Locke said that Boone was "a sacrifice the island demanded." He was having visions/dreams and loosing his ability to walk. Then when he led Boone to the plane Boone died. Then the metaphorical "box" gives him what he wants.

Then in Catch 22, there were references to the Abraham and Issac story and the Desmond is having these visions of Charlie dying and then Penny (or someone) coming to the island. Aren't there some parallels here. Was the island testing Desmond? Did he not get Penny because he saved Charlie?

And this brings up the question: Did Locke know that Boone would die in that plane?

Locke didn't know because he was telling Boone to get out of it before it fell.

Locke calling Boone "the sacrifice the island demanded" to me alsways seemed like a way to justify that he brought Boone into the situation in which he got injured. Or maybe to Locke it was, because he hoped that after Boone's death he'd be lead to discover more secrets of the island.
As far as Desmond's catch-22 is concerned, I think here the idea of sacrificing something is slightly different. Here it's not about sacrificing Charlie. To me it's more that Desmond is stuck with either finally giving up his attempt s to rescue Charlie in hopes that Penny will be finding them, or he'll have to give up his love for Penny in hipes that this will save Charlie.

Well, both saw visions of death. Locke's was not as straight forward as Desmond and Locke was a little preoccupied with getting the hatch open - more so than anyone's safety.

Desmond got some practice seeing Charlie die. Locke didn't get that with Boone. Was Charlie a sacrifice the island demanded of Desmond? He thought it was based on his flashbacks. He was completely ready to sacrifice Charlie til his conscience got a hold of him. I think he misinterpreted his vision. He was meant to save Charlie. As for Locke, he wasn't following the vision with the intent to let Boone die. Although a case could be made that if he had seen a clearer result he would have still gone through with it.

Locke said that Boone was "a sacrifice the island demanded." He was having visions/dreams and loosing his ability to walk. Then when he led Boone to the plane Boone died. Then the metaphorical "box" gives him what he wants.

Then in Catch 22, there were references to the Abraham and Issac story and the Desmond is having these visions of Charlie dying and then Penny (or someone) coming to the island. Aren't there some parallels here. Was the island testing Desmond? Did he not get Penny because he saved Charlie?

And this brings up the question: Did Locke know that Boone would die in that plane?

I always thought "no", but the parallel between the two situations is intriguing.
Maybe Locke saw more than we did. His yelling could have been him changing his mind after Boone got up there.

I'm sorry but Locke knew he was leading Boone to harm. Locke isn't stupid. He had seen a vision of Boone covered in blood. Everything else in Lockes vision was coming true so he had to realise that Boone covered in blood was gonna come true also. And like Desmond neglected to tell Charlie about his arrow death, Locke told Boone everything about his vision except the part with Boone covered in blood. That is quite an omission.

And yet despite the bloody vision, Locke still sent Boone up to investigate an unstable aircraft. I think Locke knew what he was doing. He was driven by his need to get into the hatch, just like Desmond was driven by his need to see Penny again. Locke yelling "Boone, get out of there!" could be compared to Desmonds "Charlie duck!" At the last minute their conscience catches up with them and they are more concerned for Boone/Charlies lives.

Locke/Desmond are similar characters - both slightly-crazed men of faith. I'd say Des is more moral and rational than Locke. Boone/Charlie are similar too - both very inept young men, followers rather than leaders. Charlie is possibly a little less guillible than Boone was, which means he won't fall into the lamb to the slaughter role so easily.

Locke said that Boone was "a sacrifice the island demanded." He was having visions/dreams and loosing his ability to walk. Then when he led Boone to the plane Boone died. Then the metaphorical "box" gives him what he wants.

Then in Catch 22, there were references to the Abraham and Issac story and the Desmond is having these visions of Charlie dying and then Penny (or someone) coming to the island. Aren't there some parallels here. Was the island testing Desmond? Did he not get Penny because he saved Charlie?

And this brings up the question: Did Locke know that Boone would die in that plane?

I don't think Locke foresaw Boone's death a la Charlie. But I definitely think Locke is in communion with the island and therby his actions or fate based on his faith are a result of it.

Now here is another parallell to note: Desmond took a vow of silence to become a monk. Eko didn't speak for about 30 days (I don't recall exactly) and Locke was unable to speak after the hatch implosion/explosion. All three of those characters can be compared in that they all are/were men of faith and all 3 were tasked with pushing the button at some point. Of the three Desmond is the only one to have (apparently) found true Love.

This is connected to another thread that I started: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=76893

Sorry, I know its long. And I don't actually buy into all the conclusions I came to. I was just having some fun. But at the same time, the parallels between the characters are quite compelling, IMO.

I think that after looking at the evidence, one can certainly reasonably come to the conclusion that Locke's "communion" with the island very well may come in the form of visions like Des has been having. That's what I think at this point. I definately think him yelling for Boone to get out was just his conscience kicking in too late, but his comment about how he should have never even let Boone come along on the hunting trips in the first place also indicated to me that he knew something bad was going to happen even before they found the hatch.

So, maybe Locke just THOUGHT Boone was a sacrifice demanded by the island because he saw it in a vision. The different choices Des and Locke made really are in keeping with their overall character, but this isn't the place for that analysis.

I don't think Locke knew. He was simply trying to explain it to himself after the fact. Locke seems to have this amazing ability to justify (rationalize?) his actions in a way that makes him look nobel and insightful and makes others look like disconnected, clueless chumps who are so dim and out of touch with the island that they just can't grasp the big picture. Seems like a little man of no significance, at least in his former life, trying to make himself appear to be exactly the opposite.
He told Charlie (or someone) that everyone gets a fresh start on the island, right? Locke is trying to recreate himself in the image he always longed to have. He always wanted to be special!

I don't think Locke knew. He was simply trying to explain it to himself after the fact. Locke seems to have this amazing ability to justify (rationalize?) his actions in a way that makes him look nobel and insightful and makes others look like disconnected, clueless chumps who are so dim and out of touch with the island that they just can't grasp the big picture. Seems like a little man of no significance, at least in his former life, trying to make himself appear to be exactly the opposite.
He told Charlie (or someone) that everyone gets a fresh start on the island, right? Locke is trying to recreate himself in the image he always longed to have. He always wanted to be special!

VERY good character analysis, I must say. You very well may be right, but I'd like to posit that its this very character issue you describe that is what is making Locke choose to keep his visions to himself and to choose to let Boone die, where as Des, who has resigned himself to his insignifigance, doesn't even see the heroism of his choosing to save Charlie.

I'm sorry but Locke knew he was leading Boone to harm. Locke isn't stupid. He had seen a vision of Boone covered in blood. Everything else in Lockes vision was coming true so he had to realise that Boone covered in blood was gonna come true also.

I'm sorry but there's never been any evidence of that. Locke's vision contained images of the present And the past, and Locke had no frame of reference for the "Theresa falls up the stairs, falls down the stairs" (as he demonstrated by Asking Boone who she was) and for all Locke knew that could have been from Boone's past. The words that Boone was speaking while he was covered in blood were from the past, and that's why the vision always seemed "tricky" to me.

If Locke saw more than we did then it's very possible that he may have set Boone up though.

Well if I was Locke leading Boone on my vision quest I would do him the honour of telling him the FULL vision. Why didn't Locke tell Boone that he saw him covered in blood? Surely that is worth mentioning especially to Boone himself.

Personally I would suggest Locke didn't tell Boone about all the blood for roughly the same reason Desmond didn't tell Charlie about the arrow through the neck. If Boone knew he probably would have been freaked and wanting to turn back. He certainly might have been more reluctant to climb up to the plane. Well, I would be!

I think Locke was very sly with Boone. He kept him in the dark about a significant part of his vision. Then he lied to his doctor and abandoned him on his deathbed (some friend?!). Maybe Locke didn't anticipate Boones death but he should have anticipated something bad from such a gory vision and warned Boone about what he saw.

Maybe Locke saw more than we did. His yelling could have been him changing his mind after Boone got up there.


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I don't think Locke knew. He was simply trying to explain it to himself after the fact. Locke seems to have this amazing ability to justify (rationalize?) his actions in a way that makes him look nobel and insightful and makes others look like disconnected, clueless chumps who are so dim and out of touch with the island that they just can't grasp the big picture. Seems like a little man of no significance, at least in his former life, trying to make himself appear to be exactly the opposite.
He told Charlie (or someone) that everyone gets a fresh start on the island, right? Locke is trying to recreate himself in the image he always longed to have. He always wanted to be special!


But there was more going on in that scene. Boone went up there because Locke was have a relapse of his paralysis. That had to be something metaphysical or psycological.
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I never quite knew what to think about the events that went on between Locke and Boone and the plane, but after seeing what happened in this ep. I definitely think there is more going on in Locke's head than we have been privy to. Remember how he used to be able to predict the rain. I think he knew Boone was going to die and then tried to save him at the last minute. I also think that when he was loosing the ability to walk at that time that it was a "threat" from the island. Then, since he fulfilled the "sacrifice" he was able to open the hatch.

How funny that Desmond was in the hatch and that light coming on was him when he heard Locke pounding on the hatch saying "What else do you want me to do?" And that was the moment that saved Desmond's life because he was about to commit suicide. Then fast forward a few weeks and Desmond is given a mission involving Charlie's life.


I do see the difference though, in that Desmond has been saving Charlie's life over and over again until now. But maybe that's part of the "island's test". First Desmond had to establish faith that his visions were real and would come true, then he was given the order of sacrifice.

Well if I was Locke leading Boone on my vision quest I would do him the honour of telling him the FULL vision. Why didn't Locke tell Boone that he saw him covered in blood?

Locke didn't tell him about the wheelchair or his mother either and they were in the vision. He told him what he thought was pertinent to his mission. He wouldn't have even told him about the Theresa thing at all if Boone didn't doubt the vision.

Then he lied to his doctor and abandoned him on his deathbed (some friend?!).

He also carried him miles through the jungle on legs that were barely working.

Maybe Locke didn't anticipate Boones death but he should have anticipated something bad from such a gory vision and warned Boone about what he saw.

I still don't see why he wouldn't think that was from the past since what Boone was saying at the time Was from the past.