My thoughts are that the con Juliet and Ben scheme at the end regarding Claire and the implant somewhat fly in the face of the fact that we see a pregnant woman (Sabine) die.

I know these are not directly related but:

Showing the woman's death proves the pregnancy problem on the island...I think.

If that's true isn't there a problem with why an implant on Claire is necessary...or are these totally unrelated?

My thoughts are that the con Juliet and Ben scheme at the end regarding Claire and the implant somewhat fly in the face of the fact that we see a pregnant woman (Sabine) die.

I know these are not directly related but:

Showing the woman's death proves the pregnancy problem on the island...I think.

If that's true isn't there a problem with why an implant on Claire is necessary...or are these totally unrelated?


If I'm not mistaken... Claire's implant was just to make her sick. They said the injections are what she "needed".

What I understand from the chain of events is that the procedure on the woman who dieda) was three years before Claire got to the Island and
b) was part of a work in progress.
That is, Ben & Co. had not figured out how to have babies on the Island.

( I use caps on "Island" because I think of the Island as a character.
It makes the story - at least to me - more alive and viable.)

I think the implant and the woman who died are related in the sense that
they belong in a chain of events. We don't know what kind of implant
it is - a monitoring device, a tracking device etc.

But we do know that it can receive signals to do something, i.e. make
someone sick. If it can also make someone well, then that is some kind
of technology that is worth investing in.

As to whether it is a con, that I think we will have to wait and see what else happens.

I know that I don't know what I am talking about...but if the pregnancy death thing is real and if Claire is the first person/woman to give birth on the island, then...

is there a connection between her special place on the island and being picked to be the implant person.

I guess the implant person is done only to set up a person to infiltrate the losties and to save them and to be welcomed as "one of them". So the title is a con, a trick.

My question is (hell I forget now) are these two related?

I'm serious, this bugs me.

Now I see what you are asking.

Claire is pregnant and gets kidnapped by Ethan so he can administer
a drug so she will not miscarry and possibly die.

All the while, all the "Other" (lit.) pregnancies are failing.

I'm thinking ... wait ...

Okay, so if you believe Juliet's story, then "yes" they are related.
So to the "Losties" the story about the Island not wanting babies
being born makes sense.

But we know that Clarie was (maybe?) "cured or healed" of the Island's
babe curse because of the drug Ethan gave to her.

But to us the viewers, the procedure Juliet did on Claire was a ruse -
an illusion to make Juliet look like a hero thus helping the "Losties"
to have confidence in her.

I just thought of something. The confidence the "Losties" will give to
Juliet will serve some purpose in the future. Wow!

So knowing that we know that a future deception is being planned.

Could it be that Juliet will con the "Losties" into a future situation based
on them trusting her? As Donny Deutsch would say, "Now that's a Big Idea."
[ Donny Deutsch at wik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donny_Deutsch ]


Getting back to your question - If you believe Juliet's story then they are
related.
Otherwise, then "no" they are not related.

Sorry if I got off topic for a bit but that's what happens when I think and
write. Your question got me thinking. Hey, it was a good question.

Don't worry about being off topic. As I said I really don't know what I am talking about.

I agree about Juliet's future con. If she's still on Ben's team. My guess is that she's going to try something with Sun.

If the losties can win her over then the fight with the Others is on. Juliet has the knowledge to help them battle it out with them. Perhaps this just means battling it out with Ben and taking over. Personally I think this will be Lockes role.

Back to my disturbance of the contradiction. Why would they plant something in Clair when they are desparately trying to save her and her baby? I she that much of an experiment that they do not care for her life at all? Is she nothing more than an expendable lab rat? Are they willing to risk the 'science' of her treatment to put an implant in her?

The did two things to her, treat her, and implant her. Don't these seem inconsistent if they are practicing real science?

I know that I don't know what I am talking about...but if the pregnancy death thing is real and if Claire is the first person/woman to give birth on the island, then...


But Claire isn't. Ben was born on the Island... ;)

I agree about Juliet's future con. If she's still on Ben's team. My guess is that she's going to try something with Sun.
Or she's simply there to find out more. After all, as of now I don't see any way that the Others can kno about Sun's pregnancy. How should they? But maybe she's there to find out if somebody is pregnant, or to find more general information.


Back to my disturbance of the contradiction. Why would they plant something in Clair when they are desparately trying to save her and her baby? I she that much of an experiment that they do not care for her life at all? Is she nothing more than an expendable lab rat? Are they willing to risk the 'science' of her treatment to put an implant in her?
I don't think the Others were ever trying to save Claire. They just wanted the baby. I'd need to see the episode in the medical hatch again, but didn't Alex even tell the drugged Claire that they wanted to do a caesarian and take the baby? I don't remember, but I'm fairly sure that for the Others, it was always about the baby, never about Claire.
Her whole treatment was about keeping the baby alive and healthy until it wa born. They just didn't want to risk Claire miscarrying because of the island's effect on pregnant women.
As for the implant, I figured it was something to help influence Claire's condition after the birth, maybe even to control her in case she escaped or was rescued.

I don't think the Others were ever trying to save Claire. They just wanted the baby. I'd need to see the episode in the medical hatch again, but didn't Alex even tell the drugged Claire that they wanted to do a caesarian and take the baby? I don't remember, but I'm fairly sure that for the Others, it was always about the baby, never about Claire.
Her whole treatment was about keeping the baby alive and healthy until it wa born. They just didn't want to risk Claire miscarrying because of the island's effect on pregnant women.
As for the implant, I figured it was something to help influence Claire's condition after the birth, maybe even to control her in case she escaped or was rescued.

Yeh my thoughts are on the same page here. I too thought that Claire's whole treatment was just for the benefit of the baby, and near the end of her stay they were thinking we're not going to risk the island causing a miscarriage so we're just gonna do a caesarian and get the baby out of there now. As to why Alex told Claire that they were going to kill her, well maybe it's because she saw what happened to the previous mothers and how they were dealt with, she thought she was going to die. I think Alex is a little naive so i understand why she'd think that.

Or perhaps they were really going to leave Claire to die, after 4 or 5 mothers dying previously (how many were there again, i'm sure it was mentioned) the Other's priorities were for the baby and then they didn't care about what happened to Claire. Maybe thats what the implant was originally intended to do, kill her or make her sick after the pregnancy when she was vunerable.

But Claire isn't. Ben was born on the Island... ;)

You're absolutely right.

I don't think the Others were ever trying to save Claire. They just wanted the baby. I'd need to see the episode in the medical hatch again, but didn't Alex even tell the drugged Claire that they wanted to do a caesarian and take the baby? I don't remember, but I'm fairly sure that for the Others, it was always about the baby, never about Claire.

If The Others just wanted babies, why wouldn't they just steal them from the mainland, or bring them to The Island the way they brought Cooper? I think they want their own women to be able to conceive on The Island and carry them to term. They don't want to experiment on their own women and lose them, but Lostie women are OK as experimental subjects. Which would explain why Kate was bred to Sawyer, who is known to have fathered a child, rather than Jack, who is not.

We don't know for sure that Claire's implant would have killed her. It might have been to induce a second pregnancy.

Alex was born on the island too, wasn't she?

Alex was born on the island too, wasn't she?

Alex was born on the island if the audience accepts the premise that she is indeed Rousseau's daughter. The problem is, we don't have any confirmation of that through flashbacks. We might also assume that she was conceived off-island by Ben's wife (I can't imagine that) or that she was conceived on-island and survived while her mother did not.

I suspect that Claire wasn't having any problems with her pregnancy (because she conceived off-island), and what they wanted from Claire was to extract healthy cells from her body to use in creating a new serum.

Since there was a scene between Tom and Ethan in the medical hatch where Tom indicates that the scenario as it was playing out with Claire wasn't supposed to happen that way and that "he" wouldn't be happy," I'm not certain that Ethan's plan to take the baby was the others' intention.

But hey, I've been wrong lots of times about what I think is gonna go down...

If The Others just wanted babies, why wouldn't they just steal them from the mainland, or bring them to The Island the way they brought Cooper?

Well if we can look to the Lost Experience and if all this is a grand experiment to re-populate the earth after a global man-made pandemic, then they don't want just to steal kids. They want to be able to make babies so they can in fact re-populate the earth. So far they are a complete failure because they can't make babies on the Island.

I guess in this event The Island could be looked at as a kind of Noah's Ark. Maybe The Island is the tip of Mount Ararat, where the ark landed. Whoa, wasn't the airline they were taking Juliet to "Herarat"? Maybe I should start another thread.

I don't know, this whole claire-implant thing is weird to me.

They implanted her a long time ago, there was no way they'd be able to predict that two months [or however long it's been since the implant] down the road Juliet and Jack were going to be "friends" and he was going to bring her back to his camp. That was obviously a recent plan. So the implant wasn't just for Juliet to con her way into the Losties camp.

It was implanted for some other reason (and Ben just chose to use it now), but why?

I don't know, this whole claire-implant thing is weird to me.

They implanted her a long time ago, there was no way they'd be able to predict that two months [or however long it's been since the implant] down the road Juliet and Jack were going to be "friends" and he was going to bring her back to his camp. That was obviously a recent plan. So the implant wasn't just for Juliet to con her way into the Losties camp.

It was implanted for some other reason (and Ben just chose to use it now), but why?

Didn't Ben say he had activated the implant? Meaning he could bring on Claire's sickness at the most opportune moment, which happens to be now.