Are TPTB setting up Jack to be the "Michael Dawson" of season three? The guy who says to heck with the rest of you all, "My arse is gettin off this freakin island!!!"

If he does betray the Losties in some way to get off the island, I'm wondering if fans will be more forgiving towards Jack then they were towards Michael. Granted, I guess this depends on whether any of the remaining Losties' lose their lives.

Are TPTB setting up Jack to be the "Michael Dawson" of season three? The guy who says to heck with the rest of you all, "My arse is gettin off this freakin island!!!"

Not if Locke has anything to say about it. LOL!

If he does betray the Losties in some way to get off the island, I'm wondering if fans will be more forgiving towards Jack then they were towards Michael


Well I suppose it depends on how TPTB sell Jack's intentions for wanting to get off the island. If it's for selfish reasons I don't think anyone is going to be very understanding. If it's so he can bring back rescue then that's just someone using their common sense IMO.

I'm surprised that no one's thinking of Locke. He seems ready to betray just about anyone if it means he can STAY on the island. :drowsy:

I'm surprised that no one's thinking of Locke. He seems ready to betray just about anyone if it means he can STAY on the island. :drowsy:

He's already done that by destroying their only way to escape.

He's already done that by destroying their only way to escape.
Don't forget Desmond's sailboat, and whatever motorboats the others might have.
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Well I suppose it depends on how TPTB sell Jack's intentions for wanting to get off the island. If it's for selfish reasons I don't think anyone is going to be very understanding. If it's so he can bring back rescue then that's just someone using their common sense IMO.

Although he never mentioned it, isn't it reasonable to assume that Michael, if/once he reaches a populated area, that he'd notify the proper authorities about the island and his fellow Flight 815ers?

Although he never mentioned it, isn't it reasonable to assume that Michael, if/once he reaches a populated area, that he'd notify the proper authorities about the island and his fellow Flight 815ers? not necessarily. remember this little dialogue between Michael and Ben in LTDA: Michael: How do you know I won't tell people about where I was?Ben: Maybe you will, maybe you won't. But it won't matter. Once you leave, you'll never be able to get back here. And my hunch is you won't say a word to anybody because if you do, people will find out what you did to get your son back.

Don't forget Desmond's sailboat, and whatever motorboats the others might have.

Well awesome! More things for Locke to try and blow up. :rolleyes:


Although he never mentioned it, isn't it reasonable to assume that Michael, if/once he reaches a populated area, that he'd notify the proper authorities about the island and his fellow Flight 815ers?


Like Just A Button pointed out there was dialogue in LTDA to explain why Michael won't send for rescue. He's just escaped with his son, does he really want his son to find out what he's done or worse, the authorities?

Don't forget Desmond's sailboat, and whatever motorboats the others might have.


But if they could get off the island by boat, why have a sub in the first place?
There's a reason why it was a sub - and why it was the only way off the island.

I really hope not. I was pretty disappointed in Jack for attempting to leave like that. What happened to your overused line "live together, die alone"? The people on the beach need a doctor and Jack's the only one they've got. I think it's pretty selfish of him to leave them to fend for themselves. Even if he was planning on getting rescue for them all, I don't really think he's the one who should do that; someone not as needed back at camp could get the job done just as well. Jack had the uppper hand over Ben for a while. He could have asked for someone else to leave and Ben might have granted it, and even if he wouldn't have, Jack could have at least tried. Seems to me that Jack forgets how important his skills are to his fellow castaways. They need him with them, not in a submarine finding rescue when someone else could potentially do the job.

As for Michael, I don't see how what he did would have to come up. Michael and Walt get back to shore and Michael says "We're survivors of flight 815, there 40 (or whatever the number is these days) other survivors and they need help." Since he's been traveling from the island he'd have a general idea of where to send them and if nothing else, at least people would be looking for them again. The facts of "what he did" wouldn't need to come up. That line from Ben seems to me to be just a plot device to keep rescue away. And it makes no sense.

