Y'all gotta check this out!

Apparently, there have been repeating sequences of numbers from shortwave repeaters for years. Many transmitted in languages other than English.

No one knows what they are, where they come from, etc. They appear to be a relic from the cold war or possibly earlier. Many experts agree they are generated from the intelligence community (CIA, KGB, etc)

Experts contest that the messages are unbreakable using standard ciphers/code pads/etc.



THIS IS VERY STRANGE.... but true.

Follow these links to the proof. There's a 13 minute NPR radio show that you can download ALL about these numbers.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1074687

http://www.dxing.com/numbers.htm

very cool.

Those are awesome links kgmaus. Thanks.

Interesting links. Thanks for the info. Now if we only knew why.

Ok, I can go with this ---- say it's a relic from the Cold War or WWII....perhaps the hatch is from that time as well.* But, why? Hmmmm

Well the hatch certainly looks like WWII or so vintage.

One little hitch with the SW repeater idea is that WE KNOW THE NUMBERS HAVE SIGNIFICANCE. They are inscribed on the hatch. OTOH, the sender of the message may have known who would be listening, and chose to broadcast the numbers on the hatch, knowing they would be mistaken for a crytographic key.

I know LOTS of the folk here are hoping for a big mysterious who-ha about the number and the hatch.

But you have to admit... all the pieces do fit together.

1.A concrete bunker buried on a desserted island.
2.A hatch/bunker complex that could certainly pass for 1950's technology. (the hatch looks VERY similar to those manufactured for submarines/nuclear test facilities/military in the 50's)
3.A transmission tower on same said island repeating a series of numbers over and over again.
4.A mysterious cable leading "in from" or "out to" sea. (Power supply?)
5.Nearly ALL military equipment is stamped with nomenclature corresponding to it's purpose (divison/troop/etc)
6.Trip wires and clamores...

This REAKS of cold war left overs.

oooh, I love the possible tie-in to the KGB/CIA or other spy organization. After all, this is JJ Abrams, creator of Alias.

It seems to me there is some soft-of government conspiracy going on here. I still think Danielle wasn't telling the whole truth about being on a "science" mission--she might have been involved in French nuclear testing or something else involving top-secret government stuff.

What I can't make sense of is how those exact numbers came up in the lottery. The only thing that makes seems plausable to me at this point is some kind-of conspiracy. But then, if they were fixing the lottery, how would they know Hurley would play those numbers? Eek...my brain hurts now.

But yeah, I do like the idea of cold war relics being involved.

Thanks, I'll definately check those out. I do remember those theories sort-of, but I need a refresher course.

1.A concrete bunker buried on a desserted island.
2.A hatch/bunker complex that could certainly pass for 1950's technology.* (the hatch looks VERY similar to those manufactured for submarines/nuclear test facilities/military in the 50's)


IMO the bunker appears to be all steel, even where the numbers are stenciled. The numbers would have to most likely stamped at time of manufacturing. Stamping steel isn't a science, but requires special die stamps and a heavy hammer to indent the steel especially if the steel has been heat treated to give it strength. It's highly unlikely someone happened on the hatch and decided to put those numbers on it with a few random items in their backpack. Also, if the bunker/hatch is as old as it appears to be it has held up very well considering the environment. Even though it is partially buried it is still exposed in an uncontrolled environment - sea mist, salt, ultraviolet rays, water/rain, acidity from soil? It does give off an 1950's appearance, like compairing the Apollo capsule to the Space Shuttle designs. A Fallout shelter comes to mind as well and they were quite popular in the 1950's too.
Still those numbers were put there way back in the day and they have a meaning. Some that comes to my mind are.
Steel Codes, Heat No., Serial numbers.
Launch codes, combination lock codes.
(This is a far one i even looked them up)..Chapters in the book Watership Down, yes there are 50 chapters in there.

great articles!!!

now, if i read the articles right, who are the numbers meant for?

Finally! People who are buying into some government conspiracy like I am!

I think the find Kgmaus found is excellent. If the hatch and everything else is from the Cold war, WWII era, I'm not much of a history buff, but wasn't that the same time that nuclear bombs were first being used, and possibly the government believed one would be let loose that could destroy most of the world, and built this hatch as some sort of bunker for protection. There may be all sorts of supplies to live off of in there, hm.


The only thing still bothering me is the lottery, is that part of a conspiracy, or was it simply purely coincidential.

If, as 'They' say, everything can be explained by science or psuedo-science... then maybe it's a combination of what's being discussed here.

So we've got this government military operation doing who knows what, for whatever reasons (The hatch, the radio tower, the cable on the beach) and on top of it there is a 'supernatural element' that is introduced. Maybe when the set up on the island they stumbled across some wacky hoo doo. Some Gov't set up there to begin with and stumbles across the same mysteries. Danielle and crew show up, and now she's stuck on the island. Now our Lostaways are on the island. Whatever the mysterious force is that is behind it all, it keeps drawing people to the island.

The fact that Hurley played the lottery was just one more coincidence. What if anyone else who heard Leonard repeating those numbers got out of the psych ward and played them... would they now be on "Crap-hole Island?" Moot point.

Bess that is a really cool website, thanks for posting :) I only skimmed through it I'll have to read it all later.....but French Polynesian, Danielle is French Polynesian.

A lot of interesting things here. Just posting so I can find this again and add to it.

What about this...

Somehow the numbers brought everyone close to each other. Until finally they were all on the plane together. Once all together they subconsciencely forced the plane to the island. Once there, the others new they were coming becasue they called them. They used a super dense magnetic field to bring the plane down on the island.

So the numbers brought them all together, whether directly, like in Hurly's case, or indirectly. I think something happened to all these people 4 years ago. I don't know what yet.

I don't know.... here's the BIG question I just can't get... a numbers station broadcasts numbers but it's stopped when Danielle gets there. Two guys hear the numbers, one goes nuts and the other uses them...

Oh... he used the numbers 4 years ago... to win the bean contest... as a result, Michael has bad luck and Locke has bad luck (they were both in accidents) who else had problems 4 yrs ago? Just like when Hurley used the numbers bad things happened to people around him.

This coincides with the bodies in the caves found 50 years ago.

Oh... he used the numbers 4 years ago... to win the bean contest... as a result, Michael has bad luck and Locke has bad luck (they were both in accidents) who else had problems 4 yrs ago? Just like when Hurley used the numbers bad things happened to people around him.


Probably not an important point, but Michael's accident was 8 years ago, not four. (He was sending Walt a b-day card from the hospital. Walt was about to turn 2, and he's 10 now).

But, there must be some significance to the 4 years thing. If you're right and the guy won the bean contest four years ago, then maybe that was the first time the numbers were used outside of the island. Thus, the "box" was opened, and spread mayhem everywhere. Or something.


This coincides with the bodies in the caves found 50 years ago.


True--would have been the perfect time period for cold-war weapon testing. I wish one of the castawyers were a forensics expert who could examine the bones and clothing for clues about the two people. But that would be just too convenient. :)

Did anyone else have an eight-years-ago deal in their flashback?* I remember at one point they all seemed like four year references, or references to the number 16, so I wasn't looking for an 8, and I forgot about Michael's accident.*

OKay...

So the signals are sent out every 4 years....???

To "catch" a new group?

But now it's the French distress signal, and has been for 16 years -- according to what information we've been given anyway.* So what's drawing people to the island now -- just using the numbers?* *

(What year was it when the original two guys heard numbers signal, does anyone remember?)*

16 years ago 1988 the same as Danielle. I think they heard the same transmission even though there is no solid proof of that.

That's an interesting new theory* But the plane lost radar while it was still on track to L.A., so whatever caused it to do that it was a thousand miles away from the island according to the pilot's calculations.* And Danielle changed the numbers to a distress call 16-some years ago according to the iteration math.* But Sayid's math could be wrong.

(And there's another way to look at "Numbers" -- maybe we're getting the wrong ones from everyone.* The pilot was wrong about the thousand miles, Sayid was wrong about the 16 years, and so on.)

And Danielle changed the numbers to a distress call 16-some years ago according to the iteration math. But Sayid's math could be wrong.


I think this has been mentioned elsewhere, but how do we know that the counter reset when Danielle changed the messege? The iterations could have started from the initial broadcast of the numbers, and just kept going when Danielle changed the transmittion. Thus, she could have changed it anytime withing the past 16 years.

BESS I'm going to go check out your thread in Numbers...

If we go with the theory that Danielle has not been there 16 years.....but the iterations have (from the "numbers" transmission") then 42, and 23 years ago the numbers could not of brought anyone to the island

The overlap on the 16 years bugs me, because now we have to twist something to make it fit -- either Danielle's message wasn't running for 16-some years, or "for a long time they didn't hear anything" means a few weeks, or Hurley didn't talk to Sam's wife right before the flight, or the iterations continued from the first message (in which case, wouldn't it have started 16 years ago?)... but I'm a math idiot, so maybe I'm missing something.

very kool website.

you could be right,BESS2728 about the pilot using them.

I like the idea of them counting down to some event.* The progression fits, too.* ( I wonder why they've lumped 8 and 15 together in their Significant Mentions instead of doing them separately, like they did 4 and 16. )*

u are right it is enough to drive anyone insane, but i see what you are saying.

But, wouldn't the pilots use the 24 hour clock? So, that would make the time the pilots would say 17:15 Say, the pilot was a little off on the time....

Flight 815 makes radio communication at 16:23 Sydney time?

The squence would then be 8 15 12 23 .... the only missing numbers are 4 and 42 I'm not a pilot but for anyone out there who is or knows...what sort of info would I pilot say as they make radio contact with the ground?

ARGH...this is enough to drive anyone insane! :D


The pilots wouldn't make such a large mistake with time. They have many instrumants that keep time very precisely. Also on trans-oceanic flights pilots usually report their position to a ground controller every 10-15 minutes so they are constantly in contact, which is really the only way that the controllers know exactly where they are.

i see, i see

if anyone wants the watership down notes on chapter summeries heres a link...http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/watership/ yeah tahts from sparknotes... i havnt read it because it confuses me... i havnt read the book!

anywho...i like the idea taht the pilot used the numbers some time in the flight and thats what brought them down... i also like the idea that the island was used for military experiments and such... its just... why are the numbers cursed? its just isnt working for me... i want it too because i really like the cold war and whatnot theory its just... why do bad things happen to those who use the numbers?

Someone spotted a 815 on the tongue of the boot Kate took off the dead guy in the Pilot episode