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thefill
03-22-2007, 12:05 AM
I was thinking about this and wondering if this could be a valid theory of people brought to the island, or atleast a running theme.

Ben needed a spinal surgeon, the next day one fell out of the sky.

Juliet said the only way she would go work for mittelos was if her husband got hit by the bus, then that happened.

Claire wished her mom to be dead, then she got in a wreck.

Ben wanted Jack to be stopped from leaving the island, then that happened.

They all predicted, or got what they wanted. Weird Connections

LostLaura
03-22-2007, 12:07 AM
That's definitely a possibility. I think that is definitely one of the options that TPTB want us to think of. The problem is that there are so many other possibilities (and so many other examples of people wishing for things to happen and then they do.) This could be explained by the "box" but I just have no idea.

Is the "box" the island itself? Must find that thread....

pacejunkie
03-22-2007, 12:49 AM
The magic box idea actually made me think of many things we'd seen. Hurley wanted food and it fell from the sky. Charlie craved heroin and he found a plane full of it. Walt imagined polar bears after reading his comic book. Hurley believed he could start the van and he did. A lot of people seem to be able to tap into the mystical powers of the island.

Could this possibly be the way that Charlie can save himself? Maybe he has to believe.

Clochard
03-22-2007, 12:52 AM
The magic box idea actually made me think of many things we'd seen. Hurley wanted food and it fell from the sky. Charlie craved heroin and he found a plane full of it. Walt imagined polar bears after reading his comic book. Hurley believed he could start the van and he did. A lot of people seem to be able to tap into the mystical powers of the island.

Could this possibly be the way that Charlie can save himself? Maybe he has to believe.


Keep in mind that Tom made a reference to the polar bears - so these "predictions" or "desires" by people don't affect just them, and don't happen right away.
Even if Walt read that comic on day one, they had the bears before that.
However, he may have been instrumental in their escape?

pacejunkie
03-22-2007, 01:06 AM
Keep in mind that Tom made a reference to the polar bears - so these "predictions" or "desires" by people don't affect just them, and don't happen right away.
Even if Walt read that comic on day one, they had the bears before that.
However, he may have been instrumental in their escape?

I'm not so sure about how real those polar bears always are. I believe they were a 100% manifestation in both Special and Further Instructions, conjured up by both Walt and Locke. This episode now seems to "bear" that out as we see Ben acknowledging that Locke has a unique ability to tap into the island's powers.

The polar bear in FI only appeared after Locke said "polar bear" when prompted by Charlie. Then it disappeared the second Hurley appeared and yet Hurley didn't hear it at all. It also seemed that Charlie didn't hear anything right outside the cave when Locke was fighting a bear inside.

The point is that once the things are conjured, they become very real. They may have existed before as well, but reappear when someone thinks about them. The Nigerian plane was on the island for years, like the bears, but when Charlie was craving his heroin he found it. He likely would not have found it otherwise.

I think we've seen many examples of islanders tapping into the island's powers without realizing they were doing it.

Another Other
03-22-2007, 04:32 AM
Exactly. Sun's pregnancy could be her (or Jin's) wish for a child, especially since she's been taking care of Aaron lately. Rose probably wished to be cancer-free. Locke would have been wishing he could move while he was stuck in the middle of the plane's wreckage after the crash. It almost sounds like they landed on a giant genie's lamp complete with a smoky deity.

engulfthemanatee
03-22-2007, 05:06 AM
I bet Damon and Carlton are reading this right now thinking, "FINALLY they're starting to catch on!" I mean really, all of these possible "hints" are starting to make some sense now.

ForgivenTheWarlord
03-22-2007, 05:39 AM
Could this possibly be the way that Charlie can save himself? Maybe he has to believe.

I think that very well may be the case.

Tommy
03-22-2007, 05:52 AM
"I want you to want to save my life"
that makes more since now...i wonder if all that free will stuff was just to throw us off.
you dont need free will if youve got a magic box that grants wishes so to speak do you?
Correct me if im wrong but didnt ana-lucia wish she was dead in an episode from season 2?

kevn
03-22-2007, 06:20 AM
The magic box idea actually made me think of many things we'd seen. Hurley wanted food and it fell from the sky. Charlie craved heroin and he found a plane full of it. Walt imagined polar bears after reading his comic book. Hurley believed he could start the van and he did. A lot of people seem to be able to tap into the mystical powers of the island.

Hurley didn't want the food. And in my opinion Charlie would have preferred there not been heroin on the island, considering he ended up tossing it out. And I'm not convinced Walt did any conjuring of any polar bears...

MrFancypants
03-22-2007, 06:26 AM
So, this is all just a really twisted version of Fantasy Island?


Look, boss, de plane, de plane!

** crash **

RodimusBen
03-22-2007, 07:11 AM
I'm not so sure about how real those polar bears always are. I believe they were a 100% manifestation in both Special and Further Instructions, conjured up by both Walt and Locke. This episode now seems to "bear" that out as we see Ben acknowledging that Locke has a unique ability to tap into the island's powers.
Maybe the wishes are not constrained by time and space. ;)

In other words, perhaps the polar bears were on the island before Walt was simply because of the fact that someday, he would be on the island reading that comic book.

piscescat
03-22-2007, 07:19 AM
It's an intriguing idea, but can it be explained scientifically as TPTB have said again and again about the mystery of the island? Even if it's not, I love the idea of the "magic box."

pacejunkie
03-22-2007, 07:33 AM
"I want you to want to save my life"
that makes more since now...i wonder if all that free will stuff was just to throw us off.
you dont need free will if youve got a magic box that grants wishes so to speak do you?
Correct me if im wrong but didnt ana-lucia wish she was dead in an episode from season 2?

She said "I feel dead".

But now I understand why Ben said that! He needed Jack to want to do it so that Ben would survive the operation. Ben believes only when you want something to happen on the island will it happen that way. Despite Jack's skill, if he was performing the operation but deep inside wishing for Ben's death, Ben would have died. It was Jack's true intention that would guide the outcome. He had to change Jack's perspective first, he couldn't just force him to do it. Wow, this is all making sense now.

That must be how Jack brought Charlie back from the hanging death. Kate had given up and Charlie was dead, but Jack refused to believe it, and he came back.

Maybe there's hope for Charlie after all if Claire refuses to give up on him.

Hurley didn't want the food. And in my opinion Charlie would have preferred there not been heroin on the island, considering he ended up tossing it out. And I'm not convinced Walt did any conjuring of any polar bears...

But they did. What I would call their evil inclinations did, their deeper baser instincts that went against their better natures. Hurley was a food addict and Charlie despite his good intentions, was only weeks out of heroin withdrawal. They really did want those things, even if they knew it was wrong.

lostfan80
03-22-2007, 03:21 PM
Has anyone else noticed that Locke worked for a "box" company and Desmond always calls him "box man"?

Laurieg
03-22-2007, 03:28 PM
It's coming down to "Becareful what you wish for"

Snost_and_Lost
03-22-2007, 03:39 PM
Even if the island is a huge genie's lamp, that doesn't explain the connections and wishes granted OFF the island. ie juliet and the bus, claire and her mom dying, etc.

Eight
03-22-2007, 03:42 PM
I believe that it's the Law of Attraction on steroids, at least in the case of the island. The island is alive and it's spirit is smokey. And smokey grants the will of those IT deems worthy. At least that's the theory I've been going with until something changes my mind. So far it holds up pretty well.

imfromthepast
03-22-2007, 03:48 PM
So this sin't Micheal Critchon's Prey after all, it's Sphere.

Fiver
03-22-2007, 03:50 PM
I'm wondering if the Others don't allow people except those on the list into their midst because of the "box." We know from Mikhail that anger and fear exclude people - and that people like Locke can manifest things like an ex-con man. Charlie may have manifested the heroin, Walt the bears, etc. Smokey patrols the island, probes people's minds and offs people. Recall that it didn't kill Eko when he said he wasn't afraid. Maybe Smokey protects citizens of the island by dispensing with people who might manifest horrible things.

dmchez
03-22-2007, 04:45 PM
Hi, So has everyone on the island gotten something they wanted? If the theory is true could it be that Locke's dad is there because Sawyer ..(theory not really a spoiler)wanted to see the real sawyer! I don't think Locke wanted him there. It had to be the desire of Sawyer to finally get revenge. Another example of someone getting something the wanted was Kate finding that toy airplane. Claire giving away her baby(In the begining she wanted to give it away). Desmond and the wiskey. Hurley and the pingpong table. Sun and her weding ring. Rose willing her husband to be alive. Eko finding his brother. I could go on. What a great theory!!