Take the numbers

4* 8* 15* *16* 23* 42

Add the together you get 108

add them together one by one even double digets -- you get 36

and them not allowing double digets you get 9

add 108* *1 +0+8* *you get 9

add 36* 3 +6* you get 9

the last way you already have 9

What is the significance on the number 9 ---

upside dow you get a 6* ----???



ALSO -- the episode was 117 minutes --- 1+1+7 = 9

the time limit is 180 seconds 1+8+0 = 9

ARE they messing with our heads here???
Help not a math wiz here !!!

OR

take the first 5 numbers you get 66
the last bonus number you get 6

666
Thoughts anyone

I must admit, that as pointless as it probably is -- the numbers are driving me INSANE... :-[

I have a theory that it has something to do with the number 8, and here goes:

The Numbers are: 4-8-15-16-23-42

-- If you add all the numbers together the total is 108.
-- If you take the difference between each number and the next number (diff. between 4 & 8 is 4, diff. between 8 & 15 is 7, ect...) you get 4-7-1-7-19, which added together the total is 38.
-- Weren't there 48 survivors on the plane crash? (Before anyone kicked it after the crash)

Here are a few things we already "know" -- or at least we "think" we know...

-- The flight was Oceanic 815.
-- If they crashed after Rousseau's message had been playing for 16 years, and they crashed in 2004 -- wouldn't Rousseau have been there since and changed the signal in 1988?
--There will be 24 episodes this first season, which is pretty unusual, and 24 is divisible by 8.

It may be absolutely nothing. BUT the coincidences with the number 8 at least for the moment is freaking me out.

I have a few questions. How many people were there on the flight originally? Does anyone know the flight scheduled times? How long had they been in the air when the plane crashed?

They had to have been in the air for awhile, because they started in Australia and ended up in the middle of the south Pacific. The pilots had time to fly north east, then turn around, get one thousand miles off course, and finally, crash. A standard flight from australia to the U.S is like 22 hours, right? So they were probably in the air for around eleven, maybe more.

I posted this in the Episode section but here goes again.

By playing a bit with the numbers I got:
Latitude: 4° 8 Min.15 Sec.
Longitude: -162° 3 Min. 42 Sec.


Which is pretty much dead center between Australia and the US. Check out the map:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/stat115/map.gif
(Using just 162 West the location gets closer to Papua New Guinea but is still in the Pacific)

A direct flight from Sydney to the U.S. takes roughly 14 hours according to Google.

Cool, Sharpnfuzzy -- I tried playing around with longitude and latitude and didn't get anywhere, I didn't think of breaking it down like that.

I posted this in the Episode section but here goes again.

By playing a bit with the numbers I got:
Latitude: 4° 8 Min.15 Sec.
Longitude: -162° 3 Min. 42 Sec.* *


Which is pretty much dead center between Australia and the US. Check out the map:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/stat115/map.gif
(Using just 162 West the location gets closer to Papua New Guinea but is still in the Pacific)


Where is Hawaii in relation to that? Or Guam?

I'm thinking of US military bases.....

Where is Hawaii in relation to that? Or Guam?

I'm thinking of US military bases.....


Well Hawaii is that tiny spec to the Northeast of the star.

ALSO -- the episode was 117 minutes --- 1+1+7 = 9



Eh? Which episode? Numbers was certainly nowhere near 117 minutes. It was just over 42 minutes long.


What you might want to freak out about is that Numbers was episode 18. 1+8=9!

MY BAD -- was thrown by the whole 180 second rule and the screaming children in the background :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:




Numbers Air Date: 03/02/2005 63 minutes EP: 117 From the threading board --

Notice 63 minutes --- = 9 and

as partyman stated ep 117 = 9

Here's something to mess with your head a little:

"A stitch in time saves nine."

Meaning that it is better to spend a little time dealing with problems or act right now than wait. If you wait until later, things will get worse, and it will take much longer to deal with them.

or

"'A Stitch in Time Saves Nine'" is a common American proverb. It means that if you have a rip in your clothes you will only have to stitch once unless you wait until it gets bigger, then you will have to stitch 9 more times. It also means that if you have a problem you should take care of it before it turns into a BIG problem."

I think just about all the survivors have let their minor issues turn into big problems.

So we're dealing with hesitation or procrastination.* *As we all know, "he who hesitates is LOST"

Here's what I wonder, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever to all the math whizzes here (I'm in awe of you all) -- could it really be that complicated and still end up on ABC?*

I'm trying to imagine them pitching this idea, "and see, if you add them up and divide by __ it equals ___ which in ancient Whatever Mythology means ___ and therefore ____ which is also a common proverb, and it was first spoken in ___ which if you divide that by ___ it equals the number of Lostaways."*

It just seems to me that whatever the numbers mean, it'll have to be something way more simple and easy to grasp, because I can't imagine that the Big Reveal will be someone standing at a chalk board doing all this complicated number crunching.* Not because it wouldn't be clever, but because we're talking about the network of Bachelor and SuperNanny here, and I just don't think they're that visionary.

Kato - I love your posts :lol2: :lol2:

But Number's made it on TV ---

And Maybe they added that as they went along -- OK doubt that but how weird is it that it all adds up to NINE

Care

:laugh:* I can't do math, Care, so I'm going with my strength -- random quibbling.* *:laugh:

I suppose they could have sneaked in the tricky math after they already had a contract, but I'm just picturing all these execs sitting there slackjawed... "wait, carry the one and add the number of survivors divided by the year.... whaaaaa?* We never had to think this hard about The Bachelor.* Hot tubs, women, and you're done."

For all the gifted math people -- what are the odds of any random series of six numbers adding up to nine?* Like say 5* 17* *53 32* 3* 26?

Well Kato -- your rambling if fun to read :lol2: :lol2:

And I must say since the ratings were horrible for the supposed America's Sweetheart Bachlorette - who again picked HERSELF -- I am glad the execs are finally moving away from casual sex with 25 people of the opposite sex -- to some actual brain food --


Anyway -- your numbers added up = 128 = added together = 11 = 2

Care

Aw thanks Care.* *:laugh:*

I am glad the execs are finally moving away from casual sex with 25 people of the opposite sex -- to some actual brain food --

Ain't that the truth, I really hope that next year other networks copy this idea like crazy, the way they did reality tv.* Of course, if there's a brain-twister show like this on every night my head will probably explode.

I chose those numbers totally at random, and they could be reduced to 9?* Somebody else try one -- see if that was a fluke!

Well Kato ---

Adding them together i get 2
adding them together not allowing double digits i get 1

So -- try another set of numbers ---

So far I am still thinking 9 means something --

Esp since it gets to nine every way

Care

Okay, once again randomly chosen --* 6* *39* 12* *28* *27* *13

Kato -- here is something ODD


Both ways to total that number end with a total of 8 -- will recheck the other to see if they end the same????

Are you starting to believe they picked these numbers for a reason????

Care

Care, my pertinent math skills are pretty much limited to picking random numbers.* *:laugh:* *And since I've never won the lottery, I'm not even good at that.

:lol2: :lol2: Kato -- if we all went on winning the lotto to determine math skills --- NO ONE would have math skills --
I am however tempted to play your numbers :lol2: :lol2:

Don't do it, Care!* Don't do it!* *:o*

It would be fun to know how many people play the Lost numbers this weekend.* *:laugh:

Can you imagine every lost fan hitting the lotto on those numbers :lol2: :lol2: we would each win a dollar :lol2: :lol2:

Kato - check out the NUMBERS thread over in group ships -- you will find it interesting and learn a bit about numbers -- I know I am !!!

Thanks Care!* Very interesting... and if I had had this much interest in numbers in school, I might have actually passed statistics.* :laugh:

Hey - you hit Premium Economy Kato -- COOL --- don't forget those of us behind you LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually HATE numbers --- but this is fun -- and since I am a stay at home mom Lost is the only time I actually use my brain :lol2: :lol2: and even then it doesn't work half as well as some other posters LOL

I didn't even notice that until I saw your post.* Woohoo!* I'm in the fancy section of Economy!* *:laugh:*

I know what you mean, Care -- virtually nothing could have forced me to even think about math except for this show.* They ought to teach school like this -- don't just make kids learn the times table, make it necessary in order to solve some mystery.* That would have worked for me!*

About the only time I use my brain is reading murder mysteries -- this is way way more fun.*

(What the heck was the topic?* Oh right -- Nine.* Rats, I have nothing to add there.* *Cats have nine lives?* Seven of Nine is behind it all?* Nine ladies dancing?)*

Nine lords a leaping :lol2: :lol2:

Kato -- what do you read -- I actually like this virtually unheard of author Christopher Pike ---

The only familiarity I have with Christopher Spike is as a Star Trek character, but I'm always looking for new authors to read.* I like Michael Chrichton and anything Chrichtonish, John Nance, all the old classic murder mystery writers (Gardner, Christe, Doyle,), murder mysteries in general, and after that I can't think of anyone off the top of my head, I'd have to track them back by the book title or have my memory jogged.*

Cat 'o nine tails?* (Googling...) Nine planets?* Nine inch nails?* Nine West shoes?* (See, that fits in with Shannon's shoe gift!* Just kidding.)* The whole nine yards?

The Whole Nine Yards -- EXCELLENT Brainless movie ---

The funny thing about Lost --- it makes your really think - which is so unusual in today's Television ---nothing like Twilight Zone and Hitchcock ---

BUT I am still BUGGED that the numbers totaled to NINE everytime ----

Care

Hi Care,
I seem to remember a 'trick' someone my son found in a book when he was little...a lonnnnnng time ago.. Anyway, he was really into number puzzles back then. I'm pretty sure it had to do with how if you added up a series of random numbers, no matter what combination of numbers, when you added them together they could always be somehow reduced to 9. Not sure if that makes it less frustrating but I thought I'd mention it, maybe someone else will remember too.
:wacko: it's definitely making me dizzy trying to figure it out!

OMG -- you are telling me that everything equal NINE -- Signingpretty --

I am so sad :(


Care

By playing a bit with the numbers I got:
Latitude: 4° 8 Min.15 Sec.
Longitude: -162° 3 Min. 42 Sec.* *

Which is pretty much dead center between Australia and the US. Check out the map:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/stat115/map.gif
(Using just 162 West the location gets closer to Papua New Guinea but is still in the Pacific)


I think you are onto something. I mean, when you think of the question, why broadcat the numbers and put them on a hunk of metal with a hach, the answer I get is , location.

not knowing exactly how Latitude and Longitudework I want with this:
Latitude: -4° 81 Min.5 Sec.
Longitude: 162° 34 Min. 2 Sec
or
Longitude: 162° 3 Min. 42 Sec

And ended up close to Papua New Guinea as you said.

So, Looking at what the pilot said:
"6 hours in. Our radio went out, no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji, by the time we hit turbulence we were 1000 miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place."

And Daniel said:
"Our vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned. It was night, a storm, the sounds. The ship slammed into rocks, ran aground, the hull breached beyond repair...."
and
"Our ship picked up a transmission, a voice repeating those numbers. We changed course to investigate. After we shipwrecked my team continued to search for the transmission source. It was weeks before we found the radio tower. "

Then looking at this:
Tahiti: Latitude/Longitude 17° 52S, 149° 56W
Fiji: Latitude/Longitude 9º 43S, 159º 91E

I'd go with your numbers. It is further out in the middle of nowhere.

If you take a number and SUBTRACT the sum if its digits, you always get something divisible by 9.

It's easy to construct many other tricks which have the effect that eventually you end up with a multiple of 9.

Another 9 number trick.* If your check book is out of balance, subtract your balance from the banks balance.* If the difference is evenly divisible by 9 you probably transposed two numbers in your register.

Example:* You wrote a check for 79 dollars but put it in your register for 97 dollars.* 97-79=18, 18/2=9.

They had to have been in the air for awhile, because they started in Australia and ended up in the middle of the south Pacific.* The pilots had time to fly north east, then turn around, get one thousand miles off course, and finally, crash.* A standard flight from australia to the U.S is like 22 hours, right?* So they were probably in the air for around eleven, maybe more.


Supposedly they were 6 hours into the flight

Nine is the highest single-digit number in the decimal system. In the NATO phonetic alphabet, the digit 9 is called "niner".

Nine is the number of musicians in a nonet.

Nine babies born into a single birth are called nonuplets, although not one baby born into a set of nonuplets has ever survived infancy.

A polygon with nine sides is called an enneagon (technically) or nonagon (in common usage). A group of nine of anything is called an ennead.

A novena lasts for nine days.

Nine judges sit on the United States Supreme Court.

A batting lineup in baseball consists of nine players.

In Greek mythology there are nine Muses.

In Egyptian mythology, there are nine major gods and goddesses (see also Ennead).

There are nine basic personality types represented on the enneagram.

In Astrology, Sagittarius is the 9th astrological sign of the Zodiac.

In chess, the maximum number of queens one side could possibly have after queening all pawns.

Joel Garreau identified nine different "nations" of North America.

Nine months is the gestation period for humans.

A standard work day of 9 to 5 begins at 9 a.m.

Historical years: 9 A.D., 9 B.C., or 1909

Stanines are measured on a scale of 1 to 9.

The name of the area called Kowloon in Hong Kong literally means: nine dragons.

Someone dressed "to the nines" is dressed up as much as they can be.

Nine is considered an unlucky number in Japanese culture.

Nine (九 pinyin jiǔ) is considered a good number in Chinese culture because it sounds the same as the word "longlasting" (久 pinyin jiǔ).

Nine rank system

The Nine Chapters on the Mathematical Art

Nine Worthies

Nine ball is the standard professional billiards variant played in the United States

The album Nine by Fairport Convention

Nine is a musical, based on the film 81/2.

In rugby union the scrum-half wears the 9 shirt.

In baseball, nine represents the right fielder's position.

The number of minutes some alarm clocks give you after you press the snooze button.

The number of Valkyries in Richard Wagner's Die Walküre.

9 was a 1995 computer game.

They had to have been in the air for awhile, because they started in Australia and ended up in the middle of the south Pacific.* The pilots had time to fly north east, then turn around, get one thousand miles off course, and finally, crash.* A standard flight from australia to the U.S is like 22 hours, right?* So they were probably in the air for around eleven, maybe more.


Nope. From Sydney to Los Angeles is 12hours, 50 minutes (see: http://www.airlinemeals.net/meals/UnitedAirlines211230.html , scroll down to the meal served on flight from Sydney to Los Angeles).

The pilot said:
"6 hours in. Our radio went out, no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji, by the time we hit turbulence we were 1000 miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place."

This puts then about half way, some place south of Hawaii. This jives with the relation to Tahiti where the French chick's ship left from (3 days out) and with using the NUMBERS as coordinates for the location of the "equipment" (the broadcast tower and the hatch), and thus the island.

All of this put the lostaways here:
Latitude: 4° 8 Min.15 Sec. (just over the equator in the N. Pacific) or -4° 8 Min.15 Sec. (just under the equator in the S. Pacific) Longitude: -162° 3 Min. 42 Sec.

Tomten -- that is a HUGE list about NINE --- how did you come up with all that --

How much do you think is relevant to LOST --- I still think the numbers added is a clue !!
Thanks for all the info
Care

Copy and paste, from Wikipedia. My trusted resource.

I'm reading "Foucault's Pendulum" right now, and just read through a passage that talks about "9" being a mystical number. If I had it with me, I'd look it up and see what it says again.

You can also add " A cat has nine lives" ;)