Its about time someone set the record straight. I cant take it anymore. ive watched lost from the very beginning......and the first season was some of the greatest tv ever made. Now....Lost sucks. it sucks bad. Dont you see it? theres no need to speculate and make theories or even care. of course anyone who has invested this much time is going to finish it out...as am I. But people, the end started when damon took over. Him and carlton have took this show to the bottom. and please dont remove this thread for bashing on the producers, im not. I think they are two incredibly smart guys and good people, but in the name of free speech they have ruined this show.

All there ideas have backfired. They get rid of Boone and Shannon and micheal and walt for what??? what was there meaning on this show. and i really dont even want to talk about nikki and paulo....WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT. You mean thats how there story ends? I seriously feel ripped off. this is ridiculous. Damon, tell us wtf was the point of them? you owe us something. I start to get sick to my stomach when i watch lost now. its nothing but the same stuff. with no damn answers. 3 years. we dont know what the hell the monster is...or what it could possibly be....im mean im so pissed off. what really hurts is as i said the first season was some of the best tv ever, and they've reduced it to some of the worst tv ever. its a loop people. they're making things up as they go. they're playing with us. I cant even put into words what im feeling. I feel betrayed. This show is terrible. so far its been a complete waste of time and these guys can do is give there little podcast and make vague smart mouth comments like were all a bunch of kids. excactly what they've been doing for 3 YEARS now. I assure you all, that the end will suck. and it will suck big time, just like everything else we've been waiting for has. Im sorry. Im a lost hater now.

All i ask is that you people respect my opinion and dont try to silence me. Believe me, i onced loved lost with a passion. I....we all have a right to feel upset. and voice our opinion.


LOST SUCKS!!!!

A. Have 3 year long unanswered questions that by the time they're answered people will either not care or not remember.

B. Treat your die hard, loyal fans like there beneath you by doing pointless podcasts.

C. Kill of characters people get attached to, and they reason it by saying that it will serve the overall purpose of the show, yet 3 years into it...no one knows.

D. Replace the fallen characters with characters that have a total of 15 lines in they're entire run and then all of a sudden KILL THEM OFF AS WELL...

E. Lie to your fans by saying that you're not making this up as you go....im not that stupid, and I dont think most lost fans are.


theres so many more.

Its about time someone set the record straight. I cant take it anymore. ive watched lost from the very beginning......and the first season was some of the greatest tv ever made. Now....Lost sucks. it sucks bad. Dont you see it? theres no need to speculate and make theories or even care. of course anyone who has invested this much time is going to finish it out...as am I. But people, the end started when damon took over. Him and carlton have took this show to the bottom. and please dont remove this thread for bashing on the producers, im not. I think they are two incredibly smart guys and good people, but in the name of free speech they have ruined this show.

All there ideas have backfired. They get rid of Boone and Shannon and micheal and walt for what??? what was there meaning on this show. and i really dont even want to talk about nikki and paulo....WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT. You mean thats how there story ends? I seriously feel ripped off. this is ridiculous. Damon, tell us wtf was the point of them? you owe us something. I start to get sick to my stomach when i watch lost now. its nothing but the same stuff. with no damn answers. 3 years. we dont know what the hell the monster is...or what it could possibly be....im mean im so pissed off. what really hurts is as i said the first season was some of the best tv ever, and they've reduced it to some of the worst tv ever. its a loop people. they're making things up as they go. they're playing with us. I cant even put into words what im feeling. I feel betrayed. This show is terrible. so far its been a complete waste of time and these guys can do is give there little podcast and make vague smart mouth comments like were all a bunch of kids. excactly what they've been doing for 3 YEARS now. I assure you all, that the end will suck. and it will suck big time, just like everything else we've been waiting for has. Im sorry. Im a lost hater now.

All i ask is that you people respect my opinion and dont try to silence me. Believe me, i onced loved lost with a passion. I....we all have a right to feel upset. and voice our opinion.


LOST SUCKS!!!!


WAAH WAAH its been 3 years!! WAAH WAAH!!

Sorry but you obviously have little experience with these kind of series.
When i first saw Lost during season 1 it became very apparent to me that this was a 5 season show, at least.

But then again i was a Babylon 5 fan, and we we where also kept in the dark for three years about what the hell these shadow things was all about, but once the reveal came out, it was all the the better for it, and after we knew we all missed the time we didn't know, just so we could find out all over again.

If u have no idea what show im talking about consider X-files, THERES a show they started yanking people around on.
But even before Mulder left it took at least 3 seasons before we knew anything remotely of the big picture.


So don't sweat it, just hang on, and don't say Carlton and Damon are ruining it, they've been with the show from the very beginning.


-Exodus

You get what you pay for. You did pay, didn't you? No? Well, there ya go!

It's a show. A very long one. If you walk out during the intermission you'll never know what happened.

if you don't like the show why bother watching it i swear some people are beyond belief, why not disappear and make yourself one of those i hate lost websites instead of polluting the threads with your hate speech. it seems like you are either seriously impatient or you have got a big chip on your shoulder

While I don't share 100% of your opinion, I admit the addition of Piki was completely useless... no matter what role they end up playing. Look at the amount of work needed to recreate old scenes (with them included!) only to see them get killed in a very weird way.

To make it worse the recreations were not accurate, different speech, different looks so it makes it a lot less professional to me. Expose was the worst episode IMHO, I think this show will never last 5 seasons because it's going to lose ratings, even if it kicked *** new viewers have a hard time understanding the show so it's a 2-3 season show at best.

I have a feeling the show will get canned, I hope not because I watched every single episode (good and bad).

Opinions are like belly buttons............we all have one and thats what makes the world a great place. Enjoy the differences it would be boring if we all agreed.

I'd say 99% of us have been watching the show from the pilot episode. Some are still in love with the show, like me!! Some are unhappy with it, don't watch it anymore if you hate it so much. I sometimes think to myself, this episode could have been better or that the storyline could be different, but I deal with it. Sure Nikki and Paolo were pointless, but so what, nothing to make a big fuss about.

I'd say 99% of us have been watching the show from the pilot episode. Some are still in love with the show, like me!! Some are unhappy with it, don't watch it anymore if you hate it so much. I sometimes think to myself, this episode could have been better or that the storyline could be different, but I deal with it. Sure Nikki and Paolo were pointless, but so what, nothing to make a big fuss about.


Not everyone, why are the ratings not what they used to be when the show first started? Why are there so many people I know that have given up on the show? Most people don't have to deal with it they just stop watching.
Pereli I agree with you 100%:biggrin:

I too, will continue to watch and even speculate, but I do have to agree! I was so mad after this episode!!

After reading Nikki and Paulo will "become iconic characters on the show after this episode" I am trying to figure out why?? Because they were buried alive?!!?! Oh please!!!! I am pissed.
:mad:

I'm not positive but aren't Damon & Carlton, and a few of the other writers of the show, responsible for all of the WB's former programming? you know, all those forgetable "Teen angst" shows? Taking that into consideration, I have to say that they're doing a decent job on Lost, since watching even a few seconds of those dead WB programs literally made me wretch.
As for Expose its clear that, even though I like Billy Dee as much as everyone else, his addition to the show was little more than to fulfill the fantasies of these young writers who grew up emulating the one and only Star Wars trilogy and George Lucas.

Well, Pereli, I don't agree that Lost, as you say, sucks.

Lost is a mystery and mysteries don't get solved in chapter 3, they get solved at the end. In a mystery, a situation is presented, the protagonist is introduced, then the antagonists are introduced. In the meantime, the action moves forward as real clues and false clues are offered. Slowly, the protagonist figures out what's happening and takes action. Through those actions, we figure it out too. So it goes with Lost.

In seasons 1 & 2, we saw the situation, the plane crash, and met the protagonists, the Fusies and the Tailies, saw an expansion of the situation, and caught glimpses of the antagonists, the Others. Now in season 3, we're learning more about them. Meanwhile, we've been given lots of clues real and false and the characters are starting to take action, figure things out, and so are we. There is a long way to go and we won't have all the answers until the end. The show would get pretty uninteresting if we had them all now.

I loved season 1 too, but if the Fusies were still setting up tarps, trying to catch boar, and getting creeped out by strange noises, I would have long since become bored with the show. Fortunately it is unfolding exactly as a mystery should. I think season 3 has been great. Desmond's episode and Locke's episode were classics. We've actually been given lots of answers but for every answer there are more questions. That's a typical learning curve.

I think there absolutely is a game plan but as in all games, the plan needs to be tweaked sometimes as the game plays out. If a quarterback can't find his receiver, he grabs the ball and runs it himself. If a minor character like Henry Gale is introduced and becomes wildly popular, why not morph him into Ben Linus? If an actor has a chance to do a movie, maybe it's better to kill the character off than replace him with another actor. Sometimes you need to be ready to punt.

In an era where information is instant and people speak in acronyms, I can see how someone might lose patience with a classic mystery. Fight that urge and enjoy each episode as it is presented. The answers will come.

The last few episodes of Babylon 5 were some of the most intense and awesome in television history.

How can anyone compare Lost to BibbleBubbleBabylonian 5?!!! Apples and Oranges.
Dogs and Cats. Elephants and Mice. Even Star Trek Next Gen had its forgetable and/or god awful episodes, taken as a whole though, the series was excellent.

You're entitled to your opinion...as I am.
Know what? It can only get better from here!

We're still in the conflict phase of this TV novel...(Intro, character development, conflict, resolution, conclusion)...just a few steps to go.

Have patience...

All of the best stories have red herrings and multiple layers.

Be it book, movie, TV or myth. If it's all laid out before your feet and explained step by step - then you're watching what we refer to in our home as 'recycled' stories.

Lost has many layers to enjoy - the casual viewer can watch it like a soap opera and an obsessed viewer can watch it like a murder mystery, trying to catch any clue or hint. Curiously, TPTB have encouraged the latter behaviour by including things like the Dharma website and the Lost Experience game.

If you're not enjoying it on either level, i recommend you read a book. I quite enjoy the HP series. Many layers, many stories. Enjoy!

And don't knock Carlton! He was involved in Brisco County Jr, one of the greatest shows ever!:kiss:

I thought the Pikki episode was average in terms of the usually awesome Lost eps, but I think Lost far from sucks. Damon has said each season is like a book of a greater saga; mysteries inserted, some answered and then some more are asked. And that happens with a lot of good and immense books. I've read The Lord of the Rings, Stephen King's Dark Tower Saga and others, and you can't help but throw the books at the wall but an hour later, the need to know what the hell Frodo was thinking urges you pick it up again.

I think if Lost's biggest mysteries: the monster, the Islands mysterious abilities, the Others' true end game, and the interconnectedness of all the characters; were found out before the halfway point, which was this ep or the one before, it'd be the wrong move because I think Lost deserved more than 3 seasons. A lot of peole want it to end in season 4, but the producers said that would like 100 eps and most of the time, the 100th ep occurs sometime in the 5th season. If the TPTB keep making the show have an even balance of character driven arcs and mythology arcs, it could last 5 seasons without it turning into The X-Files season 8 and 9. And nobody wants that.

I personally see what the big deal is. The producers/writers of a television show don't 'owe' the viewers anything. I think they've been doing a FANTASTIC job of holding my attention for 3+ YEARS.Of course you're going to have some episodes of the story that the fans don't like.Maybe 'Expose' WAS a filler episode. Maybe the creative staff just wanted a week off from all the INSANE & POINTLESS MICRO-ANALYSIS of EVERY SINGLE MINOR BACKGROUND DETAIL and PROP CHOICE in the entire show. If anything is going to ruin this ahow, that would be it. I mean, pretty soon the writers are gonna have to feed each week's script into a computer just to make sure they aren't stepping on any fan's toes! As for the person who started this thread, if you don't like it, DON'T WATCH IT! Why does everybody who doesn't like something nowadays feel like it's their duty to 'warn' everyone else about how bad it is? I didn't think that was the point of a fan site...

I respect your opinion but I have no idea what you're trying to do. You are not going to convince other people to not like and enjoy the show just because they now know that you think it sucks. Other than that, I have no idea what you're doing. Why tell us that it sucks? I don't care even an ounce that you don't like it anymore, that does nothing to what I think about it. If you convince one person that the show sucks, who formerly liked it, then that person is a moron.

I have watched many, many forms of media, and I have seen things that suck and that I did not enjoy. LOST doesn't come close to sucking. I enjoy it, every episode. And just because you say LOST is ruined does not make it fact, nor does it stop anyone else from enjoying it.

So go ahead, hate it.

I was madly in love with Season 1, and I have become very disappointed and disillusioned. I will most likely watch until the bitter end, but after Expose, and in light of the smug attitude of "tptb," I might not make it to that point...

I don´t hate them for making it up as they go, or even introducing minor characters and then really expanding their plot in the show (like ben and desmond). But Pikki was so poorely introduced and used in the show that it is hard to believe these were the same guys that created Lost...

Oh, and don´t say we will have some big revelation in the episode when the revelation is that we´ve wasted our time..

Artz is iconic, but pikki will always be a mistake.

(Again, I´m not against introducing background characters an then setting up so they become main characters, but this was poorely written. Better luck next time.)

But what the hell, I still love Lost !
I´ll just try to forget pikki ever existed (as I´m trying to forget that Mr. Eko died in the world´s most awsome ride " The Smokey-Coaster")

I agree with most of the posters so far in that the story is still building and developing. It does feel like we're in the middle of the overall story arc at this point and I'm sure the pacing will pick up from here. That being said, I thought last week's story with John was great, and this week even though I initially did not agree with Nikki and Paulo being thrust at us (Please like us! Accept us as regulars!) I finally began to make some connection with the characters as their back stories were introduced. I rather enjoyed the episode if for no other reason then to flesh out their back stories and give them some validity. It was even nice to get a little more Artz on our shirts. :)

Season 2 and 3 are far superior to season 1

I think LOST fans are pretty spoiled. We get this awesome show that never fails to deliver the goods week after week and then someone decides the show sucks just because they are tired of waiting for answers. LOST is not the problem, the fans are the problem. We want exactly what we want, when we want it...no exceptions...and if we don't get it we throw a fit. Have you ever heard the term "revenge is a dish best served cold"? I think that applies here.....just be patient. I mean..Luke wasn't patient and he lost his friggin hand...be thankful..lol

The podcasts are pointless? I love them, and I think they are very kind to take time out of doing the show to sit down and include us a little bit even though they don't have to what so ever. You should be more thankful they are so giving. And do I have to point out that no one is forcing you to listen to them?

"Kill of characters people get attached to, and they reason it by saying that it will serve the overall purpose of the show, yet 3 years into it...no one knows." There you go again, man you gotta just relax. Patience is a virtue. Just sit back and enjoy the ride because one day it is going to be over and you will have your answers.


I don't know what it is about us LOST fans...we can be some of the most ungrateful and spoiled little brats in the world when things don't go our way. We would be the teenagers that throw a fit when the new Ferrari pulls up and it is blue instead of red....when most other fans are just happy their show is still on the air.

Its about time someone set the record straight. I cant take it anymore. ive watched lost from the very beginning......and the first season was some of the greatest tv ever made. Now....Lost sucks. it sucks bad. Dont you see it? theres no need to speculate and make theories or even care. of course anyone who has invested this much time is going to finish it out...as am I. But people, the end started when damon took over. Him and carlton have took this show to the bottom. and please dont remove this thread for bashing on the producers, im not. I think they are two incredibly smart guys and good people, but in the name of free speech they have ruined this show.

All there ideas have backfired. They get rid of Boone and Shannon and micheal and walt for what??? what was there meaning on this show. and i really dont even want to talk about nikki and paulo....WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT. You mean thats how there story ends? I seriously feel ripped off. this is ridiculous. Damon, tell us wtf was the point of them? you owe us something. I start to get sick to my stomach when i watch lost now. its nothing but the same stuff. with no damn answers. 3 years. we dont know what the hell the monster is...or what it could possibly be....im mean im so pissed off. what really hurts is as i said the first season was some of the best tv ever, and they've reduced it to some of the worst tv ever. its a loop people. they're making things up as they go. they're playing with us. I cant even put into words what im feeling. I feel betrayed. This show is terrible. so far its been a complete waste of time and these guys can do is give there little podcast and make vague smart mouth comments like were all a bunch of kids. excactly what they've been doing for 3 YEARS now. I assure you all, that the end will suck. and it will suck big time, just like everything else we've been waiting for has. Im sorry. Im a lost hater now.

All i ask is that you people respect my opinion and dont try to silence me. Believe me, i onced loved lost with a passion. I....we all have a right to feel upset. and voice our opinion.


LOST SUCKS!!!!

A. Have 3 year long unanswered questions that by the time they're answered people will either not care or not remember.

B. Treat your die hard, loyal fans like there beneath you by doing pointless podcasts.

C. Kill of characters people get attached to, and they reason it by saying that it will serve the overall purpose of the show, yet 3 years into it...no one knows.

