Last time I checked, Tom was not on any of the Losties top 8 friends on myspace.

Lets take a reminder course on Mr. Tom where Sawyer is concerned.


1. Tom has held a gun to Kates head while holding her hostage in front of Sawyer.

2. He has kidnapped a child (Walt) right in front of Sawyer and was there when Sawyer was "shot" and fell into the ocean to die.

3. He was one of the ones to tranquilize and take Kate Jack and Sawyer at the end of season 2.

4. He was holding Sawyer in a cage over on the Others little Island.

5. He has been behind multiple kidnappings of children from the losties.

6. In this last episode he was leading a team to come to the Losties camp and kidnap Sun and Kate.

7. He had Bernard, Jin and Sayid held at gunpoint and was making a strong case as to why they needed to kill them right in from of Sawyer.

It might be my Marine Corps. instinct but if given a gun in hand and the fact im on foreign soil and dealing with an enemy that time and time again has come after myself, women and children I would have put a bullet square in his chest too.

I guess Sawyer meant it when he said..."You and me ain't done Zeke.."

That was strong...

It might be my Marine Corps. instinct but if given a gun in hand and the fact im on foreign soil and dealing with an enemy that time and time again has come after myself, women and children I would have put a bullet square in his chest too.

I'm not sure Marines are trained to kill enemies who surrender. But on an island where the Geneva Conventions are not observed...

The Marines comment was scary, I gotta say :)

Still, for sure, this isn't conventional warfare, and I guess by this point we can all assume the terms of engagement have been made clear for both sides and killing a captive is acceptable for all involved. And in a real war you wouldn't really have a grudge against a particular soldier on the other side, you wouldn't even meet them.

Tom's surrender changed the dynamics of this "kill" from a war casualty into murder

Tom's surrender changed the dynamics of this "kill" from a war casualty into murderAgreed. To kill comeone who is charging at you with a gun is one thing. To kill them when they have their hands up and have surrendered is quite another.

Tom's surrender changed the dynamics of this "kill" from a war casualty into murder

That said, Tom was arguing to murder Jin, Bernard and Sayid a few minutes before he was shot.

Besides, killing the guilty is never a murder. There is no court of law on the island, so Sawyer dispensed justice the only way he knew how.


I would have to disagree, just because the person is guilty does not mean the person is free from murdering someone.

Here a definition of murder from dictionary.com:
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

Of course, they weren't in the U.S. But it seems pretty universal that murder is killing someone based on intent by thinking of it beforehand.

What Sawyer did was a necessary evil. It had to be done because who knows what they could have done in the future.

I, however, am going to miss Tom.

I will miss Tom too. I love what the writers did with his character as a person that was dangerous and reviled to somewhat of a lovable buffoon to being reminded how dangerous he was. After all, everyone says he surrendered and should not have been murdered, yum, well what was he proposing to do to Bernard, Sayid and Jin, kill them after they surrendered. So it is okay that he proposes it but not okay he does not die by what he proposes. Seems fair to me.

Since when does kidnapping or threatening with a gun in the PAST justify cold blooded murder?

Shooting someone who surrendered, is unarmed and already on the ground is just plain old murder. Hell, one could even argue "first degree" here.
No judge would even dream of buying that as self defense.

Boo, Sawyer :mad:

As long as Tom or Ben or any other Other is breathing, they are scheming to get out, scheming to kill me in the future.
I have said it before, the Losties have been to lenient not to kill the Others in the future. There is no talking, there is no holding prisoner, there is only pop on in the head and 2 in the chest and move on.
I know you could argue that what Sawyer did was “First Degree” but if it was murder its second degree at best and definitely not 1st Degree.
Tom could be charged with 3 counts of kidnapping; 3 counts of Conspiracy to commit murder. That is 6 consecutive life sentences, let save the Island’s taxpayers some money and kill him now instead of having to divert a portion of the food supply to a guy who is facing 6 life sentences.

Tom's surrender changed the dynamics of this "kill" from a war casualty into murder

Ever heard of a phony surrender?
When you have a gun pointed at you, you are gonna try to live.

Sorry Tom, no time outs & no tag backs.

He had it coming.

Allow me to be the devil's advocate:

Problem is that the Others were never exactly scheming to slaughter the Losties. Sure, they have kidnapped or tried to kidnap several of them, they have threatened to kill to get what they desire, but according to lostpedia, there is "only" one actual account of murder on their part (Goodwin killed Nathan, he in turn was killed by Ana Lucia). Their motives and goals remain largely in the dark, but mass murdering the Losties doesn't seem to be their plan.

If anyone used excessive force in this episode, it was the Losties. Instead of simply disarming them and/or taking them hostage, they brutally blew up 5 Others without actually being in imminent danger for their lives, Jin shot an additional 2. Then, after Tom did NOT kill the 3 prisoners as commanded by Ben (we do not know if this was planned by Ben or a decision by Tom), the Losties ran over/shot two more Others. Next, Sawyer chose to execute Tom who had surrendered and was unarmed on the floor with his hands in the air at the time. His premeditation is rather evident in his last comment before shooting Tom: "That's for taking the kid off the raft.".

Here's a body count:

Bernard & Sayid blew up 5 people
Jin shot 2 people
Hurley ran over 1 person with the bus
Sayid broke 1 person's neck
Sawyer shot 1 unarmed person

Summed up: the Others killed ZERO Losties, but the Losties killed 10 Others (!) in this conflict. I ask you: who were the bad guys again? :confused:

Of course the Others are some kind of threat to the Losties, but that doesn't justify slaughtering any number of them. Beeing stranded on an island is NOT a free pass to loose all moral boundaries. Judging whether to kill people or not based on a "better safe than sorry" philosophy is ... um ... rather extreme.

Remember: every coin has at least two sides :)

This was a war. Just because the losties killed more doesn't make them the bad guys. It makes them the winners. Feels good to finally have a win, I think.

Here's a body count:

Bernard & Sayid blew up 5 people
Jin shot 2 people
Hurley ran over 1 person with the bus
Sayid broke 1 person's neck
Sawyer shot 1 unarmed person

Summed up: the Others killed ZERO Losties, but the Losties killed 10 Others (!) in this conflict. I ask you: who were the bad guys again?
Your body count is off. Sun killed in self defense and Charlie in a scene similar to this one murdered Ethan.

Note that nine of the Other's killed in this scene were killed in self defense while involved in an armed attack on the Lostee camp.

Zero Lostees? OK so you do not count tail end section people as real Lostees, ignore unsuccessful attempts to kill Lostees and with holding aid from crash survivors in a move that leaves them open to death from injury,starvation and disease?

All of the Other's who the Lostees have killed would still be alive if the Other's had not opened and pursued a course of violent aggression against the Lostees.

My disapointment with Sawyer in the killing of Tom, was in Sawyer's regression. With the real Sawyer, where he had even more motive to kill, Sawyer was sickened by what he had done. Here with Don he shows no remorse.

My disapointment with Sawyer in the killing of Don, was in Sawyer's regression. With the real Sawyer, where he had even more motive to kill, Sawyer was sickened by what he had done. Here with Don he shows no remorse.

Sawyers emotions following his murder of Cooper obviously were not dealt with appropriately...it appears he cant and won't forgive himself and has gone down the road of self destruct....very Lord of the Flies...i.e. no pity, no remorse, kill because you can and want to.

Dosen't matter what Tom had or didn't have in mind or that he was the enemy....if soldiers believe it is ok to kill unarmed enemy soldiers who have surrendered it is exceptionally sad and frightening

Ummm ... how are we positive Tom is dead? Locke was shot, too. And paralyzed. Three times. Mikhail was fried by the fence and foaming and bleeding at the mouth. He took a harpoon through the chest. Rose had cancer. They were all apparently healed by the island. Maybe Tom will be, too.

(Tom's surrender changed the dynamics of this "kill" from a war casualty into murder )

There are no POW camps on the island. The fact is that Tom was with those who were coming to take the females, and were told to kill the losties.

Just cause Tom surrendered means nothing. Tom would have done what he was told by Ben at a future point. I feel on this island, granted it is all make believe, but on this island there are no rules.

Doesn''t matter what Tom had or didn't have in mind or that he was the enemy....if soldiers believe it is ok to kill unarmed enemy soldiers who have surrendered it is exceptionally sad and frightening True and that is why I feel it was murder just as the killing of Ethan was and the killing of Nathan etc. Many of the island killings have been justified for reasons such as self defense, this one was not. But I already knew Sawyer was capable of murder and had commited murder, so I expressed my disappointment with his backslide into a cold blooded murder without remorse instead of being disappointed that he had not out grown murder.