7-09-07: ADDED MORE IMAGES TO THE THREAD WITH OUTLINES--POST#86

DISCLAIMER FOR THE MODERATORS: After discussing the thread with MODERATOR DIABOLO237 (A Prince Among Darkness!) who condemned it to Hell, but then returned it back to the living (why do I suddenly feel like Spawn?) I need to state that I do have over-arching theories on this topic on the whole of LOST, not just for the episode "The Man Behind The Curtain", that I will be publishing. I just wanted to get the discussion off the ground first, with the post/links etc., and this was just the episode these particular images were spotted in, but not the only episodes we will be discussing.

I would also like to see this thread become an overall discussion of all hidden images in Lost, and hopefully as a companion to the Whispers thread (as I think they really could be related-the start of my theory!). (<>..<>)

I originally posted this topic Let Me Shoo The Flies Off You...SNOOZERS! (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=79847) under the episode thread for "The Man Behind The Curtain", but since I first posted this on the day of the new show "Greatest Hits", it really only had a short life on the board, but still generated about 3500 views and over 60 responses in that time, so if you want to check that thread first, that's cool as it was a "heat of the moment WTF is that?" kinda thread and contains the first original responses and is the genesis of this thread. Now, since everybody moves on to the "Greatest Hits" and beyond to stay current, as I would myself, we've moved it over here.

I think this is both an Easter Egg wink at us and a genuine theory so I'm going to try to start a discussion here, if for nothing else so that more people will have access to the images who otherwise would have missed them. Pythagoras99 helped me out alot with a great screencap. As far as I know, (and I checked alot of forums), I'm the only one who's seen it and posted on it, so if it pans out to something, well Big Ups to The Dude I suppose...:groupwave:

Ok, so is it really possible that I was the only one who saw the giant green skull/face in the jungle foliage during "The Man Behind The Curtain"? Either way, if this pans out, I'm lookin' for a LOST Eagle Eye Merit Badge out of it. If it doesn't, then I'm swearing off those Apollo Bars, with their creamy pschotropic nougat, like, forever man. Ok, ya ready?

The scene is: When Ben's dad is drunk and forgets his birthday, Ben runs out of the house, through some thick jungle, and emerges in a clearing in front of the sonic fence. Watch closely as he runs out of the jungle and the scene cuts to the clearing. As Ben bursts into the clearing, in the foliage behind Ben, is a giant skull/face head, and another chiseled looking skull on the right end of the foliage (not visible due to darkness). The middle skull is practically flourescent, since it is well-lit and brighter green/white than the rest of the foliage in the scene, and seemed to have a somewhat 3-D! look to it. You can't miss it! It was darker in the clearing during the scene in the show, which made it stand out like it was radioactive, saying "look at me look at me" and I had no problem spotting it in real time while re-watching the episode. That's right, I wasn't even slo-mo looking for anything, just re-watching this episode when I caught it.

And you wanna know something really eerie? It looks like the head is slightly turned to follow Ben with it's eyes as he runs by it. Just like the chiseled looking skull on the right end is facing the way that he came from, like their watching him coming and going. It also looks like the skulls have snakey bodies behind them, sort of like the head is at the end of a stalk type body. Similiar to the body of the "water probe" in the movie "The Abyss"-like the heads are snaking out of the foliage at the end of these "bodies".

So when Pythagoras posted the screen cap zoomed in, cropped and lightened up some, lo and behold the second chiseled looking skull on the right end is easily visible now, so we know we are on the right track in our search. And once you start examining the screencap there are like, 10 images in it I think. Of course with this being the Wizard of Oz episode, I figure they wanted to send us on a little trip of our own, and gave us something cool to discover, you know-something "Behind The Curtain" (the curtain being the darkness). Kinda fits with the theme of the episode.

Anyway, check out the 2 skulls in the screencap and look around in it to see what else you can pick out, and then after you digest it a little bit, I'll be back to explain more theory-wise in greater detail, and about how I think this relates to a big mystery of the whole of Lost...yummyyyy Dharma Beerrrrr... Namaste (<>..<>)

Please consider posting a link to the screen cap in this thread. Also consider a link to an animated gif of the sequence -- or maybe upload the material to youtube...

Hopefully as we find more images in more of the episodes, we can add them to the thread.

Here is Pythagoras screen cap and it is the one we are working off of since it is most excellent. This is how it looks when it is lightened up, as it was too dark in the show to see any of this except the glowing face/skull.

Think about the line in The Whispers about "If we go over there we might be able to see it, but I don't know"...Are these whispers others on the outside who aren't as immersed into the scene (the skull people), sort of in the background?. Doesn't this line kind of sound like what somebody who was in a crowd at some gathering (car wreck/concert whatever) might say to move around the crowd and get a better view of what's going on?, It being the event at the fence between Ben and his mom or is Ben the it? Curiouser and curiouser...(<>..<>)

demondog.jpg (http://development.erikmartin.com/demondog.jpg)

HERE ARE "THE WHISPERS" FROM THE SCENE:
Center (these are the hardest to hear...very faint)
full scene audio
1. Talk to him
2. Tell him that you're his mother
3. Tell him to be patient
4. That'll just make it worse
{Ben: Mom?}
{Mom Vision: Ben Don't!}
{Ben: Mom...}
Mom Vision: { It's not time yet, Benjamin.}

Front Right
full scene audio
1. What's happening
2. If we can go over there we might be able to see it, but I don't know
3. help us come through the fence
4. we're sending one, don't argue

Front Left
full scene audio
1. (..tell you) I'm glad you decided to see me/ to send me/to send him
2. Because I love him
3. That's right, that's what I mean/That's right, that's what I need
4. ____
5. Don't worry about it
6. You're the one ....

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QUOTE FROM PYTHAGORAS:For those who still don't believe it's intentional, here's a much better view. (This basically emphasizes the red and blue channels so that the only green stuff that shows up well is green stuff that is either reflecting light off a shiny surface or has been artificially lightened...)
demondog2.jpg (http://development.erikmartin.com/demondog2.jpg)
It looks like the one on the left, at least, is a complete face rather than a skull.
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OK back to me now: This is how it appeared in the episode:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-306.html

This is what caught my eye, and this is how it looked when I saw it in real-time while re-watching the episode. Like I said, it's so lit up behind him as opposed to everything else in the scene, as to be practically flourescent, so if you were watching closely it would stand out, and it did to me.

See, once you look "BEHIND THE CURTAIN" (of darkness), and lighten the screencap, you see alot more hidden images in the foliage. TPTB aren't going to give you anything but a clue, so you gotta dig in and FIND the rest. Without that screencap there's no way I could have found the rest of the things in the image, except for the glowing skull/face, as they are purposely hidden in the darkness, even the chiseled skull on the right end. I also think this is not just a wink at us/easter egg but also something integral to the series. Namaste (<>..<>)

YOU CAN'T MISS IT!

Yet the other 20 million people who saw this episode obviously did miss it. Your link is broken. Show me a screencap and we'll talk.

Dapper, oh yea of little faith tsk tsk...20 million people huh? Maybe I'm special then, like Walt Don't worry, the evidence is looking good on this one bro... (<>..<>)

Now, after slowly letting the Apollo bar melt in my mouth by first microwaving it slightly, and beer bonging down two Dharma Trippin' Hippy beers, I am ready to reveal what I think they did with this image and why. If it is what I think it is, it's really a double-gag, and I'll try to explain it.

I think most of the major characters from OZ are in the foliage, as well as a few more things, and I think it's a wink from the producers to us about "The Man Behind The Curtain". For people who are able to clearly see the skulls we are talking about, this is for you. If you can't see the skulls to start with, well then you're probably a man of science while I am a man of faith, because I can see it. I've also tried to illustrate how the "skulls" seem to have a body attached to them which makes it appear that they are "snaking" out of the foliage. I was imaging them at 200% when I outlined them so you should probably do the same to see the detail:
PLEASE SEE POST #86 FOR IMAGES..... (<>..<>)

This isnt a theory, its an observation in the episode, The Man Behind The Curtain, so the discussion belongs there. Thanks


Reopening to give the OP the opportunity to present the theory that goes along with his findings...

Thanks Diabolo237 Oh Prince Among Darkness, I appreciate the reprieve (it was really really hot and dark where you sent my thread to-it's nice that it can see the light of day again). Now back to work:
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"QUOTE FROM CROTCHETYPAPA: Oh man, just looked again and there are MANY faces in that shot! This has happened before in Season 1 - White Rabbit - a tree morphed into a rabbit right before our eyes. It was a shot of Jack's dad standing in the foliage after Jack walks by two of the losties arguing over water. The tree is bright green and you have to look at in slo-mo to see it. But it's there! I am going to be paying more attention to the foliage when I rewatch all the episodes this summer."
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I have seen the morphing rabbit of which you speak and will post a screencap of it in POST #86 (<>..<>)

Whoops

It's indisputable that we've seen strange skull-like faces in foliage and rocks since S1. I missed the rabbit tree, but I believe it appeared.

I agree that the ones mentioned in this thread are there. And some not mentioned.

They're as real - and as ambiguous - as the whispers.
I don't know what they mean. Maybe they're just to amp up the mystery and spooky factor, or maybe they're major clues, who knows?
I'm not much interested in either the images or the whispers for now. But certainly they keep cropping up.

wow I totally missed that skull! It looks great in the lostmedia real image from the show, without even any lightening! I'll have to watch this again right now!

Ok, I just watched it in super-slow motion a couple times, it kinda looks like it does turn it's head to follow Ben. Nice catch!

wow I totally missed that skull! It looks great in the lostmedia real image from the show, without even any lightening! I'll have to watch this again right now!

Ok, I just watched it in super-slow motion a couple times, it kinda looks like it does turn it's head to follow Ben. Nice catch!

Thanks-it's following Ben with its eyes and appears in 3-D...if you go to THE WHISPERS thread for this episode you will see that this scene aligns with the whispers pertaining to the meeting with his "mom" at the sonic fence. If it was flush it wouldn't be able to see towards the fence, so as he runs by it extends itself out to watch what is happening over at the fence. Then the whispers are saying stuff like "Tell him your his mom/Tell him you love him/Tell him it's not time yet..." so if you start matching these images up with the whispers from the scene I think it's pretty obvious that the whispers and the images are tied together. The whispers ARE the images and the images are the whispers.

And with the whispers directing Ben's "mom" on what to say to him, I have to submit that the whisperers are responsible for the apparitions on the island, including Ben's mom, Christian, Dave. This is how they "use" the people on the island. In the same scene, some other whispers talk about needing to "get through the fence", and the whisper watching Ben replies with something like "calm down we are sending somebody", which of course was Ben because when he did finally go through the sonic fence he let them through. So, "they" did send "someone", Ben to disarm the fence so the whisperers trapped on the outside of the fence could get to the inside.

Sawyer on the beach: When he hears the Whispers apparently they are watching him from the edge of the jungle while he's on the beach. They even whisper things like "Did he see you" and "Dennis, hand me the scope" so there are 2 guys spying on Sawyer here. Suddenly it's like their spotted, and "Dennis" is saying "Sorry sorry sorry" and in the whispers you hear an "Intruder Intruder" voice alarm sounding. I think they became too exposed and their "camo" started getting shaky. The Intruder alert is a result of getting too close to Sawyer, which makes him too close to them, and sets off the alarm. If Sawyer is the "intruder", what is he intruding on? The hatch system they disappear into which is in the foliage? What exactly is "the scope".

The whisperers think he might have spotted them, and the whisper conversation here is "push back against the bushes and hide" and "open the door" to get away from Sawyer. Another earlier whisper by "Dennis" was " "what if he shoots at us", no concern for a "ghost", but a concern for somebody who is on the island too.

As crazy as your theory first reads(no offense!:biggrin: ) I like it and,esp after seeing (sort of) Jacob it seems plausible.

I never belived Ben actually saw a ghost/vision of his Mother but what someone/thing made him think he did and when youread the whispers it seems to confirm that.

The whispers are real....theyre coming from the Island and your theory of who/what they are is as good as any!

This is alot of rambling.
What is the point of your theory? So you see skulls, and you hear whispers. I tried reading through your posts, but it hurts my head.
Tighten it up-

Maybe I'll edit it today, but it's not SO rambling now as to be incoherent, it's a complicated point and I'm still postulating the theory kinda on the fly, but I'll try to "sharpen the point of the spear" for everybody, as it was just a rushed job and a long post, but I think a valid point. (<>..<>)
P.S. You will all understand this better if you read the transcripts in the WHISPERS thread first. Then you can see the IMAGES in this thread. THEN you will see how the images are occuring at the SAME TIME as the whispers are occuring.

Good, I'm looking forward to it.

I think it was written well enough. From what I can see, most in-depth theories are difficult for some to get into (in the comprehension sense), no matter how well they're written. This could make nothing less than perfect sense to you and you would still have people confused.

Regardless of that, this is one of the very few extremely in-depth theories that I actually like, which may be partially because it goes a long way toward explaining Jacob, which I've been wondering how they were going to do.

To spin off from your theory a bit, away from anything mystical or too far out there for the common mind... I really like the idea of them using cloaking technology which does exist. It would also explain why one of them is actually afraid of getting shot.

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"QUOTE FROM CROTCHETYPAPA: Oh man, just looked again and there are MANY faces in that shot! This has happened before in Season 1 - White Rabbit - a tree morphed into a rabbit right before our eyes. It was a shot of Jack's dad standing in the foliage after Jack walks by two of the losties arguing over water. The tree is bright green and you have to look at in slo-mo to see it. But it's there! I am going to be paying more attention to the foliage when I rewatch all the episodes this summer."
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Greetings. I watched this scene frame by frame, both with and without Uncle Locke's Medicinal Jungle Paste, and saw no morphing bunny rabbits.

However, in the extended sequence following that, where Jack then runs around the jungle like a crazy person, I saw many good faces, human and otherwise, in the jungle folliage. I'll post some screen caps when I get a chance.

Cool Pythagoras-Stay off the paste dude, stick to the chocolate and beer. Remember what they told you in kiddiegarten-DON'T EAT THE PASTE! That's GOOD advice man, right up there with "Mr. Magoo is not to be trusted". The paste is ceremonial and should be used sparingly.
(<>..--)

Anyway I'm going to miss around with the paint tonight and see if I can outline some of the images and post it...(<>..<>)

Many have walked this road before you, a poster named lucky4me8 has already found alot of cloaked people in his/her threads you can search. Here is one I found its a oldie but goodie from the first ep, remember the pilot getting pulled through the cockpit window?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-539.html

Look right above the pilots head see the cloaked claw one pincer by his head and one by his chevron on his shirt, so, they have cloaked machines too.

That's what we need, any images that are hidden or possibly even in plain sight, and the dark shots might need to be lightened them to look into the darkness.

I'll try to track down some scenes with the whispers (I've got Season 1 & 2 on DVD) to check for the images. (<>..<>)

Many have walked this road before you, a poster named lucky4me8 has already found alot of cloaked people in his/her threads you can search. Here is one I found its a oldie but goodie from the first ep, remember the pilot getting pulled through the cockpit window?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-539.html

Look right above the pilots head see the cloaked claw one pincer by his head and one by his chevron on his shirt, so, they have cloaked machines too.

I'm not seeing it. Please enlighten me.

I took the scene when young Ben is running to the sonic fence, slowed it down a couple times and posted the clip on YouTube. Here is a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL-7HHfMy0k

I can see the skull pretty well and it does seem to be highlighted just enough to make it seem intentional. But I disagree with your theory that Ben is the "someone" that the whispers say they are sending. As you can imagine, I had to watch the scene pretty closely when I was making this clip, and one of the loudest audible whispers comes right as Ben gets to the sonic fence, a bit before he sees his mom. It says, "Relax, we're sending someone." And then Ben's mom appears. I think the "someone" is the apparition Ben sees. Just my opinion.

there are alot of faces in things ,it just takes time to see them.
however, I wanted to add this if I could.
after seeing the great screen shot of ben I remembered all the things I have found.
the face in jacks eye on the pilot.
and that made me remember that Jack when he was taking off his shirt in the pilot to see his wound, there was a piece of rock that looked a snake back..
not sure if there are other things there.. but it comes into play with the 4 toes and the pillar of fun for lockes dad..
I dont have a screen cap

One of the first things we learn as an infant is the ability to resolve faces. It is a common human trait to resolve a face out of a few random marks. In the book "Understanding Comics" Scott McCloud devotes a lot of time to this, and it is well worth the read. Don't believe me, go look at the little surprised face in the wall plug or stare at the front of your car. Over the years I've seen several threads where people posted frames supposedly showing faces worked into Lost footage. They were no more convincing than the faces I can resolve out of the pattern in the drapes behind my monitor. Several of the special effects in Lost, 3D animals, the smoke monster, etc. have been of dubious quality. I don't want to judge the CGI staff, it's a weekly show and I don't know the time-constraints or restrictions they are working under (we do know the quality that they CAN achieve from the pilot), but it doesn't make sense that they can't pull off a 3D boar (or was it a polar bear), but they can find the time and budget to perfectly track in all these 3D faces, integrate them into the moving footage, perfectly rotoscope the actors back on top of the effect, and make it so subtle and perfect that only a handful of people notice.

Sorry guys, I just don't buy it.

I think that is a popular misconception brother and here's why. When you look at a cloud for instance and see an image, you are not projecting the image on the cloud, the cloud is SUGGESTING the image to you. Let's say "the image" is a dragon. Most of the time when you are playing this game, the other person with you will say, "Oh I see it now" once you outline it for them, so now you have 2 people seeing the same thing. The point is that the cloud ACTUALLY does look like a dragon, it's not just you projecting it out of your head, because the OTHER PERSON SEES IT TOO which makes it "real" in a sense and gives it substance. If you play this game and the other person doesn't see it, then either you aren't outlining it right to them or it just simply isn't there and you are projecting it from your own mind. Just like "Jesus in the tortilla shell". Nobody is claiming that Jesus is in the Tortilla shell, it's just that the pattern LOOKS like Jesus, that's it. If the design in the shell didn't SUGGEST Jesus to the viewers, then it probably isn't really there and 90% of the people would say they just don't see it.

The images in the foliage aren't your mind suggesting them, it's the foliage suggesting them to your mind, simply because the images are so deliberate that your mind can't suggest anything else it could be. As an example, I've been looking at bushes and trees around here for 2 days, and it's really hard to find any patterns in them that suggest anything to me whatsoever. That is because there is a difference between "looking" for an image and just right-off "seeing" an image. You are more likely to make up an image if you are "looking" for one which takes time, but when you "see" an image that jumps right out at you instantly (like the skulls) that's different than "looking" for one.

If there is no pattern that is really in there that resembles something to you, then you aren't going to see anything because it just ain't there. The design has to suggest something to you first so that then you can say "look do you see the dragon in the cloud-that's cool" and when somebody else says "yes I do" then you know that the cloud really does resemble a dragon, it's that simple.

Human beings have the unique ability to recognize patterns in things, but don't take it to the extreme. We also have the ability to recognize when something isn't really a pattern and we are stretching to make it into one. Among individuals,our brains are wired differently, some people have better visual acuity, some people CAN'T see patterns that well, some people are just automatic skeptics, some people don't have the imagination, or as I like to say they can't bend themselves they can only bend the spoon. etc etc.

