I didn't really like the clunky introduction of Nikki and Paulo, and from what I gathered the pair were pretty unpopular with fans. Did Expose make you warm to them at all? I kinda liked them in the end..you?

Yeah, shockingly enough. I didn't like them at all before this episode but I ended up liking them both. I thought their back-story was really, really interesting and I actually found myself wanting to learn more about them. Too bad that probably won't happen now. :undecide:

Nope. Can't say that I liked them at all.

No, I don't really like them. Paolo was easy on the eyes, but that's about the most redeeming quality of the two. I wanted to like them, I really really did. I was ready to give them a chance, but I couldn't. :(

I never really had a feeling about them one way or another, I was always surprised by all the hate towards their characters. How could so much anger develope about two characters that had maybe a total of 10 lines???

No.what was to like? They seemed pretty non-essential to me. Sort of like "filler" material that looked good on paper in the beginning and fell flat when realitly set in.

nope, they were thieves and murderers and although it was interesting to see how their backstory slotted in with the losties story, i felt it never moved the series on one bit. unless there was a huge dharma connection i've missed...

for a minute at the end i thought that sawyer and hurley were going to twig, what a relief they didn't. lets hope that's the end of them.

Didn't like Nikki at all. Didn't feel one bit sorry for her, however even though Paolo killed an old man to rob him, I did feel sorry for him towards the end. I still don't like him but did feel sympathy for him.

I liked them. I enjoyed their story even though they weren't the nicest people - not that the rest of the losties are saints. :rolleyes:
I would have liked one of them to stay around for a couple more episodes, but I don't know if anyone could survive being buried alive. How could you not love a death like that? I thought they had a good episode.

Not. At. All.

This felt like a total Mary Sue episode. How can you feel anything about a pair of murderers and theives who will even lie to each other?

This is the first time I've ever watched the clock to see when the heck a lame episode was going to end. TPTB stated in a podcast that we would like N&P after this episode. I was willing to give them a chance. Im so disappointed.

I truly felt for Paulo at the end. He was a changed man. I believe that he was strongly influenced by Nikki throughout the murder plot. He seemed like pretty decent guy, it kinda touched me when he made his final statement of love to Nikki.... That being said, I don't think they deserved their own episode, scene or cut even. BURY THEM ALIVE!!!

I didn't like them before and I like them even less now.
Personally I hope they stay buried. ;)

Liked the episode - still didn't like them. Really didn't have any redeeming qualities at all. I always hated them simply for taking time away from storylines I wanted to know more about. The cool thing about this episode was all the random connections - going to have to rewatch season one and see how they pasted them in.

They've annoyed me from the begining and they annoyed me till their death. Goodbye Poochie.

No, I didn't like them at the end, but I did feel sorry for them--what a horrible way to die.

I felt kind of bad for Paolo at the end. I guess I went from ambivalence towards those two to tolerance. I think that there could have been potential with the characters, but they were never allowed to develop.

I liked Paulo. And I felt bad for him in the end. And he was hot. And Rodrigo is awesome.

But... Nikki. I hated her. Glad she's gone. Good riddance. And Kiele sucked.

YES I liked them from the start. I was extremely worried last night when they got burried. If they are dead I feel it is a huge mistake. it shows a lack of faith (on the producers part); in their characters and how they give in to fan reactions. Not everyone hated them, and I like them all the more because of their backstory. most humane people were wanting them to wake up before they were burried alive last night...

im quite neutral on them. i don't hate them despite their clunky entrance to the story but it was definately cool how they inserted them in the scenes from previous seasons. also thought it quite cool that pikki found the pearl hatch before any of the other losties and never mentioned it at all. im ok with them being dead. they fulfilled their limited purpose (for now possbly barring digging themselves out) and now we can move on to more interesting things.

Well I didn't really LIKE Nikki...I thought she was completely selfish...but I enjoyed her...if that makes any sense ;). It was a different kind of dislike that when she was just popping up to say stupid things. It was based on seeing her character fleshed out and disagreeing with her actions.

I really felt for Paulo. I thought it was kind of sad how he was trying so hard to hang onto Nikki...knowing she cared more about the diamonds than him

I think it's interesting that people are giving them such a hard time about being murderers and thieves. How many of our Losties are thieves and cons? How many of them have killed someone (at least Sawyer and Kate...and we know Sayid tortured the hell out of people). I think maybe if we knew more about the guy they killed we might cut them more slack...who knows?

But on THIS show muderer and robbery doesn't automatically an evil person make ;)

No and Im sorry it took a whole episode just to waste them off and what did we learn from this wasted episode ? that they crossed pathes with two other now dead people( Boone and his sister ) ? That have nothing to show us anymore either. I love lost but this had to be one of the worst epis of the entire 3 seasons. I mean with ethan and boone/sister , artz, etc. they could have shown us so much more in the episode. Unless it was putting the fact that the spiders were part of the island and the others use them for making people look dead and thats how Jacks daddy will be shown, faking his death because he is HIM ( leader of the pack ) but they could of used what, 15-20 minutes of the show to explain the spiders to us and put Paulo/Nikki out of OUR misery while they were at it. And if the spiders are that bad and that close to the beach camp, why arent a few more people already buried alive, someone would have been bit by now right? And the big reveal to sun about charlie/sawyer kidnapping her, well if she isnt gonna tell Jin, wheres the fun in that ? And now Sawyer is a bad guy in the eyes of Hugo, Sun , and Desmond. Just when you thought he was feeling the love and would open up a be more of a team player, you gotta kick poor James back down the ladder again. Man he just wants a friend.
again just My own opinion.

Not a ding at you, spanks, but really, what does it matter? I'm just SO disappointed with the way these two characters were handled. When it was announced that Sanchez and Santoro were being added to the cast, I was kind of excited. I think "TPTB" blew it big time. Really, at this point, who cares what anyone thinks about these characters? They were sloppily introduced, sloppily "developed" (if you can call it that), and sloppily disposed of. Total waste of talent and time.

(Again, no offense at this thread... just venting some annoyance with how these two played out. :) )

I didn't like them before the episode and I didn't like them after. In fact I'm totally loving that they're gone.

I think they were completely useless and unnecessary. I find it funny though how many "bad guys", murderers and grifters were on and survived the crash of flight 815.

They were OK, even though they were murderers and their greed killed them in the end.

Not a ding at you, spanks, but really, what does it matter? I'm just SO disappointed with the way these two characters were handled. When it was announced that Sanchez and Santoro were being added to the cast, I was kind of excited. I think "TPTB" blew it big time. Really, at this point, who cares what anyone thinks about these characters? They were sloppily introduced, sloppily "developed" (if you can call it that), and sloppily disposed of. Total waste of talent and time.

(Again, no offense at this thread... just venting some annoyance with how these two played out. :) )

I agree that it was a waste, it's a shame really. Ok, there were complaints - but after this episode I think they would have been a good addition. Nikki was quite badass which would have been great to watch, and Paulo was a good guy.

It was a shame that they didn't incorporate the pair of them to the overall Lost story

With this episode I actually grew to enjoy their dislike-ability, like, I didn't really feel any sympathy for them or anything, but I appreciated their quirks. Especially when their quirks were being buried alive haha.

I agree that it was a waste, it's a shame really. Ok, there were complaints - but after this episode I think they would have been a good addition. Nikki was quite badass which would have been great to watch, and Paulo was a good guy.

It was a shame that they didn't incorporate the pair of them to the overall Lost story
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people say they hated them even more after this episode. I actually didn't mind them. Sure, as people, they were a bit annoying, but as characters, they had some potential. I don't see why the writers have this need to "redeem" characters and then immediately kill them off. I also don't see why the writers have a need to "introduce" new characters only to have them appear in a negligible amount of scenes and then have them killed off. It's a tired and irritating device at this point.

Didn't like Nikki at all. Didn't feel one bit sorry for her, however even though Paolo killed an old man to rob him, I did feel sorry for him towards the end. I still don't like him but did feel sympathy for him.Yeah I really disliked both of them in the beginning, then after last night I learned to despise Nikki. I thought the scene after the crash with Paulo just staring out over the ocean was very powerful and it did give me a sense of empathy toward him, but Nikki was just a total B!!

Now that we know more about them, my general apathy towards Nikki and Paulo has turned into actual feelings, whether or not the feelings are positive or negative, this development was an improvement. So, for the record, I now hate Nikki (surpressing my urge to circumvent the language filter...) but I actually thought that in the end Paulo managed to redeem himself somewhat. In terms of his relationship with Nikki, he was obviously a sucker, but I thought this was kind of endearing. But I still can't get over him hiding his knowledge of The Others from the losties...

I was neutral to the Paolo and Nikki characters before, I am still neutral towards them now. :drowsy:

How were they redeemed?

Karma got them in the end.

I didn't like them in the beginning, and I still don't like them at all after 42 minutes devoted to them.
TPTB stated in a podcast that we would like N&P after this episode. I was willing to give them a chance. Im so disappointed. I don't see how we should be impressed with N&P after this episode. But I've learned not to listen to TPTB's hype so I don't feel disappointed.

I think it's interesting that people are giving them such a hard time about being murderers and thieves. How many of our Losties are thieves and cons? How many of them have killed someone (at least Sawyer and Kate...and we know Sayid tortured the hell out of people). I think maybe if we knew more about the guy they killed we might cut them more slack...who knows?

But on THIS show muderer and robbery doesn't automatically an evil person make ;) Exactly. Nearly all the Losties have some guilt on their hands. But Nikki & Paulo were not developed to show ANY redeeming qualities in their personalities. They continued to lie to and distrust each other, show greed for diamonds at times of real human crisis, and ultimately turn on each other. I can't believe Nikki would let a poisonous spider loose on Paulo.
Kate and Sawyer, to use other two examples of Losties with documentable murders in their past, were each shown from their first flashbacks to have mitigating qualities like remorse and compassion. Not so with N&P - they laughed and toasted champagne over the newspaper report of the director's death. Nikki asked about the diamonds after the crash almost before Paulo could finish saying "I'm OK." Sure, they did a few helpful things among the islanders, but overall were a shallow waste of time.

I guess I would say that I hated them as people, but liked them as characters.

I thought TPTB handled the arc of their character development really well.
It was clever to make us hate N&P, and then dispose of them in such a grisly way. Being buried alive has got to be the most nightmarish death.

I felt pretty much the same about them. I kinda liked Nikki but maybe a little less and still couldn't stand Paolo.

Nikki- :mad: :ranting::hissy::censored::rant:
Paulo- :cool:

Nope. Didn't like them when they first showed up and didn't care that they died.

I liked their story but as a whole of season 3 they were useless and not needed. They could have used this episode to clear up Libby's story or Danielle's etc.

nikki- not so much:frown: :frown:
paulo- i liked him. he seemed sincere.

I liked them before they did a back story on them. The whole revenge thing was plain silly. I didn't like how they used Nikki and Paulo in this episode. We didn't need to have an entire episode on just them and their revenge. The actress was lacking energy in her character and I felt sorry for Paulo for even being with Nikki! So sad!

Nope. I didn't like them at all. The more I knew about them, the less I cared. They were a couple of murdering thieves who cared more about diamonds (which were worthless on the island anyway) than the welfare of their fellow survivors.

They totally deserved to be buried alive.

I don't hate nikki and paulo as charactors, I just hate the fact that they got placed in the story for the only reason to kill them off. it's a cheap tv trick to use up a episode and I think the writers got caught trying to do it and they should know better. Fan's didn't enjoy it and this is why the show is or was going down hill. don't do stupied stuff like that and think your going to get away with it. thats what I am upset about.

I agree with workingmom, except I have a different perspective. I think they could have been great characters...if they were introduced towards the beginning of season 1. The fact that they were tossed in out of nowhere built up so much animosity towards them from the fans. I really liked their backstory. I was going to say they were the only survivors who committed cold-blooded murder; unlike Kate, who killed an abusive man, or Sawyer, who was seeking revenge for his families destruction. However, then I remembered Eko. Do you consider slitting the throats of fellow drug dealers cold-blooded murder? And I don't mean in the church when he's defending himself, I mean when he's negotiating the purchase of the heroin. Or is it different because they are drug dealers?

Even still, I think Nikki and Paolo's murder of the rich old man is the worst crime on the show so far. If only they had been around from the start, everyone probably would have loved them.

i loved the episode and was always shocked how people prejudged Nikki and Paulo before they'd been given a chance as actors or characters. i suppose they represented an easy target.
i thought they were really good in great episode and i am really surprised that many people were into it.

No. I didn't like them..check..despised them from the start and after Expose, I despise them even more.

Before I hated how they were randomly thrust into the story, I couldn't stand any of their dialog, they weren't part of the cast that I had grown to love. After the episode I found myself growing attached to them.

I'm really tired of all these shallow Lost fans never being satisfied with anything, seriously if you think the show is going downhill then stop watching it. I haven't seen one educated opinion so far that has bashed this show. It's always, " zomg niki and pulo wsted tim totly jpmed the shrk lolol."

Gah.

Nope, didn't like them a bit, glad they died (hope they stay dead!!)

She was a gold-digging, bad-acting hoe, he was a dumb-as-a-post, whiney and whipped man-hoe-what's to like??

They killed a nice old guy for his diamonds after he took them both into his home-lovely couple, got wht they deserved.

I only hope that although they were paralyzed, that they were still fully aware of their surroundings-it would make the buried alive thing that much cooler!!

I felt I understood them a little better after watching last night's episode but understanding them didn't make me like them more. (It was the same with Ana Lucia...)

I was indifferent to them before, but gained a bit of sympathy for Paolo by the end. It's like he knew the diamonds were going to be their down fall, too bad he was stupid enough to start chewing that gum again. He should have been getting over his nicotine withdrawl by then. Nikki, I went from indifferent to not liking her, onna counta her being a slutty, heartless murderer and all. I think he was remorseful about it, or at least knew that they were going to get a big karmic payback if they insisted on keeping the diamonds. He can come back as a zombie, but she needs to stay dead.

In a nutshell, NO, good ridance to bad rubbish. they were a total waste of time and effort.

Yeah, i liked them in the end - i was shocked when they were buried alive and i would have liked to see more of them... too bad it ain't going to happen.

At the end of the episode I despised Nikki more than ever, but Paulo was at least a little redeemable. I got the impression that he did what he did (poisoning the producer) because Nikki wanted him to. Nikki showed herself to be exactly what she was: horrible.

made me hate paolo even more...i mean the guy listened to ben and juliet talk about getting a doctor to do a surgery.....and the man says nothing.... made me hate him even more......but i felt sorry for him....he never wanted the money he wanted nikki....so sad

I'm among the huge (or not so big, but in that case - not very vocal) minority that didn't mind them from the start and liked how their story panned out here.

The biggest bummer as far as I'm concerned is that the writers didn't manage to flesh the characters out enough to make something more out of them - at least something that'd last for the whole season, as they certainly had potential, and I have actually been pretty surprised at all the negativity towards them.

A shame they ended up only contributing to the body count, but if I have any expectations for what this episode might end - then hopefully it will be all the whining from people who didn't like them for one reason or another :rolleyes:

made me hate paolo even more...i mean the guy listened to ben and juliet talk about getting a doctor to do a surgery.....and the man says nothing.... made me hate him even more......but i felt sorry for him....he never wanted the money he wanted nikki....so sad

Well, put yourself in his position. How does he explain that he knows anything about the Others or their plans? He'd have a lot of explaining to do.

No. Useless characters that did nothing redemptive or necessary. It was like the creators thought, "you know, they weren't such a good idea after all" and dumped w/o any effort.

Before, I disliked them. Now, I only dislike Nikki (though I am still interested in her story, while not minding if she's not going to be on the show anymore). She's kind of bossy and Paulo really doesn't deserve someone like her (he deserves someone better). He just seems way more interesting than her.