Ah, Sayid. When he told Jack that Juliet wasn't coming with them I thought to myself, "Ah, that Sayid. So suspicious." And then I realized that maybe he has a good reason to be so suspicious of everyone. After all, he didn't trust Henry, and he had good reason to. Henry was not just an Other, he was their leader. So maybe he's right about Juliet?

Has Sayid ever been wrong? :rolleyes: When he was so dead set against Juliet going back with them, all I could think was didn't Jack learn anything from the thing with Michael? LISTEN TO SAYID, JACK!

Nothing goes further to convince me Juliet is evil than the fact that Sayid doesn't trust her.

They might twist this around though and make him wrong...that would be a:eek2:

He was wrong about Desmond, though, not wanting him to be a part of their conversation. But that seemed like more of a weariness than actual suspicion. But the way that Sayid looked at Kate at the end said it all. I want to trust Juliet, but Sayid is pretty good about this sort of thing.

He was wrong about Desmond, though, not wanting him to be a part of their conversation. But that seemed like more of a weariness than actual suspicion. But the way that Sayid looked at Kate at the end said it all. I want to trust Juliet, but Sayid is pretty good about this sort of thing.

This is the point I was going to make. He seems to be able to read people pretty well, with the exception of Desmond. And it's not always a case of him being overly suspicious - he trusted Danielle when the rest of our Losties were suspicious of her. He was also the first (and sadly, only) one at beach camp to realize that "Michael had been compromised".

This is the point I was going to make. He seems to be able to read people pretty well, with the exception of Desmond."


Are we 100% sure that he was wrong about Desmond? Don't get my wrong, Des is my favorite character...but how much do we really know about him, or anyone for that matter? In the back of my mind, no matter how I try to reason that the thought is wrong, is maybe Desmond might be too good to be true...if you get my drift. He seems way too perfect for this show. I hope he's not evil or whatever...but I wouldn't really care either way.

Anyways...I think Sayid has about a 98% accuracy about people judgements.I think being in the military, especially during wartime or any otherl if or death situation...does give someone extra perception.

Are we 100% sure that he was wrong about Desmond? Don't get my wrong, Des is my favorite character...but how much do we really know about him, or anyone for that matter? In the back of my mind, no matter how I try to reason that the thought is wrong, is maybe Desmond might be too good to be true...if you get my drift. He seems way too perfect for this show. I hope he's not evil or whatever...but I wouldn't really care either way.

Anyways...I think Sayid has about a 98% accuracy about people judgements.I think being in the military, especially during wartime or any otherl if or death situation...does give someone extra perception.

Oh, I can't deal with the though of evil Des. And it didn't really seem that Sayid was suspicious of him, just annoyed by his presence in the conversation. However, I think Desmond's "flashes" may be too good to be true, but that's a topic better saved for the Desmond boards.

He was also the first (and sadly, only) one at beach camp to realize that "Michael had been compromised".
Ah yes, Michael. I'd forgotten about him. But yes, Sayid was definitely right about that one, and he hadn't spent nearly as much time with him as Jack had.

Ah yes, Michael. I'd forgotten about him. But yes, Sayid was definitely right about that one, and he hadn't spent nearly as much time with him as Jack had.

And the same could be said for Juliet (regarding the amount of time spent with her by Jack vs. Sayid). Although I'm not 100% convinced that Jack hasn't been "compromised" as well (assuming Juliet's lying). Do you think Sayid would spot it if he had? Michael was kind of a bad liar...:rolleyes:

I think that the look on Sayid's face at the end of "Left Behind" said that he is going to be watching Jack carefully to see whether or not his judgement is still sound. Sayid has the best ability to assess character of anyone there.

Sayid has the best ability to assess character of anyone there.


100% right on the money with that one!! Even though that's true, everytime Sayid makes a decision about whether someone is lying about something, I am waiting for him to be wrong once! It has to happen sometime.

100% right on the money with that one!! Even though that's true, everytime Sayid makes a decision about whether someone is lying about something, I am waiting for him to be wrong once! It has to happen sometime.

Actually, it has. I had completely forgotten about it. I've been rewatching season 1 and was reminded of an error in judegement on Sayid's part in Confidence Man. Sayid is questioning everyone after being knocked out while attempting to triangulate the signal. Locke lies to his face and points him in Sawyer's direction. Sayid eats it right up and ends up torturing Sawyer, again over an error in reading someone (Sawyer never had the asthma medicine). But 9 out of 10 times I still say Sayid is right.

Ah yes, poor Sawyer. But in Sayid's defense, Locke was really good with all that! It was in the beginning, people were scared, and Locke knew exactly when to strike.

Yeah, but you'd think Sayid would have seen through Locke's lying. I mean, he was able to later on when Locke lied about the hatch. Maybe that knock to the head temporarily harmed his ability. ;)

Hmmm...I wrote up a response about how those situations were different, but it didn't really hold water. I think it helps that Locke was able to shift the blame. The second time around he was lying about behaviors that Sayid was actually witnessing.
Oops, I accidentally blew up the station.
Oh I know! Locke was missing the passionate speech that he had the first time around. Tricky Locke.

Sayid is ALWAYS right. So I won't be trusting Juliet as I haven't been. The fact that she knows so much about Jack instantly made me hate the character and not trust her. She is EVIL for just getting into Jack's business...his PERSONAL life.

And the same could be said for Juliet (regarding the amount of time spent with her by Jack vs. Sayid). Although I'm not 100% convinced that Jack hasn't been "compromised" as well (assuming Juliet's lying). Do you think Sayid would spot it if he had? Michael was kind of a bad liar...:rolleyes:

I do think Sayid is the best judge in character of all the Losties, but in the case of Juliet I wonder if he's spent enough time around her to make a judgement. With Ben, Michael and even Mikhaul, he had a chance to talk to them, hear their stories and then decide. I don't think he's had enough time with Juliet to do that yet. My reaction to Sayid's comment was that Sayid is suspicious of the others, and since Juliet is an other, he is automatically suspicious of her until proven otherwise.

I do think Sayid is the best judge in character of all the Losties, but in the case of Juliet I wonder if he's spent enough time around her to make a judgement. With Ben, Michael and even Mikhaul, he had a chance to talk to them, hear their stories and then decide. I don't think he's had enough time with Juliet to do that yet. My reaction to Sayid's comment was that Sayid is suspicious of the others, and since Juliet is an other, he is automatically suspicious of her until proven otherwise.

Yes, he definitely has an Others=bad mentality (although with what he's seen of them so far, why wouldn't he?). I think his feelings toward Juliet will be hard to change, especially because he blames the Others for the death of Shannon. He's got a lot of anger stored up with their names on it. Juliet's only chance with Sayid is convincing him that she is/was truly against Ben.

He was right about Mike, I trust Sayid

Sayid is going to be suspicious about any Other and since they just kept him chained to a swing set (and didn't even let him play!) for a day or so, he may have a less than accepting attitude right now. Of course, that doesn't mean he is wrong. He had the same reasons with Henry/Ben and he was right.

He may well have been right about Desmond. He didn't totally distrust him but he was wary. Desmond does come seem a bit off and it may be his slight oddness that sets off Sayid's warning bells.

Well, he was right about Juliet. Good for him. Maybe he should torture Jack.

Well, he was right about Juliet. Good for him. Maybe he should torture Jack.

Hee! Best episode ever! :biggrin:


Sayid's suspicious nature is what makes him such a great character to rely on. Many of the other people can get so manipulated and stupid about their situation, but when you see Sayid nearby, you know he's going to make things clearer. He has every right to be suspicious about Juliet and every right to challenge Jack's inflated ego.

He has every right to be suspicious about Juliet and every right to challenge Jack's inflated ego.
And what an inflated ego it is! Jack's been gone for three weeks, and everyone is ok. Yet, he comes back and thinks that he's just going to be accepted back as the leader without earning it back? No one knows what's happened to him, and he doesn't bother to tell them. Instead, he is secretive and short. I think that Sayid should be the one to point this out.

Well, he was right about Juliet. Good for him. Maybe he should torture Jack.

:rotflmao2: You made me spit out my drink, Kitty!

But seriously, someone needs to take Jack down a couple of pegs after this week's episode. Could Sayid be the person to do just that? Or will he be too preoccupied with his newfound suspicion of Juliet? Stay tuned...

Hmmm...maybe you should do the promos for next week, strwbrry. :rolleyes:

Hmmm...maybe you should do the promos for next week, strwbrry. :rolleyes:

My promo would just be a clip show of the men of Lost shirtless...every week. I think I'd be fired pretty fast...

I think Sayid is a living crap detector...I love the sideway looks he give people when he knows they are full of it...sadly, we haven't seen enough of him lately.

Let's hope he takes a long walk with Jules soon..

I think Sayid is a living crap detector...I love the sideway looks he give people when he knows they are full of it...sadly, we haven't seen enough of him lately.

Let's hope he takes a long walk with Jules soon..

That's the perfect way to describe Sayid! I like it...

Truly, we have seen very little of Sayid for some time, but it looks like TPTB are bringing him back into the story more. As this season has focused heavily on the Others, there is now much to be suspicious of. Cue Sayid...

I haven't been on in a while, but as soon as I saw this thread, I realized I wasn't the only one who had figured out that Sayid is nearly always right about who's not to be trusted. Yay!

When they showed Juliet's flashback to the conversation with Ben, I was cheering--because my husband-- oops, I mean, Sayid --was right again.

New favorite Sayid line--"What do you suppose I am going to do to you if you don't?"

Strwbrry--I'd watch just for the promos! :biggrin:

New favorite Sayid line--"What do you suppose I am going to do to you if you don't?"

haha that was a great one, wasn't it! Too bad stupid Jack had to walk in after that. I'd love to see Sayid go all interrogator on Juliet. I don't think saving Claire will fool Sayid for a second, like it apparently fooled everyone else. Sayid may be the only hope they have left.
Although, I think my favorite Sayid line of that episode, was:

Jack: The fact that I trust her should be enough!
Sayid: It's not!

:biggrin: loved that

Completely agree! I'm glad to see someone let Jack know that things have changed.

Completely agree! I'm glad to see someone let Jack know that things have changed.

Sadly, Jack still didn't get it. I was hoping we'd get to see Sayid (or anyone) take things into his own hands this week, but it looks like they may just let Juliet be until whatever she's planning blows up in their faces.

"It's not." I loved that too. So cool.
And maybe someone should torture Jack, he's driving me crazy!

Sayid is trained to tell when people are lying. He tortured prisoners until they told the truth. I am sure many people lied just to have him stop torturing. He had to have learned how to tell a lie under duress from the truth. He has been spot on in every situation so far. It makes me wonder why he is not given more respect, his opinion should be taken mus more seriously than it is. Enough with Jack and his poor leadership already, Sayid for tribal leader!!!

His mistake with Sawyer is kind of understandable. Sawyer had been acting like a donkey-hole to everyone, he tried beating Sayid up because he is Iraqi, Sawyer had already pissed Sayid off royally and I think that more than anything else, he wanted to believe Locke when Locke pointed him towards Sawyer.

Oh yes, there he goes again. I didn't like the attitude that Naomi gave him. After all that they've gone through, she should be understanding of the fact that they're suspicious. Eh, maybe they haven't told her much.
But I say that if Sayid's suspicious, then maybe there's something to be suspicious about...

I liked the little bit of Sayid we saw in Wednesday's wonderful episode.

"Of COURSE you don't know where Jack is."

"Of COURSE you didn't see the helicopter." (from 5/3)

Sayid really has a "What else can go wrong?" attitude now, doesn't he? He's resigned to the weirdness--he actually expects all his plans to be thwarted, so he doesn't get his hopes up.

I LOVED the "Of course you don't" to Kate.
And looky looky, his suspicions were right about Jack. Does Jack have a plan to save them? Apparently. But that doesn't change the fact that Jack was hiding something from the group and collaborating with an Other, whether current or former.
One more right for Sayid.

I loved the way Sayid took care of one of the others after Hurley ran one over with the VW...LOL Snapped his kneck like it was a twig!!!!! Sweet!! I love his character and was afraid when we heard the gun shots on the other end of the radio, my favorite character was dead........ That would have destroyed the show for me........I've been there and know the culture he is easy for me to write on the one thread i'm on!!!!!

Also, like the way people have to earn his respect, he been through hell and back being part of the Republican Guard and losing Nadina and then loving again only to have Shannon shot......

No wonder he's so blunt when he talks......

EM

I loved that neck-snapping thing too! When he put the guy's head between his legs I was like, "Oh, here we go, here we go!" and SNAP! Sayid is such a bad***.
And yes, poor him losing Nadia and Shannon. But I think that helps him to be more cautious than some of the others.

I loved that neck-snapping thing too! When he put the guy's head between his legs I was like, "Oh, here we go, here we go!" and SNAP! Sayid is such a bad***.
And yes, poor him losing Nadia and Shannon. But I think that helps him to be more cautious than some of the others.


Yes you are right all those factors have made him very suspicious as well as cautious of everything and everybody!!!! He doesn't see a true leader in the group like there was in the beginning. And all that he has done for them, seems to go very unapreciated. He seems so underused. Sayid could be a major player if they would just let him!!!!

EM

Hey, guess who was right to be suspicious of Naomi! So what if he didn't get it exactly right, he was the only one that didn't believe her without question.:) And Sayid snapping that guy's neck was one of the highlights of the season finale. That man is so amazing. ;)

In that situation, on that island, I think you'd be a fool not to be initially suspicious of anyone and everyone you meet. Or, as Ronald Reagan famously said, "Trust, but verify."

Keep in mind, too, that Sayid is a trained interrogator, and he is accustomed to reading people's eyes and "tells" to determine if and when they are lying. And Ben was lying. And Juliet was lying. And Naomi was lying.