For those reasons and probably some more not listed, I accept why some people can't see what we are talking about here, but when they say they don't see the 2 skulls in the lightened photo, then you have to think that it is just a total whiff on their part since in all probability they are never going to see anything if they can't pick out, at least, the 2 deliberate skulls in the image when we know the whispers are there during that scene-and don't forget that some people will be automatically skeptical-it's their first instinct. Remember: "The ignorant are often skeptical when confronted with new knowledge". I'm not dissin' anyone, that's just a real quote. Namaste (<>..<>)

I don't know what to think. I'm sceptical, it reminds me of the "the others reflected in Jack's eyes" thing in the Pilot and the likes of it.

odd as it sounds. we all of us here "see" LOST like no one else does.. I see things in the foliage and on stuff.. does it mean the producers put it there, who knows.. but one thing is for sure it keeps me going.. could it be that all the clues, both visual and audio, some together to give a our subscious a hit to put it together..
every time i watch the pilot, i get this feeling that they are telling me something, giving me the answers.. but i left my decoder ring somewhere...

I will continue to keep an "eye open" :)


Lochenwhite - you can see that? me too! creepy!
very creepy!

It says, "Relax, we're sending someone." And then Ben's mom appears. I think the "someone" is the apparition Ben sees. Just my opinion.

That's what I assumed too. But one weird thing... we get the impression that Ben's mom appeared out of thin air, but she didn't. Right before we see her, we first see a wide shot, then Ben looks the other direction, and then he looks back and she's there. In the last few frames of the wide shot, you can see the light clothing of someone just starting to emerge from the jungle (walking).

Either or, it's cool, we definitely know that they are "sending one". This is a plan. It also means that the Whispers outside are stopped by the fence, and, that there are Whispers already inside the Dharma camp calling the shots and setting things up...(<>..<>)

it's just bushes and trees, folks.

Human beings have the unique ability to recognize patterns in things, but don't take it to the extreme. We also have the ability to recognize when something isn't really a pattern and we are stretching to make it into one. Among individuals,our brains are wired differently, some people have better visual acuity, some people CAN'T see patterns that well, some people are just automatic skeptics, some people don't have the imagination, or as I like to say they can't bend themselves they can only bend the spoon. etc etc.

For those reasons and probably some more not listed, I accept why some people can't see what we are talking about here, but when they say they don't see the 2 skulls in the lightened photo, then you have to think that it is just a total whiff on their part since in all probability they are never going to see anything if they can't pick out, at least, the 2 deliberate skulls in the image when we know the whispers are there during that scene-and don't forget that some people will be automatically skeptical-it's their first instinct. Remember: "The ignorant are often skeptical when confronted with new knowledge". I'm not dissin' anyone, that's just a real quote. Namaste (<>..<>)

I think we are trying to make different points. Can I see the face in the footage, sure. To me that isn't the question. The question is whether it is a random pattern of dark and light areas that suggests a face, yes strongly suggests a face, like the cloud example you are talking about, or whether the producers and director decided to place a face there and went to the time and expense to do that.

I make my living with my visual acuity, and I do exactly the type of work you are suggesting was done to this footage. It is impossible to look at the footage and completely eliminate the possibility that it was added later, but it has none of the seams, none of the corners cut that you would expect from someone doing this type of work on a TV budget and a weekly episode deadline. The face rotates and tracks perfectly with 3D perspective to a hand held camera - a very difficult thing to pull off. It is hard to imagine that the extra effort to track the face in 3D rather than a much easier 2D track would have been performed, since the amount of perspective change is so minimal, or that they wouldn't have used a locked down camera for that particular shot to MASSIVELY reduce the time and expense of the effect. The actor, who is almost entirely in darkness, sihouettes perfectly against the supposed effect. He would have had to be painted back in over the effect a frame at a time by hand, and without the overlit green patch there I think you can see how difficult it would have been to tell where the actor ended and the dark woods began. I've done this type of shot before and they only turn out with a tremendous amount of time and effort. Again, maybe they added it, but I can tell you that if so they did a MUCH better job of it than they have with the smoke monster or the 3D boar they tried a while back. And since those were effects that were right there for God and everybody to see, you would think at least the same effort would go into them.

Sorry to be skeptical since I know you have put some effort into this, but that's my honest opinion.

Nice catch, but ets face it, we are diehard hardcore Lost fans, but what about norml everyday people who watch Lost, do you really think they are going to notice these things?? I don't think that tptb really put a lot of these things there on purpose, the invisible claws in the Pilot maybe. Nice observation though, very interesting.

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=80479

That thread has something.

ANIMATORMIKE: I respect what you do, but I have to believe that you have fallen victim to another misconception: That Lost is just another TV show with just another TV show's budget and way of doing things. The pilot for Lost cost $12 million to shoot. (BTW from what I read about it, when it was screened for the network brass, at the end of it everybody turned around and looked at the ABC Chief-Of Entertainment, who gave it the green-light, like he was crazy. Like "You spent $12 million on this? The pilot cost him his job).

Lost is a HUGE WORLDWIDE cash cow for ABC and as such I'm sure they are free from most of the budget restraints of other shows. With the large cast, the location filming, the fact that the cost of living and goods is alot higher in Hawaii, I don't think anybody involved is too worried aboout the money they are putting out, compared to the money that's coming in. If they were, then they would have cut more corners from the beginning. More of it would have been shot in a studio and locations on the mainland instead of one of the most expensive places to operate in the world, Hawaii.

Here's another point to think about as far as the images purposely being placed in the show. This is from THE WHISPERS thread" I QUOTE:
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Pen says:
Right now, it seems like some people have an easier time listening than others. In terms of (hearing the words), you have to realise that a lot of the voices are purposely hidden in the audio and not meant to be easily heard. In the audio clips there are many sounds layered on top of each other.
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Now this should tell us that if they are going to go to all this trouble to goof around with the audio to give us clues, that they are going to take at least some chances to goof around with the video to give us clues too. Just makes sense to me. Just take the above statement and substitute in the words Video for Audio and Images for Sounds and then re-read it, and it sounds just like the situation I think we have-images and layered images in the show.

Also, speaking of visual acuity, I worked for 6 years in Engineering in an ABC affiliate as a Master Control operator. This required swithching prime time programming/commercials as well as setting up video levels on the shows, and the cameras for the newscasts, for quality control purposes.

The point is, having to run all this programming in 12+ hour shifts taught me how to see TV in a kinda 3-D way, focusing on the foreground AND the background, as watching the background in a show sometimes yielded the best bloopers/mistakes/details etc. That's just how I see TV and is how I caught the glowing face on the dark background to start with, by watching TV the way I DO. It's no big trick it's just a process I learned after watching countless hours of TV programming. .

P.S. Any Twin Peaks people in here? Does anybody remember the Harley Davidson reflected back in Laura Palmer's eye when agent Cooper was playing back the home video for the local cops. They never saw anything until he pointed out the reflection, but he was FBI and they were local and would never have thought to look for something so obscure. But it was a big clue...(<>..<>)

One of the first things we learn as an infant is the ability to resolve faces. It is a common human trait to resolve a face out of a few random marks. In the book "Understanding Comics" Scott McCloud devotes a lot of time to this, and it is well worth the read. Don't believe me, go look at the little surprised face in the wall plug or stare at the front of your car. Over the years I've seen several threads where people posted frames supposedly showing faces worked into Lost footage. They were no more convincing than the faces I can resolve out of the pattern in the drapes behind my monitor. Several of the special effects in Lost, 3D animals, the smoke monster, etc. have been of dubious quality. I don't want to judge the CGI staff, it's a weekly show and I don't know the time-constraints or restrictions they are working under (we do know the quality that they CAN achieve from the pilot), but it doesn't make sense that they can't pull off a 3D boar (or was it a polar bear), but they can find the time and budget to perfectly track in all these 3D faces, integrate them into the moving footage, perfectly rotoscope the actors back on top of the effect, and make it so subtle and perfect that only a handful of people notice.

Sorry guys, I just don't buy it.

You're right that the human mind has an uncanny ability to find faces in patterns. So the question is whether or not the natural pattern suggests the faces or if the faces were superimposed purposely by the effects people. In the example from TMBTC, I don't think there can be any question. The second picture below highlights only the parts of the foliage which should be directly reflecting the light, which would be the leaves or halves or spines of leaves that are oriented just the right way to do so. In both the faces, there are gradual continuous curves, on a much greater scale than any individual leaf, and the kinds of patterns of light and dark within those faces are completely unlike any of the patterns of light and dark anywhere else in the shot. In other words, the likelihood of this happening by the natural orientation of the leaves, is either infinitesimal, or zero.

original screen cap (http://development.erikmartin.com/demondog.jpg)
reflected_light emphasized (http://development.erikmartin.com/demondog2.jpg)


And it's been acknowledged by TPTP that they do insert both visual and audio easter eggs and clues into the show, that the vast majority of viewers will never see. As for superimposing images onto moving footage, that's a pretty much automatic process these days.

As for superimposing images onto moving footage, that's a pretty much automatic process these days.

Gonna have to get me one of those automatic superimposing machines for my animation and special effects house then. :)

I've had my say and I stand by it, but I have no desire to undermine your efforts or ruin your fun. Good luck with it - hope you prove me wrong.

I don't really know. Here is my footage of a frame by frame of the scene. http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/avi3000/dog.gif
It really reminds me of the face on mars and how this ---->http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/09/23/mars_2409_narrowweb__300x337,0.jpg turns into this ---->http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extended_may2001/face/face_E03-00824_proc.gif.
It's the classic human brain misinterpreting images, until closer inspection reveals that it's nothing more than an optical illusion.

Avi-thanks for the slo-mo video that was cool, and BTW I had no problem watching the glowing skull all the way through the scene. It's there man, and it ain't goin' nowhere between frames, it's rock solid. And why is so much light focused on that spot when everything else is so dark?

And about that face on Mars-I'm not sayin' it is a face, but The Disclosure Project has among it's ranks a former employee in the Nasa imaging dept. who says that any UFO's photographed are airbrushed out of the space pics before they are distributed or sold. Soooo, I might not believe everything Nasa says about imaging... (<>..<>)

Here is an old thread on faces that I posted: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=16289&highlight=face

Here is an old thread on faces that I posted: http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=16289&highlight=face

Welcome ChiefTanLost. BTW you aren't crazy dude, people are talking about seeing images in many places in Lost, DIABOLO237 says that if we can link whispers with images we will get a sticky like The Whispers thread. We can already link the whispers at the fence with the images in the foliage in the Ben scene, (<>..<>)

UnderAlienControl: Hey man for a picture of the White Rabbit check out Nanabrenty's profile and look at her avatar to see the White Rabbit. She called it first and posted about it under that episode.

There are many images in the episodes. I once was looking at the flames of one of the fires and I swore I saw a dragon. I can't remember which episode it was but I believe it was also in the first season. I am planning on doing a massive review of all the episodes this summer so I will definitely post any other "sitings" I find.

Come on People - even with my bifocals I can see it! It is there! Someone needs to post a picture of this scene with the Wizard of Oz pictures in it and circle them or outline them so other people can go back and see them.

I took the cap of the scene in question from lost media and outlined what I saw and posted about in the original thread. I don't just see a skull-like face... I see a monsterous body attached too it... perhaps cloaked, somewhat.

On my work computer (sucky graphics card) it doesn't look as impressive as on my laptop at home... (awesome graphics). At home when I enlarge the cap, I can see it in much greater detail and the "body" of the monster takes on a mechanical aspect to it. I'm not sure I have an opinion on what this means... I'm just letting you know what I see. :)
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=curtaincapry2.png

Okay, I'm going to take a stab at this. This is what I see; possible hidden faces.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/faces.jpg

From left to right....I'm purely guessing here.

Goggleboy, Jack, Locke, Sun, Hurley and finally.... what might be a little girl at the bottom.
Could be I just looked at this pic a little too often.:rolleyes:

Thanks for your screen caps - but you both missed a lot! There are even faces in the grass. And more in the bushes that you circled. If I knew how to do it I would but I can't so I won't!

Yeah, there probably is more to find. The ones that I circled are the faces I was fairly certain of. I think I see the chief (mayan-looking) that the OP spoke of. I also think there's a face hidden under the main "monster" head.

Gregg Nations just confirmed that its just a lighting effect, which was obvious all along.

Gregg Nations just confirmed that its just a lighting effect, which was obvious all along.

With all due respect to Gregg and you too who posted this consider 2 things.

1) If TPTB told him the deal (it may have never been mentioned to him), do you think he would tell you? Kinda like asking a wolf if he ate the chickens isn't it?

2) Even if my theory was dead-on right, I wouldn't expect it to be confirmed by anybody on the show or TPTB, this early in the game. We will have to wait and see if the show bears out the theory or not. Has anybody gotten any info from TPTB about what the Whispers really are? I don't think so, and it's probably the same with the hidden imagery.

We already know from various analytical techniques on the pictures by Pythagoras and others that there is something hinky about this scene. The pixels in the "skullface" don't match up well with the background suggesting insertion, and Pythagoras has used some good techniques to try to show that he is sure it is deliberate, and I gotta agree with him. .(<>..<>)

With all due respect to Gregg and you too who posted this consider 2 things.

1) In his post about "What a Script Coordinator does" you will see that he is not involved in the planning of the show as he refers to those that are as the "showrunners". His job begins after that point, checking and distributing the script and seeking clearances for names and items (sounds like a really cool job though). So even if TPTB told him the deal (it may have never been mentioned to him), do you think he would tell you? Kinda like asking a wolf if he ate the chickens isn't it?

2) Even if my theory was dead-on right, I wouldn't expect it to be confirmed by anybody on the show or TPTB, this early in the game. We will have to wait and see if the show bears out the theory or not. Nobody would say yes or no to you, even if you somehow accidently solved a big part of Lost since there are 3 seasons left. If it was me, I would be like "give them the images but don't comment on it, let them figure it out" ya know, like throw 'em a bone but keep it on the QT.

We already know from various analytical techniques on the pictures by Pythagoras and others that there is something hinky about this scene. The pixels in the "skullface" don't match up well with the background suggesting insertion, and Pythagoras has used some good techniques to try to show that he is sure it is deliberate, and I gotta agree with him. I mailed him my outlined images so they should be posted soon, but if this was true, don't you think it would ruin the whole gag if TPTB said "You got us, we did it." Like I said if it was me it would be "we gave them the images, let them chew on it, we ain't sayin' nothing". If I made this show, that would be my attitude about it. After all, this is Lost, why do you think they would "un-puzzle" you? I think they would rather have you "puzzled"-Food for thought...Namaste (<>..<>)

Remember: "The ignorant are often skeptical when confronted with new knowledge".

Oh WOW! I see the face of Jesus in my grilled cheese sandwich! :rolleyes:

Remember: "The ignorant are often skeptical when confronted with new knowledge".

Touche AnimatorMike, touche, In his response Gregg says it "looks like it COULD be a lighting thing...it is eerie though" That isn't definite info one way or the other. that kinda implies to me that he's either covering it up OR out of the loop and really didn't know about it...it wouldn't surprise me if he knows however and is just playing the "artful dodger" on this one...Namaste (<>..<>)

Let's just say the images were put there purposefully. Okay, no problem. Not a stretch. It's the rest of it I have a problem with. There are a lot of ifs, ifs, ifs. A lot of suppositions. Some theories stay close to the text, have evidence at every step of the way. Some take what's there in the show and then go way off, pulling from here and there to spin something out of it. Your theory strikes me as the latter. It would be more believable if maybe you were calmer and less super exuberant!! SUPER EXUBERANT!! But that's just me. Whatever floats your boat. Thanks for the screencaps; that takes a lot of time.

Hey underaliencontrol,

I have a couple of questions for you. I have a background in video production and I cannot believe that I missed that skull or alien head thing with young Ben. Did you see that on the first viewing? I cannot look with a discerning eye when I am rapped up in a program. I see it now clearly, but at first glimpse I missed it. Does watching a program nullify your enjoyment? I can't imagine scanning the screen constantly. Kudos to you for telling us about it. I await your reply.

Hey underaliencontrol,

I have a couple of questions for you. I have a background in video production and I cannot believe that I missed that skull or alien head thing with young Ben. Did you see that on the first viewing? I cannot look with a discerning eye when I am rapped up in a program. I see it now clearly, but at first glimpse I missed it. Does watching a program nullify your enjoyment? I can't imagine scanning the screen constantly. Kudos to you for telling us about it. I await your reply.

Hi Rick-I worked in an ABC TV station for 6 years, in Production and Master Control so I've seen my share of video also. I first noticed it while re-watching the episode on my computer, at ABC.com. I was re-watching it because "Greatest Hits" the new episode was airing that night.

Well, Ben runs through the clearing, and I said to myself, "WTF, he just ran past a huge glowing skull that's watching him". So I backed it up and froze it. So yeah, I had no problem spotting it in real time, because it's GLOWING against the darkness of the rest of the scene. That's why I spotted it, The glow, And, I knew what it was immediately, it stood out that much with that much detail. I didn't think "what was that?", I thought "that's a big glowing skull."... (<>..<>)

What happens if you play Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" while watching "The Man Behind the Curtain"?

:Jumpy:

What happens if you play Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" while watching "The Man Behind the Curtain"?

:Jumpy:
I'm sure the Apollo bars would instantly melt and the Dharma beer would go flat...;)

Images Moved To Post #86 (<>..<>)

still believe your trying a little too hard, I dont think there is anything there and nations agrees, but I support your right to see and hear whatever you want so keep up the good work.

Okay, I'm going to take a stab at this. This is what I see; possible hidden faces.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/faces.jpg

From left to right....I'm purely guessing here.

Goggleboy, Jack, Locke, Sun, Hurley and finally.... what might be a little girl at the bottom.
Could be I just looked at this pic a little too often.:rolleyes:


Cool! I can see "Skeletor" above the girl with headband pic....

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&hl=en&q=skeletor

I'm 50/50 on this being something put in by TPTB......helps pass the time to season 4 either way!

still believe your trying a little too hard, I dont think there is anything there and nations agrees, but I support your right to see and hear whatever you want so keep up the good work.

Nations didn't ABSOLUTELY disagree and please read my earlier posts on this about the "artful dodger"-what I find funny is he answered your kinda generic post on this, but skipped right over my more detailed posting on it...he answered most of the ones before and after my post but just skipped right over mine...kinda makes me wonder, since I now have to file that move under "artful dodger" also...(<>..<>)

And Caforrest did you see my post about how Nations answered the other guys Jacob theories...I'd have to say he was being very ambiguous, to say the least...(<>..<>)

There would be three reasons to be seeing what your seeing. One, it was done on purpose by the special effect dept. to add to the storyline. Two, it was added by the Special Effects dept. to merely have fun. Three, you're seeing the "Man in the Moon".

I believe you've got all three working here. The first two are wonderful discoveries and you've got them. But some images are clearly just shapes, as per some of the animals.

I recall when they were making mini-models for Star Wars the SE department would do some really fun things, thinking only the real "fans" would find them.

