Discuss. :)

Once again, no CTV promo..grrrr....

American one was pretty basic I thought. Beach action, no sight of Locke. They decide to stop running and take a stand.

There was a Charlie and Claire kiss - oh la la! And a shot of his DS ring laid down...

whose bloody hand is that?? its definitely female though, probably Kate or Juliet. And it looks like Jack or Sawyer, is giving them a gun

This time you have to die brother??? Nice way to put it Des. :(

That dynamite is sure is handy.

Saw the ring too in Aaron's crib. :crybaby:

Preview is up here in my Livejournal! (http://txvoodoo.livejournal.com/689636.html)

Sayid was running and tackling someone on the beach. Can anyone tell who that person was that he is fighting? Short dark hair, but I could only see him from the back, couldn't identify him.

My guess is Karl. Sayid is probably going to "shoot the messenger" and kill Karl as he is coming to warn the beach camp about the Others.

There's a brief shot of Rose and Bernard in the promo and they're both holding guns with Sayid stood next to them. Looks like he's teaching them how to hold and fire a gun.

I think that was Karl too. I hope he doesn't die though. So were Juliet and Jack working with Rousseau and that is why Rousseau was in the Black Rock, to get dynamite?

I think that was Karl too. I hope he doesn't die though. So were Juliet and Jack working with Rousseau and that is why Rousseau was in the Black Rock, to get dynamite?Thats what I'm thinking, as odd as that may seem.

Am I the only one going crazy while lost-media is pretty much out of commission? :cry:

"This time you have to die..."

Oh...so Charlie doesn't even get a choice?! I'd hoped to see Desmond at least asking Charlie to make the ultimate sacrifice. Am I really the only person who thinks of Charlie as a human being with rights? I hope Charlie lives more than ever now.

The voice at the end is definitely Karl.

what was that metal object that looked like a DS? Looks like it might have been a ring in arron's crib?

Saw the ring too in Aaron's crib. :crybaby:

OMG! That was so sad! I bet Charle goes off to die and leaves the ring for Claire and Aaron to remember him. I'm going to be crying my eyes out next week.

There's a brief shot of Rose and Bernard in the promo and they're both holding guns with Sayid stood next to them. Looks like he's teaching them how to hold and fire a gun.

Bernard's grown a full beard, right? That is so shocking to see sweet, gentle people like Rose and Bernard learning how to shoot.

So were Juliet and Jack working with Rousseau and that is why Rousseau was in the Black Rock, to get dynamite?

I think that's a good guess.

"This time you have to die..."

Oh...so Charlie doesn't even get a choice?! I'd hoped to see Desmond at least asking Charlie to make the ultimate sacrifice. Am I really the only person who thinks of Charlie as a human being with rights? I hope Charlie lives more than ever now.

The voice at the end is definitely Karl.

Charlie will live, Charlie will live, Charlie will live... I too wish he'd get a choice. Perhaps there's more to the conversation, you know how "creative" the previews can be, right?

I hope Karl doesn't die either, it wouldn't bode well for Alex's feelings toward the Losties if they kill her boyfriend.

If it is Karl, Sayid's tackling him cuz he doesn't know Karl from Adam. James and Kate will quickly set him straight, and Karl will give the losties his message/warning. Karl will also, no doubt, plead with them NOT to hurt Alex. He will be assured by James, Kate, Claire (who Alex rescued!), and Jack (who has met Alex and knows she's good) that nothing will happen to her.

Let us fervently :63: that nothing will!



As for "this time you HAVE to die," Desmond has probably 'seen' in his flash that Charlie succeeds in connecting the cable. This means (as far as Naomi has told them) that rescue will be imminent. I have my doubts about that (3 seasons left, folks!), but rescue DOES mean, um, rescue. This means Desmond sees Penny again. (Strong motivation to urge Charlie on!) This means Claire and Aaron get off the Island. This means maybe no battle vs. the Others! (Of course, THAT will happen, regardless. But THEY probably are hoping to avoid it!)

Since Charlie believes that cable connection = rescue of his fellow losties (especially Claire and Aaron!), he will hear what Desmond is saying. He will willingly choose to sacrifice his life for the greater good.

