N.U.M.B.E.R.S  Numerically Unidentified Mixes of Broad, Estranged, (but believed to be) Real Signs. 
(if you've got a better idea for a name, I'm all ears ;))

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4 8 15 16 23 42

That is our treasure map, friends.  This ship is for those of you who believe the Numbers repeated by a signal in the tower near the Black Rock have major significance to unraveling the mystery of... whatever the heck's going on.  lol.  ;)  EVERYONE is welcome.  I will be looking specifically for someone to keep the Numbered List, a list of all the theories and ideas people put together to explain The String of Numbers.  Mathematicians are VERY welcome ;D.  And it's never too late to join!

My goal, from here on out is to watch for more numbers to pop up, and hopefully to someday be able to unravel the entire mystery.  Will you join me?

You may check out the updated Numbered List on Pages 164-166.

See care_n_jim's first post (several posts down) to look over our current Member List

Ok, here are some threads which contain large amounts (or small amounts ;)) of theories on the Numbers. We'll use this (and whatever other bits of info we can conjur up :D) to create the Numbered List.

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=8588.0

and...

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=8590.0

Theory using Hebrew numbers (can't decide if this is relevant or not)- http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=8617.0

About Numbers Stations- http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=8592.0

Man... some great theories and points made in there. I can't wait to start colaborating on the Numbered List, whether I have to "colaborate" on it myself or not ;);). *hopes for members*

All right, I'm convinced that the numbers in sequence mean something.
More than that, I cannot say ... yet ... but I WILL work on this.

I believe they are somehow connected.

Sign me up -- what number am i ---
I am working on a theory will post when  I get the whole thing written out  :lol2:

Care

Posting so I may update member list:

Member list-

N.U.M.B.E.R 1-  Charlie - Creator of The Numbered List (former President now retired :) )
N.U.M.B.E.R 2-  connundrum
N.U.M.B.E.R 3-  Lost_in_NH
N.U.M.B.E.R 4-  care_n_jim - President of the Number List
N.U.M.B.E.R 5-  Danny
N.U.M.B.E.R 6-  Hallie_Marrie
N.U.M.B.E.R 7-  TRoss
N.U.M.B.E.R 8-  1voice
N.U.M.B.E.R 9-  NurMisur
N.U.M.B.E.R 10- hobbitsrule101
N.U.M.B.E.R 11- Butterkup
N.U.M.B.E.R 12- jacknkate1
N.U.M.B.E.R 13- gymnadz
N.U.M.B.E.R 14- chellekay
N.U.M.B.E.R 15- elfdream
N.U.M.B.E.R 16- Kato
N.U.M.B.E.R 17- LostEnchantment
N.U.M.B.E.R 18- kgmaus
N.U.M.B.E.R 19- Elurandir
N.U.M.B.E.R 20- waltisfuture VP - and right had to president of the NUMBER LIST
N.U.M.B.E.R 21- Greenbear
N.U.M.B.E.R 22- clairecharlie4ever
N.U.M.B.E.R 23- LostFanForEver
N.U.M.B.E.R 24- Karen
N.U.M.B.E.R 25- creme
N.U.M.B.E.R 26- Christine
N.U.M.B.E.R 27- yahof
N.U.M.B.E.R 28- OnAomXM
N.U.M.B.E.R 29- fateislost
N.U.M.B.E.R 30- BESS2728
N.U.M.B.E.R 31- tehlola
N.U.M.B.E.R 32- Charlie-Survivor
N.U.M.B.E.R 33- ElaineS
N.U.M.B.E.R 34- TheMole171
N.U.M.B.E.R 35- minaloush
N.U.M.B.E.R 36- Naughty Paws
N.U.M.B.E.R 37- MidKnight
N.U.M.B.E.R 38- kimberwing
N.U.M.B.E.R 39- mizbehavn
N.U.M.B.E.R 40- LastNovember
N.U.M.B.E.R 41- shootfire
N.U.M.B.E.R 42- Sam Grant
N.U.M.B.E.R 43- Lockesmydaddy
N.U.M.B.E.R 44- ImTheJungleMonster
N.U.M.B.E.R 45- Redemption_Isle
N.U.M.B.E.R 46- locke_n_key
N.U.M.B.E.R 47- lost_aussie_gal
N.U.M.B.E.R 48- Myha
N.U.M.B.E.R.49- Peanut Butter
N.U.M.B.E.R.50- Abramsfan
N.U.M.B.E.R.51- LostApril
N.U.M.B.E.R.52- Streakergurl
N.U.M.B.E.R.53- Tarf

Take the numbers

4* 8* 15* *16* 23* 42

Add the together you get 108

add them together one by one even double digets -- you get 36

and them not allowing double digets you get 9

add 108* *1 +0+8* *you get 9

add 36* 3 +6* you get 9

the last way you already have 9

What is the significance on the number 9 ---

upside dow you get a 6* ----???

Help not a math wiz here !!!


I posted under the numbers thread but thought I would add it here ---

all numbers lead to nine

Great to have some more members :) Welcome to a hopefully growing ship, connun and care ;D.

btw, Care, you're Number 3- unless I should have taken Lost in NH's post as a membership application ;).

That's quite interesting about the "9's". One flaw however, you said the final number was 43, but it's 42 ;). I don't know if that was a typo, or if you figured your equations using '43'.

OMG -- TYPO thank you

Of course what I said is my 'application!' :P

I also thought the 9's info was intersesting... ~Kat

I gotcha Kat, in that case Kat get's Number 3 and Care_n_Jim you get the magical Number 4!! :D

lol, yeah :) *Hey, we have GOT to get started on the great Numbered List! *I see too much info, it needs recording!!!! **faints*

Will you help me?? *We can post little bits of info, numbered 1 to ----- *right here, and then put it all together on a master list and add to it when needed. :) *

*gets started*

Just go to the Numbers board and start looking, or you can look in the threads I posted links for in my second post on here. *I'll start looking under the first link.

What exactly are you looking for?

Anything and all theories/weird stuff (:P) about the Numbers.* Just post each thing spaced out on here, and then we'll sort it out into a list once we feel we've got most of it or a lot of it. :)

The first two links I posted here do not work anymore... I think the two threads were merged, but I'm not sure. So we'll have to just go to the Numbers board and look :). The topic should be- Numerology.

For... The Numbered List* Ok, we're flying by the seat of our pants here- but I think I'll just start numbering them as we get them... this may cause a bit of confusion, but we can straighten it out ;).

1.* The Numbers are-* 4 8 15 16 23 42
2.* 4 years and 16 years have been mentioned many times, along with other numbers-* (we need to know WHAT they were reffering to...)
* * *4:
* * * * -years of Lockes condition
* * * * -years ago Sawyer made a birthday wish to be tackled in the jungle by a woman
* * * * -guns in the marshal's case
* * * * -years ago Sam Toome died
* * * * -years ago Hurleys grandpa got a pace-maker
* * *8:
* * * * -people dead in Hurley's shoe factory fire
* * * * -months preganat Claire was at the time of the crash
* * 15:
* * * * -members of Danielle's research team
* * * * -(11:15) time Sun was going to leave Jin
* * * * -number of letters in “Oceanic Airlines”
* * *815:
* * * * -flight number
* * * * -Kate’s lock box number
* * * * -model of Charlie’s copy machine
-"815" was written on the inside of the tongue of the shoes that Kate pulled off of ____ in the Pilot episode
* * *16:
* * * * -years Danielle has been on the island?
* * * * -years the transmission loop has been playing
* * * * -weeks since last lottery winner before Hurley
* * * * -years ago Sam Toome heard the numbers
* * * * -number of small red circles surounding the O in the Oceanic Airlines logo
* * *23:
* * * * -Jack's seat number on the plane
* * * * -Boone's age? (not sure. Shannon said she was 20. Boone said that their parents got married when he was 10 and she was 8. He could be 2* * years plus a few months older then her. As in, he just turned 23 and she’s about to turn 21. Still, not sure.)
* * * * -thousand dollar reward for Kate
* * *42:
* * * * -possibly the number of survivors left at the end of the season if a few more die.
3.* The first two numbers, slid together, are 48- the (original) number of survivors on the island.
4.* The plane flight was 815 (right?)
5.* 42 = the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything!
6.* It was 16 yrs ago that the Navy heard the transmission, one used the numbers, killed himself 4 yrs before Hurley could meet him.

That's what I've got for now... still going :)* Please add to it!

7.* Theory- I believe that these numbers are a point of origin.* The hatch has the numbers imprinted on it, the numbers are being broadcasted from the ISLAND.* The call was a call to whomever, to find whatever is in the hatch....why else have the numbers on the hatch?* Whatever is in the hatch, is the key.
8.* Theory- Remember, like, in the 2nd eppie when they were all listening to the transmitter? There were a bunch of numbers playing before Danielle's actual distress call. Could these be the numbers?
9.* The numbers added up- 108* A holy number, in some religions.
* * Desires: There are said to be 108 earthly desires in mortals.
* * Lies: There are said to be 108 lies that humans tell.
* * Delusions: There are said to be 108 human delusions or forms of ignorance.
10.* *Theory- the sequence of 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 is part of a sequencce of nonprime numbers of 1's in binary expansion. 11.* Theory- Flight* #815, about a 16 hour flight, that left on the 22nd U.S. time which I believe would make it the 23rd in Oz.

12.* 15+16+23-42-8=4 15+16+23-42-4=8 42-23-16+4+8=15 42-23-15+4+8=16 42-16-15+4+8=23 15+16+23-4-8=42* They all add or subtract to equal one of the numbers
13.* According to the Periodic Table of Elements-
* * *8 - Oxygen
* * *15 - Phosphorus
* * *16 - Sulpher
* * *23 - Vanadium
* * *42 - Molybdenum
* * *108 - Hassium
About Hassium-* *Hassium, is a synthetic element that is not present in the environment at all.* Only a few atoms of element 108, hassium, have ever been made. The first atoms were made through a nuclear reaction involving fusion of an isotope of lead.* Isolation of an observable quantity of hassium has never been achieved, and may well never be. This is because hassium decays very rapidly through the emission of a-particles.
14.* In the first episode Jack tells Kate about the surgery that taught him how to let the fear in ... he was operating on a 16 year old girl.
15.* Danielle's note with the numbers has 7 rows and 6 columns. 7 x 6 = 42, which is also the same number of slots in the Connect Four game.
16.* Using the ASCII chart I come up with the following:* (assuming that the numbers are decimal.)
* * * 4=* *End of Transmit
* * * 8=* *Backspace
* * * 15= Shift In
* * * 16= Data link escape
* * * 23= End trans. block
* * * 42= *
17.* Bible verses account for something, but who knows what book to look in.
18.* Psalm 23- "The Lord is my shepard; I shall not want..."
19.* William S. Burroughs wrote a short story (23 Skidoo) about the number 23 that mentioned all the weird things connected to it. Legend has it that it was inspired when he met a Captain Clark who told him he had run a ferry from Spain to Morocco with no problem for 23 years. Hours later it sank, killing the skipper.
20.* 4+8+15+16+23 = 66 and... 4+2 = 6.* Remember 42 was the "mega number" and was thus separate from the others.* So, what do we have?* *666
21.* It could be lat and long coordinates.* Two groups of three numbers .....degrees, minutes and seconds, such as N 4degrees 8 min 15 sec and W 16 degrees 23 min 42 sec.* Points to inland Africa.*
22.* The connect 4 game has 42 holes
23.* Many equations lead to the answer = 9.* The length of the episode "Numbers" was even 117 minutes, which also equals = 9.* And nine is the number of completion in numerology.
24.* If you use A=1, B=2 etc, look what you get ...
* * * * *J* *- A -* C -* *K* * * * * * * *S* -* H* - E* -* P* -* H* -* E* -* R* -* D
* * * * *10+1* + 3 + 11* * * *+* * 19 + 8 + 5* + 16 + 8* +* 5* + 18 + 4* * * =* 108
25.* 42 is the natural vibration frequency of human DNA.
26.* The number grid on Danielle's paper PERFECTLY matches the Connect Four grid.* Also, Lines can be drawn across, down, & diagonal on her note to "connect" all the numbers in sequence. You can win Connect 4 from several angles....And the passengers can be connected from many angles as well. ....Folks have noted Jack sat in 23A, 23 perhaps standing for a row ppl were "destined" to survive in. We're assuming the numbers have to read from left to rt, but maybe they can read from rt to left as well. A 747 has 65 rows...More specifically a number, or combo of them-like 8+15=the flight, represents an individual passenger in some way who was destined to survive vs it just being a row #.
27.* 16 years ago (from now) was 1989. If you add 19 and 89 you get 108.
28. There are 108 stitches on a baseball.
29. There are 108 beads on a traditional/original Catholic (or is it Hindu? 0_o) Prayer Rosary.
Wow, I'm becoming obsessed with this!* Still going... :)

Hey, i'm in, i totally believe that's what it's all gonna come down to.... at least for figuring out what the hatch is and where it came from. and um someone said that actually the model of that printer/scanner whatever of Charlie's was A15.... at least they said that's what the subtitles said.... but you can't always trust them. oh and yeah, most of you have the number meanings of what LE and i thought...

