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So this shows that we were watching Dez in 1995. Wasn't that flashback with Mr. Widmore in 1994? The one that showed what happened to Dez when the hatch blew? I thought it was 1994. Wouldn't the timeline not match? Was it 1996?

WHERE exactly in Scotland can one grow wine grapes? Especially red-wine grapes like Cabernet Sauvignon? Or did the monks just import the grapes and bottle the wine? Aren't wineries always close to the vineyards? Isn't this show written by Californians?



Couldn't they have just had the monks producing fruitcakes? Desmond still could have gotten drunk on the brandy in the pantry.

how about an answer to the date question?

CT, oneof the more literate Lost folks will provide you with a definitive answer I am sure. But I don't think the flashback with Mr. Widmore was 1994 because shortly after his meeting with Widmore Des broke up with Penny and then trained and left for the boat race. The boat race took place in 2001.

i would have to agree with bakerboys. since desmond crash landed on the island 3 years before the losties arrived, then the boat race would have been held in 2001. now..i'm not sure how much time passed between des breaking up with penny and training for the boat race. but we can at least surmise that desmond met penny sometime in 1995-1996 (since we dont know for sure how long he was actually in the abbey before being fired).

im not sure where you got the date 1994 from.

But I don't think the flashback with Mr. Widmore was 1994 because shortly after his meeting with Widmore Des broke up with Penny and then trained and left for the boat race. The boat race took place in 2001.

Obviously. THAT is why I questioned the continuity when seeing 1995. I had wrongly recalled the Widmore flashback taking place in 1994. Hence this post. It was not the event order that was in question. That is beyond obvious.

im not sure where you got the date 1994 from.

I had to do some research to answer it for myself. In Flashed Before Your Eyes Dez was back in 1996 or so. Without researching my mind was telling me 1994. IF this were the case that would have skewed the timeline. This is not the case. FBYEye's was indeed after this Monk storyline. That is good news because this is the way it should be. Continuity wise at least.

FBYEyes was set in late 1995 or beyond because Charlie sang Wonderwall which was released in late 1995. That is where the date comes from. So all is fine in the timeline. Carry on.

According to the timeline presented by Lostpedia, Desmond met Widmore and asked for a job in his company in late 1996. So it was about one year after he met Penny.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline

Good point, LostMyMarbles. However, the phenomenon of monks growing, bottling and selling wine is by no means uncommon in Britain, most famously at Buckfast Abbey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine). I presume they were alluding obliquely to this. But you're right, Cabernet Sauvignon is a bit of stretch.

Good point, LostMyMarbles. However, the phenomenon of monks growing, bottling and selling wine is by no means uncommon in Britain, most famously at Buckfast Abbey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine). I presume they were alluding obliquely to this. But you're right, Cabernet Sauvignon is a bit of stretch.

Thanks, Dublin Dilettante! That was fascinating.

I can't resist pointing out that Devon isn't Scotland--entirely different climate--but I'm ready to let it rest. (I COULD spin a wild theory about time-looping Desmond making Cabernet in post-global-warming Scotland, but I'll lie down until the feeling passes.)

It would have made a lot more sense if it was whisky they were producing.
Would a monastry do that though?

WHERE exactly in Scotland can one grow wine grapes? Especially red-wine grapes like Cabernet Sauvignon? Or did the monks just import the grapes and bottle the wine? .

Maybe they imported the grapes from ...
<cue spooky music>
Portugal!

Did anyone else notice that the label says "a limited production of 500 bottles" , but the monk dude says "we only produced 108 cases this year". 108 cases would be 1296 bottles.

I found a winery in Scotland that is located on an island off of the Mull of Kintyre, which isn't too far away from Carlisle... The only thing is - they don't make grape wines! Just wines made from berries. :rolleyes:

Cairn O'Mohr Winery (http://www.cairnomohr.co.uk/)

Yeah wine is not really something Scotland is known for.

But I'll tell you this. I live in Virginia, surrounded by wineries, but the stuff they make is usually so horrible it's not worth it.

It's not impossible to grow wine grapes in climates like Scotland, just more difficult. While the grape counts, the soil and its properties are usually just as important - hence why Virginia wine is so notoriously bad - too much clay in the soil.

I mean, really, it's a bit of a continuity error and all, the wine coming from Scotland, but I think it's just one of those things we need to accept.

According to the timeline presented by Lostpedia, Desmond met Widmore and asked for a job in his company in late 1996. So it was about one year after he met Penny.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline
In the "official" podcast Damon/Carlton said that FBYE took place in 1996. But when Desmond was talking to Widmore, he said that he and Penny had been together for two years. So something is off. Either the wine labels should have said 1994 or else Damon/Carlton were wrong about FBYE and they should have said it took place in 1997.

Did anyone else notice that the label says "a limited production of 500 bottles" , but the monk dude says "we only produced 108 cases this year". 108 cases would be 1296 bottles.
Yes! I noticed that too, but I don't know anything about wine, so I figured perhaps "case" was being used loosing to mean "wooden container we box-up more than one bottle in." Still that would make for an uneven number. Of course, with Des downing a few in the kitchen, maybe the numbers would then divide evenly. :D

In the "official" podcast Damon/Carlton said that FBYE took place in 1996. But when Desmond was talking to Widmore, he said that he and Penny had been together for two years. So something is off. Either the wine labels should have said 1994 or else Damon/Carlton were wrong about FBYE and they should have said it took place in 1997.
I took this to be another loosely used term. Maybe they are at 18 months and he's just rounding up, making it sound a little better/longer than it actually was? People do that all the time.

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So this shows that we were watching Dez in 1995. Wasn't that flashback with Mr. Widmore in 1994? The one that showed what happened to Dez when the hatch blew? I thought it was 1994. Wouldn't the timeline not match? Was it 1996?

In the "official" podcast Damon/Carlton said that FBYE took place in 1996. But when Desmond was talking to Widmore, he said that he and Penny had been together for two years. So something is off. Either the wine labels should have said 1994 or else Damon/Carlton were wrong about FBYE and they should have said it took place in 1997.

Not to get all prickly and technical, but showing Desmond putting a label on a bottle doesn't prove a year, it only proves that he put the label bearing that year on the bottle.

Wines, especially vintage red wines, are generally barrel aged somewhere between one and four years after they're made. Assuming the monastary produced vintage wine -- a reasonable assumption based on the fact that the label has a vintage (1995) (which was an outstanding year for California Northern Coast Cabs http://winegeeks.com/vintage_charts/california_north_coast_cabernet_sauvignon) -- then Desmond could have been placing that label on that bottle as early as 1996 or as late as 1999.

How does this affect the timeline? I dunno. But I do know that it makes me want to crack a bottle of any 1997 cab -- a "classic" year -- and ponder this and other mysteries as the sun goes down.

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So this shows that we were watching Dez in 1995. Wasn't that flashback with Mr. Widmore in 1994? The one that showed what happened to Dez when the hatch blew? I thought it was 1994. Wouldn't the timeline not match? Was it 1996?No, that was said to be 1995/6 so he seems to have gone from monk to asking for Penny's hand in marriage. But in FBYE, he told daddy W that he and Penny had been together 2 years. Not possible. Either there was a BIG mistake in the time line or we really can't use Desmond's traveling back to London as a gauge since he kind of messed things up by doing that (even though the outcome remained the same).

PS: And for what it's worth ... there are no wineries in Scotland. Too cold.

ETA: I found a winery in Scotland that is located on an island off of the Mull of Kintyre, which isn't too far away from Carlisle... The only thing is - they don't make grape wines! Just wines made from berries. :rolleyes:

Cairn O'Mohr Winery (http://www.cairnomohr.co.uk/)

Then it must be from berries and not grapes. Still a writer's goof it looks like. :frown:

(which was an outstanding year for California Northern Coast Cabs http://winegeeks.com/vintage_charts/california_north_coast_cabernet_sauvignon) --

Yes it was - I went to the Silver Oak Release party for their 1995 Cabernet, this was in 2000 or 2001. Can't remember for sure, I had quite a few 'tastes' that day.

Yes it was - I went to the Silver Oak Release party for their 1995 Cabernet, this was in 2000 or 2001. Can't remember for sure, I had quite a few 'tastes' that day.

Ooooh, Silver Oak. Another tasty grape juice. :biggrin:

wasn't Des in the military and prison also befor the boat race?

wasn't Des in the military and prison also befor the boat race?Per LTDA, yes he was.

British wine is terrible and there's no way someone as rich as Penny Widmore would go to Scotland of all places to buy wine.

I took the "limited production of 500" to mean that only 500 of that particular blend was made. The rest could be of others blends.

You know ones with corks and the rest with screw caps. ;)

Not to get all prickly and technical, but showing Desmond putting a label on a bottle doesn't prove a year, it only proves that he put the label bearing that year on the bottle.

Wines, especially vintage red wines, are generally barrel aged somewhere between one and four years after they're made. Assuming the monastary produced vintage wine -- a reasonable assumption based on the fact that the label has a vintage (1995) (which was an outstanding year for California Northern Coast Cabs http://winegeeks.com/vintage_charts/california_north_coast_cabernet_sauvignon) -- then Desmond could have been placing that label on that bottle as early as 1996 or as late as 1999.

How does this affect the timeline? I dunno. But I do know that it makes me want to crack a bottle of any 1997 cab -- a "classic" year -- and ponder this and other mysteries as the sun goes down.


I was waiting for someone to educate the masses. Maybe tonight I'll crack a Snowden and ponder all of the above with lost. And look, Snowden makes a Lost Vineyard Cab! What better wine to drink with this show.

www.snowdenvineyards.com (http://www.snowdenvineyards.com)

J

One more thing to consider is that the date on a wine bottle is the year the grapes were grown and not the year they were bottled. Some wines can be aged for 10 years before they are bottled.

One more thing to consider is that the date on a wine bottle is the year the grapes were grown and not the year they were bottled. Some wines can be aged for 10 years before they are bottled.But the date is a future date. That's the problem. According to the time line for Desmond and Penny ... he'd have to have been in the monastery in 1994. Can't put the next year's date on it if they aged for 10 years. That would have made the label 1984/85.