is the first time I've ever posted in the "didn't like it" section but, sadly, I have to. The only things I found even mildly interesting was the Ben & Juliette scene with Paulo hiding in the loo (how appropriate), and the sound of the "monster" just before several spiders came towards Nikki. Could the "monster" be the "magic box" Ben is talking about? Anyway...if the writers were just trying to appease the masses with an ironic end to Nikki and Paulo, I guess they succeeded. But I, for one, am very disappointed because they alluded that it would be so much more. Bringing back past cast members for this? No game changer, no "iconic" characters...just a weird side bar to take the show off-track. Oh yes, but they DID give us Billy Dee Williams...for all of 10 seconds. Woo hoo. My big question is: did Billy Dee pay THEM to put him in the show?

Badly written and poorly acted. Sorry.

Worst episode ever. How's that for "iconic"?

The Good: Nikki and Paulo are dead (Unless Desmond goes back in time and changes something... again;) ).

The Bad: The whole entire "self-deprecating" wink-wink, nudge to an audience that has loathed these characters from their first seconds on screen. I'm skeptical as to whether this was the "intended" arc for these characters, but the writers room could have at least given their story some sort of meaning. There may be a multiple levels of irony considering that, along with the nods to the audience regarding Pikki, the episode was basically a "crime procedural." Darlton is always mentioning that this show is not Criminal Minds, yet the plot was conveniently wrapped up in bow this time. Too much irony is not a good thing...:undecide:

The Ugly: If you're going to write an episode about two characters that clearly didn't register with the audience, don't fill the episode with guest appearances by Maggie Grace, Ian Somerhalder and Daniel Roebuck. Shannon and Boone, along with being interesting characters, happened to be really good looking actors. Putting them in the same episode with Nikki and Paulo gives the impression that they were replacements. Not to mention Doctor Arzt had a far superior and memorable stint as a "background" character. Throughout the episode I was thinking, " Hey. I remember those guys. I actually liked those characters."

Bottom Line: Mission totally not accomplished. Irony is a dangerous tool boys and girls. Complete letdown after the last two weeks of solid work.
100%
Also, I give no points for including Lando Calrissian in this episode.

Poor writing. Sloppy story. 100% pure, unadulterated filler.

Enjoyed the episode except for two things, Shannon and Boone. I hope this is the last we see of those two very annoying characters!!!!!!!

I didn’t completely hate this episode, but I certainly didn’t love it at all. I think this is one of only 2 episodes in the history of Lost that I only kind of watched….I did a few chores and worked on some stuff from work while the show was on. Not something I usually do.

I thought the inside jokes were great and liked seeing Billy Dee Williams. I also liked the scene in the Pearl where Paolo overheard the conversation between Ben and Juliet. Nikki opening her eyes at the very end was cool.

I didn’t like the insertion of Pikki in to older Lost footage (crash, etc) to try to convince us they have been there the whole time. I thought the spider bite story was a bit silly. The survivors and Others have been on the island for how long and we’ve never heard of or seen these spiders before. Just weird. All of the other spiders suddenly around Nikki when before there wasn’t a spider in sight, again, weird. And the diamonds.....realistically any one with any hope of getting off the island would pocket the diamonds for future use.

To me this episode seemed like the producers way of throwing something in at the last minute to get rid of 2 characters that weren’t used and/or didn’t pan out the way they planned.

So, Sawyer really didn't know Nikki and Paulo's names? Nearly three months on an island with these people and you don't know names?


I actually thought the episode was OK, but this point also bothered me a bit. Paulo, maybe, but we're supposed to believe that Sawyer has never even noticed the attractive, somewhat scantily clad, frequently bikini wearing woman?? :rolleyes: Yeah, right...

You know things are not good when you can watch Episode 13, Skip 14, and watch 15 next week and not skip a beat.....

This might have been worse then Jacks last flashback...........

Useless...........all I can figure is that Nikki and Paulo looked good on paper but came across as useless fluff. The only razzle dazzle here was that I kept watching hoping for improvement. I did get a couple of things...Sun's punch:biggrin: . You go girl. Sawyer's realization that those damned diamonds were useless as this epi. And that six under is not quite the norm on "you'll all be dead soon island"

What happened to my show?!!?

I have to say that, for the first time ever, I read spoilers for this episode before viewing it. The only thing was, when I saw them I actually laughed because I thought -- these are so off the mark. This is people just having some fun.

But then, last night with each moment of the show that passed, I realized....Ohh dear Lord...the spoilers were true!

I think overall the episode was okay. It was entertaining, but not exactly in the same way that Lost usually is for me. It's hard to explain but I felt like I was watching a different show.

Something was a little off. It seemed like the writers were almost making a play at drawing an audience back in with the diamonds scheme, poisonous spiders, and of course, Nikki and Paulo's ending (which seems to come straight out of an 80's horror film).

I'm a little worried about next week's too....

....Kate and Juliet catfighting in the rain...over Jack's broken heart and the triangle love tryst?....hmmm...too much potential for some Lifetime movie scenarios for me but I have my fingers crossed!!

I have to post for the very first time in a "Didn't like it" thread. Parts were ok, but Pikki was a waste of time. Fillers should be in hotdogs only. :rolleyes:

Hahahahahahaha.... hahahahahaha...... hahahahahahahaha..... :rotflmao2:

OK, I'm laughing because...... I kind of liked this episode.... but the WHOLE time, I was completely torn.... because the REASON why I liked it was because of all the scenes from Season 1!

So is this how it's going to be? Since they've dug themselves into such a deep hole that in order to get some of the magic back from Season 1, they're just going to randomly introduce "new characters" and let us re-live Season 1 with them?

Were Sanchez and Santoro getting paid the whole time they've been "in the cast"? What a waste! What is the point of doing things like this? I understand that they need to introduce new characters in order to get fresh flashbacks and storylines.... but then WHY KILL THEM OFF as soon as we learn a little bit about them????? :mad: Seriously, can someone help me out here? What is the point?!

ETA: After reading some of the threads inbetween, I just want to add that my problem with this episode is not that it didn't move the story forward. I've almost come to terms with the fact that they're never going to push anything too far, and I'd rather have a completely stand alone episode than be teased and teased and teased during some purported "mythological" episode, you know? That being said... Lost likes to say that it's a character show - that the mysteries are secondary to the character stories and development, and I love that part. But this episode was the antithesis of this being a show where the characters are the driving elements. I don't think the development of a character is supposed to happen all in one episode, which if you think about it started slowly back in Abandoned, but is now at full tilt.

This was a horrible episode. I strongly disliked it. Ben and Juliet was cool. But Paulo not saying anything??? He may not have been actively working with the Others, but to see the beechcraft, go inside the Pearl, overhear Juliet and Ben's plan, and take a walkie-talkie.... all without telling anyone??? I'm sorry, but he might as well have been working with the Others for all he did to try and integrate himself and try to help the other Losties. He's a horrible person, a horrible character, a horrible actor, and I'm glad he's gone.
Nikki's not much better. Bad actress (on show and in real life) and a cold-blooded murdered with only $ on the brain. Gross.

I would have rather not seen Shannon, Boone or Arzt at all than to have seen them poorly integrated into the plotline like this. I'm sorry, but I'd rather not have throwback episodes if they are going to be like this.

Bad taste in my mouth.

And seriously, I'm annoyed how hyped this episode was. Nothing was really revealed. No game changer. They weren't even the moles. This episode was so irrelevent.
Getting the walkie talkie, Charlie coming clean and Sawyer being outed by Sun, and Ben and Juliet's conversation? All cool but totally could have been integrated into other episodes in other, better ways.

Useless. Hated it. And, frankly, unhappy with Lost right now. Especially after last week's awesome episode.


