The pilot said the lost communications 6 hrs into the flight. I wonder if this was part of the communication right before that happened. This is the Co-pilot reporting For Flight815 we are 16 degrees 23 minutes 42 seconds north............................................. .................................

That's when communications ended.

That's a cool theory, LBL.* Is that about where the flight would be six hours out from Sydney?

Maybe we could pass around a hat and hire a pilot to come in here and be grilled for information.* I'd kick in fifty bucks.* Seriously.* *:laugh:

The 4 was not left out...* Not technically...* *:D

"This is the Co-pilot reporting For Flight815 we are 16 degrees 23 minutes 42 seconds North.................."

nice! i like the way the four was just snuck in there...hmmm... someone want to do heave duty math and figure out sbout wher they would be?

The hard part about figuring out where they were is the pilot lost communications and turned back. I don't know how to figure in the 1,000 miles off course. I think we would need to know airspeed, whether they had a tail wind or were flying into a wind. Any pilot's out there? However, I believe they are somewhere around the international dateline. Could be Jarvis island, palmyra Atoll or that area.

check out:

www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/lq.html

That is a great theory* and hopefully they'll touch on that subject soon ;)


It's also interesting that your link is a cia.gov site... ;D

A little subtlety I'm glad you chose not to ignore.

I like this theory! I do hope we'll get a flashback at some point that shows the cockpit before the crash, although I'm not sure how that will happen.

What I'm wondering is how the safety deposition box and the copier come into play. They both had 8 and 15, but what about the other numbers?

I checked the Qantas airline website and a direct flight from Sydney to Los Angeles take 13 hours and 25 minutes. So the halfway point would be about 6 hours 42 minutes and 30 seconds. Does anyone know how to figure out what longitude and latitude that would work out to be?

How many weeks did You all Everybody stay at number one? Anyway, I think y'all see where I'm goingwith this. I think I'll try to copy it into a more appropriate thread so this one will stay on course (hahah no pun intended!!!) :)


I wouldn't be surprised if You All Everybody either maed a steady climb or a slow decent on the charts... Maybe jumped in at #4 then slow dropped down the chart. 8... 15... 16... 23... 42...

Since Charlie was able to capitize on it so well it must have been a hit for some time. I bet it was the overplayed song of the summer....you know that ONE song that gets played over and over and over and stays a hit for weeks on end (cough-theme from the Titanic-and 'I Will Always Love You' ) Last summer I kept hearing "The Reason' everywhere I went.

Wonder if it crossed over to the US or stayed a hit in the UK?* If it was a hit here for 4 / 8 weeks that's a major one hit.

Sorry..back to topic.

Now here's really showing your age there was a song back in the 60's called sugar sugar, I think it was by the Archie's it played all summer long, I got tense right now just thinking about it. I hate when they over playing good song, it makes me crazy when they overplay a bad song.

I checked the Qantas airline website and a direct flight from Sydney to Los Angeles take 13 hours and 25 minutes.* So the halfway point would be about 6 hours 42 minutes and 30 seconds.* Does anyone know how to figure out what longitude and latitude that would work out to be?


Some other numbers to help with the equation. It's 7,487 miles from Sydney to Los Angeles. If my calculations are correct the airspeed should be around 558MPH and they would have flown approx. 3350 miles prior to turning back. Math is definitely not my strong suit so can somebody better versed in math check these figures.

I did a full work up on the numbers, including maps, in this post
http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=9128.0

Some pretty interesting stuff

The biggest variable we have is that they turned around and headed back to Fiji. We don't know how far they flew after turning around or what path they took. We do know they were approximately 1,000 miles off course. Now is that from where they last had radio contact ?

The pilot said the lost communications 6 hrs into the flight. I wonder if this was part of the communication right before that happened. This is the Co-pilot reporting For Flight815 we are 16 degrees 23 minutes 42 seconds north............................................. .................................

That's when communications ended.


Great idea that the numbers could represent their position! I checked out the other thread, too, and I think sharpnfuzzy might have it nailed by using all the numbers to get the longitude and the latitude. If there's an island where no island should be, that could explain why they haven't been found yet.

Templeton

About cruising altitude, I remember on a flight to Italy it was between 30k and 36k most of the time. About the distance, echoing lostbylost, flight paths aren't straight lines.

I found this area to be of particular interest including the name.

http://www.wwfpacific.org.fj/phoenixbackground.htm


Take a look at the link I provided.

here is something i found interesting

The world’s busy air trafficcorridors pass overhundreds of volcanoes capable of sudden, explosive eruptions.
In the United States alone, aircraft carry many thousands of passengers and millions of dollars of cargo over volcanoes each day.Volcanic ash can be a serious hazard to aviation even thousands of miles from an eruption.
Airborne ash can diminish visibility, damage flight control systems, and cause jet engines to fail.
USGS and other scientists with the Alaska Volcano Observatory are playing a leading role in the international effort to reduce the risk posed to aircraft by volcanic eruptions.

link to the pdf file for this article
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/genrl_info/pdfs/usgsfs030_97_ash.pdf

A few different projections exist on where the survivors are. Here's mine:

Red line indicates actual course, green line indicates intended flight path.
http://www.geocities.com/mcmillerxxx/images/projection.JPG

On my projection the survivors are much closer to 16ºSOUTH than NORTH. All the projections (that I've seen) indicate that they're in the southern hemisphere.

I checked the Qantas airline website and a direct flight from Sydney to Los Angeles take 13 hours and 25 minutes.* So the halfway point would be about 6 hours 42 minutes and 30 seconds.* Does anyone know how to figure out what longitude and latitude that would work out to be?


Holy mole! This so jives!

I was thinking about the number, why put a set of number on the hatch thingy and then broadcast them over and over ... only answer I got was location.

So, off to Mapquest I went and I started looking into where that would put you in the world and after some experimenting I came up with:
Latitude: -4° 81 Min.5 Sec.
Longitude: 162° 34 Min. 2 Sec or Longitude: 162° 3 Min. 42 Sec
This puts you East of Papua New Guinea.

Then I searched the boards, figuring someone else must have thought of this, and they did:
http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=8734.0

But, not only that, they did a much better job than me. Here is what elfdream wrote:

By playing a bit with the numbers I got:
Latitude: 4° 8 Min.15 Sec.
Longitude: -162° 3 Min. 42 Sec.* *

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/stat115/map.gif


Why is this a better location than mine? Well, look at what the co-pilot and Daniel said:

Co-pilot said:
"6 hours in. Our radio went out, no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji, by the time we hit turbulence we were 1000 miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place."

And Daniel said:
"Our vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned. It was night, a storm, the sounds. The ship slammed into rocks, ran aground, the hull breached beyond repair...."
and
"Our ship picked up a transmission, a voice repeating those numbers. We changed course to investigate. After we shipwrecked my team continued to search for the transmission source. It was weeks before we found the radio tower. "

Then looking at this:
Tahiti: Latitude/Longitude 17° 52S, 149° 56W
Fiji: Latitude/Longitude 9º 43S, 159º 91E

I'm going with the numbers being location and with elfdream's location -- it is further out in the middle of nowhere, which just seems right. AND, it jives with what you found as well!

Hold on a sec, the numbers might be simpler than that

From Numbers:
Danielle [lowering her rifle]

Our ship picked up a transmission, a voice repeating those numbers. We changed course to investigate. After we shipwrecked my team continued to search for the transmission source. It was weeks before we found the radio tower.
Hurley

There's a radio tower on this island?

Danielle

Yes, up by the black rock. Some of us continued to search for the meaning of those numbers while we waited for rescue. But then the sickness came. When my team was gone, I went back up to the tower and changed the transmission.


Maybe when the instruments got messed up on the plane, the numbers from the tower were what they heard, and since it was the only broadcast coming across, THEY investigated the transmission as well on Flight 815. They had no instruments, so what else could they do??

Wasn't it already broadcasting Danielle's help message by then?* (According to her, anyway.)

The biggest variable we have is that they turned around and headed back to Fiji.* We don't know how far they flew after turning around or what path they took.* We do know they were approximately* 1,000 miles off course.* Now is that from where they last had radio contact ?


And:
1) the plane was 6 hours out -- about half way on a 12-13 flight.
2) the French Chick saying her ship was 3 days out of Tahiti.

Red line indicates actual course, green line indicates intended flight path.
http://www.geocities.com/mcmillerxxx/images/projection.JPG

On my projection the survivors are much closer to 16ºSOUTH than NORTH.* All the projections (that I've seen) indicate that they're in the southern hemisphere.


Excellant!

I am with you on this. I have been looking at the whole 16° N vs. S thing.

Great work including the 3 days out business.

Wasn't it already broadcasting Danielle's help message by then?* (According to her, anyway.)


Supposedly, but who knows?

Something has been brought up in discussion on some other threads that may pertain to our thread. When Jack was talking to the airline rep Chrissy she used the terminology No Latitude a couple times and Jack also repeated the line No Latitude. Could that have been a clue? what if the coordinates are something like 0 degrees 48 minutes 15 seconds by 162 degrees 34 mins 4 sec. now we are talking about it being on the equator and right at the international date line.

Thoughts anyone?

that no latitude comment stuck in my head as well another perfectly placed clue if you ask me

Now thats a great observation. I have always guessed they were on the equator (no latitude) but the international date line too? Good catch

In last night's episode Sayid told Shannon that they were near the equator. Promotes our theory even more.

In last night's episode Sayid told Shannon that they were near the equator.* Promotes our theory even more.


+/- 4° is near the equator. I still way the numbers are long and lat tot he location.

Someone picked that island as the place to set up that equipment (power source, cable, hatch-thing, broadcast tower and equipment).

For someone to pick a certian place, they have to have a reason to do it (i.e., conducive ectro-magnetic-something, remote, pretty black rock, etc.) AND they have to know where the place is. Now, it is possible that the island is not commonly known and may not be everyone's charts, but SOMEONE knows about it, and for someone to know about it, the island can not reside in some alternate plane of existance, it has a physical location on this planet (unless you are Purgatory-subscriber).

Now think about this. You are setting up equipment on an island in the middle of an ocean. You have this hatch-thingy and you put a number on it, then you set up power and cables and a broadcating tower from which you broadcast the SAME numbers out to the world. You do not scramble the signal, it is there anyone to hear that picks it up (I subscribe the idea of taking what is presented in the show more or less at face-value -- if they did not say the signal was scrambled, then there is no need to think it was, sure it could hvae been and they just did not mention it, but that's just annoying and the writers live to entertain us, not to annoy us). OK, so you PICKED this island, you set up all this equipment, you put a number on the equipment and you broadcast the number -- why?

Location or ID number to track, control, coordinate, and/or locate your equipment. This may also indicate that the equipment setup on this island also exists in other places.

+/- 4° is near the equator. I still way the numbers are long and lat tot he location.

Someone picked that island as the place to set up that equipment (power source, cable, hatch-thing, broadcast tower and equipment).

For someone to pick a certian place, they have to have a reason to do it (i.e., conducive ectro-magnetic-something, remote, pretty black rock, etc.) AND they have to know where the place is. Now, it is possible that the island is not commonly known and may not be everyone's charts, but SOMEONE knows about it, and for someone to know about it, the island can not reside in some alternate plane of existance, it has a physical location on this planet (unless you are Purgatory-subscriber).

Now think about this. You are setting up equipment on an island in the middle of an ocean. You have this hatch-thingy and you put a number on it, then you set up power and cables and a broadcating tower from which you broadcast the SAME numbers out to the world. You do not scramble the signal, it is there anyone to hear that picks it up (I subscribe the idea of taking what is presented in the show more or less at face-value -- if they did not say the signal was scrambled, then there is no need to think it was, sure it could hvae been and they just did not mention it, but that's just annoying and the writers live to entertain us, not to annoy us). OK, so you PICKED this island, you set up all this equipment, you put a number on the equipment and you broadcast the number -- why?

Location or ID number to track, control, coordinate, and/or locate your equipment. This may also indicate that the equipment setup on this island also exists in other places.

Now think about this!!!!!! You are setting up on an Island in the 1930-40"s no one knows you are there, as your experiment advances so does science in the outside world. You find a means to cloak your island to outside interference.

DO YOU USE IT?

Found the dates that the line was moved interesting : in 1845, 1867, and 1995. The site implies there could have been more.
Taken from* http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/international_date.html

The thought that the lostaways are stuck in between time is neat...it's not time travel (I know what the writers/creators said), but per se....they are not jumping forward to 2020 or backward to 1900...but always stuck between two days....I love it! They are somewhere and nowhere...they are LOST!!* *:D


Ummm... you forget, the date line is just an arbitrary line, it's placement means nothing, it could have been placed anywhere. There is no sciene to this, or even pseudo science.

I like it -- kind of like that place where you can stand on four states at once.* Even if the dateline is arbitrary it still defines time as we know it, and standing right on it would still put you in between time as we know it.

I like it -- kind of like that place where you can stand on four states at once.* Even if the dateline is arbitrary it still defines time as we know it, and standing right on it would still put you in between time as we know it.


yeah, I get it. I can not fully get into it as I have both feet firmly planted in "the numbers = location" camp.

I know that's more then likely going to get pulled out from under me, and I may change my mind before it gets disproved, but for now I'm sticking with it.

Now, is there was to make the two mess? I got two feet, so I'm open new ideas -- heck I got two hands too can twister can be fun! ;-)