Good stuff UAC. ^..^

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well i have been seeing things since half of season 2.. and when went back to season one, well there are things..
can say what . but it is clear that "some one is watching" them.. thats my IMO.
100%
bali is known for its gods... that everyone there has a temple to one...
so if they are near bali.. could it be we are seeing the gods!
imo

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Since he directed his comment at me, I wasn't gonna say nothin' to Terrible Twist about it cause this is a cool board (no flaming! man), except to ask him if next time he could be just a little more direct :) , but If I could assist the officer:

Bad boys, bad boys
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
When they come for you

Bad boys
Whatcha want, watcha want
Whatcha gonna do
When sheriff John Brown come for you
Tell me
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna dooo
Yeaheah... (<>..<>)

Yeah TestMember, I remember reading about the "extra effects" in Star Wars for the hardcore to find and I wouldn't rule it out here either. Your right, the "skulls" and the OZ stuff I think is pretty much nailed down. The animals in the dark shot-more iffy I agree, but I have no problem seing them with very little effort. Although you don't think the animals in the dark images are there, just keep an open mind on it simply because it is a Stephen King thing-The Shining.

Heads Up to all DVD'ers out there-I might have found another example of the "faces in the foliage" phenomena, to wit:

In Season 1--Episode:"Homecoming"--Chapter 5--right when the chapter starts, look to the right of Charlie's head. As the scene opens you will get a good look at it. Looks like a face in the foliage, and in a way like Ethan's face because of the hawkish nose. Now, when the camera centers on Charlie you see the face on the right, (although it's not as detailed as when looking at it from the scene start), and also a face on the left side of Charlie's head.

It looks human but has a slight manimal look to it, sorta cat-like, and both heads are large and are on either side of Charlie's head at this point. This is during the scene when they are discussing using Claire as bait to catch Ethan. If these are "faces", they would have a perfect view of the plan being formulated.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/MVC-044PF-1_edited.jpg

This is in the episode before Sawyer hears the whispers in "Outlaws", so who knows if this is pre-saging the whispers or not? I'm trying to get a screencap now...(<>..<>)

Heads Up to all DVD'ers out there-I caught this while watching in real-time, not slo-mo, and that's when I tend to investigate closer. I might have found another example of the "faces in the foliage" phenomena, to wit:

In Season 1--Episode:"Homecoming"--Chapter 5--right when the chapter starts, look to the right of Charlie's head. As the scene opens you will get a good look at it. Looks like a face in the foliage, and in a way like Ethan's face because of the hawkish nose. Now, when the camera centers on Charlie you see the face on the right, (although it's not as detailed as when looking at it from the scene start), and also a face on the left side of Charlie's head.

It looks human but has a slight manimal look to it, sorta cat-like, and both heads are large and are on either side of Charlie's head at this point. This is during the scene when they are discussing using Claire as bait to catch Ethan. If these are "faces", they would have a perfect view of the plan being formulated.

This is in the episode before Sawyer hears the whispers in "Outlaws", so who knows if this is pre-saging the whispers or not? I'm trying to get a screencap now...(<>..<>)


further into the epi ( couldnt see what you did! but doesnt mean its not there) when the scene of jack kicking b*** on ethen.. i went slowly and found that jack's tatoo is on the wrong arm.. but he doesnt change positions of hitting ethen. then later there is mirror image of sayid behind jack.. his right arm is mirrored in!!
take it slow when jack is hitting ethan..

anyway.. I have confidence that there is alot more to this island than they are telling us.. DUGH! but it feel so good to know I am not the only one "seeing things"..
:)

I'm IN so what do you make of it all UnderAlienControl? Because they seem way to distinct to simply be lighting anomalies? are these maybe the folks doing the whispering?

Forgive me if I seem daft. But i really mean it sounds cool.

Future people... dead people... alive people that might be dead soon?

I'm IN so what do you make of it all UnderAlienControl? Because they seem way to distinct to simply be lighting anomalies? are these maybe the folks doing the whispering?

Forgive me if I seem daft. But i really mean it sounds cool.

Future people... dead people... alive people that might be dead soon?

What up Zath I'll check out that fight scene next, I got some screencaps for the faces, but they ain't great, best I could do with my monitor and my digicam.

Whatup Bill, I'm re-watching the eps and I'm just getting to the parts where the Whispers start. TestMember had pretty good thoughts on it, they were fair enough, and are posted on this page... (<>..<>)

After perusing this thread, I felt compelled to take trip down Lost fandom memory lane and dig up some old stuff.

This link is for a thread with hidden images in Lost, mostly of hidden faces and things like that. Check out posts # 1, #6 and #13. (A couple of the image links have expired.)
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=29875&highlight=horse

Below is a thread with links to images of smokey on the plane: Check out posts #1, #12 and #23. (A few of the image links have expired)
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=29044&highlight=photographic

Some of this stuff is also on an old, mostly dormant, blog of mine..(Please ignore the comments that try to sell you something. I did not put them there.)
http://mrfind.blogspot.com/

Thanks.

Thanks Mr. Find I checked out the images and as I stated in an earlier post, I suck at this game, so I only see something if it jumps straight out at me like the skulls for instance. The images I kinda see what is being suggested, but it's more of a Rorshach test to me, and a bit abstract but yeah I kinda see it, but man that would be some hidden imagery wouldn't it!

The Smokey on the plane was interesting also. That is alot more tangible whether it is Smokey or just smoke from the breakup of the plane.

It's hard to make people believe what you are seeing, and what I'm exhibiting I don't think is abstract in the least. Pretty solid, detailed images, outlined and highlighted, and some people still don't want to believe that. I guess your right-in both instances, you can either see them or not.

So we are on the same vibe in a sense, I just don't have the Rorshach like abilities to see "hidden imagery" as well as some people, but I can definitely get a clue when they are beating me over the head with it, hence the skulls, if you know what I mean, ...(<>..<>)

After perusing this thread, I felt compelled to take trip down Lost fandom memory lane and dig up some old stuff.

This link is for a thread with hidden images in Lost, mostly of hidden faces and things like that. Check out posts # 1, #6 and #13. (A couple of the image links have expired.)
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=29875&highlight=horse

Below is a thread with links to images of smokey on the plane: Check out posts #1, #12 and #23. (A few of the image links have expired)
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=29044&highlight=photographic

Some of this stuff is also on an old, mostly dormant, blog of mine..(Please ignore the comments that try to sell you something. I did not put them there.)
http://mrfind.blogspot.com/

Thanks.

Sopranos fans might enjoy the image linked to in post #6 from the first thread linked above. I thought it would be appropiate to mention that at this time......An off-topic aside (my apologies): My prediction is it will be revealed that all the Sopranos TV series ever was is Tony's flashback while he, as a prosecution witness, is in the present day serving time in the witness protection program on some really, weird island. Nobody will find him there, for sure

Ok guys...I saw the green skull you speak of and I admit, I think it must have been added afterwards. But all these other shapes you are seeing in the bushes is just completely your imagination.

To prove my point, I took a random pic off of google images. If you don't believe me, search for "forest" on google images and on the second page you will find this pic. It took me all of about 1 or 2 minutes to find these easter eggs/source of the whispers in my image.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/sickotriz/aerialMODIFIED.jpg (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/sickotriz/aerialMODIFIED.jpg)

And think about it. Why are you finding so many animals in your pictures of bushes. Do you really think whisperer version of boone or anyone else looks like a llama or emu.

I don't believe this thread is still going, well done. There are no images in the foliage.

I don't believe this thread is still going, well done. There are no images in the foliage.

Sorry to disagree with ya Caforrest, but some of the images are real I'm afraid, and let me remind you of something you put in your signature:
"We all know this is LOST and anything can happen."
Have you changed your opinion since you posted this in your signature? Just curious...

QUOTE CISCO: And think about it. Why are you finding so many animals in your pictures of bushes. Do you really think whisperer version of boone or anyone else looks like a llama or emu.(?)

I see your point with the foliage Cisco, but c'mon, no offense, those images you drew really don't suggest those images to me, I mean it looks more like you drew an outline over the foliage, as the inside of the outline suggests absolutely no detail. When you look at THESE outlines, look at the detail which is contained inside of the outline-that is what is different.

I agree, the animals are more iffy, but the main focus is the skulls. Even the Oz imagery I agree could be suspect, but I wasn't even looking for any of that when I found it. I was just looking for more skulls when I saw that stuff, and if the resemblance to Oz is coincidental, so be it-but it's a hell of a coincidence for an episode titled "The Man Behind The Curtain".

I've been refining the images and will be re-posting them so check them out. In the glowing skull-dark scene, I think I've figured out that we are supposed to see the glow skull and the dog to the right of that. It has some jowls, and might mean something about the painting of the Wolfhound in Jacob's cabin.
IMAGES ARE IN POST #86.....(<>..<>)

Sorry to disagree with ya Caforrest, but some of the images are real I'm afraid, and let me remind you of something you put in your signature:
"We all know this is LOST and anything can happen."
Have you changed your opinion since you posted this in your signature? Just curious...(<>..<>)
No, but it has to do with storytelling not (supposed)random images in the bushes, I was actually just congratulating you on a very long thread, I can't seem to get them this long.

No, but it has to do with storytelling not (supposed)random images in the bushes, I was actually just congratulating you on a very long thread, I can't seem to get them this long.

Thanks man, I know you've been here since the beginning, and I'm doing my damndest to find something that is overwhelming proof, but I fear the real work is just beginning. I am now reaching the point in my DVD'ing where the whispers are starting so I'll be busy looking for images to match to the whispers and hoping I find some. Check out the images in a little while, I will be re-posting some I feel I have tightened up...(<>..<>)

Cant say I managed to sort through your whole theory (though I will) but I did read the part about the images in the bush, and I gotta say, while I do see the skull that seems to follow Ben (and think you have something there) I think that bush is acting as your own personal Rorschach when it comes to these other Wiz of Oz things you're seeing. It's like looking at a cloud; you'll see what you want to. I dont think there's anything is there...sorry to burst your bubble.

Thanks man, I know you've been here since the beginning, and I'm doing my damndest to find something that is overwhelming proof, but I fear the real work is just beginning. I am now reaching the point in my DVD'ing where the whispers are starting so I'll be busy looking for images to match to the whispers and hoping I find some. Check out the images in a little while, I will be re-posting some I feel I have tightened up...(<>..<>)
I do wish you the best of luck, I'm man enough to admit I'm wrong, I'm not implying your not, I look forward to your proof.

Well I'm working on the images in Post #86 so check them out there. Look at the shot of the glowing skull/face/scarecrow thing. It has 2 bird heads flying out of the eye on the right side. I've had that image since TMBTC aired, and I didn't even notice those bird heads until about a week or two ago. Upon closer examination I have determined that pretty much the whole thing is made from birds, thus bolstering my Scarecrow theory.

And look at the witch on the left. Look where I've drawn the triangle for the top of her hat, and then look at that spot in the foliage without the outline. You can see where the triangle shape for the top of the hat is cut out of the foliage. Little examples like that lead me to believe I'm on the right track with this...(<>..<>)

I'll give you the skull in the grass, and maybe even it following Ben. some of your, links don't work though. On the utube site did you have anything to do with the Cindy being a part of dharma video, I mean I know she isn't but the 2 do sort of look alike maybe even sound alike.

i think you really want this to pan out......but i think they are just bushes n trees.

Id focus more on the whispers.

Okay, I'm going to take a stab at this. This is what I see; possible hidden faces.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/faces.jpg

From left to right....I'm purely guessing here.

Goggleboy, Jack, Locke, Sun, Hurley and finally.... what might be a little girl at the bottom.
Could be I just looked at this pic a little too often.:rolleyes:


I see red circles around space. I do not see faces, or anything else besides light and dark spots.
Difference of interpretations I guess.


Added:
This really is just interpretation. Yes, I can see what looks like a skull that you pointed out. I dont think they intentionally made a skull face, and slipped it in there for a few people to find. Even if they did, I dont think it is important. AT ALL.
I cannot fathom making a few vague shadows of figures that would be significant to the storyline.
Unless they come out and say, "Holy shit! Look at that Ghost! That is the Ghost of Jacob! And we're going to sit down by the campfire, have a few smores, and hes going to tell us everything about the island!"
Yes, anything is possible. But I'm getting really tired of hearing that as a reason for anybodies theory.
I guarantee, if we go back and review every cloud in every episode, we will find skulls, and turtles, and unicorns.
Sorry mate, but to me its reaching. I hope you're right, but I cannot see the likelihood of it.

No I didn't have anything to do with the Cindy/Dharma thing at youtube. I'm posting whatever images everybody has submitted and turned me on to, plus mine all in one post.

*cough* *cough* *rorscharch* cough!*

FROM WIKIPEDIA: Another influence lay in the Alice books of Lewis Carroll. Although he found their plots incoherent, Baum identified their source of popularity as Alice herself, a child with whom the child readers could identify; this influenced his choice of a protagonist.
OZ References In Lost (So far): (1) Ben went by the name "Henry Gale" which is the name of Dorothy's uncle. (2) Tom went by the name "Zeke" who is one of the farmhands. (3) Sawyer talks about traipsing around through the "Haunted Forest". (4) The man with the "red shoes" crushed by the scaffolding. (5) Richard Malkin resembles the "Professor Marvel" character-the charlatan fortune teller.

Here is the scene from "The Man behind The Curtain". Notice the glowing skull face watching Ben as he runs by. This was designed to get us looking "behind the curtain", the "curtain" being the darkness.
FRAME-BY-FRAME: http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/avi3000/dog.gif
FULL MOTION: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL-7HHfMy0k

SCREENCAPS:
ORIGINAL DARK SCENE:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0.jpg)
ORIGINAL SCENE LIGHTENED:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0_edited.jpg
LIGHTENED AND CROPPED:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP1.jpg
QUOTE FROM PYTHAGORAS:For those who still don't believe it's intentional, here's a much better view. (This basically emphasizes the red and blue channels so that the only green stuff that shows up well is green stuff that is either reflecting light off a shiny surface or has been artificially lightened...). It looks like the one on the left, at least, is a complete face rather than a skull.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondog2-1.jpg

SOME OZ FIGURES:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondog3.jpg

THE WITCHES: 4 witches in the book and 3 witches in the film. The Good Witches of the North/South and the Wicked Witches of the East/West. The Good Witches were combined into one character in the movie to save time. The Good Witch of the North was a more elderly witch while the Good Witch of the South was the younger one. Here's 2:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP1-1.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP1-1.jpg)

THE SCARECROW: The Scarecrow wasn't a very good Scarecrow as he is seen in pictures with birds sitting all over him. That's interesting because the glowing face/skull I call The Scarecrow is made of and surrounded by birds. Take a peek:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/yhst-54297355634787_1913_17295281.gif
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP1.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP12.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP12.jpg)
INVERTED COLORS: Notice how the main dark part of the "face" is one bird:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP13.jpg

THE COWARDLY LION: One of the easiest ones to spot-he's looking right at you. Looks like he's even got the ribbons in his hair like the movie:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/cvr-17.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/cowardly20lion.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP11.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP11.jpg)

THE TIN MAN: I believe the Tin Man is represented by the chiseled metallic skull on the end of the foliage. It's made out of rock and foliage giving it that look:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/WizardTinManClose.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP223.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP2.jpg

THE FLYING MONKEY: http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/vc13.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/vc13.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/monkeysigned.jpg
Ok, figuratively this is a Flying Monkey. It does have a chimp-like face contained within it "flying" around at the top of the screencap:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0_edited-2.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0_edited-2.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307_edited.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307_edited.jpg)
However, I think this might be the literal Flying Monkey. It was buried in the background, but what tumbled me onto this one was the little fez hat at top:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP14.jpg


THE HORSES: In the magical Emerald City, a horse-drawn carriage appears led by a "horse of a different color," which is a different color in every shot. For example, it might be green in one shot and red in the next shot seconds later.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/horseofadifferentcolor.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0L.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0L.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0_edited.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P0_edited.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P1_edited.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P1_edited.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P2_edited-2.jpg

THE HUNGRY TIGER: The Hungry Tiger is a massive beast who is friends with the Cowardly Lion. He is always hungry, no matter how much he eats, and longs to eat a "fat baby," though he never would because his conscience will not allow him to do so.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/432px-OZ_Hungry_Tiger.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/432px-OZ_Hungry_Tiger.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/cvr-20.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P11.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P11.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap307P1_edited1.jpg

THE DOG: This looks like a large breed dog not unlike the Irish Wolfhound in the painting in Jacob's cabin. Hell maybe it's standing in for Toto, who knows...
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap3077_edited-1.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap3077_edited-1.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap491_edited-2.jpg

UNDERALIENCONTROL--->http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/Strange_3_1024.jpg (<>..<>)

Coming to this discussion way late but my take on it is somewhere in the middle. Yes, there are images in the trees, faces, particularly the way-white one, and they are talking and it is heard as whispers. They do not look in any way to me like Wizard of Oz characters. They look like people. And I love the concept of the one timelines' people seeing the other timelines' people as other-worldly. This I think is the way it will play out. I have thought ever since Claire was taken by Ethan that there were other people in the room, but I had thought they were overseeing the events rather than spooked by Losties as much as the Losties are spooked by them. Kudos on that. Rabbits, etc.? Nah.

whats the payoff?
Why would they put so much effort into this?

What is this doing for the story?

Nothing.

The Emperor's New Clothes :
( from WikiPedia )

Many years ago, there lived an emperor who was quite an average fairy tale ruler, with one exception: he cared much about his clothes. One day he heard from two swindlers named Guido and Luigi Farabutto that they could make the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they said, also had the special capability that it was invisible to anyone who was either stupid or not fit for his position.

Being a bit nervous about whether he himself would be able to see the cloth, the emperor first sent two of his trusted men to see it. Of course, neither would admit that they could not see the cloth and so praised it. All the townspeople had also heard of the cloth and were interested to learn how stupid their neighbors were.
The emperor then allowed himself to be dressed in the clothes for a procession through town, never admitting that he was too unfit and stupid to see what he was wearing. He was afraid that the other people would think that he was stupid.
Of course, all the townspeople wildly praised the magnificent clothes of the emperor, afraid to admit that they could not see them, until a small child said:
"But he has nothing on!"

This was whispered from person to person until everyone in the crowd was shouting that the emperor had nothing on. The emperor heard it and felt that they were correct, but held his head high and finished the procession.

Uh, maybe youalleverybody don't get IT yet because I haven't stated what IT is definitively yet...geez at least let me finish the above images post before you pass judgement, there's more to add than just this episode's images so please check back on it as I'm trying to get them all in this one post ...then I'll write something up on it....(<>..<>)

UAC,
I meant no offence - I'm just suggesting that you are conning those who see your images, as a a deliberate game on your part. If I'm wrong and that's not what you're doing, well, well nothing really - I'm wrong, is all. And if I'm right then I'm right.
But didn't mean it as an insult, just in case that's how you took it. I suppose it could be considered an insult to your good name that I'd suggest you are capable of such a devious act, but that's not how it was meant. ;)

UAC,
I meant no offence - I'm just suggesting that you are conning those who see your images, as a a deliberate game on your part. If I'm wrong and that's not what you're doing, well, well nothing really - I'm wrong, is all. And if I'm right then I'm right.
But didn't mean it as an insult, just in case that's how you took it. I suppose it could be considered an insult to your good name that I'd suggest you are capable of such a devious act, but that's not how it was meant. ;)

No offense taken, just seemed a bit smug coming from somebody with 17 theories going in their sig. No, this isn't a "long con" if you will, I'm just trying to illustrate the point that they are hiding images in the show just as they are hiding audio in the show. 80-90% of people who have responded to the thread have no problem seeing the images, the percentage is that high, and even the ones who don't see everything at least say "I'll give you the skull following Ben...", so if you go by that then it's about 95%.

