Does anyone else think that there may be more to Lockes dream then we origionally thought?

I watched the episode again, and now that were 10 episodes into the new season, we can see what Boone said had some impact on what happened elsewhere on the island.

BOONE: Hi, John. It's good to see you again. [Locke wants to speak, but can't] What's that, John? [Locke mouths/whispers: I'm sorry] Oh, you're sorry. That's okay. I was the sacrifice the island demanded. [Locke mouths something else] Don't worry; you'll speak when you have something worth saying. I'm here to help you find your way again. So you can bring the family back together. Come on, I want to show you something.

[Locke tries to move, but his leg doesn't work. He looks at Boone, panic stricken, and tries to move his leg again.]

BOONE [pointing off camera]: John, you're going to need that.

[We see a wheelchair lying on its side with the wheel spinning. We see trippy flashes of superimposed images of Locke's face. We see the wheel chair rolling along with Locke at the Sydney airport, Boone pushing him.]

BOONE: John, someone in this airport is in serious danger. You are the only one who can save them.

[We see Charlie and Claire cooing over Aaron and Locke points at them.]

BOONE: Not them, they'll be fine -- for a while.

[Locke sees Sayid, Sun and Jin. He points as Jin and Sun argue. Sayid pats Jin's back.]

BOONE: I think Sayid's got it.
[Locke sees Hurley working as an Oceanic counter person. Hurley types the numbers into the computer.]

BOONE: Not Hurley.

[Locke sees Desmond dressed as a pilot walking and laughing with some beautiful flight attendants.]

BOONE: Forget it. He's helping himself.
[Locke sees Kate and Sawyer, very chummy in line. He sees Jack going through a metal detector, and getting wanded by Ben. Locke starts waving his arm frantically.]

BOONE: There's nothing you can do for them. Not yet. First you have to clean up your own mess.


bring the family back together

could this part literally mean family? if claire turns out to be jacks half sister, then this could have more significant then we first thought.

Or, could it mean that danielle and alex are going to be reunited this season?

Not them, they'll be fine -- for a while.

we know that desmond told charlie he was going to die -- could this be what boone meant?

He's helping himself.

This was shown before desmond displayed his future seeing abilities.

There's nothing you can do for them. Not yet.

we saw that kate and sawyer got away by themselves, and jack was left behind. we also saw that locke didnt help either of them to get away. could this mean that locke will play an important role when it comes to rescuing jack?

just a few theories there. what do you guys think?

I agree on the secondary importance of the portrayals, but I'm sure most of this will be cleared up before May. Nice visual style to the dream though!:biggrin:

When season 3 is all said and done I'm going to rewatch the dream sequence and see if it all fits in.

Rereading the details of Locke's dream agian got me thinking....

Is there any significance to how the people appeared in Locke's dream? Like, why was Desmond seen as a pilot? Or why was Hurley seen as an attendent?

Where was Shannon? (Am I right to assume Shannon wasn't in the dream because she'd already died?) Then why Boone leading John around? (Other than Locke being somewhat responsible for his death?)

I do think it's significant that everyone in the dream was a passenger apart from Desmond, Hurley and Ben. Desmond and Ben are obvious, but why Hurley?

Just makes me think that there is, or there will be, more to old Hugo than meets the eye.:rolleyes:

I do think it's significant that everyone in the dream was a passenger apart from Desmond, Hurley and Ben. Desmond and Ben are obvious, but why Hurley?

Just makes me think that there is, or there will be, more to old Hugo than meets the eye.:rolleyes:

I was watching the episode today and had a similar thought, not sarcastically. Desmond is helping himself, willing to sacrifice charlie for penny. Now I've always thought Hurley was Important, but seeing him as Ticket Taker suggests that he may be part of the conspiracy, also in numbers why would he have rushed so quickly to get on his plane, yeah it was his mothers birthday but could he have called and told her he was going to miss it, and taken a later flight, unless he had to be on the plane to get back to his Island.

I just think Hurley was rushing, I'd be rushing too, I would hate to miss my plane. Especially if I had to be back for my mom's birthday or something like that. I just think that Hurley was meant to be on the plane, but don't think he is part of any conspiracy.

I just think Hurley was rushing, I'd be rushing too, I would hate to miss my plane. Especially if I had to be back for my mom's birthday or something like that. I just think that Hurley was meant to be on the plane, but don't think he is part of any conspiracy.
I don't think Hurley's part of a conspiracy, but I do think that they deliberately set him apart from the other Losties in Locke's vision, and there must be a reason for that.

Hurley is the one with the strongest connection to the numbers too. Maybe that has something to do with it? I always think it's interesting that when he was running for the plane, the numbers were actively working against him to prevent him from catching the flight. Perhaps he wasn't meant to be on the plane in the first place?

I agree that Hurley is not in on some conspiracy. To me, Hurley is kind of the wildcard of the passengers. From what we have seen of their histories, all of the survivors have sone things in their past that was bad. Hurley stands out alone in this. Based on what we know:

Kate-murderer
Sawyer-murderer/ con man
Sayid-torturer
Charlie-thief, heroin addict
Locke-drug grower
Sun-adulterer
Jin-henchman

Jack and Claire are not included in this, I can't really think of anything that strong against them. But I think that that is going to be explained at a different time and it has to do with them being siblings.

Hurley is different than the rest of them. He always has been. If the crash was staged, and I say if with a lot of skepticism, but if we find out that it was all planned, then I would say that Hurley was not supposed to be on the plane.

Fortunately
I have heard that Hurley is going to become one of the more prominent characters by the end of the season
so maybe we will be able to find out more about what sets Hurley apart in Locke's dream.