His skills should be pretty important at this stage. If new people are coming to the island and Ben deems them as "bad" then I think Sayid should be around to offer his opinion.

hmmmn .. there is a difference between suspicion & the sensse of foreboding, & i think Sayid is great at both.

i think he is the most awesome & kickass character on LOST.:cool:


i sooooooooooooooooooooo LOVE him! :)

Hello all,

I write for Sayid in Original Idea and he has been a real challenge in mixing his serious soldier side with his sense of humor ( He is also my favorite character on the show ). I try and make sure that I get all his details right and try to get the right mix for him when I write, depending on the situation and mood he or others around him are in. He is not easy to write for well and and do it well, for it to trully sound like him. Being a soldier myself and being in the 1st Gulf War has helped, esp. knowing the culture first hand. I think between Sayid and Kate they are the two best characters on the show, they are true survivors, but both live with a lot of ghosts. I am asking for anyones opinion as to my writting, as he is so complex.

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In the show I think his skills ( if the group is smart ) will be relied upon and utilized.

Intersted: Keep in mind, too, that Sayid is a trained interrogator, and he is accustomed to reading people's eyes and "tells" to determine if and when they are lying. And Ben was lying. And Juliet was lying. And Naomi was lying.

You are so right about his abilities and how everyone that was there to do them harm he was the first to be suspicous.

Shannon was the only one to bring his softer side back out. Now with her gone, I don't think it will show again. I think he will stay in the background, until asked for. He's not pushy and there are few people left that he trusts, in my opinion. Supposedly, there is to be a future Epi. with a flashback telling us about his family and mother.

I agree, his skills and reading people's expressions and eyes will be invaluable if the group chooses to listen to him. As he only speaks when something important needs to be said. His softer side is hidden becuase of his days as a LT performing interrogations, finally being broken of the art by encountering his childhood friend Nadia. Even though he kept her in a cell for a month he brought her extra food and tried to get her to talk to get her freed. Then the order to execute her made him vow never to do it again.

But he has been pushed in the show to do it, but he really has to be pushed or think it is absolutely necessary to torture. He knew by Ben's eyes, in there first encounter that he was lieing, but was overrulled. But I don't think Ben and Sayid are done yet.

And my favorite part of the ending is a toss up between Hurley running over the others with the bus and Sayid snapping the guys kneck almost effortlessly.

Well I need to quit before this becomes a book.

Eagleman

Shannon was the only one to bring his softer side back out. Now with her gone, I don't think it will show again. Eagleman
I think that if Shannon would be alive, Sayid tryes to keep himself protected, at least for protecting her. Do you remember his phrase: "I have whom to protect" - unfortunarelly, now he is practically in solutude, whithout anyone espessial to protect. So he consider himself not to be protected because nobody waits for him, nobody particular wants to stay with him... no one FOR WHOM he may keep himself safe.

What about his family... yes, that's interesting to know about it.. have you noticed that practically all lostiers have the stories or flashbaks about family, parents (Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Charlie, Clair, Desmond, Jin, Sun and some more...)...and Sayid not... his flashbacks touches only his personal past..no mentions about father, mother. other relatives...Does it mean that his family has something in common with the revealing of some island secrets... such as Dharma Initiative or something like that... maybee it may sound strange, but.. Dharma as far as I understood is a multinational project... why some Iraquean representatives can't take part in it?

About his suspisious nature.. it's good, that at least one man on the island don't belief to anything he heard and tryes to use logic and to check before believing... It helps not only him, but for the whole lostiers. And in complex with his technical skills it may help them to get away off the island...

I think that if Shannon would be alive, Sayid tryes to keep himself protected, at least for protecting her. Do you remember his phrase: "I have whom to protect" - unfortunarelly, now he is practically in solutude, whithout anyone espessial to protect. So he consider himself not to be protected because nobody waits for him, nobody particular wants to stay with him... no one FOR WHOM he may keep himself safe.

What about his family... yes, that's interesting to know about it.. have you noticed that practically all lostiers have the stories or flashbaks about family, parents (Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Charlie, Clair, Desmond, Jin, Sun and some more...)...and Sayid not... his flashbacks touches only his personal past..no mentions about father, mother. other relatives...Does it mean that his family has something in common with the revealing of some island secrets... such as Dharma Initiative or something like that... maybee it may sound strange, but.. Dharma as far as I understood is a multinational project... why some Iraquean representatives can't take part in it?

About his suspisious nature.. it's good, that at least one man on the island don't belief to anything he heard and tryes to use logic and to check before believing... It helps not only him, but for the whole lostiers. And in complex with his technical skills it may help them to get away off the island...


Very interesting viewpoint, I forgot Sayid's quote. So if I understand you correctly he is only interested in taking care of himself if the other losties want his help or he feels they need his protection. Is that a correct assumption?

Eagleman