I can tell you that the shot I'm working with from TMBTC has been heavily manipulated with imagery. Also, I thought other posters to this thread were crazy talking about the bush behind Christian changing into the shape of a rabbit in White Rabbit, and myself and others (Pythagoras99) looked for it and couldn't SEE it, but guess what-it's true. The bush behind Christian DOES morph into a rabbit.

While DVD-ing the scene, everytime I reversed it to the start, you could tell there was some digital manipulation done to the scene. You couldn't see anything in slo-mo forward, but everytime I reversed it I could see the scene "warp/morph" so I knew something was up. I thought they had CG'ed Christian into the scene and that that was the effect, but didn't seem likely so I couldn't figure it out. Then I saw where someone used that scene with the rabbit/bush outlined as their avatar, and then I saw it clearly. The bush is blowing in the wind, then they manipulate it digitally to stand straight up in the form of the rabbit. So see, I myself was skeptical about this scene, but you just have to know where to look.

Plus, I only saw the glowing skull/face following Ben in the original scene in real-time, which I think we can all agree is there, and posted about that first before using any techniques to further lighten or accent the scene. I didn't put that in the scene, it's GLOWING compared to everything else around it, I didn't even lighten and crop the shot, Pythagoras99 did. Without that I wouldn't have even been able to get started looking further. So if it's a con, I guess he would have to be in cahoots with me also.

It is what it is man, no con or manipulation on my part whatsoever, just a clever joke from TPTB that they probably figured would go right over everybody's head, and I guess they were right. I wasn't even looking for Oz stuff, just more skulls, but then I saw the Witch, then the Lion etc.. Oz wasn't even in my head when I started looking at the screencap, it just popped out at me....(<>..<>)

Don't see in what way it was "smug", or what on Earth how many threads I've got has anything to do with it, but the main thing is you didn't take offence, so all's good. :thumbsup:

whats the payoff?
Why would they put so much effort into this?

What is this doing for the story?

you could say the same about any easter egg in lost that only a tiny minority of the viewing public are aware of. it drives the online following which in turn promotes the show. a kind of viral marketing - the very best promotion for anything is word of mouth - online or otherwise.

the fact that this thread has 100 posts and 6000+ views speaks for itself.

as for the story i would imagine the whispers / hidden audio and some of these hidden images will pay off at some point in the next 3 seasons.

Don't see in what way it was "smug", or what on Earth how many threads I've got has anything to do with it, but the main thing is you didn't take offence, so all's good. :thumbsup:

I thought posting "The Emperor" with no lead-in was kinda smug, an assumption on your part that I didn't believe in it, but was going to go through with it 'til the end, and apparently I was somewhat right. I referred to the number of your theories because I was thinking that you above anybody else should be open to interpretation and somebody else's POV, since you have so many ideas yourself, but that was my assumption. I do read the stuff that you and Black Lotus post, and have even responded in those posts before. It's good stuff, usually has an interesting angle, but of course if I don't agree with something I just read it and reserve comment, maybe ask questions OR get my real sharp needle out to try and poke a hole in it. That's about the only way to come at it, I think.

Remember this too: Pythagoras99 tried to show examples of why it was intentionally done in the shots, and in my opinion he proved his point with his techniques and his explanations for those techniques. Good work. And also don't forget: The Whispers are having a conversation! during this scene. I think this is how they are watching the action over by the fence in this scene.

I'm not keeping this thread going to continue my "long con", I'm doing it to do more research and find more stuff. To think this is a con is just mind-boggling to me, as it never entered my mind that anybody would look at it that way, so I'm kinda blind-sided by that, never saw it coming. Let me assure you, I am a hardcore Lost fan who has read alot of the books and have seen alot of the TV shows and movies they created this show from, their influences per se, and I'm groovin' with the show, it's all good.

For instance, as soon as Smokey shows up, everybody should have been thinking "The Montauk Project" right off the bat. I read that book over 20 years ago and it has ALOT of similiar themes with this show, including the experiments, the kids, and "the monster". And of course, the Stephen King books-The Stand (The struggle between black/white good/evil) and The Gunslinger ("There are more worlds than these Gunslinger") in particular. They showed us Carrie at the book club meeting, and MAYBE just a little bit of The Shining-whatwith the APPARITIONS and THE TOPIARY MAZE ANIMALS-big themes in THAT book. A Brief History of Time, Land of the Lost, The Terminator, Alice In Wonderland, The Wizard of Oz, Quantum Leap, 12 Monkees, The Philadelphia Experiment, Back to the Future, The Twilight Zone, Comics (Zero Hour/Infinite Crisis on Infinite Earths anyone?), Watchmen, etc.etc. The sources are endless. It's how TPTB blend them that creates THEIR mythos and tv show which is Lost.

JackSawyer-The Skeptical Inquirer-what a character, always hackin' on me, but EVEN HE gives me the "glowing skull watching Ben" part, so coming from him that's high praise indeed. I'll be posting more in the image thread so check it out JACK!

And Black Lotus: I think you are dead-on-right to point out the number of responses and hits on the thread simply because when I posted it on "TMBTC" episode thread 12 hours before "Greatest Hits" aired, it still managed over 60 responses and 4000 views before people moved onto the "Greatest Hits" board that night, and people were still hitting the thread weeks later before I linked it to this thread.
100%
I got a story about all of this too...wrote a little song about it go a little sumthin' like this:

The Parable of the Blind Men and the Elephant-from the original Buddhist canon

A number of disciples went to the Buddha and said, "Sir, there are living here in Savatthi many wandering hermits and scholars who indulge in constant dispute, some saying that the world is infinite and eternal and others that it is finite and not eternal, some saying that the soul dies with the body and others that it lives on forever, and so forth. What, Sir, would you say concerning them?"

The Buddha answered, "Once upon a time there was a certain raja who called to his servant and said, 'Come, good fellow, go and gather together in one place all the men of Savatthi who were born blind... and show them an elephant.' 'Very good, sire,' replied the servant, and he did as he was told. He said to the blind men assembled there, 'Here is an elephant,' and to one man he presented the head of the elephant, to another its ears, to another a tusk, to another the trunk, the foot, back, tail, and tuft of the tail, saying to each one that that was the elephant.
"When the blind men had felt the elephant, the raja went to each of them and said to each, 'Well, blind man, have you seen the elephant? Tell me, what sort of thing is an elephant?'

"Thereupon the men who were presented with the head answered, 'Sire, an elephant is like a pot.' And the men who had observed the ear replied, 'An elephant is like a winnowing basket.' Those who had been presented with a tusk said it was a ploughshare. Those who knew only the trunk said it was a plough; others said the body was a grainery; the foot, a pillar; the back, a mortar; the tail, a pestle, the tuft of the tail, a brush.

"Then they began to quarrel, shouting, 'Yes it is!' 'No, it is not!' 'An elephant is not that!' 'Yes, it's like that!' and so on, till they came to blows over the matter.
"Brethren, the raja was delighted with the scene.
"Just so are these preachers and scholars holding various views blind and unseeing.... In their ignorance they are by nature quarrelsome, wrangling, and disputatious, each maintaining reality is thus and thus."

Then the Exalted One rendered this meaning by uttering this verse of uplift
O how they cling and wrangle, some who claim
For preacher and monk the honored name!
For, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
Such folk see only one side of a thing.
Udana 68-69 (<>..<>)

UnderAlienControl >
I thought posting "The Emperor" with no lead-in was kinda smug, an assumption on your part that I didn't believe in it, but was going to go through with it 'til the end, and apparently I was somewhat right. I referred to the number of your theories because I was thinking that you above anybody else should be open to interpretation and somebody else's POV, since you have so many ideas yourself, but that was my
assumption.


Right, I see what you mean about posting the extract by itself - yeah, that probably did come off as kind of smug. Sorry. As for the number of threads - I've got a lot less threads than most of the posters who've been going some time - just click on a poster's name. The difference is that because I insist on posting about the same idea on the same thread I only start new threads for a new idea, so they're all different and many of them can be current at the same time. Other posters with more threads than me post varios threads as extensions of earlier ideas and so there's no room for versions 1, 2 and 3 on the board at the same time.

Pretty cool the glowing skull indeed. Add the all around whispers and its a pretty decent find.

What did people in the whispers thread think of the faces in the bush as they are whispering? Get any cool and interesting responses UAC?

Namaste, Eric.

Pretty cool the glowing skull indeed. Add the all around whispers and its a pretty decent find.

What did people in the whispers thread think of the faces in the bush as they are whispering? Get any cool and interesting responses UAC?

Namaste, Eric.

Thanks EG-I don't really know what they think yet as I've only correlated the Whispers with this scene so far. I think Penyours has stopped in and checked on the thread, but that's about it. I'm re-watching the DVD's now and I'm just getting to the point where the Whispers have started in the show, so maybe I can find a few more examples. I still have other images to post so keep checking the thread.

Of all the epis of lost. white rabbit creeps me out. I aways feel unsettled with it..
and I suppose that is what they are trying to do to us.. keep us on edge..
which by the way is perfect.
the sounds and music of this epi alone keeps me in goose bumps..
but I will say that there are lots of other things to see in these epis.
:)

yeah man, i tried to see everything you have pointed out in those images. i like the drawings you made, especially with the lion and its whiskers, but i really have no idea how you see those images in the bushes. you actually can see these things in the bushes? could just be me, thought i would throw my thoughts out there

UAC...I appreciate your interpretations and efforts...and I am still trying to figure out LOST. ;)

yeah man, i tried to see everything you have pointed out in those images. i like the drawings you made, especially with the lion and its whiskers, but i really have no idea how you see those images in the bushes. you actually can see these things in the bushes? could just be me, thought i would throw my thoughts out there

It jumps right out at me and alot of other people who have viewed it. It helps to image some of them at 200% view. Also, look at the outlined image, then look at the original shot. The outline should help you find it in the original shot. For instance: enlarge the lightened shot of the glowing skull face and you will see that there are two big bird heads flying out of it's left eye, and that it is in effect made mostly from birds. That's kinda freaky. The Lion is the easiest one because he's looking right back at you and the well-structured lion image seems to be alot more than a random collection of leaves IMO...

And thanks Tabby, keep checking back as I'll be adding some more images.

And , Kadingle I seriously sux with the paint program and surely am no artist. Meaning: I didn't draw the pictures I traced the pictures over what was already there...(cue x-files music...) (<>..<>)

UAC --

I just gave this thread a decent read-through. I really dig the connections you draw between the whispers, their place in the main plot, and their manifestations as visual patterns in the island itself.

However, someone mentioned Gregg Nations said those particular foliage examples were merely a production side-effect. (I can't find the thread.)

How do you square his response with your observations?

He's sneaky to be sure, but I don't know of him lying or making assertions without fact-checking.

Thanks for the interesting read.

Mike

Hi MikeNY-Maybe this will help explain that point better-I cobbled it together from some other posts in the thread:

Originally Posted by caforrest2047 still believe your trying a little too hard, I dont think there is anything there and nations agrees, but I support your right to see and hear whatever you want so keep up the good work.

Nations didn't absolutely disagree and please read my earlier posts on this about the "artful dodger"-what I find funny is he answered your kinda generic post on this, but skipped right over my more detailed posting on it. He answered most of the ones before and after my post but just skipped right over mine. Kinda makes me wonder, since I now have to file that move under "artful dodger" also. And did you see my post about how Nations answered the other guys Jacob theories? I'd have to say he was being very ambiguous, to say the least, and gave back no really useful info in the exchange so hmmm... It wouldn't surprise me if he knows however and is just playing the "artful dodger" on this one. After all, he did say this episode was going to be "tivo-riffic" did he not?...

We already know from various analytical techniques on the pictures by Pythagoras and others that there is something hinky about this scene. The pixels in the "skullface" don't match up well with the background suggesting insertion, and Pythagoras has used some good techniques to try to show that he is sure it is deliberate, and I gotta agree with him. I mean, lookit people, it's a giant glowing skull face so regardless of anything else, THAT means something. (<>..<>)

Thanks for the elaboration of your argument UAC. You've convinced me to leave the door open.

I'm not seeing it. Please enlighten me.

there was no claw.....there were some things in that scene that could be perceived as some invisible claw....

wires hanging down above the pilots shoulder.
the water running on the glass

in this case it was the wires


I also saw the skull right away and my first impression was something in the lighting. going through the entire scene to the last possible time it is seen has conviced me that is some weird lighting effect.

there was no claw.....there were some things in that scene that could be perceived as some invisible claw....

wires hanging down above the pilots shoulder.
the water running on the glass

in this case it was the wires


I also saw the skull right away and my first impression was something in the lighting. going through the entire scene to the last possible time it is seen has conviced me that is some weird lighting effect.

I'll agree with ya, I never could spot anything in "the claw" scene either, but a "weird lighting effect" makes 2 skulls? Do some up-close image analysis Mike, and you will see that the "skull" has 2 big prominent bird heads flying out of it's left eye. That's not a lighting effect.

I used to think it was just skepticism on your part, but now I fear it could be astigmatism instead. I'm kidding with ya, as you are entitled to your opinion, but still man, haven't we done enough to show that it was done most probably intentional? I think so, as well defined skulls just don't pop out of the woodwork they have to be created by someone--see Pythagoras's post about the curvature of the leaves and why this isn't a random effect please. (<>..<>)

you could say the same about any easter egg in lost that only a tiny minority of the viewing public are aware of. it drives the online following which in turn promotes the show. a kind of viral marketing - the very best promotion for anything is word of mouth - online or otherwise.

the fact that this thread has 100 posts and 6000+ views speaks for itself.

as for the story i would imagine the whispers / hidden audio and some of these hidden images will pay off at some point in the next 3 seasons.

but there is a major difference between someone spotting the Lost numbers on the bottle that Desmond is injecting into himself and someone seeing the bushes forming images. I can see them putting a painting of the wiz of oz in a hatch....but i dont see them putting them in shapes in the foilage. I guess im like Jack and pushing the button....it just doesnt make sense to me.

and as for the the 6000+ views means people want this to be true...but only 100 post and alot of them are not pro would seem to indicate a majority thinks theres nothing to this.

and as for the the 6000+ views means people want this to be true...but only 100 post and alot of them are not pro would seem to indicate a majority thinks theres nothing to this.

Actually out of everyone that weighed in the total was 24 see skull/ 5 don't see skull/ 5 Undecided-and if you count the original thread it's 44 see Skull/ 8 Don't see skull/ 6 undecided...(<>..<>)

I'll agree with ya, I never could spot anything in "the claw" scene either, but a "weird lighting effect" made out of birds? Do some up-close image analysis Mike, and you will see that the "skull" is made out of bird heads with 2 prominent bird heads flying out of it's left eye. It's kinda funny that the one thing we can all pretty much agree on here IS the glowing skull in the scene being for real, and yet you can't give us that one, putting you into about the 1% of the minority here who doesn't see ANYTHING. Even 99% of the naysayers say "I'll give you the skull following Ben".

I used to think it was just skepticism on your part, but now I fear it could be astigmatism instead. I'm kidding with ya, as you are entitled to your opinion, but still man, haven't we done enough to show that it was done intentionally? I think we have, as well defined skulls just don't pop out of the woodwork they have to be created by someone--see Pythagoras's post about the curvature of the leaves and why this isn't a random effect please. (<>..<>)

You just confused me....what is made out of birds?
I dont think theres a skull there at all.. i think it just looks like one... it reminds me of all that time people saw a midget hanging themselves in a scene from the Wiz Oz and the first time i saw it.. i was like its a bird.

here is something interesting, something in the foliage click the link for the lost season 3 dvd at amazon then click for the larger image, perhaps vindication or just a shout out to your keen eye, Okay I can't seem to get it to work so I'll just tell you on the right side of the box above the faces there is a "Jacob loves you" in the trees, of course as always if someone has brought this up then I am sorry.

First let me say I have an open mind whenever it comes to discussions of hidden images. I, myself, have put my Lost neck on the line a few times with submissions of hidden Lost images such as these ones below (after the image opens, click the lower right hand corner to get a larger view):

http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc229&image=9a1d9_LockeDogInSmok64.jpg.jpg

http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=5b3a9_LockeHorseInSmoke70.jpg.JPG

http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=da2dc_GhoulInSmokeJackChaseaWInset61,jpg.jpg

http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc231&image=356cf_HandM61.jpg

http://img129.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc181&image=568ee_HandM65.jpg

I won't mention what I see in those images. My point is a lot with hidden images has to do with seeing unusual patterns. Then, if you see the "hidden" images, the next question is always was it something intended by the producers, or just an in-the-eye of-the-beholder thing like seeing shapes in clouds? Now onto my take on UAC's images -- everyone else had a take, so why not join the fray? :)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP1.jpg
That one is a good find. Looks like an alien head or a skull or something there. Definitely possible it was intended by the producer.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP11.jpg
Yes, that could be lion. Not sure though if that is random leaves or intended by the Lost producers. The other characters from the Wizard of Oz that UAC stated are there, I do not see (well, maybe I see the horses -- a little bit anyway.)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/MVC-043F-2.jpg
The face on the right I can kind of see. The one on the left I do not. I'm going to say probably just random leaves caused those "faces" to appear there, but who really knows?

The alien/skull face is a good one. I'll have to check out that scene again on the ole DVR. Thanks UAC for the find.

whats the payoff?
Why would they put so much effort into this?

What is this doing for the story?

Although I only see the original skull/alien face as a definite hidden graphic, I will not disagree with other supposed hidden graphics due to something I truly believe.

If you were to think along the lines of the producers and writers with REWATCHABILITY or $$$$$$ = replay residuals in mind, you can clearly see just WHY they would hide easter-eggs and then not inform (or merely cover-up) the fact that they exist, simply because if known as fact NOW while the show is still in current status, it would eliminate the public NEED and want to go back after the shows end to re-watch over and over again to find these easter-eggs.

In other words:

The producers are brilliantly clever and one of their main goals is monetary. What better way to make sure of its success in future re-runs and DVD sales then to announce after all is done and over, “Yes there are MANY hidden audio and video details in all of the episodes”

IMHO this would generate sales into infinite futures, from just the casual watcher to the avid ones.

I think there are hidden video clues i just dont think they are going to be animal shapes in the bushes. It just doesnt make any sense..

i mean ok lets ben is going to meet his mom so lets um i dont know put a skull on the bush and lets tie it all together by oh i got it the wizard of oz...that bush will be a witch and that one the lion.....
I think the video clues are more obvious..like in my reply above i believe someone discovered the doll of Ben that Annie has. It happened along time ago but it only now makes sense because we were shown the dolls and now know their significance.