Like Just A Button pointed out there was dialogue in LTDA to explain why Michael won't send for rescue. He's just escaped with his son, does he really want his son to find out what he's done or worse, the authorities?

Unless Walt is completely blind, I'm sure he saw Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley on their knees, blindfolded, with their arms tied behind their back. Not to mention all the others surrounding them armed with guns. The kid's gifted to begin with, I'm sure he could put two and two together.

I agree with Tigerlily. Jack, the doctor, is the least expendable of the Losties. He's got no business taking it upon himself to leave the island to go find and bring help. I'm also dubious about whether Jack would lead that charge of bringing help to the rest of the losties. More likely, he'd just draw a map or give the proper authorities the coordinates of the island and then head for L.A. on the first plane he could get on, just like Michael may/would/has done.

Unless Walt is completely blind, I'm sure he saw Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley on their knees, blindfolded, with their arms tied behind their back. Not to mention all the others surrounding them armed with guns. The kid's gifted to begin with, I'm sure he could put two and two together.



I'm sure Michael could come up with an excuse for that. And Walt might be gifted but he's still a child, one ecstatic with being reunited with his father. It might be a case of out of sight, out of mind.

Secondly I was referring to Michael murdering Ana Lucia and Libby. Now Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley being captured doesn't quite compare, especially given the fact Walt was eventually released. Ana and Libby aren't going to un-die. :drowsy:



I really hope not. I was pretty disappointed in Jack for attempting to leave like that. What happened to your overused line "live together, die alone"? The people on the beach need a doctor and Jack's the only one they've got. I think it's pretty selfish of him to leave them to fend for themselves. Even if he was planning on getting rescue for them all, I don't really think he's the one who should do that; someone not as needed back at camp could get the job done just as well. Jack had the uppper hand over Ben for a while. He could have asked for someone else to leave and Ben might have granted it, and even if he wouldn't have, Jack could have at least tried. Seems to me that Jack forgets how important his skills are to his fellow castaways. They need him with them, not in a submarine finding rescue when someone else could potentially do the job.


Well fair enough good point about Jack as the doctor being the least expendable. Seeing as I have no idea what happened in the days between angry-Jack-in-a-cage and smiley-football-playing-Jack I can't really comment on Jack's standing with the Others or Jack's motivations. I think more has to be revealed as to why Jack thought he was the only one who could get rescue e.t.c.

However, you're speakng like the alternative to Jack going on the sub is the Others letting him go back to camp. The Others might not of had any intention of letting Jack go back to camp. It's not a given that if Jack didn't go on the sub, he would go back to the beach. The Others might just have decided to make Jack stay with them like they did with Cindy and the kids. The whole issue of Jack's skills being needed at camp might not even be relevant then.

Secondly I was referring to Michael murdering Ana Lucia and Libby. Now Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley being captured doesn't quite compare, especially given the fact Walt was eventually released. Ana and Libby aren't going to un-die. :drowsy:
Walt never even saw Libby & Ana-Lucia, unless he's got a photographic memory and remembers them while Flight 815 was still in the air.

Walt never even saw Libby & Ana-Lucia, unless he's got a photographic memory and remembers them while Flight 815 was still in the air.


So? If he sends rescue, their will be a big thing about all the dead people on the island. The authorities would find out Michael killed Ana and Libby. They will start looking for Michael.

Ben's point was that Michael could never handle Walt finding out his father had murdered two people. Walt doesn't have to have known those two people for it to matter to him.

However, you're speakng like the alternative to Jack going on the sub is the Others letting him go back to camp. The Others might not of had any intention of letting Jack go back to camp. It's not a given that if Jack didn't go on the sub, he would go back to the beach. The Others might just have decided to make Jack stay with them like they did with Cindy and the kids. The whole issue of Jack's skills being needed at camp might not even be relevant then.

I don't see why they wouldn't let him go back. If they don't want to keep him enough to let him leave the island completely, why not just go to the other side? I think what just happened last night proves that. Since Jack and Juliette didn't get to go home, they're going back to the castaway's beach. Even Juliette who's been living with them for three years. They let them go home b/c they have no further use for them, but now that they're not going home, they still don't want them around.

