How would this be for a game changer - someone who appears dead really is not???
So who do we know that we have wondered what happened to him after he died in season 1?
Answer: Christian

This changes the game several ways.

If Christian was not dead at the morgue (just spider bit), then his appearance on the island in season 1 may mean he is really there on the island (Christian = Jacob?)
If he was there, how about Kate's horse, Sayid's cat, Hurley's Dave, AND COOPER. Maybe they are all real. Not smoke monster hallucinations. All a result of the long, and elaborate machinations of the Others to control things.

This would certainly change the entire game!!!!

YEP. and remember the girl in the "?" episode. She certainly had the same circumstances as Paulo and Nikki did. She appeared dead even to a doctor and woke up hours later just before they cut her open.

So a spider from the island was on australia? Interesting. And Jacks dad is alive.

YEP. and remember the girl in the "?" episode. She certainly had the same circumstances as Paulo and Nikki did. She appeared dead even to a doctor and woke up hours later just before they cut her open.

So a spider from the island was on australia? Interesting. And Jacks dad is alive.

I'm confused...what do you mean a spider from the island was in Australia? Didn't that girl drown?

Anyone here from Down Under? In the US people are required to be emblamed except for religious reasons. Since I don't think Jack and Papa were Jewish they would have made sure he was dead one way or the other. And wasn't it a few days between Jack getting there, finding dead dad and arranging for the return flight? Wouldn't pop wake up by then and start banging on the lid? Ewww.

Apparently they just thought she drown.

There is no reason that a person that drown would appear dead and then return to life. Unless you actually believe she was dead and came back to life.

I also believe that Christian had contact with the girls father (the psychic) because he is the one that paid the psychic to get Claire (Christians daughter) onto the plane. But that's just a theory.
100%
Anyone here from Down Under? In the US people are required to be emblamed except for religious reasons. Since I don't think Jack and Papa were Jewish they would have made sure he was dead one way or the other. And wasn't it a few days between Jack getting there, finding dead dad and arranging for the return flight? Wouldn't pop wake up by then and start banging on the lid? Ewww.

Jack wasn't sent there to return his fathers body he was sent there to find his father. So jack could've been on his way to australia before his father died. I'll have to rewatch those episodes to see what they actually say in regards to the timeline but I was under the impression that they were not going to do the whole embalming thing because he was going to be transported home and then they would do that part of it.

I'll have to rewatch those episodes to see what they actually say in regards to the timeline but I was under the impression that they were not going to do the whole embalming thing because he was going to be transported home and then they would do that part of it.
There was definitely a rush to get Christian's coffin on the plane but I don't remember the details. I have always believed that Christian and his wife had something to do with Dharma. I would not be surprised if he used a ruse like a spider bite to appear dead and manipulate Jack into getting on that flight. So, when Jack saw him running through the jungle, it may not have been an apparition.

Since I don't think Jack and Papa were Jewish Agreed. Jewish people don't name their children Christian.

Oh my god.
I hate you all.
I'm kidding, but this is really frustrating.

CHRISTIAN IS DEAD.
Why?
Because Darleton have stated that 1) Christian died and 2) Characters that have died stay dead.

STOP IT ALREADY!:biggrin:

Anyone here from Down Under? In the US people are required to be emblamed except for religious reasons. Since I don't think Jack and Papa were Jewish they would have made sure he was dead one way or the other. And wasn't it a few days between Jack getting there, finding dead dad and arranging for the return flight? Wouldn't pop wake up by then and start banging on the lid? Ewww.

Actually..no, I think Jack father might have died the same day Jack found him. Ana left Christian Sherpard it was early morning,and was returning home that very same day. When Ana left him,he was still alive. so since they wound up on the same plane, Christian was likely not dead for long. As a matter of fact,I think he might have fake his own death,considering that the Medical Examiner /Morgue guy, "Geoff Heise",who was feature in White Rabbit was also in the Pilot episode . Which means that the Medical Examiner was on the same flight as Jack.
Geoff Heise (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0374646/)

Which raise the question, could the reason Jack didn't have the proper paper, was because they were never filed?...because he wasn't truely dead.

I'll have to rewatch those episodes to see what they actually say in regards to the timeline but I was under the impression that they were not going to do the whole embalming thing because he was going to be transported home and then they would do that part of it.