WILL Charlie die? Well. . .the promo doesn't say, of course! :D

But everything is coming to a head.

I wish Jack and Juliet weren't involved in it all, but you can't always get what you want, yeah?

GOOD promo! Hope to see follow-ups posted at the promo thread at Spoilers! (Hint, hint.)

As for "this time you HAVE to die," Desmond has probably 'seen' in his flash that Charlie succeeds in connecting the cable. This means (as far as Naomi has told them) that rescue will be imminent. I have my doubts about that (3 seasons left, folks!), but rescue DOES mean, um, rescue. This means Desmond sees Penny again. (Strong motivation to urge Charlie on!) This means Claire and Aaron get off the Island. This means maybe no battle vs. the Others! (Of course, THAT will happen, regardless. But THEY probably are hoping to avoid it!)

I suppose that sacrificing one mans life for the sake of forty odd peoples lives is understandable. It's certainly better than Des sacrificing Charlie just so he can get back together with the girlfriend that he dumped. But I still hate that Des demands Charlies sacrifice rather than asking for it. It shows no respect or compassion for Charlie.:frown:

It feels like if Charlie refuses the underwater cable mission Desmond is gonna tie him to a loadstone and throw him in the ocean

Sayid did NOT TACKLE Karl, he was clearly running in Sayid's direction and Sayid caught him. for ex. "my people are coming right now!" so obviously he's in rush, tired and stumbling down the beach when the notice him, Sayid runs over and catches him. thats clearly what is happening

P.Stones

Cappy, I didn't see it as Desmond demanding Charlie die. I saw it as Desmond having seen that Charlie dies, but the means to rescue is activated because of him. Desmond didn't sound or look demanding, or stern (and definitely not happy!) when he told Charlie this. He looked like he did the very first time he told Charlie that Charlie was gonna die: sad, tormented, HATING being the bearer of this news!

I'm sure Desmond never WANTED Charlie to die, even when entertaining the idea of letting him, back in Catch 22. (Heck, in the end, he COULDN'T let Charlie die!) So he has GOT to honestly believe that Charlie's death and the success of the cable mission are inseparably linked. If he didn't, he'd make sure ANYONE but Charlie would go on the mission. Or that somehow, he could be there to (again) save Charlie from death, once Charlie connected the cable.

The only deduction I can make is that means that the act of connecting the cable is what kills Charlie. And it IS Charlie who connects the cable! Since it is Charlie who connects the cable, and no one else, then Charlie must die. Desmond is NOT thrilled by this "flash" of his, by Charlie's fate, or that he can't alter it without depriving everyone on the Island of rescue (or, at least, they all BELIEVE it's rescue).

I was upset at Desmond back in Catch 22. But this time, it's not his fault. Des is an honest man. He is honestly telling Charlie what he honestly believes must happen. I have no doubt this is making Desmond sick. (We may never see it, but afterwards, I'll be he has a vomiting jag to match James' in The Brig.) Desmond didn't ASK for this precog ability. But there it is, anyway. If it's any consolation to you, after this happens (if it does!), Charlie will be dead. But Desmond will have to LIVE with having known in advance of Charlie's death, and being able to do NOTHING about it. Pretty heavy thing to have to live with, I'd say. So the Scot ain't getting off scot-free, here.

I love Des' character, but I too have been annoyed at how he's been on Charlie about dying. If he does indeed tell Charlie he HAS to let himself die this time, it wouldn't reflect too well on Des. It just seems so cruel to put it that way, as if Charlie has no choice in the matter.

Thanks for the reassurance, Save the Humans.I still have faith in our Scot and in Chesmond. I guess that I should wait for the full conversation. It could be that Charlie really wants to do the cable mission and has asked Desmond if he thinks that there is any chance he will survive. Desmond may then tell Charlie that if he goes through with it he will have to die. Desmond may then leave the descision up to Charlie. I agree this is not like Catch-22.

