Did the references to Kate, Sawyer and babies seem a little too convenient in this episode? Could Kate be pregnant?

1- Cassidy tells Kate she is pregnant (with Sawyer's baby).
2- Sawyer interacts with Aaron for the first time that I remember in the series.
3- Kate wakes up in the jungle handcuffed to Juliet (a fertility doctor).
4- Kate knows that Jack saw her and Sawyer together in the cage.

Could this all add up to a new twist to the Kate, Sawyer, Jack love triangle? Kate and Jack get together, but then she finds out that she is pregnant with Sawyer's baby?

Did the references to Kate, Sawyer and babies seem a little too convenient in this episode? Could Kate be pregnant?

1- Cassidy tells Kate she is pregnant (with Sawyer's baby).
2- Sawyer interacts with Aaron for the first time that I remember in the series.
3- Kate wakes up in the jungle handcuffed to Juliet (a fertility doctor).
4- Kate knows that Jack saw her and Sawyer together in the cage.

Could this all add up to a new twist to the Kate, Sawyer, Jack love triangle? Kate and Jack get together, but then she finds out that she is pregnant with Sawyer's baby?

I don't think she is, and if she is I doubt Juliet knows about it. (or she wouldn't have flipped her over)

C'mon, isn't Lost already soap operish enough lol?

I've lost track of island time a little, but it really hasn't been very long since she and Sawyer made love. That came near the end of their two weeks in the cages, and she was barely back to the beach before leaving again. It's probably only been a week at the most. Please correct me if my timeline is off.

Sawyer has interacted with Aaron before when Charlie discovered that the sound of his voice made Aaron stop crying and he was reading magazines to him.

Aw, nice Idea. But I dont think she is pregnant. That would almost ruin the show.

actually racechick...i like that observation. and i like the idea.

Is there ANY reason why some of you want to see all female characters on the show getting pregnant?

1- Cassidy tells Kate she is pregnant (with Sawyer's baby).
2- Sawyer interacts with Aaron for the first time that I remember in the series.
3- Kate wakes up in the jungle handcuffed to Juliet (a fertility doctor).
4- Kate knows that Jack saw her and Sawyer together in the cage.



No offence, but how exactly do these facts add up to her being pregnant?

I think that is a stretch.

I actually have thought for some time that eventually Kate will get pregnant. Clearly, we won't know much until a possible Season 5 or something like that. As for why these women keep getting pregnant, well, I think issues around parenting abound in this show, and that coupled with the convenient on-island maternity ward and in-house fertility doctors, it's not a stretch.

No, I don't think so. We already have one new mother and one pregnant woman. There are only three main women left among the beach people.

If she is, it's too soon to know.

I certainly hope not, the show is getting waaaay too soap operaish for my tastes already.

... and this is coming from a pregnant woman ;)

Even if she is pregnant, each season seems to only last about 1 month. So if it runs for another 2 or even 3 seasons, then she won't have been pregnant long enough to give birth. Sun has been pregnant for a while, I don't even see a bump on her, so if there are any theories like 'maybe people go through pregnancy really quick on the island' I think that Sun and Claire kind of stunt that theory. Claire was... 8 months? I think when she arrived. Then it took a while for her to give birth, she was pretty much on track, not like she got there and suddenly gave birth.

Anyway, even in the unlikely event that Sun and Kate do swell up and pop out brats, I say let's do it. I don't like Sun or Kate, so it will be good to see them in agony, and also it'll cut down their activity in the show if they are pregged up and having to sit around all day doing nothing.

Even if she is pregnant, each season seems to only last about 1 month. So if it runs for another 2 or even 3 seasons, then she won't have been pregnant long enough to give birth. Sun has been pregnant for a while, I don't even see a bump on her, so if there are any theories like 'maybe people go through pregnancy really quick on the island' I think that Sun and Claire kind of stunt that theory. Claire was... 8 months? I think when she arrived. Then it took a while for her to give birth, she was pretty much on track, not like she got there and suddenly gave birth.

Anyway, even in the unlikely event that Sun and Kate do swell up and pop out brats, I say let's do it. I don't like Sun or Kate, so it will be good to see them in agony, and also it'll cut down their activity in the show if they are pregged up and having to sit around all day doing nothing.


I think Sun has been pregnant for about... 3 and a half months. Maybe 4. Thats at the most, assuming we're supposed to assume it might be Jae's baby. I'm iffy at that. Anyways most women with their first child don't pop out all too soon. If she's only a month or so pregnant she's definitely not having a bump.

Claire gave birth to Aaron on day 41 on the island. Thats right on time for a first baby. 10 days or so late... assuming she was exactly 8 months pregnant when they crashed.

Lots of assuming going on here, but it's Lost, what can you do. Anyways, you're right, even if they are pregnant its going to take some sped up island time for us to notice it.

Did the references to Kate, Sawyer and babies seem a little too convenient in this episode? Could Kate be pregnant?

1- Cassidy tells Kate she is pregnant (with Sawyer's baby).
2- Sawyer interacts with Aaron for the first time that I remember in the series.
3- Kate wakes up in the jungle handcuffed to Juliet (a fertility doctor).
4- Kate knows that Jack saw her and Sawyer together in the cage.

Could this all add up to a new twist to the Kate, Sawyer, Jack love triangle? Kate and Jack get together, but then she finds out that she is pregnant with Sawyer's baby?

I feel that what wasn't in the episode shows that Kate is not pregnant.

Given what we know about how the writers love to drop something in the middle of an episode that is forgotten until the next season, or beyond, the end scene between Cassie & Kate is very telling.

If the writers follow the usual pattern, then Cassie does tell Kate Sawyer's name, but adds the usual 'but that probably isn't even his real name' qualifier. Kate, now thinking this is a throw-a-way line, promply forgets about itbecause, a) Cassie doesn't want her to pursue him and b) Kate has other things to worry about.

Later (much later) Kate realizes she is pregnant, and something happens between her & Sawyer to trigger this long forgotten fact. She is dumbstruck, and so are most viewers.

Too good an opportunity to pass up if Kate were indeed pregnant.

So, no new Fords on the island.

But Sun is pregnant so odds are they wont make 2 female characters pregnant. But I guess who knows - those links are entirely plausible.
However if this event had happened in season1 - my faith in the writing, direction and greatness of the show wouldn't have minded this development. But in the depth of season 3 - i shrink in lynchian horror at this proposition. Would only be handled badly indeed.

So, no new Fords on the island.

Amen to that! :eek2:

Is there ANY reason why some of you want to see all female characters on the show getting pregnant?

Well, when people have unprotected sex over a period of time, it's what usually results. Realistically, it's what we would expect (and I don't think The Others left any little foil packets in the cage w/ Kate and Sawyer either - nor in the later "Catch 22" episode.)

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Given how happy he was to find out the first time that he was going to be father, let's hope not! He even said it himself - to Kate. So for both their sakes, I really hope not.

Well, when people have unprotected sex over a period of time, it's what usually results. Realistically, it's what we would expect (and I don't think The Others left any little foil packets in the cage w/ Kate and Sawyer either - nor in the later "Catch 22" episode.)

Sun was already pregnant when they dropped in the fact that sperm count was five times higher than normal on the Island. That seems a bit of a clue that a Ford baby could result from only their cage tryst. Since then, they have had sex at least two more time and Kate obviously believes she could be pregnant since she brought the subject up in TTLG. So the odds are getting greater.

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It would be stupid misinformed for them to think that is effective at preventing pregnancy, even in the regular world. It's not.

Given how happy he was to find out the first time that he was going to be father, let's hope not! He even said it himself - to Kate. So for both their sakes, I really hope not.

I would bet my gun collection, my truck and my house cat that she is definately pregnant.

Okay let's add it up here.

1. EMFH - This episode was never to tell us that Sawyer was in prison. It wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure out that he had been at least once. This episode was clearly to show us that Sawyer could father a child. And the fact that he denied that Clementine was his was a reflex to the idea of having a child. And the whole reason for that is because of his own childhood. And let's not forget that he did set up his "commission" as a fund for her. If he wasn't sure she was his, would he have done this? Of course not!!

2. I Do - Kate believing she was pregnant so much to take a test and then cry when she wasn't, so much so that it was the catalyst that caused her to leave Kevin.

3. I Do - The Sawyer and Kate love scenes made it very clear that this was not protected sex. They showed the love scene, they showed us the post coital scene and they showed us that Kate stated with Sawyer and stayed in his arms that night.

4. Left Behind - The backstory of Kate with Cassidy and the barbeque where Sawyer held Aaron for the first time.

5. Catch 22 - Another instance of unprotected sex and neither one of them even seemed to be considering protection.

6. The Brig - Again, sex between the two of them which we know had happened because of the obvious showing of Kate's are draped over Sawyer.

7. Through the Looking Glass - Sawyer's comment of not wanting her to be pregnant, WAS NOT because he didn't want her to be or didn't want to be a father, it was because he was afraid of what could happen to her, and the possibility of her dying in child birth.

Sun was already pregnant when they dropped in the fact that sperm count was five times higher than normal on the Island. That seems a bit of a clue that a Ford baby could result from only their cage tryst. Since then, they have had sex at least two more time and Kate obviously believes she could be pregnant since she brought the subject up in TTLG. So the odds are getting greater.

I think the bottom line is that Kate is definately pregnant. The 5 times higher sperm count is only a small part of it. And the thing is, if there is any truth to the theme of redemption at all, what better way for Kate and Sawyer to achieve redemption than to be the parents neither of them ever had.

Remember in Confidence Man, Sawyer walked away from the con with Jessica when he found out she had a child. He dropped it right there and walked out the door. He has a soft spot for children, based on the horrors he went through at the same age.

And in What Kate Did, we saw Diane sell out her own daughter for an abusive husband. The marshall even told her, "your mama gave you up Kate." She put her child second to her wife-beater husband.

So to sum this all up, I believe totally that Kate is pregnant and I'm thrilled about it, if for no other reason that it will kill the triangle. There is no way Jack is going to want Kate if she's carrying another man's baby. That's a given! At least as far as I'm concerned.

I wouldn't bet everything because nothing is definite and you can't be so sure about this, and imo I really doubt they'll go down that road again. (and God help Kate if they do given Sawyer's love of children and all). And even if for some crazy reason they did - Jack loves Kate unconditionally and he knows full well how they were set up and how Sawyer and Kate's circumstances were contrived and all a part of Ben's plan. Circumstances. period!! That's all that was. And Jack would never turn his back on Kate, however, Sawyer with his touching speech, doesn't bode well for them either.

Doc

I would bet my gun collection, my truck and my house cat that she is definately pregnant.

Betting the cat? I call that bold. Good mousers are hard to come by. ;) I'd also add Kate's behavior at the water trough at the end of Catch-22. She looked a bit off, and I can't remember another time when Kate didn't seem physically well. And of course there are the larger themes at work. I wouldn't be surprised if the Others' temple is built around an enormous Widmore pregnancy testing stick. Perhaps only tangentially related: in the video shown at ComicCon, Halowax refers to the Orchid station, but he's wearing a Swan lab coat. The swan orchid is rare in that it has both male and female flowers (http://www.beautifulorchids.com/orchids/orchids_potted/cycnoches/cynocdes/cycnodes.html), and it's known for maturing rapidly (http://www.odoms.com/orchidtips.cfm).
More fertility/pregnancy hints?

I think they'll tease us with the possibility for a long time before we find out one way or another.

Betting the cat? I call that bold. Good mousers are hard to come by. ;)

Lizzie, you kill me!!! Thankfully I don't have any mice right now...Okay then I'll bet the truck. I been wantin' a new one anyways.

I'd also add Kate's behavior at the water trough at the end of Catch-22. She looked a bit off, and I can't remember another time when Kate didn't seem physically well.

Oh that's right, I forgot about that one!

And of course there are the larger themes at work. I wouldn't be surprised if the Others' temple is built around an enormous Widmore pregnancy testing stick. Perhaps only tangentially related: in the video shown at ComicCon, Halowax refers to the Orchid station, but he's wearing a Swan lab coat. The swan orchid is rare in that it has both male and female flowers (http://www.beautifulorchids.com/orchids/orchids_potted/cycnoches/cynocdes/cycnodes.html), and it's known for maturing rapidly (http://www.odoms.com/orchidtips.cfm).
More fertility/pregnancy hints?

I think they'll tease us with the possibility for a long time before we find out one way or another.

Wow, good catch!!!

It seems to me that one of the reasons so many fans think Kate is not pregnant is because the storyline would be redundant. However, I think Sun’s pregnancy and Kate’s will be dealt with in two different ways. Sun’s has the sad potential to end tragically; unless she gets off the Island before the third trimester. Kate, on the other hand, would have conceived either in the cages or immediately after she returned to the beach. All of her encounters with Sawyer occurred after the purple sky event. I can see at least three possibilities that could make things different for Kate:

1. The release of all the energy that had built up on the Island when the Hatch exploded and the sky turned purple could have opened a window in which pregnancy (or conception) would be safe at least until enough time has passed for the energy to accumulate again.

2. If Kate conceived while they were on Alcatraz, rather than the Island the Losties call home, that might make a difference.

3. Ben said they needed to find more mothers. The breakfast conversation between Ben and Kate where he made the comment about the next two week could be an indication that they were aware of Kate’s cycle and setting her up to become another test subject. Juliet was looking for a cure; she could have injected Kate with an experimental drug that works.

I see these two pregnancies as separate issues that could have very different outcomes. The anvils dropped in the last half of S3 indicating a possible Kate pregnancy were pretty heavy. You have the five times higher sperm count, getting Kate and Sawyer together two more time so viewers didn’t say they only did it once, Kate looking a little ill in the mixed tape scene, a fertility doctor on the Island, and last but not least; the common theme of daddy (or parental) issues that runs though all of Lost.

Of course this is all speculation but the clues are there.

It seems to me that one of the reasons so many fans think Kate is not pregnant is because the storyline would be redundant. However, I think Sun’s pregnancy and Kate’s will be dealt with in two different ways. Sun’s has the sad potential to end tragically; unless she gets off the Island before the third trimester. Kate, on the other hand, would have conceived either in the cages or immediately after she returned to the beach. All of her encounters with Sawyer occurred after the purple sky event. I can see at least three possibilities that could make things different for Kate:

1. The release of all the energy that had built up on the Island when the Hatch exploded and the sky turned purple could have opened a window in which pregnancy (or conception) would be safe at least until enough time has passed for the energy to accumulate again.

2. If Kate conceived while they were on Alcatraz, rather than the Island the Losties call home, that might make a difference.

3. Ben said they needed to find more mothers. The breakfast conversation between Ben and Kate where he made the comment about the next two week could be an indication that they were aware of Kate’s cycle and setting her up to become another test subject. Juliet was looking for a cure; she could have injected Kate with an experimental drug that works.

I see these two pregnancies as separate issues that could have very different outcomes. The anvils dropped in the last half of S3 indicating a possible Kate pregnancy were pretty heavy. You have the five times higher sperm count, getting Kate and Sawyer together two more time so viewers didn’t say they only did it once, Kate looking a little ill in the mixed tape scene, a fertility doctor on the Island, and last but not least; the common theme of daddy (or parental) issues that runs though all of Lost.

Of course this is all speculation but the clues are there.

Losttv, you are such a genius.

I agree some pretty heavy anvils have been dropped and that they could do some interesting things with a Kate pregnancy story. I think Sawyer's response to Kate at the creek was partly coming from the dark space he is in right now and that he doesn't want or need that problem at this time, and his worry about what pregnancy on the island means to Kate. I think they can create all kinds of Skate angst with this story line that could be interesting. I believe that is why they are introducing it--whether she ends up being pregnant or not, it will be a test of Skate's relationship while they are waiting to find out. If they get through this without hating each other, I think that they will make it as a couple.

Huh, I started out not really liking the idea of a Kate pregnancy and my post just convinced me it might not be so bad. Weird. I just talked myself into something.
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7. Through the Looking Glass - Sawyer's comment of not wanting her to be pregnant, WAS NOT because he didn't want her to be or didn't want to be a father, it was because he was afraid of what could happen to her, and the possibility of her dying in child birth.


This is not the way i interpreted it. I personnaly think that Sawyer just killed a man again(Locke's father) and start thinking again that he's not a good man (he doesn't want to talk about it to kate because he's not very proud of him...) so he thinks that having a child will be a disaster for the child...because he would probably be a lousy dad, a murder...and i think he doesn't want this for his child...he suffered enough for his parents flaws that's why he said to kate "let's hope you're not" to me.

Well we all know what a great dad he is to his first child. But calypso, you made a really good point. Sawyer was out of his mind at that particular moment, given the events leading up to then, so hearing the possibility that Kate could possibly be pregnant probably freaked him out about then. I never looked at it the way you pointed out. If Sawyer does indeed want to be a better man for more than just himself then killing Cooper is going to be a tough one for him to get over. I think he really thought he might feel a bit more satisfaction after Cooper was dead, but instead he got sick to his stomach and maybe didn't find that "relief" or revenge he had be looking for his entire life. So, for him, the possibility of another baby is probably not on the top is his "to do" list. Thanks for that perspective. I do try and want to understand Sawyer and why he does the things he does.

Take Care.

Doc

For the sake of argument, let's say that Kate is indeed pregnant. How does everyone see that pregnancy playing into the overall storyline which revolves so heavily around the theme of fertility and reproduction?

For the sake of argument, let's say that Kate is indeed pregnant. How does everyone see that pregnancy playing into the overall storyline which revolves so heavily around the theme of fertility and reproduction?


Great question Darbi. I think it will force Kate and Sawyer to deal with issues they have both previously avoided or run from. On the Island they will be forced to face the music.

Sawyer took responsibility for Clementine by providing for her financially, but he formed no emotional bond with her or her mother. The very idea of being pregnant scared Kate enough for her to drug Kevin and leave him.

Neither of these characters feels equipped to be a parent. The very idea scares both of them. They had horrible role models and both probably view parenthood as a crime. Why wouldn’t they considering the scars they both carry from their childhoods?

Now they can’t run. If they have created a child; they not only have that to deal with that fact but they must deal with the very real possibility that it may result in Kate’s death. Sawyer has always had a soft, protective spot for children. How much fiercer will that protectiveness become when the life of the only woman he has ever loved and his own child’s are at stake.

Kate seemed, at the end of S3, to be looking for a way to reconnect with Sawyer after the Cooper killing. She was desperate enough to put the pregnancy issue out there hoping to re-focus his attention back on their relationship and this potential pregnancy. Sawyer’s response indicated that he knows that Kate’s life would be in jeopardy if she is, in fact, pregnant.

Their communication skills are going to be tested in S4. Sawyer has already shown that he has become less snarky and much more focused on dealing with the reality of the danger they are in. He has also begun to bond with several of the Losties. He is no longer an outcast, but Kate hasn’t even seen this new Sawyer nor does she understand both what changed him (Hurley prodding him to step up) or what happened in The Brig (Locke using him to kill Cooper).

Kate, in the meantime, has gotten some measure of the approval she has always sought from Jack and Jack has made it clear that he understands what Sawyer was doing, had done the same thing himself when he asked Kate not to come back for him. He understands that Sawyer was trying, as he had, to keep Kate safe. It appears to me that at the moment Jack and Sawyer understand each other very well. I would like to see more of that dynamics.

Sawyer also has a support system outside of just Kate for the first time. He has made friends and shown that he has become protective about them as well. There are the beginnings of an acceptance of even Juliet. Kate has gotten an indication that Jack cares for her, understands Sawyer’s actions and has accepted their relationship. He also let her see that he has moved on with someone else. Now we are waiting for the reunions of all the couple and of course the focus will be on dealing with Charlie’s death, as it should be.

Can Kate reach out to the other women and do what women the world over do, talk out her fears and frustrations with a female friend? Can Sawyer get out of the bad place he is in because there are larger issues that involve people he now cares for that need his attention? Will a Kate pregnancy create a new bond between Kate and Sun, Kate and Juliet? Can Juliet’s calm persona provide Sawyer with someone who can perhaps help him deal with both the Cooper killing and taking Tom’s life? Juliet may turn out to be Sawyer’s lifeline and then there is Hurley.

Kate and Sawyer need the time they are going to be separated to come to terms with how they feel about each other and the implications of a new life they may have created. That won’t be easy with all the turmoil going on all around them, but if there is a redemption arc to their storyline, individually and as a couple, this is where it begins.

In S4 the group may have to choose between evading the newcomers/trying to gain rescue and whatever can be done to improve the chances of survival for the pregnant women. Trying to find a cure for the pregnancy-kills syndrome may involve putting greater trust in the remaining Others, especially Ben and Juliet; staying in one place, such as Otherville, despite the need to remain hidden; and devoting time and resources to finding a cure, instead of devoting those efforts to defense or rescue. Having two pregnant women doubles the stakes for the group and will make these choices more difficult for the group. Rightly or wrongly, Kate is a more central figure in the group at large than Sun. It'll be twice as hard to think, "She's on her own," than it would be if only Sun were pregnant.

Losttvfan, your list of possible issues for Kate and Sawyer personally was excellent. I'd love to see Kate's friendship with Sun progress and those two together become more of a force within the group's decisionmaking, perhaps seconded by Juliet and Claire. It's kind of a shame that it would take pregnancy to finally get these characters a place at the table, but I'll take what I can get. And I'll add one more thing. There's already a bond between Jin and Sawyer; a possible Kate pregnancy would probably strengthen it. Jin might not be the most effective advocate for a women-and-children-first policy; Sawyer would be a needed ally here.

Kate being pregnant, along with Sun, and to an extent, Claire being a mother, certainly places these women in the thick of a storyline that's just beginning to unfold. Like you Lizzie, I dislike the fact that it's taken pregnancy and motherhood to establish these women a strong place at the table, but if it means they become more vocal, and unapologetically so in the decision making process--giving them a chance to bond like females do over pregnancy, love, motherhood, fears, relationships, sex and a host of other things females bond over...along with Juliet, then I'll take what I can get.

Naturally, without more information of how the issue of fertility became a problem, and why correcting that problem is so pertinent, especially as Benry, and perhaps Juliet understand it, we can only speculate how large a role their pregnancies or Claire's goodness surrounding Aaron will play out.

I think it's safe to assume that the pregnancy storyline relates directly with Danielle, and it's likely it goes back further than when her team arrived on the island. I don't think it was any coincidence that she and Alex were reunited this past season. What significance it has, other than the emotional grace note it provided, is yet to be told. Hopefully, if not in a Danielle based fb, then via Benry, we'll learn more about them both, and the pregnancy issue through the islands history.

Theoratically, and this is a little off-topic, but I think the island is sick, like with a cancer, and has been for a long time. In its own way, it's been trying to heal itself, but has been unable to because of the technology that's been brought to the island that shouldn't be there. As a result, there's the amplified sperm count, and counter action of the children rejecting the mothers, or the mothers bodies rejecting the child...? Not sure. Oddly enough, it still has the ability to heal. Locke's broken spine, and his leg. Rose's cancer, Naomi's punctured lung...so on and so forth. But, because it's also sick, physically/consciously (?) it's also given people like Benry cancerous tumors, because it's pissed off. I've always thought the rogue type nature of the smoke monster was representative of that.

Also, (losttvfan, you brought this up the other day on a different thread, I believe) perhaps after the sky went purple, the island went into remission, like cancer patients do, making the window in which James and Kate conceived a safety zone. Fortunately, unlike Sun, Kate won't be racing against the clock, so to speak, which amps up the tension and drama for both their stories.

Just some thoughts...


Losttvfan, the points you brought out about James and Kate were quite interesting. How will they deal with their likely pregnancy? Will it make or break their relationship? I don't know, but I doubt however the writers have them deal with it, it won't go smoothly. And that's a good thing, because that leaves a lot of room for both of these characters to grow, and come to some realizations about themselves.

Lizzie, the Jin/James bond, I hope will play a significant part in the coming season and beyond. Also, I wholeheartedly hope that we'll see James apologize if not to Sun herself, then to Jin for what he did. Whatever happens with the people coming to that island, I agree that Jin, if it comes to a decision of who gets rescue will need an ally for the women and children first policy, and I believe James will provide that. We've been shown his soft spot for children, and if Kate's pregnant, then that protectiveness will become even more prominent. It would hark back and be a reversal of scenarios to S1 and the two men sailing off on the raft. Jin told Sun he was going to save her, refusing to stay behind even thought she begged, even tried to poison the man to get him to stay. And although it wasn't focused on, I believe part of the reason James shined a spotlight on Kate's fugitive status, and what she would do to get herself on that raft during 'BTR', was to keep her safely on the island. JMO, of course.

It should be a very exciting S4. ;)

Wow, such an interesting conversation. Okay let's see what I can add to this, probably not much since there's already such good ideas put out here. But I'll give it a try.

If Kate turns out to be pregnant, which I completely believe she is, it is going to force her and Sawyer to deal with the demons of their pasts. Neither of them had good childhoods and the very real posibility of having a child between them to love and protect will challenge them to get past that and give their child what they never had.

They will have to realize what is most important and it won't be their pasts. It will be loving and protecting each other and protecting the life of their child. I think the most interesting thing to observe is how this effects them both. We saw in EMFH, that Sawyer didn't want to be a father, but I wonder if it wasn't so much that he didn't want to be a father, as did he feel he wasn't worthy to be one? And the reason I say that is because he did leave the money for Clementine and he wanted to make sure she could never find out who the money was from. This makes me wonder if he felt as though he wasn't the kind of person who should be a father, because we know he had such a terrible childhood.

Now the next thing to think about is Kate. I think she believes she can't be a parent because of what she is. She thinks of herself as bad, as nothing and therefore, also, unworthy of being a parent. This was evident in I Do because of her breakin' down over the negative pregnancy test and the very posibility of being pregnant. She couldn't live a lie and she couldn't "do taco night".

Now the interesting thing is that if you take these two episodes and these two scenes and put them together, I think it can be said that the possibility of Kate being pregnant can actually result in the redemption of both characters as they would then be able to be what they never had, and that is good parents.

Because, no matter what the situation is and no matter what the difficulties are, Sawyer and Kate love each other and that isn't going to change.

For the sake of argument, let's say that Kate is indeed pregnant. How does everyone see that pregnancy playing into the overall storyline which revolves so heavily around the theme of fertility and reproduction?

That would be terrible.

Sun was already pregnant when they dropped in the fact that sperm count was five times higher than normal on the Island. That seems a bit of a clue that a Ford baby could result from only their cage tryst. Since then, they have had sex at least two more time and Kate obviously believes she could be pregnant since she brought the subject up in TTLG. So the odds are getting greater.

It certainly would seem they are leaning towards Kate being pregnant either next Season or in future seasons. There are too many nods towards this event. My guess is they may handle Sun's pregnancy differently from Kate's in such a way that they have to get Kate off the Island as Juliet wanted for the other mothers in the beginning. I still think a deal will be made to get Kate off the Island and Sawyer will probably stay behind.

It certainly would seem they are leaning towards Kate being pregnant either next Season or in future seasons. There are too many nods towards this event. My guess is they may handle Sun's pregnancy differently from Kate's in such a way that they have to get Kate off the Island as Juliet wanted for the other mothers in the beginning. I still think a deal will be made to get Kate off the Island and Sawyer will probably stay behind.

that make me think, and I'm not tired to say it, about this "there's always someone to go back for"... whatever happen in the FF Kate thinks there's no way to go back, that's not going to change but dig in, she knows that she has a reason to go back.

My apologies if this has already been mentioned elsewhere, but I felt the need to state this thought after reading the thread.

Could Kate's comment at the end of TTLG about getting back to "him" and "him" waiting for her (something like that)
could Kate have been referring to her child? I know people have discussed who Kate was speaking about in other threads, but it never dawned on me that it could be her kid until now.

Just a thought. Let me know what you think!