Jack's Solution: Blow them to bits

This had better work and they better hope they send ALL the Others so that all of them will be killed in the blast. If they don't or they screw up one little bit in timing they will have a lot of really angry Others to deal with. Oh did i mention that their entire camp will probably be destroyed as well. I'm pretty sure they can't precision bomb only certain tents without messing up a bunch of other stuff they will need to survive.

If they do this i think their camp is history.

well it is a risk but the result can bring some interesting plot twists. If some or many of the strong arm of the Others (even Ben) are killed or critically wounded...believe me what remains of the others will be a mix of anger and pure terror. A successful counter measure against the others could instill a significant and disabling sense of fear into the others. They dont expect to be challenged by a bunch of castaways washed up on the beach

And then throw in the Locke factor. They must clearly know that his failure to return meant that Ben/and or Jacob killed him. So...take in a successful defense of the camp and throw in a Locke somehow emerging from the woods and you could have some of the others in dire need of a change of pants. The "Oh F$@K" Factor could be huge...

If the counter measure doesnt pan out, The Others will now know what it means to NOT underestimate the enemy. Either way...the others will get a fat black eye (and maybe some new pants) and the Losties will know, for the first time that they have the resources and know how to confront their enemy.

Indeed the Locke thing is still out there.

I posted in another thread that Locke probably knows about this bombing judging by the way he just let Danielle take the dynamite without question. I'm pretty sure he isn't going to stay shot for long.

True true, I agree with all this.

But don't you think it's out of character for Jack to want to kill a bunch of people? Is there something else going on?

well it is a risk but the result can bring some interesting plot twists. If some or many of the strong arm of the Others (even Ben) are killed or critically wounded...believe me what remains of the others will be a mix of anger and pure terror. A successful counter measure against the others could instill a significant and disabling sense of fear into the others. They dont expect to be challenged by a bunch of castaways washed up on the beach

And then throw in the Locke factor. They must clearly know that his failure to return meant that Ben/and or Jacob killed him. So...take in a successful defense of the camp and throw in a Locke somehow emerging from the woods and you could have some of the others in dire need of a change of pants. The "Oh F$@K" Factor could be huge...

If the counter measure doesnt pan out, The Others will now know what it means to NOT underestimate the enemy. Either way...the others will get a fat black eye (and maybe some new pants) and the Losties will know, for the first time that they have the resources and know how to confront their enemy.

I'm not so sure a black eye will be a big help. We've seen the Others gas the entire DHARMA Initiative. Besides wanting the pregnant chicks, what is keeping them from just gassing the Losties? Nothing, that's what.

Pryce said he was taking 10 of his best. Just 10? How many more does he have? Next time will Ben send 30 of the almost best? 50?

I applaud Jack for a brutally good idea, but I just don't see it working.

I'm hoping Locke will return and be able to appeal to Richard and any other Other that will listen to stop the war and dispose Ben.

Gee. I'm sorry I missed the "I'm going to commit mass murder, who's with me!?" rally.

I'll bet that was some debate. :dry: But the port-mortem will surffice, when surrounded by the bloody remnants of the Others, the Beachies get to thinking that threatened as they felt, there may have been another way.

Wouldn't fancy Jack's chances for re-election as leader in that case.

While recognising of course that he may be a shoo-in; who the hell else would want the job? ;) Politics: it's a funny, dirty business ...and I love it! :biggrin:

It's an idea that's full of holes, but do you have a better one?
Plus, blowing up stuff makes for good TV!

When I sit down to think of it - we still don't know why the Losties and the Others are fighting, do we? We know why the Losties are fighting, for self defense - but why is Ben's hostile toward the survivors in the first place?

Why didn't he approach them with a helping hand and diplomacy from the beginning? From what he has wanted so far - a surgeon to fix him up, maybe some people to help with a construction project - there is nothing I don't think the Losties would not willingly have given, especially in exchange for some of the luxuries that Ben's group has. What am I missing?

While I agree with your notion of a peacful integrated community it would have gotten boring pretty fast.

Black/White
Good/Evil

There must be conflict.

Jack's Solution: Blow them to bits

This had better work and they better hope they send ALL the Others so that all of them will be killed in the blast. If they don't or they screw up one little bit in timing they will have a lot of really angry Others to deal with. Oh did i mention that their entire camp will probably be destroyed as well. I'm pretty sure they can't precision bomb only certain tents without messing up a bunch of other stuff they will need to survive.
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i agree with you that's not very smart to me either!
But maybe it was just bluff..may be that's why jack didn't want to go to the radio tower ???:confused:

Jack's Solution: Blow them to bits

This had better work and they better hope they send ALL the Others so that all of them will be killed in the blast. If they don't or they screw up one little bit in timing they will have a lot of really angry Others to deal with. Oh did i mention that their entire camp will probably be destroyed as well. I'm pretty sure they can't precision bomb only certain tents without messing up a bunch of other stuff they will need to survive.