Thanks, Cappy! :hug:

Looks like, with the clip of Rose and Bernard being shown how to shoot, we're going to get a little Deux Ex Machina in the form of Juliet raiding some Other gun cache. If they're going so far as to arm up Rose and Bernard they've got to have definitely increased their supply.

Anyone got any guesses on the bloody hand that some one is giving a gun to, and who's giving the gun?

Anyone got any guesses on the bloody hand that some one is giving a gun to, and who's giving the gun?

Mu guess would be Danielle. Not sure what that is based on but its a guess. Next to that I would guess Kate. (Again not based on anything just a guess, shrug):undecide:

Hey, why does it HAVE to be Charlie that connects the cable? Why doesn't Des volunteer to do it? I don't want Charlie to go anywhere. That is going to be like the saddest moment on LOST. When I thought Charlie was dead the first time when Jack found him hanging in the tree - I freakin' LOST it big time. I don't know how I will deal with this one. It's going to be so sad. Why Charlie? Why couldn't they make Michael come back for this eppy. and volunteer to connect the cable and then off him - that could be HIS way of making up for what he did!!! I like that idea much better than what seems to be in store for us.

But I do like the fact that it looks like the Losties aren't splitting into two groups against each other - but against the Others. Whatever happens, the next two eppys. will definitely leave us all with something to talk (& cry) about!

Doc

Anyone got any guesses on the bloody hand that some one is giving a gun to, and who's giving the gun?

That's Jack's hand holding the gun (trust me, fangirls know these things ;)) and they tell me Kate's the one taking it.

C'mon, Universe... stop being such a :dog:! Let the hobbit live, damn you!

As far as the Sayid tackle, watching it in slow mo it doesn't look like he's catching someone - it looks like a tackle. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to attack the guy. There are a bunch of losties behind him as well...

What about the explosion...not sure if that's a demonstration or what but Sawyer looks very protective of Kate in that one which was nice to see :biggrin: I saw the Claire/Charlie kiss too - very cool but I have a feeling it's because of Des' prediction which is also very sad. This is JMO so not a spoiler - I don't think Charlie will die - it's just too obvious, however if Claire died it would shock everyone...and with Jack being her brother...just my thoughts.

Whatever happens it's going to be crazy!!!

Is it Wednesday yet?????

Wow, next week's episode looks awesome!

I love that Jack is finally in full smackdown mode. After three weeks in captivity, he's pretty pissed, and I really want to see all the Losties banding together to fight Ben's crazy little army. (Although I'm not really sure how badly Richard or Tom want to be part of that army, frankly.)

I'm hoping that we will see more of the season one "family" of Lost, with Jack, Sayid, Sawyer, Jin, Kate, etc., all banning together to fight an impending attack. That's what it looks like is going to happen, and I can't wait.

Still thinking and hoping that Charlie won't die. I mean, c'mon, when have the previews really showed us what the episode is really like? I always adore the previews and get really excited, but hardly ever does the episode live up to it - either the episode is worse than what the previews showed, or it's better. I like it when it's better :)

So, yeah, the DriveSHAFT ring in the crib definitely made me twitch a bit. I bet it's going to be Charlie giving it to Claire to hold on to for him/so she has it IF he doesn't make it/he doesn't want to lose it in the water. Yeah =] Trying to be an optimist.

Really, I don't think the episode will be as dramatic as the previews have made it out to be. I don't think Charlie will die. Way tooooo obvious, as said by many others before. It just isn't right to go on and on about it in the show and then follow through with it - not like TPTB at all. Unless Dominic really wanted to go and so toward the beginning of the season he sat down with TPTB and they made up a really dynamic way for Charlie to leave, something that would be hinted at all season and then finally carried out just to make it all more the dramatic...I hope this isn't true, but it's just something I thought of.

Still. This is going to be a scary episode.

So, yeah, the DriveSHAFT ring in the crib definitely made me twitch a bit. I bet it's going to be Charlie giving it to Claire to hold on to for him/so she has it IF he doesn't make it/he doesn't want to lose it in the water. Yeah =] Trying to be an optimist.

I think that Charlie leaving his ring is a good sign. Rose and Sun were both left with rings when their husbands were missing, pressumed dead...and Bernard and Jin came back to them.