I know that this is a TV show and there's artistic license in play and all, but I thought I'd throw personal experience into the mix. My father in law died a year ago and we opted to hold his funeral and burial in another state, where he was originally from. They did the embalming here before transporting him, and it was just a short 3 hour flight within the US.

I have no idea how they do things like that in Australia though, so maybe they wouldn't have? I guess I am still undecided as to whether or not he is alive. I do believe that his character will end up being a crucial piece of the story line, but I am not sure if I can buy that he is still alive. It wouldn't look good for Jack, being a prestigious doctor, not being able to tell that his father was alive. They did say that it would be hard even for a doctor to find vital signs, but they've blown Jack's medical talents up to a status above "just a doctor" in my opinion. I think Christian being alive would be a hard pill for me to swallow, but I will wait and see how it plays out I suppose.

I've yet to meet a person yet whose survived an autopsy :drowsy:

I've yet to meet a person yet whose survived an autopsy

If Jack didn't have the proper paper, and the morgue guy was on the plane, (very suspicious), are we sure that he actually did a autopsy?

A forensic autopsy is carried out when the cause of death may be a criminal matter, while a clinical or academic autopsy is performed to find the medical cause of death and is used in cases of unknown or uncertain death, or for research purposes. Autopsies can be further classified into cases where external examination suffices, and those where the body is dissected and an internal examination is conducted. Permission from next of kin may be required for internal autopsy in some cases.

Since Jack father died of what is consider natural causes, and not criminal , a full autopsy might not have been done. Embalming is done at the funeral home, not at the morgue.

Apparently they just thought she drown.

There is no reason that a person that drown would appear dead and then return to life. Unless you actually believe she was dead and came back to life.

It has happened in real life (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5085797/) (MSNBC article). A little boy, Logan Pinto, was believed to have drowned after being submerged for 30 minutes. He was declared legally dead, and as a nurse was beginning to prepare him for delivery to a funeral home, she noticed he was breathing! So yes, it does happen.
100%

Since Jack father died of what is consider natural causes, and not criminal , a full autopsy might not have been done. Embalming is done at the funeral home, not at the morgue.

An autopsy is generally done any time a cause of death is not immediately known. Christian was found in an alley in a bad part of town, most likely smelling of alcohol. It is not unreasonable that they would have done an autopsy to verify the cause of death. But it is an unknown. I still don't think such a flawed man as Christian Shepherd could possibly be Jacob.

Did everyone just completely ignore what I said?
The PRODUCERS of Lost said that he was dead.
None of you have any grounds for your claims.

Did everyone just completely ignore what I said?
The PRODUCERS of Lost said that he was dead.
None of you have any grounds for your claims.

I said it myself, though without the attribution to the producers, because I spent all morning looking for it and couldn't find it. Do you have a link to it? Lostpedia didn't have it, and Google was no use.

Thanks.

Medical Examiner: The police found him in an alley in Queens Cross. Now, a tox screen showed a blood alcohol content, which for a man of his size, probably brought on myocardial infarction - a sizable, and fatal heat-attack.

Jack: I want you to listen to me, okay. Because I'm asking you a favor, Chrissy. I'm standing in front of you in the same suit that I'm wearing to my father's funeral and I'm asking you a favor. In 16 hours I need to land at LAX, and I need that coffin to clear customs because there's going to be a hearse waiting there. And I need that hearse to take me and that coffin to a cemetery.Why? Why, Chrissy, can't I just bring him to a funeral home and make all the arrangements? Why can't I really take my time with it? Because I need it to be done. I need it to be over. I just -- I need to bury my father.

I don't know I if buy into the Christian is alive theory, but it would appear that the ME assumed what caused his death and that Jack hurridly made arrangements to go from the morgue to the airport. Juliet allegedly had a copy of Christian's autopsy report, but the Others lie so who knows if that was legit.

The producers lie too so taking their word for anything will only frustrate you.

Don't know about Austrailia, but where I live in the U.S. autopsies are optional whether a direct cause of death can be determined or not. Assuming the death isn't suspicious of course.

Medical Examiner: The police found him in an alley in Queens Cross. Now, a tox screen showed a blood alcohol content, which for a man of his size, probably brought on myocardial infarction - a sizable, and fatal heat-attack.