D. Replace the fallen characters with characters that have a total of 15 lines in they're entire run and then all of a sudden KILL THEM OFF AS WELL...

E. Lie to your fans by saying that you're not making this up as you go....im not that stupid, and I dont think most lost fans are.


theres so many more.



I'm sure there were some general things were planned at or near the beginning but there's no doubt that many things have been made up as they go and pieced together. The real questions may be; how much has been planned, what specific things were not planned, how well have they followed plans, and what mistakes we made and what ideas were changed or abandoned altogether. Who knows where the whole Nikki and Paulo debacle fits in.



David Fury, Lost co-executive producer and writer 2004-2005
from Rolling Stone, October 6, 2005

"There was absolutely no master plan on Lost. Anybody who said that was lying.”

"On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything, and I'm here to tell you no -- a lot of things are just arbitrary.

Fury, who wrote "Walkabout", also adds that he always tried to connect random elements to give the illusion that it was all adding up to soemthing.

Fury also says many plot elements were made up on the fly and cites Hurley winning the lottery as an example. He said that was made up when it was time to write the first Hurley episode.


In a long resonse on his blog, Javi attempts to refute Fury but confirms the Hurley lottery story as not being planned out. Seeing as how Hurley and "the numbers" have been a huge part of Lost, some may find this disturbing...


Javier Grillo-Marxuach, Lost supervising producer, writer 2004-2006

"As the creator of the Hurley backstory that was discarded in favor of the lottery winner story, I can say that, indeed, the original hurley backstory (he was supposed to have been the world’s greatest repo man, sent to australia on a mission to get his biggest prize yet) just didn’t work and had to go. It would have made for lousy television."

No, I don't get it. Lost is one of the most intelligently written shows on television. It makes you think, and not just about the island mysteries, which are fun to figure out, but about life. The human condition. Philosophy. Love. Faith. Free will. Fate. Psychology. Religion. Sociology. Any given week, the tone can be scary, mysterious, dramatic, poignant, uplifting, or darkly humorous. The acting is consistently good, and often brilliant. To me, this show is kind of like a Monet painting...if you closely examine every brush stroke, you lose your appreciation for the genius of the big picture. You really have to step back and think about it in broader terms to appreciate what the writers are trying to do. But hey, that's just me, and Lost is my favorite show. To each his own.

You are absolutely correct about many things...the first season of LOST was classic, groundbreaking television, that fell apart the second season because the major theme of the first season, getting off the island, was thrown by the wayside with the introduction of Desmond, the Numbers, and Dharma. The result is a show that is just a pale imitation of what it was the first season.

Don't expect to find much sympathy here, many that felt as you do have simply stopped posting, and, as many have suggested to you, have stopped watching the show. Millions have.

I think we have every right to feel jaded that the Monster, first introduced in the pilot episode, has not been explained to any certainty by now. The reason I believe, is because back then they had no idea what the origin of the Monster would be, and I believe just as strongly that when the Hatch was first revealed, TPTB didn't know what or who was inside, nor the agenda of the "Others". The first season introduced all these cool concepts that drew us in, and when the fans finally demanded some answers, they were full of contrived plot holes and less fancifull then what viewers were expecting.

I wish I could get back the hours that I spent last year debating the meaning of the Mural in the Hatch hallway...why Desmond was injecting himself with Vaccine...the purpose of the Lockdown procedure...the scribblings on the hidden Hatch Map...why Marvin Candle seemed to be missing an arm...why Micheal was able to leave the island but not Desmond in his sailboat...Why Walt was appearing all wet and talking backwards to Shannon...the mysterious "voices" ...why Locke was able to predict the weather...the list goes on and on.

You must admit to yourself that the show you started watching in 2004 is gone. Rest In Peace...it was great television. To continue watching the show, you must make peace with that fact, as I have, and lower your standards. Once the episode is over, I no longer think about it, I don't talk about it, I don't analyze what I just learned....there is no use in doing so.

Sure, go ahead and have a fun time debating if Locke blew up the sub or not, cause when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter...TPTB will only re-visit these issues if it suits them or they have run out of story ideas.

Well, Pereli, I don't agree that Lost, as you say, sucks.

Lost is a mystery and mysteries don't get solved in chapter 3, they get solved at the end. In a mystery, a situation is presented, the protagonist is introduced, then the antagonists are introduced. In the meantime, the action moves forward as real clues and false clues are offered. Slowly, the protagonist figures out what's happening and takes action. Through those actions, we figure it out too. So it goes with Lost.

In seasons 1 & 2, we saw the situation, the plane crash, and met the protagonists, the Fusies and the Tailies, saw an expansion of the situation, and caught glimpses of the antagonists, the Others. Now in season 3, we're learning more about them. Meanwhile, we've been given lots of clues real and false and the characters are starting to take action, figure things out, and so are we. There is a long way to go and we won't have all the answers until the end. The show would get pretty uninteresting if we had them all now.

I loved season 1 too, but if the Fusies were still setting up tarps, trying to catch boar, and getting creeped out by strange noises, I would have long since become bored with the show. Fortunately it is unfolding exactly as a mystery should. I think season 3 has been great. Desmond's episode and Locke's episode were classics. We've actually been given lots of answers but for every answer there are more questions. That's a typical learning curve.

I think there absolutely is a game plan but as in all games, the plan needs to be tweaked sometimes as the game plays out. If a quarterback can't find his receiver, he grabs the ball and runs it himself. If a minor character like Henry Gale is introduced and becomes wildly popular, why not morph him into Ben Linus? If an actor has a chance to do a movie, maybe it's better to kill the character off than replace him with another actor. Sometimes you need to be ready to punt.

In an era where information is instant and people speak in acronyms, I can see how someone might lose patience with a classic mystery. Fight that urge and enjoy each episode as it is presented. The answers will come.

The last few episodes of Babylon 5 were some of the most intense and awesome in television history.
exactly - well said!

Its about time someone set the record straight. I cant take it anymore. ive watched lost from the very beginning......and the first season was some of the greatest tv ever made. Now....Lost sucks. it sucks bad. Dont you see it? theres no need to speculate and make theories or even care.
You state this as if it's a fact. It is your personal opinion that LOST sucks. This being the case, not everyone is going to agree with you. Just because you personally think the show is ruined doesn't mean everyone has to. We all have different tastes. We all watch for different reasons, be it for the mystery, the characters, or just to be entertained. Nobody needs to "see" anything or conform to your way of thinking.

I start to get sick to my stomach when i watch lost now. its nothing but the same stuff. with no damn answers. 3 years. we dont know what the hell the monster is...or what it could possibly be....im mean im so pissed off. what really hurts is as i said the first season was some of the best tv ever, and they've reduced it to some of the worst tv ever. its a loop people. they're making things up as they go. they're playing with us.
First off, to call some of the worst TV ever is insulting. Even a bad episode of LOST is better than any episode of most shows on television, in my opinion. Yes, I too hated Expose, but it was better than any Stargate episode I've had the misfortune of seeing (sorry Stargate fans). Not everyone agrees that LOST is "some of he worst TV ever".

Secondly, you're angry that they've not yet revealed what the smoke monster is, yet in the same paragraph you accuse the writers of making the show up as they go along? You're contradicting yourself. Obviously they have further plans for the monster, they're just saving it, probably for next season. Which means they aren't making it up as they go on.

And I think you're confused. Just because they let character relationships and story arcs organically change and end up differently than they originally intended ("Henry" being the Others' leader, there was a possible Kate/Sayid romance in season one that went nowhere, Libby's death, Nikki and Paulo) doesn't mean they make EVERYTHING up as they go along. They said they have answers for all the major mysteries. What the monster is, what the island is, who the Others are, their history, and why they're on the island. I see no reason to doubt that they do have all that planned out.

In my opinion, they could wrap up LOST by the end of this season if they made the show all about plot and answering questions. Easily. There really isn't much left to explain, in my opinion. But personally, I love the mystery, I love the character development, I love the flashbacks, I love the suspenseful action, I love the humor. LOST wouldn't be LOST if they got rid of all that just because fans like you are getting impatient for answers.

I assure you all, that the end will suck. and it will suck big time, just like everything else we've been waiting for has. Im sorry. Im a lost hater now.
Then stop watching it. If you can no longer enjoy the show for what it is, stop watching. Why are you still watching something that only makes you angry? The ending is going to suck anyway, right? Go find a better show to watch until this one concludes, then read Lostpedia and get all the answers to your questions.

I agree with you that LOST has dropped in quality since season one. I don't think there will be an episode as moving as Walkabout or the one where Boone died and Aaron was born. I doubt anything will move me to tears like season one did. But keep in mind, then we didn't know who any of the characters were, who the Others were, and didn't even see the hatch or the smoke monster until the end of the season. And yes, I hated Expose as well. It was probably the worst episode of LOST yet. But that said, I loved Flashes Before Your Eyes and The Man From Tallahassee more than any episode since Lockdown. The show is still smart, well written, well acted, engaging, and entertaining. To say that it sucks, in my opinion, just isn't true.

In an effort to keep this thread on topic, please refrain from bashing spelling, grammar, etc. This would be considered attacking a poster. If you don't agree with the poster, fine, but it is not okay to bash anyone personally.

All i ask is that you people respect my opinion and dont try to silence me. Believe me, i onced loved lost with a passion. I....we all have a right to feel upset. and voice our opinion.




Pereli

Despite what others may want you to believe, there are many fans who have similar feelings as you. You may want to post your feelings in an episode's "Didn't Like it" thread or in Lost Talk: Constructive Criticism Thread: Take 2 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=71826)

Mod edit***

Lost does not suck. The X-files didn't suck either and I personally dont need every answer spoon fed to me. The fun of these types of shows is speculation and discussing theories with other fans. Just enjoy the ride.

Hey Pereli

You are entitled to your opnion. Post it as much as you want ok buddy.

You praise where its due so you criticize where its due as well.

I am still a LOST fan, but I do have more or less similar emotions as you at various
points in watching LOST go through its season. But I also hope things will brighten.

I assure you all, that the end will suck. and it will suck big time, just like everything else we've been waiting for has.I very much fear that. If that turns out to be true in the end, I wont forgive myself for making a fool of myself :-( I pray that wont be the case

And yea, you feared that your thread might be deleted. See, its a big hit ;-)
The mods are smart enogh to encourage diversity of opinions.

I start to get sick to my stomach when i watch lost now. its nothing but the same stuff. with no damn answers. 3 years. we dont know what the hell the monster is...or what it could possibly be....im mean im so pissed off.

Now....Lost sucks. it sucks bad. Dont you see it?

This show is terrible. so far its been a complete waste of time ...

I assure you all, that the end will suck. and it will suck big time, just like everything else we've been waiting for has. Im sorry. Im a lost hater now.

of course anyone who has invested this much time is going to finish it out...as am I.
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Why? Seems to me if it's this painful you should stop watching. Unless you are a masochist. If I hate something, I stop. To continue is not a sign of a healthy way of thinking. Go to Televisin Without Pity web site and read the recaps if you want to know what happened without hurting yourself.

Staying because you have spend 3 years already is like saying you are married, hate your spouse, want to gouge your eyes out when you see them and want to stick hat pins in your ears everytime you hear thier voice but you are staying because you've been together 10 years! That makes no sense.

[QUOTE=bryce110;1461346]I was madly in love with Season 1, and I have become very disappointed and disillusioned. I will most likely watch until the bitter end, but after Expose, and in light of the smug attitude of "tptb," I might not make it to that point...

Again, why? If you used to love the show and it is ruined for you, stop. Remember the the season(s) you liked. You can read about the secrets and know the ending without actually watching the show. I don't understand this determination to inflick pain on yourself and then keep blaming others for it. Just. Stop. Watching.

I am also a big fan of the show. I've seen every episode since the Pilot, own Season 1 on DVD, tell people how good it is, and wonder why the ratings are half what they used to be. I mean - I'm on the fuselage.com! Love the show.

Having said that, Expose was so God awful that I too am shaken to my Lost soul. I wouldn't go as far as to say that the entire series now sucks, but I am willing - unlike other people to acknowledge a terrible episode when I see one.

Think of it this way - it can only get better from Expose.

Although I disagree with some of your opinions, Pereli, I acknowledge that a problem exists with this season's Lost. The same thing happened with Alias and the X-Files. There was a momentum with those shows that couldn't possibly be maintained throughout the seasons without new plotlines being introduced to keep the shows fresh.

Unfortunately, this strategy always alienates the longtime viewers since they are the ones pushing for quicker reveals. They (including myself) always want to return to the good ol' days when things were simpler, in this case, finding out what other mysteries the island holds.

You also have to remember that network shows are also marketing devices for their sponsors. But anyways, that is a different story not within the scope of this thread.

You just gotta love the Lost haters. Or haters of any TV show for that matter. You know, you look at the posts in the "Hated it" or "Didn't like it" threads, and week after week, it's mostly the same people posting there. These same people also rate the show consistently at a 1 or a 2 in spite of overwhelming fan response to the opposite, like in the case of Lockdown and The Man from Tallahassee.

But even so, the haters still watch the show week in, week out. Maybe it's to laugh at the show or have something negative to say here at the 'Lage, I don't know. Who cares. Hater participation helps drive the show, not kill it. It's like they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Not to mention, you keep paying your cable or satellite bills (or maybe make sure your parents do), so, there must be something out there you like. But dollars to doughnuts, none of it's better than Lost.

I dunno, I still enjoy the show. Season 1 was great, but there episodes I didn't love. Same with season 2 and now the same with season 3. It's strange how personally people take an episode that isn't stellar. I do believe the writers are trying to make the best show they possibly can and that everyone works hard to make it so. I'm appreciative of their efforts so I'm willing to 'forgive' them if one or two episodes aren't quite as exciting as others. Of course things get rearranged or changed completely, crust happens. Kill off characters people were attached to, the writers get bad mouthed for trying to shock. Introduce some characters to kill off, the writers get bad mouthed for it being pointless. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
You're disappointed in the show, that's a shame. Happily, I'm not and will continue to enjoy.
Now, the new time slot, that's a whole different story. The new time slot sucks out loud. Change that and I'll have no complaint at all.

I get that its hard to let go when you've been so devoted to a show, but if you are really this dissatisfied, I do suggest you stop watching, at least for a while.

I still love Lost, and enjoy almost every episode, even if its not my favorite. I agree with the initial post that season 1 was some of the best television ever made, and I don't know if they will ever top that, but I still enjoy watching and will continue doing so until the end.

I know the feeling of dissatisfaction, since it happened to me with the X-Files. I eventually just stopped watching instead of watching every week and being angry and disappointed, and I'm glad I stopped because I could just remember the show for what it was in the early seasons.

As for the new time slot, well I'm glad I'm in Canada and get it earlier!

David Fury, Lost co-executive producer and writer 2004-2005
from Rolling Stone, October 6, 2005

"There was absolutely no master plan on Lost. Anybody who said that was lying.”

"On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything, and I'm here to tell you no -- a lot of things are just arbitrary.

Fury, who wrote "Walkabout", also adds that he always tried to connect random elements to give the illusion that it was all adding up to soemthing.

Fury also says many plot elements were made up on the fly and cites Hurley winning the lottery as an example. He said that was made up when it was time to write the first Hurley episode.


In a long resonse on his blog, Javi attempts to refute Fury but confirms the Hurley lottery story as not being planned out. Seeing as how Hurley and "the numbers" have been a huge part of Lost, some may find this disturbing...


Javier Grillo-Marxuach, Lost supervising producer, writer 2004-2006

"As the creator of the Hurley backstory that was discarded in favor of the lottery winner story, I can say that, indeed, the original hurley backstory (he was supposed to have been the world’s greatest repo man, sent to australia on a mission to get his biggest prize yet) just didn’t work and had to go. It would have made for lousy television."


I never read this before, but it's really too bad. That is exactly the feeling I get when
I watch the show. The writers are just trying to buy time to think up the finale while
connecting random elements. That is a recipe that will lead to a terrible ending. How
someone can compare that to Lord of the Rings, for which Tolkien made up entire
languages and spent ten years writing the narrative?! How insulting to LOTR! No,
Lost will end up like X-Files - if it is lucky. With some bad luck it will be unceremoniously
yanked from the airwaves like The OC.

I've watched from the beginning and have re-watched every episode in seasons 1 and 2 on DVD. I LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT. There is so much drivel on TV these days, how can you bash a show that makes you think this much about it? At first I didn't like Expose, but the more I thought about it, I realized that it is actually a very good, subtle episdoe with some huge clues in it. Was it as good as Walk About or Psalm 23? Of course not, but it was still far better than most shows on TV.

If we had all of the answers, the show would be over. I just pray that TPTB do not drag it out too long. Yes, I was an X-Files fan, and that season was truly awful. Please do not drag it out beyond five seasons just to please ABC.