I don't see why they wouldn't let him go back. If they don't want to keep him enough to let him leave the island completely, why not just go to the other side? I think what just happened last night proves that. Since Jack and Juliette didn't get to go home, they're going back to the castaway's beach. Even Juliette who's been living with them for three years. They let them go home b/c they have no further use for them, but now that they're not going home, they still don't want them around.


Wait that's not fair! I posted before last nights episode. :biggrin:

Well I'm really confused now as to what my point was in the first place. I'm going with either, 'well done, you made a good point' or 'Everything I've said will be vindicated when it's revealed Jack on screen is actually his bad twin Jeff and Jack is in a closet somewhere'. ;)

Haha that wasn't fair was it. I apologize ;)

So, if you'll allow, kind of taking a new spin on things, what do you all think of Jack bringing Juliette back to the camp?
-My personal take is one of excitement due to the reaction it's sure to get from everyone else: especially Charlie, Claire, Sawyer and Jin (since Sun didn't tell him it wasn't the others that took her). However, once again I have to be a little worried about what (or should I say who) Jack is thinking about. Is he considering any of those people? What about Kate and Sayid as well. I don't think people are going to be very comfortable having one of them among their camp again, even if they did leave her behind. I'm honestly a little suspicious of Juliette too, but that's another story.

Just as a disclaimer: I still like Jack, I just don't like some of his recent decisions. I guess if nothing else... this one will be an interesting story

Haha that wasn't fair was it. I apologize ;)

So, if you'll allow, kind of taking a new spin on things, what do you all think of Jack bringing Juliette back to the camp?
-My personal take is one of excitement due to the reaction it's sure to get from everyone else: especially Charlie, Claire, Sawyer and Jin (since Sun didn't tell him it wasn't the others that took her). However, once again I have to be a little worried about what (or should I say who) Jack is thinking about. Is he considering any of those people? What about Kate and Sayid as well. I don't think people are going to be very comfortable having one of them among their camp again, even if they did leave her behind. I'm honestly a little suspicious of Juliette too, but that's another story.

Just as a disclaimer: I still like Jack, I just don't like some of his recent decisions. I guess if nothing else... this one will be an interesting story

Another cool interaction will be Juliet and Desmond. After all, she did monitor/observe him with Ben for however many years. Curious to see if Jack gets in the way of Sayid forcefully interrogating her.

So, if you'll allow, kind of taking a new spin on things, what do you all think of Jack bringing Juliette back to the camp?



To be honest I couldn't see him leaving her. I mean she would have been completely on her own. I don't know whether Jack thinks he still owes her from what happened in NIP or if we're supposed to believe a genuine romantic interest. I'd have to go with the former rather than the latter as, Jack bless his cotton socks, seems to be a bit romantically dense.

Then again, I'm more than a little surprised that Jack, not exactly the most trusting guy in the world and someone who seems to do a lot of second guessing and over-thinking, has completely taken her abandonment at face value. He doesn't even seem to have considered that she could be playing them. I mean she is supposed to be desperate to get off that island, she killed Pickett without a second thought and from their interaction they seemed like 'friends' or at least friendly towards one another.

I still have no idea what's going on with Jack and Juliet now. I'm just hoping that there is more to what happened in the few days between Jack going to Otherville and Kate coming to rescue him.



Another cool interaction will be Juliet and Desmond. After all, she did monitor/observe him with Ben for however many years


I believe I read something from the writers recently that said the Others didn't know about the Lostie's hatch or the observation hatch before it was found by Locke. I don't know if that's accurate given what happened with Paulo in Expose'



Curious to see if Jack gets in the way of Sayid forcefully interrogating her.


I think he wont mind an interrogation but I think that Jack would definitely step in if it went beyond the verbal. I think Jack learnt his lesson with what happened with Sawyer and Sayid in S1 and he showed that in S2 with 'Henry Gale'.

I really don't think so!
Jack is good and he is faithful to the losties!

Why would Jack the Leader do that to them, there is nothing that can be gained that