Jack: I want you to listen to me, okay. Because I'm asking you a favor, Chrissy. I'm standing in front of you in the same suit that I'm wearing to my father's funeral and I'm asking you a favor. In 16 hours I need to land at LAX, and I need that coffin to clear customs because there's going to be a hearse waiting there. And I need that hearse to take me and that coffin to a cemetery.Why? Why, Chrissy, can't I just bring him to a funeral home and make all the arrangements? Why can't I really take my time with it? Because I need it to be done. I need it to be over. I just -- I need to bury my father.

I don't know I if buy into the Christian is alive theory, but it would appear that the ME assumed what caused his death and that Jack hurridly made arrangements to go from the morgue to the airport. Juliet allegedly had a copy of Christian's autopsy report, but the Others lie so who knows if that was legit.

The producers lie too so taking their word for anything will only frustrate you.

Don't know about Austrailia, but where I live in the U.S. autopsies are optional whether a direct cause of death can be determined or not. Assuming the death isn't suspicious of course.


He suffered a fatal heart attack - they think the amount of alcohol in his system probably caused it - but that doesn't take away from the fact that he had a heart attack.
And health care is VASTLY different in comparison with the states. Canada and Australia are very similar - we get autopsy's here.

Clochard, do you have an attribution for Christian being dead from TPTB? I'm not trying to be argumentative. I really want to have this in my arsenal for every time someone brings up the fact that Christian is alive.

Clochard, do you have an attribution for Christian being dead from TPTB? I'm not trying to be argumentative. I really want to have this in my arsenal for every time someone brings up the fact that Christian is alive.

I'm looking. I had the link saved on my taskbar but i've deleted it.
Once I find it i'll post.
100%
Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof): Which brings me to my question, Carlton, which is subject heading, "Raise the Dead" by 'BananaLucia'.
Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): Awesome.
Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof): ...one post in the past 90 days. "What up? I got a two-fer for you. Can we expect any of the dead Losties or Others to come back through the magic of the island, or through the technology of the Others?"
Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): I mean, we kind of, with the proviso that we will be doing the Zombie Season, have made the commitment to not bring back dead characters as dead characters. So, if you're dead on the island on Lost, you're pretty much dead.
Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof): Unless it's in a flashback.
Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): Unless it's in a flashback.
Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof): Like, Ethan who died in Episode 11 of Season 1, and yet has made five guest appearances since.
Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): Or like, Christian Shephard! My God, he was in before the show started! And he's had more screentime than some of our regulars!

This was posted in an October podcast.

I'm looking. I had the link saved on my taskbar but i've deleted it.
Once I find it i'll post.
100%
Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof): Which brings me to my question, Carlton, which is subject heading, "Raise the Dead" by 'BananaLucia'.
Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): Awesome.
Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof): ...one post in the past 90 days. "What up? I got a two-fer for you. Can we expect any of the dead Losties or Others to come back through the magic of the island, or through the technology of the Others?"
Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): I mean, we kind of, with the proviso that we will be doing the Zombie Season, have made the commitment to not bring back dead characters as dead characters. So, if you're dead on the island on Lost, you're pretty much dead.
Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof): Unless it's in a flashback.
Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): Unless it's in a flashback.
Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof): Like, Ethan who died in Episode 11 of Season 1, and yet has made five guest appearances since.
Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): Or like, Christian Shephard! My God, he was in before the show started! And he's had more screentime than some of our regulars!

This was posted in an October podcast.

But I thought we were talking game changer.

Everyone was saying "where's the game changer?" That's why I brought it up. This would be a game changer. I don't know if its true, but it would be a game changer.

And if the game has changed, maybe we can no longer believe a podcast from 6 months ago?

Or maybe its interpretation - if Christian wasn't dead lying in the morgue, then he does not have to "come back to life".

But I thought we were talking game changer.

Everyone was saying "where's the game changer?" That's why I brought it up. This would be a game changer. I don't know if its true, but it would be a game changer.
yes - i
And if the game has changed, maybe we can no longer believe a podcast from 6 months ago?

Or maybe its interpretation - if Christian wasn't dead lying in the morgue, then he does not have to "come back to life".