As for loss in ratings, any serial show of this nature loses viewers over time. I've had friends watch the show on my recommendation, and they just don't get it. You really have to watch it from the beginning. Then ABC changed the time slot from 8 p.m., then to 9 p.m. and now to a family-unfriendly 10:00 p.m. This is above and beyond the tortuous re-runs and no shows (I prefer reruns to no shows, BTW). Any show would lose ratings under these circumstances. I will watch the show to the bitter end and will love every minute of it.

Lastly, the CW stations does have one awesome show - Supernatural. It is one of my favorite shows, and I am not an angst ridden teenager. I am a 30ish attorney.

Pereli is just trying to get a rise outta everybody I think. Pereli all you have to do is just stop watching, that simple. No one really cares if you watch or don't.

As for the new time slot, well I'm glad I'm in Canada and get it earlier!


Lucky Canuck! :)

Its about time someone set the record straight. I cant take it anymore. ive watched lost from the very beginning......and the first season was some of the greatest tv ever made. Now....Lost sucks. it sucks bad. Dont you see it? theres no need to speculate and make theories or even care. of course anyone who has invested this much time is going to finish it out...as am I. But people, the end started when damon took over. Him and carlton have took this show to the bottom. and please dont remove this thread for bashing on the producers, im not. I think they are two incredibly smart guys and good people, but in the name of free speech they have ruined this show.

All there ideas have backfired. They get rid of Boone and Shannon and micheal and walt for what??? what was there meaning on this show. and i really dont even want to talk about nikki and paulo....WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT. You mean thats how there story ends? I seriously feel ripped off. this is ridiculous. Damon, tell us wtf was the point of them? you owe us something. I start to get sick to my stomach when i watch lost now. its nothing but the same stuff. with no damn answers. 3 years. we dont know what the hell the monster is...or what it could possibly be....im mean im so pissed off. what really hurts is as i said the first season was some of the best tv ever, and they've reduced it to some of the worst tv ever. its a loop people. they're making things up as they go. they're playing with us. I cant even put into words what im feeling. I feel betrayed. This show is terrible. so far its been a complete waste of time and these guys can do is give there little podcast and make vague smart mouth comments like were all a bunch of kids. excactly what they've been doing for 3 YEARS now. I assure you all, that the end will suck. and it will suck big time, just like everything else we've been waiting for has. Im sorry. Im a lost hater now.

All i ask is that you people respect my opinion and dont try to silence me. Believe me, i onced loved lost with a passion. I....we all have a right to feel upset. and voice our opinion.


LOST SUCKS!!!!

A. Have 3 year long unanswered questions that by the time they're answered people will either not care or not remember.

B. Treat your die hard, loyal fans like there beneath you by doing pointless podcasts.

C. Kill of characters people get attached to, and they reason it by saying that it will serve the overall purpose of the show, yet 3 years into it...no one knows.

D. Replace the fallen characters with characters that have a total of 15 lines in they're entire run and then all of a sudden KILL THEM OFF AS WELL...

E. Lie to your fans by saying that you're not making this up as you go....im not that stupid, and I dont think most lost fans are.


theres so many more.


See ya, add your name to list of bandwagon jumpers. I know its your opinion, but this has been said before. Sorry there are people who disagree with you and think this season has definitly picked up in the last month. So does this mean we wont see a 4th post from you?

I never read this before, but it's really too bad. That is exactly the feeling I get when
I watch the show. The writers are just trying to buy time to think up the finale while
connecting random elements. That is a recipe that will lead to a terrible ending. How
someone can compare that to Lord of the Rings, for which Tolkien made up entire
languages and spent ten years writing the narrative?! How insulting to LOTR! No,
Lost will end up like X-Files - if it is lucky. With some bad luck it will be unceremoniously
yanked from the airwaves like The OC.



And watch the finale really stink. I fear the same thing too. Even though I am not as invested in the show as I used to be.

I too, will continue to watch and even speculate, but I do have to agree! I was so mad after this episode!!

After reading Nikki and Paulo will "become iconic characters on the show after this episode" I am trying to figure out why?? Because they were buried alive?!!?! Oh please!!!! I am pissed.
:mad:

This I agree 100% with. It's a big WTF?

The show didn't make them iconic at all...it just was filler. They killed off two unliked characters and didnt' need to devote a whole backstory and episode to it.


I fail to see how they are important based on what happened in the show.

You are absolutely correct about many things...the first season of LOST was classic, groundbreaking television, that fell apart the second season because the major theme of the first season, getting off the island, was thrown by the wayside with the introduction of Desmond, the Numbers, and Dharma. The result is a show that is just a pale imitation of what it was the first season.

Don't expect to find much sympathy here, many that felt as you do have simply stopped posting, and, as many have suggested to you, have stopped watching the show. Millions have.

I think we have every right to feel jaded that the Monster, first introduced in the pilot episode, has not been explained to any certainty by now. The reason I believe, is because back then they had no idea what the origin of the Monster would be, and I believe just as strongly that when the Hatch was first revealed, TPTB didn't know what or who was inside, nor the agenda of the "Others". The first season introduced all these cool concepts that drew us in, and when the fans finally demanded some answers, they were full of contrived plot holes and less fancifull then what viewers were expecting.

I wish I could get back the hours that I spent last year debating the meaning of the Mural in the Hatch hallway...why Desmond was injecting himself with Vaccine...the purpose of the Lockdown procedure...the scribblings on the hidden Hatch Map...why Marvin Candle seemed to be missing an arm...why Micheal was able to leave the island but not Desmond in his sailboat...Why Walt was appearing all wet and talking backwards to Shannon...the mysterious "voices" ...why Locke was able to predict the weather...the list goes on and on.

You must admit to yourself that the show you started watching in 2004 is gone. Rest In Peace...it was great television. To continue watching the show, you must make peace with that fact, as I have, and lower your standards. Once the episode is over, I no longer think about it, I don't talk about it, I don't analyze what I just learned....there is no use in doing so.

Sure, go ahead and have a fun time debating if Locke blew up the sub or not, cause when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter...TPTB will only re-visit these issues if it suits them or they have run out of story ideas.


Ditto. I used to lay in bed awake on Wednesday nights, weirded out thinking about this show and trying to theorize on all the bizarre elements and seeming links and meanings. Now I fall right asleep afterwards. I can't even remember half the stuff that happened during Seasons One and Two anymore.

After the Season Two finale, I lowered my expectations to campy dumbed-down entertainment and now enjoy watching the show in snark mode.

I'm just glad I never dropped money on the dvd's.

This I agree 100% with. It's a big WTF?

The show didn't make them iconic at all...it just was filler. They killed off two unliked characters and didnt' need to devote a whole backstory and episode to it.


I fail to see how they are important based on what happened in the show.

Well I don't think it was specified that they would prove to be iconic right away. Maybe it was. I haven't listened to that podcast. So if they made it out to seem like we would understand the "iconic" nature of Paulo and Nikki right away then I stand corrected. But it's possible that we just won't find out right away.

I think part of being a Lost fan is patience and just being along for the ride assuming things get will cleared up eventually in the end (or at least I hope so). And in the meantime, enjoy going nuts week to week with new theories and speculations :)

can we please stop arguing over if the show is good or not?

if you hate it so much now, then just stop watching it, no big deal...

and its just a tv show, don't feel betrayed if it didnt go in the direction you were hoping.

. So does this mean we wont see a 4th post from you?
lol, you have just given me a giggle skyjuice - nicely put!

I am a die hard Lost fan, as most of us are. And, although I was never a Pikki lover, far from it, and didn't enjoy Expose because of that fact, I'm hooked and will follow the show till the end. So, on that note, to the original poster of this thread, I have two words for you...remote control.

I'm sure there were some general things were planned at or near the beginning but there's no doubt that many things have been made up as they go and pieced together. The real questions may be; how much has been planned, what specific things were not planned, how well have they followed plans, and what mistakes we made and what ideas were changed or abandoned altogether. Who knows where the whole Nikki and Paulo debacle fits in.



David Fury, Lost co-executive producer and writer 2004-2005
from Rolling Stone, October 6, 2005

"There was absolutely no master plan on Lost. Anybody who said that was lying.”

"On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything, and I'm here to tell you no -- a lot of things are just arbitrary.

Fury, who wrote "Walkabout", also adds that he always tried to connect random elements to give the illusion that it was all adding up to soemthing.

Fury also says many plot elements were made up on the fly and cites Hurley winning the lottery as an example. He said that was made up when it was time to write the first Hurley episode.


In a long resonse on his blog, Javi attempts to refute Fury but confirms the Hurley lottery story as not being planned out. Seeing as how Hurley and "the numbers" have been a huge part of Lost, some may find this disturbing...


Javier Grillo-Marxuach, Lost supervising producer, writer 2004-2006

"As the creator of the Hurley backstory that was discarded in favor of the lottery winner story, I can say that, indeed, the original hurley backstory (he was supposed to have been the world’s greatest repo man, sent to australia on a mission to get his biggest prize yet) just didn’t work and had to go. It would have made for lousy television."


Oh please dont repeat the Fury interview, that guy is LYING cuz he got kicked out.
Damon and Carlton have made many statements about this issue since, everything they introduce to the viewers they know the background of, when Boone first tripped over the hatch they knew there was a guy in it, etc.
So obviously they know what the monster is
In last podcast a guy asked if the map drawn by Danielle in season one showed a small Island off the coast, and if that island was "Alcatraz island".
Thats something we haven't seen till season 3 that they had worked on in season one.

This is a 5 season show, it might last longer, but the overall storyarc is meant to last 5 seasons.
Of course they know the overall answer to everything we are wondering about, but they also add stuff from script to script to keep things interesting and fresh.


-Exodus

After the Season Two finale, I lowered my expectations to campy dumbed-down entertainment and now enjoy watching the show in snark mode.


I hear you. Halfway through last seasons 2 hour finale, I realized it was moving too slow for any real closure with Micheal and Walts storyline...and sure enough it just ended with Jack and company knowingly walking into a trap, for the 2nd or 3rd time last season, and Michael and Walt sailing off into the sunset. I felt totally deflated, like the joke was on me. I wasn't going to be played the chump again so I stopped caring.

I don't hate LOST. I'm just terribly disappointed that it seems like all the potential has been squandered and it's turned into some sort of Mystery Island Sci Fi soap opera.

Im betting that those of you that think LOST hasn't skipped a beat are big Stephen King fans. I know he adores this show and TPTB are huge fans of his...and that's what scares me. Admittedly, I have never read a single book of his, but every movie I have seen based on his writing seems to fall flat on its face at the end (the hand of God?)

King himself has expressed his opinion, that in a story, it's the journey that he's most interested in writing about, not how it ends...which speaks volumes. For me, LOST is a mystery, and all good mysteries must come to a satisfying conclusion as chapters close out or new arcs are taken, not to be shrouded in ambiguity...that's just cheap. I fear that is the direction TPTB (and ABC) are steering the show.

You cannot opine on Stephen King if you haven't read his books. The "hand of god" was actually a very pivotol, cool part of The Stand. In the movie, it looked cheesy. Most of the movies based on his books are terrible because his books are steeped in psychological thrills which are best left to the imagination. FYI, if you haven't figured out that Lost concerns, in part, each's survivor's journey through life, you're missing a huge theme of the show.

1. I totally understand the frustration of the original poster here. They had love for a show and feel they have been let down. OK.

2. With a show like Lost, not every episode can be as great as Man From Tallahasse. Some weeks will be better/worse than others. I think the reason why so many are outraged with the Nikki and Paolo episode is that, like the very characters themselves, Expose had terrible timing. You don't follow up one of the best epis ever with what was clearly the worst one ever-it's too much of a let down.

We were all so hyped up to see Locke deal with dear ol dad this week, it was that much worse to be forced to stomach and hour of he and she diamond-stealing
moron-bimbos. And I think at this point we are all a little gun shy afraid that the writers simply WON'T pick back up where they left off with Locke, because they have done the exact same thing with other plot twists (4-toed foot anyone??)

3. So while I can see why the poster is frustrated, I would certainly not agree with the statement that Lost is "runied" or that it "sucks". I simply have to accept the fact (hope) that good things really will come to those of us who wait.

:hissy:

Whoa dude. Chill pill.

Watch something else then. It's just T.V.

Again, why? If you used to love the show and it is ruined for you, stop. Remember the the season(s) you liked. You can read about the secrets and know the ending without actually watching the show. I don't understand this determination to inflick pain on yourself and then keep blaming others for it. Just. Stop. Watching.
Simply, because I want to. Please remember that it's nobody's place to tell anyone else what they should be doing with their time. For the time being, I don't have any pressing obligations at 10pm on Wednesday nights, so I will continue to watch Lost even though I am more and more disappointed with it as the weeks go by. Very simply, I'm curious as to how the story will play out. And that's the last I will say regarding why I don't have to "stop watching" so I hope that is satisfying enough.

Oh please dont repeat the Fury interview, that guy is LYING cuz he got kicked out.


-Exodus



David Fury must be doing something right since he is now working for 24. At least when I saw last weeks show he was. :cool:

***mod Edit for rudeness**

Also damon and carlton have both been on the show since the show started...damon is one of the creators, so i dont get how damon ruined it since he took over...and they do have answers to everything and they know whats going to happen, but they have to throw some filler to kill time(why they asked to end the show within next 2 seasons)...also they throw alot of hidden stuff in there, read thetailsection.com articles and youll see what im talking about. And also like its been said, they cant just reveal everything right away and satisfy everyone who watches. And im sure they like to reveal things when they need to be revealed, when the story in an episode calls for it.

Okay... I know that people should be allowed to express their viewpoints at all, but I am getting tired of people who just join the Lage to post their frustrations and then leave. No offense, but can't these people just stop watching and stop clogging our forums with this stuff?

And I don't think that Lost is ruined... at all... just because Nikki and Paulo showed up. I actually liked that episode, and I wasn't a big fan of Pikki.

***MOD EDIT**.
You spew that venom and dare to quote The Lord's Prayer in your sig???

David Fury must be doing something right since he is now working for 24. At least when I saw last weeks show he was. :cool:

Uh yeah.. he moved down from Lost to 24.

-Exodus

Okay... I know that people should be allowed to express their viewpoints at all, but I am getting tired of people who just join the Lage to post their frustrations and then leave. No offense, but can't these people just stop watching and stop clogging our forums with this stuff?

And I don't think that Lost is ruined... at all... just because Nikki and Paulo showed up. I actually liked that episode, and I wasn't a big fan of Pikki.


thank you....i liked it too. i feel like one or two people hate it everyone has to say yea i hated it too,follow the leader. Evry single show in history has had one two three even 10 bad episodes, just how it goes. eahc show has to go on for as long as possible so the network can make money, so there will always be alot of filler stuff in there, no matter what show it is. just watch enjoy, and if you dont like it(like howard stern says) turn that sh*t off or turn the channel, theres a reason theres other stations on.

thank you....i liked it too. i feel like one or two people hate it everyone has to say yea i hated it too,follow the leader. Evry single show in history has had one two three even 10 bad episodes, just how it goes. eahc show has to go on for as long as possible so the network can make money, so there will always be alot of filler stuff in there, no matter what show it is. just watch enjoy, and if you dont like it(like howard stern says) turn that sh*t off or turn the channel, theres a reason theres other stations on.The problem is alot of people (including myself) absolutely loved lost for the first season or so but then it started going down hill. I really want to like lost because i've invested so much time and energy into watching and researching theories on the net, but the outlook is quite bleak to be honest.

Then there is the issue of zealots kissing a** :kiss: which can be frustrating. The writers could smack some members here around the face, key their car, and they would absolutely love it.

***MOD EDIT...***

The point is folks, if you think Lost has gotten so bad, you don't need to watch it any more. I just don't see how one really bad episode (and yes, I agree it was really bad) equals saying that the show is ruined and that it sucks.

I have noticed that my enjoyment of each episode is directly related to which writer or writers wrote it-there is one writer that I have found I hate everything SHE writes. No names though.

Okay everyone...

Everyone has a right to express an opinion. If you don't like it..fine...say why but don't attack the poster.

Okay... I know that people should be allowed to express their viewpoints at all, but I am getting tired of people who just join the Lage to post their frustrations and then leave. No offense, but can't these people just stop watching and stop clogging our forums with this stuff?

I agree 100%.

It also bothers me when people use the "it's my opinion" excuse to say inflammatory stuff. Of course everybody has a right to an opinion, but there that opinion should be expressed in a respectful (and hopefully argumentatively coherent) manner. It's like you can say anything you want, no matter how offensive it may be, and then recieve immunity simply because "it's your opinion".

if you don't like the show why bother watching it i swear some people are beyond belief

Some are unhappy with it, don't watch it anymore if you hate it so much.

As for the person who started this thread, if you don't like it, DON'T WATCH IT!


Then stop watching it. If you can no longer enjoy the show for what it is, stop watching.


Why? Seems to me if it's this painful you should stop watching.


I get that its hard to let go when you've been so devoted to a show, but if you are really this dissatisfied, I do suggest you stop watching, at least for a while.