4= Locke's paralysis

815= flight number

16= Danielle's time on island

23= Claire's Age (possibly)

42= Survivors left at end

I figure they just came up with the numbers from little clues about previous things... not that their numerical values mean anything... but heck, knowing these writers dedication.... i wouldn't doubt it.

Cool. :) I don't remember mentioning the scanner, lol, but I'm sure I did- It took me several hours to get all that stuff down here, and the scary part is there's probably more out there. If you find any or come up with anything new, definitely post it here :). You're N.U.M.B.E.R. 5 :)

*polishes his new siggy*

Sweet, i'll add it to my sig too and um *goes off looking for more clues* I might have to watch the eppy again.... phone kept ringing! I finally just unplugged it! how heathenistic to use anything but a dvr/tivo/vcr/tv during 8 pm to 9 pm on a wednesday!!! :lol2:

Heh- yeah, I need to watch this one again too. I actually taped it this time :D, I always forget.

Using the chemical elements, I came up with this after reviewing WebElements:

I thought for awhile after the show about relations to elements, but the problem comes with beryllium. Beryllium is, by weight, the rarest of the first 42 elements (the 43rd, technecium, has never been encountered naturally by man) within the universe. Boron comes in a close 2nd. Anyway, all the others are vitally important naturally to life... though vanadium is by far the most heavily debated of its purpose to life (you'll see it in some vitamin supplements though anyway!).

One thing of note is that beryllium is important in the nuclear industry. Could be that the hatch is a sealed container testing nuclear reactions utilizing these elements for control. Take a look at WebElements (http://www.webelements.com) for more information on these. There's some interesting info, such as:

molybdenum disulphide (MoS2) is a good lubricant, especially at high temperatures where normal oils decompose pentoxide V2O5 is used in ceramics and as a chemical catalyst vanadium's structural strength and neutron cross section properties makes it useful in nuclear applications beryllium as a moderator in nuclear reactions since it is a highly effective moderator and reflector for neutrons, and the oxide is used in the nuclear industry

Just in those listings, I've shown that each of the elements (except phosphorus) is listed as having nuclear uses. Phosphorus could fit in with the formation of glasses, or any of it's many other myriad uses. Either way, the possibility from this is that:

The signal heard by Sam and Leonard was an identifier of a successful experiment. The numbers on the hatch identify the elemental contents of the container being used in nuclear experimentation that are sealed by the hatch. On a success, the experiment was programmed to broadcast the successful elemental mixture to those listening. Problem is, no one was listening when the broadcasts began, so they repeated endlessly. Then, Danielle went and changed the signal, so no one has come to check up on the experiments, and the successful one is going awry.

There could be multiple hatches on the island, or multiple islands each housing an individual experiment, because, if successful, the contents would pose significant danger in some way to the stability of the island.

Very, very interesting. I saw you post that somewhere else- but I figured it was a bit too complicated to put all of it into the list :D. I thought the one entry I did on this was enough.

Anyways, yea- I really think it might be... wouldn't that be cool if you were right? :) Oh hey, do you want to join our humble clan? ;D

Sign me up!

And remember the number 42 is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything,

The real problem is of course - What is the question?

I think the problem Douglas Adams posed here, relates to Lost, simply because the sequence of numbers might be the answer, but we might wait a very long time for the question it answers.

Ok- I'll do that, para And welcome to the club! :) And yeah, the Hitchhikers Guide refference (if that's what it really is) is quite interesting indeed ;).

Can I join? (And are you really allowed to say no to that?)* ;D

Sign me up as well, please . . . I'm facinated by the '4' year connection! ;)

Yes, there are many fascinating connections-* I especially like baryon's theory about the nuclear experiment.* :)* And no, Hallie, I can't really refuse any of you ;D- not that I'd want to anyways. ;)

This just in-* New entry to the Numbered List. I must say, this new entry (Number 26) is most interesting...

Feel free to give me any info for the List that you have and I don't. ;)

[EDIT] I edited the member list, go check out your new numbers :)[Edit]

I just read on another board --- Jack's last name is spelled SHEPHARD not with an E -- this will change the total :(

Care

Yeah, I saw that somewhere too. I'm leaning towards just leaving it in though, because it's a really big coincidence (if that's all it it is) for it to spell out anything near Jack's full name. And it is still the same name, just a different spelling. Hmm... what do you guys think? Should we leave it in or take it out?

I'd love to help if you want me...though numbers aren't my favorite things in the entire world. :)

Can I join? :lol2:

Yes, I'm N.U.M.B.E.R. 6!!! I have a title! *squeals* Ooh, I have to go admire my new siggy. The Buffy quote looked so lonely before......

Hehe, now that I get to this board, all the clever connections I brainstormed during PreCal have been mentioned already.... before Homecoming, I would've said 23 doubled is the number of survivors left........ I always forget about poor Steve (or was it Scott?).

Hehe, "or was it scott?"* Yeah.. ;)

New recruits are always welcome!* 1voice.... *drum roll** You get the magical NUMBER 8!!* *;)* Not that you're any more special than the rest of us... just... yeah. ;)* And Nur, I'm proud to present you with Number 9 ;D.*

Well Charlie -- N.U.M.B.E.R. 1
I say leave the spelling as it is --- it is just too much of a coincidence!!

Care

K :)- anyone else have an opinion on this?

Can I join? What am I number 10?

Yep, Number 10 :). Welcome aboard! ;D

2 new additions to the Numbered List. 28 and 29.

(dracula voice) Good Good! More members.

The other day i figured out that all the numbers separated make ten like 4, 8, 1, 5, 1, 6, 2, 3, 4, and 2

so i taped a number to each finger (a la Charlie) lol. And spent an entire day like this. I taped them so that when i held my hands up palms FACING me, the numbers lined up right for the person viewing them. So my right hand thumb was number 4, right hand first finger 8 etc. I did this all in fun, knowing these numbers aren't really cursed ;) and found it interesting that the numbers 23 were very troubling in wanting to come off... it was strange that those two numbers on separate fingers (altho in the show belonging together) were the ones that didn't wanna stay on..... oh and right after i was done "taping" my fingers.... i hurt finger number "8" twice lol. First was when i put the cap back on the marker... boy it smarted! And then the next time within a few minutes was when my dog bit me :P So that was my notes for fun. :lol2:

:lol2: That's hilarious Locke!* Let us know if anything else comes to you, but try not to hurt yourself!


Ah, shoot.* Somebody may have posted this already, but I can't go back to check.* Apparently the number 42 is prominent (or just mentioned) in the book "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".* The answer to the Universe? Anybody care to comment?

Locke you are very brave -- what if those numbers are tied to a curse that the writers stumbled across and are releasing by making a TV show about them :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Care

lol... want me to add that to the Numbered List? That the numbers 23 are somehow relevant because they're subborn? ;)

Oh! You wanna know what's even creepier!?!

I thought so ;)

When i took the tape off, the marker leaked thru on number 23! My fingers had 23 on them until i showered that night! ROFL It was really creepy! :laugh:

If you go to the news section of www.driveshaftband.com you can see that on 8/15/4 the following was posted. Maybe you shouldn't say things like that on a date like that.

UPDATE – August 15, 2004 – A little bird tells us that DriveSHAFT might very well be coming to a town near you in the not-too-distant future. We’ve seen the speculation going wild on the message boards, so we just wanted to make a quick post detailing what we’ve heard.

There has been no new record deal. There is no new DS album. But, evidently, there was enough buzz created by Charlie’s solo EP Pente that there has been a renewed interest in the boys. So, not to jinx it or anything, but stay tuned here for updates on what may be DriveSHAFT’s first tour in over two years. Even though it’s not a headlining gig, it’s still live DS shows, which would be fucking fantastic. We’re not at liberty to mention by name the band they might be opening for, but it rhymes with “Meat Coat”. Just sayin’.

...I have a feeling that post didn't belong here, but I'm not sure. ;D

....... a feeling!?! um yeah.... wrong section.

Hope it's not the beginning of bad luck for us! :o

Locke hurts his finger with a marker cap . . .
The number 23 mysteriously seeps into his skin (okay, not mysteriously, but inconveniently)
A strange and apparently unrelated post . . .

What's next? dun, dun. dun!

While I'm not nearly as smart as 99% of you guys...I will be reading every word and trying to find things too!

I just cannot believe some of the really, really smart people on here who know math and chemistry etc. etc. and I just go WOW how cool I wonder what that meant! :lol2:

Debby New Numberer trying to avoide that stubborn 23!

Maybe we should changed this to UNLUCKY NUMBERS - enter with caution!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha Care;

Well i haven't been using those numbers anymore. But i'm gonna be creaped out on April 8th, 2015 if the answers are not solved yet :P ..... um sure... :laugh:

LOCKE ---BITE YOUR TONGUE -- HARD -- :lol2: :lol2:
If we don't have answers by 2015 I WILL BE insane --- :P

LOL!* *haha... wow, yeah- Locke you better be careful ;).

Butterkup, hello!* :)* Let me see what Number you will be... (edit-) Number 11 is yours! ;D

I do wonder, guys, what we'll do in these six weeks to come. I suppose that I personally will be looking thru the old episodes that they re-run for more number references. That'll be my mission in the coming six weeks :), but boy oh boy, I can't wait until we get some new stuff! :D

Care-- Owwy, my tongue hurts... it's bleeding... you happy? :lol2: Actually what i meant was that we WILL know the answers by 2015 haha. Way way sooner. Heck, they could get maybe 5 seasons out of this.... 7 if they do a great job. But here's something else to tickle your fancy...


If you look closely at the bottom of Danielle's note with the "numbers" written over and over ... you will see that there are 4 swoosh marks (one has an arrow) directly under the numbers 8,15,23 and 42. Later we see Lenny playing Connect 4 .... Could it be that we are supposed to connect 4 of the "cursed" numbers??? If so ... could it be that the numbers with the marks under them, are the numbers that we are supposed to connect?