If they do this i think their camp is history.

Yes but the rest of their plan is send a signal to the ship to come rescue them. Jack figures they won't need the camp any more and they will probably be long gone before the rest of the Others figure out what happened to the "muscle" on the raid.

While I agree with your notion of a peacful integrated community it would have gotten boring pretty fast.

Black/White
Good/Evil

There must be conflict.

I agree - I never said I didn't enjoy the conflict. But for it to work as drama, Ben needs a motive for the strategy he is using for getting what he needs from the survivors of 815. My point was that we really don't know what the motive behind the attack based strategy is.

I'm not so sure a black eye will be a big help. We've seen the Others gas the entire DHARMA Initiative. Besides wanting the pregnant chicks, what is keeping them from just gassing the Losties? Nothing, that's what.

Pryce said he was taking 10 of his best. Just 10? How many more does he have? Next time will Ben send 30 of the almost best? 50?

I applaud Jack for a brutally good idea, but I just don't see it working.

I'm hoping Locke will return and be able to appeal to Richard and any other Other that will listen to stop the war and dispose Ben.

Yeh but there are so many of them. In the previews for next week we can already tell that some of those ten are going to have a VERY bad night

THe others are typically in charge of their environment and it seems that that will change and many of the "10 best" will be retired shortly, leaving the rest which are apparently the lesser of those capable of leading assaults

The Others are used to dishing it out. If that changes, even if for one night, it will impact them severely. The Others are adaptable but for every one that dies ZERO are born. an other in any capacity puts them one step closer to extinction. I think we could see an abrupt power change next season. This is kind of like Chess. Jack is not about to immediately win, but Ben is about to be put in Check for the first time.

starrman- My apologies. Didn't mean to suggest you didn't :)

Ahhh yes that is a mystery motive. After all Ben has stated more than once they are the good guys. It has become increasingly suspect that they are. After seeing Ben basically be a large part in a massacre of the DHARMA people was the real eye opener that if he is truly the good guys I would sure hate to see the bad.

Ben thinks he is saving the world, that is his motive. He also has the side motive of figuring out the baby problem. Do you think the losties would have said "sure, take all of the women, get them pregnant and see if they die"? There's no compromise to be had.

As for Jack's plan, I didn't see anyone else coming up with one. They have two choices - fight or die. Hiding is not an option. I'd rather go down swinging myself. They have dynomite, but not a lot of guns. I don't see how they have much of a choice.

Well, I would rather fight back instead of sit and wait for them to come. How would they know for sure that the satellite phone for is going to send rescue in time.

Oh i agree they should do something but blowing thier camp to kingdom-come seems a bit over the top and very likely to fail. In fact I will predict that it will fail miserably. I get the feeling someone important will die in this battle... or possibly the explosion causes a volcano to go off and threaten everyone's existence. It just seems way risky.

BTW what ever became of Desmond's boat? I know the others have it but where? It seems it would be something They'd like to have back.

I'm rambling now... LOL

I don't know but it sure will be fun to watch.

Gee. I'm sorry I missed the "I'm going to commit mass murder, who's with me!?" rally.

I'll bet that was some debate. :dry: But the port-mortem will surffice, when surrounded by the bloody remnants of the Others, the Beachies get to thinking that threatened as they felt, there may have been another way.

Wouldn't fancy Jack's chances for re-election as leader in that case.

While recognising of course that he may be a shoo-in; who the hell else would want the job? ;) Politics: it's a funny, dirty business ...and I love it! :biggrin:

It's an idea that's full of holes, but do you have a better one?
Plus, blowing up stuff makes for good TV!

Nope. :biggrin: Rather looking forward to the fall-out and some long over due examination of what kind of society they want to build.

Rescue's not coming, escape is who knows how far off ... and politics is far from dull.

The British threw out their War-time leader first opportunity they got at the polls after WWII ~ I'm genuinely interested to see how the plan pans out and what happens to Jack in particular afterward.

[/quote}=BillToons;1558578. I get the feeling someone important will die in this battle... .[/quote]

well apparently as many as 4 someones could die in this battle...or as a result. The producers said 5 were to die this month and only Locke's dad is down. The finale should be a mean one...

starrman- My apologies. Didn't mean to suggest you didn't :)

No need to apologize, just making sure my point was understood. :)

Ahhh yes that is a mystery motive. After all Ben has stated more than once they are the good guys. It has become increasingly suspect that they are. After seeing Ben basically be a large part in a massacre of the DHARMA people was the real eye opener that if he is truly the good guys I would sure hate to see the bad.

I think Ben has a god complex. He's like a cult leader (Koresh, Jim Jones) who thinks he has a monopoly on the truth and has convinced himself that whatever secret he is protecting is important enough that no evil done in it's service is evil. I also think that Ben is a look into the future for Locke, especially after what we hear Ben say in the preview:

"Everything I did, I did for this island"

You can already see that Locke has taken some steps down that path with his recent behavior.

I think you have it starrman, Ben's a whacko. But then maybe we are all whackos once we find out what this island truly is.

I just don't know how Ben could save the planet if no one can see or leave or come to or anything else for that matter, this island. Quite a puzzle.

I must say I have never watched a show that generated so much thought and talk and such in my whole life. I really don't want it to end but then again i really want to know what the devil is going on.

My wife said the following about Jack: "Now he's gone mad!"
And she's right!
Here's something I don't understand about that whole raid-thing:
Ben said "See you in a week." to Juliet in "One Of Us", so the date was already set, wasn't it?
So what was the purpose of Ben's side of the tape that Sawyer played for the Losties in "The Man Behind The Curtain"? A simple confirmation?
It should have been clear - at least to Sayid, e.g. - that Jack's plan couldn't work out if it got based on a message that Juliet didn't receive as far as Ben knows; so Ben simply prepones the attack as soon as Locke is out of the way ... :frown:

As for Jack's plan, I didn't see anyone else coming up with one. They have two choices - fight or die. Hiding is not an option. I'd rather go down swinging myself. They have dynomite, but not a lot of guns. I don't see how they have much of a choice.

In all fairness, nobody else even knew they needed a plan because Jack didn't share the infomation about the upcoming attack until HE figured out what to do about it. Too bad he didn't. A couple of able-bodied men would have been able to help Danielle move that dynamite more quickly, and they could have started stripping the wire they needed to rig the detonations two days sooner. And did Jack really have to blow up a tree just to tell them they now had dynamite for HIS plan? Why advertise it to any lurking Other spy who might be keeping surveillance on the group?

Two vital days of preparation time wasted, resulting in a make-shift version of HIS plan, and a far more dangerous one at that. Yet nobody even reproaches Jack for his stupidity, and Jack certainly never reproaches himself. So they ALL end up looking stupid. IMO, when they just follow his orders uncritically like a bunch of sheep.

Well said Dezdemona.

Jack is a day late and a dollar short. His plan ( i loosely call it a plan as it seems Jack is kind of winging it these days and suspect to be at best a fool and at the worst a traitor) is dangerous to those he says he wants to save and I think doomed to failure.

I hope I'm wrong but with 2-3 season left after this one I worry that I am not wrong.

Clear the way losties!!!! Jack is gonna blow the place to bits!!!!!

Maybe Charlie and Desmond can figure out something!

I hope Sayid and Desmond & Charlie will save Jack's butt so that he finally gets to realize that his dad was right and he just doesn't have what it takes. I mean, what's so bad about that? He's grown up, his father is dead, so he should be able to finally accept it.
If Sayid wasn't such a nice guy he would've taken command seasons ago and done a better job in the mean time.

Jack's Solution: Blow them to bits?? Odd plan for one supposedly educated under 'First do no harm' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere

Jack's Solution: Blow them to bits?? Odd plan for one supposedly educated under 'First do no harm'

But do remember that is under completely different circumstances now. It's all fine and well to 'First do no harm' whilst working in a hospital with a wife and home life.
Now, he's living on a mysterious island with his friends droping like flies and a bunch of hostile people are planning on infiltrating their beach camp and kidnapping all of their women.

Peoples perspectives are bound to change.

I like crazy, blood thirsty, blow them all to hell Jack. Now he fits right in with the rest of the murderous lunatics he's stranded with.

[/quote}=BillToons;1558578. I get the feeling someone important will die in this battle... .

well apparently as many as 4 someones could die in this battle...or as a result. The producers said 5 were to die this month and only Locke's dad is down. The finale should be a mean one...[/quote]


Im sorry if this sounds angry but... HEY BUDDY USE THE SPOILER FONT! Geez, I love this boards but I HATE reading stuff like this.

We had a few chuckes earlier in the week yakking it up about how Jacks' battle plan sounds like it was borrowed straight from the movie, Blazing Saddles:

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=80582

On a more serious note, wouldn't an ambush before the Others get to the Losties camp work out better? Would Juliette know by which route way the Others battle company would be coming?

I dunno about Jack's plan to ambush the Others at the camp. Too many things can go wrong. The Others would have to open the marked tents simultaneously for it to be really effective. The Lostie sharpshooters will have to be excellent shots. (Bernard is so full of it!). And what of the damage to the camp? And what is Jack's plan for when Ben sends in a second battle company after this one? Sounds like he doesn't have one.

There really aren't that many Others left to fight a war if they lose the squad sent to the beach in the next episode. Jack's comment to Tom when they faced off in the jungle ("I believe there are more of us than there are of you." might not have been wrong.

There really aren't that many Others left to fight a war if they lose the squad sent to the beach in the next episode. Jack's comment to Tom when they faced off in the jungle ("I believe there are more of us than there are of you." might not have been wrong.


In the answers episode

they said there were only 30-40 others

I thought I remembered that being said somewhere, but I couldn't find an exact quote. That's about what I thought.