I mean c'mon,

We've got the smartass eddie character (sawyer), the noble roland character (jack), and the gifted kid (walt). We have a beach, for father's sake! Throw some lobstrosities on that beach and let them have at it with the pistols....it would be obscure gunslinger reference heaven! ;)

Seriously though, many of the the themes in Lost are lining up well with Stephen King's Darktower books. Darktower asked questions about the nature of the universe....is it ordered or random? Does true evil exist? Is our reality someone else's fiction? How much does our own mind control the events around us? What happens when different realities (or fictions) collide or overlap? How our lives touch other lives in strange or unexpected ways.... Lost is so good at referencing other fiction with similar themes (heart of darkness, watership down, Lord of the Flies, etc) that I am just waiting for the first gunslinger nod....

-h3dge

Wasn't the Dark Tower also bringing more evil into the world(s)? Remember Shardik????

Didn't shardik run on a nuclear battery? That's how we'd be able to solve Hurley's problem......

I think i mentioned before, too...dark tower=black rock?????

and she mentioned

radio TOWER

I looked it up in the book so I could be exact when I say what Shardik is lol....

On the metal plate on its leg it read "North Central Positronics" "Bear" "Subnuclear cells must not be replaced"

"Blood oozed from the socket in a few thick tying trickles, yet it was not just blood.* There was also a clear fluid which gave off an identifiable scent-bananas.* And, embedded in the delicate crisscross of tendons which shaped the socket, he saw a webwork of what looked like strings.* Beyond them, at the back of the socket was a red spark, blinking on and off.* It illuminated a tiny square marked with silvery squiggles of what could only be a solder"

"He touched the cooling meat inside the eyesocket, which was nearly the size of a baseball and then one of those strings, except it wasn't a string, it was a gossamer thin strand of steel.* He withrdrew his finger and saw the tiny red spark blink once more before going out forever"

"Shardik" Eddie murmured.* "I know that name, but I can't place it. Does it mean anything to you, Suze?"
She shook her head
"The thing is..." Eddie laughed helplessly. "I associate it with rabbits.* Isn't that nuts?"


Shardik was a guardian MADE to PROTECT the TOWER...maybe our "monster" was made to protect the Radio Tower, or something else completely.* Each guardian was made to appear to be an animal but was really a robotic man made machine.* But it's really a cyborg beacuse it's half machine and half animal.* The bear also had a satellite dish on it's head, and when it moved it made mechanical noises.* When Susan shot the dish, the bear died.*

And why did Shardik sound familiar to Eddie, and he encorporated it with rabbits....well later on he or Jake says that it's because "Watership Down" was written by Richard Adams, who wrote another book called "Shardik" about a bear.* Well, "Watership Down" was a given reference in the episode "White Rabbit" and when it showed Sawyer reading that book, so maybe there is more to it then just the, white rabbit.

wow, that really fits well.

I should get my act together and read WOTC and SOS, I just was hoping for paperback sometime soon, so it wouldn't bankrupt me

Don't forget that the one of the names of the Wizard that is the "man in black" is walter.....that could be walt for short!

-h3dge

You mentioned Walter, and I got to thinking that wasn't Walter another identity of Flagg, The Tick Tock Man, and a few others who I presumed to be the devil? Not that I believe our little Walt is the devil lol, just wondering.

Did-A-Chick? Dad-a-chum?

I'd love a cameo by Blaine the Mono :lol2: Locke would probably be able to solve the riddles :)

What about possible rhea || danielle? they're both crazy old ladies.

bs4, first CoCa, now I notice you're an alexis fan, you must be from ontario? (or nearby US?)

Remember too-in the Dark Tower EVERYthing was wrong, the universe, the very stars themselves were off kilter. In Lost, the compass doesn't work properly and there is something wrong with the water-the tide came in too quickly and too high. The Rose in the tower-could be a reference to ROSE in Lost? She said maybe others in the tail section of the plane were thinking the same thing about the rest of them-maybe they did survive, How can they not know how big the island is yet? Maybe the Island itself is wrong. Maybe the Radio Tower isn't really for radio, some kind of wave distortion field or something? Just like in the Dark Tower, where our quartet enters through different doors (wrinkle in time?) maybe there are sides to this island somehow.
FYI Shardik was another book written by Adams (of watership down) and Shardik is a bear, a great huge enormous bear. There's nothing magical about him but many of the story's people consider this bear to be holy, "The Power of God", divine.
the mystery continues!!!!!

What about possible rhea || danielle? they're both crazy old ladies.

bs4, first CoCa, now I notice you're an alexis fan, you must be from ontario? (or nearby US?)


Alexisonfire totally rocks!! No I am not from Ontario, I am from NY :)


Remember too-in the Dark Tower EVERYthing was wrong, the universe, the very stars themselves were off kilter. In Lost, the compass doesn't work properly and there is something wrong with the water-the tide came in too quickly and too high. The Rose in the tower-could be a reference to ROSE in Lost? She said maybe others in the tail section of the plane were thinking the same thing about the rest of them-maybe they did survive, How can they not know how big the island is yet? Maybe the Island itself is wrong. Maybe the Radio Tower isn't really for radio, some kind of wave distortion field or something? Just like in the Dark Tower, where our quartet enters through different doors (wrinkle in time?) maybe there are sides to this island somehow.
FYI Shardik was another book written by Adams (of watership down) and Shardik is a bear, a great huge enormous bear. There's nothing magical about him but many of the story's people consider this bear to be holy, "The Power of God", divine.
the mystery continues!!!!!


Wamsies thanks for posting!! :) I've thought about all those things you have posted, especially how the flow of time could be different...I forgot Shardik was the book written by Adams....about the bear, thank you for clearing that one up lol. If the bear, Shardik was "the power of God" and we have "Deus/Deux Ex Machina" meaning "God out of/from the machine" .... maybe our "monster" is much like a Shardik both in Shardik (the book) and from the Dark Tower (A god-like machine?)

I had a interesting dream last night about LOST (can you believe it? yes lol) well....all of a sudden this huge bulldozer/crane came crashing through on the island....I think I'm developing some telepathic powers about future events for the show lol :lol2:

Burningstar-thanks for directing me this way! As a newbie, I didn't even know that Lost Talk existed :) Now I am totally hooked of course. I have been obsessing about all of this so long, its a relief to share! I think we are definitely onto something with the Bear/Shardik/LOST monster.... And when Locke looked up into the trees and saw whatever he saw, he wasn't afraid, more in complete awe. The god or protector of the island, the eye of the island as he said. Now we have to see our Lost crew get to the Black Rock.
I couldn't even watch Survivor last night, I was looking up the meanings of the character's names instead. So I can relate to your bulldozer dream!

No problem I'm glad I could help. I just started reading "The Dark Tower" around X-mas, I'm currently almost through with book 4, but when I was reading book 3 "The Waste Lands" and read the part of Shardik I just screamed out "OMG LOST!" lol....it just sounds like the "monster". And then the whole "Watership Down" mention later on in the story...and then Eddie mentions "Deus Ex Machina" haha (although that probably has no real relevance) it was just funny.

Locke wasn't afraid when he saw the "monster", and he came back with this weird presence I thought....it was just odd.

Hey guys I came across this and thought it was kinda funny....

Not everyone believes Lost is moving fast enough. Best-selling author Stephen King, an early fan, has concerns. "It's been in neutral for the last month or so," he says via e-mail. "I have no clear sense that they know where they're going. My initial interest could be rekindled, but right now it's ... er ... getting lost."

From: http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=456

Charlie "geting a fix" in the plane bathroom was a clear reference to the Dark Tower.

You have the exact same scene in "Drawing of the Three" with Eddie just before he meets Roland for the first time.

OOOOH yea, so correct Flagg....and just as the plane was crashing Charlie leaves the bathroom....and its funny how they crashed on a beach, and in The Dark Tower, they come through the door onto a beach....good catch!

Thanks for the Stephen King quote about LOST! Great catch about the Eddie/Charlie similarity too. I am convinced the "monster" is a good protector, and not something evil at all.

Curiouser and curiouser.

So why did the monster kill the Pilot? lol Or will it kill...its just not evil ???

Jeez-you are right! I completely forgot about the pilot's death, which seemed pretty clear it was the monster. Yet Locke was definitely fine and dandy when he saw it. Could have been something other than the monster that killed the pilot, although I wouldn't think so.

damn, back to the drawing board.

You are right, we aren't sure if the "monster" did kill the Pilot, but I would assume it did....or maybe as it has been suggested elsewhere there are more then one "monster"...we're always on the drawing board, so don't feel bad ;)

First of all I absolutely love the fact that there exists one threaded post about two of my favorite things - Lost and Stephen King/Dark Tower.

When reading the Dark Tower I was often reminded of The Talisman. Remember the hero in that book is Jack Sawyer. Coincidence?

The tower itself always reminded me in The Talisman of the house on the beach that Jack goes into at the end.

Seems like the dark tower, the house from the Talisman and the monster from Lost can mean different things to different people. Maybe good to the "pure" and bad to the not so pure.

Good point tatoomahmut....I have actually never read the Talisman....but I have heard a lot about it, especially related to The Dark Tower.

And Maybe Jack and Sawyer have a equal combination of the kid from The Talisman, what was the kid like?

By the way, I hear they are making the movie "The Talisman"

Hey Tatoo, you had the same reaction i did :) Burningstar turned me onto this thread and I am always checking it, you make a good point, I hadn't factored in the Talisman - been a long LONG while since I read that one. *But sigh, isn't so great to have the Dark Tower and LOST in the same place......lets keep this one going!

there is also a thread about "The Stand" and Lost.....but it was made a long time ago it has since diminished among a million posts lol....but it's a pretty neat thread, so check it out and read the ideas and you can also post if you want. Remember this thread originated in November, so we have learned a lot more about the characters and such so some of the info may seem dated and speculations turned out to be false and what not.

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=526.0

Jack Sawyer from The Talisman was basically a twelve year old kid who had the burden of saving the all the different universes on his shoulders when all he really wanted to do was save his mom from dying of cancer. If you're familiar with Stephen King's writing then you know he loves to make kids heros. Jack was noble, galliant, courageous but he was also twelve which made him scared, humble, insecure and naive at times. But King made him seem beautiful and perfect.

I'm not sure how Lost's Jack and Sawyer could tie in. In the Talisman almost everyone had a "twin" in each world. Of course, people die, and in some worlds the twins didn't exist. What made Jack special was that all of his twins had died and he was the only one left so this allowed him to "flip" back and forth between all the worlds.

Perhaps Lost's Jack and Sawyer are just a tribute to King? I don't know but I love reading everyone's theories!

Well everyone having a twin does remind me a bit of LOST-just because of all the light and dark references, and in a way-all the LOST people are different on the island than they were before (and how many are giving their real names? At the least, Kate Ryan and James Sawyer seem suspect)
I am going to reread the Talisman after I finish the Dark Tower series. Thanks for the post with the info! :)

I was thinking that the guardians guarded the BEAM and not actually the dark tower itself. Am I way way off base? On another note, I finished the DT series right before I began watching lost so the very opening scene seems to be a little deja vu to the final scene of the dark tower series. I'd quote from the dark tower but I always checked them out from the library so I don't have any of them except Song of Susannah.

I was thinking that the guardians guarded the BEAM and not actually the dark tower itself. Am I way way off base? On another note, I finished the DT series right before I began watching lost so the very opening scene seems to be a little deja vu to the final scene of the dark tower series. I'd quote from the dark tower but I always checked them out from the library so I don't have any of them except Song of Susannah.


I think the Guardians do guard the Beam....I'm feeling too lazy and tired to look it up, but the beam leads to the Dark Tower, so I think that means they are also guarding the Tower...right? I haven't finished the DT series yet, so I don't know what the final scene of the book is like, but that is interesting....hm, now I can ponder and cry since I haven't finished the series yet ;) lol

Wow, awesome, a thread tying two of my favorite universes together, that of LOST and of The Dark Tower!

I also haven't finished the Dark Tower series yet, last one I read was Wizard and Glass, and that was in high school! Now that the last 3 books have come out, I really need to get them and finish them off, but I probably won't have time until after I graduate this spring.

Cool thread guys! Man, I love this site... it makes the hiatus a little more bearable! No pun intended :laugh:

Hey there sickotriz, good to hear someone else out there loves the Dark Tower as much as the rest of us in this thread. I know what you mean by not having time to read the books, that is my problem as well, I'll probably have to wait til the end of this semester. And the site does help during the hiatus, have fun posting around the 'lage and welcome :)

We are all in the same boat-I read the first 3 books, and then I bought the rest except the 6th one, which they were out of in my local bookstore-this thread has made me want to dive in and finish them, I am almost done with another book I have been reading (Atlas Shrugged which is great fyi) but I am speedreading through it out of my desire to get back to the Dark Tower!

The Wolves of Calla is next for you? Oh, it is one of the best ones. You are gonna love it. Now get to the library or the book store or whereever you get your books and start reading. After all, it's forever til you get a new Lost episode. Be sure and read at least the first short story in Hearts of Atlantis before you read the very last one though.

BPort yay! Yes I am going to start Wolves of the Calla this weekend :) and I am thrilled that you say its the best one. I have Hearts of Atlantis, and read it awhile ago so tonight I am going to review the first story since you mention it.
One King book I really loved was Eyes of the Dragon-one of my favorite phrases King uses a lot is that the World Has Moved On. I just love that.

The Waste Lands is my favorite so far....but I'll have to see if Wolves beats it out....it's gonna be awhile before I can start reading again though.

The Wastelands is really good too. It's close, but I kind of like Wolves a little better. Susannah's song is a little slow at times but they are pullling all the threads together in that one so that they can be pretty action packed in that last one. It's awfully good too. But it wouldn't make any sense at all without Song of Susannah.

The Wastelands used to be my favorite too. But as I went back and reread the entire series, Wizard and Glass has really grown on me and appeals to me more as an adult (I started reading this books when I was 14). Wolves of Calla was a good read, but it seemed to have some convenient coincidences, and the introduction of completely new elements which have been back written into the revised edition of The Gunslinger. Calla seems a bit awkward as a "bridge" book from the first 4 books to the ending 2.

What a great series though, and I expect that over time the following for these books will grow in the way that Lord of the Rings did. I almost see these two series as mirrors of each other...Tolkien took the imagery and precepts of European myth and wove them into an epic story of a "mystical europe". King has done the same thing with The Darktower books...weaving a tapestry of american legend and myth into an epic tale of a "mystical america".

-h3dge

I just finished Wizard and Glass last night, it was an amazing story!! I really loved it.....especially the parallel to Wizard of Oz....how weird, only Stephen King :P But I still think Waste Lands is my favorite with Wizard and Glass a very close second....poor Susan :(

I just started Wolves of Calla today, I'm about 60 pages into it....it's very interesting, I like the whole twin thing going on, and how the priest from Salem's Lot is in it, I also enjoy how the book goes between our world and Mid-World. I pray that one day someone with talent (someone like Peter Jackson) makes these books into a film, and I think if it did it would reach more people and I think it actually surpasses LOTR with the story.

The problem is you have to let go of even more preconceptions than you do with LOTR.....the whole "moving on" concept would be difficult to describe in film. The way people act in all the books, especially Wizard and Glass, would be very unbelievable in film, but works fine in the books.

I think its about time I shell out the cash for the hardcovers of those books, but I was hoping for paperbacks (In college, so I have to save my $ as much as possible)

There are paperbacks out for the DT series, if thats what you wanted.....I own them all. They are the bigger books too, they're about 16-20 bucks a piece depending on the size.

didn't know that...all I've ever seen have been the hardcovers

I just finished rereading the Wastelands last night! I felt I had to make sure I was all up-to-date before starting book #4-I am going to start Wizard and Glass tonight--the Wastelands is just so good though. I still adore the first one in the series, and I am beside myself to find out what happens with insane Blaine. AND even more so, little Blaine. I went ahead and bought them all in hardback, because I just had to. It was pricey for sure but looking at this beautiful huge stack of great writing is such a good feeling. What a master. Did you all feel the same way I did when he got hit by that car? I was so horrified-not just for him of course, but because the Dark Tower wasn't finished yet! Can you imagine if we never had an ending? (Don't tell me what it is though :) ) I remember (awhile back now) I sent him a fan letter in college about the dark tower, and I got the nicest letter back from him (it was a form letter, but a really good one and I hear that everyone who writes him gets a specific form letter according to what story you wrote in about)--in the letter he asked me to send him any riddles I knew-he was writing the Wastelands at the time. Pretty cool. I love his afterwords to the "reader" as well.

I just finished rereading the Wastelands last night! I felt I had to make sure I was all up-to-date before starting book #4-I am going to start Wizard and Glass tonight--the Wastelands is just so good though.* I still adore the first one in the series, and I am beside myself to find out what happens with insane Blaine.* AND even more so, little Blaine.* I went ahead and bought them all in hardback, because I just had to.* It was pricey for sure but looking at this beautiful huge stack of great writing is such a good feeling. What a master.* Did you all feel the same way I did when he got hit by that car? I was so horrified-not just for him of course, but because the Dark Tower wasn't finished yet! Can you imagine if we never had an ending? (Don't tell me what it is though* :)* )* I remember (awhile back now) I sent him a fan letter in college about the dark tower, and I got the nicest letter back from him (it was a form letter, but a really good one and I hear that everyone who writes him gets a specific form letter according to what story you wrote in about)--in the letter he asked me to send him any riddles I knew-he was writing the Wastelands at the time.* Pretty cool. I love his afterwords to the "reader" as well.
* * *


That's awesome SK wrote to you and asked for riddles :laugh: I love SK I have for a long time, his stories are just amazing, but Dark Tower is definitely his best (The Stand is a very close second). I just can't even imagine where he comes up with this stuff.

I just started reading Wolves of Callala (I haven't finished the series yet either) but I"m telling you this book is GREAT so far! Wizard and Glass was a great read, it was a little awkward at first to get into his past....but once you do it is so good. But I still think Waste Lands is my favorite, but Wizard and Glass is my mom's favorite. Towards the end of the book it's really cool.....you'll see ;)

Hiya BStar :)
Yes I agree-I think the Stand is the best after the Dark Tower. It was very cool in the Wastelands, at the very end, when the "ageless stranger" mentioned an old friend who used to tell him -my life for you. That was the first mention, I think, that this is the world after the Stand. Soooooo cool. The other kind of quieter book of his that I loved was "Eyes of the Dragon" which sounds very much like Roland's time....I may have to reread that one as well!

Hey Wamsies :)

I actually don't think The Stand came before (like a timeline).....I think it simply is another when. I haven't finished the series so I can't be positive....but I think basically there are just different whens (worlds) of different possibilities, outcomes, etc to actions....It's kinda hard to explain but I do think Roland's world is a version of the world that came after our when, but it is just another when, instead of like a chronological timeline...if that makes sense.

I just loved all the action in the Waste Lands, and I love how things in our world are incorporated into Roland's world, like the books Jake took.....and I'm not going to spoil for you but Jake and Eddie return to the book store in Wolves of Callala....and it's pretty interesting what happens, and I think then you might understand what I'm talking about.

But enjoy Wizard and Glass and if you want to discuss any themes or parts of the book I'd love to!

A common theme of a lot of his work, that is tied together through dark tower, is Flagg, though....he's the bad guy in the stand, eyes, and the dark tower, but goes by a lot of different names at different times. I think its awesome how he ties in stuff. I remember reading the Tommyknockers and noticing it mentioned about a place that was "once burned to the ground by a little girl" and I thought that was so awesome that he just with one sentence drew from his other work, in this case, firestarter.

Flagg is a common theme, and I think he is just one version of pretty much "evil"....almost like Satan, that is what I have gathered anyway.

There is also a few references to "IT" in the Dark Tower, like the little Green Elves on the wallpaper in the mansion (in the Waste Lands) and the few references to the men with "Curly patches of Red Hair".....and I think later on in the book there is a reference to some machine that is known as Stuterring Bill

I'd love a cameo by Blaine the Mono :lol2: Locke would probably be able to solve the riddles :)

If he didn't kill it first. ;)

Flagg is a common theme, and I think he is just one version of pretty much "evil"....almost like Satan, that is what I have gathered anyway.*

There is also a few references to "IT" in the Dark Tower, like the little Green Elves on the wallpaper in the mansion (in the Waste Lands) and the few references to the men with "Curly patches of Red Hair".....and I think later on in the book there is a reference to some machine that is known as Stuterring Bill


Oh how neat--I didn't pick up on the reference to IT!!* I think you are right about the Stand being a different "When" as well, I love the little details like they have found Honda cars, but also Mishi cars or something we have never heard of, for example.* I love that in the Wolves of Calla they return to that bookstore as well.* While reading Wizard and Glass last night (I am right in the middle of the Susan Delgado tale) there was a mention to the purple grass that the gunslinger knew of in the first book-so I looked that up and it seems a direct correlation to what Jake saw in the one empty lot with the rose. I have a feeling we will be returning to that as well-am I right? :)
* *I just read the scene (Wizard and glass again) when the witch unlocks the floorboard box and gets out the rosy glass-it did make me think of the hatch and that Locke may have to just hit it or touch it in a certain way, like a chinese puzzle box, and then it might open.
* * As for Randall Flagg-he is one of the best characters.* He is also the ageless stranger right?* And from what I understand, he is a demon but not Satan. Agree?
* *:)

Ya its a while since I read wizard and glass, but I think that the heirarchy is Walter<RF<the "beast" whatever that is, but I don't know if they meet him/her/it in the later books cause I haven't got there yet

Ya its a while since I read wizard and glass, but I think that the heirarchy is Walter<RF<the "beast" whatever that is, but I don't know if they meet him/her/it in the later books cause I haven't got there yet


Think you are right Baner--I forgot about the "beast" that outranks all.......

I haven't come across a "beast" yet......but....

Walter, Randal Flagg, some other name with the initials RL, Ageless Stranger, and I think the Crimson King are all the same "demon".....I just like calling him Randal Flagg cause that's the coolest name out of them all, but they are all the same person basically.

I don't know if he is satan or not, it seems like he is written that way, like the epitomy of evil, but I really don't know to be honest.

I think they do return to the lot w/ the rose, I just haven't gotten there yet (if they do). I'm almost a quarter of the way through Wolves of Calla....what a place that is.

The witch is so creepy, and her freaking snake, gah!

Walter mentions his master, the "beast" in the Gunslinger over Palaver with Roland. Thats the only mention of the beast I have found so far....

Now I have always assumed that Walter is NOT Flagg, that Walter works for Flagg,- In the Gunslinger Walter tells roland he has to face the ageless stranger at the Tower-who is also known as Maerlyn. Then in the Wastelands Flagg tells the TicktocMan that he isn't THAT Maerlyn but doesn't mind being called that. So I could be wrong, but I think Maerlyn/Flagg/Darkman/ageless stranger are one and the same, but Walter is separate...

Hey Wamsies :)

I actually don't think The Stand came before (like a timeline).....I think it simply is another when.* I haven't finished the series so I can't be positive....but I think basically there are just different whens (worlds) of different possibilities, outcomes, etc to actions....It's kinda hard to explain but I do think Roland's world is a version of the world that came after our when, but it is just another when, instead of like a chronological timeline...if that makes sense.



If you'd like the link connecting important Stephen King "whens" it's here:* http://stephen-king.net/xrefs/timeline.asp
Here's an incomplete Dark Tower timeline (FYI - a book was published by a friend of King's to deal with that very subject, so a complete timeline will be hard (impossible?) to find:
http://www.thedarktower.net/timeline.php

You're right on with your statement about different whens.* Remember that time moves differently "since the world has moved on. "* *Also relevant in The Gunslinger is Jake's haunting message to Roland:* "Go then.* There are other worlds than these."

I also noticed the correlation of Lost to the Dark Tower books.* I have read them all (some multiple times) and there seem to be many parallels between the Lost world and Roland's worlds.* The beauty of the DT series is that, especially in the latter two books, there are ties to other King novels, characters and even to King himself.* *At SK's website, there is a list of books relating to the Dark Tower (click miscellany, then connections):* http://www.stephenking.com/DarkTower/flash_index.html#move

Lost writers have said they've been influenced by the Stand, but keep in mind that the Stand is very much connected to the King's magnum opus DT series.*

I've been wondering since the writer's admission of being influenced by the Stand, if Lost is dealing with a world destroyed by XXXX and our Losties are responsible for saving the human race on their little Garden of Eden island.* *Superflu, superstd's...could be anything.* *I've also wondered if the crash was caused by some type of (nuclear) explosion killing almost of the world population.*

Much to ponder....

Thanks Kimber for the links :) I have tried avoiding too many King sites as the DT series is one of the few things where I remain spolier free :) but I glanced at your links and they were cool and helpful.* I am already looking forward to the timeline book you refer to, that King's friend should be writing.

I like your theory, a la Lord of the Flies of a nuclear war raging past the boundaries of the island.* I don't think thats the case myself, I lean towards the govt experiment gone haywire kind of theory, but jeez-with LOST I will listen to all and any ideas :). ---I am the kind of person who watches Survivor and predicts a winner only to have that person get voted out next.* In other words, I am clueless :) :) but I love it all!!* :lol2:

Wamsies I am almost positive Walter is also Flagg, I think it is mentioned later on in Wizard and Glass, or maybe during his afterword.....

Kimber, I have pondered similar things....I think it may have been earlier in this thread, or maybe in another Stephen King thread on here altogether.

Wamsies I am almost positive Walter is also Flagg, I think it is mentioned later on in Wizard and Glass, or maybe during his afterword.....


Yeah I have thought more about it, and I think you are right-I know you have great attention to detail as well!
The witch and the snake was NASTY WASTY. I can't wait to get home and find out what happens to Susan Delgado.....:)

I was under the impression that when Walter dies, he has dies for good, and we know that RF just reappears somewhere else

PS: bs4 I just realized your post count has become MASSIVE! When I first noticed the reference I dont think you had that many more than anyone else..

Guys,

In the forward of "Wolves of Calla" Stephen King writes:

"It's Roland's ancient nemesis, Marten Broadcloack, known in some worlds as Randall Flagg, in others as Richard Fannin, in others as John Farson. Rolan and his friends are unable to kill this apparition who warns them one final time to give up their quest for the Tower, but they are able to banish him."

Now isn't Marten, Walter?? If so, then it is also Flagg, and the other identities, such as the Ageless Stranger as well.


Baner--I'm not really sure when the last time you saw my post count was but it's steadily increased for the past couple of months lol

Locke as Roland you think? And that makes sense because Roland gets his followers killed seeking his tower just like Locke got Boone killed seeking the opening of the hatch Hasn't anyone but me finished them yet?

Oooo nice idea....that makes sense....but don't tell me how it ends!!! I haven't finished the book yet! :P

BPort thanks for using Spoiler text! I didn't read your comment, (I'm on book 4)-but BStar this goes with my reasoning-that Walter isn't Flagg. I think Flagg is the ageless stranger and also Marten, and Walter is a lesser 'demon' who used to work for him-he definitely seemed to die in the Gunlslinger-his bones turning to dust.
I ended up staying up past 2am last night, unable to put down Wizard and Glass, I need a caffeine drip into my arm today at work :)

But isn't Marten.....Walter.......I could swear Roland said that he realized they were the same person and I think Walter even talks about it. So if it is the same person, which I am almost positive it is, then it is Flagg.

Hasn't anyone but me finished them yet?


I finished them over the last summer, my husband called me a Dark Tower Nerd for months... and then Lost started, so now I am known in our house as "The Lost Nerd." Which makes me feel a little like there are "lost pet" signs out for me!! ;)

I can see it now, "Lost: Slightly chubby brown haired dog. Getting a little gray around the edges but we love her. Answers to the name Bport."
I think we can cast Walt as Patrick. We'll find that he discovers a talent for drawing to focus his ability to bring his thoughts to life. Or not.

I can see it now, "Lost:* Slightly chubby brown haired dog.* Getting a little gray around the edges but we love her.* Answers to the name Bport."*
I think we can cast Walt as Patrick.* We'll find that he discovers a talent for drawing to focus his ability to bring his thoughts to life.* Or not.


Perfect casting!! Is Locke the Crimson King then?

Thanks Kimber for the links :) I have tried avoiding too many King sites as the DT series is one of the few things where I remain spolier free :) but I glanced at your links and they were cool and helpful.* I am already looking forward to the timeline book you refer to, that King's friend should be writing.



There are two volumes dealing with time and geography. Here's the link, but both books sport a spoiler warning, so read descriptions at your own risk:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Robin%20Furth/104-7079691-2480710

Hasn't anyone but me finished them yet?


(raises hand) OOOO! OOOO! Pick me! I have!

I thought Locke as Roland since he sacrifices his followers along the way. I'm kind of thinking one the Others or maybe Danielle herself as the Crimson King. Not that I don't like her and all but she did kill all the folks in her "castle".

In the final book, Flagg reveals himself to Mordred as Walter - but NOT the Crimson King. "It" is my second favorite SK book. Pennywise, the Giant Spider (LOTR, TDT(Mordred) reveals himself, but as King himself revealed in the Coda to The Dark Tower, it became apparent to him that he had been writing about Roland all along when he wrote "Insomnia," where The Crimson King puts in his first appearance. By the way, Richard Addams, who wrote "Watership Down" and "Shardik" wrote an absolutely beautiful fantasy book, which is out of print but can be found in used book stores and some libraries, called "Maia." I highly recommend it. She comes from Bekla, the land south of Shardik's land. Read Browning's "Roland to the Dark Tower Came"; Madison Cavein, "Wasteland"; Thomas Mallory's "Le Morte D'Arthur"; Paul Verlaine's "Parsifal"; T.S.Eliot's "The Waste Land," T.H. White's "The Once and Future King," W.B. Yeats' "The Second Coming"; and watch Terry Gilliam's "The Fisher King." And pick up a deck of Tarot cards or read Jung.

More later.

BB,

Vilya

That's quite the list....T.S.Elliot's Waste Lands reminded me a lot of King's when I read it...It was the one poem I've really been able to pick apart well and analyze.

also is the terry Gilliam you mention the monty python terry gilliam? Because he's cool

Jung is also a really good suggestion

Man I can't wait to get to the end of this book....but at the same time I will be sad it's over.

I'm almost half way through Wolves of Calla.

Is Song of Susannah good? My mom is reading it and last time I talked to her she said she kinda was having trouble getting into it.

Man I can't wait to get to the end of this book....but at the same time I will be sad it's over.

I'm almost half way through Wolves of Calla.

Is Song of Susannah good? My mom is reading it and last time I talked to her she said she kinda was having trouble getting into it.


For me, the series peaked with The Drawing of the Three and The Wastelands. The rest of the series was much more difficult to comprehend - I didn't just feel as involved in them, and felt some notions were even more bizarre than King normally writes. That did not, however, keep me from reading every single delicious word....

The Waste Lands has been my favorite book....there was just so much cool stuff going on.

Lots of dialogue in Song of Susannah, I don't remember much action. So it depends on what you like. I was ready for some explanation of how things were going to tie together by then..

I like dialogue because it breaks of the eversolong paragraphs....but I like explanation....when he ties in all the things that have been going on, I love that.

baner17: Indeed Terry Gilliam is that of "Python." He's a great director, with an incredible vision, and a lot of bad luck. He's directed "...Holy Grail" (co-directed with Terry Jones), "Jabberwocky," the opening scene of "The Meaning of Life," "Time Bandits," the BRILLIANT "Brazil," the also-brilliant "The Fisher King," "Twelve Monkeys," "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," and tried to make a film of "Don Quixote," with Johnny Depp as a time-traveler that Quixote mistakes for Sancho Panza. (Not the Harry "Snapper" Organs variety.) Everything that could possibly go wrong with the production did. Weather destroyed the sets, the actor playing Don Quixote got sick, and the studio pulled out the funding. Luckily a documentary crew was there to capture the whole debacle, and there is a documentary called "Lost in La Mancha." But Terry just giggles his way through everything. I recommend his entire cannon, especially "Brazil."

BB,

Vilya

not sure if you'd call this a "nod", but in the Greater Good epi when Sayid is being led though Heathrow as he turns the corner down the corridor to the room where he meets the cia people, as the camera following him,the camers stops and he keeps going. I wondered what the heck that was all about because if you look to the left there's a large sign in green and the only thing you can read on it ,as the camera holds for about 3 secs, is what spells out "Waydon" I googled Waydon and got the Dark Tower reference.

Di

"Waydon"? I don't recall anything about "Waydon" in the Dark Tower...well I haven't read the last 2 books yet. What did it say about Waydon, I googled it and got nothing....

wow, how did i not find this thread until now?!?! stephen king is one of my favorite authors, and 'the dark tower' series is BY FAR my all time favorite books. i read the first 4 books 4 times each, WofC twice, and the last 2 once (reason being i started the series when WaG first came out, and then kept starting the series over each time a new book came out). i bought book 7 the day it came out and had it finished in a week! lol. for all you that haven't read alot of king's other works, i recommend (specifically for 'dark tower' correllations): insomnia, the talisman, eyes of the dragon, hearts in atlantis, salem's lot, and the stand. those are the books that relate most directly to 'the dark tower.'

for me, wizard and glass was my favorite, w/ the drawing of the three and the wastelands close behind. i thought song of susannah was good, but it just seemed to me that king was focused more on tieing references together and bringing the series to a close, than the great storytelling that (i thought) was more apparent in the first 4 or 5 books. book 7 was great though. and for all you that haven't finished the series yet, i certainly won't spoil anything, but i'm just gonna say about the ending- WOW. NOT what i expected!

ok, to tie the dark tower into lost, i agree w/ those who equate roland to locke, for the reasons mentioned in the spoiler texts, as well as something else (not sure if this was mentioned or not)- on lost, charlie is addicted to heroin, and locke is the one that gets him off it. in 'the drawing of the three,' eddie is addicted to heroin, and roland gets him off it. also, locke seems to be the one character who is 'on a quest' to find something, similar to roland's quest for the dark tower. roland is smart, noble, driven by events in his past (susan, his mother, hax, etc) and not above using/hurting others to achieve his goal. similar to locke.


i'd love to discuss the books more, so let's keep this thead going!!! also, i would love to hear everyone's reactions to the books as you finish them (since it seems a bunch of you are in the process...)

Welcome to the 'Lage Verbal_Kint (I see you're rather new).

Nice reference between Eddie and Charlie, I didn't even think of the heroin correlation! Roland and Locke are rather similar, since like you said, Roland loves those around him but is willing to "sacrifice" them for his goal and it seems Locke is the same way (even though neither want their friends to die, they believe it is for the greater good of everything else).

I just finished Wolves of Calla about a week or two ago. I haven't had time to start Song of Susannah yet because I've been studying for finals ::) Anyway, my mom said she didn't care for that one too much but she said it picks up towards the end. Wolves of Calla was really great, I loved how Callahan from Salems Lot was in it and then the whole twin storyline was really cool too. My personal favorite though is probably The Waste Lands, I really loved all the mysteries and how Jake was trying to get back into Roland's world, and I thought all the adventures in that story were really neat (Shardik, Blane the Mono, The City of Lud, etc.). One thing I love about the series though is how King incorporates common things in our world and they also are of significance in his world - they're all connected essentially. I really loved the whole Wizard of Oz parallel in the end of Wizard and Glass as well.

I can't wait to finish the series to see how it ends, but at the same time I'll be sad when I'm done reading it :(

Another good book to read that has some parallels to Dark Tower is "It"...the whole "Turtle" references, and then there was a few references to different men Roland has encountered that seem to look like Pennywise, and then of course the Elvish wallpaper in the Demon Mansion in The Waste Lands....and I heard there is a "Stuttering Bill" monkey (?) in one of the last Dark Tower books.

"Waydon"?* I don't recall anything about "Waydon" in the Dark Tower...well I haven't read the last 2 books yet.* What did it say about Waydon, I googled it and got nothing....


I got it at Darktower.net. here: http://www.thedarktower.net/characters/Gray_Dick

Di

I've read them all and didn't catch Waydon.* Nice catch!

There are a lot of "ways" in DT.* Way (Weigh) stations, subways, characters....(Miss Hathaway)

Lost....someone has lost their way....

Correlations (I apologize if these have been noted before.....just a quick post before we go to Chuck E Cheese for mother's day....not enough time to read through this post....woopie!)

bear/shardik
Walt/Jake
Jake becomes a gunslinger at the hand of Roland, Walt is becomming a knifeslinger at the hand of Locke
Charlie/Eddie/heroin (already noted)
Locke/Odetta/Detta/Suzanna:* "Lost" legs in "pushing" accident (pushing also used for drugs), if you haven't read SoS through the end regains the use of legs as Mia, loses them again when Mia is gone,
Claire/Baby Spooky/Mia SoS-DT spoiler Mordred son of Roland

I've been thinking a lot about time things....how time is not the same since the World Moved On.* I have a feeling Lost time is funky too.
Remember that Roland is on a quest, and he will sacrifice anyone/anything to get there.* Is Locke on a similar quest?

I'm sure there are more, but my boys are yelling MOM!* LET'S GO, lol!

Will check back later....HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL YOU WONDERFUL MOMS AT THE LAGE!!!

ps DotT is my fave....that one hooked me for good. Lobstrocities? Oh my....

I got it at Darktower.net. here: http://www.thedarktower.net/characters/Gray_Dick

Di


Ah yes, Gray Dick....I never caught the "Waydon" though, good eyes!

thanks for the welcome, burningstar! yes, i'm relatively new here, at least w/ posting. i've been lurking since around 'walkabout' or so, but never bothered to register until recently.

and shame on me for forgetting about the references in 'it.' it's been quite awhile since i read that book (and is one of the few king books i don't own, so...).

hey kimberwing, nice catch on the tie-in of claire's baby w/ what you had in the spoiler text. never thought of that, but i'm strongly of the opinion that turnip head will turn out to be no ordinary child, and may unfortunately go the way of the SoS/DT reference you made. let's hope not though! lol


a belated happy mother's day to all you moms!!!

thanks for the welcome, burningstar! yes, i'm relatively new here, at least w/ posting. i've been lurking since around 'walkabout' or so, but never bothered to register until recently.

and shame on me for forgetting about the references in 'it.' it's been quite awhile since i read that book (and is one of the few king books i don't own, so...).

hey kimberwing, nice catch on the tie-in of claire's baby w/ what you had in the spoiler text. never thought of that, but i'm strongly of the opinion that turnip head will turn out to be no ordinary child, and may unfortunately go the way of the SoS/DT reference you made. let's hope not though! lol


a belated happy mother's day to all you moms!!!


Well it's about time you joined the rest of us fanatics!

There's also a few threads around here comparing Lost with The Stand.

I really think Shardik reminds me of the monster in so many ways. I haven't read SoS yet, and I refuse to look at the spoiler....so I can't theorize with you guys about that one having to do with the baby. The baby is Damien though (from the "Omen") I know it :P

yeah, i'm a bit on the shy side, which is pretty rediculous since this is the internet. lol. but i'm here now and hopefully i'll post a bit more than i have since i signed up. and i suppose i will, after having found this thread and now finding out there's a stand-related thread. wheeeeeeee! :D

i can definitely see the correlation between shardik and the monster. it'll be interesting to find out just what the monster is... in season 3 at the rate we're going. lol

i doubt this is the case, but what happens if they get into the hatch and its a passageway to a place similar to the city of Lud from the wastelands? hmmm...

well burningstar, i certainly won't give away any spoilers concerning the books, but i do agree w/ you that the baby is gonna be bad news... not sure if it'll be evil, or like damien or anything like that, but something along those lines... then again, maybe turnip head will turn out to be a jesus-like messiah or something and we're just all being setup to think the opposite? man i love this show...

yeah, i'm a bit on the shy side, which is pretty rediculous since this is the internet.* lol.* but i'm here now and hopefully i'll post a bit more than i have since i signed up.* and i suppose i will, after having found this thread and now finding out there's a stand-related thread.* wheeeeeeee!* :D

i can definitely see the correlation between shardik and the monster.* it'll be interesting to find out just what the monster is... in season 3 at the rate we're going.* lol

i doubt this is the case, but what happens if they get into the hatch and its a passageway to a place similar to the city of Lud from the wastelands?* hmmm...

well burningstar, i certainly won't give away any spoilers concerning the books, but i do agree w/ you that the baby is gonna be bad news... not sure if it'll be evil, or like damien or anything like that, but something along those lines...* then again, maybe turnip head will turn out to be a jesus-like messiah or something and we're just all being setup to think the opposite?* man i love this show...


:lol2: Any psychic that says a baby will be evil without it's mother is doomed :P

I was thinking maybe whatever is in the hatch would be a computer system (like the city of Lud)...that is definitely plausible.

I heard this spoiler about Lost:

That we will see about 2% of the "monster" at the end of this season. The writers said it would be equivalent to seeing it's toes, if it had toes.


Verbal, you should post in the "Chit Chat" and "Group Ship" threads, it's a lot of fun and an easy way to get to know a lot of us around here :)

thanks for the tip. i may just do that :D

btw, i see you're a 'gunslinger' of something (from your sig)- way awesome!

thanks for the tip. i may just do that :D

btw, i see you're a 'gunslinger' of something (from your sig)- way awesome!


Oh yea, I'm awesome with those guns ::) :P

It's just my "Geek" nickname. There's a group ship here for people who think they're geeks of some caliber and they were going to name me Roland because I'm a huge DT fan. But I told them, well I'm a girl can I just be called "Gunslinger" instead, and they said okay. :angel:

hey kimberwing, nice catch on the tie-in of claire's baby w/ what you had in the spoiler text.* never thought of that, but i'm strongly of the opinion that turnip head will turn out to be no ordinary child, and may unfortunately go the way of the SoS/DT reference you made.* let's hope not though!* lol

a belated happy mother's day to all you moms!!!


Thanks for the mother's day wish....us mom's need all the pats on the back we can get! So....kiss your mom today.

Turnip head/Baby Spooky of Spooky Isle
Hopefully that won't parallel with Lost....SK just about lost a reader with the whole Baby M thing....

yeah, i'm a bit on the shy side, which is pretty rediculous since this is the internet.* lol.* but i'm here now and hopefully i'll post a bit more than i have since i signed up.* and i suppose i will, after having found this thread and now finding out there's a stand-related thread.* wheeeeeeee!* :D

i doubt this is the case, but what happens if they get into the hatch and its a passageway to a place similar to the city of Lud from the wastelands?* hmmm...



See...you've already gotten over your "shy side." Now onto your "quite intelligent ever-so witty and slightly sarcastic side!"

Tonight's preview for Exodus Part 1 showed:

Danielle coming to see the survivors and warn them the "others" are coming and there are only 3 things they can do, run, hide or die.

When that happened, I immediately thought about the Wolves from Wolves of Calla.....maybe "the others" (and I've toyed around with this theory for awhile) are robotic, or are genetically modified superhumans that the government has been testing for war purposes on the island. Dark Tower Spoilers for Wolves of Calla: The Wolves were robots, which came to take one twin from each set of twins because their brains had this special thing in it that helped the vampires, I think it was the vampires anyway.

Hey fellow DT fans :)
*Burningstar I finished Wizard and Glass last weekend (the wiz of OZ aspect was too neat) and went right to Wolves of the Calla. *SOOO good. *Roland just mentioned the horses are all grey for the second time so I am wracking my brain, wondering what he is thinking. *Just like LOST! *You never know and its all important. I finally wrapped my brain around the time configurum as well, and know what you mean by different "whens" as opposed to times. No idea what the #19 is all about, just like our LOST numbers, can't wait to find out....

:)

Hey fellow DT fans :)
*Burningstar I finished Wizard and Glass last weekend (the wiz of OZ aspect was too neat) and went right to Wolves of the Calla. *SOOO good. *Roland just mentioned the horses are all grey for the second time so I am wracking my brain, wondering what he is thinking. *Just like LOST! *You never know and its all important. I finally wrapped my brain around the time configurum as well, and know what you mean by different "whens" as opposed to times. No idea what the #19 is all about, just like our LOST numbers, can't wait to find out....

:)


You will LOVE Wolves of Calla, one of my favorites in the series!! I can't wait until you read the end of the book, it's amazing what happens!

And I *think* you find out the meaning of 19, but I'm not positive.....you'll at least get a pretty good idea about it.

going to sign off and get right back to it now :). So very excited for the ending now!!

enjoy it, wamsies! let us know what you think when you're done...

and nifty idea about the 'others,' burningstar. doesn't sound that far-fetched at all.

Tonight's preview for Exodus Part 1 showed:

Danielle coming to see the survivors and warn them the "others" are coming and there are only 3 things they can do, run, hide or die.

When that happened, I immediately thought about the Wolves from Wolves of Calla.....maybe "the others" (and I've toyed around with this theory for awhile) are robotic, or are genetically modified superhumans that the government has been testing for war purposes on the island.*

Yes yes....I agree. There are lots of "Singularity" threads going on. The name "Ethan Rom" should be a dead (errr sorry) giveaway...

So......if they are robotic, who are the Sisters or Oriza in Lost?

Yes yes....I agree.* There are lots of "Singularity" threads going on.* The name "Ethan Rom" should be a dead (errr sorry) giveaway...

So......if they are robotic, who are the Sisters or Oriza in Lost?


I'm a little confused, it might be because I'm overly tired....but does "Ethan Rom" have some connection to the Dark Tower??

Anyway....the Sisters of Oriza? Hm....maybe our cast will become them....? They are the ones that threw the dishes right?

I'm a little confused, it might be because I'm overly tired....but does "Ethan Rom" have some connection to the Dark Tower??

Anyway....the Sisters of Oriza? Hm....maybe our cast will become them....?* They are the ones that threw the dishes right?


yes, they are. they were about 5-10 women (don't remember the exact #, if it was mentioned) of the Calla who followed in the footsteps of lady oriza, who killed gray dick with a dish out of revenge for her father.

yes, they are.* they were about 5-10 women (don't remember the exact #, if it was mentioned) of the Calla who followed in the footsteps of lady oriza, who killed gray dick with a dish out of revenge for her father.


Ah yes that's right....well I'm sure it could just be the survivors who could be seen as that type of role. I don't know though.

not knocking your theory.* i like it.* just helping you w/ the ladies of oriza question :)*

btw, has anyone come up w/ any similarities between jake and walt?* or jake and boone?* walt b/c he's the kid, and has 'special powers' like jake does?* *or boone b/c he's the 'sacrificed' one.* *like jake kinda was?* i know its's a stretch.* just looking for some feedback here....* not sure if these connections have already been made...

not knocking your theory.* i like it.* just helping you w/ the ladies of oriza question :)*

btw, has anyone come up w/ any similarities between jake and walt?* or jake and boone?* walt b/c he's the kid, and has 'special powers' like jake does?* *or boone b/c he's the 'sacrificed' one.* *like jake kinda was?* i know its's a stretch.* just looking for some feedback here....* not sure if these connections have already been made...


Great connections! I actually never even thought of it. But you're right, Jake has "the touch" like Walt seems to....and he could be compared to Boone as well as far as the sacrifice goes (especially with Locke paralleling Roland). Nice thoughts!

I'm a little confused, it might be because I'm overly tired....but does "Ethan Rom" have some connection to the Dark Tower??



Nope, you're not tired. No connection that I remember. We were talking about Wolves and the robots....I just made the not human connection - ROM being a computer term and all

Don't forget Danny Torrence.....he had the shine. As did just about every character who didn't get killed off in the Stand....

Nope, you're not tired.* No connection that I remember.* We were talking about Wolves and the robots....I just made the not human connection - ROM being a computer term and all


Oh yea, DUH! I never put two and two together that ROM is also a computer term. Hmmmm....

Boone would be Eddie not Jake, don't you think? Because Eddie was kind of a big kid in a grownup body, like Boone.. Walt could be Jake both because of the touch and because he can't quite figure out whether to trust Locke or not. IF- Locke is the Roland instead of Jack as Roland.

I rather think that Boone is a side character, like King's use of Father Callahan. I see Charlie as Eddie.

Boone would be Eddie not Jake, don't you think? Because Eddie was kind of a big kid in a grownup body, like Boone.. Walt could be Jake both because of the touch and because he can't quite figure out whether to trust Locke or not. IF- Locke is the Roland instead of Jack as Roland.

Locke would definitely be Roland, fighter, hunter, mentor, teacher. Jack is not worthy of that position. Maybe that of billy-bumbler, though......... ;)

Locke would definitely be Roland, fighter, hunter, mentor, teacher. Jack is not worthy of that position. Maybe that of billy-bumbler, though......... ;)


Oy! I was thinking of the bumbler and wondering if Vincent is Lost's Oy.

I'm not sure what book I was reading.....one of the first of the DT series. I came thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis close to sending a letter to SK saying he could knock off any character he wanted but DON'T MESS WITH THE BUMBLER! I've always loved Oy the best....no one said that one must be human to be Ka-Tet....