Possibilities on the 4 numbers:
Maybe they are the combination to open the hatch.....
The flight number was 815 maybe the time of the crash was 23:42 (military time)
Maybe the hatch can't be opened until 8/15/05 and the combo is 2342
Maybe the last sole survivors will be the ones that were on flight 815 in rows 23 and 42
Maybe 8152342 = x in the equation on the top of Danielle's note.

Very interesting. But are you sure, Locke? I remember the arrows... but I thought they were only under two numbers. Hmm

I only found it in someone's post.... brought it here for you to verify hehe

Ah, hmm. I literally just taped over my copy of the show (for 24 ;)) so I can't check it out now. Hmm. Surely someone has a copy here? ;) Or even a picture would work.

Locke -- I am so sorry you are bleeding :lol2: must be some self conscious thing with your name --- :lol2: :lol2:

TWO quick things --

ONE --- someone over on the Theories board said that any combination of numbers ALWAYS reduces to NINE -- Can you math wizards tell me if she is right???

TWO -- should we be looking at just a few numbers if the arrow was only pointing to a few specific numbers ---
I didn't see this - do we know what numbers it was pointing to>

Care

ONE --- someone over on the Theories board said that any combination of numbers ALWAYS reduces to NINE -- Can you math wizards tell me if she is right???

That just can't be right... not EVERY time. But I be no math wiz ;).

TWO -- should we be looking at just a few numbers if the arrow was only pointing to a few specific numbers ---
I didn't see this - do we know what numbers it was pointing to>

I really, really thought there were arrows coming from the bottoms of TWO numbers- not four. And that's another thing, the "arrows" were pointing away from the numbers, off page. Interesting...

Charlie -- what two numbers were the arrows below??

Hmm.* I wish I hadn't taped over it now...* if I had to guess I'd say it was the 8 and the 15.

....

:o

The flight number!!

so is it under 8 and under 15 --- like 7 and 14 ?? OR

8 -15 the date -- OR 8:15 the time ---

Hmm. So very interesting :). I think we need to find a screen cap to confirm all of this.

I am not good at finding that stuff -- do you know where to look???

Have you noticed I am following you back and forth --- :lol2: :lol2:

lol- I think they have screen caps on ABC.com, but I'm not sure.

I'm taking off for a while, I'll talk to you later, Care :)

BYE CHARLIE -- it has been fun chatting with you --- DON'T forget me when you move on without ME :lol2: :lol2:

Care

I won't forget you, and I'll probably still come over to Economy every once in a while!

YOU MADE IT CHARLIE -- CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks :). I hope you make it up here soon. :)

Well I went onto ABC.com and didn't find much at all. There's some other site which has a real LOST photo gallery, but I don't know what it is. :( Hm...

I will ask LuvMySayid -- she KNOWS everything !!!

lol, very good idea! She does seem to, doesn't she? ;)

Here is the best pic I could find over at lost-media.com:
http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers048.jpg

Large version:
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So, there appears to be two arrows under the 8 and the 15 (actually, one doesn't have an arrow tip, so it's just kind of a curvy line). ALSO (never would've noticed this), in the top right corner of the paper, there's something that looks like (9/500)2. If you take that as a math equation, it comes out to .036. Which can only mean.....absolutely nothing!!!! ;D

Edit: Whoops, double-post....

Except that .036--- EQUALS* NINE* *What is it with the NINE ------

Ya know -- I take that as ONE arrow -- showing you to TURN THE PAGE OVER ---- OH man I wish we could see what was on the other side ----

It really looks like a turn me over sign ----

Care

I haven't read everything on these numbers, but if these number are "cursed" and they do always come in the same order maybe it is the ORDER that is significant. Brain being fried from all the catching up I have been trying to do here, I can not really think of anything off hand. But I would really like to see someone try to look at this in a linear sense, anyone have anything? Yes, you can reduce them to nine and yes, there are a lot of references to the individual numbers (by the way, I REALLY liked the whole chemistry breakdown, it was REALLY cool).

But, yeah, any ideas?

In the top right you can see like a 9 over 500 squared thing all by itself. And yeah, the "arrows" are under the 8 and 15. Prolly an over page but why would she keep writing it over and over even to another page? Unless it's different lol i dunno. And yeah i bet it might be linear as well. Cuz they weren't mumbled jumbled numbers when said in the static over and over. Like it was someone saying some kind of voodoo lol. My brother says i say the Numbers in my sleep now :P really fast too haha. 4 8 15 16 23 42! etc. :lol2:

Maybe the numbers are more of a way to get people on the island than anything else --

You hear you -- you try and seek the source -- drawing you in --- and once there ---

Yep, that's what I personally believe. I think something/someone wants these certain people on the island because.....................

;)

New, and fascinating entry to The Numbered List! It's on the first page, under the 815 category.

Charlie are you serious -- WHERE did you find that???

And took off WHO????

Care

I'm dead serious. BurningStar was there, she can confirm it, but I don't remember which thread it was in.

Do you remember the scene I'm talking about? Where Kate pulls the shoes off of a dead body... dunno who it was. I wonder if those shoes were form Hurley's shoe company ;).

I cannot place it to save my soul and it is driving me NUTS ---

I believe you though --

OOOHHH -- shoes from Hurley's company --- oh man those numbers are so bad!!!

WHAT NUMBERS DID he just say in the backgammon game

lol, I know it really hit me as amazing when I first saw that. But several people went over it and watched that part again and again. They were convinced... it says 815. :o

I am watching this episode thinking OK -- what numbers are they using - do the mean anything ---
I love when Hurley says you'll get your money :lol2:

Hehe yeah. ooo, I just thought of something that I'll post on the Numbers thread.

UMMM - Charlie this IS the numbers thread :lol2:

ooo *dies*

lol, that was one of the most embarassing things I've said in quite a while. >_<

LOL -- considering I am surrounded by three screaming children and a pre-teen that likes to TALK during LOST -- It was a much needed laugh for me -- THANK YOU


SO -- what is your POST for this thread???

lol... I could never watch LOST with that going on around me ;). And I simply can't watch TV/Movies with ppl that like to talk during ;).

I was going to say- What was the total number of each of Walt's dice rolls while playing backgammon? It's obviously too late now, so I'm hoping that someone remembers, hehe :).

16 was Hurley's I believe and Walt rolled a SIX --

Look for the numbers on the hatch OK



:lol2: It makes for an interesting night of LOST -- I normally watch ALONE and make the Jim half of care_n_jim take the kids but he is away on business -- I told him he was just lucky it was a rerun --- :lol2:

16 was Hurley's?... hm. I think Walt's first role he wanted a three and a four, making seven. And you're right about his second role. Double sixes.

Yep, I thought to look for the Numbers on the hatch even before you said it ;). Didn't see any though... it was all covered in vines and mud.

It makes for an interesting night of LOST -- I normally watch ALONE and make the Jim half of care_n_jim take the kids but he is away on business -- I told him he was just lucky it was a rerun ---

Haha :) Yeah I remember hearing you say somewhere else that you made him take the kids on Wed. nights.

I don't think there were any other number references - last night -- BUT then again -- I had the kids in the room with me -- :lol2:


I did find it odd again that Locke new the TIME in which it would start to rain -- can you remember what the exact time was - is it a number we should add to your list???

I think he said something like "one minute give or take a couple seconds" - it didn't really sound like a number number to me but I also had kids in the room and sometimes........ ???

:lol2: So GLAD that I am not the only one that doesn't always HEAR everything !!!!

I also had a little one you loves to talk in the room with me. I had to look it up.

LOCKE: Oh. I'm sure there are people who can handle it temporarily. It's
gonna start raining in one minute.

BOONE: One minute?

LOCKE: Give or take a few seconds. You should turn around, Boone, head back.

OOOO Count me in!!!! The NUMBERS are awesome! 4 8 15 16 23 42....repeat

Hi, jacknkate :)* I'll get you signed up right away. (edit: You're Number 12 :))

Snabbygail's right-* Locke said something to the effect of "one minute" which of course doesn't help us. :(* And yeah, Care, I didn't see any number references either.* If anything, it was in the backgammon game OR maybe one of us should have counted how many times Jack hit Charlie's chest trying to revivie him? ;)

Ewww. I hated that noise when he was beating on Charlie's chest. It seems like he would have broke a rib or something. He would at least be bruised and sore.

I kept thinking -- how odd it was that he didn't have a broken chest or something --

Do you think it was a dream-- like the Shannon thing -- Jack's FEAR -- - we never thought to question the reality of Charlie being dead

BUT after seeing Shannon alive after Boone's "dream" What if Jack's was all a dream too -- ???

OK not a number thing -- BUT maybe we should be counting the number of people that have crazy dreams

I kept thinking -- how odd it was that he didn't have a broken chest or something --

LOL man no kidding he was WAILING away on him wasn't he? If I wasn't dead already...I surely would be after that!!!! :o

I do think he was dead however cause Kate was there and everything and it just would be too hard to believe that he never spoke to her about what happened again...

But that was good thinking - really made me sit and ponder for a while!

Yeah, I don't think it could have been a dream because the difference is- When Boone woke up, Shannon knew nothing about his dream. IF Jack "woke up" Charlie was acting exactly as if all that had really happened. As was Kate, and everyone else. But yeah, I'd never thought about it before either :).

That's a good idea, care, counting who's had the "20/20 visions" (as I like to call it in reference to a Rage Against the Machince song ;)).

Let's see....

Boone

um.

0_0 Isn't there more than that? lol?

btw- I think it'd also be a good idea to count how many people Locke has "ministered" to. I'll try to count that up better than the previous one. ;)

Charlie
Boone
Claire
Walt
Michael
Sawyer

hmm... can't think of more.

I think that Walt and Michael experienced "something" also --

My dad was telling me when he saw that, that if you really wanted to get someones heart started when they have been dead a while but not too long, you basically have to break the sternum/breast bone. The heart is in the middle of the chest but you feel it beat on your left because of the valve (can't remember my biology rofl) so yeah, i was wondering why the heck he was obliterating on Charlie and then he said he might be trying to break the bone so he could get at the heart easier. But afterwards Charlie wasnt wearing anything like he had a broken rib or something did he?

Side note: It sure as heck seemed like Jack pounded him 108 times ;)

That's actually comforting to know ;). I didn't know that.

Side note: It sure as heck seemed like Jack pounded him 108 times

Yeah, we really believe you. ;)

Did he hit him NINE time -- *:lol2:

I am stuck on that number --

Do you think they heal faster on the island - with the exception of Locke's face that cut has been there forever -----

Hmm... not really. I don't know what in the world they would have put on Charlie to help him heal from that. But then again, that might be what Jack was TRYING to do- but he may not have suceeded. In fact he probably didn't, or Charlie wouldn't be up and about in just a few days.

You Lost me Charlie -- can you explain - think mother lacking sleep :lol2:

Hm, that was a tad confusing wasn't it? ;) Basically- I don't think Charlie's sternum was broken, though Jack may have been trying to. My proof is that Charlie was up and about in a few days.

Also; you asked if I think ppl heal faster while on the island- I said no ;).

Haha Care, i feel for you, tell the hubby to pitch in more ;) Men are getting too lazy lol. No don't adjust your moniter, yes i a guy said that! haha.