When all is said and done i think the rewatchablity will be i wonder what clues i missed that when i saw it the first time it did not make sense but now at the end it does.
So my question is what would a skull and Wiz of Oz characters in the bushes do for the story?...because i fully believe every detail is thought out.

There would be three reasons to be seeing what your seeing. One, it was done on purpose by the special effect dept. to add to the storyline. Two, it was added by the Special Effects dept. to merely have fun. Three, you're seeing the "Man in the Moon".

I believe you've got all three working here. The first two are wonderful discoveries and you've got them. But some images are clearly just shapes, as per some of the animals.

I recall when they were making mini-models for Star Wars the SE department would do some really fun things, thinking only the real "fans" would find them.

Good stuff UAC. ^..^

Mike, mike, mike...where to start man? Ok. I think the problem is that you're just not "getting it". I think TestMember summed it up pretty well in the above quote.

(1) It was done by the special effects dept. to add to the storyline-hence, a giant glowing skullface watching Ben as he runs and another skull watching the direction he came from WHILE the Whispers are having a conversation.

(2) It was done by the special effects dept. to merely have fun-hence, this is TMBTC which has an Oz "flavor" to the episode and title, hence, the Oz figures in the foliage in the "haunted forest".

(3) I'm seeing the Man in the Moon-hence, some of the figures ARE just imaginary like the chieftan, dinosaur etc. and I agree they could be, I see them pretty easily but I'm not as sure about those, but hey they might have a meaning too, I just don't know.

So, as you can see, TestMemberSubject seems to have a good take on it, it's a good explanation and I gotta agree with it.

AND...Here is a quote of yours from another thread that makes me feel like I'm in the right when I think of you and Mr. Magoo as having something in common:

Mike_Sawyer: "after rewatching Psalm 23 i was duh how did i miss the images in smokey the first time around....when it confronted Eko..."

You said it bro, not me...I do like that word though...images... (<>..<>)

I don't know if anyone's posted this one yet, but it's from "The Man Behind the Curtain" it's with Ben running after the first image of that face.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-308.html

The face is in the lower left-hand corner of the screen

I don't know if anyone's posted this one yet, but it's from "The Man Behind the Curtain" it's with Ben running after the first image of that face.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-308.html

The face is in the lower left-hand corner of the screen


Wow....I see it! Good catch!

I don't know if anyone's posted this one yet, but it's from "The Man Behind the Curtain" it's with Ben running after the first image of that face.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-308.html

The face is in the lower left-hand corner of the screen


Now THAT I could see. That seems fully intentional to me, like one of the faces behind the whispers perhaps. A ghost of the island. The others (Oz pics) not so much. Sorry.

I don't know if anyone's posted this one yet, but it's from "The Man Behind the Curtain" it's with Ben running after the first image of that face.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-308.html

The face is in the lower left-hand corner of the screen

Wow really good catch, the first one looked blatantly like a skull, but this one actually looks like a human face

Wow really good catch, the first one looked blatantly like a skull, but this one actually looks like a human face

Ok, I think I see what you mean and I'll post some images of it in post #86 along with the rest of the images. Good work Hoodoo, I haven't had alot of help finding images and any help is appreciated mightily. Here's a peep of the lightened image and I'll do some outlining on it in post#86.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap309b_edited.jpg

Mike, mike, mike...where to start man? Ok. I think the problem is that you're just not "getting it". I think TestMember summed it up pretty well in the above quote.

(1) It was done by the special effects dept. to add to the storyline-hence, a giant glowing skullface watching Ben as he runs and another skull watching the direction he came from WHILE the Whispers are having a conversation.

(2) It was done by the special effects dept. to merely have fun-hence, this is TMBTC which has an Oz "flavor" to the episode and title, hence, the Oz figures in the foliage in the "haunted forest".

(3) I'm seeing the Man in the Moon-hence, some of the figures ARE just imaginary like the chieftan, dinosaur etc. and I agree they could be, I see them pretty easily but I'm not as sure about those, but hey they might have a meaning too, I just don't know.

So, as you can see, TestMemberSubject seems to have a good take on it, it's a good explanation and I gotta agree with it.

AND...Here is a quote of yours from another thread that makes me feel like I'm in the right when I think of you and Mr. Magoo as having something in common:

Mike_Sawyer: "after rewatching Psalm 23 i was duh how did i miss the images in smokey the first time around....when it confronted Eko..."

You said it bro, not me...I do like that word though...images... (<>..<>)

You know whats funny....the moment i posted this.....i knew you were going to post something about it.:biggrin:


oh and its Spencer.......................we are only human

You know whats funny....the moment i posted this.....i knew you were going to post something about it.:biggrin:


oh and its Spencer.......................we are only human

That is funny man I was LOL when I saw this, but I'm just hackin' on ya, that's all...but the weirder thing is how I freudian slipped your name and Jack Sawyer's name into Mike_Sawyer...I must be losin' it dude...:)

Dont let me in your head, dude. It's not a good thing...

LOL. Anywasy, I like your stuff, I do, but it just so happens I was watching White Rabbit tonight and I got to that scene where "the rabbit morphs into a tree" (that the other dude mentioned) so I thought I'd comment here since that thread was closed.

While it does vaguely resemble a rabbit, and may just be through CGI (undecided), there's definitely no "morphing" going on. When you first see Christian you see the tree just behind him, blowing it the wind, doing what trees do. At no point does a tree turn into a rabbit or vice versa. :)

That's all folks.

I think you're taking the "morphing" comment out of context. It should be warping I guess. When you reverse the scene in slo-mo you can see a warping/wrinkling effect, kinda like a morph that let's you know the video was tampered with. The bush behind Christian is blowing and then cgi'd to stand up in the shape of the rabbit as Christian walks away. Hence, when the effect with the bush was inserted, you can see evidence of it in slo-mo reverse...(<>..<>)

Bless you - someone else actually sees the same rabbit! I'm not hallucinating! They can let me out of the looney bin now!

hey UAC!
i have a possible frame of reference/inspiration for you.

reading Stephen King's 'Dark Tower' series at the moment and, as i have proposed in my
'Time is a face on the water' thread, i feel that there are some parallels between the 'forces' that converge on said tower and our losties island. ( more about that later )
anyway, long story short, in the books, faces in the trees have been mentioned a couple of times so far in conjunction with places of great power, where people can travel from different wheres and whens. here is a excerpt - book vii, p361

"this was the best thing that had ever happened to her, The most exciting thing. Now, as well as those singing voices, she could see faces in the leaves of the trees on the sides of the road, as if they were being watched by a multitude. She could feel a tremendous force gathering all around them ..... "

Hey, BL nice to see you around.

While there's lots of good ideas and info here, when it comes to pics and sightings of faces, you always have to remember that the human brain is hardwired to see faces in things. I'm not saying faces aren't there, just that you have to allow for your own mind to be seeing something that might not be there. All it takes is some branches to blow together in the right shape, and we'll see a face no matter what.

Just a thought.

FIRST I MUST: :Presents discharge papers from Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute to Crotchety Papa so he can walk free among the non-delusional again:: (yes there is a rabbit dude I've got it outlined and I'll be posting it. Don't forget to tell Leonard Sims bye bye when you're leaving the Booby Hatch...)

Hi BLACKLOTUS: I like the thought about the faces in places of great power (our Island?) and being "watched by a multitude". One thing that makes me think about time being "soft" around the Island is the fact that it was apparently daylight when Naomi jumped from the chopper, yet it was dark when she came down on the island which contributed to her injuries. Remember she said "the clouds parted and I saw the island". But, when they find Naoimi her glare shield is down indicating she jumped out in the sunshine, since there is usually a clear shield behind the glare shield that she could have used. To me it indicates that light/dark changed quickly on her and she had no time to react.

Hi SAM! Nice to see you hanging out...

And Mads13: appreciate your input and interest. Go back and read posts #24-#35, where the fact that we are "hardwired" to see human faces in things was not only discussed but thoroughly debated-it was a pretty good discussion but Pythagoras99 (who is a photographer if I'm not mistaken) posted some enhanced images showing that the probability of this being natural phenomena are zero. In other words-deliberate insertion by TPTB...(<>..<>)

Hi UAC

I flit around, hard to catch me sometimes.

Thanks for the read. Those posts were great, very informative and entertaining.
The thing is, with that pic that was posted (the color version), I can see about 10 to 13 faces in it. Are they all inserted? Or am I just seeing some of them?
The problem with the enhanced (B&W) pic he's showing is that it's just emphasizing a bright area of the photo. Which, again, people tend to gravitate towards highlights in photos over shadows. Which is why photographers will burn in highlights, especially those near the edges of a photo because at the edge they tend to lead the viewer out of the photo rather than into it.
And yes, I'm a photographer also. :)

Yeah Mads, but I think Pythagoras made his point with this post: You're right that the human mind has an uncanny ability to find faces in patterns. So the question is whether or not the natural pattern suggests the faces or if the faces were superimposed purposely by the effects people. In the example from TMBTC, I don't think there can be any question. The second picture below highlights only the parts of the foliage which should be directly reflecting the light, which would be the leaves or halves or spines of leaves that are oriented just the right way to do so. In both the faces, there are gradual continuous curves, on a much greater scale than any individual leaf, and the kinds of patterns of light and dark within those faces are completely unlike any of the patterns of light and dark anywhere else in the shot. In other words, the likelihood of this happening by the natural orientation of the leaves, is either infinitesimal, or zero.
original screen cap (http://development.erikmartin.com/demondog.jpg)
reflected_light emphasized (http://development.erikmartin.com/demondog2.jpg)
And it's been acknowledged by TPTP that they do insert both visual and audio easter eggs and clues into the show, that the vast majority of viewers will never see.

UNDERALIENCONTROL: The glowing skull watching Ben is visible in real-time and we have some clips on here showing just that, as well as in the original dark stills from the scene. The thing is flourescent compared to everything else in the scene. It's unmistakable that it's glowing and watching Ben as he runs by it. As far as seing faces in the foliage, you are probably seeing faces in the foliage, there are images there, and for some interesting things I've found in the scene please see POST #86...(<>..<>)

Greetings...been kinda busy but I'll be posting some new images in the thread all week so check back...(<>..<>)

Count me amoung those that "want it to be true".

Its akin to the loch ness monster or the Yeti.

I'd love for it to be true.

Does it make it so?

I saw the skull during the original aired episode (coupled with the whispers) and figured it was intentional.

Then again... until I was quelled by the statements that the black smoke didn't appear in the pilot (or more specifically didn't suck the guy into the engine or didn't blow up the engine despite a large black "swoop" preceding the explosion) I was convinced that had happened as well.

The problem I've always had from statements by the creators or anyone else is... are their comments cannon or are they speaking to what we "know"?

Often I've thought that they comment based off what "we" have seen. Not necessarily in regards to what is "actually happening" in the end result of the show.

But if you dismiss outright denials "lighting effects" etc.... then you can reopen up the issues of nanobots and purgatory (since these folks can't be taken at their word).

Moreover... WHY would a floresant skull be visable when the whispers nor the smoke has ever shown that type of immagery before/after in its many apperances?

In the end... we have to take the word of these folks that "nothing is there" even if we really want it to be (which I most assuredly do).

Hi LoyalBull-welcome-if you haven't yet, be sure to read through the thread as there are some posts I wrote about theorizing how the whispers might manifest as the foliage and the reasons why it might be occurring-other people had some good ideas too...(<>..<>)

Just read through the entire thread. I think some are jumping way to soon to criticize your theories. I remember reading something about the skull face. But what I cannot belive is..... WHY DID YOU NOT TELL ME ABOUT THIS SOONER!! Look at my avi. I am from Kansas. OMG I love OZ and could tell you every scene pretty much every line I have watched it so much.

I think we should look at other screencaps I will see what I can find....

Just read through the entire thread. I think some are jumping way to soon to criticize your theories. I remember reading something about the skull face. But what I cannot belive is..... WHY DID YOU NOT TELL ME ABOUT THIS SOONER!! Look at my avi. I am from Kansas. OMG I love OZ and could tell you every scene pretty much every line I have watched it so much.

I think we should look at other screencaps I will see what I can find....

Wow, that's true, wasn't thinking about Oz/Kansas, my bad...And your right, some people got after me pretty hard about this thread, with Lucidity even thinking I was running an actual "long con" on everybody, which just totally blew me away because I never even thought that someone would look at it that way. But I just dug in like an Alabama tick, and held my ground, because I worked in TV professionally for a long time where my job mainly was to watch video and control quality. So it's no BS, I know what I'm seeing or I wouldn't even waste all of our time with this topic.

The Wizard of Oz theme seems to be Jacob's "riff" or motif, hence the 'The Man Behind The Curtain" eposode title and the "flying cabin" the last time we saw him. Thanks for re-starting it, I'm going to be posting alot more imagery and cleaning up the links on the other pics as I removed some of them during my aborted restructuring of the thread.

I had a feeling you could really get into this though, which is why I wanted you to check it out, and trust me, IMO the skull is beyond dispute, it's there. But I'm not crazy either, those Oz images are in there too, I truly believe. Just look at "The Hungry Tiger" skulking along the ground-that was kind of a clincher for me...Also kinda gives you a new feel for the whispers, doesn't it? Like maybe they do make plans and enact them, hence the scene at the sonic fence with Ben, his mom, and The Whispers...(<>..<>)

I posted last year at Losttv-forum.com about skulls being in Jack's eye in the series premiere. I have a very crispy clear tv and I decided to re-watch the episode for eye colors when I paused it on Jack's eye and went to go take a break when my brother told me there was a face in his eye. The fact that they used CGI for his eye in that scene makes me think it's a big possibility that it is some kind of a face/skull. So I don't think this thread is crazy, I think there is some truth to some of it.

I posted last year at Losttv-forum.com about skulls being in Jack's eye in the series premiere. I have a very crispy clear tv and I decided to re-watch the episode for eye colors when I paused it on Jack's eye and went to go take a break when my brother told me there was a face in his eye. The fact that they used CGI for his eye in that scene makes me think it's a big possibility that it is some kind of a face/skull. So I don't think this thread is crazy, I think there is some truth to some of it.

Hi L8O15ST, I'll have to re-watch the pilot again since you aren't the only one to bring up that opening shot, but I've got HDTV too, and when I first checked this scene, I just couldn't see any people like images in Jack's eye. The only thing I could see reflecting in his eye were the bamboo stalks that were growing around him. But I'm definitely gonna give it another look and see if I can see it any differently...(<>..<>)

I so wish I had clicked on your link before! I LOVE finding the easter eggs and "hidden symbols"!!!!
It may take me a long time to read all 15 pages though! Although,I will have lots of time when Lost goes on hiatus again.

I just read through the last 5 pages! Great stuff,UAC!
I've seen images in scenes too like you are suggesting...usually faces almost like shadows. I need to read the whole thread but I always wondered if they are people that died on the Island or even if they are the Losties' shadow personnas?

I also wouldn't be at all suprised if Darlton put those in as an extra for those of us that see beyond the so called "facts"...kind of like an enhanced 6th or even 7th sense. Back to the Faith vs Science debate!

Looks like the Cheshire Cat and the Terminator to me.

Reconcile those two, and I'm IN!

- mnw

Looks like the Cheshire Cat and the Terminator to me.

Reconcile those two, and I'm IN!

- mnw
LOL!!!

UAC will be baaaaackk to reply to that one!( said in my best Arrrnold imitation) :biggrin:

I just finished reading this entire thread. I'm not sure what to make of it. I did see the lighted bush. I GUESS it could be a face, but whether it's intentional or not...weeeellll,,, i'm not so sure . Most of the rest of it looks like Rorchack, faces in the clouds, etc. to me. I cracked up at the "clouds suggesting the image to you", that was hilarious, totally made up, but hilarious all the same.( The cloud is only a cloud. We project the image onto the cloud, not vice versa.) I guess my question is this: What is your theory!? Are the faces and characters in the foliage supposed to be easter eggs, winks from TPTB? Or are they something more substantial? Are they the whispers or the whisperers? (Now My head's starting to hurt, LOL) You're not the same guy who said the island was an alien space craft, are you? Now, THAT would be ironic! No? OK, where was I? Oh Yeah, where are you going with this theory? This thread seems to have hung on for a surprisingly long time.( Heck, it took me a surprisingly long time to read it.) With what we've learned from the show since this thread was started, have you postulated the "bush" people into current events and have you seen anymore "bush" people in any subsequent episodes (associated w/ the whispers/whispers or not) Answer these questions, my friend, or I seriously fear that this thread, will also, be Lost.
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Looks like the Cheshire Cat and the Terminator to me.

Reconcile those two, and I'm IN!

- mnw
I'm with this dude.

Holy Cow, this thread is still going???:eek2::eek2::eek2:

Holy Cow, this thread is still going???:eek2::eek2::eek2:

LOL...And your surprised...you did after all help launch it my friend...Slutty, I'll get back to ya later on when ya "make bail for the air jail" ;) . Go watch that part of "THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN" <hint title hint> in real-time during the actual show, and you can see old glow-face back there plain as day as the scene was really dark when it aired, making old glow face flourescent...after lightening up the picture some (Pythagoras, I'm looking at you) you can see the other skull on the end of the shrub, and that's a pretty chiseled well-defined skull that can't be seen until you lift the curtain (darkness)...(<>..<>)

Okay....I finally got to read the whole thread! I do see some of the images you mention,UAC esp. the skull/white face in the bushes and the white rabbit/or some animal. I also have seen faces/images throughout Lost. I most def. saw faces in some of the scenes in White Rabbit when Jack and Christian were "interacting" on the Island.
I do think some are intentional...not that Darlton expects everyone to see them but as extras. They have said over and over that you only need to watch the show(and don't need HD images) to figure out Lost but that they do add extras for those viewers like us that love that sort of extra detail.
Cool thread!!!!!

Finally some confirmation that I'm not seeing things. A fellow poster (Addie!) directed me over to this thread. The images (i call them faces) have been around from the beginning and not just on your television screens. Pull out your dvd box sets of LOST and check out the covers, the faces are there. And that ain't all folks! LOST Calenders, promo pics, jigsaw puzzles, cd covers of the music from LOST, articles in magazines that have pics from the shows ie, TV Guide, Entertainment Weekly, etc. all have the faces in them. While watching the show look for the faces off-island as well as on. They're in the artwork (most recently in the painting behind Paik in his office) the ocean, the sand on the beach, even the cloud formations. The cover for Pink Floyds album Animals, (the one that has the building from Charlie's episode when he filmed the commercial for the diapers) has the faces on it. Where are the creators going with all this? I haven't a clue, and I haven't read through this whole thread to hear your ideas on this. I'm just happy that someone else has seen them! So OPEN UP YOUR EYES everybody. Check all your screencaps and use the zoom feature on your computer and be amazed! Thanks for thread!

momandjeff..I'll come back with some links to threads where posters have noticed faces...I don't think it's just a "cloud gazing" thing.
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Desmond tie-dye shirt (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=61275)
lucky4me8's The Only Key (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=65938)
& Jacob's List: An Eye for An Eye (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=70741)

Keep in mind that those are older threads, where we didn't know as much as we do now, when it comes to the theories.

Finally some confirmation that I'm not seeing things. A fellow poster (Addie!) directed me over to this thread. The images (i call them faces) have been around from the beginning and not just on your television screens. Pull out your dvd box sets of LOST and check out the covers, the faces are there. And that ain't all folks! LOST Calenders, promo pics, jigsaw puzzles, cd covers of the music from LOST, articles in magazines that have pics from the shows ie, TV Guide, Entertainment Weekly, etc. all have the faces in them. While watching the show look for the faces off-island as well as on. They're in the artwork (most recently in the painting behind Paik in his office) the ocean, the sand on the beach, even the cloud formations. The cover for Pink Floyds album Animals, (the one that has the building from Charlie's episode when he filmed the commercial for the diapers) has the faces on it. Where are the creators going with all this? I haven't a clue, and I haven't read through this whole thread to hear your ideas on this. I'm just happy that someone else has seen them! So OPEN UP YOUR EYES everybody. Check all your screencaps and use the zoom feature on your computer and be amazed! Thanks for thread!
Hi M&J!!!!! I knew you'd love this thread!!!

Ive been seeing them from the start too.. and at one point became paraniod that my computer was infected with a virus when saw them there! it was rather unraveling.
but again, the writers have taken us to places we could never have imagianed, or if we did, never thought possible someone out there would give us what we have so desperately desiring in a show. this show crosses over a line of the normal tv "brain power" so to speak, I have been a serious nerd of sci fi since a small kid, and always struggled with shows that hung in the air like soap operas, not that i dont like them, but they just have never truly satifiied me like this one does.

the x files, firefly, buffy, star trek, all go beyond the norm. they depict solid strong smart women and smart men.
Yes, always keep your eyes open.. I believe the best is yet to come. and we will not be disappointed.

Although I agree that there are probably hidden images in Lost I think there may be a bit of group think going on here. I see the white skull and wonder whether it is intentional. I don't however see any of the other images. I'm not saying there not there just that IMO its like staring at clouds, the longer you stare the more you see. The human brain has learnt to recognise faces from visual stimuli as a reflex action. But of course I have been wrong before and will be again, keep up the good work!

Although I agree that there are probably hidden images in Lost I think there may be a bit of group think going on here. I see the white skull and wonder whether it is intentional. I don't however see any of the other images. I'm not saying there not there just that IMO its like staring at clouds, the longer you stare the more you see. The human brain has learnt to recognise faces from visual stimuli as a reflex action. But of course I have been wrong before and will be again, keep up the good work!
The best thing to do is re-watch the episode in real-time and instead of focusing on Ben running, watch the background and I think there can be no doubt that the glowing skull is watching him as he runs by-nothing else really lit in the scene at all except the skullface. Also, when checked in photoshop the pixels of the skullface don't mesh with the pixels of everything around it suggesting insertion.

I don't really buy the "seeing pictures in clouds" argument simply because some of us have better visual acuity and a better visual sense than others. I worked in a tv station as a camera man and then in master control for 6 years, so I'm used to staring at alot of video, so I'm use to scanning the scene for extra things probably more than an "untrained observer". Like the man said, 20 million other people missed it-but not The Dude man, not The Dude, TPTB aren't gonna get something like that through without The Dude noticing dadgummitt...

My friend, who btw works engineering in a tv station right now, was kinda skeptical when I described it to him, but he was telling me the other night that it sure as 5hite is there so he's a convert now.

Here's a good example that happened the other day: the local Tv station was at the beach interviewing vendors for Bike week. They're interviewing this attractive woman who's selling merchandise, and nobody bothers to notice that in the left background of the shot is a display shirt hanging with a slogan on it, the biggest word in the slogan being A55hole. It's huge in the shot.This thing goes through the live interview, the cameraman's lens, the editing suite, the news producer, the director of the news, the master control operator, and nobody catches it. But The Dude caught it. The same story runs again at 11pm with no changes. I started to call them up about it and tip 'em off, but why bother let it run. They're CBS and I worked ABC, so let 'em hang LOL...

Point being, you put a pretty girl in the foreground and nobody bothers looking at the background. You put Ben emotionally running in the foreground, nobody's watching the background. The way I do it is, I see the two parties talking, record this into visual memory, then keep listening to them while I'm scanning around in the background for things. That's how it works for me anyway, and why I'm able to see alot of easter eggs etc. the first time they go through. It's also about having good scan too, which alot of the best drivers and pilots have. Being able to look at different areas and things rapidly and keep repeating it.

What can I say, I'm 20/10 in both eyes and the last time I read an eye chart the guy told me I should've been a sniper, and of course I've got a pornographic memory also:biggrin: ...(<>..<>)

I'm a believer in the faces now that I've seen a few... the last one I caught in "Jughead" and it shows up about 6 minutes into the episode (according to my dvr) but I have no way of screencapping it...perhaps someone in the know can help?

A green face embedded in the foilage ..it's large... shows up on the right half of the screen just after the Others with bows and arrows come jumping out of the jungle... the camera pans through the Others and then right before it gets to Miles again... there's the face....it looks like a very young child's face to me. Creeper! I couldn't see it without going frame by frame....and its discovery was accidental, I just happened to be pausing the show there. If someone says I'm seeing inkblots, then I have to say they need glasses! lol
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Re: Desmond wearing Hurley's tie-dye (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=485) if you look closely, it is as if the polar bear is looking at himself in a mirror with his nose almost touching his reflection.

I'm a believer in the faces now that I've seen a few... the last one I caught in "Jughead" and it shows up about 6 minutes into the episode (according to my dvr) but I have no way of screencapping it...perhaps someone in the know can help?

A green face embedded in the foilage ..it's large... shows up on the right half of the screen just after the Others with bows and arrows come jumping out of the jungle... the camera pans through the Others and then right before it gets to Miles again... there's the face....it looks like a very young child's face to me. Creeper! I couldn't see it without going frame by frame....and its discovery was accidental, I just happened to be pausing the show there. If someone says I'm seeing inkblots, then I have to say they need glasses! lol
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Re: Desmond wearing Hurley's tie-dye (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=485) if you look closely, it is as if the polar bear is looking at himself in a mirror with his nose almost touching his reflection.
Oh, we had a whole thread about the tie-dye shirt (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=6127), most replies by detracters. ;)

There was always something about Time anomalies on LOST, and this was yet another clue about a time-space meltdown (IMO). :)

Re: Desmond wearing Hurley's tie-dye (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=485) if you look closely, it is as if the polar bear is looking at himself in a mirror with his nose almost touching his reflection.

Speaking of Desmond. They say a picture (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=123658&fullsize=1) is worth a 1000 words...

A green face embedded in the foilage ..it's large... shows up on the right half of the screen just after the Others with bows and arrows come jumping out of the jungle... the camera pans through the Others and then right before it gets to Miles again... there's the face....it looks like a very young child's face to me.

Related to the whole egyptian theme going on here.... they believed that a ka (spirit) could inhabit plants.


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/soul.htm


An interesting point to note is that the Egyptians believed that animals, plants, water and even stones had their own Ka. A human's Ka could move around while a person slept, and even inhabit a plant if the Ka so desired, rather than the human. The Ka could manifest itself, as a ghost, to others, both when the person it was 'born' with was dead or a live.


So, not quite as crazy as it sounds... that could be a graphical representation of "The others" watching via possession of plants, etc. Supposedly The Others have a lot of kids training in this sort of thing, just like Walt was.

And since animals, plants, water, etc, can have thier own spirit, the island itself could be doing that sort of thing at times.

Related to the whole egyptian theme going on here.... they believed that a ka (spirit) could inhabit plants.


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/soul.htm

Interestingly related!!! (Especially Jacob because perhaps he doesn't have a body he can use?)

So, not quite as crazy as it sounds... that could be a graphical representation of "The others" watching via possession of plants, etc. Supposedly The Others have a lot of kids training in this sort of thing, just like Walt was.

And since animals, plants, water, etc, can have thier own spirit, the island itself could be doing that sort of thing at times.
Great ideas! I think the way the Others seem to pop in and out of the jungle and other places probably has to do with these faces too. As the Others are related to the Whispers, so I think the faces are related to the Whispers... and the Others' ability to pop in and out of places.

"Did he see us?"
"Has he seen us?"
"Maybe"
"Hide against the bushes"
"Hide the scope"
"Hurry up"
"Open the door"
"Did you see what direction he went?"
"Right through those trees"
"Go and get him"

I get the sense though that the Others are using a mechanical contraption or computerized something-or-other that allows them to see without being seen. And that it's also related to Smokey.
Smoke Monster with Eko
"Steadily"
"He’s trying here"
"Nothing yet"
"Now try him from here, okay"
"He’s hiding something"
"He’s hiding from me"
"Now we got his… / I don’t want to kill him"
"What just happened"
"What'd he say"
"Help me up"
"Is he following?"

I don't know how else to connect the dots to get a full picture, but there seems to be a mechanical way to
get around the island (Smokey?)
see into peoples' consciousnesses and dreams whether they are off island or not (Smokey?)
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got some screencaps of the face in Jughead

Jughead Face 1 (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=faceinjugheadox0.jpg)
Jughead Face 2 (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=faceinjughead4ay6.jpg)
Jughead Face 3 (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=facejughead2se3.jpg)

Wow...something told me to check the thread and I wasn't disappointed. Good stuff people. This thread is now starting to turn into what I envisioned it to be-a place to discuss all the hidden images in Lost (as well as how they relate to The Whispers). It's nice to know that finally I'm not the only one seeing stuff like this. I see the baby face and it's pretty creepy, and the Ka stuff makes sense as well. Good catches! I've got the pic of the tie-die and I'm gonna lighten it up a little and take a look at it. I'll leave ya with this for now, from This Place Is Death:Smokey Face--

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/PDVD_213.jpg --normal

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/PDVD_213-2.jpg--lighter

So, I'm at work and an only jump in and out of threads vs. read them in-depth. What ARE these things? Alien faces???

ETA - Interesting stuff, simone5p, about the Egyptians believing that plants, etc., had spirits. How about the idea that Jacob is the Island personified, but without the physical body? Lately, I've been thinking that Jacob is the Island personified. I've thought this idea on and off, but now I'm back to believing it. Jacob is the Island's personality/soul/something like that, but he needs a body. John Locke?

Related to the whole egyptian theme going on here.... they believed that a ka (spirit) could inhabit plants.


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/soul.htm



So, not quite as crazy as it sounds... that could be a graphical representation of "The others" watching via possession of plants, etc. Supposedly The Others have a lot of kids training in this sort of thing, just like Walt was.

And since animals, plants, water, etc, can have thier own spirit, the island itself could be doing that sort of thing at times.

i posted this link on my coffin theory but it relates to this too
http://www.egyptologyonline.com/the_afterlife.htm

The original pics are still in post #86. I guess I'll tighten up some of the links in there today but most links still function ok...BTW good Egyptian thoughts BL and KO...I'm reading the links now...(<>..<>)

Hey UAC,

Don't have much to add right now, but I've checked out some of the pics and it does look like there's somethin' there. Again, thanks for the heads up!

BL and KO

I love the Egyptian being added in. This is my favorite class, coming to the 'lage, I learn something new everyday.

Could these "faces in the jungle" be the O6ers after they've come back to the Island, but it's a case of different times kind of meshing?

I'm glad everybody came by to check out the new developments. I've been working on the caps for "This Place Is Death" and here's another weird one. Occurs right when the smoke tendrils are jumping Monsieur Kirk, oops I mean Monsieur Montand...:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/PDVD_130-2.jpg

Not sure who's face it is... BTW Ka and Ka-tet figure big in The Dark Tower/The Gunslinger...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka_(Dark_Tower) (<>..<>)

I get totally freaked out with the "face" images...
This is just a show...this is just a show...
Eek!

I get totally freaked out with the "face" images...
This is just a show...this is just a show...
Eek!

LOL-me too...BTW Bri, did you realize that you posted at 3:16. Well, come on down, because now, you're the next contestant on The Time Is RightTM where you'll be playing for a chance to spin our Frozen Donkey Wheel Of WoeTM for a one way trip to the deserttttttttt!!!!...(have fun with that BTW) ;) (<>..<>)

P>S> Big shout-out to Pythagoras99 who originally screencapped ole Ghostface skull for me and got this whole ball rolling back in the day...

I'm glad everybody came by to check out the new developments. I've been working on the caps for "This Place Is Death" and here's another weird one. Occurs right when the smoke tendrils are jumping Monsieur Kirk, oops I mean Monsieur Montand...:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/PDVD_130-2.jpg

Not sure who's face it is...(<>..<>)

It looks like Montand's face to me.

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Originally Posted by UnderAlienControl

I'm glad everybody came by to check out the new developments. I've been working on the caps for "This Place Is Death" and here's another weird one. Occurs right when the smoke tendrils are jumping Monsieur Kirk, oops I mean Monsieur Montand...:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...PDVD_130-2.jpg

Not sure who's face it is...(<>..<>)


There is more than one face... some seem to be overlaping, but I agree... the large one seems to be Montand (mirror image?). If you look to the right of the "real" Montand's right ear... there is that creepy skeleton face again. Smokey is made up of faces... are these all faces related to Montand's life, the way Eko saw images from his life?

I'm glad everybody came by to check out the new developments. I've been working on the caps for "This Place Is Death" and here's another weird one. Occurs right when the smoke tendrils are jumping Monsieur Kirk, oops I mean Monsieur Montand...:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/PDVD_130-2.jpg
...

that's a great cap - i cant always see them but that one is clear as day.

Oh what, how did i miss this thread?

Not sure about the smoke monster face, it looks more accidental than anything, like seeing faces in the clouds.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/PDVD_130-2.jpg
That one is interesting though, not the smoke so much for me, but the fact that Montand is partly translucent... Could be smokey seeing through him?

Also the face reminds me of the lion in the Judy Garland Wizard of Oz movie, makes me think it is Jacob, especially since he was introduced in "Man behind the curtain" - if not a direct link between the two then it is certainly symbolic of their relationship - however, it appears to me as if Smokey is a lot older than Jacob, who, judging by the facts we do have about him - his clothing - puts him around the time of one other historical Events -The black rock.

Wow...that is really creepy, but cool. So, it's like smokey takes on the image of it's victim? UAC, did you have any caps of smokey when he was flinging Eko around?

Interestingly enough, the transparent part of his arm is where it gets ripped from his torso. Probably doesn't mean a darn thing, but still. Smokey can have a sense of humor. *shrug*

I'll have to view this again, but isn't this just the bleed-over from the prior frames, where Montand is facing the camera?

Probably, but it's fun to speculate.

YouTube - The Wizard of Oz: Pay No Attention

Wow...that is really creepy, but cool. So, it's like smokey takes on the image of it's victim? UAC, did you have any caps of smokey when he was flinging Eko around?

I can get them. I'll show you these for now. This is what Smokey was displaying when he was scanning? Eko. If you ask me it's similiar to your "life flashing before your eyes" before you die, only in a 2-part kinda sense with Eko. Like, here's your life, then next time he kills him. Or it could be a case of Eko's life flashing in front of Smokey's eyes I dunno. Kansasgal sent me the pics for the thread saving me alot of cap time.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterYoungEko.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterWoman2.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterWoman.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterPriest.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterPartner.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterEkoBro.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterCrucifix.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterChurch.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterBrotherShot2.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/ekoVsMonsterBrotherShot.jpg

Simone5p: I know what you mean about the skully face to the right of Montand. I had a cap where the right tendril was in fact a skully face but can't find it. I'll try to re-capture it from the dvd.

Tramp: I wasn't sure if it was bleed-through or not it's entirely possible I'm just not sure myself. Here is the shot where Smokey starts to engulf him and it's kinda freaky too:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/PDVD_205-3.jpg --regular

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/PDVD_205-2.jpg --lighter

Also, don't forget to go back a page or two and check out the baby face in the foliage Simone5p caught. It's pretty unmistakeable and creepy and ties into the original subject of the thread. Faces in the foliage. To see the original pics along with The Wizard of Oz stuff please see post #86. I'll tighten up the links but most of the important ones are still active. And BTW, if you've never read through this thread then you've seriously missed one hell of a raging debate, but I think the seers have stayed a step ahead of the detractors on this one...(<>..<>)

P>S> Eventually all pictures will end up in post #86 but if I run out of room there I'll open a second post with the rest of the pics and indicate the number of the post. UAC

Well it's Montand alright. I have no idea how you guys see these....I'd never catch them. I went back to that scene and made a couple of screencaps. Man....I'm telling you the bottom screencap looks like something in my worst nightmares. These are just variations of what UAC posted.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/SmokinMontand4.jpg

Well it's Montand alright. I have no idea how you guys see these....I'd never catch them. I went back to that scene and made a couple of screencaps. Man....I'm telling you the bottom screencap looks like something in my worst nightmares. These are just variations of what UAC posted.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/SmokinMontand4.jpg
Wow!!! It is him!
UAC, this stuff is amazing. I don't know how you all spot all these faces.

Wow!!! It is him!
UAC, this stuff is amazing. I don't know how you all spot all these faces.

My computer has PowerDVD and I'm always looking for stuff like that anyway so it's not too hard really. I guess I'll go and start tightening up post #86 now as alot of the links seem to be broken. I'll let you all know when I've restored all the links...(<>..<>)

My computer has PowerDVD and I'm always looking for stuff like that anyway so it's not too hard really. I guess I'll go and start tightening up post #86 now as alot of the links seem to be broken. I'll let you all know when I've restored all the links...(<>..<>)
Thanks UAC! The pics/images are fascinating!!

Well it's Montand alright. I have no idea how you guys see these....I'd never catch them. I went back to that scene and made a couple of screencaps. Man....I'm telling you the bottom screencap looks like something in my worst nightmares. These are just variations of what UAC posted.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/SmokinMontand4.jpg

Soooo, is this the visual rendition of Smokey "sucking" the life soul (life force) out of a body? If that's the case, there must be a plethora of souls searching for a host body on this island!
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I get totally freaked out with the "face" images...
This is just a show...this is just a show...
Eek!

LOL-me too...BTW Bri, did you realize that you posted at 3:16. Well, come on down, because now, you're the next contestant on The Time Is RightTM where you'll be playing for a chance to spin our Frozen Donkey Wheel Of WoeTM for a one way trip to the deserttttttttt!!!!...(have fun with that BTW) ;) (<>..<>)

P>S> Big shout-out to Pythagoras99 who originally screencapped ole Ghostface skull for me and got this whole ball rolling back in the day...

LOL! I somehow missed this page...probably a good thing at the time...I probably would have spent the night seeing "dead people'!

Anybody wanna take a run at this one?

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/da2dc_GhoulInSmokeJackChaseaWInset6.jpg

Talk about old-school. I had no way to make caps so I took a picture of my hdtv screen for this one. This is when they're making the plan to trap Ethan. Kinda looks like weird faces listening in on the plan...

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/MVC-045F-1_edited-2.jpg

Speaking of Ka:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/lostcavehead37lo_edited.jpg

Okay, so maybe I'm seeing an additional credence to all the "little people" by reading threads like this that bring me to this "ghost world" of the Losties. All those little statues we have seen...the nurse figure in Kate's kitchen (like that fits her personality! LOL!...hmmm, well, she did stitch up Jack in the pilot!)...the statue-like figure of Juliet by the security fence when she and Kate were going back to Otherton after Juliet was "left behind"...Momma Hurley's "Jesus is not a weapon." and all the figurines (religious) that where on her table when Hurley "confessed"...the doll's Ben were given for his birthday...the dolls Jack saw in the stream...the glass ballerina... Anyway, someone was talking about Ka and souls here... and the idea that souls can be contained in other ways comes to mind... not just the gruesome forest nymphs in the jungle, but souls contained in objects like figures and other Egyptian ideas of the dead/afterlife.... Hmmm, those little boxes we use to see in people's apartments...containers for the afterlife?

eta: Didn't Locke have some military figurines in his apartment? We know he had lots of soldiers when he was playing war games at work...
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UAC, you have to check out this page (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=102168&page=242)...Juniebun found something very interesting!

Bri - All the figurines talk reminds me of the box that Ben had in the hotel room with Jack that he took out of the vent. Maybe, it was something pretty simple like the box of chocolates with the gun in it for Sun, but...maybe...it has someone's soul in it!

<------------------------LOST Geek

...maybe...it has someone's soul in it!
All I have to say is, EEK!
And of course, who could it be? Hmmmmm...

Excellent Juniebun!

eta:
Joyce also employs a literary device referenced as stream of consciousness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_consciousness_writing).

eta:
"Beating a dead horse", Dead metaphors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_metaphor).

Wiki: Metempsychosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metempsychosis);

Metempsychosis is a philosophical term in the Greek language referring to the belief of transmigration of the soul, especially its reincarnation after death. It is a doctrine popular among a number of Eastern religions such as Buddhism, Jainism and Druzism[1] wherein an individual incarnates from one body to another, either human, animal, or plant.[2] Generally the term is only used within the context of Greek Philosophy, but has also been used by modern philosophers such as Schopenhauer[3] and Kurt Gödel[4]; otherwise the term transmigration is more appropriate. The word also plays a prominent role in James Joyce's Ulysses, and is associated also with Nietzsche.[5] Another term sometimes used synonymously is Palingenesia.
Infinitati Sacrum
('Sacred to Infinity')
E P I S T L E.
I bid you remember, (for I will have no such Readers as I can teach) is, that the Pithagorian doctrine doth not onely carry one soule from man to man, nor man to beast, but indifferently to plants also: and therefore you must not grudge to finde the same soule in an Emperour, in a Post-horse, and in a Mucheron, since no unreadinesse in the soule, but an indisposition in the organs workes this. And therefore though this soule could not move when it was a Melon, yet it may remember, and now tell mee, at what lascivious banquet it was serv’d. And though it could not speaker, when it was a spider, yet it can remember, and now tell me, who used it for poison to attaine dignitie. How ever the bodies have dull’d her other faculties, her memory hath ever been her owne, which makes me so seriously deliver you by her relation all her passages from her first making when shee was that apple which Eve eate, to this time when shee is hee, whose life you shall finde in the end of this booke.
~John Donne
16. Augusti 1601.
M E T E M P S Y C O S I S. (http://www.luminarium.org/editions/metempsycosis.htm)

Looks like you beat me Bri.

Really amazing "stuff" coming together Sam!!!
(...and I have to leave for a couple of hours...
...where is UAC!)

“The Witch of East 72 Street”

“I will put upon you the Telephone Curse,” said the witch.
“The telephone will ring when you are standing on a chair with a Chinese
vase in either hand,
And when you answer you will hear only the derisive popping of corks.
Angry men will call in the day-peep to ask where the hell is that taxi,
And desperate insect voices will beg an incomprehensible boon.”
But I was arm’d so strong in honesty,
Her threats passed by me like the idle wind.

“And I will put upon you the Curse of Dropping,” said the witch.
“The dropping of tiny tacks, the dropping of food-tittles,
The escape of wet dishes from the eager-grasping hand,
The dropping of spectacles, stitches, final consonants, the abdomen.”
I sneer’d, jeer’d, fleer’d; I flouted, scouted; I pooh-pooh-pooh’d.

“I will put upon you the Curse of Forgetting,” screamed the witch.
“Names, numbers, faces, old songs, old joy,
Words that once were magic, love, upward ways, the way home.”
“No doubt the forgotten is well forgotten,” said I.

“And I will put upon you the Curse of Remembering,” bubbled the witch.
Terror strook my eyes, knees, heart.
And I took her charred contract
And signed in triplicate.

--Morris Bishop (1893-1973), A Bowl of Bishop (Dial Press, 1954)

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These don't really equate to the smokie imagery in my opinion.. they're something different entirely. You know what it looks like to me? It looks like someone's face reflected in a video monitor.

Or a one-way glass... or a mirror.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/throughmirror.html

Remote Viewing?

These don't really equate to the smokie imagery in my opinion.. they're something different entirely. You know what it looks like to me? It looks like someone's face reflected in a video monitor.

I hear ya-these pics weren't really added as Smokey displaying images, more like what happens when Smokey first hits you Venom-style. Apparently, he likes to hit the head first when he bags somebody up...(<>..<>)

“And I will put upon you the Curse of Remembering,” bubbled the witch.
Terror strook my eyes, knees, heart.
And I took her charred contract
And signed in triplicate.

'Tis not a curse, but more like cursive.

'Tis not a curse, but more like cursive.

Loops.

You are not crazy. You are actually discussing one of MANY digitally added, hidden images on the show.

I got skewered 2 seasons ago for mentioning that there is clearly a cat on Jacob's shoulder in the cabin. And when Jack opens his eye in the pilot, you can CLEARLY see faces and a skull in the pupil.

The post production on this show is remarkable. Between hidden visual and audio add-ons, there's a whole world of LOST interpretation available for discussion.

For Example, ever notice that characters' eyes keep changing color?

Jack (http://lostputtingitalltogether.blogspot.com/2009/02/second-stop-on-tour-of-evidence-eyes.html) is a good example. (BTW, this LOST blog is still under construction!)


Or that voice dubbing doesn't ever QUITE match mouth movements?

LOTS more to see if we are open to it. AND, in my opinion, these hidden clues are really telling us everything we need to know.

Check it out!

Aohora - You are my soulmate (don't tell my husband! lol!)! I have been hammering home the idea about the eyes changing colors and the way that they look for what seems like years now! I think that I even bore and annoy the people that agree with me on it...lol...I would LOVE to hear your take on it, the eyes, that is! Please feel free to PM me if you'd like...

Most recent "eye stuff" that I've noticed is Mrs. Hawking's dark, dark eyes. When we first saw her in the Lampost, they were black...and that rabbit of hers had black eyes, too...

You are not crazy. You are actually discussing one of MANY digitally added, hidden images on the show.

I got skewered 2 seasons ago for mentioning that there is clearly a cat on Jacob's shoulder in the cabin. And when Jack opens his eye in the pilot, you can CLEARLY see faces and a skull in the pupil.

The post production on this show is remarkable. Between hidden visual and audio add-ons, there's a whole world of LOST interpretation available for discussion.

For Example, ever notice that characters' eyes keep changing color?

Jack (http://lostputtingitalltogether.blogspot.com/2009/02/second-stop-on-tour-of-evidence-eyes.html) is a good example. (BTW, this LOST blog is still under construction!)


Or that voice dubbing doesn't ever QUITE match mouth movements?

LOTS more to see if we are open to it. AND, in my opinion, these hidden clues are really telling us everything we need to know.

Check it out!

I will-I noticed a big mismatch in the audio/lip movement by Locke when he was on the sidewalk talking to Abaddon during the traffic scene. I figured it was a bad loop-job and that they might've had to do a loop because of the traffic or bystander noise. Still, it seemed odd that it was done so sloppily. I found it puzzling considering the usually high production values.

As far as the eyes Junie, I've sometimes noticed that Ben's eyes have seemed dark at times (along with his clothing) post-island making me think he looks like some kind of vampire. The dark eyes make me think of the Black Goo on the X-files and how it looked when it took you over, Venom style (like the Smokester?).

Widmore telling Ben "I know what you are" has often made me wonder if Ben might've been dragged down a hole by The Smokester and given the Black Goo treatment himself. maybe along with some or all of The Others. I've found it hard to shake the belief that somehow when they fought Ethan and he kicked their a55es that they may have been fighting The Smokester via apparition instead of the real Ethan.

Maybe in a way they were if Ethan had gotten goo'd by the Smokester. I mean he was incredibly fast and strong as most of the Others are, leading me to the conclusion that if nothing else they're some kind of Manimals who break necks with blurry, speedy precision...(<>..<>)

"Manimals"!
Cool.
It would explain the extra human strength Ethan seemed to have.

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These don't really equate to the smokie imagery in my opinion.. they're something different entirely. You know what it looks like to me? It looks like someone's face reflected in a video monitor.

Or a one-way glass... or a mirror.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/throughmirror.html

Remote Viewing?

Accelerated Remote Viewing...?
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"Manimals"!
Cool.
It would explain the extra human strength Ethan seemed to have.
Look at how easily they jumped the Mercs...The Mercs have training too and they just couldn't compete with the Manimals that are The Others...(<>..<>)

I like the manimal lol! How about Joop? And why would daniel name one of his doomed lab rats Eloise?

I have had a theory for awhile that "the others" might be some sort of dead/undead. Perhaps when you gain that status you also gain super strength and awesome fighting skills? (Oh no! Does that mean Sayid is really a super!dead?? ;))

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I agree about the eyes. Weird stuff happens with eyes, and I think eyes are a key theme of the show! Look at that photo of Jack with one brown eye and one green...

There are a lot of EYES in the background. In TLADOJB, the bonfire on the beach has some images of a half face and eye...

And Jack running through the jungle before jumping in to save Hurley... there are a lot of eyes in the jungle background watching him at one point....there seems to be an image larger than the others of half the face of a little girl, perhaps Asian (Ji Yeong?)

Also Locke's flashback to the FDW chamber with Christian... eyes there too. I'll try to get some screen caps.

WHO do these faces/eyes belong to? Observers of the "project" or game? the dead? or the Others? Remember how Cindy told Jack she was there to watch? Observation is the way to true awareness.

The heads/faces/eyes do not seem real... and some seem frozen with horrible faces.

The elements seem to contain the faces... earth/water/fire/air. Have any faces/eyes appeared off Island?

I have been seeing "things" since mid season 2. I got curious why the camera was panned by nothing so I got curious, and found something that I still cant explain.
many other things too.
When jack closes the gun locker with Henry in it, and Sayid is looking in at him, by Henry on wall is a creeping thing.
Why? and When we get an answer will it make us go "oh man it was there all that time infront of us". Every epi leaves me feeling like I was suppose to notice something and that the truth is standing in front of us.

So if you think you are seeing things, You are not.

Well, I think another thing that's weird is how the Whispers are watching Benry being tortured and making facetious comments about Ben while he's being tortured. Just where are they exactly when this is going on? They seem to be in the hatch and yet invisible. After all, it's not the jungle so it can't really be chalked up to hiding in the foliage. I'm thinkin' the walls might need a good examine in those scenes...(<>..<>)

Well, I think another thing that's weird is how the Whispers are watching Benry being tortured and making facetious comments about Ben while he's being tortured. Just where are they exactly when this is going on? They seem to be in the hatch and yet invisible. After all, it's not the jungle so it can't really be chalked up to hiding in the foliage. I'm thinkin' the walls might need a good examine in those scenes...(<>..<>)

I think you're right UAC... that there is a way the Whispers are there and "invisible"... watching and listening... I think in your Benry example, Ben seems to answer the Whispers back sarcastically,... "I can hear you." The same way Miles can hear the dead, so can Ben. The scene with Walt climbing the tree to get away from the polar bear... the Whispers seem to be describing events as if they are inside the polar bear or are somehow puppeting the polar bear from elsewhere. Just like the Whispers while Smokey is stalking Eko... so I think Smokey is the way that the Others transmogrify themselves into images (usually ones that frighten the Losties). They take the images from inside the Losties' memories... whether those memories are real or false... and are able to project them into "reality" somehow.

I think you're right UAC... that there is a way the Whispers are there and "invisible"... watching and listening... I think in your Benry example, Ben seems to answer the Whispers back sarcastically,... "I can hear you." The same way Miles can hear the dead, so can Ben. The scene with Walt climbing the tree to get away from the polar bear... the Whispers seem to be describing events as if they are inside the polar bear or are somehow puppeting the polar bear from elsewhere. Just like the Whispers while Smokey is stalking Eko... so I think Smokey is the way that the Others transmogrify themselves into images (usually ones that frighten the Losties). They take the images from inside the Losties' memories... whether those memories are real or false... and are able to project them into "reality" somehow.
Well, IMO this is why Richard needed Ben in the first place and why Ben is "special". Because he can see, and apparently hear, The Apparitions and The Whispers. The main point I've made this determination off of is the fact that Richard is very keen to differentiate between Ben seeing/hearing real dead people, ala Miles, vs. seeing/hearing The Apparitions.

Why would Horace want to blow up the trees.

Remember Daphne was turned into a tree to protect her from being pursued... Maybe the trees are people? Remember the scene in Disney's Snow White (?) where she is running through the forest and the trees have faces and raise their "roots" in which to trip her? Then there are the tree people in LOTR...

Remember all the times the Losties have been running and trip for no reason?

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These don't really equate to the smokie imagery in my opinion.. they're something different entirely. You know what it looks like to me? It looks like someone's face reflected in a video monitor.

Or a one-way glass... or a mirror.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/throughmirror.html (http://www.wsu.edu/%7Ebrians/errors/throughmirror.html)

Remote Viewing?

I LOVE that! "Through a glass, darkly" is very interesting. . .

Check it:

Visual Images: Bunnies and Mirrors (http://lostputtingitalltogether.blogspot.com/2009/02/evidence-tour-stop-3-bunnies-mirrors.html)

Remember all the times the Losties have been running and trip for no reason?
Yes!
Sneaky trees!?
Can Smokey also go to "invisibility" mode? Would that explain the "faces" on the foliage? We have seen visible Smokey "reflect" faces...

Advanced cloaking and camouflage technology?...Dryads?

One of the first things we learn as an infant is the ability to resolve faces. It is a common human trait to resolve a face out of a few random marks. In the book "Understanding Comics" Scott McCloud devotes a lot of time to this, and it is well worth the read. Don't believe me, go look at the little surprised face in the wall plug or stare at the front of your car. Over the years I've seen several threads where people posted frames supposedly showing faces worked into Lost footage. They were no more convincing than the faces I can resolve out of the pattern in the drapes behind my monitor. Several of the special effects in Lost, 3D animals, the smoke monster, etc. have been of dubious quality. I don't want to judge the CGI staff, it's a weekly show and I don't know the time-constraints or restrictions they are working under (we do know the quality that they CAN achieve from the pilot), but it doesn't make sense that they can't pull off a 3D boar (or was it a polar bear), but they can find the time and budget to perfectly track in all these 3D faces, integrate them into the moving footage, perfectly rotoscope the actors back on top of the effect, and make it so subtle and perfect that only a handful of people notice.

Sorry guys, I just don't buy it.

I agree. Do some research on Pareidolia. "The term pareidolia describes a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant." I understand that the "Whispers" are put in and do have meaning to the story. Some of the images you mention might not be.
Check out the links to learn more about Pareidolia.
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?s=pareidolia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
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Remember all the times the Losties have been running and trip for no reason?
That would explain a lot. Like why every woman falls when she is being chased in movies.:biggrin:

Advanced cloaking and camouflage technology?...Dryads?

Oh my!
Now do we bring up the nymphs of the waters!
The Losties are drinking "spirits"!?
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Check out the links to learn more about Pareidolia.
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Heehee, no matter, it doesn't mean that writers and producers... artists and poets wouldn't use that to their advantage.

I know that this is not a tripping thread, but I have always been amazed at how perfect the "tripping" is.. I started seeing things in season 2, and got so paraniod about it, that I thought my computer had a virus.. I solisited alot of people to see if maybe a bug on my computer was showing me these images.. anyway, not till this year or last that somone noticed too.
and this alone tells me, it takes the masses to make a mircle!.
there is something there we are just getting the pieces together for.
When Shannon was shot, they panned the ground in a scene, and later I slowed it enough to see faces on wet leaves on the ground. I looked for ever at sayid tripping too.. trying to understand why they focused on that. thought I saw a shadow of a man as well near ecko in that epi. I just know after that I have been looking. See things on walls, shirts, faces, and of course in the eyes.
What ever it is, it is by far the most interesting thing ever on tv..

You're not alone, I've been mentioning the tripping for a long time. The clumsiest group of people I've ever seen.

For Example, ever notice that characters' eyes keep changing color?


Eyes appear to change color with the different surroundings. The light that hits the eyes will effect the perception of color. If there is less light hitting the eyes the pupil will get bigger thus showing less of the iris's color. Plus if there is less light hitting the eyes the, the color is going to get darker. Anything is going to appear darker in darker lighting. Compare your shirt in bright daylight as opposed to a dimly lit room. It will look darker and appear as a different color in the dimly lit room.

Also color will change when the color of the surroundings change. The same color will look different when placed nest to different colors. Check out the link. http://www.uni-bielefeld.de/lili/kumu/farbenlehre-kueppers/en/sehen23.html

I would be interesting to study a different TV show and get screen caps from another green eyed actor and see if their eyes change during a five season period.

You're not alone, I've been mentioning the tripping for a long time. The clumsiest group of people I've ever seen.

And no one's wearing platform shoes! (Hmmm, stuck in the 70's now, Sawyer in platforms...hahaha.) J/K

There must be some metaphor tptb are trying to drill into our heads...
"Now your here, now your not."

eta: Thinking about it a little more, it would be just like them to make us keep our eyes and the physical and miss the metaphysical...

Eyes appear to change color with the different surroundings. The light that hits the eyes will effect the perception of color. If there is less light hitting the eyes the pupil will get bigger thus showing less of the iris's color. Plus if there is less light hitting the eyes the, the color is going to get darker. Anything is going to appear darker in darker lighting. Compare your shirt in bright daylight as opposed to a dimly lit room. It will look darker and appear as a different color in the dimly lit room.

Also color will change when the color of the surroundings change. The same color will look different when placed nest to different colors. Check out the link. http://www.uni-bielefeld.de/lili/kumu/farbenlehre-kueppers/en/sehen23.html

I would be interesting to study a different TV show and get screen caps from another green eyed actor and see if their eyes change during a five season period.

Under normal circumstances they wouldn't be remarked upon.
Except that there are so many other clues having to do with eyes. From the opening shots on eyes to the unblinking Ben. Some actors have said they were asked to wear contact lenses - to me it means eye color is important in some way.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=125033&fullsize=1
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=125117&fullsize=1

One of the blinks happens by the well in the beginning of LaFleur. Juliet's eye were very dark there. (Juliet has an odd blinking habit.)

Not to mention that usually actors with eyes that change colors depending on what they are wearing don't tend to have one green eye and one brown eye, for example...

Not to mention that usually actors with eyes that change colors depending on what they are wearing don't tend to have one green eye and one brown eye, for example...

How about a screen cap, for example...

How about a screen cap, for example...

I was referencing the link on page 20 of the thread.

Jack (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_A1uqgx-M1Gg/SZ039caIgEI/AAAAAAAAAaM/TemseJCcUwc/s1600-h/Picture+40.png)

(Source (http://lostputtingitalltogether.blogspot.com/2009/02/second-stop-on-tour-of-evidence-eyes.html))

Edit to add:
People might find this thread that too2strange created on the Djinn interesting (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=109615). Let's just say a lot of things we have been talking about here seem to fit with the idea that there are Djinn on the loose.

You're not alone, I've been mentioning the tripping for a long time. The clumsiest group of people I've ever seen.

Well, you haven't seen me yet :biggrin:

Some of them are wearing other people's shoes, right? I have a pair of sneakers that fit perfectly...but are a little bit too long. So, I end up tripping a little bit every now and again on steps. Sometimes a cigar's a cigar, ya know?

Maybe all the faces are just laughing at how clumsy our heroes are in their shoes that don't fit? :)

Yes, and sometimes they bring up cigars because they can't tell you the truth.

I agree. Do some research on Pareidolia. "The term pareidolia describes a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant." I understand that the "Whispers" are put in and do have meaning to the story. Some of the images you mention might not be.

"New opinions are always suspected, and usually opposed, without any other reason but because they are not already common."--John Locke (1632-1704)

Sorry, but I don't need to have that argument again, we already had it 20 pages ago and the bottom line is this: I know what I'm looking at, and I know they're playing with the video. In Photoshop, old skullface's pixels just don't match up with the surrounding pixels suggesting insertion. And, unless you've seen the bush behind Christian stand upright into the rabbit shape during White Rabbit, then you're probably not watching as closely as some of us are watching. Because, that actually occured in that episode via cgi. So see, they do play with the video. Now let me ask you this: if that's a fact, then does that make me a liar?

Another thing is that I (and I'm sure others) look at alot of foliage scenes in Lost and there are very few that yield anything substantial, so I don't think you can call this 'looking at clouds". That's just ridiculous. If that were the case, you could find stuff in all the foliage scenes, but it just doesn't work that way.

There have been only a few good images worth noting out of all the scenes in Lost and the reason why they are noteworthy is because you can see the image right off the bat. No hunting or peering around, it's always right in your face when they do it which is why we catch it when they do it. After all, they want you to see it or it wouldn't be in the show.

Like the man said, 20 million people missed the ghostface. But when I watched it I saw it immediately and posted it. After all, it was glowing in the background for anybody that cared to look at it. Maybe some of us are just better at this than others, that's what I think. In my case, I have the advantage of having worked in an ABC TV station for 6 years, so I kinda know what I'm doing when it comes to looking at video...(<>..<>)

beyond the hidden visiuals.. I think the title of this thread also captures the essence of Lost... Some sort of Blindness... (philosophical, theological, cultural, literal?) that our characters (and the audience) are meant to "awaken" from...

More obvious "open your eyes" clues... Charlie's tattoo: "living is easy with eyes closed"; Room 23 Video...."Be The Awakened One;" the mysterious glass eye; "eye m sick;" "Eye-land;" Eye of Horus...

"New opinions are always suspected, and usually opposed, without any other reason but because they are not already common."--John Locke (1632-1704)

Sorry, but I don't need to have that argument again, we already had it 20 pages ago and the bottom line is this: I know what I'm looking at, and I know they're playing with the video. In Photoshop, old skullface's pixels just don't match up with the surrounding pixels suggesting insertion. And, unless you've seen the bush behind Christian stand upright into the rabbit shape during White Rabbit, then you're probably not watching as closely as some of us are watching. Because, that actually occured in that episode via cgi. So see, they do play with the video. Now let me ask you this: if that's a fact, then does that make me a liar?

Another thing is that I (and I'm sure others) look at alot of foliage scenes in Lost and there are very few that yield anything substantial, so I don't think you can call this 'looking at clouds". That's just ridiculous. If that were the case, you could find stuff in all the foliage scenes, but it just doesn't work that way.

There have been only a few good images worth noting out of all the scenes in Lost and the reason why they are noteworthy is because you can see the image right off the bat. No hunting or peering around, it's always right in your face when they do it which is why we catch it when they do it. After all, they want you to see it or it wouldn't be in the show.

Like the man said, 20 million people missed the ghostface. But when I watched it I saw it immediately and posted it. After all, it was glowing in the background for anybody that cared to look at it. Maybe some of us are just better at this than others, that's what I think. In my case, I have the advantage of having worked in an ABC TV station for 6 years, so I kinda know what I'm doing when it comes to looking at video...(<>..<>)

Have you taken a long hard look at this infamous photos (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/6/68/FourToedFull.jpg) foliage? Look to the left of the ABC logo and the Caps user logo in the clearing, I see two sets of legs, the figures dressed in black with white head gear or masks and perhaps up to five more in white head gear emerging from the bushes. I don't think these are flowers they would be to big.
Also alittle above the ABC logo and to the left there seems to be another square stone in the trees with what looks to be a face on it.

more "eyes"... there is that metalic looking thing to the right of the statue... is it "projecting" the statue (http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2444/fourtoes.jpg)?

Have you taken a long hard look at this infamous photos (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/6/68/FourToedFull.jpg) foliage? Look to the left of the ABC logo and the Caps user logo in the clearing, I see two sets of legs, the figures dressed in black with white head gear or masks and perhaps up to five more in white head gear emerging from the bushes. I don't think these are flowers they would be to big.
Also alittle above the ABC logo and to the left there seems to be another square stone in the trees with what looks to be a face on it.

more "eyes"... there is that metalic looking thing to the right of the statue... is it "projecting" the statue (http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2444/fourtoes.jpg)?


I can see most of the things the both of you are talking about. Good job!

Regarding eyes.....this isn't in the same genre as the other pic's posted. But I gotta' say, this shot reminded me of a very large eye.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/PendulumMap-Screencap1.jpg

Regarding eyes.....this isn't in the same genre as the other pic's posted. But I gotta' say, this shot reminded me of a very large eye.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/PendulumMap-Screencap1.jpg

http://blog.newsweek.com/photos/levelup/HAL-9000-from-Stanley-Kubrick_2700_s-_2200_2001_3A00_-A-Space-Odyssey_2200_.aspx

I don't know what you mean, Dave.

Here's a close-up of the base of the statue (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/889/fourtoescloseup.jpg) ...looks like people (not ancient Egyptian people) at the base of the statue.

Charlotte's death (http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5647/charlottedies.jpg)... Jungle Walk (http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6002/losteyes.jpg)... Hostiles with Juliet (http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4869/othersreunion.jpg)... more faces/eyes
How about a screen cap, for example...

Montand's eyes.... (http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2618/montandseyes.jpg) one brown/one green

Montand's eyes.... (http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2618/montandseyes.jpg) one brown/one green


His left eye is in very bright light while his right is in shadow. I can not get a screen capture, but a few seconds later he turns his head to talk to someone else and his right eye is in better light. It looks green when he turns his head.

His left eye is in very bright light while his right is in shadow. I can not get a screen capture, but a few seconds later he turns his head to talk to someone else and his right eye is in better light. It looks green when he turns his head.

I'm sure it does turn green again...

It's not just the color of the right eye... the right eye is not quite aligned with his face... notice how the right orbital opening is almost like a double image..

I've created a thread solely dedicated to trees:

Trees: Our Theories (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=109758)

It's not for looking for hidden things in plain sight in the foliage like in this thread, more for discussing our theories about what trees mean or are in LOST...but since we have been talking about trees a lot here I thought I would mention it, in case anyone is interested.:grin:

I'm sure it does turn green again...


Are you saying that it turns green because the lighting changed or CGI manipulation?
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And, unless you've seen the bush behind Christian stand upright into the rabbit shape during White Rabbit, then you're probably not watching as closely as some of us are watching. Because, that actually occured in that episode via cgi.

I was trying to find that today. I did not watch the whole episode. Could you tell me what time in "White Rabbit" that happened so I can check it out. Thanks.

http://blog.newsweek.com/photos/levelup/HAL-9000-from-Stanley-Kubrick_2700_s-_2200_2001_3A00_-A-Space-Odyssey_2200_.aspx

I don't know what you mean, Dave.


lol....for real. Ya' know....I don't think I've ever watched that movie in its' entirety.

I love this thread!
(eek!)
Really great catch on the pendulum room "eye" seaquelost!
And Hal Mr. Find!
Are we on singularity eyeland!

lol....for real. Ya' know....I don't think I've ever watched that movie in its' entirety.

I have watched 2001: A Space Odyssy in its entirety, but I have to admit I almost didn't make it. I found the movie really hard to comprehend. I think I might have enjoyed more the less-lauded sequel, 2010: The Year We Make Contact, because the explanations it provided made the dumbfounding goings on in 2001: A Space Odyssy make sense.

I love this thread!
(eek!)
Really great catch on the pendulum room "eye" seaquelost!
And Hal Mr. Find!
Are we on singularity eyeland!

I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do. ;)

;) There ya go!

;) There ya go!

HAL 9000 in the key of C:

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.
I'm half crazy all for the love of you.
It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't afford a carriage.
But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two.



Wait a minute! Dave, Daisy. Hmmm.... Davey sounds like Daisy.... Eureka, I've got it!!!

Now the movie makes perfect non-sense!

make up your own mind.

Horace's hair (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4990/alperthoracehair.jpg)

Playing with ideas...
Spectrogram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spectrogram_-_Aphex_Twin_-_Windowlicker.png), Spectrograms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrogram), Aphex Twin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphex_Twin), Electronic music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_music), Ultrasound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasound), Windowlicker spiral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windowlicker_spiral.png)...

7-09-07: ADDED MORE IMAGES TO THE THREAD WITH OUTLINES--POST#86

DISCLAIMER FOR THE MODERATORS: After discussing the thread with MODERATOR DIABOLO237 (A Prince Among Darkness!) who condemned it to Hell, but then returned it back to the living (why do I suddenly feel like Spawn?) I need to state that I do have over-arching theories on this topic on the whole of LOST, not just for the episode "The Man Behind The Curtain", that I will be publishing. I just wanted to get the discussion off the ground first, with the post/links etc., and this was just the episode these particular images were spotted in, but not the only episodes we will be discussing.

I also envision this thread to be an overall discussion of all hidden images in Lost, and hopefully as a companion to the Whispers thread (as I think they really could be related-the start of my theory!). (<>..<>)

I originally posted this topic Let Me Shoo The Flies Off You...SNOOZERS! (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=79847) under the episode thread for "The Man Behind The Curtain", but since I first posted this on the day of the new show "Greatest Hits", it really only had a short life on the board, but still generated about 3500 views and over 60 responses in that time, so if you want to check that thread first, that's cool as it was a "heat of the moment WTF is that?" kinda thread and contains the first original responses and is the genesis of this thread. Now, since everybody moves on to the "Greatest Hits" and beyond to stay current, as I would myself, we've moved it over here.

I think this is both an Easter Egg wink at us and a genuine theory so I'm going to try to start a discussion here, if for nothing else so that more people will have access to the images who otherwise would have missed them. Pythagoras99 helped me out alot with a great screencap, and as far as I know, I'm the only one I know of so far who even saw the image in the beginning and posted, so I'm claiming discovery and bringing it to everybody's attention.

Ok, so is it really possible that I was the only one who saw the giant green skull/face in the jungle foliage during "The Man Behind The Curtain"? Is everybody blind or am I trippin' off of my Apollo Bar (yummy psychotropic nougat!), washed down with some Dharma Trippy Hippy Beer (slogan: No need to leave the house 'cause theres a trip in every can!), and losin' it? I saw it plain as day and it was freaky, but either way if this pans out, I'm lookin' for a LOST Eagle Eye Merit Badge out of it. Are ya ready?

The scene is: When Ben's dad is drunk and forgets his birthday, Ben runs out of the house, through some thick jungle, and emerges in a clearing in front of the sonic fence. Watch closely as he runs out of the jungle and the scene cuts to the clearing. As Ben bursts into the clearing, in the foliage behind Ben, is a giant skull/face head, and another chiseled looking skull on the right end of the foliage (not visible due to darkness). The middle skull is practically flourescent, since it is well-lit and brighter green/white than the rest of the foliage in the scene, and seemed to have a somewhat 3-D! look to it. You can't miss it! It was darker in the clearing during the scene in the show, which made it stand out like it was radioactive, saying "look at me look at me" and I had no problem spotting it in real time while re-watching the episode. That's right, I wasn't even slo-mo looking for anything, just re-watching this episode when I caught it.

And you wanna know something really eerie? It looks like the head is slightly turned to follow Ben with it's eyes as he runs by it. Just like the chiseled looking skull on the right end is facing the way that he came from, like their watching him coming and going. It also looks like the skulls have snakey bodies behind them, sort of like the head is at the end of a stalk type body. Similiar to the body of the "water probe" in the movie "The Abyss"-like the heads are snaking out of the foliage at the end of these "bodies".

In the darkness of the scene in the clearing, you can really only see the glowing skull/face, but of course that was designed to get us looking further. A good analogy here would be the Angler fish that lives deep in the ocean in the darkness. This fish is dark colored but has a photo-electric tail that glows in the darkness, which is it's "lure". It hangs the "lure" over it's head and when a fish goes to hit the "lure" it's really swimming right into the jaws of the other fish, dark and invisible to it, due to the fact that the prey fish is focused on the lure in the background so he doesn't see the dark danger in the foreground. Watching the scene on TV, you were all focused on the foreground (Ben running) when all I could see was the lure/glowing skull in the background-Guess which one I went for? Wanna know what it felt like when I went for the "skull lure" glowing in the background of the darkened scene during the show--like I was flying into the hidden jaws of that fish. And it sucked me in........

So when Pythagoras posted the screen cap zoomed in, cropped and lightened up some, lo and behold the second chiseled looking skull on the right end is easily visible now, so we know we are on the right track in our search. And once you start examining the screencap there are like, 10 images in it. Of course with this being the Wizard of Oz episode, I figure they wanted to send us on a little trip of our own, and gave us something really cool to discover, you know-something "Behind The Curtain" (the curtain is the darkness). It all fits with the theme of the episode.

Anyway, check out the 2 skulls in the screencap and look around in it to see what else you can pick out, and then after you digest it a little bit, I'll be back to explain more theory-wise in greater detail, and about how I think this relates to a big mystery of the whole of Lost...and be sure you've eaten your Apollo Bar (slogan: Food of the Gods)... yummyyyy Dharma Beerrrrr... Namaste (<>..<>)

You're discovery is cool, kudos, but can you also offer some analysis as to why you think this is relevant or what it means to the story?

Otherwise it's like driving by a car wreck and not knowing how or why it happened.

You're discovery is cool, kudos, but can you also offer some analysis as to why you think this is relevant or what it means to the story?

Otherwise it's like driving by a car wreck and not knowing how or why it happened.

I believe the original theory has a claim of fact...(A claim of fact asserts that a condition has existed, exists, or will exist).

The claim is "There are hidden images."

To use your analogy... There is a car wreck.

What is posted here is evidence to support the argument that there are indeed hidden images...

I think the WHY is still a conundrum for us posters to explore. The images are hidden in foilage, fire, rocks, sky, trees, Smokey, etc... all of the elementals.

Speculation: These are faces of the dead... images projected by the Others camiflagued... faces of the Whispers... some sort of observersers outside of the Panopticon, holographic images.. fnords.

I want twenty minutes of my life back.

Sure, I'll buy that the bushes LOOK like a skull. That doesn't make it so.

You claim that the skull is made out of bird heads, but I don't see any pics to prove that.

I kept reading, hoping that somewhere there would be a coherent explanation for why the producers would include hidden images (which would cost them extra money to add into the shots), but nothing.

-- J

You're discovery is cool, kudos, but can you also offer some analysis as to why you think this is relevant or what it means to the story?

Otherwise it's like driving by a car wreck and not knowing how or why it happened.

The whole thread was started to try to find explanations for the manifestation of images in the foliage. I offered up a few myself, including a very long post about how it reminded me of the movie The Others (a film Ms. Hawking happened to be in). It is in this thread and is based on the theory that there are two different groups occupying the same space in different times. And, that when communication is attempted it seems supernatural in appearance due to spacetime distortion. This is what was occuring in the movie with the medium and the possessions. It was supernatural, but in reality it was attempting communication through a spacetime barrier.

In reality, the most obvious answer as to what the skulls really represent are the Whispers. After all, there is a really detailed Whisper conversation going on at this exact time about "we need to get through the fence" and "Wait, we're sending one" (Ben's mom apparition or Ben). Another remark about "if we move around there we might could see better". Things like that are being said. A plan is being executed. You never see them, but they see you. Unseen, incorporeal beings who need human hands to execute the functions that they cannot execute for themselves.

Btw, over to the right of the skullface is the image of a big jowley dog, so I'm going with it's Jacob and his Ghost Dog watching right up front from the foliage. After all, it was his episode, he apparently had a dog, and since this was a flashback he might have still been free to roam the island incorporeally with his big a55 incorporeal Wolfhound. Until he was bound to the cabin by the usurping Benjamin Linus...

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap3077_edited-1-1-1-1.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap3077_edited-1-1-1-1-1.jpg --

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/curtain-cap3077_edited-1-1-1-1-2.jpg --rough dog outline

[/quote] JasonArthur said: I want twenty minutes of my life back.
Sure, I'll buy that the bushes LOOK like a skull. That doesn't make it so.
You claim that the skull is made out of bird heads, but I don't see any pics to prove that.
I kept reading, hoping that somewhere there would be a coherent explanation for why the producers would include hidden images (which would cost them extra money to add into the shots), but nothing.[/quote]

Dude, can't give ya the 20 minutes back, only Jacob could do that..he's the TimeMaster....I've already stated elsewhere in this thread the reason's why I think these skull images and the second layer of Oz images were put in this show/shot. Because it was an Oz-themed show with an Oz-themed title. Per the bird images, view the skull in the provided pic at 200-400% magnification and you will notice that on the left side of the skull (your right) emerging from the eye socket and the mouth of the skullface are fully articulated bird heads. I drew an arrow to the top one in the pic.

There are more bird heads in the foliage all around the skullface and the reason why birds play a role in the skullface image is because in the Oz context of the double-gag the skullface represents the scarecrow. The scarecrow is depicted as having birds sitting on him in Oz art and this is a nod to that, IMO.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/demondogP1-3.jpg

(<>..<>)

I see bushes.

You see bird heads and Wizard of Oz characters.

Clearly one of us isn't looking at this rationally.

-- J

make up your own mind.

Horace's hair (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4990/alperthoracehair.jpg)

What are we supposed to be seeing in the circle, besides hair?

I see bushes.

You see bird heads and Wizard of Oz characters.

Clearly one of us isn't looking at this rationally.

-- J
Dude, it's Lost not 60 Minutes...it's not supposed to be rational it's supposed to be psuedo scientific-y and mysteriously enigmatic. Some people just cannot see what some of us can, I guess. To wit:

Boy: Do not try to bend the spoon; that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Boy: Then you will see, it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.