OK so has anyone on the island EVER told the truth --


How many people have pulled a scam on atleast one other person on the island or off -

I think we should get a list going for those that have been HONEST!

Seriously a list of Lies and a List of Truths --


I cannot think of anyone that has been honest on the island!

True.. they are ALL scoundrels

Jack is good.

Jack is good.

But Jack has lied!

But Jack has lied!

That is true. I think while they have all told lies/scammed and what not, there are differences in intent. Like Hurley tonight scammed Sawyer, but his motivations were actually good - to help Sawyer. Contrast that to someone like Locke, who lied about Boone's injuries and happily sacrificed him up to the island.

It's like how everyone on the island pretty much has murdered someone, but with different intents again. Kate killed in cold blood, as we were reminded tonight. Hurley may have killed twice (the dock and Nikki and Paolo) but both were unintentional.

Has Jin ever lied? I can't remember a time he ever did.

Billtoons,

Not true. I can't think of anything Rose and Bernard have done which is dishonest...

That's why I miss them so much. They're a "compass" for the show. While the losties seem to be directionless, Bernard and Rose are the paternal/maternal figures on the show who give them direction...they're decent.

you are right. r (rose) & b (bernard) were pretty good people.

i vote for r & b being the most honest.

and of course vincent wouldn't lie. unless.............

on a side note, if any of us were on the island,
would be tell the truth to a bunch of strangers
on a plane? hmm? makes you think, right?

Aaron and Vincent haven't lied.

Rose let Bernard believe she was cured by the man in Australia, but that lie wasn't meant to deceive.

Rose lied to Bernard - she said that the guy healed her when he told her he couldn't!

I see that someone else pointed this out while I was typing!

i don't think hurley has lied to anyone

Walt?

Hurley lied to Sawyer tonight -

Aaron hasn't lied good point - although he has lied around an awful lot ;)
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Walt lied to his dad about being with Locke and starting the fire

Jack is good.

Sorry, don't agree with you on this one.

Jack stalked his ex-wife.

Accused his dad of sleeping with Jack's ex-wife at an AA meeting then attacked Dad.

Jack has lied a big bunch of times.

He led his own people into a trap with a poorly planned rescue.

Jack hasn't murdered anyone that we know of yet, but his armour isn't any shinier than any of the other Losties.

Jin hasnt lied.
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Neither has Bernard
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I dont think claire has either

Artz?

:biggrin:


(ps --fun thread!)

Jin lied off the island to his father-in-law. He didn't tell him his father was a fisherman because he was ashamed. And he didn't tell Sun the truth about what he did for her father or where the puppy came from.

Claire and Bernard get my vote.

Didn't Bernard lie to Rose (by omission) about visiting the man in Australia?

And what about Claire and her mom. Didn't she lie (again by omission) about her pregnancy? If I remember right, she didn't tell her about it. Of course her mom was in a coma, but a lie is a lie, right?

My vote still goes to Artz. :biggrin:

i don't think bernard lied to rose, i think he just told her he was taking her somewhere as a surprise...
bernard, scott/steve, cindy, the two tailie kids, and aaron get my votes :)
oh, and what was the name of that guy that goodwin killed? we didn't see him lie either, haha.

Contrast that to someone like Locke, who lied about Boone's injuries and happily sacrificed him up to the island.


"Happily"? Where are you coming from? Oh, you mean Locke was grinning when the plane fell and figured he had better things to do than fight the temporary paralysis in his legs while carrying Boone over his back all the way from the cliff to the caves where Jack was. And he was pretty enthusiastic over the hatch at night. Amazing. :drowsy:



I can't think of anyone really who hasn't lied, except for maybe Artz. And he wasn't used for much. It's probably one of THE major themes of Lost. All these strangers with sordidly tangled pasts are stuck on a deserted island together after crashing. Who would open up their life stories? It's 3 years to us, but only 3 months for them. How should they exactly trust each other? I can see it as realistic. Plus dramatic.

doh... sorry for my failing memory, but when did Jack lie? :confused:

(other than to the Others: "I'm a repo man... I'm a people person so I really love it." haha, still gets me)

:biggrin:

Everyone is entitled to one's own secrets, and lies to protect those secrets.

Everyone is entitled to one's own secrets, and lies to protect those secrets.


It is too simplistic to say that none of the Losties are good or honest because they've lied once or a few times on island or in FB. That's making them live up to standards that we don't in the real world. Who hasn't told white lies? who hasn't played a joke or a trick on someone? It depends on your intentions. That's exactly why I wouldn't put Sayid, Jack, Claire, Desmond, Rose, Jin and a hell of a lot of the rest in the dishonest category as if they've lied they always seem to do it with the best of intentions at least.

I don't think it comes down to lie or not lie
I'm starting to think it comes down to
Prey or preditor.

Sawyer
Kate
Jin
Were all preditors. They searched out and hurt/killed other people. All for their own reasons

John
Charlie
Sun
Micheal
All victims of what other people did to them.
Of course these lists should both be much longer. I'm just trying to get the idea out there.

But we teach our kids NOT to lie - a lie is a lie white lie for the good a trick or not - it is still a lie -
And to me it seems that the people on the island seem to tell a lot of white lies or lies in general -

Is there really anyone that we have gotten to know that can talk that has been honest more than not??

doh... sorry for my failing memory, but when did Jack lie? :confused:

(other than to the Others: "I'm a repo man... I'm a people person so I really love it." haha, still gets me)

:biggrin:


Immediately from returning from the cockpit, Boone asks Jack if they found anything, and Jack tells him they didn't.

On the commentary for the episode, they explain they wanted to set up a running theme of Jack lying to Boone specifically and repeatedly.

I wonder why they would want to set up Jack lying to Boone????

I think it was a way for Jack to be "connected" with Boone's death.

Cool thread car_n:65:

I wonder why they would want to set up Jack lying to Boone????

Perhaps to set up the irony of having Jack pumping blood into Boone's arm and then basically having to let him die.

Desmond!
Because Jesus never lies.

-Exodus

HUM - Desmond - has he lied?????
I can't think of any lies of hand - anyone have one???

Why do you think he is Jesus - just curious?

HUM - Desmond - has he lied?????
I can't think of any lies of hand - anyone have one???

Why do you think he is Jesus - just curious?


It could be said he lied by omission not being up front about what happens when you don't push the button at the beginning of season 2.

DId he really know what would happen or did he just have a warning of what might happen?

DId he really know what would happen or did he just have a warning of what might happen?

Yeah, he saw the hatch getting trashed and the hieroglyphics per his flashback in LTDA, but didn't mention this to the losties (on camera) at the beginning of season 2. He just offered to have them watch the movie.

Cool thread - I'm glad it wasn't the shortest ever. :cool:

Everyone has lied at some point IRL, so I love that these characters are all so human. I think some have made lying a way of life though.

Could honesty have something to do with the Lists and who is one them?

Lying is the least of any of these characters' worries. They've all killed someone, or at the very least, put someone in a coma.

I don't think Michael or Claire ever lied.
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HUM - Desmond - has he lied?????
I can't think of any lies of hand - anyone have one???

Why do you think he is Jesus - just curious?

The actor who played Desmond also played Jesus in a movie.

I don't think Michael or Claire ever lied.

Michael lied his pants off to get the fab four abducted.

Michael lied to everyone about who shot AL and Libby

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Cool that Desmond played Jesus in a movie - would be interesting if he has some of the qualities of Jesus on Lost as well -

Artz didnt lie about the spiders

Immediately from returning from the cockpit, Boone asks Jack if they found anything, and Jack tells him they didn't.

On the commentary for the episode, they explain they wanted to set up a running theme of Jack lying to Boone specifically and repeatedly.

Ah yes... lying about the cockpit.

Thats interesting, I never noticed a theme about Jack and his relationship with Boone.
Are the commentaries available for every episode, or only a select few on each disc?

About Desmond, I would also consider it deceptive that he asked Claire to move so he coudl fix the roof on her shelter when it was actually because Charlie was going to be struck by lightning.

I don't think Tom has ever lied, has he? I mean, other than wearing a disguise, but I don't think that's the same as lying. He never claimed to be anything other than who he was, even in the first scene when he abducted Walt.

Ah yes... lying about the cockpit.

Thats interesting, I never noticed a theme about Jack and his relationship with Boone.
Are the commentaries available for every episode, or only a select few on each disc?

I think there's only four episodes on the season 1 DVDs that have commentaries.. let me check..

Yes, only four: Pilot 1/2, Walkabout, The Moth, and Hearts and Minds. I guess you could say that's five, but I won't split hairs.
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I don't think Tom has ever lied, has he?

Tom was lying about Kate not being his type. Kate is *everyone's* type. But not more so than Juliet. I don't know. It's all so confusing. It's like I'm 12 all over again.

It's like trying to choose between Maddie Hayes and Laura Holt. It's impossible.

Tom was lying about Kate not being his type. Kate is *everyone's* type. But not more so than Juliet. I don't know. It's all so confusing. It's like I'm 12 all over again.

I'm sure you're not serious... NO woman will be everyone's type, imo. I find Kate
very cute, but Juliet (to me) isn't even pretty at all. My son agrees.

Besides, Tom was most likely NOT lying--he could be gay for all we know. Maybe Jack is his type. :biggrin:

I don't find Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise appealing, and many women do. SO, they are
not my type even though they are universally considered "hot". Just proving the
point that no one is 'everyone's type'.

Back to the thread subject though. I see a vast difference between the folks who lie on a daily basis- kind of make a habit of it- versus those who might lie once in awhile.
It will be interesting to find out (if we ever do) what the Others see as "GOOD" enough
for the lists. It might just be the biggest mystery on the show.

I'm sure you're not serious... NO woman will be everyone's type, imo. I find Kate
very cute, but Juliet (to me) isn't even pretty at all. My son agrees.

Besides, Tom was most likely NOT lying--he could be gay for all we know. Maybe Jack is his type. :biggrin:


Thou hath called it. I am in a state of complete non-seriousness. :hypocrit::hypocrit::hypocrit:


Now, apologize to Mr. Cheney before you anger him further.

I wonder if Ben is on the list - he seems to be a rather BIG liar!

Jack has lied a bunch of times. His most memoriable for me is when he led the Losties into the trap without telling them it was a trap. Ok. Maybe it was a lie of omission instead of commission, but deceit just the same.

I still believe everyone in this show needs their mouth washed out with soap for lying.

Jack has lied a bunch of times. His most memoriable for me is when he led the Losties into the trap without telling them it was a trap. Ok. Maybe it was a lie of omission instead of commission, but deceit just the same.

I still believe everyone in this show needs their mouth washed out with soap for lying.

There isn't enough soap on the island!

There isn't enough soap on the island!


You have a very good point there!

Ben has never lied!Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha...sorry had to

Ben has never lied!Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha...sorry had to



Ben gets the award for never telling the truth!