BOONE: There's nothing you can do for them. Not yet. First you have to clean up your own mess.

bring the family back together


I'm paraphrasing here, but when Ben wants Locke to kill his father and Locke can't do it, before Ben and company move out to camp elsewhere, leaving Locke & his father behind, doesn't he tell Locke "He's your mess John, why would we clean it up?" There must be some significance in the two lines spoken from Ben and "Boone" being so similar.

shastasheene-
Good point iv'e never noticed the repetition of that well spotted, there's a lot of that in Lost thing's linked etc, what makes it so great.

Also i'm pretty sure Hurley is going to be a big part of the next season, you know when you can just feel it, i mean why did Ben pick Hurley to take the message back, no offence to Hurley but shouldn't he have chosen some-one more fit so they could run back faster therefore gettin the message back faster and making sure no-one goes looking for them?

Finally all i have to say if i thought Locke's 'sweat lodge' was wicked and the dream/vision was a small peice of art of the parts of TPTB, and the polarbear bit at the end when Locke leave the tent made me jump out of my skin.

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It felt like Locke was seeing the future - like they were getting off the island and had been rescued and now were waiting to fly further somewhere.
(Charlie, Claire and the baby together, Kate and Sawyer - and at that time they hadn't slept together)
Of course, the real future was somewhat different, but isn't it always when we're talking about "dreams".

I never felt it was a vision of the future off the island. It was actually showing Locke what was going on in the present. Jack,Kate and Sawyer were in danger, but he had to find Eko, who was also in need. The only futuristic aspect was that Boone told Locke Claire, Charlie and Aaron were okay for now. Obviously, Charlie's life was in danger later, as was Claire's, when she nearly drowned.

I think that dreams or visions in lost are important.

I think that's an understatement, Hakwam. ;) But, would you care to elaborate?

Great avie. :24:

*laughs*

Hurley as the ticket person, hmmm.... At the time I thought it just meant that Hurley was on his own at the moment (going back to the beach) & he was the one putting the numbers in the computer because of his strong connection to the numbers... Hmm... I don't know what to think now. :confused:

I read somewhere that Jack taking off his watch hinted that maybe "time doesn't matter on a damn island." :confused:

I read somewhere that Jack taking off his watch hinted that maybe "time doesn't matter on a damn island." :confused:


I like this idea a lot. Especially since that's exactly what Michael said in House of the Rising Sun.

Actually time did matter when they were putting in the numbers. :D But that's what the counter was for. I'm actually kinda surprised Locke wears a watch...

I always thought the show's strength was that it let its characters's nature run their course. Locke's nature is to believe that he is a channel to the spirit of the island. The images in his dream that had nothing to do with his agenda at the time, which was helping Eko, were just the voices of other people telling Locke he's crazy. But writers will play tricks with you.

I've looked at dreams and visions as a way that the island is trying to communicate with various people. Locke and Eko were both looking "outside" themselves; Locke with his mysticism, and Eko with his spirituality. They were receptive to the receiving of dreams and visions. To others, the island may be creating the apparitions and things that are out-of-place, that shouldn't be there.

I've looked at dreams and visions as a way that the island is trying to communicate with various people. Locke and Eko were both looking "outside" themselves; Locke with his mysticism, and Eko with his spirituality. They were receptive to the receiving of dreams and visions. To others, the island may be creating the apparitions and things that are out-of-place, that shouldn't be there.
Eko and Locke have these dreams because they belive in the island, that it's trying to communicate, so it can talk to them more clearly through dreams. I can't see any other lostie follow a dream the way Locke and Eko did. That's why the they only have visions, because they would belive in something more consistent like that.

Do you really think Eko believed in the island the same as Locke? He was a very religious man, I wonder if he was more inclined to think it was God sending him a message. Either way, their visions were very significant.

I don't think either Locke or Eko understood what the island really is. (Does anyone?) Both were doing the right thing, though maybe for the wrong reason. But since they were doing the right thing, mainly by being receptive and searching, the island was able to work with that and communicate. I think that the apparitions and the misplaced objects were also things created by the island, and lots of people were able to experience them, because they were physical. But while Eko, in his more advanced communication, was able to converse with the apparition of Yemi, and Locke was able to converse with the apparition of the older Walt, Jack could not communicate with the apparition of his father, and since Kate's horse apparition had no way of speaking, she and Sawyer couldn't communicate with it, either.

I had to laugh at this, wesb. Are you sure the horse couldn't talk? Maybe Mister Ed is its brother. :D

Anyway, I don't think Locke understands the island completely, but I do think he can appreciate the special powers it holds. And both he and Eko certainly do seem to be receptive of its powers.

You're right, Eko did think it was God talking to him. What I tried to say, is that the island used his belief in order to make him do things.

That makes sense, Bicbic.

Eko talk to god trough the 23rd psalm.

You're right, Eko did think it was God talking to him. What I tried to say, is that the island used his belief in order to make him do things.

I think the island is trying to get whoever will "listen" to do things. Some are more receptive than others, or are doing the right things, though perhaps for different reasons. At this point, we don't know what the island "wants," but I think that it that it is trying to communicate.

"Kate's Horse" was actually just a horse, you think there is only one black horse in the world, the others have horses we've seen them isn't it way more likely the horse is in fact a horse.

But Kate saw the horse off-island too.

But Kate saw the horse off-island too.

And you believe there is only 1 black horse in the world, if it was her mother or tom, I'd say sure it's a vision but it was a horse which she touched, and which Sawyer saw that has not happened before, somebody else seeing a vision therefore it was not a vision just a horse, this is the last i'm going to say about the horse the resembles the Kate saw off the island, I've asked Gregg about it and will come back when he responds and link to his answer. It's just a horse.

Like Sayid's cat. It wasn't a vision, just a cat that looked like the one he knew years ago.