DITTO!!! (Thanks Laura :))

I didn't like the episode, but we did learn some things:

1: Rose is still in the timeline. We see Jack working on her during the crash flashback, and Boone asking for a pen to give her the tracheotomy that Jack was only kidding about. So, Nikki/Paulo didn't upset the time line.

2: Ben was definitely watching the Losties from the Pearl for a while, and did indeed have information about them (names, professions, etc.) enough to be able to identify them by sight.

3: We get confirmation that Ben uses people, but we already knew this. We just get explicit confirmation.

If there is a payoff coming on these two and what we learned on this episode, it'll be later. But, at face value, this episode was just boring and didn't seem to introduce anything new.

This week I'm posting in the didn't love it and love it thread.. but neither category fits. I'm somewhere in the middle. I did like the little nods thrown in. I liked seeing interactions. But.. all that went nowhere..
The format was different. We had flashbacks of 2 characters I could care less about. The flashbacks of these 2 paralyzed low lifes did nothing but make me dislike them both more. Going into the episode I didn't really care much about them and wished they'd go away (kinda like them being flies that I'd swat away) but during the episode they became totally hated and despised and I hoped they'd be squished and completely vaporized. The re-showing of scenes that we already saw was a waste of time. Trying to incorporate these 2 into those scenes was a futile attempt at making inconsequential people into something of importance. They never were or became important.
Finally we got a respite of Sawyer's name calling.. (it was funny at first, but like anything else over-done, it lost any degree of funny due to overuse -- sort of humor arthritis.. the humor becomes old and worn due to repetitive use. However, the joke of who the hell are they is now over done. Boone, Shannon and Dr.Artz - nothing much thrilling there. None of their stories advanced and they didn't advance the story either. Shannon as her old whiny self.. Boone trying to make her happy (as if he could).. ok.. and so? Neither Paolo or nikki were the least bit likable before this episode, and both were even less so after.

Charlie's confession to Sun was done because he needed to clarify that it wasn't the others.. not because he's become suddenly repentant.. not that it would matter.. but I thought that was important.
Overall, I didn't hate or love this ep.. but it certainly is one of my least favorites.

The only redeeming qualities of this episode were Sawyers repeated "who are you?!?!" to Nikki (so funny each time) and Hurleys insistance on the monster being the killer.
Otherwise this show did nothing to advance the plot lines of the show (except the somewhat lame Charlie abducted Sun revelation).
While it was supposed to be about Pikki I was much more interested in Artz and Ethan.
What was the purpose of Pikki again???????
The Other 48 Days was so much better!
The Juliet and Ben scene seemed contrived.
You could see the the plot lines coming...has the "buried alive thing" been done enough before?
I agree with what someone said earlier, it was the 1st time I was not riveted to the show. It just did not interest me.


P.S. The preview for next week was also boring!

Last week's episode was my favorite of the entire show, this week my least favorite. Why are these characters even here, their story didn't advance the plot line IMO. The flashbacks were not good, why give these two a flashback. I would rather have seen Patchy's flashback than Pikki. Just filler I guess, they are not icons for me and I'm glad they are gone, hopefully forever!

This episode was good in the way that, if I was a totally new viewer to the show, everything about the show is good: The characters, the acting, the sets, (mostly) the dialogue, etc.

However, as a long-time watcher, this episode was really poor:

1) I disliked how they "force-fed" the viewers these new characters and "inserted" them into the previous scenes that we already know and loved.
2) I also don't like how these 2 people were supposedly here with everyone and Sawyer continues to ask, "Who are you?" Ha. ha. ha. Okay! It was the funny the first time. . .
3) Virtually this entire episode did *nothing* to advance the Lost storyline. I think the dialogue between Julia and Ben give a tiny bit more insight to the overall story.
4) This episode was way too predictable. I figured out that Nikki and Paolo were going to kill and rob the old man. When Hurley thought Nikki said, "Paolo Lies", I said to myself, "I bet she is trying to say 'paralyzed'". *Especially* because the characters were getting flashbacks and didnt think that dead people would get flashbacks. I figured that Paolo was in love with Nikki and only hid the diamonds because of that. What I *didnt* predict was them getting buried at the end :P I thought, for sure, they were wake up before it was too late. However, I dont forsee them being buried being a problem though.
5) I really, REALLY hated the fact that these 2 sub-characters were already aware of "big secret" stuff well before everyone else. I mean, the first season ended in the mystery of "what is down the hatch", yet Paolo and Nikki were *already* aware of the presence of a hatch, and technology and signs of civilization on the island? What the H-E-Double-Hockeysticks???! Yet, it appears, that there *awareness* of these things was still overshadowed by their desire for the diamonds?? They find out important evidence about Mystery Island, long before anyone else, and they dont tell anyone?!!

Dissapointment City. :frown:

Damn it! I haven't posted in this thread since 'Stranger In A Strange Land' and I was hoping not to return this season...

I'm really sick of Kitsis & Horowitz. Really. Next time I see their names on the writing credit of an upcoming episode I'll know to lower my expectations accordingly. Their episodes are consistantly either average or, more often, mediocre - 'Born To Run' being the only exception. Of course, that's just my personal opinion, and I know the Lost Execs disagree with me since they're getting a promotion next year, but god damn...

Not even the return of Grace, Somerhalder, Roebuck and Mapother (I love them all) could save this episode. In fact, seeing those characters again - Boone and Shannon, especially - just highlighted how much Lost has changed for the worse over two years and how awful Nikki and Paulo truly are (or, were). And not love-to-hate awful. Awful in the bad-acting, no-charisma, scraping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel-and-trying-to-pass-off-the-gook-you-find-there-as-character kind of way.

What's a real shame is that the series was building up some serious momentum off the back of 'Enter 77', 'Par Avion' and 'The Man From Tallahassee' and it's now been all but squandered.

The wink-wink, nudge-nudge nods of the head to the audience really bugged me too. Lost is not the kind of show that can get away with that B.S.. It's not cute. It doesn't make me feel like forgiving the writers for their recent mistakes. If they want forgiveness they should stop making shitty episodes like this one! That'd be a good start.

The one thing I liked about this episode is actually what I'd most liked to have removed. If only the Charlie/Sun revelation had been left over for next week I'd be able to pretend like 'Exposé' had never happened.

The script and dialogue were second rate, as was the acting. How this episode was given to us by the same creative team that produced last week's episode is beyond me. Sun hitting us over the head over and over about how "only the Others could have done this" in scene after scene was cheap - there has been so much that has happened with her character since that episode last season and there hasn't been a mention of the Others. Now all of a sudden everything bad emanates from the Others. And what about Sawyer finding the walkie talkie and concluding that they were working with the Others? I know we find out they aren't, but why isn't Sawyer's accusation ever mentioned again? I think this epsiode reveals that TPTB had no plans for Paulo and Nikki (as they tried to claim), but were just brought in as "eye candy." They served no purpose, and were disposed of all too easily. Any plot points they may have furthered could have been achieved with any other cast members. And their demise reeks of TPTB responding yet again to viewer complaints midseason. One last thing - do you recall how Eko and Locke struggled together to open the Pearl station hatch door? How the hell did Paulo and Nikki flip it open with nary a sweat?

I don't regularly post in this thread. I've only genuinely disliked three episodes out of all three seasons of this show. I am usually one of the guys defending the show from the doubters. I have faith that LOST will continue to be good until the final episode. But I'm sorry, this wasn't a good episode for me.

I tried liking this episode. Really, I did! Cuse and Lindelof said that when all was said and done, Paulo and Nikki would be iconic characters, and I'd understand why they were added into the cast. "Just wait and see." They also said this would be a revealing episode. And I, unfortunately, believed them and got hyped for the episode. I thought there was a big clever unexpected twist in store for Nikki and Paulo.

Well, I waited. When Sawyer said "Who the hell is Nikki?" I thought the timeline had been altered and only Sawyer noticed because he zonked out in the brainwash room. I was wrong. When Ethan showed up, I thought the two spent time with him and we'd get to see what he did before he took Claire. Again, I was wrong. I wasn't thrilled as I reached what I thought was the halfway mark, The clock said it was after 10:40. I still held out hope for a great revealing twist ending. Something that would make me understand the purpose of these greedy pointless characters. Nope. No payoff. Only disappointment. The only part I liked was the two minutes of Ben and Juliet in the Pearl.

I don't ask much of this show. I don't demand answers like some viewers. I don't need big mythological happenings every episode. Just give me engaging dialogue, interesting characters, maybe a few laughs, and I'm set. In my opinion, this episode had none of those things, or at least nowhere near enough of any of them. The writing was sub-par for LOST ("Razzle fricken' dazzle."???). I still don't care about Paulo, Nikki, Shannon, Boone, or Arzt. I laughed MAYBE three times ("we can bring you back next season", "Dude, you're messing up the crime scene!", and Hurley calling Vincent "dude"). I didn't feel satisfied or nearly as entertained as I felt for the last three weeks of episodes. It didn't feel like LOST.

I almost think this was a "screw you" to the people that doubt the show and hated Nikki and Paulo. Like they purposely rewrote their backstory and deaths because nobody liked them. Make them really unlikable people and kill them in the most gruesome manner they could dream up. But if so, why bother? Why bother adding new cast members just to kill them off? To waste our time? I would've preferred they never even existed, thank you. Spend that time and effort on characters I actually care about.

And don't get me wrong, I like filler episodes. The Hurley episodes are some of my favorites, especially Tricia Tanaka Is Dead. But at least those are thought provoking, interesting, touching, and funny. This felt mostly like forced fluff. Like you could skip this episode and it wouldn't matter much. It was mostly "Hey guys, remember Jack asking Boone to give him a pen? Remember Ethan? Remember the plane and the Pearl? Remember the waterfall?" Yes, I do. I've seen season one! I don't care if you show me island flashbacks, as long as it's NEW MATERIAL. A story we didn't know about, and interesting twist, an unexpected connection, SOMETHING. This was empty fanservice that didn't add anything new to the equation.

And why did Paulo not tell anyone about the plane? The Pearl hatch? Ben's plan to manipulate Michael (which lead to him killing two people)? The walkie talkie? What the HELL Paulo?!

I'm just very frustrated with this episode and with TPTB's empty promises. This is in my top three least favorite episodes. I can only hope next week picks up from where The Man From Tallahassee left off so we can forget this mistake of an episode ever happened. I don't want to post in this thread again this season.

I didn't like it. The flashback to the beach where after the crash Nikki was looking for Paulo was not done well. I liked seeing the older characters like Dr. Artz but the storyline with the diamonds and hiding them in the Pearl Hatch was totally contrived.

So, Niki and Paulo found the Beechcraft and the Pearl before Locke and Boone even found the Hatch? Having those two find things like that takes away some of the coolness factor of the original discoveries. WHat the hell were they thinking? This show has strayed so far from what it was in the first season it's not even funny anymore.

wow first time poster in this "didnt love it" topic

just finished watching the episode and that was by far the worst episode of this season if not worst of all time.

No plot devolpment, pointless flashbacks just really poor episode overall
sorry guys, hope next week is going to be awsome

I don't regularly post in this thread. I've only genuinely disliked three episodes out of all three seasons of this show. I am usually one of the guys defending the show from the doubters. I have faith that LOST will continue to be good until the final episode. But I'm sorry, this wasn't a good episode for me.

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Eric, what a perfect post. I totally agree with you.

I don't ask much of this show. I don't demand answers like some viewers. I don't need big mythological happenings every episode. Just give me engaging dialogue, interesting characters, maybe a few laughs, and I'm set.

As a fan of Everybody Hates Hugo, I totally agree. I like the characters and their stories, interaction, and development so much more than all of the "mysteries." I don't care that not much plot was advanced. I do care about completely wasted time and wasted potential. What was the POINT of this episode?

(Also, I did like Hurley's line about how they didn't know much about Nikki and Paulo but "apparently you killed each other over diamonds" or whatever. Just so sad, so true... a slightly clever bit, right there)

Worst. Episode. Ever.

I think the worst part of this episode was doing flashbacks to the plane crash. When I first saw those scenes in Season 1, it seemed like we were watching a movie on TV, this time, they looked like TV work. It just didn't have the same grandness that there was the first time. Same with Jack's speech.

All that did is remind me how much the show has changed from what it was in Season 1. Normally shows get better as they go, this just proves (for me!! My opinion only!!) that they show is getting worse...

I'd say my least favorite aspect of the episode was the fact that Nikki and Paulo and their story could have just as easily been dropped into any series on TV or even as a one off episode on a Tales from the Crypt type show. It was really in no way connected to the rest of the show and it was obvious how hard the writers were trying to force it to be connected. Plus the fact that the back story and present story were so contrived and cliche, when everyone else's history always seems to have a lot of subtle nuances and interesting revelations. I think I could have written something like this based on tv I watched in the 80s and I am no writer.

Uhhhhhhhh.......?

The less said about this dreadful episode, the better. Best to simply forget -- and that should be easy since this episode and these two characters have zero impact on the show's storylines.

But I do want to note that I think it's unfathomable (although it obviously just happened) that after wasting viewers time with an entire season featuring the throwaway Tailies (who ultimately had no impact on the show's overall mysteries and storylines before being killed off or disappearing completely--where are you Bernard??) TPTB would thrust this Nikki and Paulo junk on us.

Are TPTB so desperate for filler that they have to create new characters just to serve as filler? Clearly the answer is yes.

Shame, too. Lost had started to gather a nice rhythm to it. Episodes were actually leading into the next episodes where plot line where actually picked right up (lo and behold). But after last week's cliffhanger of Locke and his father, we get 80 days in the life of a couple of redshirts.

Terrible. "Iconic" characters? Are you kidding?

TPTB should apologize to their audience for wasting our time.

This is only the second time I've posted in this thread, and although I didn;t find this episode nearly as embarassingly auwful as SIASL, it just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

I hated the flashbacks to island time, and they were the main things I was looking forward to. I hated that these characters tainted the glorious times of season one, what were previously scenes which I loved felt cheapened by their presence. Why couldn;t it have been revealved that pikki were freinds with shannon and boone and had them involved more or something? That would be a nice shout out to s1 fans and fans of the dead characters. But the little snippets we saw just didn;t sit well with me.

Fighting over diamonds seems a very un-Lost thing to do as well, I didn;t like that storyline at all, made me want to slap Nikki and although I felt a bit sorry for Paulo when he said he only did it so she'd stay with him, I couldn't really be overly bothered.

The whole buried alive thing probablly would have been cooler if I hadn;t knew it was coming, but it did feel very un-lost as well. I'm a big horror movie fan so its not that it boteherd me, just added to the sense that this episode seemed really far removed from the others.

Frankly, I'm sad that after the awsomeness of the last 4 episodes, Lost went back to this mediocre state!

And

I guess it's not going to improve next week as I have a horrible feeling we are going to get a "triangle" episode, and a cat fight between kate and juliet over Jack's feelings seems slightly rediculous, so I guess the promo added to me bad feeling surrounding this episode.

This episode was lame. Just super lame lame. I am usually in the "loved it" camp, but man, what a stink!