Pereli all you have to do is just stop watching, that simple. No one really cares if you watch or don't.


if you hate it so much now, then just stop watching it, no big deal...


So, on that note, to the original poster of this thread, I have two words for you...remote control.


Watch something else then. It's just T.V.

No offense, but can't these people just stop watching and stop clogging our forums with this stuff?.

just watch enjoy, and if you dont like it(like howard stern says) turn that sh*t off or turn the channel, theres a reason theres other stations on.


The point is folks, if you think Lost has gotten so bad, you don't need to watch it any more.

If you're really that frustrated with the show, then just stop watching it.


Could not have put it better, go and watch somthing less taxing like American Idol or Desperate Housewives.




Well Pereli, it looks like your fellow fans have determined that you should not watch Lost anymore or post here to express your opinions.

Just wondering... if one fan is allowed to tell another not to watch anymore because they express criticism, are we allowed to tell fans who are sick of reading critcisms to stop reading criticisms and posting responses? Surely it must work both ways.









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The mods never said that you couldn't retaliate, just that you can't attack them.

Uh yeah.. he moved down from Lost to 24.

-Exodus



Except I would say it's a move up. :biggrin:

Yeah going from an intricate and complex mystery show to a cheesy action show...

Kudos to the OP for speaking his mind. I welcome it whole heartedly. I don't think he should watch...or NOT watch the show anymore. Being fed up is totally his perogative...as is everyone who agrees with his frustration with Lost.

That's the beauty of the `Lage, folks....Differences in opinions.

Me? I loved Expose. I realize TPTB dropped some huge bombs on us with TMFT last week...and I think a lot of us wanted tonight's eppy to immediately return to the aftermath of that storyline...But...y'know what...this is LOST. They've been doing things like this from the get go...drop a bomb...shift the storyline. For some, like the OP...this tactic is very frustrating.

Have I hated eppys in the past...eppys that made me rethink this was the best show on TV? Absolutely!! Last season's Charlie "religious" flashback eppy...with Hurley in the biblical robes, etc. It was an utterly pointless affair. It did not move the story forward one inch in the big picture...nor did it show us anything "new" about Charlie that we didn't already know. It was like TPTB took that week off. There are others I could have done without...But that would be splitting hairs. Every season is gonna have at least one stinker...perhaps two. It's the nature of the beast.

There are some eppys of CSI where I figure out "who done it" in the first 5 minutes...thus renderinng the rest of the show mundane. Same with 24...there have been some laugh out loud awful eppys on that show every season as the writers scramble to keep the tension at full throttle every single episode. But...y'know what? They can't. Just once I'd love to see Jack Bauer say "Y'know what, CTU? I haven't taken a dump in 20 hours...can we take a break for 10 minutes?"...But that'll never happen!! But you would certainly remember THAT episode for the rest of your life.

However, on Lost...occasionally....TPTB can stop and smell the roses (and the Bernards)...and I think that's what happened with Expose on Wednesday. They took these two poorly introduced characters (btw...their main introduction -- getting caught having sex in Jack's empty tent -- was cut from the Season 3 premiere due to time...I'm sure this important scene will be included on the S3 DVD) and decided to show us what life has been like for the peripheral characters who inhabit the same island as our featured Losties. Remember....48 people survived the crash of flight 815...we've only met half...and there are more Nikki & Paulos who will be introduced...immerging from the background....infringing on our beloved character's time & turf.

I never really warmed up to Nikki & Paulo either...but I also realize that Losties are gonna die (Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby, Eko)...or mysteriously disappear (Walt, Michael, Cindy & the kids)...and more characters will be needed to fill that void. We met and fell in love...sometimes hate...with the Tailies. Nikki & Paulo weren't really afforded that chance. But I don't think Expose was worthless...because it really wasn't about them. Let's not forget...they spent over half the eppy laying silent on the ground.

Expose was a look into Locke...Sayid...Jack...Kate...etc...from the perspective of the red shirts...exposing, if you will, that the rest of the surviviors of the 815 crash ALSO have lives going on...and did and do interact with the main cast of Losties....and even a few Others...while marooned on the island...even though we never get to SEE this because we are mainly focused on the main cast's storylines.

I liken it to the episode of M*A*S*H* where the surgeons of the 4077 were seen completely from the eyes of an injured soldier. It gave you a look at Hawkeye, BJ, Hot Lips and the rest of the gang in a way that was completely different than any episode before or after. (Btw...that soldier NEVER spoke a line -- much like N & P didn't -- and it won an Emmy for writing). In other words, they stopped to smell the roses.

We saw some clever interweaving of scenes we're already familiar with (The crash, Jack's speech, etc)...but the scenes we HADN'T seen before were far more telling.

Shannon chastizing Boone for trying to pick up guys at the airport, thus outing and original Lostie.

That Nikki & Paulo found a hatch long before Locke's "mystical" finding of the Swan...they just "stumbled" across the Pearl...no weird island shennanigans or visions...they just stepped on a door and opened it...which tells you that "destiny" doesn't necessarily apply to everyone....sometimes...it's just an accident.

They pondered the monster...What the heck is it? A dinosaur? None of our original Losties ever had a conversation like this...which was always very frustrating to me...that they never discussed this amazing phenomenon. It's nice to see that the red shirts in the background were certainly curious.

We got an insight into our favorite exploding junior high school teacher, Arntz...That he was adjusting well to being stuck on Craphole Island...fancying himself as making all kinds of important scientific discoveries...not unlike the Dharma Inititive was doing 30 years earlier. Too bad he got kablooyied...Imagine how much help he would have been to the Losties had he lived to share more of his knowlege with them.

Bottom line is...without Expose...we'd never had gotten these new insights.

The playful pacing of Expose was also a reason I enjoyed it so much. After that opening salvo of six episodes of Kate and Sawyer locked in cages...doing manual labor, breaking up rocks and moving them around...I was worried Lost has lost its step. Those first 6 eppys of season 3 sure did crawl along, for me anyways. But the backwards storytelling in Expose was a great idea...as well as the first GOOD playful flashback sequences since Charlie's ridiculous diaper commercial flashback. (Billy Dee Williams? Priceless.) The fact that you never knew if Paulo was backstabbing Nikki...or vice versa was also well done...right up to the very end.

And we still got some long-standing resolutions to our main Losties storylines...Charlie confessing to Sun's kidnapping plot...and Sawyer's showdown with her at the cemetary. I've been wondering when that would come out...and I don't think we've heard the end of that...I have a feeling Jin will learn his supposed "friends" betrayed him and injured his wife.

I really thought TPTB had lost their minds giving dead people flashbacks the whole eppy. It reminded me of the schlocky horror movie, the original The Hills Have Eyes...where TPTB of that film gave a German Sheppard a darn flashback!! I was thinking the whole eppy...They have jumped the shark with this...Dead people can't have FLASHBACKS!! And even Vincent's desperate attempts to uncover the "dead duo" didn't clue me in to the fact that they might still be alive. I know for a fact...when that cold dirt started raining down on LIVE human beings...Stephen King was smiling somewhere...as was I. That sick twist was brilliantly executed...(pardon the pun).

There's a ton more reasons why I didn't think Expose sucked. Was it a lil "off the beaten path"? Surely. Did it ruin Lost? Not at all, IMO. I'll take an eppy where TPTB stop to smell the roses over an episode has a flashback that offers NO new insight to the character...or doesn't move the plot forward an inch.

Now...if TPTB give Vincent a flashback...THEN we can talk about Lost being ruined! But I salute your right, OP, to do so any time you wish. Namaste.

Well Pereli, it looks like your fellow fans have determined that you should not watch Lost anymore or post here to express your opinions.

Just wondering... if one fan is allowed to tell another not to watch anymore because they express criticism, are we allowed to tell fans who are sick of reading critcisms to stop reading criticisms and posting responses? Surely it must work both ways.

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It absolutely does work both ways. Which is why I personally don't go in to the "hated it" forums. Even if I didn't care for an episode. But my impression from the original post was that this person totally hated the show across the board. It was "ruined", it "sucked", hated it. So based on that I think most people can't help but wonder, why keep watching a show you "hate"? It seems very simple, if you dislike something that you have control over why subject yourself to it? There are certain things that we can control and certain things we can't. I hate mornings, unfortunatly for me they are unavoidable.
I can't stand Bill Maher, therefore I don't watch it.
I got the impression this person was a fan for season one but seems to have really despised the show since so it does, naturally, beg the question, why are you still watching? Yes the answers are long in coming but if we got the answers too soon then what would be left to watch?
A bunch of people sitting around a camp fire eating smores?!! :biggrin:
And really, isn't the mystery what drug most of us in to the show to begin with?
I agree, I wasn't really a fan of Pikki, however I didn't think the play out of their demise was that bad. There have, in my personal and unprofessional opinion, been MUCH worse episodes then expose. However even with the handful of cruddy, head scratching episodes, there are still the ones that we all have to watch over and over again and be amazed that there aren't more shows as interesting and well written as LOST.
The ones that keep the show from being ruined and sucking.

If you're really that frustrated with the show, then just stop watching it. There are plenty of Law & Orders and CSIs and whatever other crime shows on television that wrap up neatly in one hour. Perhaps one of those would be better for you instead of a mythology show.

Everyone needs to step back and think before they post again.

The OP is expressing his/her frustration for a show that they obviously enjoyed at one point in time, and may not be enjoying presently. This sentiment is not his/her's alone, there are alot of other people who used to enjoy the show as well. People who are expressing discontent with the show do so on this site because it is run by the creators, in hopes of making a difference in where Lost is heading, and that is fine. It is the reason they are posting here at the Fuselage and not on one of the many other Lost forums on the internet.

That being said, there are alot of people who are still enjoying the show, and are frustrated by those who are not. This does not mean anyone can bash them for their opinions, tell them to stop watching, etc. The point is, they don't want to stop watching!! Otherwise they would not be here expressing their opinions.

So here is what you can do:

Agree with the poster, and say your peace

Disagree with the poster, DO NOT harass them for their opinion, and state your case

DO NOT POST in this thread if you feel the need to attack someone who has already posted..

There are plenty of threads for people who love the show and are no longer in love with the show. Find the appropriate forum if you cannot say something constructive, where others who share you feelings are posting.

This thread has been going back and forth all day, and before it gets out of hand and closed down, step back and think before posting.

Thanks

I'm confused by Pereli's frustration with the podcasts. Apparently there is some controversy now concerning the "don't watch the show" reccomendatoins. However, I feel that listening to the podcasts is going above and beyond the call of duty, for a fan, and therefore I think it reasonable to suggest that you stop listening to them. It's not like it's on network tv, you actually have to go out of your way to listen to them. Anyways, that's just my opinion..... ;)

Ator - Great post. I think the "red shirt point of view" attitude is the right way to approach Expose. Even though it's admitedly a stand-alone (or filler?) episode, I would still take an ep like Expose over Stranger In a Strange Land any day. At lease Expose was original.

Hello everyone. No hard feelings for the ugly comments. Please disregard the 7 or 8 post that i have, ive been on the lage since the very beginning, before they switched stuff up and i had to change names. my point is, i know how things work on here and im not trying to make ANYONE hate lost or think that it sucks. believe me i wish lost all the best...i hope they get 30 million viewers every week, trust me. Im just very frustrated. I get the feeling a lot of people havent watched lost since 04...maybe they picked it up on dvd or something, i dont know. but for the people who have watched once a week for the last three years they have to feel me at least a little bit. its not about wanting all the answers right away or even quickly. its about giving us SOMETHING.....ANYTHING. But Ive already said all that.....im just writing this to let people know that im not agains lost......i dont have time to create a 'lostsucks' site, even if i wanted to. and as i said on my post...anyone who has invested this much time into it is going to finish it out. of course im going to finish watching. and i encourage everyone else to. that doesntt change the fact that its not a good show anymore. its not the worse, but its not good. every week is just another tease, followed by previews of further teases that never come to play. I want people to know that lost will not end well. none of us will be satisfied, if you admit it or not. And I do have a right to blame damon and carlton.....yes they have been here since the beginning, but in the beginning JJ had a lot to do with it. as well as numerous writers who are no longer with the show for whatever reason. im saying that since they took over complete control.......that was the beginning of the downfall.

im just sick of the lies. telling us that the characters we knew and love will die for a purpose of the show. wasnt that there statement...that every death is for the benifet of the show. I still dont know the purpose of boones death....oh yeah it was to "set up the feud between jack and locke" oh wait......what happend to that? Hell, is jack even on the show anymore? what about walt? I want to know more about his "special powers", but I guess ill have to forget about that. what about claires baby? is that going to come into play in the next two years? if it takes them 3 and a half years to tell us how locke lost his legs or how the plane crashed how are they going to make aarons story compelling in the next TWO years?


I write these negative post because I feel i have a right to. I feel ive earned that right. as i said, ive been here from the beginning. and at the beginning the lage wasnt just a place to praise lost....but to debate.
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Also i have to clear this up because its starting to bug me.:biggrin: for all you posters who tell me to stop watching thats fine, tell me to stop posting....thats fine. However, understand this. the "5 posts" by my name mean absolutely nothing. Ive been here from the beginning....under a different name, before they switced servers or whatever. i had more posts then 10 of you combined alright. ive had the 5 stars and all that. I see some of you joined in 07. come on 07....or 06. thats very, very, very late. I may mess up some of the spelling of the names but I remember waltisfuture, baileysdad, vertical, diablo, burningstar, the very interesting TIBERIOUS...etc,etc. those guys are OLD SCHOOL. Im not saying in any way that they agree with me, thats just to show some of the people who have been here a while that im not new to the lage. if you dont know who any of those people are, please dont mention newbie to me. So again, its nothing personal to anyone, i respect all of your opinions, but this comes from passion, okay. passion. I love this show.:hypocrit: .....I hate this show:hypocrit: . Im sure some of you have said that about a brother sister mother father once or twice. take it in context.

But then again i was a Babylon 5 fan, and we we where also kept in the dark for three years about what the hell these shadow things was all about, but once the reveal came out, it was all the the better for it, and after we knew we all missed the time we didn't know, just so we could find out all over again.

But the thing is that with B5 every episode of season 1-4 was great, save a few (TKO, Grail, GROPOS and Grey 17 Is Missing spring to mind). In a episode little bit more was revealed about the Shadows and the Vorlons and they built on each other although they worked well as individual episodes too.

I was really hoping Lost would have the same level of quality in developing it's arc but it has disappointed me this season with the exception of 2 or 3 episodes. Sadly, it's reminding me of how shows like Twin Peaks and X Files lost their way. It isn't too late for them to fix the damage but it's close.

I don't think anyone would disagree that the show has changed since S1. Recently, while watching the dvds, I've realized how awesome the cinemtography was in S1. They used that kind of film that has really high contrast, and they did all these really ambitious camera shots, where the camera would circle around the character, etc. Lost doesn't really have that quality anymore.

But, on the other hand, I think the acting has improved; in some sense by leaps and bounds. Now, there are a lot of actors that contribute to Lost, and of course they're not all of the same quality. Regardless, I really think TPTB upped the ante with Michael Emerson. He's amazing. Really. I can't think of anyone who's a better actor. Henry Ian Cusick is also incredible. I think these additions really have made invaluble contributions to the show.

I also think that questions are getting answered right now at a faster rate than ever, except for maybe certain bits of S2. People who complain about a lack of answers often reminisce about the good old days of S1. Honestly, were any questions answered in S1?? I think a lot of us would agree that S1 was the most answer-deficient season so far.

Pereli - I think that when the show ends, half of us are going to be very wrong, and half very right. But right now, I don't see how you can predict that the conclusion to the series is not going to "satisfy any of us". If it's done right I think Lost will take it's place as one of the best shows of all time. If it's messed up, well, maybe then I'll "feel you".....

On a side note, does anybody know if JJ has anything to do with the show anymore?? Is he involved at all??

Well, Admiral, Darlton say that they call JJ and JJ calls them and they talk about the scripts and stories and such. So JJ's opinion and input still matters to them. So it would be wrong to say he has NO influence on LOST at all. Still, he pretty much turned it over to Darlton about halfway thru Season 1. He had Mission Impossible III to make. Also, it's JJ's way of operating. He doesn't stay at the helm of shows he creates. He leads or helps lead a concept into production and on the air. And remains available for consultation throughout the run of any of his projects. But he's not the in-charge type of guy. He's the idea guy. Nothing wrong with that! But anyone who thinks that Damon (and Carlton) weren't majorly involved from the get-go needs to rethink that. Damon was as responsible for launching LOST as JJ; Carlton was quickly brought in to fill the gap JJ would be leaving. (And yes, they knew JJ would be leaving soon enough from the get-go.)

That's the background, from everything I've read and heard. Of course, if LOST has taught me anything, it's "don't believe everything you read and hear!" :D

Man, why does everyone forget about Fury and Javi? Yes, Damon and Carlton were there from the get-go, but to think that they were controlling it all along is just playing into their illusion of coming up with Lost's master plan. I believe that they have total control now, but I'm betting that they didn't when alot of the major mythology was created.

Lost was ruined at season 2. It's taking some people longer to realize it. Some people actually have faith in it.

I just stop by these forums once in a while to get a sit rep on it and look to see if anything has been revealed about the monster. The monster still intrigues me.

WAAH WAAH its been 3 years!! WAAH WAAH!!

Could not have put it better, go and watch somthing less taxing like American Idol or Desperate Housewives.

Lost is an intellgent thought provoking series and thats VERY rare these days. The only other series like this I can think of is Babylon 5, that just like Lost took 5 years to tell its story. I see it like book, one page at a time, would you want to go to the last chapter to see how it ends , NO.
Just sit back and enjoy the ride, you don't know the whole story.

If you want an intellegent look at last weeks episode Expose, have a look at this tread....

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=74443

Regarding the podcasts, I'm thankful the producers can give their time to answer questions, but they have to be on there guard not to give anything away, which can be frustrating.

One last thing to help you on your way
http://abc.go.com/primetime/desperate/

All I have to say about this show is at least ABC hasn't screwed it up like Alias. telling the writers to stop writing about the big picture to make it viewer friendly. That was my favorite show before Lost. If you want to talk about a show that was ruined, just watch Alias to see what that really looks like. Every show i have ever watched has at least one season that is bellow par. If you love this show you just need to be patient if you are not patient watch something like Family Guy or a sitcom. At least this show also didn't end up like Carnavale, another favorite of mine that was canceled. So image if Lost had been canceled after season one and then you can understand how that feels. Just be patient if you can't be just stop watching the show until the DVD comes out then you can skip over stuff like Nikki and Paulo.

The only other series like this I can think of is Babylon 5, that just like Lost took 5 years to tell its story.

But B5 did a better job of advancing the arc plot over the first 4 seasons. Season 5 was a bit of mess since they didn't know they would be filming it until the very last minute. Perhaps that's what made B5's story line better, a sense of urgency to get it told before their iffy syndication financing ran out. With a few exceptions, every B5 episode was as cool and exciting as Enter 77 and Man From Tallahassee was (although Terry O'Quinn is a much better actor than Bruce Boxleitner).

I think Lost was on target most of the time until this season and now it's gone off the rails, at least in part and not yet unredeemably so. Maybe the network has requested them to produce these filler episodes in order to drag the story out for several more seasons so they can milk what they see as a cash cow. I say to them, get the original story told within a 4 season timeframe and if the network and the people want more create a new story. Do a prequel series or one that builds on the foundation of the original story arc. Just don't stretch out the current story arc with meaningless episodes or have it wallow in contrived and convoluted never solved mysteries.

I'm a HUGE B5 fan and participated in many chat sessions from about the middle of the third season when I first started watching it to its end in the 5th season. It's mythology was not difficult at all to pick up midway through the series and it didn't alter my enjoyment of it one iota -- I simply went back and caught up on old episodes. So, I find the argument that it's too hard to "get into" LOST if you haven't been into it from the beginning a fallacy. Even moreso now because in the intervening years since B5 was on it has become easier to get one's hands on old episodes than it used to be. Between videotape, Tivo, planned DVD releases and the web the only excuse someone would have for not being able to catch up at this point is either lack of finances(certainly a legitimate reason and not an excuse) or true lack of motivation, which is a huge excuse.

To continue the similarities and differences: The series creator, Michael J. Straczynski, conceived of the show with a 5-year arc. Seasons 1 and 2 were the exposition, Season 3 was the clash and seasons 4 and 5 were the resolution. However, the original network dropped Babylon 5 after its third season and TNT picked it up for season 4. My memory gets a little foggy here, but I believe TNT did not give the green light to go ahead for season 5 until very late in the game (it may even have been that a third network wound up saving the 5th season, but I truly can't recall). The creator even had talks with the SciFi network to see if they would pick it up(at the time TNT was all about wrestling and not much else and Straczynski was horrified by things like the amount of bikini-clad women the network wanted added to the show).

Since he had always intended the show to have a 5 year arc, it was both nerve-wracking for the fans and somewhat of a challenge for Straczynski not knowing if the series would have to be ended early.

Having said all of that, I remember four things with perfect clarity: #1, Straczynki had the plan from the outset that the show would never go beyond 5 seasons. He felt that much could be filled in with made-for-tv movies and understood that he could always write a two-hour movie to sum up the series if necessary. In fact, he actually wrote a number of movies that filled in some of the gaps in the 5-year arc anyway. With LOST, there was no such understanding with the network; #2, Straczynski was incredibly accessible to the fans, much like Damon and Carlton; #3 the original network kept changing the time slot and fans went nuts saying the time slot is what ruined ratings; and #4 that fan base whined and complained like crazy starting at the beginning of the 4th season that the show wasn't good anymore, it sucked, it wasn't exciting, there was too much emphasis on romance between two of the characters, that the writer didn't know what he was doing, there were plot holes, that the first three seasons were the only good seasons and he should have ended it at season 3, etc., etc. Is any of this sounding familiar?

Watching a television show is much like having a relationship. At the outset, you can't wait to be with the other person and one tends to overlook his or her faults, because it's so new and exciting. As time goes on, familiarlity leads to predictability, boredom and a sort of "ownership" where each partner feels it necessary to share what he or she believes the other one's faults are, in an effort to "fix" what's wrong with the other person.

While I was sad to see this happen in the B5 community and I am even more sad to see it happen here because I love LOST more than any other show I've seen, it's not a surprise to me. Human nature is human nature.

IfNikki and Paulo ARE iconic characters now. The entire point of their introduction was to send a message to the fans who say, "There is no plan."

EVERYTHING Nikki and Paulo did made no sense until Expose. Now, everything they did makes sense.

That doesn't really prove much. It's not hard to make a bunch of random events and connect them later. I've done it before when I've written stories. And they make sense too.

I'm not saying I don't believe that there's a plan. I'm still trying to figure out what I believe.

That doesn't really prove much. It's not hard to make a bunch of random events and connect them later. I've done it before when I've written stories. And they make sense too.

I'm not saying I don't believe that there's a plan. I'm still trying to figure out what I believe.


In the end, why does it matter if many little things were planned at the outset or if they simply wound up connecting the dots later, as long as the final result is satisfying? It takes a good writer to accomplish either task.

I suspect it has more to do with fans' fears of an ultimate letdown at the end of the story than it has to do with which way the story gets written, and we won't know how satisfied we'll be until the end anyway. Good is good no matter how you do it.

I never said I had a problem with it.

#4 that fan base whined and complained like crazy starting at the beginning of the 4th season that the show wasn't good anymore, it sucked, it wasn't exciting, there was too much emphasis on romance between two of the characters, that the writer didn't know what he was doing, there were plot holes, that the first three seasons were the only good seasons and he should have ended it at season 3, etc., etc. Is any of this sounding familiar?

Exactly.

This is why i find posts like the one that started this thread so stupid.
He wants the answers, he cries cuz he is not getting them, but as soon as he actually does he will be one of the first ppl here posting that the show isn't good anymore.

Its B5 all over again.

Not knowing who the shadows where and what their relationship with the Vorlons where was a major issue during the first seasons, and we loved every episode that deal with that issue, and hated everything else, seeing them as fillers.
But once we finally got all the answers we wanted a lot of the magic was gone, and we missed the time when we didn't know.

Which is why i love Lost.

Cuz we still don't know, and its driving us up the wall.
Enjoy it, these are the good times after they let it slip we can NEVER go back again.
Even someone who buys Lost on DVD after the series is over will be spoiled cuz he will have heard about it somewhere even before he gets to it himself.


It doesn't get much better then this guys.


-Exodus

I've been watching Lost since mid second season, and I'm fed up. It's funny, because me an a few friends used to watch Lost religiously, they actually got me into it. But none of them watch the show anymore and if it weren't for TIVO, I wouldn't watch the show either. I absolutely never watch the show live, and I constantly skip through the boring flashbacks.

Actually, I just started watching Lost about a year ago on DVD. I watched the first season in five days. When I was finished, the second season had started two months ago... That was torture...

What makes me sad is that people like you are almost rooting for it to go off the air. Personally I want it to be on as long as possible, becuase there is nothing else better on than lost so why hurry it off. That and keep in mind that the writiers do not actually listen to the fans. They are not going to do what any us want. They are going to do what is in the best inertrest of the show and what ABC wants. That said if ABC wants to keep on as long as they want than they will.

Maybe Lost should be like CSI or Scooby-Doo with a different mysterious mystery in every episode. Replace Jack with Horatio, Hurley with Shaggy and Vincent with Scooby for [puts on dark glasses] maximum effect...

What I don't get is why everyone insists on labelling this episode a waste of time.

Personally I enjoyed it, I thought it was well acted, well put together and we learnt a few important things along the way (like the fact that the others were using the pearl station to see the activities in the swan). Albeit N&P might well be viewed as a waste of time as characters, but only we the viewers are truly aware as to how they died. To everyone on else (Hurley, Sawyer etc) it's going to be an ongoing mystery, and one that is going to haunt them.

I find that I, and my friends, don't spend any time on things we don't care about. For example, I abhor I Love Lucy, detest The Unit and hate Smallville with the passion of a thousand burning suns. I'll watch a few episodes of a show and if I conclude it isn't for me, that's the end of it. I don't go to message boards for fans of these shows and post imflammatory remarks designed to annoy the people who are chatting about enjoying their show. However, to be fair, it sounds that posters such as toxicbees once had a high level of interest in the show, but because the show has turned out to be different from the expectation they had of it at the outset, they're unhappy.

At the very least, my expectation from reading most posts is to first understand why the poster is making a statement/why the poster feels the way he does, and second, to see if the claim can be backed up with facts. Opinions are not facts, so I would say to any poster who has such a strong opinion: if you are hoping to influence someone else to your way of thinking, the only way to do it is to back it up with facts. Even then, someone else is free to interpret the "facts" you lay out merely as your personal feelings.

I have observed that watchers of Lost tend to fall into one of three groups: those who watch only for the mystery, those who watch mostly for the relationships, and those who are fine with both. It appears that the unhappiest group is the one who wants to show ONLY to be about the mystery. If that's what they watch it for, and if that's what they feel they are not getting enough of, it's understandable they would want to share their upset.

The trouble is, as early as the Pilot, two themes were clearly set up as the focus of the show - mystery and relationships. Any viewer who did not see that relationships would be as big as the mystery completely missed the point of the scenes where Kate insists on accompanying Jack to the cockpit and when Jack and Kate bond as she sews up his cut. If the characters are stuck on an island, you have two things to work with: who characters are/how they relate to other characters; and how they deal with living on the island/getting off the island.

And since I am on a roll, I am also duly sick and tired of hearing some people post that Heroes is a much better show because it brings up mysteries and then solves them. As a writer, if someone asked me which show would be easier to write for, there would be no contest! Hands down, the easier show to write for is Heroes -- absolutely ANYTHING on that show can be explained using fantasy; with Lost there is a much harder line to toe between reality and fantasy. Lost is also confined largely to the island, so how many new mysteries on the island can the writers come up with to solve in a few episodes before they really do have to bring back the Fonz jumping a shark?

Phew! I feel better.

In the end, why does it matter if many little things were planned at the outset or if they simply wound up connecting the dots later

This my friend is one of the silliest questions ive ever seen asked on this forum. I actually feel kind of stupid having to answer it. However, I will.

It matters, because since the start of this forum and others like it....the main focus has been creating theories....analyizing every single aspect and detail of the show. sometimes frame by frame. Although I never did, i was very grateful for those who did take the time to notice the little things and how they connect and what they might mean...and then shared them with us.

So i ask you...."ADoseOfYou" if it doesnt matter if the little things were planned out. What is the point of this very forum?

Season One and parts of Season Two were incredible due to the writing and mostly the acting. Focus more on the strong actors and characters. Nikki and Pauolo did nothing for me mostly because of the acting. The interaction with the main losties like Hurley, Jin, Sun, Michael, Sawyer, Kate and Charlie is what made the first two seasons for me. Please bring more depth and interaction back as you reveal the mysteries. That is what makes the show phenomenal. I'll believe anything you wirte as long as the strength of the core characters is still there. And thank you to all of those actors for making it so real.

This my friend is one of the silliest questions ive ever seen asked on this forum. I actually feel kind of stupid having to answer it. However, I will.

It matters, because since the start of this forum and others like it....the main focus has been creating theories....analyizing every single aspect and detail of the show. sometimes frame by frame. Although I never did, i was very grateful for those who did take the time to notice the little things and how they connect and what they might mean...and then shared them with us.

So i ask you...."ADoseOfYou" if it doesnt matter if the little things were planned out. What is the point of this very forum?


Pereli, I can see that I wasn't specific enough when I made that statement, so I'm happy to clarify. Since there is no way that at least five years of scripts could possibly be written immediately upon creating this show, it's not likey that every minute detail of Lost was fleshed out from the get-go. It makes sense to have had an overall treatment and to have planned a significant amount of connections. On the other hand, if I were writing for the series and in season 3 came up with a brand new idea, one completely different from the original direction, one that was much better than what everyone had first agreed on, it would be silly not to use it if it fit nicely with the basic design anyway. So, in that case, there is little difference as long as I get the same end result.

Hope the clarification helps.

Absolutely. That makes sense.

But people, the end started when damon took over.

You do know he's been there since the very beginning? Right? Because as for your premise, you're kind of wrong.

I have been feeling that Lost is floundering,...but I have been invested in it for so long that I do not see any point in bashing it. As it was said, time and time again, the writers are brilliant, but my biggest fear is that they were heading down one path, which was beginning to make sense to me, and they have not deviated from it so far, that I cannot follow their lead, I just do not like where it's heading....

I love this show, always have, but I began to see a deviation from "sense" to senseless after Abrams left,...so sort-of-left,...I do not know which is true, is sad.

I thought that they were going strong with the a theory-based idea,....I felt that the Heisenberg engine was going to expand soon, but it has not,....it would take a lot time to explain this, so I will not.

If anybody is familiar with this theory, good, maybe you all understand me, but my biggest fear from watching the new season, is that the writers are not using 'technical' people in order to advance the show in an intelligent vein.

I am sorry if I have offended anybody, but I am having trouble watching this season,...it's good, but not in the way that I though it would be.

I still say the Heisenberg theory would be the way to go,...to expand intelligently upon it, but my fear is that they have abandoned it in favor of some bubble-gum type of logic.

However, I do not want it to end. I do not want to be closed minded, so I will watch it no matter how it meanders, or ends. I love it, and hope it expands in a way that we can all be proud to be a part of.

Writers,....please don't sell us out. Please stay the course, stay intelligent, and thought-provoking. We are all too heavily invested, and I beg you, don't break our hearts over some sham of an ending, or silly trek.

Give us something big, something we can say we watched it, and brag about to the next generation. Lost has the power to become a legend, and I hope the writers will see it that way. Take us to the next level of tv viewing. Make it credible and fantastic!!! Smart!!! Not another silly Alias ending,....please have mercy!!!

Pereli, Kell is correct, Damon has been there since the very beginning. JJ and Damon were introduced by a mutual friend expressly for the purpose of developing this show, and they have both said in interviews that they hit it off immediately and completely agreed with one another on the plan for the show.

1dimpleonly, JJ Abrams doesn't appear to ever have been involved in the day-to-day business of the show.

but ive already been through this. I didnt bother responding to kell's post because its already been brought up. I know he was here since the beginning.....duh.:) But JJ left due to movie deals he had(not that i blame him). im saying since damon and carlton took over complete control, thats when it started to go downhill. They can say the talk to JJ everyday, i dont buy it. JJ has pretty much nothing to due with lost, look at how many movies he has in the works. No, i dont know that for a fact, but im sure someone does.

To me, an episode does not have to answer questions to be "good". Even though the characters were pointless, the storyline was still quite interesting.

My problem was with the long hiatis. It's like taking a break from your boyfriend for a few months ~ you may hook up with a couple other guys (or tv shows) during that time, get side-tracked, then when you get back together - it may be a bit of a let down.

The bottom line for me is it's still a great show. It's entertaining, the characters are great, it's written well and I can't wait for Wednesday night - period! I still love Lost - just not my ex.

I have been feeling that Lost is floundering,...but I have been invested in it for so long that I do not see any point in bashing it. As it was said, time and time again, the writers are brilliant, but my biggest fear is that they were heading down one path, which was beginning to make sense to me, and they have not deviated from it so far, that I cannot follow their lead, I just do not like where it's heading....

I love this show, always have, but I began to see a deviation from "sense" to senseless after Abrams left,...so sort-of-left,...I do not know which is true, is sad.

I thought that they were going strong with the a theory-based idea,....I felt that the Heisenberg engine was going to expand soon, but it has not,....it would take a lot time to explain this, so I will not.

If anybody is familiar with this theory, good, maybe you all understand me, but my biggest fear from watching the new season, is that the writers are not using 'technical' people in order to advance the show in an intelligent vein.

I am sorry if I have offended anybody, but I am having trouble watching this season,...it's good, but not in the way that I though it would be.

I still say the Heisenberg theory would be the way to go,...to expand intelligently upon it, but my fear is that they have abandoned it in favor of some bubble-gum type of logic.

However, I do not want it to end. I do not want to be closed minded, so I will watch it no matter how it meanders, or ends. I love it, and hope it expands in a way that we can all be proud to be a part of.

Writers,....please don't sell us out. Please stay the course, stay intelligent, and thought-provoking. We are all too heavily invested, and I beg you, don't break our hearts over some sham of an ending, or silly trek.

Give us something big, something we can say we watched it, and brag about to the next generation. Lost has the power to become a legend, and I hope the writers will see it that way. Take us to the next level of tv viewing. Make it credible and fantastic!!! Smart!!! Not another silly Alias ending,....please have mercy!!!




I see a lot of people with the same opinion as this.

Im sorry you where wrong, im sorry the show did not follow the theories you thought it would.
Fact of the matter is that there are thousands of ways you can explain what is going on on this island, and there is no way of knowing what the writers are actually going from.

The only thing that one can doubt is that they had the "secret of the island" planned from season 1,
of this I am not sure, thou id like to think so.

But since then, and certainly now, they know exactly what they are doing.

listen to the podcast, every now and then we get people laying out complex theories and asking whether or not they got it right, to which Damon or Carlton answer "No!"

If they don't know what they'll eventually settle on, how can they know a certain theory is wrong?


Two things we as theorizing fans have to keep in mind:


1. We don't know what clue is connected, and what clue is even relevant.
Since we are in the dark, we will always have a tendency to assume that everything is connected, and everything is relevant.
When in fact there could be several minor issues going on that accounts for many of the things we consider major, also some of the things that happens here could actually be coincidence, but we have no way of knowing what.


2. So far Lost has not given us any definitive "magic factor".
Its hinted at religious factors, timeshifts, magic boxes, sci-fi technology...etc.
But so far its always played the fence, never really committing to anything,
thou by now we know there HAS to be a fantastic element in here somewhere.
Any such element would in its own way explain what goes on on the island.


-Exodus

Everyone needs to step back and think before they post again.

So here is what you can do:

Agree with the poster, and say your peace

Disagree with the poster, DO NOT harass them for their opinion, and state your case

DO NOT POST in this thread if you feel the need to attack someone who has already posted..

This thread has been going back and forth all day, and before it gets out of hand and closed down, step back and think before posting.

Thanks

Hmmm...seems black and white to me...if the personal attacks don't stop...and the back and forth...the thread will be closed.

If you didn't enjoy Expose, I question why you are a LOST fan.

WAAH WAAH its been 3 years!! WAAH WAAH!!

Could not have put it better, go and watch somthing less taxing like American Idol or Desperate Housewives.



This is why i find posts like the one that started this thread so stupid.

He wants the answers, he cries cuz he is not getting them, but as soon as he actually does he will be one of the first ppl here posting that the show isn't good anymore.



This my friend is one of the silliest questions ive ever seen asked on this forum. I actually feel kind of stupid having to answer it. However, I will.

Apparently, many didn't read that simple post reminding people to stop going back and forth and insulting each other as ALL of those post came after Diabolo posted to cool it...

The thread is now closed. It may reopen after a cooling off period.

Thread is re-opened with a zero tolerance for the same things that got it closed in the first place.

Senseless bashing.
You couldnt have possibly watched 3 seasons, and not liked one aspect of it.
Sure, there are things I do not like about lost.
But for me, the biggest reasons that draw me to it, are 1. The mystery and
2. The main characters
I ignore the minor characters like Pikki, and I do not look to deep into it.
If you would not let the things that bother you, get to you, you still might like the show.

You are absolutely correct about many things...the first season of LOST was classic, groundbreaking television, that fell apart the second season because the major theme of the first season, getting off the island, was thrown by the wayside with the introduction of Desmond, the Numbers, and Dharma. The result is a show that is just a pale imitation of what it was the first season.

Don't expect to find much sympathy here, many that felt as you do have simply stopped posting, and, as many have suggested to you, have stopped watching the show. Millions have.

I think we have every right to feel jaded that the Monster, first introduced in the pilot episode, has not been explained to any certainty by now. The reason I believe, is because back then they had no idea what the origin of the Monster would be, and I believe just as strongly that when the Hatch was first revealed, TPTB didn't know what or who was inside, nor the agenda of the "Others". The first season introduced all these cool concepts that drew us in, and when the fans finally demanded some answers, they were full of contrived plot holes and less fancifull then what viewers were expecting.

I wish I could get back the hours that I spent last year debating the meaning of the Mural in the Hatch hallway...why Desmond was injecting himself with Vaccine...the purpose of the Lockdown procedure...the scribblings on the hidden Hatch Map...why Marvin Candle seemed to be missing an arm...why Micheal was able to leave the island but not Desmond in his sailboat...Why Walt was appearing all wet and talking backwards to Shannon...the mysterious "voices" ...why Locke was able to predict the weather...the list goes on and on.

You must admit to yourself that the show you started watching in 2004 is gone. Rest In Peace...it was great television. To continue watching the show, you must make peace with that fact, as I have, and lower your standards. Once the episode is over, I no longer think about it, I don't talk about it, I don't analyze what I just learned....there is no use in doing so.

Sure, go ahead and have a fun time debating if Locke blew up the sub or not, cause when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter...TPTB will only re-visit these issues if it suits them or they have run out of story ideas.

Great post, Lost always answers a question with a question, i for one will keep watching but i do not rush home anymore to watch it as soon as its downloaded, i wait a few days until i can find the time. I hated Pikki, i can still remember screaming at the TV when they showed up as i had enough questions about the other Losties unanswered with out two more members turning up, still, was a cool way to kill em off though, lol

I think this episode was horrible, but I'll ride the wave. We, the viewers, do not want to meet anyone new anymore that have to do with the crash and revist the crash with them. This was done in season 1 and then with Season 2. We are done meeting new people. If you wanted more people, you should have introduced them then, trying to add new people after you killed all the other ones sucked. It's like when they replaced Cindy on three's company. We could have held out with Niki and Paulo. To give us their whole story and have them buried alive. Not cool. It seemed so out of place!

I think this episode was horrible, but I'll ride the wave. We, the viewers, do not want to meet anyone new anymore that have to do with the crash and revist the crash with them. This was done in season 1 and then with Season 2. We are done meeting new people. If you wanted more people, you should have introduced them then, trying to add new people after you killed all the other ones sucked. It's like when they replaced Cindy on three's company. We could have held out with Niki and Paulo. To give us their whole story and have them buried alive. Not cool. It seemed so out of place!

well, there will be more people added to the cast, we know that Penny Widmore is looking for something, so you have two choices:

1. like it
2. lump it

You just gotta love the Lost haters. Or haters of any TV show for that matter. You know, you look at the posts in the "Hated it" or "Didn't like it" threads, and week after week, it's mostly the same people posting there. These same people also rate the show consistently at a 1 or a 2 in spite of overwhelming fan response to the opposite, like in the case of Lockdown and The Man from Tallahassee.

But even so, the haters still watch the show week in, week out. Maybe it's to laugh at the show or have something negative to say here at the 'Lage, I don't know. Who cares. Hater participation helps drive the show, not kill it. It's like they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Not to mention, you keep paying your cable or satellite bills (or maybe make sure your parents do), so, there must be something out there you like. But dollars to doughnuts, none of it's better than Lost.


Now, now.. some of us aren't so far gone that we don't recognize a good episode when we see one! Despite being a regular in the 'Didn't like it' threads for the better part of Seasons 2 and 3, I gave The Man From Tallahassee a 10! My only 10 ever!

I havent voted for a show since early season 1. So I hope that poster isnt referring to me. I dont know if ive ever been in a "hated it" or "loved it" thread. I actually hate those types of threads, lol.

some episodes are excellent. some not so good. some push the plot along nicely, and some feel like filler. sometimes the plot takes a twist, then twists back, and you wonder what that was all about.

an example, when Sawyer got the guns. Jack and Locke on the back foot, Sawyer running the show. 'there's a new sherif in town'

how long was sawyer in charge for? did it change the course of the plot? nope, Jack and Locke are sill at the top, Sawyer is still the naughty boy. what appeared an intersting twist, just unravelled.

the mightily important numbers - when were they last mentioned?

however this latest episode, i did find very disapointing, because it's the first time they have slipped up and brought something into the show that wasn't there fom the start.

I get a feeling this will happen more though, as they bring red shirts into the foreground and kill them off.

this episode appears to be completely unrelated to the rest. create a new character, then kill them, introducing $8m of diamonds, which are thrown away.

the only reason for any of it seems to be Ben and Juliets conversation.

I like the podcasts. True, I was let down by this episode. After watching it a second time though I like it a little better.... Still, I blame us, the community, for this crappy eppy overall. We wouldn't let TPTB have a little latitude because we have been kinda globe trotting in that dept, but still, I would have liked to seen what the REAL plan was for these two........

Um - I flit between hating and loving. I can completely understand all perspectives.
I do agree though - if you've had a passion for something, spent hours debating, thinking, analysing, discussing and then it falls flat for you, it isn't easy to let go. I read these type of posts often with the intention that someone elses passion will help me get my own back, or offer a perspective I've not considered.

Season 3 has been so variable in terms of quality that it has been difficult for me to make a decision - I imagine some other Lost fans may feel the same. I think it also depends on which 'aspect' of Lost attracts you, which part of this hugely multi-dimensional show is the one that gets you hooked and engaged. For me, it's the mythology and the drama... so in episodes like TMFT I am so hooked it is unreal, I debate, I discuss (with my RL friends - you lot are far too clever for me!). Episodes like Expose are not on my radar, it leaves me sorely bitter and disappointed.

There's been a few to many 'Expose's' for my liking this season. Too much 'Oh, we're in a cage, whattawegonnado' and not enough 'Monster/Island/Locke' for me. I hope it picks up, but I do whinge about it when there's been an episode or run of episodes that I dislike. It does make me say "I hate lost" "Lost is doing my head in" "How can they possibly answer even a proportion of these questions" "What the frick happened there". I think it's a fairly normal response... but I could be deluded!

People come on here with emotion - they're invested in this show. And I can't help but miss the spending hours reading that incredibly annoying blast door, or looking through the images Eko saw in the smoke... that mystique, that engagement... where we COULD get answers for ourselves, where we COULD find out some answers. The questions posed now are so vague... debating, to me, seems to not achieve the same thrill.

So I understand. And I understand the passions on both sides, and just wish that when I read these posts I can re-fire my own enthusiasm and not end up thinking "Some people are just plain rude."

I constantly skip through the boring flashbacks.

The flashbacks are an integral part of the story. No wonder you don't like the show.

What I find interesting is when I look back at season 1 and then look at season 3 it's really not that different and I remember back in season 1 there were episodes that caused people to write about how stupid it was and it didn't tell us anything knew and boring flashback etc.

I think the main difference is that people are so much more invested in the show and there are spoilers flying freely so before eps even air there is so much hype that it's hardly a surprise. People being more invested means people wanting more and feeling disappointed when the mysteries aren't answered or the wrong mystery is answered. I love the show for the characters, the mythology and the mystery and I would be sorely disappointed if they answered all those mysteries. The show would go the way of X-files if that happened. After the movie and then Mulder leaving that show took a huge nosedive and was never as good.

I think the other problem is that TV audiences are not patient and have no tolerance for mystery and having to wait for answers. For the most part it's a group of "I want what I want now" people. This show is very different in that regard and we were told from the beginning that it would possibly last 5 seasons or so but not much longer if even that long. That has been the plan all along so fear not, you will get your answers. I am happy to wait and enjoy and see how everything plays out. The show could not have continued in exactly the same arc as season 1 or it would have become boring. Oh, there's that monster noise again - hey was that black smoke...

I still have whoa moments and I was happy to see some new characters introduced and see things from a different perspective. My only complaint is I would like more of that, we know there are other characters in the background and I think it's interesting to see what they were doing. I don't think they are finished with Pikki yet, I think there will be more about them and their role on the island. That's not a spoiler just MHO but I don't know.

I'm a HUGE B5 fan and participated in many chat sessions from about the middle of the third season when I first started watching it to its end in the 5th season. It's mythology was not difficult at all to pick up midway through the series and it didn't alter my enjoyment of it one iota -- I simply went back and caught up on old episodes. So, I find the argument that it's too hard to "get into" LOST if you haven't been into it from the beginning a fallacy. Even moreso now because in the intervening years since B5 was on it has become easier to get one's hands on old episodes than it used to be. Between videotape, Tivo, planned DVD releases and the web the only excuse someone would have for not being able to catch up at this point is either lack of finances(certainly a legitimate reason and not an excuse) or true lack of motivation, which is a huge excuse.

To continue the similarities and differences: The series creator, Michael J. Straczynski, conceived of the show with a 5-year arc. Seasons 1 and 2 were the exposition, Season 3 was the clash and seasons 4 and 5 were the resolution. However, the original network dropped Babylon 5 after its third season and TNT picked it up for season 4. My memory gets a little foggy here, but I believe TNT did not give the green light to go ahead for season 5 until very late in the game (it may even have been that a third network wound up saving the 5th season, but I truly can't recall). The creator even had talks with the SciFi network to see if they would pick it up(at the time TNT was all about wrestling and not much else and Straczynski was horrified by things like the amount of bikini-clad women the network wanted added to the show).

Since he had always intended the show to have a 5 year arc, it was both nerve-wracking for the fans and somewhat of a challenge for Straczynski not knowing if the series would have to be ended early.

Having said all of that, I remember four things with perfect clarity: #1, Straczynki had the plan from the outset that the show would never go beyond 5 seasons. He felt that much could be filled in with made-for-tv movies and understood that he could always write a two-hour movie to sum up the series if necessary. In fact, he actually wrote a number of movies that filled in some of the gaps in the 5-year arc anyway. With LOST, there was no such understanding with the network; #2, Straczynski was incredibly accessible to the fans, much like Damon and Carlton; #3 the original network kept changing the time slot and fans went nuts saying the time slot is what ruined ratings; and #4 that fan base whined and complained like crazy starting at the beginning of the 4th season that the show wasn't good anymore, it sucked, it wasn't exciting, there was too much emphasis on romance between two of the characters, that the writer didn't know what he was doing, there were plot holes, that the first three seasons were the only good seasons and he should have ended it at season 3, etc., etc. Is any of this sounding familiar?

Watching a television show is much like having a relationship. At the outset, you can't wait to be with the other person and one tends to overlook his or her faults, because it's so new and exciting. As time goes on, familiarlity leads to predictability, boredom and a sort of "ownership" where each partner feels it necessary to share what he or she believes the other one's faults are, in an effort to "fix" what's wrong with the other person.

While I was sad to see this happen in the B5 community and I am even more sad to see it happen here because I love LOST more than any other show I've seen, it's not a surprise to me. Human nature is human nature.

Sorry for the long quote, but I for one thank you for the information, because I only catched up with B5 last summer on DVDs and knew nothing of that sorts going on in the fandoms so it's quite funny for me to read about this knowing that I found season 4 to be the strongest one of the series.

Definitely see some similarities - even I myself was disillusioned at times during early season 2, and there are episode(s) I wish would've never happened, but now I don't see these seasons as better or worse - merely different than season 1. Which is unsurprising since the focus has been different, and I'd just like to remind the fans who think we're not getting any answers, or the story is not moving forwards that there WASN'T any Dharma Initiative till season 2, no tailies, none of their experiences - others were these figures shrouded in mystery pretty much for all of season 1 and most of season 2, and who even knows where the 4-toed statue that was introduced in season 2 finale will go? But then again - the story of the beechcraft is wrapped, we know considerably more about the others and the monster (starting from its appearance to the theories about it being able to manifest as visions of our losties (Dave, Kate's horse, Yemi, etc.)) and by now we've been to all 6 of the Dharma hatches. Sure there are loose ends and more answers to come - but if you think of it as a novel, I don't even expect to know these things by now so enjoy it as it comes.

I didn't mind Paulo and Nikki from the start, what I think was a major bias for so many not liking Expose, what I in turn think was an awesomely written enjoyable episode, filler or not, that worked as a self-contained story telling the story of even more of the plane crash survivors.

Nice post!!! Agree wholeheartedly :)

The flashbacks are an integral part of the story. No wonder you don't like the show.

Actually I really think some of the flashbacks are useless. This past week all we found out in the flashback was that Nikki and Paulo pulled a diamond heist together. Big deal.

The other day my buddy who watched all of season 1 and 2 and the mini series part of season 3 asked me to sum up what has happened since. So I told him about the Desmond episode and how Desmond can see the future. I told him about how Claire and Jack are brother and sister. I told them him about how the losties reached Othersville. He responded with "So we haven't learned anything new."

I couldn't disagree with him. We don't know anything new about Smokey, we don't know anything new about the Island, we don't know what the deal is with the Others. Basically we haven't learned anything new this season. We've had a couple new facts thrown at us, but no conclusions.

You know, there are people who love the show, but could do without the flashbacks.

My husband and I watch together every week, have since the first episode, never missed a second. He hates the flashbacks, and just wants to see what is going to happen next. He basically wants to get to the end. He's the guy wh reads the last chapter of a book first (maddening!!)

I love the flashbacks because they enrich the whole show. Basically, he's a plot guy, I'm a character development girl. But we both love the show.

But I tell him that they need the flashbacks, otherwise the entire show would consist of the characters telling stories about their lives before the crash-that would be the only way to move forward without the flashbacks.

So I say to all those flashback haters-get Tivo and fastforward.

I just started watching Lost last summer, so I relatively new to the show. I love it, think it is one of the few things on TV worth watching, cancel dates to make sure that I am home for it, love talking about it on the Lage, think the viewers are a really dynamic community. All good things.

That being said, none of my friends watch the show. Quite a few of them watched it until somewhere season 2. The majority of them stopped watching it after Libby and Ana Lucia were shot. Their reasoning made great sense. They viewed like they have invested so much time in the original characters, then had to have new characters introduced and taking up a lot of time, only to have them die. That is when many friends said that they were done with the show. Of course, I hadn't seen a single episode yet so I had no idea what they were griping about.

Because I was fortunate enough to watch the frist two seasons at once and then jump right into season 3, I didn't have time to get that antsy. It is easy to see how a viewer from day one would get frustrated.

Don't feel the same was as you Pereli, but totally appreciate how you have gotten to be so frustrated.

Hang in there though, we gotta think that we are watching for a reason.

Well I am in a similar position. I started watching midway. But I have a different sense of television. I'm not as attached to characters, and I tend to enjoy shows that phase old characters out and new ones in. I've loved the additions of Ben, Juliet and Desmond.

Lost is the best hour of television there is. I for one believe it's only gotten better.

[quote=molly1977;1468922]I just started watching Lost last summer, so I relatively new to the show.

Because I was fortunate enough to watch the frist two seasons at once and then jump right into season 3, I didn't have time to get that antsy. It is easy to see how a viewer from day one would get frustrated.
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Great post. Thats one point I was trying to make. I think a lot of people on here started watching lost similar to you, as in....not from day one. And thats great, thats fine, you have every right to, theres nothing wrong with that. However, as you said....that doesnt require as much patience as someone who has watched it since day one back in 04.

If I watched the first and second season in the span of about a month or two or whatever, believe me, I would not be this frustrated. There is a big difference(to me). But some of us have been waiting 3 YEARS for answers to questions that were brought up in season 1. In my opinion, thats ridiculous. But thats my opinion. Some people who have watched from day one arent that fed up....and thats great, i wish i was like them. But im not.

I was never interested during season 1 at all. A friend of mine was so into it and kept telling me all about it, but in my eyes I thought it was a bouch of people stuck on an island so I thought it would've been rather boring. So my friend bought season 1 for me for Christmas, and I said well okay if I don't like it, I'll go exchange it. Well I ended becoming a die hard fan of this show, and bought season two when it came out.

Well I have been watching from the beginning and I think we have learned a lot. I don't have a list but I'm sure someone's already posted one on here. If you sit back and think about everything we have actually learned, I think you'd be suprised. I guess it depends on what mysteries you want solved. I went into this show knowing that they had it planned for about 5 seasons so I don't expect everything to be solved by season 3, that would spell disaster as what would be the point of watching anymore. The only times I've been frustrated is waiting for the new season to begin or those times we had to suffer repeats in between new eps. That is a necessary evil of television. I guess if you want to find out all at once, why not stop watching and buy the dvd's when the series is over??

I still love the show and yes there are some eps that I don't enjoy as much as others like Jack flashbacks...enough already...but I still love the show and I love that we don't have everything solved. I like finding out new little tidbits and trying to figure out what's going on instead.

As I said, I think the problem is that TV audiences are now programmed for instant gratification - in most shows a problem is presented, dealt with and usually fixed by the end of the hour or half hour. I like those shows too but Lost is incredible for it's ability to keep the viewer guessing from week to week. I knew people would get frustrated and stop watching from the beginning and my guess is, so did the writers. Most people just don't have very long attention spans anymore.

As I said, I think the problem is that TV audiences are now programmed for instant gratification - in most shows a problem is presented, dealt with and usually fixed by the end of the hour or half hour. I like those shows too but Lost is incredible for it's ability to keep the viewer guessing from week to week. I knew people would get frustrated and stop watching from the beginning and my guess is, so did the writers. Most people just don't have very long attention spans anymore.

Perhaps the recent trend towards instant gratification is due the DVD phenomenon of the last several years. More and more people are picking up shows like Lost since they can watch an entire season within a week. They don't have to wait for answers and if they get too impatient, they can get them as fast as they want to make it through their DVDs.

I for one don't mind the waiting. I couldn't believe the fuss over repeats last year since they were following the same schedule as the first season and virtually every other 1 hour show that had come before it. I would wait eagerly for the next new episode of Millennium when it was on and never got frustrated with repeats because they were a natural part of the network scheduling. That's just the way it always was. But, I guess no one wants to wait anymore. Not that that's bad or anything, it's just something different that networks never had to deal with before.

But some of us have been waiting 3 YEARS for answers to questions that were brought up in season 1. In my opinion, thats ridiculous.

Thats the part i completely disagree with.

Long standing plots, that carries from season to season is the BEST part of this media.

Its the one thing u can't do with most other forms of telling stories.
You can't do it in movies.
You can't do it in Theater.
You can't really do it in books either, unless you create a book series, but even so the major plot line of any book has to be resolved in that book.
You CAN however do it in comicbooks, and some of the best comicbook arch's have been long standing unresolved plot's.

But once they finish, and it all comes together, its legendary.
As long as its done well, and so far.. they are doing a damn good job.



-Exodus

All of your points considered, still, to get back your appriciation for the show, just watch a couple eps of the crap that is out there. Lost is still, hands and all four toes down, the very greatest show to watch. Heck, I'd be happy if they ran reruns from the beginning every night of the week...better yet, I want to start a petition for the LOST channel. NO JOKING! I want it 24 7 so I can watch it anytime, please.
Seriously...if you just force some of that good 'ol sappy, predictable, poorly acted s*itcom stuff that is out there, I'm sure you'll be able to get over one poor ep out of 3 awsome years.
I think the producers, etc, were just doing us all a public favor by exterminating Nikki and Paulo before they dragged out any longer.;)

pibbs, I have to agree and I didn't mind the waiting either, just that I love the show so much and I am always sad when it's over. I would never complain though because that's how all network shows run.

I loved Millenium when it was on and I was disappointed that it ended so soon but I guess it had to, hence the name. Still it was a great show and I loved the mystery - same with X-files. I read somewhere that the same thing happened with X-files that is happening with Lost so I'm not worried and all of the people that we addicted to the show are still watching. :biggrin:

You can't really do it in books either, unless you create a book series, but even so the major plot line of any book has to be resolved in that book.

Well you can do it but it has to be an awesome set of books, the Dark Tower series was one. I had to wait years for a lot of answers. But it was sooooooooo worth it. :biggrin:

All of your points considered, still, to get back your appriciation for the show, just watch a couple eps of the crap that is out there. Lost is still, hands and all four toes down, the very greatest show to watch. Heck, I'd be happy if they ran reruns from the beginning every night of the week...better yet, I want to start a petition for the LOST channel. NO JOKING! I want it 24 7 so I can watch it anytime, please.
Seriously...if you just force some of that good 'ol sappy, predictable, poorly acted s*itcom stuff that is out there, I'm sure you'll be able to get over one poor ep out of 3 awsome years.
I think the producers, etc, were just doing us all a public favor by exterminating Nikki and Paulo before they dragged out any longer.

Agreed, except for the Pikki part...I didn't mind them and would have liked to see more.

Perhaps the recent trend towards instant gratification is due the DVD phenomenon of the last several years. More and more people are picking up shows like Lost since they can watch an entire season within a week. They don't have to wait for answers and if they get too impatient, they can get them as fast as they want to make it through their DVDs.

And that about sums it up.

But I have to add...different strokes, man. Some people like the format and others don't. It's not surprising that the show is frustrating and irksome to some while it is fascinating and exhilerating to others.

Actually I really think some of the flashbacks are useless. This past week all we found out in the flashback was that Nikki and Paulo pulled a diamond heist together. Big deal.

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That's all we found out? I found out a whole lot more than that. I found out that the losties we don't know may know things of vital importance that haven't been share with the losties we do know. I found out that people are exploring the island & not just staying at the beach camp. I found out that they really don't interact with each other - hence, Sawyer not knowing who Nikki & Paolo are. And that's just the stuff that I can think of off the top of my head.

huzzah for the dark tower! walt was a superbreaker!

Perhaps the recent trend towards instant gratification is due the DVD phenomenon of the last several years. More and more people are picking up shows like Lost since they can watch an entire season within a week. They don't have to wait for answers and if they get too impatient, they can get them as fast as they want to make it through their DVDs. .

Exactly. I've been watching since the first episode and I lent season 1 and 2 to co workers. They ate it up. They were wondering about things we wondered about 2 yrs ago. But the people who were down from day one have been on the edge of their seats for 3 yrs about answers fufilled and unfufilled. The people who caught up on DVD(welcome aboard, we want as many people as possible on 815;) ) have had the luxury of getting some answers within a week. Yes I want to know more about smoky and the 4 toed statue, but we are getting answers about the Others that we have wanted since "Solitary" in season 1. I think that the Others from now on will be a mechanism to tell the story of the island. As this show goes from season 3 to 4 even more will be revealed as a little more will be piled on. We need answers, but we also need more questions to make us even more obsessed about the show. People need to relax and just let themselves enjoy the story and the process of the story.

Anybody remember what happened to Carnivale? Be thankful for what you have.

I think there is a lot to be said for fans that were there from the beginning in 2004 versus those that caught up prior to this season of DVD. Season 2 of Twin Peaks was just released. I watched Twin Peaks when it was orignailly broadcasted, it was ground breaking television...just incredible characters and surreal plot lines...and ABC pulled the plug after the second season leaving fans and dangling plot lines in a lurch.

Then came the X-files a few years later and the "mythology" genre was born. I was a fan of that show for SEVEN years only to watch in horror as it ended in a cheesy, contrived 2 hour finale where it tried in vain to wrap up all the years worth of mythology into a neat little package. That's SEVEN YEARS. Twice as many plotlines went unresolved as opposed to those that were actually addressed.

Then LOST premiered...almost 3 years ago. The producers were fans of Twin Peaks, an X-files. They swore that they were aware of the pitfalls and fan dissatisfaction with the resolutions of those shows and hoped to avoid them. So please, excuse me and other fans that took them for their word.

Please, please, please...don't label us as those that want instant gratification or have no patience...how can wanting to know some detail or purpose for the creature / monster from the VERY FIRST episode, the one that actually left the pilot a bloody pulp, be asking too much 3 years later? Sorry, just being a "security system" doesn't cut it. What about the voices? Weren't they from the second or third episode? What of the sickness Rousseau spoke of? Why can't the island be found? Why can John Locke walk? What happened to Jack's fathers body? These were all plot elements introduced very, very early the first season that haven't been dealt with. So please, I think I have been very patient.

Anybody remember what happened to Carnivale? Be thankful for what you have.

A tragedy indeed.
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Thats the part i completely disagree with.

Long standing plots, that carries from season to season is the BEST part of this media.

Its the one thing u can't do with most other forms of telling stories.
You can't do it in movies.
You can't do it in Theater.
You can't really do it in books either, unless you create a book series, but even so the major plot line of any book has to be resolved in that book.
You CAN however do it in comicbooks, and some of the best comicbook arch's have been long standing unresolved plot's.

But once they finish, and it all comes together, its legendary.
As long as its done well, and so far.. they are doing a damn good job.



-Exodus


Well put. Ive just never been much of a comic book fan.


But its the last part that im really getting at. Thats my problem. Im convinced that it all wont come together. atleast the way we all expect. People just dont want to understand that this wasnt all created from the beginning. There going to make it up as it goes along to try to please everyone. And I dont like that. even if it is the in the best intentions or not.

The thing that kept me patient and into lost for so long despite the lack of answers and all the plot holes, etc....is that deep down I always felt that in the end....they knew what they were doing and that some how some way everything would come together. All the little easter eggs, and red herrings, would come back into play some how and serve a purpose. I didnt how, lol. But I thought that the people who were genius enough to create this show surely knew a way. So I went with it. And then one day about a year and a half ago, i read an interview with damon and carlton. In it Damon was asked a question about the numbers and he said "I dont think the numbers will ever be explained". And I couldnt believe what i just read. I couldnt believe that one of the biggest phenomenons of lost just wouldnt be explained. And I couldnt believe that the forums werent exploding over this. And thats when it dawned me. That.....

A. Maybe these guys(TPTB) didnt know what the hell they were doing.

B. Maybe the diehard fans(myself included) didnt want to know that TPTB didnt know what they were doing.

And by "know what there doing" i mean no less then that they had it all planned out from the beginning, therefore all this "reading in between the lines" was reasonable.

But still i gave them the benefit of the doubt and believed that lost was what we thought it was. Well over the course of the next year or whatever, i really havent seen anything that still makes me believe. All i saw was the opposite.

Which leaves me here.

Ill say this again. I dont or never did want answers quickly. But I want answers....or at the very least I want to think that im eventually going to get them....one day. And I just simply dont believe that anymore.

Even before I started watching LOST, I knew it was was a must see, at least for me. Epic, in a word, is what it sounded like...a single story, multiple seasons long; a 4000 minute long movie; a book that takes 4-5 years to read. Give me another world to live in, whether populated by Ents, governed by gunslingers, or located on a tropical island. Just don't make me leave before I'm ready. Let me stay there as long as I want, or come back whenever I feel like. It's not that the real world stinks (quite the opposite), but imagination is the fuel on which civilization runs.

So I tried to wait it out. How long could a Gilligan's Island drama last? I'd just wait 'til all the DVDs were out and watch it in one fell swoop. I'm not known for a deep resevoir of patience, and waiting a week between each episode and then (gasp) months between seasons seemed like taking an hour break between words when reading a book.

Curiosity killed the cat.

I started watching a few episodes into S2 (after soaking in S1 via DVD over 48 hours one autumn weekend), and I was as hooked as I thought I'd be. And the weeks/months between episodes? Torture, of course; but the payoff when I finally sat down each Wednesday and got a little closer to the real story (like standing too close to a painting and taking tiny steps backwards) made me forget all about the painful waiting of the week before. LOST taught me patience (along with entetaining the hell out of me every week).

It's just a T.V. show.

Maybe, maybe not. It's amazing to me that people here get as rabid about their support or detest of the show as some sports fans (this coming from a dreaded Eagles fans). Can anybody find me someone who will spit forth the bitterest bile towards someone who doesn't like "Grey's Anatomy" as them?

Anyway, LOST will disappoint me in it's ending. Along with patience comes anticipation, and, whooboy, i'd say there's a little bit of that going around. But one thing I can, and will, say is that I've never had so much fun getting from point A to point B.


P.S. the preceding was one opinion of about 12 million each week about LOST. Keep it fun, folks.

urbandruid, I had that thought after Walt was kidnapped...:eek2: - same while watching Supernatural but that's not relevant here, or maybe it is - it's another show that continues with mysteries from seasons ago. In that show they anwered the main mysteries and now all that's left is to figure out a few smaller ones and finish the quest. That show is now in danger of being pulled...hmmm

There is a lot to be said about diehard fans from 2004, I am one of them. The problem with a lot of those fans is they are missing all the things that we have learned. They may also be missing the fact that we have learned a lot through hints and clues and those hints and clues keep coming. Was is a huge suprise to learn that Claire and Jack are related. I thought of it as soon as Christian visited that woman in Australia. Part of the enjoyment of the show is trying to solve the mystery as it progresses without having to be told. I guess that's what I mean by instant gratification. I get the feeling that some people want the writers to smack them in the face with answers. It's never been that type of show and I love the mystery of it.

We did learn about Locke's legs, we can conclude I think that smoky is what killed the pilot - when Locke is smashed about in the trees you can hear the mechanical sound in the background and remember Locke getting dragged underground - we can assume that it is rooted underground somewhere. We learned a lot about the others and see them on a regular basis. We learned what happened to Walt. We learned a lot about Dharma and their experiments and hatches. We found out there is a sub and got some clues as to what the island is all about. We learned what happened to Alex. There are many more things we found out but it seems to get ignored somehow and I don't understand why.

I agree that we learned a lot in Pikki's ep and I really like to see what the other losties were doing while our main characters were off adventuring. I wonder what else was discovered and not revealed.