Someone had a cool idea that leaving the ring behind might save Charlies life - because the metal of the ring might have caused Charlie to... ...be electrocuted in the cable mission... There was that scene in 'One of Us' where Aaron was staring at the DS ring and then tried to pry it off Charlies finger. Maybe Aaron knows.

I really don't want Charlie to die...

can some1 give me a promo

can some1 give me a promo


TxVoodoo - Preview is up here in my Livejournal! (http://txvoodoo.livejournal.com/689636.html)

It is also on DarkUFO's site: http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/05/greatest-hits-us-trailer.html

Probably on youtube as well.

Hey, why does it HAVE to be Charlie that connects the cable? Why doesn't Des volunteer to do it?
Doc

Has the storyline of the cable been confirmed anywhere or is it just speculation?

I'm not sure how they figure out what to do with the cable and Charlie volunteers to do it all in one episode. For only the 2nd or 3rd time ever on Lost there will have to be a lot of conversation amongst the Losties for all of this story to play out.

Maybe Naomi knows exactly what is wrong with the cable and that is how they move the story along - but that would make her Dharma, wouldn't it?

i think we wont find out if Charlie lives or dies until next season-they will leave that as a cliffhanger.

Maybe Naomi knows exactly what is wrong with the cable and that is how they move the story along - but that would make her Dharma, wouldn't it?
Not necessarily. A lot of the infrastructure Dharma built there was built by WIDMORE CONSTRUCTION. The daughter of the head of WC (her name's Penny ;)) would have access to all the schematics and blueprints. So all she'd have to do is e-mail or fax this info to Naomi & crew on the ship. THAT'S how Naomi would know about the cable system!

Someone had a cool idea that leaving the ring behind might save Charlies life - because the metal of the ring might have caused Charlie to... ...be electrocuted in the cable mission...

Ooooh, I like that!

I hope we get a little one-on-one time with Charlie talking to Aaron before he leaves that ring.

At least, if he does survive but "disappears", he won't be around for the big showdown, which would have majorly increased his chances of being killed by an Other bent on a little revenge.

I'd also like to know about this cable story...I hadn't heard it before here so wouldn't that be considered a spoiler or is it shown in the preview. I didn't see it...anyone??

Not necessarily. A lot of the infrastructure Dharma built there was built by WIDMORE CONSTRUCTION. The daughter of the head of WC (her name's Penny ;)) would have access to all the schematics and blueprints. So all she'd have to do is e-mail or fax this info to Naomi & crew on the ship. THAT'S how Naomi would know about the cable system!

Good catch/explanation, STH.

I forgot this from last summer's Lost Experience.

I think that Charlie leaving his ring is a good sign. Rose and Sun were both left with rings when their husbands were missing, pressumed dead...and Bernard and Jin came back to them.

Someone had a cool idea that leaving the ring behind might save Charlies life - because the metal of the ring might have caused Charlie to... ...be electrocuted in the cable mission... There was that scene in 'One of Us' where Aaron was staring at the DS ring and then tried to pry it off Charlies finger. Maybe Aaron knows.

I like your thinking =] And I also thought about Sun's ring but didn't make the connection, and didn't think about Bernard and Rose until you just said that. Yay =] That makes me happy. I have this whole scene worked out in my mind where Charlie comes back from AWOLness and Claire gives him the ring =] That's what happens when you become too addicted. You start MAKING UP scenes. It's especially scary when they happen.


And I like your theory about

how it could be preventing him from being zapped. Not only is he letting them hold on to it for him, just in case, but maybe he's also being smart and thinking "hey, i'm going to be underwater with an electrical cable!" I like that idea.

It gives me more hope that the episode isn't going to be as depressing as the promo is making it out to be.

I'd also like to know about this cable story...I hadn't heard it before here so wouldn't that be considered a spoiler or is it shown in the preview. I didn't see it...anyone??

You are right, anything related to the underwater cable and the fact that Charlie goes underwater to fix it is a spoiler, so guys, spoilerfont for those who don't to know

I would still like to know about this cable business if someone could point me in the right direction...

I would still like to know about this cable business if someone could point me in the right direction...

Several threads in the spoiler section but mainly the episode Description for episode 21 titled Greatest Hits, Charlie Centric

Although, if you are not fond of spoilers, I would recommend you stay out of it. Major news were revealed today and it's all over the spoiler boards. Beware.

I would still like to know about this cable business if someone could point me in the right direction...

That spoiler came from an interview with Kristen on E!

The thread is here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=75925

That's on the spoiler board so only click through if you want to be spoiled about this piece of information.

I'm thinking Charlie won't die. It's so obvious. They WANT us to think he will die. But like someone mentioned before, it would be thematic suicide (not being able to change your fate).

But then again, this could just be wishful thinking. :(

Thanks for the link...I haven't decided yet if I want to be that spoiled. I like to be a little spoiled but not overly. :biggrin:

Sounds like Karl saying "My people are coming , they're coming right now!"

That's Jack's hand holding the gun (trust me, fangirls know these things ;)) and they tell me Kate's the one taking it.

It looks like Sun's hand to me, besides she's the only one wearing a red/violet shirt

It looks like Sun's hand to me, besides she's the only one wearing a red/violet shirt

We know Sun can shoot. Plus she's been wearing red recently. I can't remember Kate ever wearing red.

It makes sense that Sun is being given a gun. She is the main person the Others are coming for. I wonder if she'll ice one of them in the battle.

As much as it saddens me, another purge is coming. and only one group will remain again, no switching, like ben did.

I think Juliet told Jack the truth when she showed him her video. For some reason the Others want Ben out, he is now a threat and they will purge him too and try to assimilate the Losties, that they can use, the rest will be purged.

It looks like Sun's hand to me, besides she's the only one wearing a red/violet shirt

Yeah I noticed that too. Sun is wearing a purplish shirt in the trailer and the hand receiving the gun appears to belong to someone in a purple shirt. It then brings up the question, why are her hands covered in blood? :confused: She has either been attacked or someone is injured or dead...Jin?

I really sense a massive misdirection in this episode, Charlie fans I really wouldn't be so sure he'll die. I'm near certain it'll be Claire. Charlie wil return from his mission a hero and also now a father to Aaron. Thats my opinion anyway.

Either way, I'm sure I'll need a box of tissues before the season's through.

I tried to think the other day of which main characters would be "expendable" to me at this point, but you know....I can't really think of any! By this point I've become so attached to all of them, and with all of their connections and revelations, it's hard to imagine taking one person away without thinking of the implications it would have on all the other Losties.

I will say as a C/C shipper for these past three season....I really hope TPTB don't give us one good kiss and then take Charlie out of the picture. I'm still holding out for a Season 5 on-island wedding with little Aaron as the ringbearer. ;)

I will say as a C/C shipper for these past three season....I really hope TPTB don't give us one good kiss and then take Charlie out of the picture. I'm still holding out for a Season 5 on-island wedding with little Aaron as the ringbearer. ;)

At the current rate of roughly one month per season, I don't think Aaron will even be crawling by then ;) !

looks like curtains for Charlie.....

i kind of want Charlie to die...

From some people's behavior on this board, I would say some of the people around here would consider certain information in that article very spoilerish, so beware.

The discussion below the article is certainly very spoilerish, and there are phrases within the article such as: "We will not see this and that, we will see so and so..."

I know some people around here that counsider that very much a spoiler.

noted... but the article itself is innocently informative :) Just stay away from the talkback!! I know I did :)

noted... but the article itself is innocently informative :) Just stay away from the talkback!! I know I did :)

Jond, I wouldn't recommend judging what other people might consider a spoiler or not. It is a very touchy subject in here.

The article itself, not the talkback, says things like:

* We will not see XXXX
* We will not find out about XXX
* We will see XXX before the season ends

Any of those would be considered spoilers here. Believe me. Some things I don't consider too spoilerish, are forbidden here. And people get realy mad at you if you provide information they were not looking for.

Just come ver to the spoiler board and joins us bad boys and girls that can't wait to find out stuff :twisted: .

ha ha ha.. ok then. Don't wanna step on any toes! :)

post deleted. this thread is for discussing the preview only. discussion of other spoilers should take place in teh spoiler section. thanks.

The whole Charlie you're gonna die plot is getting ridiculous. We've seen it hashed out 4 times already, and they're getting ready to do it a fifth time? If something doesn't happen to him this time, it's just bad story-telling.

There's a new 2-minute clip up on ABC dot com's OFFICIAL LOST page...check it out, maybe it's not new at all. There's a nice dialogue between Naomi and Charlie...

Not sure if this a spoiler so I am taking no chances :lipsseal: But in the Preview where Naomi and Charlie are talking...

When Naomi is telling Charlie about the big deal being made about the Rock Star that died, she says that there were memorials and Greatest Hits albums and such. Doesnt that seem rather quick since they have only been gone for 90 days? Could this be a hint about time being "off"

Just something I've bin thinking about after rewatching Live Together, Die Alone eppy. In Penny's letter to Des she says we only need someone who truly loves us to survive. I've been playin with the idea of maybe Claire telling Charlie she loves him just before he goes on his rescue mission, which would lead to Charlie obviously surviving. Just can't believe they'd let him die!!!!! Thoughts?? :confused:

Very nice catch Penny...I really like that idea...but I also don't want Charlie to die

That new sneak peek is very interesting...

Cappy, I didn't see it as Desmond demanding Charlie die. I saw it as Desmond having seen that Charlie dies, but the means to rescue is activated because of him. Desmond didn't sound or look demanding, or stern (and definitely not happy!) when he told Charlie this. He looked like he did the very first time he told Charlie that Charlie was gonna die: sad, tormented, HATING being the bearer of this news!

I'm sure Desmond never WANTED Charlie to die, even when entertaining the idea of letting him, back in Catch 22. (Heck, in the end, he COULDN'T let Charlie die!) So he has GOT to honestly believe that Charlie's death and the success of the cable mission are inseparably linked. If he didn't, he'd make sure ANYONE but Charlie would go on the mission. Or that somehow, he could be there to (again) save Charlie from death, once Charlie connected the cable.

The only deduction I can make is that means that the act of connecting the cable is what kills Charlie. And it IS Charlie who connects the cable! Since it is Charlie who connects the cable, and no one else, then Charlie must die. Desmond is NOT thrilled by this "flash" of his, by Charlie's fate, or that he can't alter it without depriving everyone on the Island of rescue (or, at least, they all BELIEVE it's rescue).

I was upset at Desmond back in Catch 22. But this time, it's not his fault. Des is an honest man. He is honestly telling Charlie what he honestly believes must happen. I have no doubt this is making Desmond sick. (We may never see it, but afterwards, I'll be he has a vomiting jag to match James' in The Brig.) Desmond didn't ASK for this precog ability. But there it is, anyway. If it's any consolation to you, after this happens (if it does!), Charlie will be dead. But Desmond will have to LIVE with having known in advance of Charlie's death, and being able to do NOTHING about it. Pretty heavy thing to have to live with, I'd say. So the Scot ain't getting off scot-free, here.


Thank you! Don't hate on Des because the universe decided Charlie needs to go.
I don't think Charlie is going to die anyway.

Can't wait for tonight!

Not sure if this a spoiler so I am taking no chances :lipsseal: But in the Preview where Naomi and Charlie are talking...

When Naomi is telling Charlie about the big deal being made about the Rock Star that died, she says that there were memorials and Greatest Hits albums and such. Doesnt that seem rather quick since they have only been gone for 90 days? Could this be a hint about time being "off"Yeah, that is a bit hokey... :undecide:

Perhaps I'm a little late but I haven't seen 'GH' yet but in the preview for this episode, we saw a woman's bloody hand being given a gun. What happened there? :undecide:

Alex was cutting up a rabbit, and Ben came and gave her the gun she gave Locke back.

.....

Alex was cutting up a rabbit, and Ben came and gave her the gun she gave Locke back.

.....

Oh...lovely. :eek2: