So... the question is: Who is this new Locke's friend?* (I hope I got his name right, if not please correct me)

He appeared only once in the last episode, but I bet we'll see more of him.* Any guesses and theories?

I think there were two new male characters introduced this week.

1 Ethan, who was hunting varmints with Locke. He creeps me out. There's speculation he's Alex.

2 Sullivan (Larry, I believe), who is possibly a hypochondriac, possibly the first visible victim of Island Fever. He was the one who asked if he could play (first come up complaining, then perked up and asked if he could play). So far he's comic relief.

I'm glad you cleared me out on this b/c somehow I confused them with each other.

I wanted to talk about the hunter in this topic b/c as you said, the hypochondric is nothing more than a comic relief.

I personally don't think Ethan is Alex.* I did read all those speculations on the matter but somehow it doesn't seem logical, missing some threads.

Who's Ethan? I don't remember what he looks like... hmm

They showed him only once in the "Solitary" with Locke, but he'll surely be back.

Tracker said that Sullivan's name was Larry...Well on ABC's Lost site- the diary pages say that Larry keeps hitting on her (Shannon probably). Do you think Larry could be a creep?

Stephanie

Ethan is Tom Cruise's cousin if this interests anr person.

And to correct you even further, Ethan was shown twice during the episode. Once when Locke came back with Ethan from hunting. And Ethan was also at the golf game.

Also...Shannon's not the diary-writer...as long as she doesn't have multiple personality disorder...but regardless, too many things she (the writer) doesn't know that Shannon would (see other posts on the diary)

but I do think that it's odd we meet Ethan and hear of Alex in the same eppy, but...is that just to throw us off??? Damn those writers! :lol2:

Happy Turkey Day!
kaidy :turkey:

They probably want us to think Ethan is Alex..too obvious for me. I'm going to go with Ethan not being Alex either..but I do however think we will see Ethan in the future. He's there and shown to us for some reason! :)

Didn't you think it was Ethan who took Claire and Charlie?* He freaks me out!* He didn't look natural.* Something about him reminds me of a robot! :o

Yeah, I know that JJ is probably just trying to mislead us into thinking Ethan is evil but nothing within me trusts him. He just doesn't feel right, and obviously none of the characters get the best vibes off of him either.

You know that if you play around with the name "Ethan Rom" it spells "Other Man"....Interesting, don't you think

This was brought up on another website, I found it very interesting indeed.

Ethan Rom can be The Roman
Ontario (where he said he's from) can be Oration

There is an ancient script called the Roman Oration......wonder what it says? hmmmm...

is this coincidence?

BOy this show is making me nuts!!
I noticed something odd when I looked at Ethan. He appeared two weeks back with Locke hunting boar, right? Doesnt he kinda look like what Locke might have looked like when he was younger? Could Locke have conjured up the "younger him" out there on one of his hunts? LOL I am getting batty watching.....

What's funny is that I'm on this board with a CSI rerun in the background, I turn around to look at the TV and see...ETHAN! Well...William. Freaky. Ooooooooooooooooooooooo! :P

Oh my! And William was the bad guy in that episode of CSI too. :fear2: He plays a good psycho! :fear3:

Yeah, I know that JJ is probably just trying to mislead us into thinking Ethan is evil but nothing within me trusts him. He just doesn't feel right, and obviously none of the characters get the best vibes off of him either.
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Well we know now that Ethan truly is evil.* Or at least one of The Others.

Do we really know that Ethan is evil??? Does anyone think that maybe Ethan could be protecting Clair and the baby? Maybe there is some sort of virus that passes from person to person and he wants to make sure the baby does not get it. It would be too easy to make Ethan an "Evil Other". We don't know how many other groups that are on the island. Maybe Ethan thinks there is someone evil who is with the survivors. I can't wait to see what happens next...............I can't believe we have to wait.

Do we really know that Ethan is evil???..................Maybe Ethan thinks there is someone evil who is with the survivors.*

Yes thats the reason, because I refuse to believe that he is truely Evil, there is something going that is screwing people visions of each other - well Im going with that theory.

I love my Ethan mmmmmmmmmm

I love my Ethan mmmmmmmmmm


Ummm...ok...u LOVE??? Ethan????
Frightening!

Ummm...ok...u LOVE??? Ethan????
Frightening!


not frightening - WONDERFUL :sweety: MMMMMM so sexy

not frightening - WONDERFUL :sweety: MMMMMM so sexy


*giggles* You're frightening the natives, J...we talked about that, remember? :lol2:

*giggles** You're frightening the natives, J...we talked about that, remember?* *:lol2:


aaaahhh DANG!!!! but I must make them see that my Ethan, my own, my love, my Precious, will unleash his...eeerrr...power of goodness to all that believe. hhhmmmm :vampire:

aaaahhh DANG!!!! but I must make them see that my Ethan, my own, my love, my Precious, will unleash his...eeerrr...power of goodness to all that believe. hhhmmmm :vampire:


Maybe he's just being possessed. He started out being pretty good...then just snapped & went all crazy-evyl. Maybe the Island Made Him Do It!!! :o

Ethans alright in my book, I was getting tired of Jacks hero/ martyr complex. He needed some sense knocked into him.

Ethans alright in my book, I was getting tired of Jacks hero/ martyr complex.* *He needed some sense knocked into him.


THANK YOU!!!!!! - now when will others see this :laugh:

THANK YOU!!!!!! - now when will others see this :laugh:


No problem, Ethan is my second favorite character on the show after Locke. I doubt he is the obvious villain most of the fans think he is.

It seems that in Charlie's next flashback episode, we find out why Ethan wanted Claire's child.

Do we know if William will be in any more esp.? I looked and can't seem to find any info on it.

Do we know if William will be in any more esp.?* I looked and can't seem to find any info on it.


:-[

.....there are no "Guest" list for the 3 episodes after 'SPECIAL' - so who knows, and the themes of those 3 don't seem to indicate that he will be on them - But you never know. I thinking he'll turn up towards the last quarter of the season.

mmmm I miss my William......................

Okay, now we (at least, those of us who watched the Solitary rerun, as well as the Homecoming promo clip at the end) have seen Ethan's return.* His shirt is DEFINITELY a different color now from the one we saw him wear in Solitary (an episode in which he was not AT ALL creepy, except for his suggestion that the survivors start eating rodents).* The thing that most got my man-panties in a bunch watching the clip though was Boone/Locke at the beginning "Is he out there?"..."I hope not."* It is very unsettling to see Captain Creepy John Locke out-creeped by anyone.

EDIT: Okay, I am lazy, so I spoiler tagged the whole thing ha ha. ;D

Yeah, it gave me the creeps too. Locke worrying about Ethan sends chills up my spine. He's definately wicked. What I don't know is if that scene they show with Charlie and Ethan is new or a flashback from when they are kidnapped. He had scratches all over his face in the new preview. I don't know what those are from. Maybe when Claire escapes. I'm so confused! I can't wait until the new epi.

My theory is there are two or more "Ethans". He is wearing a light colored shirt at the golf event and when he abducts Claire, then he is wearing a dark shirt when he beats up Jack. There wasn't enough time to change. Maybe the Ethan in the camp was the slightly more friendly or well-adjusted one, sent to spy on them, and that's why Locke didn't notice anything strange about him. The one in the dark shirt is the more violent one. I wondered why Ethan was watching the golf game when Claire was back at the caves by herself. Maybe he didn't abduct Claire during the golf game because he was waiting for the other one to show up. There's no way he could have abducted both of them by himself. Even if he knocked Charlie out during a struggle, he couldn't have drug Charlie and had a hold of Claire at the same time.


The writers have said that clothes give clues to the show. They probably were put in light and dark shirts for a reason, since so many things in the show revolve around light and dark.

>:( >:( ETHAN MUST DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:(

My theory is there are two or more "Ethans". He is wearing a light colored shirt at the golf event and when he abducts Claire, then he is wearing a dark shirt when he beats up Jack. There wasn't enough time to change. Maybe the Ethan in the camp was the slightly more friendly or well-adjusted one, sent to spy on them, and that's why Locke didn't notice anything strange about him. The one in the dark shirt is the more violent one. I wondered why Ethan was watching the golf game when Claire was back at the caves by herself. Maybe he didn't abduct Claire during the golf game because he was waiting for the other one to show up. There's no way he could have abducted both of them by himself. Even if he knocked Charlie out during a struggle, he couldn't have drug Charlie and had a hold of Claire at the same time.


The writers have said that clothes give clues to the show. They probably were put in light and dark shirts for a reason, since so many things in the show revolve around light and dark.



Far out...an army of Ethan clones!

I doubt it...but that *would* be interesting...

No way. I didn't think of that. Maybe they are all "Ethan".....the others that is. :o

yeah the MANY face of ETHAN - cant wait to find out

Off topic here but..... I watched The Grudge for the first time last night & Lo & behold!!! There was Ethan! ;D I had no idea he was in that movie :P

yes isn't William wonderful in it - I was hoping that he'd be in more of it but never mind I've bought it anyway :-*

I watched the Grudge last night and I had turned my head to talk to my sister, when my husband said, "Ethan Rom! That guy is Ethan Rom!" Sure enough, there he was! I almost felt sorry for him. Almost.

Maybe they are all "Ethan".....the others that is. :o


Thank you, thank you... and thank you! :D :D :D

:: wordplay can form such *silly* parallels ::
:: one should not drink juice with silly parallels ::
:: puts the juice glass *carefully awyay and keels over laughing ::

Ok, throwing an alternate theory out here....

Ethan WASN'T one of the "others" or Alex, as some have thought.

I bet, in a future flashback, we are going to find out that Ethan WORKED with the Psychic that Claire went to visit.

It all makes sense when you think about it...the Psychic tells Claire that she MUST keep this baby and she MUST raise it. He buys her a ticket to go somewhere, and than secretly hires someone to watch/guard/stalk her, Ethan.

Ethan (former Special Forces perhaps?) than decides that no help is coming, so he'll take Claire away from the group, and make sure she raises the child.

Ethan KNOWING that Claire must raise the child (or the world will end?) would obviously stop at nothing to get her back, which also explains why he left the survivors alone once he got her.

Who knows, maybe the Psychic "saw" that the flight would crash, hired Ethan and told him what to expect.

Anyways, just some alternate ideas...


As for the scratches, I bet Vincent did it, maybe we'll have a Vincent flashback (ala As I Lay Dying, a horrible book).

I just responded to your theory strix (before you moved it) in the why do you think Ethan would have talked thread. I'm not going to remove it and if people don't know what I'm talking about, they will just ignore it :laugh:

From the Futon Critic site:

THRESHOLD (CBS) - William Mapother ("Lost") has joined the cast of the drama pilot in a recurring role. He'll play Gunneson in the Paramount Network Television/Heyday Films-based project, which tracks a team investigating a potentially hostile alien spaceship. Carla Gugino, Charles S. Dutton, Brent Spiner and Robert Patrick Benedict also star in the pilot, which comes from creator Bragi Schut and fellow executive producers David Heyman, Mark Rosen, Brannon Braga and David Goyer.


In other words, Ethan's got a new job and won't be available for season 2.

In other words, Ethan's got a new job and won't be available for season 2.


WOW Ok lets not get ahead of ourselves here* :laugh:

Threshold's status is "Pilot ON ORDER" for Sept 2005 - that means they have to make a Pilot* *1 show* it has not been picked up yet as a series - Yes this has been confirmed by the producers of the as-yet show in pre-production.

Secondly even if the show gets the green light, Mapother is listed as a "recurring role" which could mean anything from he needs to be there every week, to will only be needed once every 4 or so episodes i.e: available to fly to Hawaii for another role perhaps - what ever the case is - we don't know yet.

personally I don't think he'll be back either, but I wont be betting $$$ on it either - this is television ANYTHING could happen.* ;)

There was a spoiler posted at TelevisionWithoutPity.com a month or two ago that said JJ Abrams said in a radio interview that "William Mapother would be back, even though Ethan was "dead". I have absolutely no idea if there's any truth to it, and I haven't seen it spread around much...plus, the writers sometimes make plans for a plotline and then take another direction. But hey, on this show anything is possible!

My roommate and I have this weird theory that Ethan is a robot. I mean, look at the way he moves, his expressionless face, etc. What if, and hear me out here, what if the others are like a colony of Ethan robots, maybe even modelled after Alex by crazy French woman Danielle? I know, it sounds completely absurd, but what if?

My feeling is that we'll see him again....if only in a flashback. Who he is and how he got there should be addressed!

I agree! I think his flashback would be VERY intersting, especially in light of what we saw.

Okay, now we (at least, those of us who watched the Solitary rerun, as well as the Homecoming promo clip at the end) have seen Ethan's return. His shirt is DEFINITELY a different color now from the one we saw him wear in Solitary (an episode in which he was not AT ALL creepy, except for his suggestion that the survivors start eating rodents). The thing that most got my man-panties in a bunch watching the clip though was Boone/Locke at the beginning "Is he out there?"..."I hope not." It is very unsettling to see Captain Creepy John Locke out-creeped by anyone.


yay! ethan! and eating rodents..eww...

BTW- Jonah i dont think i have ever had the chance to say that someone is more obsessed with ethan than myself. bravo.

And whomever said ethan's clothes were darker when he fought Jack, its because it was in the rain. he got his shirt SOAKED. (which, dare i say, made him even SEXIER) the water made it appear darker, for the other times, i have no explanations.

My theory is there are two or more "Ethans". He is wearing a light colored shirt at the golf event and when he abducts Claire, then he is wearing a dark shirt when he beats up Jack. There wasn't enough time to change. Maybe the Ethan in the camp was the slightly more friendly or well-adjusted one, sent to spy on them, and that's why Locke didn't notice anything strange about him. The one in the dark shirt is the more violent one. I wondered why Ethan was watching the golf game when Claire was back at the caves by herself. Maybe he didn't abduct Claire during the golf game because he was waiting for the other one to show up. There's no way he could have abducted both of them by himself. Even if he knocked Charlie out during a struggle, he couldn't have drug Charlie and had a hold of Claire at the same time.


The writers have said that clothes give clues to the show. They probably were put in light and dark shirts for a reason, since so many things in the show revolve around light and dark.



Maybe Ethan has a twin. Or, if you looked into the Comic book, there was an alien. Possibly Ethan is Alex, and the alien created a clone, and the clone named himself, Ethan. Double the Ethan is Double the fun.

Ethan does look like a younger Locke! Creepy.

I think Ethan was actually up to good. I know he killed one of the surviviors because they didnt turn in claire, but maybe that is how bad he really needed her, maybe to protect her or to help her.

doesnt make a lot of sense, but its something different.

FYI for everyone
William Mapother finally got his own thread in the VIP section. And he's been pretty good at responding!
Go say hi.

I think Ethan was actually up to good.* I know he killed one of the surviviors because they didnt turn in claire, but maybe that is how bad he really needed her, maybe to protect her or to help her.


We don't know for sure that he killed one of the survivors. They never showed him admitting to it nor actually committing the act. For all we know, one of the survivors was killed by someone else on the island. One of 'The Others' maybe?

Marina

Did anybody else notice when Charlie and Hurly are going to bury Ethan you can see him breathing?! Maybe he's not really dead. :shocking:

Did anybody else notice when Charlie and Hurly are going to bury Ethan you can see him breathing?! Maybe he's not really dead. :shocking:


Yes, that's been a topic of great debate over in the spoiler theory section http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=12936.0.

I was watching Raised By Another and when Charlie is running to the caves to get jack he bumps into Ethan who runs of to "tell" Jack. Were do you suppose Ethan went? Did he just run off a couple feet into the jungle and watch as Charlie goes back to Claire? Or did he run off and tell "The Others" that Claire was going to give birth and get another person to help carry both Charlie and Claire away?
I am just thinking outloud. I know it's kind of a silly question tho lol

It's not silly at all. I wondered myself.
I find it difficult to think he went to get 'the others', that might be a long journey in that short of time. (unless he's the bionic man. :D )
But then again, Charlie kept saying 'they', not 'Ethan' when referring to his attack. Or alleged attack....... ;)

Yes, that's been a topic of great debate over in the spoiler theory section http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=12936.0.


Thanks. I haven't made it through all the topics yet. :-[ Still exploring and enjoying it all. :biggrin:

Thanks. I haven't made it through all the topics yet. :-[ Still exploring and enjoying it all. :biggrin:



It's an enormous board--making your way through all of the topics & threads is quite an undertaking! Better put on a pot of coffee. ;D

Some people are now saying that what looked like ethan breathing was the wind blowing his shirt

Some people are now saying that what looked like ethan breathing was the wind blowing his shirt


Certainly that's a theory, and I suppose it comes down to what each of us sees individually when we watch the scene...but personally I played it back a few times after I first heard about the "breathing" and it looked too rhythmic to be the wind. Also, the choice of camera angle--close-up over the body in the forefront, rather than having the body lying in the background--makes me wonder.

But I'll say again: the "powers that be" know we'll speculate everything to death on these boards, so it could be something (a mistake or a red herring) deliberately left in for chuckles.

The simple fact that Hurley was afraid Ethan was going to rise from the dead, I think might mean something, but not necessarily in a literal way.

The simple fact that Hurley was afraid Ethan was going to rise from the dead, I think might mean something, but not necessarily in a literal way.



"...and he catches me first, because I'm big...and I get cramps." :lol2:

OMG, that was the best line in the entire show! Priceless!!! It was worth having that scene just to hear Jorge deliver those lines. ;D

That was the best! :laugh:
I think that's what got this whole 'Ethan will be a zombie and eat everyone's brains' thing going......

That was the best! :laugh:
I think that's what got this whole 'Ethan will be a zombie and eat everyone's brains' thing going......


Well, he did say (in his first scene) how he thought everyone must be tired of eating boar meat. ;)

:lol2: :lol2:

But where did Ethan get his clothes? His shoes? I doubt they've got a little shoemaker in the jungle. Did he steal them off a body? Or are they not really on an island, as is suggested in the pilot?

Maybe Ethan was a survivor.

It was raining suitcases on the island the day the plane crashed...in fact the first time we saw Ethan he was dropping off salvaged luggage & golf clubs with Locke before they went hunting. I'm more curious about his nice clean shave and haircut. The shave he could've given himself if he found razors in the scattered luggage, but the hair? He had to have help to have cleaned up like that. I suspect Locke personally, who has been shaving himself with his knives since they landed.

but wouldn't they notice a naked Ethan running around? or are you suggesting he got hit in the head by a flying suitcase? ;)

The Monster cuts his hair with its razor-sharp fangs.

but wouldn't they notice a naked Ethan running around? or are you suggesting he got hit in the head by a flying suitcase? ;)

The Monster cuts his hair with its razor-sharp fangs.



Ethan scissorhands! :lol2:

What I meant was that Ethan could've changed out of whatever clothing he'd been wearing into modern clothes he'd found in the crash debris in order to blend in with the other Lostaways.

I know some people have already posted stuff like this, but I am not going to search for it all, because I'm sure it's not all already posted.

Ethan Rom
Anagrams for: "The Roman", "Other Man", "Hate norm", and "More Than". (I'll stop before I get to "E.T. No Harm")

1911 Novel by Edith Wharton - "Ethan Frome"... Take away the "Fe" (symbol for Iron) and you have our evil friend.

Ethan Frome- taciturn, extremely responsible, young man who marries an older woman because of fear of being alone, no social skills, shy and naive, martyr complex

.... per http://www.bellmore-merrick.k12.ny.us/ethanf.html

Not exactly our ethan, but, hey. I'm posting it anyway.

Ethan Rom
Anagrams for: "The Roman", "Other Man", "Hate norm", and "More Than". (I'll stop before I get to "E.T. No Harm")

1911 Novel by Edith Wharton - "Ethan Frome"... Take away the "Fe" (symbol for Iron) and you have our evil friend.

Ethan Frome- taciturn, extremely responsible, young man who marries an older woman because of fear of being alone, no social skills, shy and naive, martyr complex
Not exactly our ethan, but, hey. I'm posting it anyway.



If I recall my High School English correctly things didn't end happily for that Ethan either, due in large part to his fixation with another young woman. ;)

The Ethan Rom anagrams have been hashed over in many threads, but hey, if you want to reexamine that angle go for it.

After watching the sneak peek to Exodus 2, I'm completely convinced Ethan was a "good guy'" who had to use extreme measures, sense we find out it was Danielle, not Ethan, who was trying to steal Claire's baby.

One anagran I noticed from Ethan Rom was Mon earth.

Mon is an vowel prefix for mono.

In one definition, mon means alone, or one.

So I was thinking alone on the earth.

Something for the theorists that think the world has ended except for the island, or that the island "survivors" are in the middle of a God/devil Job kind of test. Just a thought. Especially since Old Doc was quoted as saying to Kate on the beach..... What happened beforethe crash doesn't matter. 3 days ago, we all died. Hmmmm.

William Mapother is in a new series starting in the fall. I would think that a hectic tv show schedule may put some wrenches in the works if they really wanted Ethan to rise from the dead.

"CBS' alien thriller Threshold — starring Karen Sisco's Carla Gugino and Tom Cruise's creepy cousin from Lost — "

William Mapother is in a new series starting in the fall. I would think that a hectic tv show schedule may put some wrenches in the works if they really wanted Ethan to rise from the dead.

"CBS' alien thriller Threshold — starring Karen Sisco's Carla Gugino and Tom Cruise's creepy cousin from Lost — "




William's role in "Threshold" is recurring, not regular. Depending on exactly which episodes he'll be in and when "Lost" might want him I'm sure they'd work something out.