I do think the writers know where they're going but I don't think they are going to cave to the demands of viewers and reveal things before their time, that would be disaster and like I said I knew from the beginning that some people wouldn't be able to wait. I am thoroughly enjoying the journey and look forward to my lost fix every week.

Keep in mind the writers may be saying things to throw people off track, they need to keep some secrets protected and it's frustrating for them when people reveal what's happening in upcoming eps and things like that. Do you expect them to tell us everything in interviews??

And then one day about a year and a half ago, i read an interview with damon and carlton. In it Damon was asked a question about the numbers and he said "I dont think the numbers will ever be explained". And I couldnt believe what i just read. I couldnt believe that one of the biggest phenomenons of lost just wouldnt be explained.


I have been a subscriber to Entertainment Weekly for over a decade, and they have had many aritilcles featuring TPTB.

While filming the pilot, the writers on the show all drew names from a hat to see which character they got to create the backstories for (apparently there wasn't much discussion before hand). The writer that drew Hurly's name thought it would be cool to have these re-occurring numbers cropping up during his flash back, and once it caught fire with the fans they ran with it. That basicallyl is the true origin of the numbers.

And I'm sure it's old news that Jacks character wasn't suppose to survive the pilot originally (they wanted to get a star...Micheal Keaton..to play the doctor)...so what does that tell you about the plans they had for Jack early on?

Last year I heard Michael Emerson on a local radio show. He was originally only contracted for one epidsode last season (perhaps truly as crashed balloonist Henry Gale) but his role increased as he ultimately was revealed as Ben of the Others.

My favorite relevation was that LOST wasn't conceived by JJ Abrahms. An independent producer sold the idea of a Survivior type Island drama to ABC but then had to back out. ABC then approached JJ because his ALIAS was highly regarded on the network and asked him to pitch an idea with similar themes.
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We did learn about Locke's legs, we can conclude I think that smoky is what killed the pilot - when Locke is smashed about in the trees you can hear the mechanical sound in the background and remember Locke getting dragged underground - we can assume that it is rooted underground somewhere. We learned a lot about the others and see them on a regular basis. We learned what happened to Walt. We learned a lot about Dharma and their experiments and hatches. We found out there is a sub and got some clues as to what the island is all about. We learned what happened to Alex. There are many more things we found out but it seems to get ignored somehow and I don't understand why.


I think we have different ideas about what makes for a satisfying resolution. I want to know why John can walk on the island and Rose can be cured of cancer. What sort of mechanical creation roams a jungle, snatches pilots from cockpitcs, drags people underground, uproots huge trees, and smashes African warlords with impugnity. What is the basis of this technology? WHY does it exist? Showing it on the prowl is not an answer.

We know nothing about the Others with the execpetion that some of them were born on the island, and Ben considers them the "good guys". What is their agenda and motiviation?

What exactly happened to Walt? It was no mystery that he was kidnapped. WHY? What was its purpose? How was he projecting himself to Shannon? Why was he being tested?

Same thing for Alex..we know the Others took her when she was only a few weeks old...I want to know WHY. Why kidnap Claire with the intention of taking her unborn child?

Dharma was only explained in a general sense...and that was via a 2 minute training video...what was revealed about Dharma other than they were some scientists that commuted to the island to perform some experiments?

All we have seen are just some fancy garnisings...I want some meat and potatoes!!

I have been a subscriber to Entertainment Weekly for over a decade, and they have had many aritilcles featuring TPTB.

While filming the pilot, the writers on the show all drew names from a hat to see which character they got to create the backstories for (apparently there wasn't much discussion before hand). The writer that drew Hurly's name thought it would be cool to have these re-occurring numbers cropping up during his flash back, and once it caught fire with the fans they ran with it. That basicallyl is the true origin of the numbers.

And I'm sure it's old news that Jacks character wasn't suppose to survive the pilot originally (they wanted to get a star...Micheal Keaton..to play the doctor)...so what does that tell you about the plans they had for Jack early on?

Last year I heard Michael Emerson on a local radio show. He was originally only contracted for one epidsode last season (perhaps truly as crashed balloonist Henry Gale) but his role increased as he ultimately was revealed as Ben of the Others.

My favorite relevation was that LOST wasn't conceived by JJ Abrahms. An independent producer sold the idea of a Survivior type Island drama to ABC but then had to back out. ABC then approached JJ because his ALIAS was highly regarded on the network and asked him to pitch an idea with similar themes.
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I think we have different ideas about what makes for a satisfying resolution. I want to know why John can walk on the island and Rose can be cured of cancer. What sort of mechanical creation roams a jungle, snatches pilots from cockpitcs, drags people underground, uproots huge trees, and smashes African warlords with impugnity. What is the basis of this technology? WHY does it exist? Showing it on the prowl is not an answer.

We know nothing about the Others with the execpetion that some of them were born on the island, and Ben considers them the "good guys". What is their agenda and motiviation?

What exactly happened to Walt? It was no mystery that he was kidnapped. WHY? What was its purpose? How was he projecting himself to Shannon? Why was he being tested?

Same thing for Alex..we know the Others took her when she was only a few weeks old...I want to know WHY. Why kidnap Claire with the intention of taking her unborn child?

Dharma was only explained in a general sense...and that was via a 2 minute training video...what was revealed about Dharma other than they were some scientists that commuted to the island to perform some experiments?

All we have seen are just some fancy garnisings...I want some meat and potatoes!!

Great post, and this is what bothers me too. Lots of people on here say that they've given us so much information already. It's true that they've given us information, but they haven't given us answers.

There is something to be said about bringing mysteries to closure before introducing new ones. As it stands right now they could devote an entire season to answering questions, but I'm just asking for one or two episodes.

Has anyone considered that the answers we are all wondering about are part of the ENTIRE answer? The one that ends the show? What if giving away even what we consider small bits and pieces would give away so much of the final plan that it would in fact ruin the show? Now mind you in order for this to be true, we have to believe that there is some genius thinking at work here, in order to pull this off. The X Files tried it, and it lasted a good many years before we got impatient with it all.
I am just hanging my hat on the assumption that all of the mystery and answers are tied together, and at the end of the series, rewatching the entire series will be a must do, to catch all of the things they were trying to show us without giving the conclusion away...

Or am I asking for too much? :confused:

I have read all those interviews as well and it doesn't mean they don't know where they are going with the story. They admitted up front that some of the characters were not in the original story etc, but they had a general idea about how the show was going to go and they had a plan for 4 or 5 seasons but no more.

As for the answers, like I said - part of the whole enigma that is Lost is trying to figure these things out. I would be sorely disappointed if they just handed us a plate full of answers, I enjoy all the mindbending twists and mysteries. As someone said earlier to each his own I guess.

The good thing is that even the people who say they are so disappointed and keep threatening to stop watching are still watching and are very passionate about their disappointment. And if we lose some viewers, I don't mind - I was one of the few that really enjoyed Millenium and it was never ruined for me. The ending was perfect - my only complaint was that it wasn't long enough but that might have ruined it.

I like the show. It's not ruined for me. I think I know why it may be ruined for others... it's because THEY ARE THE OTHERS!!!!:eek2: LOL just fooling. ;)

Happy wednesday... can't wait until tonight. (can't say that about any other show on TV)

Has anyone considered that the answers we are all wondering about are part of the ENTIRE answer? The one that ends the show? What if giving away even what we consider small bits and pieces would give away so much of the final plan that it would in fact ruin the show? Now mind you in order for this to be true, we have to believe that there is some genius thinking at work here, in order to pull this off. The X Files tried it, and it lasted a good many years before we got impatient with it all.
I am just hanging my hat on the assumption that all of the mystery and answers are tied together, and at the end of the series, rewatching the entire series will be a must do, to catch all of the things they were trying to show us without giving the conclusion away...

Or am I asking for too much? :confused:

If this is the case, the writers really had to have had every detail of every mystery ironed out before production began. There are so many small questions and clues, it is impossible to list them all. For them to all be part of one intertwined mystery would be rad, but I really worry about the quality of this big reveal. After all, it would be five seasons of amazing details, and one big reveal that would need to do all episodes before it justice. It would be an inslut to viewers for anything less.

I like the idea of a few seperate answers. More because I think that by handling things seperately, the writers will be able to do the mysteries 'right'.

Anyway, LOST will disappoint me in it's ending. Along with patience comes anticipation, and, whooboy, i'd say there's a little bit of that going around. But one thing I can, and will, say is that I've never had so much fun getting from point A to point B.

I think that I am going to end up feeling the same way as you. The ending will be so built up that no matter how good it is, it will not match the expectation. Also, I will be so sad that it is ending, I won't like any ending just because it is an ending to Lost.

Has anyone considered that the answers we are all wondering about are part of the ENTIRE answer? The one that ends the show? What if giving away even what we consider small bits and pieces would give away so much of the final plan that it would in fact ruin the show? Now mind you in order for this to be true, we have to believe that there is some genius thinking at work here, in order to pull this off. The X Files tried it, and it lasted a good many years before we got impatient with it all.
I am just hanging my hat on the assumption that all of the mystery and answers are tied together, and at the end of the series, rewatching the entire series will be a must do, to catch all of the things they were trying to show us without giving the conclusion away...

Or am I asking for too much? :confused:

Maybe the answer is 42. :rolleyes:

There really can't be a great unifying theory that answers all of the questions. It's obvious that there are multiple mysteries at play on the island. I'm just asking for some of the mysteries to be answered. It's not like the show would be ruined, there are ways to introduce new mysteries very easily. For instance, after revealing everything about the Island they could create a whole new season by revealing that the Lost Island is just one Island out of many that exist on planets other than Earth.

yes, "lost" is ruined.

but it's ruined in a good way.

like when your toasted ham and cheese
sandwich falls on the floor you
and you think it's ruined.

it only looks ruined.

but, - back me up guys - you only
have to replace the slice of bread
that touched the floor and then
it's not ruined anymore.

for you ladies, this is a guy thing.

so if you think "lost" is ruined,
wait for the next eps and maybe
paw* will give you another slice of toast.

in my version of "lost", this makes sense.
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* producers and writers i.e. paw

Thats the part i completely disagree with.

Long standing plots, that carries from season to season is the BEST part of this media.

Its the one thing u can't do with most other forms of telling stories.
You can't do it in movies.
You can't do it in Theater.
You can't really do it in books either, unless you create a book series, but even so the major plot line of any book has to be resolved in that book.
You CAN however do it in comicbooks, and some of the best comicbook arch's have been long standing unresolved plot's.

But once they finish, and it all comes together, its legendary.
As long as its done well, and so far.. they are doing a damn good job.



-Exodus
There is a chink in your armour there buddy..... Pereli's point is the bit about " it all comes together" ain't going to happen.

I suggest you stick to your comics if you are looking for that type of thrill.

Pereli....check out my previous threads. I'm with you brother all the way

Has anyone considered that the answers we are all wondering about are part of the ENTIRE answer? The one that ends the show? What if giving away even what we consider small bits and pieces would give away so much of the final plan that it would in fact ruin the show? Now mind you in order for this to be true, we have to believe that there is some genius thinking at work here, in order to pull this off. The X Files tried it, and it lasted a good many years before we got impatient with it all.
I am just hanging my hat on the assumption that all of the mystery and answers are tied together, and at the end of the series, rewatching the entire series will be a must do, to catch all of the things they were trying to show us without giving the conclusion away...

Or am I asking for too much? :confused:

Does it come down to wanting to be spoon-fed the questions and mysteries? Yeah, I know T.V. is not known to be a medium that fires those receptors in your cranium, but come on. Is a story the same if you read the last page first? The author put it at the end for a reason, and anything he wanted you to know is in the rest of the book.

I propose we submit a resolution to TPTB or we stop watching:
1) No question shall be left unanswered longer than one season.
2)Every character shall appear at least once each episode regardless of the narrative flow.
3)Deaths shall only occur to characters who have been voted to be within the bottom three each week, and shall be allowed a final song before departure.
And Most Importantly:
4)You are to make each and every one of us happy each week.

I think that sounds reasonable, what say you?

Does it come down to wanting to be spoon-fed the questions and mysteries? Yeah, I know T.V. is not know to be a medium that fires those receptors in your cranium, but come on. Is a story the same if you read the last page first? The author put it at the end for a reason, and anything he wanted you to know is in the rest of the book.

I propose we submit a resolution to TPTB or we stop watching:
1) No question shall be left unanswered longer than one season.
2)Every character shall appear at least once in an episode regardless of the narrative flow.
3)Deaths shall only occur to characters who have been voted to be within the bottom three each week, and shall be allowed a final song before departure.
And Most Importantly:
4)You are to make each and every one of us happy each week.

I think that sounds reasonable, what say you?


How many of these silly, sarcastic posts are we going to have in this thread?:confused:

Please take the time to actually read what this thread is about.

I respect everyone's opinion, but add something useful to the debate, man.

How many of these silly, sarcastic posts are we going to have in this thread?:confused:

Please take the time to actually read what this thread is about.

I respect everyone's opinion, but add something useful to the debate, man.

I couldn't agree more.

This thread was closed once and unless people get back to civil debate without the snark and bait, not only will the thread be closed, but people will be given points.

I thought it was funny, especially the idol reference. I mean it's obviously a joke... I don't see any snarkiness or baiting. I thought this thread was quite civil. I know I wasn't trying to be nasty to anyone for what it's worth.

Pereli, my apologies, my last post was in no way directed towards you or anyone in particular. Baileysdad, sorry for the unintended snarkiness. I was just trying to throw my 2 cents in that it is impossible to please everyone. Going back to the original post:
A. Have 3 year long unanswered questions that by the time they're answered people will either not care or not remember.

B. Treat your die hard, loyal fans like there beneath you by doing pointless podcasts.

C. Kill of characters people get attached to, and they reason it by saying that it will serve the overall purpose of the show, yet 3 years into it...no one knows.

D. Replace the fallen characters with characters that have a total of 15 lines in they're entire run and then all of a sudden KILL THEM OFF AS WELL...

E. Lie to your fans by saying that you're not making this up as you go....im not that stupid, and I dont think most lost fans are.


theres so many more.
A: They could have created a cycle of questions and answers like they did for the hatch, the others, and desmond's abilities. The tough part is if they did it, and I'm inferring you're talking about things like Smokey and what the Island is or means, a lot of people would have no reason to invest in the show. Twin Peaks is a great example of this. If they explained what the Island was really all about, or what Smokey actually was, what are the odds that as many people would have been back for season two?

B. I personally love the podcasts, I think the guys are hilarious, and it makes my brain smile to try and figure out if they are actually giving us die-hard, loyal fans clues, or if they're just messing with and subtley asking us to "Keep watching to see if we're just yanking your chain."

C. If they are doing their job well, each character should have a fanbase. I always viewed deaths on LOST as a way of making us root a little harder that our favorite characters survive. If I wasn't afraid anybody was going to die, I wouldn't really buy that anyone was ever in danger, plus, it's a deserted island fillled with plane crash survivors.

D: Again, yes Pikki was a strange move, but I'm sure people thought that the Tailies were too when they were introduced S2 just like I'm sure there's a group of people who hate the Others for being the focus this season. Ben told Jack he was trying to "change his perspective" and I think that was the intent of TPTB introducing and killing Pikki.

E. This one I can neither confirm or deny. A "fan of science" would say, "No way. There is no way this many coincidences can occur between this few number of people." A "fan of faith," such as myself would say "See, the reason Jack's dad was in Australia was always meant to show that Claire was his half-sister."

Swear to gawd, no snarkiness or baiting intended, I just want to defend my views as well.

Has anyone considered that the answers we are all wondering about are part of the ENTIRE answer? The one that ends the show? What if giving away even what we consider small bits and pieces would give away so much of the final plan that it would in fact ruin the show? Now mind you in order for this to be true, we have to believe that there is some genius thinking at work here, in order to pull this off. The X Files tried it, and it lasted a good many years before we got impatient with it all.
I am just hanging my hat on the assumption that all of the mystery and answers are tied together, and at the end of the series, rewatching the entire series will be a must do, to catch all of the things they were trying to show us without giving the conclusion away...

Or am I asking for too much? :confused:

While LOST and X Files are so similar, their structure is very different. Many would argue, and I would have to agree, that some of the best episodes of the X Files were the stand alone freak of the week ones, not the ones that dealt with the shows mythology (which were only 6-8 episodes a season by the way). So the show was able to endure for 7 seasons primarily my entertaining fans over the whole season.

In comparison, can you imagine a stand alone, non-mythology themed episode like "Expose" or "Tricia Tanaka" ever becoming a fan favorite? I think that's doubtful as most of the fan favorite LOST episodes are mythology drenched. That is the hole that LOST has dug for itself and the reason it can't string fans along at the same pace the X Files could afford too.

Personally, using your suggestion, if we don't find out what the Monster is, the origin of the Others, or answers to various additional major plotlines until the 5th season finale, I don't think I will be around to watch it.