Lol Charlie, yeah i bet he didn't break it either, because it kept making the sound of a hard "crack" type thing of him hitting bone (sorry if i made you shutter there Snabby haha) I bet Jack had one heck of a bruise on his hand after that lol. :-\

The Numbered List

1.* The Numbers are-* 4 8 15 16 23 42
2.* 4 years and 16 years have been mentioned many times, along with other numbers-* (we need to know WHAT they were reffering to...)
* * *4:
* * * * -years of Lockes condition
* * * * -years ago Sawyer made a birthday wish to be tackled in the jungle by a woman
* * * * -guns in the marshal's case
* * * * -years ago Sam Toome died
* * * * -years ago Hurleys grandpa got a pace-maker
* * * * -LOST is on Wednesdays; Wednesday being the fourth day of the week.
* * * * -aces on Boone's t-shirt
* * * * -years since Sawyer made his “birthday wish”
* * * * -people that will fit on Micheals raft
* * * * -months michealangelo stared at marble “working” in Locke’s story/Boone then asks if they’re going to stare at the hatch for 4 months
* * * * -miles due west back to camp from where Locke ties up Boone
* * * * -refills of Shannons inhaler Boone brought with him
* * * * -days that pass before Jack decides to burn the fuselage/bodies for a signal
* * * * -traps Locke sets up around camp to get Ethan
* * * * -times Hurley says Charlie shot Ethan(He actually was shot 6 times)
* * * * -months the Psychic tried to convince Claire to raise her baby alone before giving her money and telling her of the couple in LA
* * * * -Sayid said the French signal could be a SAT 4
* * * * -Leonard playing the game Connect Four
* * * * -Sun and Jin met 4 years ago
* * * * -Sayid left the republican guard 4 years ago
* * * * -Driveshaft broke up 4 years ago
* * * * -Claire only had 4 weeks left until she delivered when they originally got to the island
* * *8:
* * * * -people dead in Hurley's shoe factory fire
* * * * -months preganat Claire was at the time of the crash
* * * * -Charlie's band was to go on tour for 8 weeks.
* * * * -LOST starts at 8 PM EST.
-rails on the sides of the baby cradle Locke makes for Claire
-Kilometers the hitman tells Jin to drive
-whiskey shots between Sawyer and Kate when they play "I never"
-hours Kate would spend in the woods with her father tracking deer
-years since Micheal got hit by car
-years Micheal had been writing Walt
-months Locke and Helen had been talking
-days since Charlie went without his guitar
-days after the crash Jack/other survivors moved to the caves
-years Micheal worked in construction
-Sawyers age when his Dad killed himself and his wife
-Shannon's age when her Dad married Boones Mom
-news station at Hurley’s Lotto interview
-Walt born in August (8th month)
* * 15:
* * * * -members of Danielle's research team
* * * * -(11:15) time Sun was going to leave Jin
* * * * -number of letters in “Oceanic Airlines”
* * *815:
* * * * -flight number
* * * * -Kate’s lock box number
* * * * -model of Charlie’s copy machine
* * * * -"815" was written on the inside of the tongue of the shoes that Kate pulled off of ____ in the Pilot episode
* * *16:
* * * * -years Danielle has been on the island?
* * * * -years the transmission loop has been playing
* * * * -weeks since last lottery winner before Hurley
* * * * -years ago Sam Toome heard the numbers
* * * * -number of small red circles surounding the O in the Oceanic Airlines logo
* * *23:
* * * * -Jack's seat number on the plane
* * * * -Boone's age? (not sure. Shannon said she was 20. Boone said that their parents got married when he was 10 and she was 8. He could be 2* * years plus a few months older then her. As in, he just turned 23 and she’s about to turn 21. Still, not sure.)
* * * * -thousand dollar reward for Kate
* * *42:
* * * * -possibly the number of survivors left at the end of the season if a few more die.
3.* The first two numbers, slid together, are 48- the (original) number of survivors on the island.
4.* The plane flight was 815 (right?)
5.* 42 = the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything!
6.* It was 16 yrs ago that the Navy heard the transmission, one used the numbers, killed himself 4 yrs before Hurley could meet him.
7.* Theory-
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I believe that these numbers are a point of origin.* The hatch has the numbers imprinted on it, the numbers are being broadcasted from the ISLAND.* The call was a call to whomever, to find whatever is in the hatch....why else have the numbers on the hatch?* Whatever is in the hatch, is the key.
8.* Theory-
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Remember, like, in the 2nd eppie when they were all listening to the transmitter? There were a bunch of numbers playing before Danielle's actual distress call. Could these be the numbers?
9.* The numbers added up- 108* A holy number, in some religions.
* * Desires: There are said to be 108 earthly desires in mortals.
* * Lies: There are said to be 108 lies that humans tell.
* * Delusions: There are said to be 108 human delusions or forms of ignorance.
10.* *Theory-
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the sequence of 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 is part of a sequencce of nonprime numbers of 1's in binary expansion.
11.* Theory-
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Flight* #815, about a 16 hour flight, that left on the 22nd U.S. time which I believe would make it the 23rd in Oz.

12.* 15+16+23-42-8=4 15+16+23-42-4=8 42-23-16+4+8=15 42-23-15+4+8=16 42-16-15+4+8=23 15+16+23-4-8=42* They all add or subtract to equal one of the numbers
13.* According to the Periodic Table of Elements-
* * *8 - Oxygen
* * *15 - Phosphorus
* * *16 - Sulpher
* * *23 - Vanadium
* * *42 - Molybdenum
* * *108 - Hassium
About Hassium-* *Hassium, is a synthetic element that is not present in the environment at all.* Only a few atoms of element 108, hassium, have ever been made. The first atoms were made through a nuclear reaction involving fusion of an isotope of lead.* Isolation of an observable quantity of hassium has never been achieved, and may well never be. This is because hassium decays very rapidly through the emission of a-particles.
14.* In the first episode Jack tells Kate about the surgery that taught him how to let the fear in ... he was operating on a 16 year old girl.
15.* Danielle's note with the numbers has 7 rows and 6 columns. 7 x 6 = 42, which is also the same number of slots in the Connect Four game.
16.* Using the ASCII chart I come up with the following:* (assuming that the numbers are decimal.)
* * * 4=* *End of Transmit
* * * 8=* *Backspace
* * * 15= Shift In
* * * 16= Data link escape
* * * 23= End trans. block
* * * 42= *
17.* Bible verses account for something, but who knows what book to look in.
18.* Psalm 23- "The Lord is my shepard; I shall not want..."
19.* William S. Burroughs wrote a short story (23 Skidoo) about the number 23 that mentioned all the weird things connected to it. Legend has it that it was inspired when he met a Captain Clark who told him he had run a ferry from Spain to Morocco with no problem for 23 years. Hours later it sank, killing the skipper.
20.* 4+8+15+16+23 = 66 and... 4+2 = 6.* Remember 42 was the "mega number" and was thus separate from the others.* So, what do we have?* *666
21.* It could be lat and long coordinates.* Two groups of three numbers .....degrees, minutes and seconds, such as N 4degrees 8 min 15 sec and W 16 degrees 23 min 42 sec.* Points to inland Africa.*
22.* The connect 4 game has 42 holes
23.* Many equations lead to the answer = 9.* The length of the episode "Numbers" was even 117 minutes, which also equals = 9.* And nine is the number of completion in numerology.
24.* If you use A=1, B=2 etc, look what you get ...
* * * * *J* *- A -* C -* *K* * * * * * * *S* -* H* - E* -* P* -* H* -* E* -* R* -* D
* * * * *10+1* + 3 + 11* * * *+* * 19 + 8 + 5* + 16 + 8* +* 5* + 18 + 4* * * =* 108
25.* 42 is the natural vibration frequency of human DNA.
26.* The number grid on Danielle's paper PERFECTLY matches the Connect Four grid.* Also, Lines can be drawn across, down, & diagonal on her note to "connect" all the numbers in sequence. You can win Connect 4 from several angles....And the passengers can be connected from many angles as well. ....Folks have noted Jack sat in 23A, 23 perhaps standing for a row ppl were "destined" to survive in. We're assuming the numbers have to read from left to rt, but maybe they can read from rt to left as well. A 747 has 65 rows...More specifically a number, or combo of them-like 8+15=the flight, represents an individual passenger in some way who was destined to survive vs it just being a row #.
27.* 16 years ago (from now) was 1989. If you add 19 and 89 you get 108.
28.* There are 108 stitches on a baseball.
29.* There are 108 beads on a traditional/original Catholic (or is it Hindu? 0_o) Prayer Rosary.
30.* If you mapquest latitude and longitude with the coordinates 4.815 and 162.342 it shows the middle of the North Pacific Ocean not far from Papa New Guinea which is right next to Australia.
31.* In "Homecoming" when they showed Charlie's friend about to select "You All Everybody" to play from the jukebox, the numbers on either side are as follows* 134 ...... 146* and...* 234 ...... 246* *4815162342

I just wanted to post that again so we can all jus click page 8 and there it is :).

Locke- yeah, and I bet Charlie had some bruise on his chest too.

Charlie -- GREAT idea -- PAGE 8 ---- certainly we can't forget that number - and you can just go there to and new ideas ---


Locke -- that you for your sympathy :laugh: Hubby is out of town at the moment - but when he returns I will hopefully get some much needed sleep --- and time alone with my LOST !!!!!

great board. will read all pages later at work (such a slacker).
has anyone mentioned the dice when Locke and Walt were playing Backgammon for the first time? One had the number 16.

Thanks gymnadz! :) Would you like to sign up for membership?

Nope, I mentioned something about what the dice read when Hurley and Walt were playing backgammon- but I totally forgot about when Locke was playing with him.

And ty, Care- I thought it would be easier than having to scan down page 1 to find it in two seperate posts all the time. :)

Hey Charlie - I was re-reading the "list" and one error -- from the main THREAD page :

Numbers
Air Date: 03/02/2005 63 minutes EP: 117

It is EPISODE 117 --- which equals 9

and 63 minutes -- equals 9

You have it listed as 117 minuted episode -- Which was MY original error -- again lack of sleep :lol2: SORRY about that ---


Care

ah... lol.* I'm sorry about that too ;).* I'll correct it, and thanks for letting me know- I would not have caught it ;).

Hmmm- could you tell me what Number it is in the list? I can't find it.

whoa, my post count was just 666----- getting rid of that by posting again, sorry! lol...

TOOO FUNNY

Are you afraid of the NUMBERS :jump:

lol... kindof/sortof ;).

Well at least you are honest !!! :lol2:

Thanks gymnadz! :) Would you like to sign up for membership?



sure, what number am I?

You're Number 13 :). Welcome to our newest member, gymnadz!

hey Charlie can I be a member?

Yes, glad to have you! :) You're Number 14.

COOL -- 14 members -- our numbers are growing :lol2:

thanks :-*

May I join?

I'm the nutter who counted the number of thumps on Charlie's chest. It SOUNDED like 23 to me before Jack broke off the first time but I don't have the best hearing and the camera kept cutting away to Kate (although you could still hear the thumps)

But then I also tried to count the number of times he tapped his finger in the Pilot. That one is impossible... :laugh:

Charlie's band was to go on tour for 8 weeks.

I think the number of 'You All Everybody' on the Juke box was a combination of some of THE numbers...234 or something like that.

elf! Hello, hello ;D Yes, of course you may join.

Hehe, I wished later that I had counted how many times he hit him. But I suppose I won't add it in until we get at least two ppl that say the same thing about how many times it was. ;) Must be careful about our entries ;), I just wish I had a tape of the epi so I could try to count too.

I will enter the one about Driveshaft though. Thanks :).

We need them to release the DVD -- NOW --- not september -- how will we make it that long to count all these things :lol2:

Ooo, is that when it'll be released? Dang... I was hoping for sooner :D.

Yah, September was the rumor, now confirmed i believe by one of the VIP's... i think Javi.

Welcome new members! We're elated to have you! Tell your friends.

If you mapquest latitude and longitude with the coordinates 4.815 and 162.342 it shows the middle of the North Pacific Ocean not far from Papa New Guinea which is right next to Australia.

I'm not sure if that has been added yet Charlie, i think there was something like it but this is different.

I'm going to have to come back and add the new members and info later tonight or tomorrow, got too busy here tonight and now I've got to sign off. See you all later :).

Hey Charlie - I was re-reading the "list" and one error --* from the main THREAD page :

Numbers
Air Date: 03/02/2005 63 minutes EP: 117* *

It is EPISODE 117 --- which equals 9

and 63 minutes -- equals 9

You have it listed as 117 minuted episode -- Which was MY original error -- again lack of sleep* :lol2: SORRY about that ---


Care


Hey, care_n_jim!

I saw that, too. I was looking at the numbers and thinking, that's weird the minute count keeps going up by one. :P Duh, since when are the eppys almost 2 hours long?! ::) I can't believe I'm responsible for teaching young kids! :laugh:

I've been keeping track of the eppy numbers, and Numbers IS supposed to be 1x18. That's how they have it listed on the official ABC site:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html

. . . and on the few other sites I've been on. I think it might be an error here. I'll send a message to the mods for clarification.

HEY thanks TRoss ---* I was very confused by the number of the episode -- i kept thinking it was the length* :lol2:
Hey, care_n_jim!

I saw that, too. I was looking at the numbers and thinking, that's weird the minute count keeps going up by one. :P Duh, since when are the eppys almost 2 hours long?! ::) I can't believe I'm responsible for teaching young kids! :laugh:




Hit send too soon -- I need to be taught SOO MANY THINGS :lol2:

Please let us know if you find out what number it REALLY is ---

If you mapquest latitude and longitude with the coordinates 4.815 and 162.342 it shows the middle of the North Pacific Ocean not far from Papa New Guinea which is right next to Australia.


Nice job! I haven't noticed anything significant about the numbers myself that hasn't already be said. Though, I have been working on it during my math class. I hate math, but when it's somehow related to LOST, well, I'll make an exception. :)

I haven't noticed anything that hasn't already been said either, and I suck at math, but I do love puzzles.* May I join?* *:)

You betcha, you'll be Number 15 and by the 12th hopefully Charlie won't be as busy... i know some of his schedule lol. Buzy buzy guy sometimes. I'm actually somewhat surprised at how long this list has gotten lol. I knew there was a lot but man, that's a ton. :laugh:

What about the show Wednesday at 8pm

8pm - 8 reference
Wed - 4th day of week.

(pulling at straws here)

Okay people. I've been tormented by the numbers ever since viewing "Numbers" episode. But my line of thinking is...why are the cursed, when did they become cursed and how? I have a thread going on the General Theories board that has some interesting theories (perhaps from some of you N.U.M.B.E.R. members).

Someone suggested I check this ship out. I've not read any of the ship posts until now, so I don't know if this is typical ship posting. It seems like this post basically consists of collecting what numbers we've heard and people saying they want to join. People: I WANT ANSWERS. Okay, well, no one has the actual answers....but I'll settle for plausible theories. Thought I might get some here. So far I still feel unfulfilled. So, here's a link to the thread with a few theories: http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=9624.0

Any further thoughts?

Hey Nonyabizwaz -- I am the one that said come on over --

You might not get the answers you are looking for BUT all together we might be able to come up with something -- OR at least support one another Thru the PAIN of not knowing :lol2:


Care

You betcha, you'll be Number 15 ...:


Thanks Locke!* *:)

Hey Nonyabizwaz -- I am the one that said come on over --

You might not get the answers you are looking for BUT all together we might be able to come up with something -- OR at least support one another Thru the PAIN of not knowing :lol2:


Care


Ah. A support group. :) I'm not the support group type. Let me clarify. I think support groups have their place. But for me to join one, I'd have to come to the conclusion that either there is no answer, or if there is that I - or no one I know (you guys) - are capable of coming up with the answer. NOT THERE YET! :lol2:

KATO -- you made it to GROUP SHIPS -- WELCOME WELCOME --

I told you everyone over here is SOO NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I was mulling this over on another thread... in Walkabout, Locke's war game partner is GL-12. *Two of the numbers so far have been used in conjunction with letters -- seat 23A and the copier C815. *Maybe there is some connection there, if Locke is the person who gave GL-12 his war nickname. *

And maybe this, from the translation of the French message... "Brennan has taken the key." *Maybe the key isn't a key like lock-and-key, but a key as in, the decoder key. *Maybe the key decodes the numbers.

---

Thanks Care!* :)* You're right, it's very friendly and welcoming in here!*

Kato --- I am so glad you joined us -- two good ideas already --- see what we have been missing ---


Care

I was thinking the key might have been Alex, her son, just as they might want Claire's baby for the same reason. But that's just as much of a stretch as anything I've read on the Fuse!

Wouldn't it be cool if there was a number key, Kato. Dare we hope for meaning? :laugh:

Ah, a human key.* Like Dawn?* What would it be about them I wonder, some configuration of numbers in their general statistic, or genetics, or just the fact that the numbers recur naturally in their lives?* The numbers have singled them out somehow, and they have some kind of affinity with them?

(They'd better fork out a meaning eventually -- I'm not expecting it for a long time, but it had better show up before the last second of the series finale ticks by!)* *:laugh:

Cool- ship got busy while I was gone. I'm going to try to enter some of this stuff into The Numbered List now. :)

Btw, nonya- Once the new episodes start rolling in again, we're going to have NUMBERS meetings afterwards to discuss the new epis. Just a little more of something we do, or will be doing here ;).

Is there anything I can do to help Charlie???

Not really, since you can't edit my posts ;), but thanks for offering.

I want to thank... let's see... elfdream, Locke, and gymnadz for some more additions to the Numbered List.* I hope I got everything ;).

For those of you who are knew here-* you can find The Numbered List on page 8.* You should be able to remember 8, as it's the second of the numbers in the sequence ;).

One more thing, Locke got a little confused-* gymnadz, you are NUMBER 13, chellekay, you are NUMBER 14, elfdream, you are NUMBER 15, and Kato you are NUMBER 16.* Congrats to elf and Kato on getting one of the special numbers ;).

I am definitely a believer in the numbers singling them out. I've been reading The Stand and this is really coming off very similar to me. That like the virus, the numbers are selecting a few ppl to live/be on the island and i'm guessing there is gonna be a big turn in the plot. I"m not gonna hope for it... i will be content with whatever the writers give us.. unless they turn it into what they did with Alias :P

In the end... the good and evil sides are building up, and they will have to "make a stand"

*starts silently and fastly repeating 4,8,15,16,23,42*

Lol....... it's nice to know we have at least one insane person here. ;)

Hey, you made it up to Economy. :)

I still have to think that the numbers are the key -- I have read elsewhere that the numbers aren't that important BUT -- from the beginning numbers have been involved and NOW we just have to convert the "others"

Yep :D I think they will be the key to unlocking the FINAL key; in a way. But we'll see I suppose :).

Hey! I want to be a N.U.M.B.E.R! It doesn't matter to me what number! Thanks!

Do you suppose we will know anything more about the numbers this season -- EVERYONE keeps focusing on WHO will get together WHO will die --I want to know about the numbers -- just pick is the four year right - etc -- pick ONE of the lucky numbers and explain it to me - so I can survive the summer *:lol2:


PS Charile I think I am following you back and forth on the economy thread *:lol2:

Gee I forgot all about the year of the crash being in 2004.* 2004, Flight #815 -- a 16 hour flight?* (probably stretching it) on the 23rd (Australian time)...42 of the passengers are something-or-other.*

The real mystery is why Hurley ever got on that flight, all things considered.* I would have been checking flight numbers and dates and seat assignments and any other little thing to do with those numbers, and avoiding them like the Black Plague.** :laugh:

Yes... one might have thought he would have realized it was flight 815, no? Hmm... never thought about that before.

Yeah, care, same here :) I want to know about the important stuff!! lol

Here's a link:

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=9719.0

this was on another board discussing the Diary.
notice the count and who it does not include.

Thought it might be helpful.

May I join? I've pretty much been spending every waking moment trying to figure out these numbers, even though my friends say there's probably no significance to them, but I think otherwise. Heck, I wrote them all over the back of my notebook hoping I'd get some ideas (that, and government class was especially boring that day).

Sooo...can I join and have a number?

(Hi orangepolarbear!)

I hope nobody minds if I repeat this here, it's farfetched and full of holes but you never know -- it might inspire some other line of thought.* Suppose the reason they were broadcasting the numbers was because that was their only way of contacting someone -- like say that a scientist was once working on something deep undercover, that involved those numbers, but nobody knew their real name or real location, so to find them -- they broadcast the numbers, because they know that the scientist will recognize them, and won't be able to resist investigating?

Number Stations.

Some, we don't know where they came from, others were supposedly used in one of the World Wars for communication; much like what you're talking about. The thing about these Number Stations, they don't stop playing their messages... :) So I don't think that your idea is so far fetched.

Ah thanks Charlie, you're very kind :)

Hey Charlie, what # may I be?

Cool Idea Kato ---

Would explain why Sam heard it and Danielle's team -- heard and then turned back -- IF she was telling the truth !!!

And why she changed the recording, too -- to keep anyone else who would recognize the numbers off the island.*

I still have to think that the numbers are the key -- I have read elsewhere that the numbers aren't that important BUT --


Where elsewhere? On other posts or something "more official"?

Hi, Enchantment! You're NUMBER 17 :)

We're going to hit 23 members sooner than I thought!

Charlie, may I have a number?

Yay Charlie! Thank you!

Hey I was wondering what the time was on Jack's watch right before he was about to sign the release papers for his dad. I think it either said 11:15 or 3:55! And I was wondering if those had any importance!

Indeed... Charlie.. you are sooo kind :P

In case you didn't know... i know Charlie in RL.... but aaaaanyways.

I do agree Kato... it would make great sense that their was someone (maybe even before Danielle?) that is now dead that set up those broadcasts for the purpose of rescue or attraction for some ultimate EVIL plan..... *weg* lol.

LE-- not sure about Jack's watch... could you see it when he was about to sign the papers... never even thought of looking :P

orange, I'm so sorry! We just recently got flooded with new applicants, and it looks like I forgot to give you your number. I didn't forget about you though, I was just thinking how there was SOMETHING that I had missed. ;)

Orange, you're NUMBER 18. :)

LE: Yeah, I'm not sure either. I'd have to go back and watch it again or find a screen cap or something. But good thinking to look there! ;)

LOL -- Nonya --- I did NOT read ANYTHING official -- just chit chat on other threads --- SORRY For the scare !!!!

Hey Charlie --- I have to admit I was a little confused by the show It is one of those I think I will need to watch more than one time !!!!

Oh, it's okay, Charlie! I was just a bit confuzzled.

LostE: I wouldn't be surprised if the times had some importance at some point of time. Can't think of what significance that would be, but it would be a very LOST-y thing to do, huh?

Time seems to be an important element all around, although.. it normally is anyway, so it's hard to tell if it's mystery-specific.*

The time difference has also been pertinent in the end... when they threw the number 23 at us is when I realized that Sydney is across the international dateline, and only because I was trying to figure out why they'd have the crash be one day off the magic number.* *

And now, the time of day that the plane crashed -- and how much time they were on the plane before it crashed, because if it was more than 14 hours people would be looking at their watches wondering when this hell would be over.* (Or I would anyway.)* And if it's less, it seems like it should have been dark when they crashed.

Oh wait, this is the numbers thread. Well, time is numbers, close enough right?* *:laugh:

But, back to the number numbers -- kgmaus has a really fascinating DNA helix thing going on in the General Theories forum.

Hey Kato -- I asked him to post that over here -- if he doesn't can you post a link to the thread --

Maybe Charlie can add it to "the list"

Yeah, I'll have to check that out.

Have you checked it out yet Charlie -- LOOKS VERY interesting -- can you add it to the list you are making???

Care

HAPPY APPRECITATION DAY TO CHARLIE

Thanks, Care! :) No I haven't checked it out yet, I was waiting to see if he would post it (like you asked him to) first before I went looking for it. But I'll go look now.

Happy Appreciation Day, Charlie!* *:party:

**Takes a moment* to appreciate Charlie's friendly posts and general all-around good-naturedness.**

Oh well! If someone goes back and looks for it thanks! But if not oh well! Oh and I don't know if anyone said this but the row that Jack was sitting on in the plane was row 23 just to let yall know!

HAPPY APPRECIATION DAY CHARLIE!! Hope it's a good one!* :holiday:

*starts to appreciate Charlie... then tells him to look on the LB for it* haha

Wow Chuck, you've turned this into the LB too! You have the Ultimate Backstage Powerz! :P

lol... thank you guys. :)

I'll add that to the list, LE, thanks. At least, I don't think it's already in there.

Thanks Charlie! lol Where is the list if it's even on this thread? :lol2:

I put it on Page 8, figuring we could remember that as it's the second Number. :) Well... the one's who know will remember :D, and now you know. ;)

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this before, and it's pretty sad...but oh well...

Lenny from the mental hospital was playing Connect Four. Could this be a blatant clue? What are we supposed to "connect four" to?

I know, very sad.

About my last post, there are plenty of references to "four"....four years, etc.

Right you are, check The Numbered List on Page 8 for more "4" references. And I hadn't heard that about the connect four game yet... but that is interesting. Thinking simply can sometimes yeild interesting results. ;)

LE: I just checked the list, and I already had down the fact about Jack's seat number. But thanks again, and keep it coming! :)

Wow man, your not annoyed with chuck anymore... drats :P maybe you didn't notice :lol2:

And i think that they had the Connect 4 things in the list but the fact that its that specific game meaning four is prolly a very big clue in itself. Hadn't even thought of that.

Yes, I have some Connect 4 facts in the list... but that one doesn't have much to do with the Numbers exactly, and it is actually a theory- soo.. jah, not right for the list.

Yeah I noticed the Connect Four too. Um...karry from cali made this list and I don't know if all of this is already posted or if not. Sorry if this doesn't help.

4 - The number of survivors that go looking for Rousseau in this episode (Hurley, Jack, Charlie and Sayid)
of guns in Marshall's case
- # of aces on Boone's t-shirt
- # of years since Hurley's grandfather got his pacemaker
- # of years since Sawyer made his “birthday wish”
- # of people that will fit on Micheals raft
- # of months michealangelo stared at marble “working” in Locke’s story/Boone then asks if they’re going to stare at the hatch for 4 months
- # of miles due west back to camp from where Locke ties up Boone
- # of people Micheal needed to help did Jack out of the cave-in
- # of refills of Shannons inhaler Boone brought with him
- # of survivors of the plane to die since the plane crash(the sky marshall, Scott, the lady that drowned, pilot)
- # of days that pass before Jack decides to burn the fuselage/bodies for a signal
- # of traps Locke sets up around camp to get Ethan
- # of times Hurley says Charlie shot Ethan(He actually was shot 6 times)
- # of months the Psychic tried to convince Claire to raise her baby alone before giving her money and telling her of the couple in LA
- Shannon asks Boone what him and Locke have been doing in the jungle for the past 4 days
- Sayid said the French signal could be a SAT 4
- Leonard playing the game Connect Four
- Walt says he needs a 4-3 in the backgammon game
- The number of years Locke was paralyzed
- Sun and Jin met 4 years ago
- Sayid left the republican guard 4 years ago
- Driveshaft broke up 4 years ago
- Claire only had 4 weeks left until she delivered when they originally got to the island (I wasn't positive about this one)
- Sam Toomy (the guy whose wife Hurley goes to visit in Australia) shot himself 4 years ago

8 - The # of people that died when Hurley's sneaker factory burned down
- The #of rails on the sides of the baby cradle Locke makes for Claire
- # of months Claire was pregnant when they crashed (hence why she only has 4 weeks left until the baby's born)
- # of Kilometers the hitman tells Jin to drive
- # of whiskey shots between Sawyer and Kate when they play I never"- # of hours Kate would spend in the woods with her father tracking deer
- # of years since Micheal got hit by car
- # of years Micheals been writing Walt
- # of months Locke and Helen have been talking
- # of days since Charlie went with out his guitar
- # of weeks driveshaft was going to tour
- # of days after the crash Jack/other survivors moved to the caves
- # of years Micheal worked in construction
- Sawyers age when his Dad killed himself and his wife(sawyer may have been 9)
- Shannon's age when her Dad married Boones Mom
- news station at Hurley’s Lotto interview
- Walt born in August

48 (4 followed by 8)
- The number of original crash survivors
- You can also get to this number by adding all the digits of the lotto numbers plus the digits of Hurley's net worth ($156 mil). 4+8+1+5+1+6+2+3+4+2+1+5+6 = 48

15 - The age of Rousseau's missing son (again, unconfirmed)
- The score you need to win backgammon (which Hurley and Locke play often)
- # of members on Danielle's research team
- # on whiskey bottle that Sawyer and Kate drink from
- # of hours Boone flew to rescue his sister
- # of kilometers to nearest town from the aussie farm Kate was on

815 (8 followed by 15) - the flight number
- Safety deposit box that Kate wanted
- Copier Charlie sold was model #C-815

16 - Number of weeks the lotto had not been won
- Number of years Rousseau has been on the island
- Number of years ago that Leonard and Sam Toomy heard the numbers being broadcast on the radio
- Number of hours the pilot was out of radio contact before the plane crashed
- Number of years Sawyer had been carrying around his revenge letter
- Jack, Kate, and Charlie found the pilot 16 hours after the crash
- Age of patient of Jacks first solo procedure
- Jack told the lady at the airport desk he had to land in LAX in 16 hours to bury his father/flight was 16 hours

23 - Jack's seat number on the plane
- Kate's "bounty" was $23,000
- according to some, a number related to chaos because 2+3=5, the ultimate number of discord
- Boone's age (he's about 3 years older than Shannon who revealed she was 20 in one episode)

42 - The number you get when you multiply the number of numbers (6) by the number of rows Rousseau had them written in (7)
- The number of spaces on a Connect Four board (which crazy Leonard was playing when Hurley came to visit)
- According to Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the number that's "the meaning of life, the Universe and everything"

Other Similarities & Connections:
Boxes have been mentioned in a number of episodes now:
- Leonard (the crazy guy Hurley got the numbers from) warned him thay playing those numbers "opened the box"
- Locke worked for a box company
- Hurley owned a box company (quite likely the same one Locke worked at since both are located in Tustin)
- Michael's letters to Walt were in a box
- Kate's "robbery" was to get to a safety deposit box
- Jack was bringing his father home in a "pine box" by his words (slang for coffin)
- Sayid fixed Rousseau's music box in order to gain her trust

- Hurley was on tv at the house where Jin attacked the official
- Boone and Sawyer were both in the same police station in Australia
- Sawyer met Jack's dad in the bar
- The girl that drew Hurley's winning lotto numbers is the girl that Sawyer was with when the guy showed up with the "info" about the guy who swindled his parents

Wow, there was a lot more box relations than i thought.

Hope you don't mind if I re-post this here. I started it's own thread but it belongs here, too, for you to share. (Thought it might make me worthy.)



The numbers sequence, when plotted on a 6 x 6 grid, using base 6, creates something that looks like an X. BUT... when you repeat the series of numbers over and over in the same manner.... it creates a helix. WAIT...wait ... when you add the third element, being positive and negative.... it creates a double helix.... yes folks, it's a recognizable helix or possibly some wave frequency thing.

No Kidding... It made my stomach flip when it worked out the way it did. I had no idea and then... I saw it.

We create a grid. 6 spaces tall and 18 spaces long. There will be two columns going up the side, one marking each space from the bottom up, 1 thru 6. The other marking each space from the top down, 1 - 6.

Along the bottom and the top, we'll put all the numbers from the sequence and repeat them 3 times.

EX.
4 8 15 15 23 42 4 8 15 15 23 42 4 8 15 15 23 42
1 6
2 5
3 4
4 3
5 2
6 1
4 8 15 15 23 42 4 8 15 15 23 42 4 8 15 15 23 42

Moving upward from the bottom is positve +
Moving downward from the top is negative -

I'll go through the positive sequence once. The negative sequence works just the same only from the top down, and it's negative.

Starting with the first 4 on the bottom, count up to 4 in the row to the left. We want to put a one there. (more on this in a sec.)
Avove the 8 moving up, there is no 8. It stops at 6. So, we move up through the numbers 1 - 6, once, and then 2 more; equaling 8. Think of dropping checkers in Connect Four First you drop 6 to fill up the column, then you dump those and drop 2 more. You've dropped 8 all together.... I hope that helps for some.

OKay, so, above the 8 in the 2 row, we want to put in a 2. Why a "2", you say, we just put in a 1 before... we put in a 2 because when we stopped putting checkers in the column, we were on our second column. We added 6 (that was 1), then we added 2 (that was 2), to equal 8.

To get to 15, we go through 2 columns of 6; that's 12, plus 3 more to equal 15 and we use a 3 because it's the 3rd column of checkers we're adding.

To get to 16, we go through 2 columns of 6; that's 12, plus 4 more to equal 16 and we use a 3 again because it's the 3rd column of checkers we're adding.

To get 23, we go through 3 columns of 6; that's 18, plus 5 more to equal 23 and we use a 4 because.... it's the 4th time in the column.

To get to 42, we through 7 columns of 6 equaling 42. So across from 6 and above 42 we put a 7.


Here's an example of what we've just done. For the first sequence of numbers in the positve run.

4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42
1 6 7
2 5 4
3 4 1 3
4 3 3
5 2 2
6 1
4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42

Now I'll add the negative numbers. Remember, that's moving down from the top. I will use letter a - g to equal -1 thru -7.

4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42
1 6 7
2 5 b 4
3 4 1 c 3
4 3 a 3 c
5 2 2 d
6 1 g
4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42

Now, repeat...

4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42
1 6 7 7 7
2 5 b 4 b 4 b 4
3 4 1 c 3 1 c 3 1 c 3
4 3 a 3 c a 3 c a 3 c
5 2 2 d 2 d 2 d
6 1 g g g
4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42

Now, drop the 1's and the 7's... I'll get to this later.

4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42
1 6
2 5 b 4 b 4 b 4
3 4 c 3 c 3 c 3
4 3 3 c 3 c 3 c
5 2 2 d 2 d 2 d
6 1
4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42

Now... We'll connect the numbers and letters, alternating, between numbers and letters...

2 to 3 to 3 to 4, across to b, then c, c, d, across to 2 then 3, 3, 4. Do the same sequence from b to d, across to 2 then up to 4...

Wha-la! Helix.

Now... abck to why we removed the 1s and a's or 1s and -1s.

If you use the 1s and negative 1s to register a center point... between 1 and -1 is 0... or the center line. When we apply this third dimension or z axis to move the points toward you and away from you .

4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42
1 6
2 5 b 4 b
3 4 c 3 c
4 3 c 3 c
5 2 d 2 d
6 1
4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42

When applied to this wave, b is 2steps inside you monitor, the c's are 3 steps inside and d is 4 steps.
Then we move forward and toward you to 2 steps outside your monitor, then out to 3, then out to 4.

Between -4 and 4 is the diameter of the helix as it revolves around.

I'm not sure why the 7s are out there. some kind of register mark or possibly pointing a special gene sequence, I don't know.


Okay...now I know this sounds crazy, but this really works.
I know there will be some skeptics and nit-pickers but the math is there. And everything that's used is very basic... what better way to communicate with someone that basic math.

Then again, maybe it's not DNA... it could be some sort of mind altering EM frequency.

Either way, I wasn't looking to find this... when I saw the helix forming I thought, "Now that's odd." But after I discovered the third dimension I thought, "This is way to weird to be a mistake."

You decide.

wow... I'm way too tired tonight- but I'm definitely going to take a look at LE's and your post, kg. Tomorrow though. :D

Charlie- lol okay! Happy Appreciation Day! Hope it was a good one! :lol2:

kgmaus- lol sorry I'll have to be like Charlie and read it in the morning! lol I don't want to think that much right now. But don't worry I WILL read it!

I think the DNA theory is amazing! I've read somewhere else where someone had compared the numbers to DNA a bit differently.

They used 23 to respresent the numbers of genes you recieve from each parent, which would add up to 46. However, they proposed that perhaps Alex (they were assuming the numbers meant Danielle's child) was a sort of...test subject for whatever they were doing, or maybe the Others messed with the genetics and thus Alex only recieved 42 'normal' genes and that 4 more were altered geneticly for whatever reason they were on the science expedition anyway. *shrugs* I don't know how much worth that carries as it's a lot of speculating, but I figured I'd toss it in.

Annd, I have something of my own to toss in. It's probably irrelevant, but why not give it a try? This could be added to the list. In "Homecoming" when they should Charlie's friend about to select "You All Everybody" to play from the jukebox, the numbers on either side are as follows
134 ...... 146
234 ...... 246
Okay, so most of those don't add up, but 234 fits in to the number scheme. (4815162342)
Also, there are 15 letters in "You All Everybody"

I tried to make another connection, using Fibonacci's numbers, but the only thing that I was able to conclude that only the number 8 stands alone in those series of numbers, and the string only gets as far as "4815" and that's in the fifth hundredth set of numbers. Fibonacci's numbers are numbers that exist everywhere in nature (in pine cones, honey bees, etc.) Oddly enough, this particular string of numbers doesn't exist and the number eight is the only number in this particular string that actually exists alone in Fibonacci's numbers.

Most of that is probably irrelevant, but I figured I'd offer it up just in case. xD

kgmaus -- THANK YOU for bringing that post over here!!!

Charlie -- you don't have to go the Theories NOW :lol2:

Wow, I swear this ship has possibly the most fascinating stuff pop up in it. REALLY good you guys!

kgmaus, and Elurandir- would you two like to become members here?

kg, I still haven't read all of your post yet (shame on me.. lol) I'm sick and I don't think my head can take that kind of thing right now. I was getting headaches just trying to follow along with Elurandir. ;)

Elu- I added that to the list. Thanks. :)

Charlie -- you are sick -- I am so sorry -- I hope you feel better soon ---

Wow, I swear this ship has possibly the most fascinating stuff pop up in it.* REALLY good you guys!*

kgmaus, and Elurandir-* would you two like to become members here?


That would be very cool, thanks for the invite.

Hope you get to feeling better... I had some kind of junk last week... was out for 3 days.

Also on the number 8: Kate said that her father spent 8 hours in the woods tracking deer (showing her how to track deer) in ATBCHDI eppy.

Cool, kg. :)* I'll add you in right now.* And thanks for the well wishes. :)* (edit:* you're NUMBER 18, btw)

Hey, mise-en, how about you?* And thanks for that bit. :)

Looks like I've got some work to do with the list.* Would somebody be willing to help me sort through LE's # list?* Sort thru to see which entries we already have and which we don't I mean.

If someone will take the 4's, or the 815's, or the 8's, etc.... we can get it sorted out pretty fast, I think. I'll start with the 4's I suppose. Just post the one's that AREN'T in the Numbered List on here, and then I'll enter them in.

Charile -- give me the numbers you want me to do and I will start right away

Care

Taking the 8's would be helpful. :) Thanks a lot, care.

8 -
- The #of rails on the sides of the baby cradle Locke makes for Claire
- # of Kilometers the hitman tells Jin to drive
- # of whiskey shots between Sawyer and Kate when they play I never"- # of hours Kate would spend in the woods with her father tracking deer
- # of years since Micheal got hit by car
- # of years Micheals been writing Walt
- # of months Locke and Helen have been talking
- # of days since Charlie went with out his guitar
- # of days after the crash Jack/other survivors moved to the caves
- # of years Micheal worked in construction
- Sawyers age when his Dad killed himself and his wife(sawyer may have been 9)
- Shannon's age when her Dad married Boones Mom
- news station at Hurley’s Lotto interview
- Walt born in August

Charlie just copy the new list to your list of 8 -- I removed what you already had listed ---

What next :)

Care

Thank you so much. :) I got the 4's added in, or at least all but 2-3- which were really far stretched ;). I'll add your 8's in now.

After that, you can go on to the 15's and I'll take the 16's.

kgmaus, and Elurandir- would you two like to become members here?


Yeah that'd be awesome. Thanks!

I hope you feel better as well.

Great! You're NUMBER 19, Elurandir

15 - The age of Rousseau's missing son (again, unconfirmed)
- The score you need to win backgammon (which Hurley and Locke play often)
- # on whiskey bottle that Sawyer and Kate drink from
- # of hours Boone flew to rescue his sister
- # of kilometers to nearest town from the aussie farm Kate was on

815 (8 followed by 15) - the flight number

OK 8 and 815 are done -- although
I am not sure you want to add the very first one since it is total speculation --the missing son -- I left it - but you can delete -- it is your call -

What next :)

Care


HEY Charlie I changed the 815 - copier on my post above you already had it SORRY --

sheesh you're fast- lol, take 23 now, if you still want to keep going-* I'm not making you ;).

The Numbered List is now on page 15, being the third number in the sequence. :)

The Numbered List

1.* The Numbers are-* 4 8 15 16 23 42
2.* 4 years and 16 years have been mentioned many times, along with other numbers-* (we need to know WHAT they were reffering to...)
* * *4:
* * * * -years of Lockes condition
* * * * -years ago Sawyer made a birthday wish to be tackled in the jungle by a woman
* * * * -guns in the marshal's case
* * * * -years ago Sam Toome died
* * * * -years ago Hurleys grandpa got a pace-maker
* * * * -LOST is on Wednesdays; Wednesday being the fourth day of the week.
* * * * -aces on Boone's t-shirt
* * * * -years since Sawyer made his “birthday wish”
* * * * -people that will fit on Micheals raft
* * * * -months michealangelo stared at marble “working” in Locke’s story/Boone then asks if they’re going to stare at the hatch for 4 months
* * * * -miles due west back to camp from where Locke ties up Boone
* * * * -refills of Shannons inhaler Boone brought with him
* * * * -days that pass before Jack decides to burn the fuselage/bodies for a signal
* * * * -traps Locke sets up around camp to get Ethan
* * * * -times Hurley says Charlie shot Ethan(He actually was shot 6 times)
* * * * -months the Psychic tried to convince Claire to raise her baby alone before giving her money and telling her of the couple in LA
* * * * -Sayid said the French signal could be a SAT 4
* * * * -Leonard playing the game Connect Four
* * * * -Sun and Jin met 4 years ago
* * * * -Sayid left the republican guard 4 years ago
* * * * -Driveshaft broke up 4 years ago
* * * * -Claire only had 4 weeks left until she delivered when they originally got to the island
* * * * -Locke tells Walt 4 times to "see it" when teaching him to throw the knife.
* * * * -Numbers 1:4 - "And with you there shall be a man of every tribe; every one head of the house of his fathers"
* * *8:
* * * * -people dead in Hurley's shoe factory fire
* * * * -months preganat Claire was at the time of the crash
* * * * -Charlie's band was to go on tour for 8 weeks.
* * * * -LOST starts at 8 PM EST.
* * * * -rails on the sides of the baby cradle Locke makes for Claire
* * * * -Kilometers the hitman tells Jin to drive
* * * * -whiskey shots between Sawyer and Kate when they play "I never"
* * * * -hours Kate would spend in the woods with her father tracking deer
* * * * -years since Micheal got hit by car
* * * * -years Micheal had been writing Walt
* * * * -months Locke and Helen had been talking
* * * * -days since Charlie went without his guitar
* * * * -days after the crash Jack/other survivors moved to the caves
* * * * -years Micheal worked in construction
* * * * -Sawyers age when his Dad killed himself and his wife
* * * * -Shannon's age when her Dad married Boones Mom
* * * * -news station at Hurley’s Lotto interview
* * * * -Walt born in August (8th month)
* * * * -Beyond the sea's original soundtrack has a track called "LOST" and it is Track #8
* * * * -on 08/12 every 20 years, the magnetic field of the earth reaches a peak
* * 15:
* * * * -members of Danielle's research team
* * * * -(11:15) time Sun was going to leave Jin
* * * * -number of letters in “Oceanic Airlines”
* * * * -The score you need to win backgammon
* * * * -# on whiskey bottle that Sawyer and Kate drink from
* * * * -hours Boone flew to rescue his sister
* * * * -kilometers to nearest town from the aussie farm Kate was on
815/518:
* * * * -flight number
* * * * -Kate’s lock box number
* * * * -model of Charlie’s copy machine
* * * * -"815" was written on the inside of the tongue of the shoes that Kate pulled off of ____ in the Pilot episode
* * * * -815 on plane-mobile pver crib in Claire's nightmare
* * * * -815 on Chineese Letters on Bonne's t-shirt
* * * * -Episode #18 Numbers was on March 2nd, which is 3+2=05 +Epi 18 = 815
* * * * -Hebrew gematria 815 = life, eve, Jesus~~ 518 Sun~~815 = Moon
* * * * -518 kHz Frequency is for missing and overdue boats
* * * * -815 is Michael's aprtment number
* * * * -When Jin got the watch back from Michael, he checked the time and it was 8:15
* * * * -
* * *16:
* * * * -years Danielle has been on the island
* * * * -years the transmission loop has been playing
* * * * -weeks since last lottery winner before Hurley
* * * * -years ago Sam Toome and Leonard heard the numbers being broadcast on the radio
* * * * -number of small red circles surounding the O in the Oceanic Airlines logo
* * * * -hours the pilot was out of radio contact before the plane crashed
* * * * -years Sawyer had been carrying around his revenge letter
* * * * -the pilot was found 16 hours after the crash
* * * * -age of patient of Jacks first solo procedure
* * * * -Jack told the lady at the airport desk he had to land in LAX in 16 hours to bury his father.* Flight was supposed to be 16 hours
* * *23:
* * * * -Jack's seat number on the plane
* * * * -Boone's age? (not sure. Shannon said she was 20. Boone said that their parents got married when he was 10 and she was 8. He could be 2* * years plus a few months older then her. As in, he just turned 23 and she’s about to turn 21. Still, not sure.)
* * * * -23,000 dollar reward for Kate
* * * * -according to some, a number related to chaos because 2+3=5, the ultimate number of discord
-the numbers on Sawyer's letter to um... Sawyer, were '1976'- 1+9+7+6= 23
* * *42:
* * * * -possibly the number of survivors left at the end of the season if a few more die.
* * * * -42 is the natural vibration frequency of human DNA.
* * * 9:
* * * * -9 being the number you get if you add 1+0+8 together.
* * * * -815 crashed on the 9th month - September.
* * * * -Sayid stabbed Sawyer on the 9th day.
108:
* * * * -108 = the original # of earthly desires in humans
* * * * -the # of the lies that humans tell
* * * * -# of delusions and forms of ignorance
* * * * -a holy # in some religions
* * * * -Walt and Hurley, playing backgammon, they rolled 6-6-6, which could be 6x6x6 = 216/2=108* (666, also the number of the Antichrist)
* * * * -In Claire's flashback, her "man" is telling her how long they have to wait for the results of the pregnancy test and he stutters 6,6,6 seconds = 108
3.* The first two numbers, slid together, are 48- the (original) number of survivors on the island.
4.* The plane flight was 815 (right?)
5.* 42 = the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything!
6.* It was 16 yrs ago that the Navy heard the transmission, one used the numbers, killed himself 4 yrs before Hurley could meet him.
7.* Theory-
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I believe that these numbers are a point of origin.* The hatch has the numbers imprinted on it, the numbers are being broadcasted from the ISLAND.* The call was a call to whomever, to find whatever is in the hatch....why else have the numbers on the hatch?* Whatever is in the hatch, is the key.
8.* Theory-
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Remember, like, in the 2nd eppie when they were all listening to the transmitter? There were a bunch of numbers playing before Danielle's actual distress call. Could these be the numbers?
9.* The numbers added up- 108* A holy number, in some religions.
* * Desires: There are said to be 108 earthly desires in mortals.
* * Lies: There are said to be 108 lies that humans tell.
* * Delusions: There are said to be 108 human delusions or forms of ignorance.
10.* *Theory-
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the sequence of 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 is part of a sequencce of nonprime numbers of 1's in binary expansion.
11.* Theory-
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Flight* #815, about a 16 hour flight, that left on the 22nd U.S. time which I believe would make it the 23rd in Oz.

12.* 15+16+23-42-8=4 15+16+23-42-4=8 42-23-16+4+8=15 42-23-15+4+8=16 42-16-15+4+8=23 15+16+23-4-8=42* They all add or subtract to equal one of the numbers
13.* According to the Periodic Table of Elements-
* * *8 - Oxygen
* * *15 - Phosphorus
* * *16 - Sulpher
* * *23 - Vanadium
* * *42 - Molybdenum
* * *108 - Hassium
About Hassium-* *Hassium, is a synthetic element that is not present in the environment at all.* Only a few atoms of element 108, hassium, have ever been made. The first atoms were made through a nuclear reaction involving fusion of an isotope of lead.* Isolation of an observable quantity of hassium has never been achieved, and may well never be. This is because hassium decays very rapidly through the emission of a-particles.
14.* In the first episode Jack tells Kate about the surgery that taught him how to let the fear in ... he was operating on a 16 year old girl.
15.* Danielle's note with the numbers has 7 rows and 6 columns. 7 x 6 = 42, which is also the same number of slots in the Connect Four game.
16.* Using the ASCII chart I come up with the following:* (assuming that the numbers are decimal.)
* * * 4=* *End of Transmit
* * * 8=* *Backspace
* * * 15= Shift In
* * * 16= Data link escape
* * * 23= End trans. block
* * * 42= *
17.* Bible verses account for something, but who knows what book to look in.
18.* Psalm 23- "The Lord is my shepard; I shall not want..."
19.* William S. Burroughs wrote a short story (23 Skidoo) about the number 23 that mentioned all the weird things connected to it. Legend has it that it was inspired when he met a Captain Clark who told him he had run a ferry from Spain to Morocco with no problem for 23 years. Hours later it sank, killing the skipper.
20.* 4+8+15+16+23 = 66 and... 4+2 = 6.* Remember 42 was the "mega number" and was thus separate from the others.* So, what do we have?* *666
21.* It could be lat and long coordinates.* Two groups of three numbers .....degrees, minutes and seconds, such as N 4degrees 8 min 15 sec and W 16 degrees 23 min 42 sec.* Points to inland Africa.*
22.* The connect 4 game has 42 holes
23.* Many equations lead to the answer = 9.* The length of the episode "Numbers" was even 117 minutes, which also equals = 9.* And nine is the number of completion in numerology.
24.* If you use A=1, B=2 etc, look what you get ...
* * * * *J* *- A -* C -* *K* * * * * * * *S* -* H* - E* -* P* -* H* -* E* -* R* -* D
* * * * *10+1* + 3 + 11* * * *+* * 19 + 8 + 5* + 16 + 8* +* 5* + 18 + 4* * * =* 108
25.** In "Homecoming" when they showed Charlie's friend about to select "You All Everybody" to play from the jukebox, the numbers on either side are as follows* 134 ...... 146* and...* 234 ...... 246* *4815162342
26.* The number grid on Danielle's paper PERFECTLY matches the Connect Four grid.* Also, Lines can be drawn across, down, & diagonal on her note to "connect" all the numbers in sequence. You can win Connect 4 from several angles....And the passengers can be connected from many angles as well. ....Folks have noted Jack sat in 23A, 23 perhaps standing for a row ppl were "destined" to survive in. We're assuming the numbers have to read from left to rt, but maybe they can read from rt to left as well. A 747 has 65 rows...More specifically a number, or combo of them-like 8+15=the flight, represents an individual passenger in some way who was destined to survive vs it just being a row #.
27.* 16 years ago (from now) was 1989. If you add 19 and 89 you get 108.
28.* There are 108 stitches on a baseball.
29.* There are 108 beads on a traditional/original Catholic (or is it Hindu? 0_o) Prayer Rosary.
30.* If you mapquest latitude and longitude with the coordinates 4.815 and 162.342 it shows the middle of the North Pacific Ocean not far from Papa New Guinea which is right next to Australia.
31.* Odd numbers = positive (electric)~~ Even numbers = negative (magnetic)
32.* There are references to 815 or at least part in all episodes except Tabula Rasa, so is the clue Blank State?

Working on 23 and the other coinsidences :lol2:

I know you aren't making me happy to help :)

I'm what? lol?

23 - - according to some, a number related to chaos because 2+3=5, the ultimate number of discord

OK -- 23 is done and the other coincidences are not related to numbers in any way -- so you don't need those :)

You are NOT making me help you -- read a few posts above --


HEY I am almost at 500 posts is that premium economy -- ??

*nominats Care for vice president*

HAPPY APPY DAY CARE!

WHY THANK YOU LOCKE --

VP of what :lol2:

Methinks he means VP of the NUMBERS ship. ;)

Look what you said earlier, Care ;)...I know you aren't making me happy to help

sounds like I'm not making you HAPPY to help. ;) lol.

The numbers group! You've been working like your life depends upon it!

ROTFL ---

CHARLIE -- I am HAPPY --- LOL -- SO SORRY that does read wrong* :lol2:

Sorry I was about clueless on the VP thing -- again you are my adult conversation for the day* :lol2:


My life does depend on it --- it keeps me sane :lol2:

Heh... you had me thinking I was losing my mind because I was sick... for a second. But I kept reading thinking... no sure enough, that's what it says, lol.

OH -- I am so sorry -- I wondered why you asked making you what :lol2:

Just what you need when you are sick -- me confusing you ---
Hope you feel better soon --

But HEY we got thru the list REALLY FAST!!!!


SO who is the president ???

We did get through that fast.... extremely fast. :o

I think this is more like a dictatorship.* :D* Meaning, I'm the "president"* :p

Well if it is a dictatorship I can't be your VP :lol2:

HEY is it 500 to Premium -- I am almost there :)

Heh. You can if I appoint you ;), I suppose.

Yep 500- Just two more posts for you! :D

WOW two more posts and I can follow you to PREMIUM -- you will never be able to get rid of me --

lol :lol2: Eh, I got no problem with that. ;)

Well I need to go... I'll probably be back on later though. Happy Appreciation Day, and Happy Entering Premium Ec Day (yes, I made that one up...)! :D

THANKS CHARLIE

HOPE you feel better soon - this is my 500th post --

AND BTW -- would be honored to be your VP :)

Sure thing, you can put it in your Custom Member title if you want. Seeing as you don't have one yet. ;)

Lol... Your in Premium Economy lol. Took me forever to just reach Coach :P I guess i post in games and on the LB too much ;D

*chants numbers fastlike*

Charlie you are going to think I am a total nut -- BUT what Custom member title -- and what should I put there???? :lol2:


Locke -- you need to chat with Charlie -- you will be in Premium in NO TIME!!!

Hehe, Charlie is sooo awesome... it's like we're related!!! *headdesk* Oh my..... we are! :P

Yup, i chat with him all the time... on MSN messenger haha. Congrats on your premium economy goal..... and on your appy day too!

Locke -- are you and Charlie really related --- or just stuck on an island together :lol2:

WHY doesn't any one IM me????

THANK YOU again Locke -- I guess you aren't so bad afterall :lol2: OK just kidding you aren't but your namesake IS BAD ;)

hahaha...... so you are one to believe in the end Locke is ultimately evil eh? Haha... we shall see :)

Well if you can keep a secret from him.... (i'm sure he'll disclaim this :P haha) but yes we are related hehe. If you don't have an instant messenger then no one can IM you :)

I"m speaking of like MSN or AOL or Yahoo or even ICQ messengers.

I have AOL and Yahoo --

How are you two related -- ya know I am gullible and will believe you :lol2:

Congrats on the big 500 , Care!!


You seemed excited...



(I'm almost there)

THANKS kgmaus -- I was so excited to hit 500

AND Charlie nominated me for appreciation day so all around an AWESOME DAY at the fuselage!

Glad your day was awesome care! Lol... well i dunno if Chuck would appreciate that haha... i think i'm embarrassed him in the past :P i'm more goofy and outgoing and that kid has the brains and intellect... he's a linguist for pete's sakes. But anyways... we're cousins.

I didn't think Charlie was his real name -- maybe we shouldn't be talking about him since he isn't online to defend :lol2:

Haha, i hear the poor guy is getting sick... too bad. He's always got something it seems :P

Yeah, it's not his real name.... just like my last name's not Locke and my first name's not John lol.

I'm about three years older than he is but he looks older actually :P

I treat him the same age and sometimes i look up to him haha. But we get along great like bro's. He was the one that got me into Lost (thank heavens) and told me about this site.

Locke - is 300 economy -- DID You just make it to economy >>>

Yes he did, and I don't think he noticed either. ;) lol.

Charlie you are online again!!

IS what he is saying TRUE -- you are related??

Yeah, dunno why he said I would deny it. :P

Cool cousins -- CHARLIE and LOCKE -- did you do that on purpose :lol2:

I've been economy since 250 *i noticed at about 260


I saw that Charlie was on and then i was like *le groan* He's gonna get mad... apparently he's not? lol


Oh remember back at the Gfaqs board... back when our discussions weren't civilized :P

Indeed! I have matured *deep Zeus voice* lol. But yeah... i dunno.... i think one time i embarrassed him haha. Maybe a coupla times :P


Yes we sorta did... he said he was charlie and so i did Locke haha....

I should not have picked a Character name and i realize this in the long run.... but it does have it's benefits... my names highlighted on the LB :P

HEY your names are better than mine - I am so creatively challenged :lol2:

And the Jim half doesn't even watch lost as I have stated before!!!


Glad you two are remaining civilized ----- :lol2:

Haha, actually, he was always civilized i believe haha. But yeah.. i used to have problems with ppl who disagreed with me... :-[ But not anymore. I take things with a grain of salt.

Haha, nah, that's a great name... and it shows you love your husband :) But your just gonna have to work on him liking lost.... the dvd's come out early September *hint hint hint* :P ask for them for you birthday if it's not far from September haha!

Locke... you don't get half of the benefits from a Character name.

Yep.

That's right... I get FAN MAIL. ;D

Locke already knows this... and no not kidding, care :lol2: