People were puzzled over the couple times Desmond interviened in affairs in this episode

It seems clear Desmond only revealed one of the ways Charlie died today--but there were more than one. You can see them sorting this out when they are arguing on the beach(out of conversation reach)

But all of that is not important

The important point I think people are missing is the big picture

Charlie dies when he is with Claire or trying to help Claire

I dont think it will take many more episode for Desmond to see that this is the key to stopping Charlies death--and this would be a great plot.

Can Charie forget Claire. I think the answer is..he will try..but in the end he cant stand to be without her. Desmond may end up telling Claire--NOT Charlie--and that will also be a good plot.

Agreed. And at the end of the season he will die saving Claire.

:frown: It does seem to be Charlies destiny to die for Claire.

I think it's asking the impossible to say "Charlie, stay away from Claire" if Claire is in need of help. Charlie just can't help himself when it comes to protecting Claire. He is completely lacking in reason when it comes to Claire (or Aaron). Foolish boy knows he can't swim yet he dives into the ocean for Claire. It shows how caring and loyal Charlie can be, but - damn it - he is making it too easy for the universe to pounce on him.

Amen brutha. I posted this on a different thread but the bottom line is if you want to live Charlie...stay away from little miss "I don't even want to know your name" Dad. Ugh Daddy issues will they never cease?

Not too much angst, eh? Their love is so sweet and yet potentially fatal.....

It's a great dillemma for his character. Just like his heroin, the thing he wants most, that he can't live without, can kill him.

There are larger theories about why this is. Some say the universe really wants Charlie away from Aaron, and that it is his destiny to ultimately save Claire and Aaron from something and the universe is trying to prevent it. Or, this could just be a freak outcome as a result of the key turning mishap. They could all be in the wrong timeline, one in which Charlie dies.

I wonder if they do come to the realization that they have to separate for Charlie's own safety. I thought that Charlie would pull away from Claire on his own to protect her, but that doesn't seem to be happening. The "we'll get through this together" sounds like they are sticking it out no matter what.

It would be great if Charlie and Claire both died, while Charlie tries to save her.

It would be great if Charlie and Claire both died, while Charlie tries to save her.

No it wouldn't. It would negate Charlie's sacrifice.

Just like his heroin, the thing he wants most, that he can't live without, can kill him.I absolutely agree.

“It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child.”
- Richard Malkin


I truly believe the universe will leave Charlie alone...if he stays away.

And he and Desmond will bond over the fact that neither one can be with his one true love...I see a lot of Sawyer's beer stash dissapearing.

And he and Desmond will bond over the fact that neither one can be with his one true love...I see a lot of Sawyer's beer stash dissapearing.

How can they drink that skunky crap? I'd stick to McCutcheon. :hypocrit:

I think Charlie and Desmond get closer with each near miss.

How can they drink that skunky crap? I'd stick to McCutcheon. :hypocrit:

I think Charlie and Desmond get closer with each near miss.


When you are in that much pain..anything to drown the sorrow.

I know..I'm getting melodramtic.

And this is a 'triangle' I can live with. :wink1:

I can deal with this temporarily, but Charlie staying away from Claire permanently would really tick me off. What is the point of living if you are just going to exist (like what Christian said to Claire about her mum? He was right, but Claire only thought that he was trying to get her to "kill" her mum) ? I would venture to guess that most people would rather live a shorter life and be happy then live a longer one and be miserable. Long term, Charlie would be miserable without Claire and Aaron..........Claire wouldn't be happy, either. What a great way to live........not.

This whole Des/Claire/Charlie storyline is fabulous and a lot of fun, but a bad ending (like Charlie dying) would completely ruin it for me. I just can't believe that the writers are trying to make the point that you can't change your future and that the future is set in stone. How truly depressing is that ? There will be a lot of angry fans if Charlie dies and we are stuck with the eternal triangle of Jack/Kate/Sawyer.

This whole Des/Claire/Charlie storyline is fabulous and a lot of fun, but a bad ending (like Charlie dying) would completely ruin it for me. I just can't believe that the writers are trying to make the point that you can't change your future and that the future is set in stone. How truly depressing is that ? There will be a lot of angry fans if Charlie dies and we are stuck with the eternal triangle of Jack/Kate/Sawyer.

That little family of Charlie/Claire/Aaron is hope personified on that island. This episode really drove that point home. No better couple to send off that bird than Charlie and Claire. They really represent that hope and promise of a better future. It gave me hope that they can't kill that. I just can't see how it wouldn't be soooo tragic as to turn viewers off completely. They can't break up that family!

I think it's interesting that Desmond has been thrown into the Charlie/Claire relationship. I want to say, "How long will Desmond try to save Charlie's life if Charlie is unwilling to save himself?" But then it occurs to me that Desmond does know what it feels like to be without the woman he loves, so I can see him understanding Charlie's inability to stay away from Claire.

I don't think this storyline would play out half as well with any other character than Desmond. But I'm still kind of wondering how much longer these same scenes will occur.

I also like the metaphorical implications (?) of the story line - we are all (like Charlie) under a death sentence that is inevitable. But his - well, Desmond's actually - awareness of the execution is causing Charlie to limit his life and control his actions to the point that it is ruining his living of the time he has. I think one of the messages is that ignorance really is bliss!:)

That little family of Charlie/Claire/Aaron is hope personified on that island. This episode really drove that point home. No better couple to send off that bird than Charlie and Claire. They really represent that hope and promise of a better future. It gave me hope that they can't kill that. I just can't see how it wouldn't be soooo tragic as to turn viewers off completely. They can't break up that family!

Well, exactly. I am not a person, either, who thinks writers should cater to the fans. Generally speaking, I don't think it's fair for fans to ask TPTB (of any show) to change their vision to suit their whims. To be fair, most of my venting is just worry ; I don't have any proof from the writers that they intend to kill Charlie and thereby breakup C/C. I am beyond thrilled at this storyline and the execution and can not ask for anything more than that. I also agree that the journey is what makes a story - which is why I don't understand why some fans want all the answers now. Point is, though, that in this case......a sad, bitter ending would absolutely destroy me as a viewer and I seriously doubt I could watch Lost with the same feeling and intensity that I do now. Logically speaking, it would be a dumb move because Dom is a terrific actor and Charlie is a great character with tons more storyline potential. Additionally, Dom and Emilie's chemistry forced itself upon the writers - writers kill for screen pairings like this. Intentionally destroying it would be foolish to say the least. Emotionally speaking, ruining C/C would rip my heart out...and probably those of many other fans. It would be like killing Aaron, which IMO would be inexcusable and heartless. I'm not saying that Claire and Charlie, on their own and individually, can't have their own dramas (yay for Claire and Jack), but it sure would be nice to know that there is a very happy future for this couple out there (and for Jack, and for everyone else...............not realistic, but I can hope).

I also like the metaphorical implications (?) of the story line - we are all (like Charlie) under a death sentence that is inevitable. But his - well, Desmond's actually - awareness of the execution is causing Charlie to limit his life and control his actions to the point that it is ruining his living of the time he has. I think one of the messages is that ignorance really is bliss!:)

yes! indeed

I thought i saw some moments of charlie accepting his fated death to be with Claire last night, when he realized desmond was trying to get him to go hunting but he seemed conflicted and stayed on claires good side. I think this acceptance of fate is such a lost theme and we saw it with desmond when he broke up with penny...now he is in the desert for forty days, and i believe charlie might have to follow suite but then again look how well forty days worked out for Eko

It's a great dillemma for his character. Just like his heroin, the thing he wants most, that he can't live without, can kill him.
Nice.
I like where this plot is going.

One thought: perhaps it is Claire who is supposed to die (so that Aaron is brought up by another), but Charlie keeps throwing himself in the way and becoming the recipient?

Charlie's prophesied death coming as the result of performing some action for Claire seems to be obvious after last night. Instead of thinking about what glorious way Charlie can die in saving Claire, I've actually been thinking about algebra - in particular the commutative law. The commutative law states that a+b=b+a. Thinking about the commutative law in relation to Charlie and Claire, isn't it possible Claire is in as much danger as Charlie when they are together? No one really knows the extent or accuracy of Desmond's ability to see the future. We aren't sure if this power of Desmond's is actually real or if it's not another manifestation of the force that got Jack to run off of a cliff, and would have died if Locke hadn't been there, chasing an apparition of his father, Hurley to almost jump off the cliff following the advice of an apparition, Shannon to chase after an apparition straight into a gun shot, Ana Lucia to shoot her gun in fear induced by the whispers, Locke to convince Boone to climb up to the plane and thereby ending up dead, Charlie to hallucinate he was saving the baby when he was really about to drown it, etc. Sure, Desmond thought he went back in time and thought he could see the future and thought he could change the way things happened. In the end, though, he ended up back on the island convinced he can "see" Charlie's death and doing everything he can trying to prevent it. Isn't it possible this is a set-up for Claire?

Think about it. Claire believes in astrology and seeing the future. Someone shows up, someone who can demonstrate, seemingly, the ability to know the future. The person who can see into the future tells you that your current boyfriend/girlfriend - a rocky relationship that you've broken up a few times - is going to die. Oh, one more thing - the boyfriend/girlfriend is gonna die as the result of doing something for you. How's that for emotional manipulation? Now Claire is going to go out of her way to protect Charlie and Charlie is going to be afraid, hesitant, and second-guessing everything he does - no matter how much he wants to protect Claire. Perfect recipe for Claire to end up dead.

Just thinking outloud..........

dave

Crazy theory.. What if Charlie is actually not going to die and desmond is just making it up to drive Charlie away from Claire?