Highlights: Boone and Shannon (even though we got the 100% "witch" Shannon, not the nice but whiny Shannon I like), Billie Dee!!!! Yay!!!!, Sawyer's confustion over "who the hell Nikki" was.

Lows: Pretty much the entire episode, just a piece of crap.

I still love lost.... just not this epi.

Lame, lame, lame.

What I don't understand is if they realize they made a mistake in introducing these characters, why would they make an even bigger mistake devoting an entire episode to them? Is it because they really are writing this by the seat of their pants, and were just stumped for story ideas that week? Why wouldn't they just move Pikki to the background like Rose and Bernard? Maybe we'd forget about them.

Personally, I didn't see anything of value in their story. However, I'm sure we'll see Energizer as a sponser in the coming weeks...stands to reason with that walkie talkie that is still going strong after 3 months.

In and of itself, this episode was okay.

But as far as being significant to the overall plot, this episode was completely unnecessary. I personally never gave a rat's rear-end about Nikki and Paolo so devoting an entire episode to their flashback and eventual demise did nothing for me. I just didn't care. They were forcibly inserted into the plane crash and other scenes in which they never originally appeared in and that just rubbed me the wrong way.

The only good thing about this episode was Charlie confessing to Sun.

Nikki and Paolo could have been gotten rid of in 5 minutes - just have Smokey smack them into a tree like he did Mr. Eko. Why did we have to devote an entire episode that doesn't amount to a hill of beans to get rid of these two?

The show was moving along at a great clip, too - until this episode came along and knocked everything off the rails. I hope next week's episode gets us back on track again.

Nikki and Paulo episode didn't make any sense to me. My son turned to me after watching the episode and said what was that all about. I answered, I don't know. Nice to see Boone and Shannon, but the rest of the episode :cnsored2:

I was robbed of an hour of my life.

This may have been the worst episode of LOST ever. Completely pointless.

Unless they somehow down the line refer to some major thing that we all missed in the episode, this was just horrible.

:(

The only good thing about this episode was Charlie confessing to Sun.

Why wasn't Sawyer and Charlie's scheme exposed after Ana-Lucia and Sayid found a gun on Charlie in "The Whole Truth"?

The Good: Nikki and Paulo are dead (Unless Desmond goes back in time and changes something... again;) ).

The Bad: The whole entire "self-deprecating" wink-wink, nudge to an audience that has loathed these characters from their first seconds on screen. I'm skeptical as to whether this was the "intended" arc for these characters, but the writers room could have at least given their story some sort of meaning. There may be a multiple levels of irony considering that, along with the nods to the audience regarding Pikki, the episode was basically a "crime procedural." Darlton is always mentioning that this show is not Criminal Minds, yet the plot was conveniently wrapped up in bow this time. Too much irony is not a good thing...:undecide:

The Ugly: If you're going to write an episode about two characters that clearly didn't register with the audience, don't fill the episode with guest appearances by Maggie Grace, Ian Somerhalder and Daniel Roebuck. Shannon and Boone, along with being interesting characters, happened to be really good looking actors. Putting them in the same episode with Nikki and Paulo gives the impression that they were replacements. Not to mention Doctor Arzt had a far superior and memorable stint as a "background" character. Throughout the episode I was thinking, " Hey. I remember those guys. I actually liked those characters."

Bottom Line: Mission totally not accomplished. Irony is a dangerous tool boys and girls. Complete letdown after the last two weeks of solid work.
100%
Also, I give no points for including Lando Calrissian in this episode.


Couldn't agree with you more! You summed up my sentiments exactly. This ep was a total waste of my valuable "Lost" hour!

*hic*

Nearly a total waste of time. The only points that were worth anything was everything else excluding Nikki and Paulo.
Its not a knock on them personally, or the job they did. Its just that they are pointless characters.
I'm sure down the line we will have someone unbury them for the diamonds. Or there will be a backstory such as ben saying he played football with Paulo everyweek.
I know there has to be a reason why you did this episode. To prove a point maybe, or to create a bit of downtime.

Please keep them dead. They are pointless characters.

Just caught it on replay. Decided last night I needed togo to bed early. Yep, theone time I wasn't excited about an episode.

Hoenstly, I wasn't overly enamored with this episode. But then I'm not overly enamored with pikki thing. I did, however enjoy seeing ARTZ again. Kind of a dark comic relief...seeing him. :eek2:

I guess the PTB's Iconic storyline was the come-uppance those two got being buried alive...But like Locke says, "Things don't stay buring for long " (paraphrase). And after all, Vincent got the clue they were still alive...:lipsseal:

Could be a set up for more pikki scenes; may not be. Hope not. If only we can see the future like Desmond does...LOL!

Purely a throw-away filler episode. Sort of entertaining but really a big nothing. Left me saying "And...?" I just wonder if someone will be walking by those graves in the future and see a hand sticking up from one of them. Macabre.
100%

Anyway, I wonder if the actors were like owed a favor or something by TPTB and got promised a "big" part on Lost or something. It kind of seems like they were just there to be there. But at least now they're gone and we can get on with our story.
100%

I was robbed of an hour of my life.



So was I. It was a purely filler type episode that didn't even advance anything.

I don't think the episode was bad, I just thought it was overhyped. Apparently there was a game changer, which I've yet to find out....

And what really bugged me was Sawyer's "Who the hell are you?" Weren't Nikki an Paulo introduced to show the audience the background characters, that the other characters interact with but we never see? Yet Sawyer is going "who the hell are you" I thought that was completely stupid, and defeated the whole purpose of Pikki.

I didn't LOVE this episode. I guess I was expecting a bit more from these "iconic" characters. I was actually upset that I stayed up late to watch it. I could have just watched it when I got home from work today.

As a singular episode I quite enjoyed this. It wasn't as good as the last couple, but it was far from being a bad episode, probably a 7/10. But I find myself posting in this topic because it seemed so pointless. The burial scene was very well done, with me genuinly hoping they'd figure things out before it was too late. Paulo and Nikki's backstory was a little weak, seemed thrown together (as in they had a structure but didn't really think it out as detailed as the other cast). I certainly couldn't have cared less about the guy they killed.

Personally I wasn't ever opposed to the two characters, but this episode just goes to show that they were pointless additions. The death was most defiantly cool, but I'd have preferred seeing somebody I'm invested in biting the dust. Seems to be a common problem with Lost, of all the characters that have died so far, I'd say only Boone, Shannon and possibly Eko had any real attachement with the audience. That's not to say the others weren't liked, but they weren't around long enough for us to love them. Despite the large number of deaths so far this season, I've yet to be anything more than slightly aggrivated when we lose a character.

Overall this episode left me a little empty. Not a bad example of television by any means, but it meant nothign to me. And for that I find myself posting in this topic, which is dissapointing. I'm hoping I've missed something, or we'll find out something later on about Paulo and Nikki, because at the moment I'm a little dissolussioned. Next week should be back on form, hopefully anyway.

I really didn't like this episode. I thought it was quite pointless. I could tell from the beginning, something was up and they weren't dead? But are they going to die buried in there or are the writers going to make them survive it??

Not invested in Nikki and Paulo...in fact Nikki pisses me off a lot. I really find her annoying. Their story didn't leave me with anything, I found it a little thrown together without a direct concept.

The only good thing about the episode was having some more Sawyer!! I have missed him greatly. I can't wait until all the losties have a reunion again.

but boo for nikki and paulo

I have to say this may be the only episode in 3 seasons I really didn't care for. It just seemed not even like the show lost. Kinda like they just threw it together and I don't know it just didn't work for me.

this episode was wierd, it was very entertaining by itself, but i am getting sick of "filler": epsidoe that don't drive the plot at all. Definatly one of the better "filler" epsiodes in the past 2 seasons but i want plot driven shows that resolves the story or questions(which i guess is hard to do cosndiering this show will probably last 2 seasons so you need some "filler")

I have to say the "filler" episodes this season seem to be more enjoyable then last season's crap(the one were sun loses her ring comes to mind), still anytime i do see filler episode i feel unsatifid because i want th show to relove to a final outcome.

I would say that this was probably my least favorite episode of the entire series. I thought the whole concept was ridiculous, the plotting poor, the writing very poor, the acting subpar and the sum total pointless.

I don't see how any characters were advanced in any way, or how the show story arc was advanced in any way.

And if Nikki and Paolo are dead, then why on earth was so much done to set up their presence in the first place? That's a lot of work for nothing.

And the alternative is even worse: that one or both of them claw their way out of the ground in an upcoming episode.

This may be the first time I have ever been motivated to actually write a letter to the producers of Lost. I was tremendously disappointed.

It was a filler episode.

Seemed like it was thrown together.

Most people don't care if Palo and Nikki died anyway. Why did we need a whole show on 2 characters who were back story, anyway.

Neither of those actors have the talent to be with the rest of the Lost cast. Even the dead characters have better acting skills.

This episode seemed to be written, acted and directed like some high schoolers filmed this the day before. Garbage.

Unbelievably bad.

This was the worst episode of Lost ever. The acting by the central characters was awful and the story was pointless. If Pikki had been working with the "Others" then the episode would have been worth watching but who cares about a couple of murdering thieves?

Are we really expected to believe that Pikki found a hatch and a plane in the woods and never mentioned it to the other survivors? Are we also expected to believe that Paulo never mentioned that the hatch had running water and strangers who were watching them on TV? How stupid.

This would have been a great Twilight Zone episode.


As a Lost episode it is the only one I can truely say I hated. Totally pointless. The more I found out about Nikki and Paulo the more I hated them as characters. I sure hope they stay buried.

As for 'Lost' - I'm giving them a "mulligan" on this episode. Let's get back on track next week!

Wow, GDH, I second pretty much everything you said! Not a terrible episode by itself, but completely pointless as part of THIS series.

Hi, Laura!

I just wanted to say that I agree with your post, and you stated things very well. I did enjoy seeing Boone again, as I miss him, but I also agree that he did not have a significant part, and he didn't get a chance to really do much. I agree he and Shannon were poorly integrated into the episode.

I think Paulo and Nikki were pathetic. Nikki had no redeeeming qualities, and Paulo loved Nikki, but keeping all of the Others info from the castaways was just stupid and a big plot hole.

Your post echoed many of my thoughts...


This was a horrible episode. I strongly disliked it. Ben and Juliet was cool. But Paulo not saying anything??? He may not have been actively working with the Others, but to see the beechcraft, go inside the Pearl, overhear Juliet and Ben's plan, and take a walkie-talkie.... all without telling anyone??? I'm sorry, but he might as well have been working with the Others for all he did to try and integrate himself and try to help the other Losties. He's a horrible person, a horrible character, a horrible actor, and I'm glad he's gone.
Nikki's not much better. Bad actress (on show and in real life) and a cold-blooded murdered with only $ on the brain. Gross.

I would have rather not seen Shannon, Boone or Arzt at all than to have seen them poorly integrated into the plotline like this. I'm sorry, but I'd rather not have throwback episodes if they are going to be like this.

Bad taste in my mouth.

And seriously, I'm annoyed how hyped this episode was. Nothing was really revealed. No game changer. They weren't even the moles. This episode was so irrelevent.
Getting the walkie talkie, Charlie coming clean and Sawyer being outed by Sun, and Ben and Juliet's conversation? All cool but totally could have been integrated into other episodes in other, better ways.

Useless. Hated it. And, frankly, unhappy with Lost right now. Especially after last week's awesome episode.

anyone notice the smokey sound that went off before the male spiders came in.....did those spiders have a little help? Maybe just a quick way to get rid of characters no one likes....or maybe that episode was to help the die hards get a lock on the time line going on on the island.....all i know is that paolo is a punk.....others take jack away and the guy obviously knows about it....that episode made me hate those characters a little more.....sorry i go off on tangents frequently.....and they writers told us we'd end up falling in love with those 2 characters later in season 3 in a magazine article i read.....boy were they off

That episode was completely unoriginal.

I've read countless books and have watch several TV shows with the same basic storyline of somebody getting buried alive when they were temporarily paralyzed.

Also, I seemed to remember one of TPTB saying that some big thing was going to happen with the Palo and Niki story.

I guess that would be one of the following:
1. Two cons rip off some old rich dude using a sexy female as the "bait".
2. Riches stolen from old rich dude turn out to be ironically worthless.
3. The cons kill each other.
4. Ben was plotting to get Jack to operate on him
5. Sun would find out who kidnapped her.

All I have to say after staying up late watching is one gigantic yawn. :)

That episode was completely unoriginal.

I've read countless books and have watch several TV shows with the same basic storyline of somebody getting buried alive when they were temporarily paralyzed.

Also, I seemed to remember one of TPTB saying that some big thing was going to happen with the Palo and Niki story.

I guess that would be one of the following:
1. Two cons rip off some old rich dude using a sexy female as the "bait".
2. Riches stolen from old rich dude turn out to be ironically worthless.
3. The cons kill each other.
4. Ben was plotting to get Jack to operate on him
5. Sun would find out who kidnapped her.

All I have to say after staying up late watching is one gigantic yawn. :)


I agree with you completely. This episode was too plain. Felt unoriginal..

I thought it would have been better if they did a more maybe happier episode with Nikki and Paulo. Happy couple dies on the island. Maybe have them or one of them bump into Ben, or one of the others.. (someone bigger than Ethan) something that could go down that line. I wish they didn't have Ethan in this episode. He appeared in too many episodes so far.

This episode was a semi-clever "filler" episode and a means to the end of Nikki and Paulo. Doubt it took much production time compared to the other episodes or much preparation by the actors. They probably put in alot of half-days putting together this one. At least they did not go the inevitable route of having one of them stick a hand out from the grave - you gotta give them that.

Didn't love it - first strike in a long time - but I TRUST it will be the last lame-o episode of the season. :nono:

Totally boring episode. They could have just killed the characters off without backstory, like Artz, and no one would have batted an eyelash.

The whole backstory was un-needed and didn't really give us any new info besides the fact that they had their own "find the diamonds" obsessed island experience.

I felt this show was the worst so far. Totally unoriginal and un-needed.

I actually didn't hate the episode, but if Nikki and Paulo are not the result of Desmond's actions in FBYE (I think they are, but I hate the idea), I don't really see the point of this episode.

well i can tell alot of work went into the episode but it was yawnarific ,ill take this opne bad ep just to get rid of P&N.

all hell breaks loose with Locke blowing up the ship and Sayid and Kate getting captured and then BAM!, the next episode doesn't even deal with any of it. this trend of jumping storylines right when they get interesting started modestly in the 2nd season and has developed into the main M.O. this season.

No one cares about anything else at the beach!! don't abandon storylines! its frustrating!

I shall write more later. The producers talked so much about this episode in 2 podcasts!!!
And it turned out to be a damp squib. I always thought the TPTB were intelligent guys
who have made an intelligent show. Although, I would watch Lost, I guess Lost is really
running amok with stupidity.

More later....

all hell breaks loose with Locke blowing up the ship and Sayid and Kate getting captured and then BAM!, the next episode doesn't even deal with any of it. this trend of jumping storylines right when they get interesting started modestly in the 2nd season and has developed into the main M.O. this season.

No one cares about anything else at the beach!! don't abandon storylines! its frustrating!



That is my major complaint. There should be a continuance of the episodes but nothing happened. Just another filler episode with a way to get rid of Nikki and Paulo.



I shall write more later. The producers talked so much about this episode in 2 podcasts!!!
And it turned out to be a damp squib. I always thought the TPTB were intelligent guys
who have made an intelligent show. Although, I would watch Lost, I guess Lost is really
running amok with stupidity.

More later....


Do let us know what they said. I agree Lost episodes seem to be really running amok with stupidity.

I guess we have to resign ourselves to the fact that Lost is following in the X-files footsteps with filler episodes. I just hope the monster episodes as I called them for Xfiles are fewer and farther between in Lost. And much more enjoyable in the future than this one was.

I'm sorry, but this episode sucked.

This did NOTHING to advance the main story line. It was about two incidental characters that we knew nothing about, nor did we CARE to know anything about them.

This was a major shark jumping.

Embrace the fact! As eternal fans of LOST, let us embrace the one true fact,
that this Season is going to be a combination of few good episodes & many bad ones.

After a relatively very good episode we get his bad egg named Exposé.
What were TPTB trying to show? How good they are at interconnecting things?
Well, it was a forced tedious effort at doing so & the ploy fell flat on the face.

CC-DL talked so flatteringly about Exposé in as many as 2 to 3 podcasts:-
"We guarantee you..."
"You will regret if you have hated Pikki"
"Very much excited about this particular episode..."
"Gonna be impressive, fantastic..."
Blah, blah, & more blah...

I was looking forward for those quotes to come true so that producer/writers would
redeem themselves for making the majority of this season an unfathomable disaster as
compared to the early LOST standards. In the latest podcast they talked about the
writers of "Exposé" who also wrote "Dave" & "Tricia Tanaka is Dead". That was the 1st
point when I became apprehensive of "Exposé".

Well, the episode itself was full of bad story, bad writing & bad acting. It was much
obvious an effort at badly merging the 2 dafts who came out of nowhere into the central
plotline. No one cared about them before. No one cares yet.

The merging of Pikki into the classic Pilot scenes was nothing short of blasphemy.
They should NOT have touched that footage.

So Paulo & Nikki's flashback story was about stealing diamonds. OKAY.
Paulo found the diamonds & hid them cuz he loves Nikki. OKAY.
So they knew about the beechcraft, the hatch, the others, part of their
plan, but wonderfully decided to be discreet. OKAY.
Paulo decided to hide the diamonds in the hatch. OKAY.
That too in a flush. OKAY.
But he is witness to the arrivals of the 2 others & party to their plan
concerning Michael, Shephard, Ford, Austen. Lets forget the plan & its
implications. Paulo is just concerned about the diamonds. Fair enough.
But doesnt he see that this means that the HATCH IS INHABITED, & it is just too
dangerous to hide his 80 Million Dollars in there!!! But he does. OOOKAY.

Its unimaginable Ben wont close the hatch doors when he leaves. THEN HOW IN THE
WORLD DID PAULO GET OUT OF THE HATCH!

Later, he smashes the doll. No one hears it??? And they hear the flush just before he
comes out!

Sawyer gives the diamonds to Sun (LOL). Later he scatters them in the grave (LOLLLL).
And all of them expect other people not to come & dig the grave as a part of The Great Diamond Hunt.

This episode was as insipid as it was flat. It left me with a sour aftertaste. 14 episodes
into the season & only a few good ones. LOST is in a bad shape right now. It seems to
be strechted & dragged with some of the vacuous writers doing an equivalently awful job.

Exposé was an exercise in futility. I hope LOST wont turn out to be just that, eventually.
Please come back dear old LOST.

I am a devoted LOST fan but, incidentally, I am eagerly awaiting HEROES return on
April 23.

I have very few Lost episodes which I don't like, but this one was really dissappointing. I still want to know, why we needed Pikki on the show?!! OK, Paolo knew a lot and he never told, so where it leads us?! My only hope is that they are really dead, 'cause they were complete nonentities and I never want to see them again.

I guess we have to resign ourselves to the fact that Lost is following in the X-files footsteps with filler episodes. I just hope the monster episodes as I called them for Xfiles are fewer and farther between in Lost. And much more enjoyable in the future than this one was.

Actually, I kinda liked the X-Files filler episodes. It was the conspiracy that was getting monotonous. However, I didn't like this episode at all. It was inplausible, incoherent and rather annoying to say the least.

Note to writers: You want to make a good Lost episode? Look at Prison Break. Reveal a little, hide a little. And always do it in breakneck speed. That's what made The Man From Tallahassee so good. First rule of DNA science, bring something into the room, take something out of the room.

I was looking forward for those quotes to come true so that producer/writers
would redeem themselves for the disastrous season so far. In the latest
podcast they talked about the writers of "Exposé" who also wrote "Dave"
& "Tricia Tanaka is Dead". That was the 1st point I became apprehensive
of "Exposé".


Don't forget "Fire+Water". These are the same writers that have been rewarded by ABC with a long term deal. Yet David Fury and Javier G-M were not!

I didn't hate this episode, in fact by itself it was fairly decent, but I have the same general complaint as others here have expressed. It was just so... pointless. I was really annoyed when Pikki showed up, since Lost has so many characters the audience already cares about that have been underused this season. (Claire, for example). We did not need new ones at all.

I really thought the purpose of having them introduced would be that they were involved with the Others in some way, or that SOMEHOW they would have tied in with other mysteries of the show, but none of this happened. I think they were likely a failed (and unnecessary!) attempt to add new characters, and this was the way to be rid of them. Essentially it was filler, and turned out to be completely irrelevant to anything else in the plot. Plus, I did not care, and do not care about Pikki at all.

On the positive side, I liked the ending of the episode, which was kind of cool in a morbid sort of way.

I really thought the purpose of having them introduced would be that they were involved with the Others in some way, or that SOMEHOW they would have tied in with other mysteries of the show, but none of this happened. I think they were likely a failed (and unnecessary!) attempt to add new characters, and this was the way to be rid of them. Essentially it was filler, and turned out to be completely irrelevant to anything else in the plot. Plus, I did not care, and do not care about Pikki at all.

On the positive side, I liked the ending of the episode, which was kind of cool in a morbid sort of way.

On The TV Guide site Damon Lindhof ADMITS that the show was just to off two characters that fans liked from the beginning. He said something along the lines of "We had to own up to it" so they offed them in an episode devoted to the characters.

Sorry, but I do not see the logic of devoting a whole episode to two nobodies in the show whom no one cares about. They could have simply blown them up like Artz without backstory and no one would care. Their backstory did not make them any more likeable.

The characters seem to have no ties to any of the main storylines so why bother devoting a backstory and episode to them? That is not an intelligent decision and the acting of the two characters and the whole "Scooby Doo" mystery solving stuff just hurt to watch it was so poorly written.

I have been a hardcore LOST fan since the beginning and now, I am starting to think this show needs to be wrapped up within the next season or else there will be more and more crap episodes like this one aired.

Next week's episode has me scared since the preview had the WWE Smackdown-like wording,"This Jungle Will Rumble" while Juliet and Kate smacked each other around. That does not make me want to watch the episode because the whole wording is CHEESY.

Pointless episode and a waste of viewers time.

Just my two cents.

How many people have they gotten rid of since the show first started. Nikki and Paulo storyline was a snooze factory. How come they didn't tell anyone that they were in the hatch and saw Ben.
Next weeks episodewith the rumble in the jungle between Kate and Juliet looks really lame to me. Some people seem to get off on 2 women fighting over a guy.:rolleyes:

I don't think I want to watch it either.

Jumped.The.Shark.

'Nuff said

May have been the worst episode yet. Almost like the writers needed to fill in material to stretch the season. Compared with the previous episode, one of the best, this was quite a letdown. Introducing these new characters, showing them in some of the season 1 drama, and all I could think was, "they weren't part of the first season, what is this show trying to do". Reminds me of Dallas, when the death of Bobby and an entire season turned out to be a dream of Pam's. Get to the story. I almost went to bed.

Lost jumped the shark a long time ago. But hey, at least we had a very decent 16-ish eps in total (the first 16 :biggrin:)

How the hell would the highschool teacher know every single species of spider? You would have to know them all in order to indentify new/unknown species, very unconvincing writing. I guess the strippers and bikini scenes were supposed to distract us from that little fact. This show has turned into a very drawn out mid-day soap opera on a less and less interesting island with mysteries that have been either completely forgotten by the writers (do they just make these things up on the spot?) or are so very insignificant and frankly boring that we really dont care (jacks tattoos anyone?).

This episode is almost as bad as Fire & Water last season.
Ugh. What was worse - seeing inserted N&P everywhere, or seeing that N&P had a cool relationship with Ethan and Arzt that no one ever new of, or was it that I had to watch them for an entire hour knowing full well they were likely killed off. Pointless.

I see nothing to take from this episode beyond seeing Ben and Juliet barefoot in the hatch.


eta: oh, and could someone explain why this was the shark jump? I knew that this was the episode but all I am seeing is that it was poor in comparison, nothing plotwise that jumped.

This was definitely my least favorite Lost episode if it is what it is. But someone smarter than me posted a theory on his Lost fan site about how it may be an ingenious episode because it might be hiding that game changing information within what seems like a "filler" episode. Two hints, the code for the season finale is "the snake in the mailbox" and the villian in Expose was named "The Cobra." If the theory pans out I'm sure I won't be the only one reassessing their opinion of this episode.

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*MOD EDIT again*
BTW: I happend to like Fire and Water, Charlie is my second favorite character.

You know things are not good when you can watch Episode 13, Skip 14, and watch 15 next week and not skip a beat.....
This might have been worse then Jacks last flashback...........
What was Jack's last flashback?

Anyway, I actually enjoyed all of this episode, because it was all so crepe! :D
(I'm in the didn't-love-it thread because it was such hokum).

Silly plot, full of holes and inconsistencies, totally unconvincing. Kinda reminded me of Romancing The Stone.
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What were TPTB trying to show? How good they are at interconnecting things?
So many people are wondering what was the point of this Nikki & Paolo episode.

OK, does anyone here ever do any writing, or script analysis for amateur dramatics, say?

It seems fairly obvious to me that the writers were using Nikki & Paolo to show the audience (us) stuff that Jack, Locke, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer, et al couldn't know. Specifically, Ben's ludicrous "plan" to use Michael to get Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

The thing with the diamonds explains why Paolo didn't tell anyone about the Pearl or Ben's plan. "And how did you find out about all this, Paolo?". "Oh, it was while I was hiding $8million worth of diamonds in the toilet".

And the whole backstory was to (1) explain where the diamonds came from and (2) establish that Paolo and Nikki were capable of murder.

Sure enough, it was still bonkers; but WTF?! :D
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Well, I waited. When Sawyer said "Who the hell is Nikki?" I thought the timeline had been altered and only Sawyer noticed because he zonked out in the brainwash room. I was wrong. When Ethan showed up, I thought the two spent time with him and we'd get to see what he did before he took Claire.
We did. He got himself quite a neat haircut! :biggrin:
(Compared with A Tale Of Two Cities).

As for Sawyer, when he read the messages in the bottle on the raft, he said, "Who the hell is Hugo and how's he got $160million to leave to his Mom?"
If he still hasn't twigged who the hell Hugo is, is it any surprise he's totally unaware of Nikki? Maybe he can only remember nicknames. Hence all the nicknames.

As a stand-alone hour of television that was excellent, if somewhat predictable.

However, when you link it in with what we have previously seen on Lost and where we were the previous week, it was yet more stalling, more filler.

Didin't love it, didn't hate it.

Razzle dazzle? I think not.

Wow, so Paulo wasn't dropping the deuce after all? Shocking. Although it's not as shocking as why he thought it was a good idea to hide the diamonds down the hatch in a toilet where he knew The Others hung out and had cameras. Wasn't there a thousand better places to stash the dismonds? Did he really want to venture back down there to get them and risk running into The Others? Was that hiding place really convenient? LAME.

So, Sawyer really didn't know Nikki and Paulo's names? Nearly three months on an island with these people and you don't know names?

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Nikki asks Artz about "trajectories' to help find the bag? Now I'm no physicist but trying to determine where a bag would be after a plane breaks apart thousands of feet in the air using "trajectories" seems far-fetched and ridiculous.

Sawyer throws the diamonds in the grave? C'mon. The second everyone walked away I would dig those puppies back up.

And finally... the spiders. Am I the only one who cringed with embarrasment at this scenario?
I think you about summed up this gobbler of an episode. It's easily one of the worst from ANY season. So,what was wrong with it? Let's try the clumsy revisionism, the spiders, the casual attitude from Sawyer regarding a million bucks' worth of sparklers, oh and the absurd premature burial twist. Worst of all was Ben and Juliet pointlessly accessing the Pearl in order to reveal their diabolical plans JUST as Paolo equally pointlessly uses the station's cistern to hide the booty. Even I coulda written a better ep than this one.

The whole diamonds as worthless reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode Number 60 which I've copied the summary below:

Name: The Rip Van Winkle Caper
Episode Number: 60
Author: Rod Serling
Synopsis: Four gold thieves put themselves to sleep for one hundred years to escape capture in the present.
Theme(s): Greed, Crime Doesn't Pay
Recurring Serling Motif: Ironic twist ending, the technique most identified with The Twilight Zone. In this case, it's an easily spotted but thoroughly satisfying one. The thieves sleep for a century, wake up in the future, kill each other off to get a bigger share of gold, and once they're all dead we learn that in the future gold is worthless.

The whole diamonds as worthless reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode Number 60 which I've copied the summary below:

Name: The Rip Van Winkle Caper
Episode Number: 60
Author: Rod Serling
Synopsis: Four gold thieves put themselves to sleep for one hundred years to escape capture in the present.
Theme(s): Greed, Crime Doesn't Pay
Recurring Serling Motif: Ironic twist ending, the technique most identified with The Twilight Zone. In this case, it's an easily spotted but thoroughly satisfying one. The thieves sleep for a century, wake up in the future, kill each other off to get a bigger share of gold, and once they're all dead we learn that in the future gold is worthless.

The ending reminded me of another TZ episode where a girl trying to escape from prison believes she's going to be rescued from a coffin by the guy that works in the mortuary...only he's dead in the coffin.

As i said, as an hours entertainment it was very good but an hour of Lost when the previous couple of episodes had begun to look like those from Season 1 ? It was a step backwards.

Completely, utterly worthless episode of Lost. Zero value. Total filler.

Entertaining? Mildly. Relevant, important, or meaningful? Not at all.

It was as though they hired a guest writer to do an episode of "CSI: LOST", or "The Nikki & Paulo one hour murder mystery starring the cast of Lost on the Lost island", which had nothing to do with the major storyline of Lost in the slightest.

Completely, utterly trivial. This seems more like something that would be a bonus feature on a website or on the DVDs rather than something that was worthy of inclusion in an actual episode.

After some extremely promising episodes, this one was a true stinker. Horribly pointless. Massive disappointment. Trivial. Empty.

Completely, utterly worthless episode of Lost. Zero value. Total filler.

Entertaining? Mildly. Relevant, important, or meaningful? Not at all.

It was as though they hired a guest writer to do an episode of "CSI: LOST", or "The Nikki & Paulo one hour murder mystery starring the cast of Lost on the Lost island", which had nothing to do with the major storyline of Lost in the slightest.


Totally agree with you. It was incredibly predictable. Nikki and Paulo are dead...or are they. They murdered each other...or did they. Not even the valent efforts of Hurley could save this episode.

The episode wasn't worth watching. I woke up the next day and thought "I can't wait for Lost this week...oh wait I already watched Lost but I FORGOT!!"

Completely, utterly trivial. This seems more like something that would be a bonus feature on a website or on the DVDs rather than something that was worthy of inclusion in an actual episode.

True. Very True.

The episode wasn't worth watching. I woke up the next day and thought "I can't wait for Lost this week...oh wait I already watched Lost but I FORGOT!!"

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

This storyline was like an episode of 'Sunset Beach'. I agree with so many things preivous posters have mentioned: 1) Bad rehashing of past clips and slotting N/P in them like cardboard pop ups. 2) The re-emergence of Boone/Shannon - amazing characters who were demeaned by playing supporting actors for N/P grande expose - ironically they were by far the best and only redeeming features of this whole episode.

The writers of this show seem to have lost the thread somewhere - this episode was a like a write by numbers job. No smooth progression, no subtle dialogue - all so crass and in your face. Ben: 'I manipulate people by finding their weaknesses' Ummmm durrgh!! That is the whole point of manipulation and if this man is some grande mastermind he really would have spelled something like that out so explicitly. I think not. Pointless scene upon pointless scene and riddled with inconsistency. So if a bag is in a pond for 20 days or so. Canvas bag at that - it isn't soaked through - yet somehow a paper script manages to survive untarnished, as does a box of gum....hmmm ye sindeed makes sense. And eagle eye Kate would've missed this same bag when diving for a box of guns. I don't think so.

This could have been done so much better - I never liked N/P but even I could see that if they introduced them in more subtley - e.g. go disappearing into the woods - noticed by other characters in passing conversation, they could have become more intriguing. It seemed like the writers tried to uncover everything about these characters in 1 episode. It didnt work. Lost all suspense and dramatic tension in the process.

Also the fact that the producers/writers kill of 2 characters seeminly based solely upon fan/viwer hate - implies that they have no clear story arc in mind - otherwise they would not bow so easily to public opinion and cut out 2 people from the show with such break neck speed.

This show is a sinking ship and the writers are the musicians playing obliviously on deck.

Man, this thread is great! We need more poor episodes, if they can provoke so much wit.:biggrin:

Doesn't anyone else think that Nikki & Paolo were only ever brought into the show to be used for exposition?
Also, anyone suspect the episode was deliberately made poor, as a parody of Expose-type tv series? The scene where Nikki skips up to Artz boobs-first made me laugh.

I admit I was disappointeed in this episode. I am tired of so many characters being so utterly dispicable. After Nicki and Paulo killed that film reviewer guy for his money I just was disgusted. I'd like to see some normal peope on the island..

This episode was basically a mutant blend of all of the bad traits from Laguna Beach ("Nikki uses her boobs to get what she wants from unsuspecting men"), CSI ("Let's investigate the crime scene"), Dynasty ("The slap heard round the world"), Scooby Doo ("We would have gotten away with our diamond heist, if it is weren't for you meddling kids"), and any episode of any soap opera where they insert a new actor for a character and hope viewers will not notice (the insertion of Pikki in beloved scenes from previous seasons).

Seriously, I feel like I am watching a different show produced and written by entirely different crews each week. Last week was PURE GENIUS. It was emotionally satisfying, thought-provoking and mythology-advancing.

I dont need mythology every week though. TTID is one of my favorite episodes this season!! Just show me some decency and respect as a viewer. Do not insult my intelligence, do not rewrite the history of the show, and do not make promises your body cant cash producers (Pikki will be "iconic" after the episode), I give you my time each week, I spend time on your website, I tell my friends about your show - dont thank me with BS like this. Randomly introducing new characters, gving them a pointless and emotionally stale backstory, and then kill them in a laughable manner.

I keep on waiting for this show to get good again, Last week gave me hope. This week made me realize hope could not be farther away. Clearly the creative team has lost control of the show and they are just trying to survive to the end of the series by the skin of their a*s.

At this point, my only hope is that the ratings continue to plummet, and it causes them to put this show out of its misery ASAP. It would be a mercy killing.

I wasn't going to comment on this episode because I didn't find it worthy. It was a total filler. I won't even try to see any time loop clues and try to genearete theories. X-files had some genious humourous episodes ("Bad blood", "small potatoes", "triangle" etc.) but Lost should never try this road. It doesn't do good to the flow of the show. (which is hardly flowing)

Paulo seeing Ben and Juliet making plans on Jack has just made me HATE Season 3 (especially mini-arc) more. So the reason behind the capture of Jack, Kate and Sawyer was really, hmmm, silly. They explained it for the dumb! audiences who were waiting clear explanation and it seemed sillier than ever.

And after reading this in the spoiler section, I've lost any hope that Lost has a direction... Direction is not just having a certain end point.

"That the producers decided to kill off much-maligned castaways Nikki and Paolo on this week's episode may not have been a shock to fans. But how the greedy, murderous pair died provided one of the biggest twists — and thrills — of the season. (After being paralyzed by spider bites, the not-so-dynamic duo were buried alive — albeit unwittingly — by Sawyer and Hurley.) "People hated them before they even opened their mouths to say anything significant because it felt like they were crashing the party," exec producer Damon Lindelof acknowledges of the characters who were abruptly introduced last fall. "The easiest thing would have been to just write them out and forget they ever happened, like the cougar on [Season 2] of 24. But that's not Lost. We should at least own up to it." " (From TV Guide)

Can you just believe that they see this episode as "owning up to it". They are the ones who created those characters and their excuse is "people hated them before they opened their mouth.". I really don't know what to say. As I mentioned in the spoiler thread, as creators they are the ones who should make us like or dislike the characters with their OWN stories. They are the ones that should be in control of the stories and characters. But more and more I feel that that is not the case. What I see is a sinking mediocre show with ridiculous plotlines based on internet "character" fans' feedback and coward writing totally based on popularity of characters within internet fandom. I just wish I'd never come to the boards and seen why I see what I see.
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At this point, my only hope is that the ratings continue to plummet, and it causes them to put this show out of its misery ASAP. It would be a mercy killing.

Amen...

Man, this thread is great! We need more poor episodes, if they can provoke so much wit.:biggrin:

Instead of watching the all-new pointless lost episodes, you may want to go back and read previous 'didn't love it' threads. They're usually about 10 times better written than the dynamic duo's newest piece of crap.

The scene where Nikki skips up to Artz boobs-first made me laugh.

Attention, using naughty words like that may get you warnings on this website, especially when posted in the didn't loved it thread, since the admins are zealots. This IS a fan site, after all ;)

This episode sucked, was the worst of the season for me. I sincerely hope the next episode is better, but from the looks of the trailer it doesn't seem good.

Attention, using naughty words like that may get you warnings on this website, especially when posted in the didn't loved it thread, since the admins are zealots. This IS a fan site, after all ;)
I shall simply argue that I didn't say anything we didn't see in the episode. If they can show it, we can discuss it!

Not terrible. But if they don't find some way to work this into the story some way it was pretty much a waste of an hour (other than seeing Nikki with practically nothing on.) You can pretty much forget this episode ever happened and it wouldn't matter. But hey, find a show that doesn't have a few throwaway episodes. You won't find one.

Worst Lost Episode ever. nikki and Paulo were jsut poorly written characters.

didnt like the ending.....
for me it was far to...i dunno..shocking...
i mean being accidently buried alive....its seems a bit to dark for lost.