The "game changer" was flashes before your eyes - i'm fairly sure of that. But more so, it definitely wasn't last nights episode.

And I seriously doubt they are going to go back on what they said. It would be like the fact that they said everything would have a scientific explanation, then suddenly using magic to explain everything - they wouldn't do that.

If christian is dead where is his body and who took it? Why would a writer make a coffin empty if it means nothing?

If christian is dead where is his body and who took it? Why would a writer make a coffin empty if it means nothing?

1) His body may never have made it on the plane
2) (I'm more in favor of this arguement) Smokey has a tendency to inhabit the bodies of the DEAD (Yemi); and thus may be limited to corpses (ie., lifeless bodies). This would explain why Christian is "appearing" on the island and the reason his body was gone - it parallels Yemi perfectly.

So last nights episode meant nothing? Without this tie in I cannot find anything that makes this episode (and therefore the whole existence of Nikki and Paulo) have any merit at all.

This would be a first for these writers if that is the case.

So last nights episode meant nothing? Without this tie in I cannot find anything that makes this episode (and therefore the whole existence of Nikki and Paulo) have any merit at all.

This would be a first for these writers if that is the case.

Are you kidding? Did you NOT watch the episode?
We learned 1) Who Nikki and Paulo were + all of there subsequent backstories
2) That the characters DO actually tell each other things (Pikki knowing where Kate found the case, Artz and the guns, etc)
3) That Ben and Co. were watching the Losties.
4) That the plane was moved OVER the hatch door - it didn't stay where it fell
5) Pikki possibly heard information about the others via the radio they found

Need I go on? This episode revealed alot - but had nothing to do with Christian as he is quite dead.

And no, it wouldn't be a "first" - for example, in Hurley's episode we didn't learn very much - not anything overly significant, he found a van and started it.

1) His body may never have made it on the plane
2) (I'm more in favor of this arguement) Smokey has a tendency to inhabit the bodies of the DEAD (Yemi); and thus may be limited to corpses (ie., lifeless bodies). This would explain why Christian is "appearing" on the island and the reason his body was gone - it parallels Yemi perfectly.

At the risk of upsetting people,

Who did the autopsy on Yemi? He was ID'd based on his cross. What if someone else was wearing his cross?

What if Yemi is still alive? Did we see Yemi shapeshift from Smokey? Did we see his lifeless body come to life?

And didn't we also get word from the TPTB that we would get a science-based solution. I am not thinking that the habitation of dead bodies is going to fit that podcast anymore than "dead is dead".

The argument goes both ways.

At the risk of upsetting people,

Who did the autopsy on Yemi? He was ID'd based on his cross. What if someone else was wearing his cross?

What if Yemi is still alive? Did we see Yemi shapeshift from Smokey? Did we see his lifeless body come to life?

And didn't we also get word from the TPTB that we would get a science-based solution. I am not thinking that the habitation of dead bodies is going to fit that podcast anymore than "dead is dead".

The argument goes both ways.

You're kidding?

Yemi's brother identified him - Eko.
And an autopsy to prove what? How extremely dead/mummified-due-to-island-heat-he-was?

....Yes we did get word from TPTB that it was going to be a scientific explanation so...your arguement goes no were.

What does "bring back dead characters as dead characters" mean? If Christian never died then he wouldn't be coming back as a dead character.

The reanimation of corpses is not scientific. Though one can argue that smokey seems to be completely supernatural. So can we even trust the producers at all?


Besides if you listen to the last podcast they say they are bringing back another "dead" character. Mikhail.

What does "bring back dead characters as dead characters" mean? If Christian never died then he wouldn't be coming back as a dead character.


Besides if you listen to the last podcast they say they are bringing back another "dead" character. Mikhail.



No, they said it wasn't actually dead.

...but the explanation of what Smokey IS, will be based in science.

You're kidding?

Yemi's brother identified him - Eko.
And an autopsy to prove what? How extremely dead/mummified-due-to-island-heat-he-was?

....Yes we did get word from TPTB that it was going to be a scientific explanation so...your arguement goes no were.

I think you just proved my point for me.

TPTB never said that everything in the show would have a scientific expanation. It'a a myth. Go try to find it; I gaurantee you won't.

They did say something like they wouldtryto have most of the phenomena in the show rooted in science or pseudoscience, which is a whole different ball game.

I might be remembering things incorrectly, but wasn't an autopsy preformed on Christian's body?? That would seem to rule out any possible resusitation; I've always thought that Christian is dead, but maybe some of you from the other camp will find a way to explain away the autopsy.

TPTB never said that everything in the show would have a scientific expanation. It'a a myth. Go try to find it; I gaurantee you won't.

They did say something like they wouldtryto have most of the phenomena in the show rooted in science or pseudoscience, which is a whole different ball game.

I might be remembering things incorrectly, but wasn't an autopsy preformed on Christian's body?? That would seem to rule out any possible resusitation; I've always thought that Christian is dead, but maybe some of you from the other camp will find a way to explain away the autopsy.

Was there an autopsy? They never said there was, just the guy that was there said that he suspected it was a heart attack induced by severe alchohol consumption. It's very vague.

I was always under the impression that a autopsy was not performed because he didn't have the necessary papers to transfer the body. Wouldn't the autopsy provide those papers?

Was there an autopsy? They never said there was, just the guy that was there said that he suspected it was a heart attack induced by severe alchohol consumption. It's very vague.

I was always under the impression that a autopsy was not performed because he didn't have the necessary papers to transfer the body. Wouldn't the autopsy provide those papers?


He wasn't unsure of the heart attack, he was unsure of the cause - and it was highly likely that it was the alcohol level.

And it isn't the autopsy that Jack would have needed to get him over the border.
It's like customs: You just need to fill out the necessary paperwork, and Jack didn't have it.

He wasn't unsure of the heart attack, he was unsure of the cause - and it was highly likely that it was the alcohol level.

And it isn't the autopsy that Jack would have needed to get him over the border.
It's like customs: You just need to fill out the necessary paperwork, and Jack didn't have it.

If it was just paperwork that Jack could fill out he would've done it. Something medical obviously has to be provided.

Are you sure it's not a medical examiners report that they need? You know the type of thing that would tell you that a body isn't carrying diseases or anything like that?

What would be on this customs form that Jack couldn't fill out?

Re-animation of dead bodies by a smoke monster is going to be considered pseudo-science?

Lets take a deep breath and try to look at this logically. Lets play "what if" for a second.

What if all of the hallucinations that are attributed in some quarters to Smokey are not Smokey at all..............?

What if Jack's father is alive?
What if Sayid's cat was just a cat?
What if Kate's horse is just a horse?
What if Yemi was alive and brainwashed?
What if Cooper was not some Smokey contrived image in a closet? That he really was there.
What if the spiders are just spiders?

I posit that those circumstances could be better explained by science and pseudo-science than re-animated dead bodies. Or magical spiders.

And what do we really know about Smokey?

We know that Eko had two encounters, and the second one killed him.
We know that Locke was likely pulled down the hole by Smokey and perhaps saw Smokey earlier as the eye of the island.
We think the pilot was killed by Smokey.
There was a Cerberus reference on the Blast Door Map.

That's about it.

So I would say that my speculation is no worse or no less valid than any speculation assigned to Smokey to date. And might be more explainable. Scientifically.

Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse): I mean, we kind of, with the proviso that we will be doing the Zombie Season, have made the commitment to not bring back dead characters as dead characters. So, if you're dead on the island on Lost, you're pretty much dead.

Did you notice he said "dead on the island" ? That leaves the door open to the possibility that Christian wasn't really dead. Christian didn't die on the island!

He even admits that Christian has more air time than regular characters, he has to be an important character to justify this and I have a feeling he's going to play a key role on this island.

The guy sounded unsure. If an autopsy was performed he would've sounded more sure. Just my opinion. I love to debate but as I watch the episode there is nothing that tells me an autopsy was performed. All I have are my own guesses, a statement from a mortician which sounds like a guess to me and a lack of some type of papers.

The guy sounded unsure. If an autopsy was performed he would've sounded more sure. Just my opinion. I love to debate but as I watch the episode there is nothing that tells me an autopsy was performed. All I have are my own guesses, a statement from a mortician which sounds like a guess to me and a lack of some type of papers.

I'm not going to argue about it anymore.
You can draw your own conclusions.

I believe the confusion comes from the newest podcast in which the producers say that we should be concerned with the whereabouts of Christian's body/coffin. That doesn't mean that he is alive, but it does mean that they aren't done with him yet as a character. It has always seemed to me that a character named Christian Shepherd (even though that's not how it's spelled) should be a positive rallying point for the Losties. I guess that 's not completely logical since many characters are named after philosophers whose philosophy they do not particularly embrace.

I've yet to meet a person yet whose survived an autopsy :drowsy:

Unless you're Claire from the TV show Heroes..

Was there an autopsy? They never said there was, just the guy that was there said that he suspected it was a heart attack induced by severe alchohol consumption. It's very vague.

I was always under the impression that a autopsy was not performed because he didn't have the necessary papers to transfer the body. Wouldn't the autopsy provide those papers?

When Jack was being held in the fish tank Juliet was interrogating him and had Christian's autopsy report. And being that Jack was going straight to the funeral it stands to reason that Christian was embalmed. He's dead!

I believe the confusion comes from the newest podcast in which the producers say that we should be concerned with the whereabouts of Christian's body/coffin. That doesn't mean that he is alive, but it does mean that they aren't done with him yet as a character. It has always seemed to me that a character named Christian Shepherd (even though that's not how it's spelled) should be a positive rallying point for the Losties. I guess that 's not completely logical since many characters are named after philosophers whose philosophy they do not particularly embrace.

They could be using his body as a tool for Jack and Claire to discover that they are brother and sister. That is about the only way I can think of how Claire and Jack would know that they were related. However knowing about Jack and Claire could be a present for us and not really something they would ever find out about.
Other than that I think Christian is dead and will stay dead. I also do not think that smokey animates the dead. It would be kind of hard to animate a dead mummified corpse that had been stuck in a plane in the jungle for who knows how long. If smokey is responsible for the visions of everyone I think it reads a subjects mind and transforms itself to look like that vision or something like that.

I've always found it interesting that John Terry does the "Previously On Lost." narration at the start of every show. I've always taken it as a hint that he has a larger role to play then just being Jack's (and now Claire's) dad.

I like thinking that Christian is still alive, and for this show, I don't believe anyone is dead unless I see them die.

I've always found it interesting that John Terry does the "Previously On Lost." narration at the start of every show. I've always taken it as a hint that he has a larger role to play then just being Jack's (and now Claire's) dad.

interesting....

I like thinking that Christian is still alive, and for this show, I don't believe anyone is dead unless I see them die.

that's what I am thinking too!

I do not know if Christian is still alive, but since the last episode I think there is a strong possibility, otherwise I do not see the point for TPTB to introduce the spiders (you look dead but you might not be dead) and also the girl in Eko story, what would have been the point of telling that story if it was not linked somehow with the Island, and the "look dead but not dead" fact?

He suffered a fatal heart attack - they think the amount of alcohol in his system probably caused it - but that doesn't take away from the fact that he had a heart attack.
And health care is VASTLY different in comparison with the states. Canada and Australia are very similar - we get autopsy's here.

No I don't agree. Since he was allegedly found dead behind the bar the ME can only be assuming it was a heart attack. There's no way to tell for sure what killed him without cutting him open. Yes?

No I don't agree. Since he was allegedly found dead behind the bar the ME can only be assuming it was a heart attack. There's no way to tell for sure what killed him without cutting him open. Yes?

True. But they only did a a tox screen for his a blood alcohol content. That is why the doctor/morgue guy,use the word "probably", because he couldn't confirm it, since he likely didn't preform a autopsy, just a Tox screen.

From "White Rabbit":
The police found him in an alley in Kings Cross. Now, a tox screen showed a blood alcohol content, which for a man of his size, probably brought on myocardial infarction... a sizable, and fatal heat attack.

that's what I am thinking too!

I do not know if Christian is still alive, but since the last episode I think there is a strong possibility, otherwise I do not see the point for TPTB to introduce the spiders (you look dead but you might not be dead) and also the girl in Eko story, what would have been the point of telling that story if it was not linked somehow with the Island, and the "look dead but not dead" fact?


I agree.
And the quote Cuse made about "dead on the island" is certainly interesting because his death was "off island".

and I just like thinking he is alive. If he's not that's okay, but it was fun theorizing about it. :cool: