I've been finding some really interesting parallels between the Philadelphia and Montauk Experiments and what's going on with the show.

Here are some excerpts from various websites with information

And excerpt from the following website:

Montauk Experiment (http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk.html)

After the successful 1940 test, the Navy decided to give the project
unlimited funds and to classify the project. In 1942 Tesla was given a
ship and a crew for a full sized test. Tesla got a battleship. Tesla
and Von Neumann didn't agree on some things. Tesla insisted that they
were going to have a very severe problem with personnel. Tesla wanted
more time but the NAVY wouldn't agree. Tesla made periodic
announcements in the late 1930's and early 1940's about his contact
with off planet species. He was in contact with the outside, who agreed
that there was a problem with the people. He decided to sabotage the
1942 test in an attempt to stop the project. He de-tuned the equipment
so nothing would work. The test failed. Tesla then turned the project
over to Von Neumann in March 1942 and left the project.

Von Neumann went to the Navy and requested time to study the problem to
determine what had gone wrong. Von Neumann decided to make changes in
some of the equipment. He decided he would need a special ship that was
designed from the ground up. The Eldridge was selected. The equipment
was built into the ship. They put all the equipment on the ship.
October 1942 arrived. They selected 33 volunteers for the crew, who
arrived after graduation in December 1942. We still have a picture of
the class.

And more interesting info from the same website:

Some personnel were partially embedded in the steel deck. Others were fading
in and out. Some disappeared entirely. Many were insane. The Navy
extracted the crew and proceeded with four days of meetings to decided
what to do about the problem. They decided there would be one more test
with another dry run without personnel. They conducted the dry run using
about 1000 feet of cable attached to another ship.
In late October 1943 the test occurred. The ship disappeared for about
20 minutes. When it returned, they found equipment missing. Two
transmitter cabinets and one generator was missing. The cabinet with
the zero-time reference generator was intact. At that point, the Navy
stripped the ship and stopped the project. The Eldridge served in the
war and was turned over to Greece at the end of the war.


And more from the following website:

The Montauk Project (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/montauk.html)

Then the word went out, "Now is the time" and
Duncan released this thing from his subconscious into the machine. The
transmitter (which already by that time had its own personality)
created this big monster, solidly in 3-D, twelve to fifteen feet high
and [it] literally came out of the subconscious. It went around
smashing buildings and people and it was discovered trying to break
into the radar tower. The tower was much too strong for it to break
into. The only way to stop it was to destroy the transmitter, and
that's what was done. And it faded out into some other reality. It was
photographed in May of 1986.

More updates can be found further along in this thread:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=505990#post505990

Storm, thanks for posting this! So interesting!

I absolutely agree that the island has been/is being used for some sort of scientific research, weird nuclear/DNA testing and research. This is why I think the Philly/Montauk experiments are significant:

The idea that the island was used as a scientific research spot brings up an obvious conflict of science vs. nature. What if the island is fighting the science?
A sort of a hyper-personification?
The island needs to "disease" those that are part of the experiment like Ethan and the others, while blessing those who are more in tune with nature and spirituality like Locke?

I am so intrigued by all of this!

Very interesting, Stormcellar. I've put the link in my Lost references folder, and I'll read up on it further during the hiatus.

I think there are many paralells between the Montuak Experiment and LOST. Glad I found your thread.
Below is a qoute from John A Quinn, who researched this. You can find the link in Stormcellar's original post. I found it by googling Montauk Project and then found this thread by the Fuselage search.

"fields of research conducted there are said to include psychotronics(interfacing mind & machine), particle beams, electromagnetic mind control, black-hole simulations and interdimensional/time travel experiments(warping time & space)."

Just found this link after extensive searching on google.

http://www.bridgeoflove.com/bookstore/icke/magazine/vol16/articles/montauk1.html

Stormcellar, I meant to mention on the LB that i really enjoyed reading these links. It had been mentioned way back on the wild theories board (when it was still spoiler free ;)) and I had sort of dismissed it and forgot about it, but lots of elements do seem to fit...possible embedded stuff in island...created monster and mind control.

Rather crackpot in reality perhaps, but could be a great jumping off point for a fictional show!

Wow I think my head just exploded.

And more from the following website:

The Montauk Project

Then the word went out, "Now is the time" and
Duncan released this thing from his subconscious into the machine. The
transmitter (which already by that time had its own personality)
created this big monster, solidly in 3-D, twelve to fifteen feet high
and [it] literally came out of the subconscious. It went around
smashing buildings and people and it was discovered trying to break
into the radar tower. The tower was much too strong for it to break
into. The only way to stop it was to destroy the transmitter, and
that's what was done. And it faded out into some other reality. It was
photographed in May of 1986.

Sounds like our "monster" lol....Deux Ex Machina (God from the machine)....subconscious into the machine?

Great find :)

Glad you brought this up. I breifly thought about it when the show was first starting and there was talk about Military Experament, but I i sort of forgot about it. It makes since though. I am going to go googling and try to find some more correlations.

Thanks StormCellar!

That's awesome! I'm definitly going to read up on this. Thanks!

I researched the Philadelphia Experiment and found 14 references to the "Numbers"

The size of the cable was 15 or 16
The year was '42
4 Tesla coils
4 hours the ship disappeared - that's all I can recall off the top of my head

It freaked me out

wow. i am aware that this may make me sound like a complete moron, but....

i so did not get that. i mean i understand how this could possibly be the key to the show,
but i had never even heard of the Montauk Project or any of the other stuff....

like....did this stuff really happen? or is it just a bunch of crazy people rambling about whatever?

i know that the answers are completely irrelevant to the possibility that this is the show's "secret",
but could someone please help me out here?

sorry if i sound like an idiot.

i also forgot to mention that this sounds like a really good theory about our show!! ;D

sorry if i sound like an idiot.


You don't sound like an idiot. I'm still trying to figure that out myself. But it sounds really cool, doesn't it?

yes, it does! (thanks!!! i'm glad i don't sound stupid!!)

These events are highly controversial. What I have found interesting is that there are quite a few respected people who have stated that these experiments happened. I have done a lot of research and can only say that you can find a great deal of information on these subjects and make your own decision.

wow.* i am aware that this may make me sound like a complete moron, but....

i so did not get that.* i mean i understand how this could possibly be the key to the show,
but i had never even heard of the Montauk Project or any of the other stuff....

like....did this stuff really happen? or is it just a bunch of crazy people rambling about whatever?

i know that the answers are completely irrelevant to the possibility that this is the show's "secret",
but could someone please help me out here?

sorry if i sound like an idiot.



GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY

we've been discussing the Philadelphia Exp. and Montauk project for the last 3 months (at least) on this board

if you want to know more, have a look here http://www.bielek.com/ there are a lot of stuff to listen to and to see (or get the CD)

it all is urban legend, and conspiracy theory, it may or may not be true
if you want to go the whole 9 yards of Montauk, be aware that it encompasses : mind control, time travel, aliens, ufos, global conspiracy (new world order government), atlantis & lemuria, etc

anyway that's a real cool thing to investigate into
in the end, if all this is bulls*it, at least it makes pretty cool science fiction
not a waste of time anyway

Thanks Tarf, I'm not really into government conspiracies and aliens, etc. But this does sound cool and I'd like to research more on the subject. Your right, it makes pretty cool science fiction.

I am looking forward to coming back to this thread after the show tonight ... I think there are def. some strands of this theory that are being woven into the storyline!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_filadelfia_2.htm

Great read, long but worth the read.

Thanks! When I get a chance I'll have to read through all that.

I would just like to know how many people here buy into the whole story about these experiments, and if they do, why. I think it's fun to think about, and want to be convinced.

I'll admit, it's cool to read about, and based somewhat in the real world of science, but it's just too far fetched for me from an actual logistics point of view.

I'm not saying that there were never experiments into invisibility, cloaking, time travel, and others (we all know the government has extensively investigated UFOs and phycic abilities) but do you think that ships dissappeared and crew members "came back" half stuck into the bulkheads? I just want to know if there's people on this board that DO buy into it wholesale and what their reasons are. Or, are people talking about this in the frame work of "this could be the keystone to the show, but not based in actual events"?

So, for those of you that do believe that these experiements took place, what is your first major piece of evidence? Also, I'd like to stay away from anecdotes as evidence. There's just too many ways to discredit it immediately. I am looking for stuff like declassified papers from the military. Thanks for taking the time to convince me! BTW, I won't argue with a word you say, I just want to listen.

I agree with you. I find this very hard to swallow. I read through some of the accounts this weekend and they seemed very unbelievable. Not just the far fetched occurings that they reported but the story telling was very disjointed and hard to follow. I just don't believe it. At first it seemed like good science fiction, but then it got a little too out there for science fiction too. If the show took one or two aspects from this theory it may work. I hope they don't though, it's a bit more than pseudo science in my opinion.

Personally I don't believe in time travel, alternate realities, mind control, aliens working with the US government, Indigo Children, and pretty much anything having to do with the Montauk Project (Philadelphia Experiment was only a part of the Montauk Project, which is now supposedly named Project Phoenix)

But the more I read about the Montauk Projects, coupled with the cryptic posts from someone at another forum (check my posts, I reposted them here) including (and especially) some project called #3186-JCA (an extention of a project having to do with the cloning of Jesus from DNA particles obtained from the Shroud of Turin), the more I believe that thats what is going on on LOST Island. Or at least I think the writers borrowed heavily from it.

Locke is without a doubt 'special', as is Walt. If they can be explained by science-fact I'll be shocked honestly. More shocked than when I heard that the Brookhaven Labs out here on Long Island (not too far from Montauk) created a mini "black hole". Tesla is a name that goes hand-in-hand with both the Brookhaven Labs and The Montauk Project, as is the name Al Bielek... something to ponder.
Heres an article on the mini "black hole"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm

Well I do believe in parallel universe (alternate realities). This theory has been around since the 1950's and black holes are a part of this theory. Black holes are supposed to be a connection to other parallel universes. I'm still reading up on the theory, but thanks for the article.

Well I do believe in parallel universe (alternate realities).


I'm certainly not closed to the idea, but as of right now I suppose I do'nt (I guess its easier for me to not believe)
But I do believe that the parallel universe is what Lockes secret to Walt was. (Black & White)

And you're very welcome ;)

You should read up on parallel universes. They don't sound as strange when you find out about the experiments that lead to their discovery. I'm reading a book about them now, but I can't remember the name off the top of my head. I'll get back to you on that. I've thought about the parallel universe theory for Lost, but I don't think that's it (for now). But at this point, nothing would surprise me. It's just my opinion and my opinion is subject to change. :-\

Has anyone ever seen "Cube 2: Hypercube"? *It is a awful movie but the concept deals with parallel universe's and (this is a spoiler about the movie) an experiment set up by the government to test this (being placed in a Hypercube).

I would suggest watching it, just to get somewhat of an idea how it worked in this movie. *But before watching it, watch the original "Cube" because that doesn't deal with time travel in that particular movie, but it deals with some form of experiment, we just don't know who is running it....basically there are about 6 random people placed in this giant cube with different rooms (almost like a rubic cube sp?) and they have to find their way out of it before they die of dehyrdation, starvation or before one of the rooms that has a "trap" kills them. *


I personally doubt time travel, parallel universe's exist....but I can believe they do. *

3 men who were on the USS Eldridge, disappeared in front of witnesses.

The lucky survivors had high ESP?? something like that

What if they had children, and the children are the "others"?

What if they had children, and the children are the "others"?


Funny you should ask as one of his cryptic post reads as follows:
Subject: Suffer the "children"
Punished for the sins of the fathers they have become INDIGO CHILDREN. #3186-JCA shall save them.
Admiral M.United States Navy(Retired)

I wondered too if the 'Others' were the children he spoke of.
All of the Lostaways seem to have "daddy issues" though, so maybe they're all (or at least some) Indigo children (grown up of course). Walt is, in my mind, definatly an Indigo Child. Locke too. Walts dad is there with him though so I don't know what to make of that... unless Michaels dad was on the USS Eldridge.... ugg my mind is spinning again.
Locke could be #3186-JCA though, his bouncing from foster home to foster home could be because he had been raised with other #3186-JCA's.
OR Locke is 'simply' (hardly anything 'simple' about it or Locke) another Indigo Child who was raised to be aware of his "special" traits. In that case, is #3186-JCA what will emerge from the hatch... or is the hatch what the Lostaways will need to be saved from?
Was the psychic worried that Claires baby would be raised to be an Indigo child? Or is the baby #3186-JCA and Locke is a #3180-JC? In that case, are the "others" the ones running the experiment? Or is Lockes 'father' running the experiment?
So many questions still.

also
I guess when I said that I don't believe in parallel universes, I should have said that I have never been a believer. I have always found it interesting but always chalked it up as fiction. Now... who knows. I would'nt ever say they don't exist. Its just that I never gave it much thought, till lately. I suppose I'd say that I'm on the fence right now, and its the first time I ever saw that fence.

My theory is this, believe in everything, that way if it happens to hit you one day.....you won't be overly surprised :laugh:

I don't think the "others" are running this "experiment" (if it is one) because of what the whispers said when they were transcribed by someone at a university (I think) with proper machines to figure it out.....did you ever read the transcript?


http://www.carpeoccasio.com/lost/whispers.htm

According to that I'd say they are also part of the "experiment" and wanted to talk or help him, but were afraid of what he might do or find out.

My theory is this, believe in everything, that way if it happens to hit you one day.....you won't be overly surprised :laugh:

I don't think the "others" are running this "experiment" (if it is one) because of what the whispers said when they were transcribed by someone at a university (I think) with proper machines to figure it out.....did you ever read the transcript?


http://www.carpeoccasio.com/lost/whispers.htm

According to that I'd say they are also part of the "experiment" and wanted to talk or help him, but were afraid of what he might do or find out.


yep, I read it and also think the Others are also part of the experiment. I guess I got caught thinking "out loud".
So if The Others are the children he spoke of, could that make our Lostaways #3186-JCA and Locke #3180-JC?

Thanks BurningStar. That was great! Now I'm more confused than ever. I hope the writer's follow up on the whispers. Very eerie.

I am kinda thinking that the "others" are other survivors, who were here before Danielle even and probably don't want to talk to anyone....or are scared to not knowing who they are, etc. But I could be totally wrong.

Well
we have another cryptic message

Post subject: Fridays Child is full of woe
Child of darkness/Child of Light
Opera/Struggle
The oldest war
Balance
Precession
The greatest Truth: Precession
Caroline in the ocean (Oceania 15)
Kiribati adjustment set the point.
Precession set the time.
Point-Time-Choice

Admiral M. United States Navy (Retired)

Again, Precession has to do with the Earths polar axis wobble
Caroline in the Ocean Caroline Island, also known as Millennium Island, is an uninhabited coral atoll in the central Pacific Ocean
The largest ocean in the world Pacific Ocean, part of the territory of Kiribati
An island republic in the west central Pacific just south of the equator
Kiribati, located at 10º00' S, 150º25' W.
It is best known as the first point of land on earth to have entered the year 2000, based upon official local time, due to a 1995 realignment of time zones and its location as the easternmost of the Line Islands

Back to his last post regarding The Fisher of Men
"In our time Jesus was both Lamb of God and Fisher of Men as the sacrificial symbol for the age of Pisces, the Fishes."

also
I guess when I said that I don't believe in parallel universes, I should have said that I have never been a believer. I have always found it interesting but always chalked it up as fiction. Now... who knows. I would'nt ever say they don't exist. Its just that I never gave it much thought, till lately. I suppose I'd say that I'm on the fence right now, and its the first time I ever saw that fence.


Good for you! It's a very abstract science, but at least you see the fence now. Once I get through the book I'm reading I want to write a synopsis on the theory (well as much of a synopsis as possible). I really don't think it is part of what's happeneing on the show, but it is cool.

BTW where are these cryptic messages coming from?

Good for you! It's a very abstract science, but at least you see the fence now. Once I get through the book I'm reading I want to write a synopsis on the theory (well as much of a synopsis as possible). I really don't think it is part of what's happeneing on the show, but it is cool.

BTW where are these cryptic messages coming from?


I'm PM the addy to you because I don't know how the admins here feel about giving links to other forums here on theirs.

Post subject: Fridays Child is full of woe*

Child of darkness/Child of Light

Opera/Struggle

The oldest war

Balance



Again, [b]Precession has to do with the Earths polar axis wobble



full of woe = regretful of their past?

Child of Darkness/Light = black and white or evil and good

Opera/struggle = Madama Butterfly or The Ballad of Baby Doe? got nothing really

The Oldest War = ........is one that must be continually fought and won anew.~~~Dark Ages, Jihad, Marx, Hitler, al-Qaeda, and Sadam Hussein.

Typed in Balance and found my way to Balance website out of Toronto, Canada, and Alex would like to take you on a tour!!! It is for the visually impaired.

Also found New Balance, Athletic Shoe Co., with a video for the running club. It starts in black and white with the outline of a girl(Kate) and then a rickety bridge (Hurley)and a guy running fast (like many jungle scenes) and then a boy in front of a church (Charlie) his shirt turns to red and he has blonde hair and black shorts, and then another boy in front of Stonehenge and his shirt turns to yellow and he's wearing black shorts.

There is funky music playing and you hear this said "Ve Swallen?" (totally my guess)

Words pop up that say ' Courir est une sensation '

Precession
The greatest Truth: Precession

Kiribati adjustment set the point.

Precession set the time.

Again, Precession has to do with the Earths polar axis wobble
."


Earths polar axis has the number 23 in it

Precession - for accomplishing accurate results you can't fake an experiment???*
Very heady stuff, one thing that stuck out was Walt Disney is a perfect model of all the entanglements.....of simulation (cant read my hand writing for .... part)* *He is awaiting resurrection at minus 180 degrees centigrade.

Kiribati pronounce ( kee-ree-bus)

Location - Oceania, group of 33 coral atolls in the Pacific Ocean, straddling the equator (Int'l date line), the capital is Tarawa and it is 1/2 way between Hawaii and Australia.

1 25 N, 17 300 E

Names of some of the island - Phoenix (sound familiar) Fr. Polynesia and Christmas Island.

The flags upper 1/2 is red with a yellow frigate bird flying over a yellow rising sun, and the lower 1/2 is blue with 3 horizontal wavy white stripes to represent the ocean.

Kiribati Youth Day is the 4th of August (4 and 8 )

Kiribati adjustment set the point - we are off on our coordinates a bit??

Words pop up that say ' Courir est une sensation '


running is a feeling (running is an emotion)

I forgot to add what I found about Fridays Child:
Fridays child poem

Mondays child is fair of face,
Tuesdays child is full of grace,
Wednesdays child is full of woe,
Thursdays child has far to go,
Fridays child is loving and giving,
Saturdays child works hard for his living,
And the child that is born on the Sabbath day
Is bonny and blithe, and good and gay.

Why did he name the thread Fridays Child is Full of Woe though and not Wednesday...

Yes Waltisfuture, the Pheonix is very interesting.

The lucky survivors had high ESP?? something like that

High ESP??? HA! that's the oldest pseudo-science trick in the book. Also, props to whoever discovered this interesting connection between Lost and the so-called Philidelphia Experiment. Real or not, its highly interesting.

New cryptic post...

Post subject: Pit or the Pendulem
Our planet rotates and the Sun rises.
Earth moves around the Sun and a new year begins.
Sol and her Planets plunge through space
destined for a rendezvous.
The New Age dawns.
The Age of Aquarius.
A point in time and space.
4-8-15-16-23-42
Space Time Coordinates and Frames.
The Singularity
The Choice
Terran or Cosmists.
Admiral M. United States Navy (Retired)
The Creator
Cancer has taken Him.
Tiberius Lives
God help us all.

What I have for now on this is:
Terran or Cosmists:
Terran Hugo : But you Cosmists are prepared to take the risk that these Artilects, these artificial intellects may one day decide that the human species is so inferior to them that they wipe us out. Think of the cost.

Cosmist Hugo : Ah, but think of the prize. These artilects could be trillions of trillions of trillions of times more intelligent than human beings. They could have virtually unlimited memory capacity, a huge number of sensors. They could go wherever they like, do whatever they like, be superb scientists, they would be gods

The Choice:
"Do we build gods, or do we build our potential exterminators?"

Precession:
"The Earth's rotation axis is not fixed in space. Like a rotating toy top, the direction of the rotation axis executes a slow precession with period of 26,000 years for the entire ecliptic of our planetary bodies to travel around our sun, a trip of 360 degrees. Each one of the 12 signs of the zodiac takes about 2100 years for our solar system to pass through. Every 72 years we actually move backward 1 degree. After 2100 years we move out of one age and into another.

The precession is like a star clock that helps us date the rotations of earth in our solar system through our galaxy.

At the time of the birth of Christ we were moving out of the Age of Aries which was the Roman Empire (Tiberius) into the Age of Pisces. That happened around 60 BC. The early Christians were aware of this and used as their symbol the 2 fishes going in opposite directions. "

I believe our show may be about the end of the Age of Pisces and the begining of the Age of Aquarius

Would it be possible to have all these cryptic posts, put in a chronological order?

All together so we could read them all at once, from 1st to last?

Thanks in advance.

Would it be possible to have all these cryptic posts, put in a chronological order?

All together so we could read them all at once, from 1st to last?

Thanks in advance.


yep, no problem...
I've found alot more, just wait till you see what the monster is.... :fear2: :fear3:
Sometime tonight (hopefully, if not then tomorrow) I'll start a post with the ones already mentioned along with the new (plus what I've found), all in order... and YES the order is KEY
It may take some time though... :-\
"The Dawning of a New Age, The Age of Aquarius"

You know what the monster is? Is it a machine.....cause thats what I think it is

You know what the monster is? Is it a machine.....cause thats what I think it is


Not if what my research on these messages winds up to be correct. MUCH better ;D

Well I hope you tell us soon....I'd like to hear.

I googled the Christ Project and came up with some other neat finds:

Project "Beastmaker."

For security reasons, moved from Fort Detrick, Maryland. Genetic manipulations of different animals to be used in warfare. Some failures. Success rate: 14.37% of test subjects perform to ideal.

Best case: 1787-P "Outsider." A killer soldier.

Other: Golden Retrievers with extreme intelligence trained as spies for missions in foreign countries.

1979 (date unknown):

#1787-O and others: Outsider genetic manipulation to create the perfect mindless killer soldier. Successful. May be using DNA obtained from aliens to produce crossbred beings. NOTE: It is believed this crossbreeding is being conducted as a joint operation between earthlings and aliens.

#1593-GR Genetic manipulation to see how many different species can be melded into a single creature. Some successes.

Since mid-1950s.

#01961-A "Chimera" A genetic experiment to determine if created lifeforms can learn to transmutate, become invisible, transport, levitate, have extreme ESP, etc. Success but many in conjunction with electromagnetic machines only.

NOTE: A future series entitled, "A Fine Raving Madness" will be published by Kerson Publishing Company and details the genetic creation of Darklings.

#3180-JC The "Christ Project" attempted to clone Jesus from DNA particles obtained from the Shroud Of Turin. Terminated due to lack of subject control.

#3186-JCA The "Christ Project" refunded in 1986. Children* are being raised in a closed environment.

"The Dawning of a New Age, The Age of Aquarius"


I'm an Aquarian, which probably has nothing to do with the Age of Aquarius, but we are very friendly people, and we get along well with others?? Good material for experiments??

ok I'll just keep it going here, I'm too lazy to do that much typing

Below are his posts in bold, he added the numbers (today) after I posted the answers I found (thanks to Google ;))
I put the "~" to indicate the threads title.

4
~ Through the looking glass:
4 August at 1516HRS 23seconds local 1942 pod 1 assumed destroyed during first full power test. PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT.

8
~ Sins of the father:
The officers and sailors of the USS Eldridge have children. Admiral M. United States Navy (Retired)

15
~ Suffer the "children":
Punished for the sins of the fathers they have become INDIGO CHILDREN. #3186-JCA shall save them.

16
~ The Platonic year dawns
Precession
A truly international date will dawn over the black rock on the ocean.
A choice will be made by the Few for the Whole. The choice:
The flowing waters of science or the Fisher of men.

23
~ Fridays Child is full of woe
Child of darkness/Child of Light
Opera/Struggle
The oldest war
Balance
Precession
The greatest Truth: Precession
Caroline in the ocean (Oceania 15)
Kiribati adjustment set the point.
Precession set the time.
Point-Time-Choice

42
~ Pit or the Pendulem
Our planet rotates and the Sun rises.
Earth moves around the Sun and a new year begins.
Sol and her Planets plunge through space
destined for a rendezvous.
The New Age dawns.
The Age of Aquarius.
A point in time and space.
4-8-15-16-23-42
Space Time Coordinates and Frames.
The Singularity
The Choice
Terran or Cosmists.


Worth noting
He also felt it necissary to add to someones post reguarding "Teresa falls up/down the stairs" which I found odd because up untill this point he only started threads and left them for people to decypher:
TERESA??
Trebuchet ends with T

Admiral M. United States Navy (Retired)
I have no clue at all of what to make of that.

Then after he assigned the numbers, he posted:

~I am I
Tiberius Lives

Robert Schoch found my ancient signature

My rebirth has many fathers:

Nikola Tesla
Albert Einstein
William Schockly

Admiral M. United States Navy (Retired)
The Creator

I rest on this the Seventh
Waiting Learning Growing

Singularity

Tiberius

Fisher of Men is Christ

I found this on Fridays Child, it is a poem:
Fridays child poem
Mondays child is fair of face,
Tuesdays child is full of grace,
Wednesdays child is full of woe,
Thursdays child has far to go,
Fridays child is loving and giving,
Saturdays child works hard for his living,
And the child that is born on the Sabbath day
Is bonny and blithe, and good and gay.
(weird that its wednesdays child and not fridays child as its threads title states)

Caroline in the Ocean Caroline Island, also known as Millennium Island, is an uninhabited coral atoll in the central Pacific Ocean
The largest ocean in the worldPacific Ocean, part of the territory of Kiribati
An island republic in the west central Pacific just south of the equator
Kiribati, located at 10º00' S, 150º25' W.
It is best known as the first point of land on earth to have entered the year 2000, based upon official local time, due to a 1995 realignment of time zones and its location as the easternmost of the Line Islands

Terran Hugo : But you Cosmists are prepared to take the risk that these Artilects, these artificial intellects may one day decide that the human species is so inferior to them that they wipe us out. Think of the cost.

Cosmist Hugo : Ah, but think of the prize. These artilects could be trillions of trillions of trillions of times more intelligent than human beings. They could have virtually unlimited memory capacity, a huge number of sensors. They could go wherever they like, do whatever they like, be superb scientists, they would be gods
So the choice he speaks of is:
The Choice is "Do we build gods, or do we build our potential exterminators?"

Christ was born, and crucified in the reign of Tiberius

"I am I" brought me to this:
Note firstly the demiurgic declaration of Chrononzon: "I am I". This demon is the master of form. Note also that he mutilates the body of God and turns it to poison.
Choronzon hath no form, because he is the maker of all form; and so rapidly he changeth from one to the other as he may best think fit to seduce those whom he hateth, the servants of the Most High. Thus taketh he the form of a beautiful woman, or of a wise and holy man, or of a serpent that writheth upon the earth ready to sting.
At this point Neuburg literally saw these many forms of Choronzon, even the form of a woman he loved. Sometimes Choronzon spoke with Crowley’s own voice. Much of the time the voice of Choronzon was an "insane babble".
And, because he is himself, therefore he is no self; the terror of darkness, and the blindness of night, and the deafness of the adder, and the tastelessness of stale and stagnant water, and the black fire of hatred, and the udders of the Cat of slime; not one thing, but many things. Yet, with all that, his torment is eternal. The sun burns him as he writhes naked upon the sands of hell, and the wind cuts him bitterly to the bone, a harsh dry wind, so that he is sore athirst. Give unto me, I pray thee, one drop of water from the pure springs of Paradise, that I may quench my thirst.

So to answer your question BurningStar4.... Choronzon

After replying " Choronzon" in his "I am I" post he PM'ed me with this:
Search the entrance of the pyramid
with Robert Schoch.

As I once was
so shall I be again.

VOEO
Have'nt given that last one much time because I really think I need a break :lol2:
Anyway, use Googles image search on the name Aquarius and take a look and tell me if you see a familiar picture :)

[edit for spelling]

Choronzon: "Guardian of and 'Dweller in the Abyss' (Demon of Dispersion) = 333 (Noznoroch). Crowley called him the 'first and deadliest of all the powers of evil', sole inhabitant of the Abyss [Da'ath], capable of assuming any shape, the very Lord of Chaos."
http://img238.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img238&image=choronzon7ak.jpg
I bet Shannon is'nt our Shannon and that was'nt a dream....

YOU ROCK OnAonXM

I love solving mysteries.

:lol2: thanks
well... if I'm right
theres no way I would have figured it out without those cryptic posts.
I still don't know what to make of this though:
Search the entrance of the pyramid
with Robert Schoch.

As I once was
so shall I be again.

VOEO


Either way, its been a fun way to pass the time between episodes :devil:

Robert Schoch

Either way, its been a fun way to pass the time between episodes* :devil:



Those letters could so become something else. I'm on it!!! :lol2:

B C H Rochestor?? I'll work on it.

Those letters could so become something else. I'm on it!!! :lol2:

B C H Rochestor?? I'll work on it.


Good! 'cause my eyes are killing me :lol2:

I think, though, that putting "Robert Schoch" + pyramids + platonic in your search engine would be a better place for ya to start ;)

Samael/Choronzon tempted Eve, and was banished into the world with them, and Watchers were set over the creation to maintain its bounds. However, traditional legend holds a surprise:

"Samael and his angels were banished to a dark dungeon, where they still languish, their faces haggard, their lips sealed; and are now known as the Watchers"

Others? :o

Robert Schoch + Pyramids + Platonic :lol2: =

Why was the "Precession of the Equinox" universally revered?

Precession is a direct result of the suns binary motion which produces a commensurate change in Earth orientation, a.k.a. precession.

The Great year is a period of 24,000 years; 12,000 ascending into a higher age, and 12,000 descending into a lower age. Ancient cultures knew it as precession of the equinox.

......the fall of ancient civilizations around the globe, and the rise of modern civilization, might be related to our suns motion around a companions star.

.........just as the Earths spin on its axis(23) causes day and night and our planets annual orbit around the sun is responsible for the ongoing cycle of seasons, what if there is some greater celestial cycle, lasting 1000's of years, slowly influencing the Rise and fall of civilization across the globe.

...to many ancient cultures, the answers lie in the stars. I their view, time and civilization did not progress ever forward in a strict linear path, but moved in a cyclical pattern, with human civilization and consciousness rising and falling as great ages came and went.
Ancient Mayans.....entering the time of the 5th Sun
Hindu / Vedic.....Yuga cycle
Ancient Greece..........Plato taught of a large cycle of time, which would slowly return us to a "Golden Age". He called this cycle: The Great Year.

Just as the day has light and day, and the year has summer and winter, so too does the Great Year have its Golden Age and Dark Age.

The expansion of consciousness in the ascending cycle is due to the Suns binary motion bringing the Earth closer to the beneficial influence of the magnetic center. The contraction of consciousness in the descending phase is due to the Suns motion carrying us away from the magnetic center.

Both the ascending and descending cycle are made up of "4" ages and analogous to the 4 seasons.

A dangerous time is passing when Mankind has access to higher technologies, but still harbors the material thoughts of a lower age.

The magnetic center or Grand center is thought to be in the region of Alcyon in the Pleiades.

I found this on VOEO:

http://www.trumtrum.se/Pages/voeo_symbol.htm

This is on Robert Schoch's site:
(Scroll to the bottom.....VOEO is discovered on a pyramid he was looking at )

http://www.robertschoch.net/

VOEO:
http://www.robertschoch.net/images/GreatPyramidInscription.jpg

http://www.robertschoch.net/images/LocationOfInscription.jpg

The rock around the VOEO is blue!

VOEO, is that what was in the blood on Boones neck?

The Magnetic Center or Grand Center, is thought to be in the region of Alcyon in the Pleiades. (group of famous stars)

The 7 sisters of Greek Mythology; Maia, Electra, Alcyone, Taygete, Asterope, Calaeno and Merope.
They are referred to as the "flock of doves" released to become the stars.

The Pleiades rose nearly "4" hours earlier than they do today for the same time of year.

I Googled Choronzon....

Definition: Although the name Choronzon has been popularized by Aleister Crowley, it originates in the Enochian records of John Dee, where he is synonymous with the serpent of the garden; in modern magickal practice Choronzon is the final obstacle of the abyss, the dark side of the ego, which must be defeated before one attains mastery. The crocodile occasionaly pictured on the first tarot trump is Choronzon, in the guise of Ammit, the eater of souls in Egyptian mythology. To the prepared, Choronzon is the beneficient destroyer of the ego, to the unprepared, a force of dispersion or annihlation.

Could the images on the tarot cards in the show have one of this Choronzon???

Great job you two!
I conked out last night, all that Googleing finally caught up with me :wacko:
Our cryptic poster contacted me again, no message this time... he/she simply asked "are you there". I guess he/she wanted to see if I found anything. I'll send him what you found on VOEO (awsome!)

A thought I had last night while slipping into slumber land... "It'll come back around" may very well have to do with the Earths Precession 'coming back around' signifying the impending rise of Choronzon.

Great job you two!
I conked out last night, all that Googleing finally caught up with me* *:wacko:
Our cryptic poster contacted me again, no message this time... he/she simply asked "are you there". I guess he/she wanted to see if I found anything. I'll send him what you found on VOEO (awsome!)

A thought I had last night while slipping into slumber land... "It'll come back around" may very well have to do with the Earths Precession 'coming back around' signifying the impending rise of Choronzon.


It'll come back around - Love it - I dream about Lost too :-[

I'm scared of this Choronzon fella' :P

BS4, have you found anything on the tarot cards. Do we have an image of Choronzon to compare it to? I need something to figure out today!! :lol2:

I haven't looked at the tarot cards....and I think there is a link above on what Choronzon looks like....but if he can change forms that isn't what he'd always look like right? ???

What if the island is fighting the science?


Well, nature seeks equilibrium........the same parralels can be made for the multitude of viruses killing off large quantities of th Earths inhabitants - maybe the Earth doesn't like us sucking up her resources.

GREAT thread BTW and thanks for the interesting links~! Everyone here is so darn smart I love it!!!

I just looked for screencaps of the tarot cards, but there weren't any. Locke only had a deck of them with a few layed out in front....but the angle makes them impossible to see what's on them. :(

I don't know if you guys want to be spoiled but: Ian told Regis and Kelly that we will be seeing a "piece" of the monster at the end of the season why use the word "piece" instead of "part" that's what also makes me think it's a machine....or at least in one form....?

I read an Ian article a few months ago, and he said

the monster was organic / mechanical, or something to that effect. We will see the mechanical part 1st, I venture to guess. I can't find the article anymore. Was it planted? Or pulled because of too much info? He described it in more detail, but the memory is short!!!

Just so happens, late last night on TV there was some movie on, I didn't watch it for more then 2 minutes but they were mentioning how they grew a machine organically.....so maybe the same thing is going on here. Too bad I didn't stick around to see what it was, but I don't think you can blame me the movie was god awful :laugh:

Could it maybe be something similar to a cyborg if it wasn't planted?

but if he can change forms that isn't what he'd always look like right?
Right!


Could it maybe be something similar to a cyborg if it wasn't planted?

I'd count on it, or at least that we've already seen a cyborg or two. (Ethan maybe)
I think the whole thing is still an experiment, maybe scientists hurrying the process along not realizing that the outcome will bring forth a new race that would spell the end of mankind as we know it. Superhumans maybe.
Research Prof. Dr. Hugo de Garis
And I'm pretty sure fans of Claires baby will not be happy, still unsure about that one though.
I'm sure the psychic knows...
But I do think Lockes father is behind much of this.

I've always thought Ethan could potentially be part robotic.....seeing as when he was shot there wasn't any blood and there have been speculations he was still braething when buried.....or I thought he was an alien.

I'm not sure if Locke's father is behind this or not, seems unlikely, but then again you never know....he was a huge expeditionist (or whatever)

I'm not sure if Locke's father is behind this or not, seems unlikely, but then again you never know....he was a huge expeditionist (or whatever)


His "see you on the other side" comment always stuck with me.
btw I believe we have a new friend here on the Fuselage ;)

Oh yea that comment in the hospital?

His dad was creepy anyway......



Whose the friend? ??? (sorry I'm blonde, a bit slow to catch onto things haha)

btw I believe we have a new friend here on the Fuselage* *;)



....little bit blonde too. ???

What do you think of Jacks dad being involved in the experiments?
He was the head of his department, maybe he went to work for the government when he was fired, and did some Bad things, and drank himself to death, and or, was killed because of his knowledge?

What is an organic machine? What is Cloning? What constitutes a human organic machine?
-what differentiated a human organic machine from any other (somewhat arbitrarily defined) organic machine? Awareness of Self?

What is genome merging?.........spreading genetics around---what is a 'human' anyway? Mixing small pieces within the genomic space--a slippery slope.

Mitochondrial DNA - dementia or mental retardation, SIDS, diabetes, seizures, movement disorders, spinal, migraines, cognitive disorders, fatigue and weakness, visual and or hearing loss, short stature, kidney disease. mtDNA comes from the Mother.

Discontinuity. Catastrophe.

If it's an organic machine, that pretty much means a cyborg.....half animal/human and half machine. However, I don't know if he meant organic and mechanical....meaning it was grown? Although I don't know if that's possible....this isn't really my field of study, but I know what a cyborg is and a little bit about cloning and stem cell research, etc.

Whose the friend? ??? (sorry I'm blonde, a bit slow to catch onto things haha)


:lol2: thats ok

I'll hold onto that answer and hopefully he will say a few words, you'll know right away when/if he does (fingers crossed)

I'm kinda busy today but I'll check in later, but in the meantime do a Google Image search for the word "Aquarius" and tell me if you find an island that looks at all familiar :ohmy:

http://www.google.com/imghp

Thank you OnAonXM

I am I

Tiberius / VOEO / morphus / Admiral M. United States Navy (Retired)

Welcome Tiberius! :)

I googled "Aquarius" but found no pictures of an "island"....just a bunch of nothing really....

Welcome to the Fuselage Tiberius!

BurningStar4, that has me stumped... very odd!
When I was looking for an avatar I did an image search on Google and I SWEAR on the first page there was a picture of our Lost Island.... not even an island that could look like Lost Island... but the same picture of the island used in some Lost sites and ads... one I'm sure most of you have seen... the far away shot. Too strange!

Anyway, I'm on my way out for the evening but I'll check back later.

And again, welcome to the 'Lage Tiberius.

I found an island on page 11 that is home to Aquarius Antigone bugs. The map looks just like the island, including coral reef drawn in...............found in coastal areas of Queensland, NSW, ACT, Victoria, Eastern South Australia.

It also took me to NOAA's underwater laboratory, Aquarius. It will be underwater until Aug 18th.
It looks like the inside of all the shelter things we've been looking at. An underwater habitat.

Aquarius+Antigone - protein-coding sequencing. Genetic Sequencing.

In tarot cards, Antigone exemplifies "the suit of the swords" as he, like Cassandra, was a victim of controlling forces, that try as she might, she could not resist.

..........from the Phoenix area, who plan to try for the occulation of SAO 165635 in Aquarius by the 113-km asteroid (129) Antigone this Saturday night (Sept 8)

I don't know, I don't see a map on page 11 either.....maybe google just operates differently for different people? lol

I have no clue....

Sorry BS4 you put in Aquarius+Antigone and it comes right up. Bugs and the map.

Oh thanks, it worked....very interesting.

Most impressive! Very interesting stuff here. I just wanted to "tag" it so I can keep updated on it. Truly amazing how relative this all seems. Thank you for taking the time to share.

That pic of the island disappearing off the face of Google is really bugging me. I was shocked when I first saw it and I was more shocked that it was'nt there a day later. When I first saw it and clicked the link to it it brought me to a dead site so that means the image was only in Googles cache (meaning the link was good at one time) but what are the odds that I saw it the day before its cache expired?



Anyway, more on Choronzon, from a slightly different angle: Take note of what I put in bold

Choronzon is a hypothetical demonic entity. It is associated with the tenth Aethyr in the system of Enochian Magic devised by John Dee, and is the Guardian of the Abyss in the magickal system(s) developed by Aleister Crowley. It is experienced 'astrally,' or through trained, controlled visualization -- analagous to an induced, vivid, conscious dream.

As with all such entities, it does not exist in an objective, physical sense, yet it is experienced spontaneously and in similar ways by many witnesses, and can, as such, be seen as 'real.' Choronzon appears as a being external to the witness, with its own volition. It is coextensive with the 'lurker on the threshold' in several narrative traditions.

In Crowley's system, Choronzon represents the internal chaos experienced when the ego confronts a higher mode of being which, the ego feels, threatens its destruction. It is the bargaining and trickery of the ego trying (desperately) to retain control of the self. ( sound like "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO" to you? )

Its appearance as a strange, demonic entity can be seen as a matter of perspective. In experiencing the so-called Abyss, one may suddenly and jarringly identify with a part of oneself that is not the ego, yet find oneself drawn back toward ordinary consciousness through what seems like demonic (and external) threats and manipulation -- through words and sleights that are not (are no longer) one's own. Choronzon is, in a sense, one's normal mind, at a distance.

Choronzon can be psychologically dangerous to encounter as an external 'entity,' because it has perfect knowledge of one's hurts and terrors, and in a sense personifies them. But Choronzon is also, in a sense, that part of us that we normally think of as our 'self,' which guards and takes care of us in the world through its vigilance. The terror of losing that part is a quite real and understandable terror, and we can think of Choronzon, so-called, as being in horror of losing us as well -- of letting go of the control that keeps and protects, and being 'nobody.'

The astral experience of the Abyss is a pageant of that, and an arena in which opposed parts of the self can contend and damage each other.

Yet despite Choronzon's apparent agitation, the crossing of the 'Abyss' does not destroy the ego or any part of the self. It is the ego's watchfulness and fear of abandonment that makes that seem to be the case.

Coming in on this VERY late (looks in terror at page count).... um, I decided to be lazy today ;D, so is there ANY chance that someone would want to explain this to me in one short post? ;) :D

Coming in on this VERY late (looks in terror at page count).... um, I decided to be lazy today ;D, so is there ANY chance that someone would want to explain this to me in one short post? ;) :D


I honestly don't think there is a short answer :-\
Its some fascinating reading though, well worth it. And I think I know the meaning of the numbers... :jump1:
but you must read first ;)

Lost and Found

Necessity is the mother of invention.
War produces the greatest necessity.
The process producess horrible mistakes.
Mistakes that must be hidden.
The Point was found during the search for lost Amelia.
The perfect point for hiding the sins of science.
The Kiribati Adjustment highlighted the Point.
God help us all.

Tiberius

Lost and Found

Necessity is the mother of invention.
War produces the greatest necessity.
The process producess horrible mistakes.
Mistakes that must be hidden.
The Point was found during the search for lost Amelia.
The perfect point for hiding the sins of science.
The Kiribati Adjustment highlighted the Point.
God help us all.

Tiberius


Without doing much research....what I get from that is:

When searching for Amelia Earnheart (sp?) a point (island) was found which was the perfect place for doing scientifically abnormal things.....ex. genetic mutations, cloning, etc.

The Kiribati Adjustment is where they figured out the time zone of where "today" and "yesterday" intersect right? http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/idl/idl.htm#The%20Kiribati%20adjustment%20of%201994/95
This happened in 94/95....

But these scientific "wrongs" were placed on this island because it was stuff made for war, probably stuff like cyborgs (war soldiers) etc. but they didn't work out, they went "wrong" and so they were placed on this island that was abandoned.

nice work BS4

Location: Oceania, island in the North Pacific Ocean, about one-half of the way from Hawaii to Australia
Map references: Oceania
Natural resources: guano (deposits worked until late 1800s)
Natural hazards: the narrow fringing reef surrounding the island can be a maritime hazard
Population: uninhabited
note: American civilians evacuated in 1942 after Japanese air and naval attacks during World War II; occupied by US military during World War II, but abandoned after the war; public entry is by special-use permit only and generally restricted to scientists and educators

I love how the name of the flight is "Oceania" with little dots surounding the "O" (almost like the island and its surrounded by this hazardous reef)

I love how the name of the flight is "Oceania" with little dots surounding the "O" (almost like the island and its surrounded by this hazardous reef)


Excellent!!!

My word... looks fascinating- I WILL read it. :D

My word... looks fascinating- I WILL read it. :D


:lol2:
you'll find it worth it. so much fits.
Could our Adam & Eve be Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan?? I think so...
But why the drugs on the plane?

I'm only on page three now, and have only read some of the links. But I'm going back and reading most if not all of them- plus the rest of the topic. This is the most amazing thing that I've seen on this board, ever. Ever. Just wanted to say this...

Below is a qoute from John A Quinn, who researched this. You can find the link in Stormcellar's original post. I found it by googling Montauk Project and then found this thread by the Fuselage search.

"fields of research conducted there are said to include psychotronics(interfacing mind & machine), particle beams, electromagnetic mind control, black-hole simulations and interdimensional/time travel experiments(warping time & space)."

Is it JUST a huge coincidence that this guy's name is John and his last name is Ouinn? ;) (John Licke/Terry Oquinn)

On Star Trek, the engineer O'Brien, was convicted of a crime, and was put in prison for a few weeks, but to him it was 50 years, or something like that. They had used this technology to cause someone to think they had served all the time, including daily memories etc.


Tiberius, where did you get that poem? Is there more info there?

I'm only on page three now, and have only read some of the links. But I'm going back and reading most if not all of them- plus the rest of the topic. This is the most amazing thing that I've seen on this board, ever. Ever. Just wanted to say this...

Is it JUST a huge coincidence that this guy's name is John and his last name is Ouinn? ;) (John Licke/Terry Oquinn)


I agree, easily the most interesting. Lots of peoples theories around the board can be found here, where they all fit together and start to make sense.
The name thing is probably just a coincidence imo, but I could'nt imagine anyone else playing Locke. So if its not a coincidence, they lucked out in that Terry O'Quinn is as amazing an actor as he is.

:lol2:
you'll find it worth it. so much fits.
Could our Adam & Eve be Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan?? I think so...
But why the drugs on the plane?


Could the drugs be explained as someone taking advantage of AE and her flight, to deliver drugs?

Because she was a woman in a mans world, could she have chosen to deliver the drugs, as a bribe?

Ok... this is unbelievable. I can't get over this, may not be able to for a while... ;) This is the end of the world....

But who is this Tiberius guy? Can anyone explain that to me? And where are you getting all these cryptic posts from, OnAon, from Tiberius. Where is he getting them from then? (dies)

... or perhaps Tiberius himself would like to explain who he is and how he knows so much?

Whom does the Grail serve?

Sangriel

San Griel

Sang Riel

A Christian adapts
A darwinist evolves
What ever your Truth
Everything changes

"Now lets go find your bird"

Tiberius

Okay, I've been reading on Philadelphia/Montauk experiments for a couple months, and now this thread...this is the most interesting one yet! And I see Tiberius is now posting again...cool, this stuff is what keeps me coming back, I love puzzles and mysteries.

Marking this thread to come back to...and often!

Found this googling holy grail

http://www.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/cooke.htm

Sangreal...interesting

Old Wiz, if you come here, I am so sorry for getting all "out there" again. *I was doing so good on this thread, and the day I invite you, I go crazy. * :lol2: *There is lots of other posts for you to enjoy *

Charlie, I've been too scared to ask that question. :o

I think it is a survivor of the 1942-43 experiment on the USS Eldridge (convoy UGS-15 and convoy UGS -23), where they disappeared either 4 hours or were transported 40 years into the future, using 4 Tesla coils with 2 (? - can't remember, but 4x2=8) and 1.42m of #16 magnetic wire.
........until Sept. 16..........until Oct. 15.........men burned for 18 days.......greenish haze on deck
(that was totally for your enjoyment Charlie)

Whispers of men, men Freezing in time for months, time travel
Hell incorporated / The Freeze
....some sailors were on fire, some seemed insane, All were SICK, heart attacks, dead, some were part of the superstructure of the ship, some disappeared, high PSI factor.

The Philadelphia Experiment evolved into The Phoenix Project (computers and *human link) and many believe, it is still active today. *(I'm one) *:-\

They attempted to link computers with minds, and we're apparently successful beyond their wildest dreams. *Using this computer -human link, they could affect others minds, and was eventually able to open a time vortex back to 1943, to the Philadelphia Experiment!!! * Claims were made that the mind could create matter at any point in time. *It was also claimed that a man was sent through two time lines, a fact confirmed in 1985, by Duncan Cameron (trained by the N.S.A.), so his testimony is considered valid.

..........who is Tiberius?

Could it be the writers, sending us in the right direction. *I think the beginning of the show, was steeped in mystery, and I read that the network isn't as gung-ho as the writers of Lost.

Maybe they had a plan in the beginning, that they were talked out of, and now they have to redirect us to "real science"???

This link has inspired me to go out and buy some books on these projects.....I knew stuff like this was going on in the world but no one ever believes my conspiracy theories :(

Allright, I spent all morning (and afternoon) reading up on the Philadelphia and Montauk Experiments. *Even if this doesn't turn out to have anything to do with Lost, it sure makes me want to go back and finish my Physics degree. *I am still having trouble digesting Tiberius' involvement in the thread. *I think I need to go back and read the "poems". *AAARRRGGGHHHH! ...another head-exploding theory. *This one, however, I really like.

Me too!! *BS4(and fellow detective), I have learned more interesting stuff, in the past month, than I have in the past several years.

I just got my 1st computer 2 months ago. *I never wanted one, cuz I knew I would get addicted to it. * :lol2:

I still haven't gotten over the thrill of finding everything I want, right here on the net. *You have to be a bit of a detective, and be willing to connect from one site to another, to find interesting info, but I have nothing but time.

If anyone wants me *to look up info, while they're at Work *:lol2: *I would love to!!

I think Tiberius and the French Lady are related!!! :laugh:

To whom does the Grail serve? = The King

San grial in old french means holy grail
Sang rial means royal blood

Lets go find your bird - Locke's father to Locke

Father = The King

Our friend Tiberius does'nt work for 'Lost' or ABC.
If he did, he would have known about the Fuselage long before yesterday. Take that at face value. Thats all I'll say about that.
( look at me gettin 'cryptic' now :lol2: )

Ok, back to the readings...
What I keep coming back to is that with all of the supposed time-travel experiments, "they" could never see past 2012. Am I the only one scared by this?

Ok, back to the readings...
What I keep coming back to is that with all of the supposed time-travel experiments, "they" could never see past 2012. Am I the only one scared by this?

Yea that scared me a bit too

...and don't forget that the Mayan calender "ends" in 2012...

...and don't forget that the Mayan calender "ends" in 2012...


as does (if I remember right) The Age of The Pisces

gee...thanks...

No, seriously, this just keeps getting more interresting.

I found a good link that lists some of the equipment needed.
http://www.mysteries-megasite.com/frames/newworldorder-frame.html

Who wants to build a time machine? ;D

Yea that scared me a bit too


I watched a program on the Bible Code on the History channel a few weeks back and they supposedly found within the bible a prediction that a meteor is supposed to hit the earth in 2012, or thereabouts. But FYI, other people have used the same principle of the bible code on he book Moby Dick and came up with much the same things. So you should take it with a grain of salt.

I did find this though on a Gematria web site

2,813 days 6 hours 56 mins, 57 secs left till the end. ( at least when I just checked!)

gee...thanks...


My comment was more for anyone joining this conversation late ;)

Side note:
Anyone up for some serious partying for the next 7 years?

Anyone up for some serious partying for the next 7 years?


Party On!!

Marking for post-rehearsal ingestion.

All I can say is I am shocked the end of the worls isn't within the next 4 years.....so that's good news to me.

I'm up for some partying :)

Party On!!* *


It should take us that long to figure out the mysteries of the world. * :lol2:

The letters are an anagram for J.D. Salinger - Catcher in the Rye - the spokesman for the goals and values for a generation of youth during the 1950's

Just for the fun of finding numbers.........on 15 separate occasions, Holden gets the urge to communicate by phone, yet only 4 calls are ever completed.

- ones individual understanding of the human condition
- the unique story of a unique child
- half-amused, half-frightened glimpse of ourselves
- firestorm for controversy and debate
- coming-of-age story
- religion and morality dispute, resulting in the book being censored in public schools

Is Holden actually the one going insane, or is it society which has LOST its mind for failing to see the hopelessness of their own lives?

The letters are an anagram for J.D. Salinger


What letters? What did I miss?

Whom does the Grail serve?

Sangriel

San Griel

Sang Riel

A Christian adapts
A darwinist evolves
What ever your Truth
Everything changes

"Now lets go find your bird"

Tiberius



This is the latest post from Tiberius, and it's the one were working on, but there are other mysteries to be solved.* Go find all his posts and read them.* I think they are all together a few pages back.

Ok, I got it...the "J.D." threw me off.

Whom does the Grail serve?



The Da Vinci Code, rips the Holy Grail away to a realm of esoteric history.

....a womans body is symbolically a container.

The Holy Grail is the container (Mary Magdalene) or vessel that held the blood of J.C. in her womb, while bearing his children.

The Holy Grail according to The Da Vinci Code, "is symbolic of the LOST Goddess" - when Christians came along, the old pagan religions did not die easily. Legends of chivalric quests for the Holy Grail were in fact stories of forbidden quests to find the LOST Sacred feminine.

The Holy Grail is a favorite metaphor for a desirable but difficult-to-obtain goal, from the map of the human genome to Lord Stanley's cup.

The Holy Grail is a favorite metaphor for a desirable but difficult-to-obtain goal, from the map of the human genome to Lord Stanley's cup.



<-----------------Thanks for reminding me Walt...*sigh** no cup this year* *:P

I found this interesting:

On September 12, 2000 a global event of paramount significance occurred within the covert infrastructure of the New Age, UFO and Illuminati movements. On September 11,2001, in preparation for the first anniversary of the 9/12/2000 event, the Trigger Event of the WTC/Pentagon Terrorist Attack was launched as the first step in the intended 2011 fulfillment of a hidden global agenda that reaches far backward in time. Earth is poised at the cusp of a "Great New Age", long predicted in Hopi prophecies, the Mayan Calendar and Biblical Revelation. Humanity will now determine whether this New Age is destined to become a Free Age of Genuine Enlightenment, or a New Dark Age of One-World-Order Dominion. The origins of our contemporary dilemma and its SOUL-U-tions extend back into the greatest secrets of the ancient past.

Volume-2 reaches from the heart of legendary Atlantis, Lemuria and Nibiru, through the ancient "Ascension Mysteries" of the Arc of the Covenant, Great Pyramid, "Inner Earth", "Visitor" races, Biblical Revelation and the Halls of Amenti Star Gates, emerging to reveal the contemporary secrets of the Bermuda Triangle, HAARP, Montauk Project, Wingmakers Site, the Philadelphia Experiment, the New Age Movement, the 9/11/2001 WTC/Pentagon disaster and over 70 years of covert UFO cover-up and Infra-sound Scalar Pulse testing. Revealing the truth of 500 million years of 12-Tribes Human evolution, as directly translated from the ancient MCEO "CDT-Plate" holographic discs, the Forbidden History of Humanity's Original Sacred Mission, and the coveted Secrets of Amenti are now being returned to assist us in our contemporary confrontation with destiny. In rediscovering our Human heritage, which includes Visitors from the Stars, the Checkerboard DNA Mutation, and the secrets of the Templar, we will also rediscover the REAL divinity within the Human Condition and reclaim the Sacred Knowledge and Eternal Healing Power that IS the Human Birthright.

The sacred knowledge of the "Signet RRT Technology", once used by Essene "Jesus Christ", King Arthur and the Knights of the Roundtable, the Cathari, Celtic-Druids, Incas, Egyptians, Maharajah and many Grail Line "Indigo Children" Guardian Masters before them, holds the key to our past, present and future. The ancient secrets of the Templar, Sacred Sites, Time Mechanics, Merkaba, Ascension and DNA, long sought but never claimed by the Knights Templar Illuminati in the "Quest for the Holy Grail", reveal the true Personal and Planetary Sacred Templar Teachings through which humanity can now begin to set itself free.
Also: Templar Maps, Who's Who ID Charts, The Amenti Schedule, Bio-Regenesis Techniques for Conscious Evolution.


Voyagers Volume-2 The Secrets of Amenti 2nd Edition is not only a book; it is AN EXPERIENCE and an ADVENTURE

http://www.cs.usu.edu/~degaris/artilectwar2.pdf

Tiberius had this link in one of his messages from the other board that I reposted here but I omitted it because the link he originally posted had a spelling error therefore did'nt work...

Is there a text version to this link...my computer isn't liking the pdf files lately.

Yes... please. ;D

Is there a text version to this link...my computer isn't liking the pdf files lately.


:-\ sorry no, I could'nt find one :-\

dang.... :-\

Revealing the truth of 500 million years of 12-Tribes Human evolution, as directly translated from the ancient MCEO "CDT-Plate" holographic discs, the Forbidden History of Humanity's Original Sacred Mission



Is the MCEO the VOEO symbol at the entrance of the pyramid?

regarding "verse" 23 on page 4 of the thread...
"the oldest war"

I found this...

Waves of euphoria. Ah, but now we had to look at the consequences of the oldest war, the assault we had been waging on Earth herself. Global warming, the hole in the ozone layer, the vanishing rain forests, spreading deserts, toxic wastes, disappearing species, the poisoning of the food chain, overpopulation . . . odds for humanity's survival grew slimmer.

Perhaps an alternate to the struggle betewwn good and evil being the oldest war we now have man against nature.

Here's the link* *http://www.lightworks.com/MonthlyAspectarian/1997/March/0397-10.html
It's also very age of aquarius oriented.

edited to include some more info...
Looking further...
We know who Tesla and Einstein are, but I had no idea who William Schockly was.
Turns out, he invented the transistor. I also found the following:

"A Study Concerning Uranium as a Source of Power" by J.B. Fisk and W.
Schockly, dated September 17, 1940, a remarkable theoretical discussion of the feasibility of a nuclear
reactor to have been written so early.

source: http://ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/nuclear_power/NuclEnerg.PDF

To err is Human

A child is the sum of our past
and the hopes for our future.
Place the child on a sandy beach
and the child will build in the sand
and then destroy his creation
and then begin again.
The Long Count began when the Angelic war ended
A war fought because Man was created with the freedom of Choice.
That freedom was the first Singularity.
The Long Count ends with the last Singularity.
The Time is set.
The Place were the few will decide for the many.
The Choice.

A gift from the Vatican in honor of a great man:

S A T O R
A R E P O
T E N E T
O P E R A
R O T A S

Tiberius

I just finished reading for a half an hour, and you find more super cool stuff to read.

I'm not complaining, keep it coming, my brain hurts, but there's lots more room.

And Tiberus snuck in, while I was typing.

Will the wonder never END!!! :lol2:

Ok, go check this out....

http://www.smithtrust.com/satorsite/

I haven't read the last thing :lol2: I'm not going to let myself look at the new stuff, till I catch up.

I must sleep...good luck 'til tomorrow.

Professor HUGO de Garis in a nutshell

Artificial brains, quantum computing, quantum mechanics, creation of artificial consciousness, nanotechnology and the threat to humanity if robots become smarter than humans.

Putting a limit on A.I.Q., to control robots, would incite much debate.

Moores law is that the computational capacities of integrated circuits or 'chips' have been doubling every year or two, if it continues to 2020, it will be possible to store a single bit of informantion on a single atom.

Professor Hugo coined a new phrase.* Artificial Intellect = Artilect* Machines of God-like intelligence.

The last interesting bit was another new word, Cosmits, for people that are pro Artilect, and then it ends.* Anti Artilect is so new, it doesn't even have a name yet.* *:lol2:


I am very worried that in the second half of our new century, the consequences of the kind of work that I do may have such a negative impact upon humanity that I truly fear for the future.

You may ask, "Well, if you are so concerned about the negative impact of your work on humanity, why don't you just stop it and do something else?" The truth is, I feel that I'm constructing something that may become rather godlike in future decades (although I probably won't live to see it). The prospect of building godlike creatures fills me with a sense of religious awe that goes to the very depth of my soul and motivates me powerfully to continue, despite the possible horrible negative

To err is Human

A child is the sum of our past
and the hopes for our future.
Place the child on a sandy beach
and the child will build in the sand
and then destroy his creation
and then begin again.
The Long Count began when the Angelic war ended
A war fought because Man was created with the freedom of Choice.
That freedom was the first Singularity.
The Long Count ends with the last Singularity.
The Time is set.
The Place were the few will decide for the many.
The Choice.

A gift from the Vatican in honor of a great man:

S A T O R
A R E P O
T E N E T
O P E R A
R O T A S

Tiberius


This was used as an ancient Christian secret symbol, like the fish. *One translation of the anagram is this: *Our Father

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *A

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *P
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *A
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *T
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *E
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *R
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *A * PATER NOSTER 0
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *0
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *S
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *T
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *E
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *R

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *0

Another translation, Arepo the sower holds the wheels at work.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/letter12.htm

More translations on this page:
http://www.waggish.org/2003/01/sator_arepo_tenet_opera_rotas.html

The Lostaways are going to decide the fate of humanity?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

The Lostaways are going to decide the fate of humanity?



I don't think its their choice, I think it questions what the result of these experiments will be.
Terran Hugo : But you Cosmists are prepared to take the risk that these Artilects, these artificial intellects may one day decide that the human species is so inferior to them that they wipe us out. Think of the cost.

Cosmist Hugo : Ah, but think of the prize. These artilects could be trillions of trillions of trillions of times more intelligent than human beings. They could have virtually unlimited memory capacity, a huge number of sensors. They could go wherever they like, do whatever they like, be superb scientists, they would be gods
So the choice he speaks of is:
The Choice is "Do we build gods, or do we build our potential exterminators?"
"We", I believe, being the scientists... I think.

I'm really glad you guys are running with this because I'm moving to another state in about a week so lately most of my time is spent packing and such.
Keep up the good work :punk:

Ok, I have been looking at some of the previous riddles...

A truly international date will dawn over the black rock on the ocean.

A point in time and space.
4-8-15-16-23-42
Space Time Coordinates and Frames.
The Singularity

The Long Count began when the Angelic war ended
A war fought because Man was created with the freedom of Choice.
That freedom was the first Singularity.
The Long Count ends with the last Singularity

The long count refrences the Mayan Calendar.
Dates in the mayan calendar are represented by five numbers.
I'm wondering if our "numbers" don't represent a date - "A point in time"

1 / Kin (day) - 4?
20 Kin/ Uinal - 8?
360 Uinal/ Tun - 15?
7200 Tun/ Katun - 16?
144000 Katun/ Baktun - 23?

Which leaves 42...perhaps relating it to space somehow or the number of cycles of the Great Year?

The singularity referred to could be the alignment of our planet and sun with the milky way which hapens at the end of the Great Year.

I am having trouble with the religious symbolism...but this part I can really get into.
The problem with the sator-rotas square is that every translation I have encountered has been at least slightly different.
So maybe the translation itself is not improtant, but maybe the why...
As far as I can tell, it was used as some kind of talisman in Roman times.

The Lostaways are going to decide the fate of humanity?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


Could the significance of The Greater Good, be that the Government will abandon the lostaways, in order to save the world? Could the beginning of the next decession, be the Ancient Mayan prediction of the world ending Dec 23/2012?

Connundrum, I can't keep up with you, I still have your 2 sites from last night to read and now there is 2 more from cinamin, should be a great day. :punk:

My thoughts on what the numbers are/mean have been that they are THE Space-Time Coordinates. (for Lost anyway)

Space-Time Coordinates and Frames
Descriptions of spatio-temporal relations and motions are often expressed in terms of coordinate systems, which assign a unique set of four real numbers x,y,z,t to each point of an assumed four-dimensional manifold.

The four numbers being the four numbers that have the line below them in this pic
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=32186&fullsize=1

The other 2? Dunno, Frames maybe?

Check out this link http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath555/kmath555.htm and look at the formula halfway down. Its not the same formula in the screenshot but if you search for THE formula for Space/Time travel you won't find just ONE because there is'nt ONE, but rather many because they're all theories.
So, in my opinion, the numbers are, or have to do with, Space-Time Coordinates and Frames.

I do like the idea that The Choice is abandon the experiment (Lostaways) or continue.

My thoughts on what the numbers are/mean have been that they are THE Space-Time Coordinates. (for Lost anyway)

I do like the idea that The Choice is abandon the experiment (Lostaways) or continue.


Makes sense that they are space time coordinates...Sawyer's Wrinkle in Time book is a good clue. I saw that web page also with the forumula, but I'm not that good at math and science to figure that stuff out! But I do get the concept of it.

And I agree about "The Choice" theory. I've mentioned on a few threads about the idea of science vs religion theme. Are we going to far in technology?

A couple links:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A569522
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A273845

"A Study Concerning Uranium as a Source of Power" by J.B. Fisk and W.
Schockly, dated September 17, 1940, a remarkable theoretical discussion of the feasibility of a nuclear
reactor to have been written so early.

source: http://ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/nuclear_power/NuclEnerg.PDF




George C. Laurence was a CANADIAN that attempted the 1st man made nucleur chain reaction from1940-"42"
It uses Uranium - 233
Look at page 14, does that look like the hatch?

You can't beat Mother Nature.

Makes sense that they are space time coordinates...Sawyer's Wrinkle in Time book is a good clue. I saw that web page also with the forumula, but I'm not that good at math and science to figure that stuff out! But I do get the concept of it.
:lol2: I'm no good at math either but thankfully I don't think it would help trying to figure the equation out. My bet is the writers did'nt feel it necessary that the equation actually work, but rather chose the numbers for the equation from references from the Bible in order to tie the two.

And I agree about "The Choice" theory. I've mentioned on a few threads about the idea of science vs religion theme. Are we going to far in technology?

A couple links:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A569522
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A273845



Amazing stuff there :o

Look at page 14, does that look like the hatch?Kind of, I dont really know what to make of that... very interesting though.

Jan 23/68, the USS Pueblo was hijacked off of North Korea. *The crew was held 11 monts until Dec 23/68..........USSR message stating plans to start a nucleur war with Red China. *(could they be in cahoots with the US on the bombing of Hiroshima)

In another thread, there is a theory that the bombing of Hiroshima was to create enough power to test time travel, or something like that.

After reading this stuff, isn't it annoying that computers crash, and we have to wait.

I saw you lurking Tiberius, what is our clue of the day?

After reading this stuff, isn't it annoying that computers crash, and we have to wait.


Speaking of which. :laugh: if you guys come across links to pdf files, can you check for text versions and post that link? For some reason my computer has been freezing up when trying to bring up pdf files. :P

I've noticed that when googling stuff, there is usually a text version available where there is a pdf file.

Oh well, I guess the human brain crashes sometimes too..... :lol2:

I once was blind, but now I see

Arepo the Planter set the wheel of twelve spokes to rotate.
A the Point of each spoke a choice is made by Man.
When a generation lost the Long Count a Teacher was sent.
To the Egyptians he was VOEO.
To the Inca he was Viracocha.
To the Indian he was Vyasa.
To the Greek he was Vulcan.
To the Norse he was Ve.
To the Roman he was Vertumnus.
The Long Count must be kept.
The Choice is never simple.
The " Venom of God" leads the deception.
Lillith attempts the seduction.
Only Man has the Choice.
The Last Choice.

"Trebuchet ends with T"

Tiberius

http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/lillith.html

Well, take a look at that- regarding Lillith.* Though... here it is spelt Lilith not Lillith- so I'm hoping Tiberius's spelling was a typo- if not, it's very possible that there are different spellings.

So Lillith is a succubus?

Evidently- *if this is the right Lilith... *Lilith was a pagan godess that the israelites embraced at one point of time in their long history.

So Lillith is a succubus?

Yes, I suppose one could assume that.

Vertumnus, either Tuscan or Latian, is mostly remembered for his shape-shifting power and his seduction of Pomona. He was a Greek diety.

Viracocha seems to have been the being that gave life to the Incas, and in their mythology of the world- created all things.

I could be totally off on this, but it seems with the "choice" of man being listed....it makes me think of determinism vs. free will. Do we only choose our first and last moments? I'm not fully understanding, because if you believe in God you should believe in determinism....but I don't know.

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=9258.msg165399#msg165399
Is Locke Coronzon?? omg I'm so confused now...

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=9258.msg165399#msg165399
Is Locke Coronzon?? omg I'm so confused now...


I don't think Locke is choronzon, but he did seem a little weird after his first encounter with the "monster" if memory serves me right.

I think TOQ's reference to Locke being "both" (if he is, he may not even know that for sure) is that he does good things and bad things....but I think they turn out to be for the good in the end.

Surely Coronzon is the "beast" *(hey, actually... could also be The Beast, as mentioned in the book of Revelation)

My opinion on The Choice. *I've been thinking about this all yesterday and most of today...

The scientists that ran these experiments, and possibly are STILL running, can never decide. *They are always split; divided amongst themselves on whether what they're doing is right or wrong. *In escence- they cannot Choose. *But somehow they have brought this group of people (perhaps they even planned on WHICH people to a degree) to the island, where they ran some of these tests. *And now, whether the survivors will make a conscious choice- or whether they will somehow choose and not realize how much weight their choice carries- ----- *one way or another, I think they will have the final choice deciding the course of mankind. *Perhaps, even, bringing about the End of the world... (depending on their choice ;))

I love this... *:lol2:

I hope you're right BS4.
If not it would have me rethinking all of this, and I don't have that kind of time ;)
Including Boone being the 'sacrificial lamb'.

Interesting how "The House of Sun" pops up.

I also think Choronzon is the beast and he seduced poor Locke. *Locke's choice will be with the "false god". *

Charlie, I'm thinking along those same lines, just haven't thought it all the way out yet. Claire's baby must be the key.

I would like to be able to tie this in to the original Philadelphia/Monuatk Experiments, but I am having quite a bit of trouble.
Maybe in refrence to precession (I know I seem hooked on this).
The constant references to the "Long Count" keep bringing me back to that.

Until I can catch up some more, I found this SHORT description of Vulcan.


VULCAN- (interrestingly not Greek)
The Roman god of fire, especially destructive fire, and craftsmanship. His forge is located beneath Mount Etna. It is here that he, together with his helpers, forges weapons for gods and heroes. Vulcanus is closely associated with Bona Dea with whom he shared the Volcanalia, observed on August 23. This festival took place during the height of the Mediterranean drought and the period of highest risk of fire. On the banks of the river Tiber, fires were lighted on which living fish were sacrificed. His temples were usually located outside the cities, due to the dangerous nature of fire. In 215 BCE his temple on the Circus Flaminius was inaugurated. In Ostia he was the chief god as the protector against fire in the grain storages. He is identified with the Greek Hephaestus.

source (Nothing much new...I copied the whole paragraph.)
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/v/vulcan.html

I also think Choronzon is the beast and he seduced poor Locke. Locke's choice will be with the "false god".

Charlie, I'm thinking along those same lines, just haven't thought it all the way out yet. Claire's baby must be the key.


Yep, I was thinking the same too about Choronzon seducing Locke.
And Locke unwillingly (or unknowingly) sending Boone off to become the sacrificial lamb. But I still believe Shannon is'nt 'our' Shannon and that Boone was'nt dreaming... I can't explain the absence of blood on his shirt though.
The baby would be the first baby born in the New Age though so I don't know about him... I still think he's 'evil' or demonic.

That baby is evil, it's Damien, I'm telling you.

I think the baby is supposed to symbolize our tabula rasa.

Charlie, I'm thinking along those same lines, just haven't thought it all the way out yet. Claire's baby must be the key

Claire's baby... yes. :( I truly fear the baby is something along the lines of what Star said, Damien. Or... since we know that some of these scientists have experimented with cloning FROM the Shroud of Turin (sp?)- Is it possible that the baby was injected with this supposed DNA, and will become the Anti-christ?

Either way, it doesn't look good ;). And I feel bad for the fans of the baby- and CLAIRE :'(

That baby is evil, it's Damien, I'm telling you.

I think the baby is supposed to symbolize our tabula rasa.


Agreed, what do you guys think of Shannon?
Have you noticed how different she's been since Boones "dream"? Almost seductive rather than self-centered. I'm thinking its more than her just growing up and getting over herself.

Kate's words to Claire stick out to me "This baby is all of us". *And the psychic telling Claire the baby needs her goodness, her influence. *So if the "others" or the scientists get their hands on the baby it will become the anti-christ so to speak? *Seeing the baby wrapped in a white blanket with a dark blanket over it seems to symbolize a chance for it to either be good or evil. *

I found this on "The Last Choice" *from an excerpt on "The Council of Choice" * Maybe the few deciding for the many. It is important to note that most powerful of the groups of the council left the choice to Man.

As the last choice was made, an angel appeared before the council. By your words and your deeds, the angel said, you have entered into the realm of good and evil, of God, and his enemy Satan. With your choice you will carry a new responsibility, the responsibility of a soul. >From now on, all the Djinn alive now and yet to be must decide upon their own salvation or damnation.S With a great rending of the sky, the angel disappeared, and each Djinn felt as if a door opened, and another had closed. Soon after, Al-Yazid and his followers bowed before the Prophet, while The Ifriti and the others made ready their resistance.

source: *http://www.ii.uib.no/%7Egeorg/alt/rpg/ars/rules/ArsArabica/node179.html

Agreed, what do you guys think of Shannon?
Have you noticed how different she's been since Boones "dream"? Almost seductive rather than self-centered. I'm thinking its more than her just growing up and getting over herself.


This made me think of something Locke said to Boone after his "dream". "Is that what it made you see?" Was he referring to the beast? Shannon wasn't really Shannon in the dream but the beast itself. As far as Shannon's personality change..I'm not sure, are you thinking she is becoming more like Lilith the seducer?

That's exactly what he's thinking, I believe.* If it's not- it sure is what I'M thinking* :lol2:* Or perhaps not literally Lilith, maybe that was just metaphorical.* We know that Choronzon is a shape shifter, and is known for taking on the shape of a female.* A female seductress even.* What better way is there...

yep :vampire:

Dang... I almost hope we're wrong. :P

Okay, so she's seducing Sayid..for what purpose and why him? Because he's middle eastern..ties to the original garden of Eden.

Lol, this is just getting to be so much fun...but my head might implode in the end!! :lol2:

I gotta say... if we're right about all of this I say good! It serves ABC right for making us wait so freak'n long between eppys and shoving repeats down our throats so they can clean house in May Sweeps. I know its not the writers fault so really it sucks for them too. In my opinion, ABC does'nt realize how good of a show this is. I would'nt be surprised if REPEATS of Lost would still beat whatever NBC CBS and FOX has to offer. Shame on ABC.

Anyway,
Cinamin, I'm not sure Choronzon won't be seducing (or try anyway) ALL of them... right now it looks like he's working on Jack ("Don't tell me what I can't do")

It serves ABC right for making us wait so freak'n long


To add: not that ABC loses anything if we're right... we do and the writers do.

I think I am going to buy a book or two today on these experiments at the bookstore....if I do and come across anythign interesting I'll be sure to post.

I can't explain the absence of blood on his shirt though.




I recall thinking that that scene was weird because Shannon had no blood on her, just gaping wounds?
Am I recalling correctly??

Vyasa looks a lot like Jesus. *

Cradle of Humanity refers to a geographical area, Christians believed to be the birthplace of humankind.
Could the numbers be coordinates there??

Check out this site on Dutch Schultz, he was a New York City area gangster in the 20's and 30's. *He made his fortune bootlegging and The Numbers racket in Harlem. *He is also famous for his "death speech"

http://www.bway.net/~abbot/dutch1.html

Check out all the similarities to Lost like 16, John, case, numbers, 23, murder etc.

E.L. Doctorow's PEN/Faulkner award winning "Billy Bathgate" - dramatizes the last 3 months of Shultz's life, as seen though the "eyes" of a young "boy", who becomes his "protege"

Is there a correlation between rust, brandy and his strange stream of consciousness babble??


BS4 - I almost ordered the Da Vinci Code on line yesterday, and talked myself out of it.* *:lol2:

I gotta say... if we're right about all of this I say good! It serves ABC right for making us wait so freak'n long between eppys and shoving repeats down our throats so they can clean house in May Sweeps. I know its not the writers fault so really it sucks for them too. In my opinion, ABC does'nt realize how good of a show this is. I would'nt be surprised if REPEATS of Lost would still beat whatever NBC CBS and FOX has to offer. Shame on ABC.

Actually, I think ABC realizes all to well how good of a show they have- and they're milking it.

walt- You really think the Da Vinci Code would help us? Seems to me like most of the stuff in that book has been disproven though, so I wouldn't spend my money on it. ;)

Lol, this is just getting to be so much fun...but my head might implode in the end!!

Tell me about it!! I'm not the least bit disapointed that I know what's going on now (at least we think we know ;)) I'm thrilled to see it play out in the way we think it will! ;D

Charlie, my inner common sense took over.* I'm too scared to use credit card NUMBERS on line anyways.* *:-\* *Glad to know it would have been a waste of time and money.

What do you think of all the similarities in Shultz's story?
Was he a time traveler?

I read an article from the writers about what they have learned from past shows, and won't make those mistakes with Lost.
1 - The questions must be answered
2 - Beware of too much mythology
3 - It's about characters, Stupid!

Preview spoilers, don't look if you don't want to be spoiled.

Sun will mysteriously go missing.* Sawyers back story connects with the Jack and Shannon / Boone stories.* We will see why Sawyer popped up in the cop shop. We will find out who hit Sayid, cuz they will confess.* The raft will set sail.*

I've been thinking about the Angelic War that Tiberius referred to. *
"The Long Count began when the Angelic war ended." *I'm wondering if he's referring to Revelations 12:1-17. *Here's a link to it:

http://home.flash.net/~saints/war.htm

"A war was fought because Man was created with the freedom of Choice. *That freedom was the first Singularity":

SI:1 - the classic "First Singularity" or basic transapient state. At this level intelligence, cognative and problem-solving abilities and information processing work thousands of times faster than in the case of standard sapients. An entity of this nature is usually able to coordinate a nanocyborg or a living metal body, as well as solve problems of physics, mathematics, economics, programming, etc that no nearbaseline could solve *

Our island has created the First Singularity, a artificial intelligence, and if allowed to continue will bring about the End with the Last Singularity? *

I've been trying to work this one out this afternoon... :laugh:

Walt...do you think were getting too "mythological?" :D

The thing I can't get my mind around is, if it is a Natural Occurrence, how does good and evil and God etc fit in.


God runs accession and the Devil runs decession? (is that word right?)

Oh ye precious Children of God

You know not the Power you possess
The Fallen have no power over you.
They can only mislead you.
Man stands at the brink of change
This small opera has a greater Truth

Tiberius

anyone else besides me live near Montauk?

Another one today? I'm still working on the last one Tiberius.!! :laugh:

Trebuchet ends with T has me stumped. The only thing I came up with was a picture of the Trebuchet that Locke & Boone made. The end or the "ram" part of it looks like a "T", or a cross.

Our island has created the First Singularity, a artificial intelligence, and if allowed to continue will bring about the End with the Last Singularity?

Yes, the beast/creature. But the question I have is... Is the beast the First Singularity, or the Last?

anyone else besides me live near Montauk?

Nope... don't even know where it is for sure. :laugh:

Oh ye precious Children of God

You know not the Power you possess
The Fallen have no power over you.
They can only mislead you.
Man stands at the brink of change
This small opera has a greater Truth

Hmm... I understand all of that, except the end. Very true. This small opera has a greater truth...

This small opera has a greater Truth


The show of LOST is the small opera

Sator = God or Saviour.
Arepo = Plough
Tenet = Rules
Opera = The Works of Man
Rotas = The Creation

I think the word opera could refer to the works of man...
I don't remember where I got this, but it is one of the links I have posted previously.

The end or the "ram" part of it looks like a "T", or a cross.*



That's probably it. We hadn't figured that out, and passed over that clue, was he giving us a friendly reminder?

anyone else besides me live near Montauk?

I do, kinda. I live on Long Island (only for another week though) maybe an hour and a half from it. Been there many times. The sunrise there is incredible.

Homo ecce

There exist a Hero among you.
He stands before the congress of the Great Nation.
The first to take up the Terran cause.
He is the son of Cain
Seek him out for he is the first
He has begun to define the Choice
The Singularity
The Choice

Tiberius

Dude, three in one day? Where are you getting all of these riddles from?

LEET? is it really you?

lol, I ish NOT leet!! lol! I haven't even got the slightest clue what that means, if anything. :P So for all I know, you're cussing me out in Japanese or soemthing :laugh:

Enoch , in the Bible. 1. Son for whom Cain named the city he built. 2. Father of Methuselah. It was said of him that he walked with God—a phrase used also of Noah—and also that like Elijah he was translated to heaven. An alternate form is Henoch.

LOL
"Um, that was weird. *For about two minutes, my post count wasn't 13-- it was "leet" *What... was... that?"
wasn't that you before, charlie?

Homo ecce


"Ecce Homo" is Latin for "Behold the Man"
One of Neitzsche's works titled "Ecce Homo" is subtitled “How One Becomes What One Is”


There exist a Hero among you.
He stands before the congress of the Great Nation.


2-* The Arabs, whom Islam came from, are the descendents of Ishmael, and they are the "great nation" along with all Muslims.
link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ishmael_great_nation.htm


The first to take up the Terran cause.
He is the son of Cain
Seek him out for he is the first
He has begun to define the Choice
The Singularity
The Choice

Tiberius



Any new info about this riddle, I will edit into this post. I hope that's OK with you guys.

Do you guys know where i can find the lyrics to Charlies song "you all everybody"? I got a hunch...

Don't know. Seach Driveshaft on google. There's a few fansites (if not more ;))

Thanks, you just put this thread over 200 post Charlie ;D

Kate's words to Claire stick out to me "This baby is all of us". *



She said this baby is all of ours.* *;)

yes "this baby is all of ours"
and i googled for the lyrics, but i couldn't find em. good luck!

Thanks, you just put this thread over 200 post Charlie *

Totally awesome. *Glad to do it. :) *

Oh and, btw, you can call me "leet" I suppose, Naughty Paws. ;) *And yes that was me earlier ;D lol, I suppose I now have a nickname... ;)

i shall add this to the saywer's nickname thread ;)
its in the sawyer thread

I got a hunch...


Swing and a miss...

And no offense Charlie fans, but that song is awful :sick: :lol2:

hahaha! Post the lyrics, please, I've gotta see this. :lol2:

I think we're all googling at the same time...you guys are quick! I found this on Enoch...

Jude 1:14-15 [14] Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, [15] to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

Anyone got anything on the Terran cause?

driveshaft -- you all everybody
_______________________________


you all everybody
you all everybody
acting like you're stupid people
wearing expensive clothes

you all everybody
you all everybody

you all everybody

you all everybody
(you all everybody)
you all everybody

acting like you're stupid people
wearing expensive clothes

you all
(you all everybody)
you all everybody

you all everybody
you all everybody

You can find the mp3 in Googles cache

Yep cinamin, a page or two back

Wow, that song must of took forever to write.....

Nope. *I've googled myself out today... and spent too much time on here ;). *So I think (for tonight) I'll leave this last part to you guys. *

OnAon- *dude... that does stink. * :D

Tiberius, I am still politely waiting for you to tell us who you are. *:)

Anyone got anything on the Terran cause?


Terran Hugo : But you Cosmists are prepared to take the risk that these Artilects, these artificial intellects may one day decide that the human species is so inferior to them that they wipe us out. Think of the cost.

Cosmist Hugo : Ah, but think of the prize. These artilects could be trillions of trillions of trillions of times more intelligent than human beings. They could have virtually unlimited memory capacity, a huge number of sensors. They could go wherever they like, do whatever they like, be superb scientists, they would be gods

haven't we heard that before?

Nope. I've googled myself out today... and spent too much time on here ;). So I think (for tonight) I'll leave this last part to you guys.
You aint kiddin... I've Googled so much the past 3 weeks that I get dizzy now when I even sit at my computer.

OnAon- dude... that does stink. :D
:lol2: I found the MP3 first so I had to sit through listening to it before I found those lyrics, had I only searched a bit further... :laugh:

Thanks for repeat OnAon...I've read so much the past couple days my brain hasn't absorbed it all yet. It might not ever absorb it all!! :laugh:

Youch, about the MP3, lol. *

You aint kiddin... I've Googled so much the past 3 weeks that I get dizzy now when I even sit at my computer.

Oh my word *:o, I've got that too! *The dizzy thing. *I think, seriously, we may want to take a small break. *I'm talking one day. ;)

Oh my word *:o, I've got that too! *The dizzy thing. *I think, seriously, we may want to take a small break. *I'm talking one day. ;)


Agreed...I'm going to try and compile what we have into a list.
Wish me luck.* ;D

No problem Cinamin, I know EXACTLY what ya mean ;)


Youch, about the MP3, lol.

Oh my word :o, I've got that too! The dizzy thing. I think, seriously, we may want to take a small break. I'm talking one day. ;)

Thats freaky, I was almost going to ask if anyone else had this... now I'm afraid to. I really have'nt been myself the past day or two. Ah the power of the mind.

Agreed...I'm going to try and compile what we have into a list.
Wish me luck. Please do Connundrum, GOOD luck and Thanks!

Agreed...I'm going to try and compile what we have into a list.
Wish me luck. *;D



That would be perfect connundrum! *Thanks in advance!! *(and good luck!! :laugh:)

connundrum- *Good luck * :-\ *I'll be looking forward to that.

I think I'll take most of tomorrow off... maybe some of you will decide to do the same. *I don't want to see any of you suddenly keel over because of this whole thing. *;D

:lol:
I'll try and take a break too, but its so fascinating that I keep comin back.

:) Goodnight, guys.

nite, leet

lol leet I like it
g'night all

Hi Tib

I'll take one more today. ;)

For Helen

I Fell at your Begining.
I became a Watcher.
I share this dying paradise with you.
A simple soldier of the oldest war.
God in His infinite wisdom made me a Teacher.
I serve Man and the Long Count.
Take what you have learned and teach.
To teach is to learn twice.
Seek out the Senator.
The son of Cain.

I remain your humble servant.

Tiberius

I have almost finished the compilation post....
I am thinking of starting a new thread...

"Our thoughts on Tiberius"
Objections?

conundrum

I think that's a great idea. I spend half my time, going back and looking at the clues.

It would be nice to have it all together, and flowing.

Go for it. Are you going to call it Tiberius or something more mysterious?

someone please share with me...what is this tiberius stuff? ;)

We are as in the dark as you.

He has been giving us clues, I think were up to 8 now.

They are all in this thread, go have a look and blow your mind.

I once was blind, but now I see

Arepo the Planter set the wheel of twelve spokes to rotate.
A the Point of each spoke a choice is made by Man.
When a generation lost the Long Count a Teacher was sent.
To the Egyptians he was VOEO.
To the Inca he was Viracocha.
To the Indian he was Vyasa.
To the Greek he was Vulcan.
To the Norse he was Ve.
To the Roman he was Vertumnus.
The Long Count must be kept.
The Choice is never simple.
The " Venom of God" leads the deception.
Lillith attempts the seduction.
Only Man has the Choice.
The Last Choice.

"Trebuchet ends with T"

Tiberius



The "Venom of God"

This title refers to Sammael (Hebrew "VOG") as executioner of the death sentences ordered by God, and links him to the Angel of Death.

Sammael plays the role of the accuser, seducer and destroyer.

He is the 1st of all the angel princes and of the highest throne.* He led a group of angels to earth in an attempt to conspire against Adam, so that by his fall, they night again supremacy over man (meaning going into decession (no one answered me it this was a word???))* Is it secession?

Samuel, as an uncircumcised mate of Lilith's (who planted the vine that tempted Eve), fathered a huge family of demons.* Why would being uncircumcised by relevant, besides the obvious???

In the Cannibalistic tradition, Samuel is the chief of the 10 evil Sephiroth.* He is said to fly through the air like a bird.* The dark blemishes on the moon are said to be the archdemons excrement.

In Greek = Samael
Slavic = Satanael
Jews = Sammael is the prince of demons
Rabbinical legend he is a storm demon = Samiel, Simoon

He is said to have 12 wings double the wings of Seraphim and other living creatures.

In T.B. Abuda Zarah, Sammael is represented as standing by a dying man with a drawn sword in his hand.

Wicked Angel, who is the chief of all Satans.

ummm......
dunno if this has been mentioned here on the 'Lage but...
What the hell is THIS?!? Have we already seen Choronzon???
llink removed****
I have no clue how genuine this pic is, I found it on another forum, but WOW!!!!!!!
Can someone who has the eppy check if its in there for real?

am i supposed to see a face in the explosion?? like in the stone under the small plane

am i supposed to see a face in the explosion?? like in the stone under the small plane


no, look carefully and you'll see something swoop in and hit the engine and swoop up. Almost looks like it if flying

isnt that a flying piece of metal? things were still flying around and blowing up and such at that point!
still falling from the sky even

It very well could be, there is debris flying around the whole scene but is the debris there tomake this 'thing' less obvious to see?
It looks like its actually flying and in control of its flight.

i dunno. i dont think it's anything special. i won't butt in anymore. im off the train lolol

i dunno. i dont think it's anything special. i won't butt in anymore. im off the train lolol


nah... don't feel like you're 'butting in", a one-sided conversation is never a good thing.

GOG AND MAGOG


"For than xall gogmangog nere ***~~~~~ For then shall Gogmagog here ***

Owte of the mownts of calpye. ~~~~~Out of the mountains of Calpye.

That god closyd all & sum. ~~~~~That God closed all and sum.

At Alexandyrs prayere suyrly. ~~~~~At Alexander's prayer surely.

They xall dystroy all crystendome. ~~~~~They shall destroy all Christendom.

They xall *** owt so hydowysly. ~~~~~They shall come out so hideously.

Men all most wax defe & dum. ~~~~~Men all must wax deaf and dumb.

Gog and Magog and Nawal the Kings of the sons of Japhet.

That was my 1st attempt at copying and pasting, and it worked.* *:party:

OnAonXM, I see it, and it don't look like a natural flight path.* If it hit just when there was an explosion, would its flight path be so smooth?* I think not.* It looks like its in control.* *;D

OnAonXM, I see it, and it don't look like a natural flight path. If it hit just when there was an explosion, would its flight path be so smooth? I think not. It looks like its in control. ;D

:vampire:

I have finished (yeah, right) the first few riddles and will be posting them soon.
(They should be up in a few minutes.)
Please check them out and PM me if you have anything to add.

Interesting site on The Watcher

http://www.mt.net/%7Ewatcher/endtimedelusion.html

Did he at 1st join with Sammael, and come back as a Watcher / Teacher as redemption?

I found this post in here from Feb13/05

Well, The Watcher over on TORC quoted the writers as saying that they were amazed at how dead on some fan theories.

Baal, Satan, the serpent, the high ones, the "gods who are not gods", pretending to be aliens shall perish at the "time of visitation" when Christ returns. *Tribulation.

On a map at this site, beside the # 108 is xi' an * * *Does that mean anything?

Koran - Iblees (Satan) father of "the jinn", who was amid the angels.... *(still a good one?)

Christ builds the Millennial Temple of Ezekiel 40.

Well, The Watcher over on TORC quoted the writers as saying that they were amazed at how dead on some fan theories.




Awsome!
Whats TORC? (now its me having the "blonde moment" :laugh: )

Hi Tib, *thanks for the treat *:-*

Enoch thou scribe of justice, go, announce to the watchers of Heaven, who have left the high heaven and the holy, eternal place and have contaminated themselves with women [the rebel angels degrade themselves when they left their own God given bodies to dwell in the offspring they created through genetic tampering]

The rebel angels will oversee a "breeding" campaign involving humans, resulting in supernatural offspring.


Daniell ll describes the Antichrist

"He shall not regard the God of his fathers, YHWH, nor the desire of women, nor love any god, for he shall magnify himself above all. *But in his place he shall honor the god of fortresses and he shall honor a god whom his fathers (the Jews), did not know (literally, AN ALIEN GOD)"

The god of fortresses in Hebrew is Ala Mahozine.

YHWH looks familiar?

OnAonXM, I didn't know what TORC meant either, I was hoping 1 of you did. :lol2:

OnAonXM, I didn't know what TORC meant either, I was hoping 1 of you did. :lol2:


Training Online Resource Centre for Archaeology?


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btw connundrum, great job on that thread but I get the feeling it'll be near impossible to include everything we've found so hopefully that'll at least pop their interest enough to read through all of this. Great job none the less. Big thumbs up to you!

UFO sightings in the holy land

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/sitings2.html

Gog could be a person and Magog could be a Nation or Tribe?

YHWH is a Tetragammaton (like VOEO) that has been found in the 2000 year old Dead Sea Scrolls.

Jewish tradition is the the true name of god YHWH, not be spoken, for fear that the name will be blasphemied.

.........we are told to praise and call on His name.

YWHW - 4 Hebrew Yod He Waw He transliterated IAUE or Yahweh (God's true name)

Yhwh, the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel - God, Lord, Jehovah, Elohim, Adonai, El, Ehye-Asher-Ehyeh, Shaddai.

Isaiah 33:22 For YHWH is our judge, YHWH is our law giver, YHWH is our sovereign; he will save us.

YHWH and Elohim frequently occur with the word tzevaot and sabaoth (hosts or armies)

Yeah, it's Yahweh. I was about to point that out. ;D

Very interesting what we're finding here... in essence, it looks as if this is saying that the fallen angels will come to earth and could be the "UFO's" that have been seen. Right?

Hi guys!* Still at work* :P* but managed to do a little googling.* Check this out under
Admiral M :

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:sCmH3O-WJRUJ:media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/9X/04712282/047122829X.pdf+slew+mccain+philadelphia+&hl=en

It's about the generations of Admiral McCains...which Arizona Senator John McCain is the grandson of.

Here's something else to read through...

http://www.geocities.com/ww2cvl/cab23cvl.html

Good tie in there cinamin.
*applause*
I haven't read it yet, but it sure seems to fit the clues.