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ozge
11-15-2007, 04:37 AM
Just dropping by to mention that Matt was seen joining the writers on the picket line in LA.

Go Foxy! :)

and why is that OT? this is a foxy/jack discussion thread right? and arent we allowed to talk about the foxy news here on this thread too?
i'm not posting much but its nice to hear that Foxy is supporting the writers and was seen joining the writers on the picket line... hopefully we can get a pic of him with darlton soon :)

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded
11-15-2007, 03:28 PM
Go Foxy! :)

and why is that OT? this is a foxy/jack discussion thread right?

It's not OT. And talking about where they might have filmed scenes involving Foxy/Jack would seem OT also. Even if it tangentially involves butterflies.

TSTID

Perdue
11-15-2007, 03:52 PM
It was the tangential butterflies that might have been considered off topic. Unless, of course, we can speculate that Matt's next tattoo should be of an endangered butterfly. :)

Hufflepuff
11-16-2007, 08:47 AM
I like that Foxy supports the writers.

Claudia815
11-16-2007, 02:19 PM
Previously on The Jack Show: we waddled through a lot of Jack-free filler. The Other 48 Days was great, but I need my main focus on the show, plskthxs.

The Jack Show Rewind: Collision. The One With The Butt Wiggling.

I have tried in vain to find The Butt Wiggling captured in a neverending loop in an animated avi. If you see JacksPatient lurking on the site, beg her to show you her work and you too shall get to marvel at it.

I love you, Ana Lucia's mom. You're Christian's good twin. I have a faint hope of seeing Capt. Teresa Cortez in someone's flashforward. I'd love to see her confront Michael for instance. Ana had big shoes to fill too in her career, but I don't think her mom was quite as stiffling as Christian was. She seems honest and has the guts to do what's needed for her daughter (as we find out later in the season).

Meanwhile, on Craphole Island, it's a sunny, breezy day and Dr. Jack is vailantly resisting yet another hussy assault (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Collision/Lost_2x08_Collision_0274-Ar.jpg). Looking fine there, by the way (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Collision/Lost_2x08_Collision_0293-Ar.jpg)... Rose (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/Collision/mmmmangoes.jpg) does her best not to pinch his cheeks, bless her heart... boy needs all the motherly love.

My favorite part of watching Jack getting his butt kicked by a girl? It's not the cheekiness and how flirty and relaxed Dr. Accuracy (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Collision/collision-cap110.jpg)is, although it is a rare and precious sight to see. It's not even said But Wiggling or the many other lovely visuals (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Collision/collision-cap182.jpg) the golf game offers. No. The part I find most endearing, hilarious, true to his character and also a big turn on (ahem :hypocrit: ) is how he SKIPS over the rocks in search of the trecherous ball, determined to play it no matter where it lands (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Collision/Lost_2x08_Collision_0564-Ar.jpg). He s(p)lays me! (TM Erica)

Of course, he's never allowed more than five minutes of fun and Mr.Eko shows up as the world's scariest caddy.

Things get emo from there on, culminating with the most beautiful, heartbreaking performance in the puppy eyes (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/Collision/upsetschnozz.jpg)' illustrious career.

Even if he feels so inadequate and left out, Jack reacts the same way he always did towards Kate's junior high drama. With class. He actually praises her for making Sawyer take his pill and tries a little self-deprecating joke, but he's really not in the mood (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/Collision/nose.jpg). (He's not so generous towards Sawyer in THP though :lol2:)

I'd rather not sit through What Kate Did again so I'll skip that and let you guys have at it, but I just needed to keep this one in mind (as well as Sawyer's love confession at the beginning of the next episode) because all too often I see people confused that Jack didn't feel comfortable with kissing another guy's girlfriend. (Yeah, he's an idiot, but I don't think he was ever a typical teenager. What does he know about these things?)

What really interests me about where Jack is at this time is his reunion with Ana Lucia (people from his near or distant past just have a habit of running into him on the island, don't they?) He sees Sayid carrying Shannon's lifeless body and here are these people added to the mix, because his job has been so easy up to this point. Do you think he was relieved that Ana was there? That there were more survivors?

Mr.Eko talks to Jack much in the same manner he talked to Desmond in Orientation:

EKO: Stop! Please. What do you want?

JACK: Excuse me?

EKO: Peace? Revenge? Justice? And you are going out with all these guns? What do you want?

JACK: I want all of our people back here safely.

This is something we've discussed in the general rewind, but I wanted to see what you guys thought. In Exodus, Ana jokingly suggests swapping tickets with Jack.

How do you think Jack would have functioned as the leader of the Tailies? (Keep in mind their conditions were much less fortunate than those on Lostie beach) Would he have lead them at all?

I'd forgotten that Jack has a scene with Michael in The 23rd Psalm (which I can rewatch as many times as I have to for it is much with the awesome). Also? More "Here I am being nice (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/The%2023rd%20Psalm/Lost_2x10_The23rdPsalm1211-Ar.jpg) when in fact I'm all fuming on the inside (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/The%2023rd%20Psalm/Lost_2x10_The23rdPsalm1210-Ar.jpg)" action in which he witnesses some more flirting after the girl in question ditched him in the jungle.

JACK: Hey, Michael.

MICHAEL: Hey.

JACK: How're you doing?

MICHAEL: I'm good, thanks.

JACK: You down here alone?

MICHAEL: Yeah, Hurley's supposed to be here, but, uh, I guess he's running late.

[Jack grabs a chair and sits down, but he can't see the monitor screen.]

JACK: Well, listen, uh, no one's forgotten about Walt.

MICHAEL: What?

JACK: I can't -- I don't have any idea what you must be going through, but I just want you to know that as soon as we can we're going to figure a way to go out and bring him back.

MICHAEL: Yeah, thanks, man. Thanks. [Michael looks toward the computer screen.]

JACK: You okay?

MICHAEL: Yeah, fine.

[Jack gets up and crosses behind Michael. We see that the screen is blank. Jack puts his hand on Michael's shoulder.]

JACK: Well, I'll leave you to it then.

When I said earlier that Sayid is the only person who Jack trusts (Kate was still in the club too, but her flightiness and all the added baggage puts them in anotehr category) and voices his concerns to, I'd forgotten about Michael. He's always been friends with Michael, on a more personal level than with Sayid and I think Jack admired him for trying to be a good dad to Walt.

Of course, Michael betrays him. I'm very curious to see if they cross paths again when Michael returns.

Next time, ie SATURDAY midnight EST on The Jack Show: :thud: :thud: :thud: :thud: :thud: That's all I gotta say.

Just A Button
11-16-2007, 08:15 PM
:unhappy: I missed the last rewind because I was on the road, and now I'm gonna miss this one because I'll be on a train. Hrmpf. I'll be with you in spirit, though ;)

freckles_shephard
11-17-2007, 04:18 AM
This is something we've discussed in the general rewind, but I wanted to see what you guys thought. In Exodus, Ana jokingly suggests swapping tickets with Jack.

How do you think Jack would have functioned as the leader of the Tailies? (Keep in mind their conditions were much less fortunate than those on Lostie beach) Would he have lead them at all?

I'd forgotten that Jack has a scene with Michael in The 23rd Psalm (which I can rewatch as many times as I have to for it is much with the awesome). Also? More "Here I am being nice (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/The%2023rd%20Psalm/Lost_2x10_The23rdPsalm1211-Ar.jpg) when in fact I'm all fuming on the inside (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/The%2023rd%20Psalm/Lost_2x10_The23rdPsalm1210-Ar.jpg)" action in which he witnesses some more flirting after the girl in question ditched him in the jungle.



When I said earlier that Sayid is the only person who Jack trusts (Kate was still in the club too, but her flightiness and all the added baggage puts them in anotehr category) and voices his concerns to, I'd forgotten about Michael. He's always been friends with Michael, on a more personal level than with Sayid and I think Jack admired him for trying to be a good dad to Walt.

Of course, Michael betrays him. I'm very curious to see if they cross paths again when Michael returns.

Next time, ie SATURDAY midnight EST on The Jack Show: :thud: :thud: :thud: :thud: :thud: That's all I gotta say.


I'll try to make the chat but not sure I'll be able to. It'll be early hours of Sunday morning here.

I had a Foxy sighting the other day, here's two (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c313/madaleen/15-11-07_1830.jpg) pics (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c313/madaleen/15-11-07_1831.jpg) it's not very good quality though I took it with my cellphone. It was in a store at the cosmetics. Some L'Oreal ads.

iorwen
11-17-2007, 09:50 AM
Can I just vent for a moment? I pick up People Magazine's sexiest men issue and NO FOXY!!! No Lost boys actually, who picks these men anyway? :mad:

workingmom
11-17-2007, 08:24 PM
Can I just vent for a moment? I pick up People Magazine's sexiest men issue and NO FOXY!!! No Lost boys actually, who picks these men anyway? :mad: Morons, it seems. No offense to the Boston boy.
Foxy, Josh and DKK were in the top 100 teaser but apparently it's out of sight, out of mind for magazine editors.

I forgot to do my homework:
How do you think Jack would have functioned as the leader of the Tailies? (Keep in mind their conditions were much less fortunate than those on Lostie beach) Would he have lead them at all?

I think Jack would have functioned much the same, assuming the role of reluctant leader because one is needed for everyone to survive, plain and simple. I doubt the tiger pit would have been dug, though.
Then the real question is, how would the Fusies have fared without Jack? With Ana Lucia there instead? I think it's that It's a Wonderful Life scenario that someone - Hildy? - laid out. Maybe Rose would have been resuscitated, since AL knows CPR too, and I bet Ana does swim too so Boone probably would have survived to be that sacrifice the island demanded. And let's see....Ana and Sawyer would have hooked up much earlier, after much sparring, and diverted Sawyer's attention from Kate, since there was no competition with the alpha male, and perhaps that unexplored romance between Kate and Sayid would have taken hold.... and Jack could have had Bernard stitch him up since he must have had rudimatary stitching training as a dentist...
the possibilities are endless... :eek2:

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 12:00 AM
Welcome to our third live rewind party. Tonight, The Hunting Party: The One Where We :thud: A Lot

I have a special guest for our rewind tonight: my best friend who has never seen this part of season two.

Yasy, I tried to wake you up but you're not online. WAKE UP! :toot:

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 12:04 AM
You know I actually forgot about how the island story started. Jack waking up, yummy. I love how Jack runs his hand over his hair. It makes me WANT to do that.

Then we have crazy Michael, who looks seriously, crazed.

Now Jack is taking care of Locke. Locke's a lucky dog. "You what"

"Good thinkin' John"

Now Jack seemed a bit miffed that Michael "pulled a gun on me". His betrayals are just beginning Jack. Watch your back around Michael.

I did love Sawyer's line to Jack "It's a good thing I'm traveling with my doctor then."

Hello Hello Hello, Jack stripping. (Too bad he wasn't in the scene with Sarah (ick ick) the same way as the Lead actor in "Love During the Time of Cholera." - We'd all be very happy Hussys')

Jack what are you doin' wearing white boxers. You know Navy boxers would look much better on your beautiful..... :4:

That look that :sick: Sarah gave him when she told him about the possible pregnancy. And now knowing even more about Sarah from other eppys, makes me want to boot her to a galaxy far far away. :stormtroo :naboo2:

Ok, so Jack's nerves are a little bit shot where Kate is concerned. And I think I would have had the same type reaction that Kate had to Jack being a bit "hossy" with me. I think I would have gotten a bit stubborn and wanted to do just the opposite of what he demanded. Jack just didn't have the time to explain why "you aren't comin' " *avoids comment about that line* And sometimes, a girl just has to know why her guy is saying and doing what he does .... Smell the roses girlie, he's hurting Kate. *pets Jack* I feel for Kate too there though. She's more confused than anyone right now.

Oh Jack, you are so jealous sweetie. "Yeah, I know, you love her..." Poor clueless Sawyer. He must have been thinking Jack had a bit of PMS happening. Sawyer, is great at delivering funny lines, when they aren't all the overdone nicknames like we got in S3. The favorite leaf line is classic. Snark at its finest. Of course, Jack is at his finest. Sweaty. Toting a gun. That key around his neck. Can you lick a key off someone? :angel:

Choosing Jack!

shoe

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 12:11 AM
You know I actually forgot about how the island story started. Jack waking up, yummy.

I forgot too. He's actually waking up from a nightmare, I think... If he were dreaming of Gabriela, he'd have a huge smile on his face.

I love how Jack runs his head over his hair. It makes me WANT to do that.

To him. I had the perfect mystic icon for that. I'll find it later.

For now... Let us observe something.

Best father (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/daddyschnozz.jpg)/son (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/THP.jpg)casting. EVER (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/daddyissues.jpg). (The Schnozz is hereditary... :3:)

Forever_Erica
11-18-2007, 12:15 AM
I'm HERE! I'm here! I'm just admiring the view!


Erica

workingmom
11-18-2007, 12:18 AM
Hurley and Jin have the greatest charade understanding scenes, don't they? Here it's "like your hat, dude" as Hurley points to his own brow and Jin rolls his eyes. Before, in WKD, Hurley gives Jin the thumbs-up after Sun turns away during their break from the tent'o'reunion. And of course the "pee on it!" pantomime that is side-splitting.

A Locke classic line: "Who are we to tell anyone what they can or can't do?"

But it's a good question - what if they had caught up to Michael before he'd found Walt and he didnt' want to come back with them? What would have happened?

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 12:23 AM
I wonder how it's possible to have missed this before (I blame the lust-filled brain), but I see it clearly now... Christian actually leaves the room as if to say: "I'm washing my hands of this" after Angelo and his gorgeous daughter tell him to step back cause they're not in town for his show.

He's a little taken aback at first, then sees the change in Jack (Gabriela's fluttering eyelashes help methinks) and probably thinks he's done his best to avoid disaster, let him live with his choice... Might be a little miffed too. Just a tad.



A Locke classic line: "Who are we to tell anyone what they can or can't do?"

But it's a good question - what if they had caught up to Michael before he'd found Walt and he didnt' want to come back with them? What would have happened?

They would have at least tried to reason with him. I'm not saying it would have worked, but I understand that Jack wouldn't want to bear the guilt of "what if". Maybe Michael would have elaborated on why it needs to be ONLY him and reveal his AIM chats from the hatch. This is like alternative history.

banshee
11-18-2007, 12:24 AM
I'm here too :wavey:...just had to jump over a few piles to get to the DVD player.

For now... Let us observe something.

Best father (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/daddyschnozz.jpg)/son (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/THP.jpg)casting. EVER (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/daddyissues.jpg). (The Schnozz is hereditary... :3:)Yep, in casting John Terry won by a nose. :4:

How I love my dysfunctional Shephards...I just got a chance to watch the mobisode and now HP. It's too much goodness in one sitting.

workingmom
11-18-2007, 12:25 AM
How does he do that (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/3/huntingpartycap346.jpg) - with his eyes? :thud:

ETA: Banshee! :group:

More great Hurley in this ep: that Libby chick - she's kinda cute....in an "I've been terrorized by the Others for 40 days" kinda way.

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 12:29 AM
How does he do that (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/3/huntingpartycap346.jpg) - with his eyes? :thud:

WHAT are you doing to me??? :thud:

:roflmao: at Locke's eye exam. Give him a push, Locke, the view would be worth it! What kind of supreme hussy are you, dude?

Forever_Erica
11-18-2007, 12:30 AM
Everyone is so much more ahead of me it's ridiculous. I'm still in the very first scene in the conference room. God help me lol.

BANSHEE! *waves excitedly*

Erica

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 12:33 AM
Catch up, Erica! Jack's getting lonely in his bunk... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/mmmsplayness.jpg)


JACK: You going to shoot me, Michael?!
MICHAEL: No, but I'll shoot your damn computer


Tell me something... how is that a big threat for JACK? I get why Locke would be terrified...

workingmom
11-18-2007, 12:37 AM
Jack practices his Crazy Eyes At The Others (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/6/huntingpartycap616.jpg) look on Zeke. It comes in handy in the next season.

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 12:40 AM
I forgot too. He's actually waking up from a nightmare, I think... If he were dreaming of Gabriela, he'd have a huge smile on his face.



To him. I had the perfect mystic icon for that. I'll find it later.

For now... Let us observe something.

Best father (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/daddyschnozz.jpg)/son (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/THP.jpg)casting. EVER (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/daddyissues.jpg). (The Schnozz is hereditary... :3:)


Well, he may not be in People's Sexiest Men alive issue. Stupid People people. But if they wanted to have a sexy snoz category. He should win, and yes, John Terry's is pretty sexy too. They did cast well for Christian. John Terry and Matthew Fox have amazing chemistry together don't they?

*waves madly at Banshee, Mom, & Erica*


This is fun Clauds.

workingmom
11-18-2007, 12:43 AM
When I first saw the ep I was confused as to Sarah saying "I've been seeing someone." I thought it could be another man or a therapist, as in "I've been seeing someone for my anxiety attacks." And Jack didn't visibly react till she said "...someone else" either. Maybe in the dailies (the day's raw film) it seemed confusing without the clarification so they put it in.

Another plotline that never amounted to anything: training an army.

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 12:46 AM
I'm experience great concentration difficulties here... cause usually I hit Pause and type but this time... I just... can't... :thud:

Best Friend just laughed out loud at Jack being so snippy to Sawyer: "Why don't you go see if I hurt her feelings." :24:

Jack practices his Crazy Eyes At The Others (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/6/huntingpartycap616.jpg) look on Zeke. It comes in handy in the next season.

Am I the only one who adds mental notes to all of Tom's lines now? "Nobody's going to hurt you, Jack... " [to himself] "You sweet, sweet, piece of :censored:"

Well, he may not be in People's Sexiest Men alive issue. Stupid People people. But if they wanted to have a sexy snoz category. He should win.

Oh, he's already top of our list... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/huntingpartycap395.jpg)

Forever_Erica
11-18-2007, 12:46 AM
Catch up, Erica! Jack's getting lonely in his bunk... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/mmmsplayness.jpg)

I'm coming.....all this HOTNESS is blinding me.

Erica

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 12:47 AM
Another plotline that never amounted to anything: training an army.

Can't really do it without the guns. And Sawyer stole the guns. Then Fenry and the mindfraking began and suddenly there were other priorities.

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 12:53 AM
You know, I am reminded again, with Locke's line to Jack, "Where are you goin' Jack?" of what a fabulous push and pull Jack and Locke had in S2. The tension and battle between these two men was just so ridculously wonderful. Now at the end of S3, Locke is just so crazy that I don't think it has quite the same dynamic that existed in S2.

Hey button boy, hold a mirror up to your bald headed face when you talk about "he might be passed listening to reason". You're crazier than Michael, and without the excuse of missing WAAAAALLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTT.


You know, I like Gabriella's line to Jack,, "Even if you don't succeed, at least your giving us a chance." To me, that is the story of Jack and the LOSTIES. He's working so hard at giving them all a chance to survive and make it off that damn island.

workingmom
11-18-2007, 12:58 AM
Locke got to witness Jack's ability to call a bluff way before the poker game. Back in the armory, Jack doesn't back down while Michael's aiming the rifle at him, and instead meets him head on: "Are you gonna shoot me, Michael?"

The TTLG scene then brought together Jack facing down a so-called friend behind a gun barrel, and Locke repeating the scene from his pot-farm flashback with Eddie, where he couldn't shoot a friend But he had no trouble killing a woman whose only crime was to bring a chance of rescue to the island. Matter of fact, Michael had no problem killing two innocent women either.

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 01:01 AM
Locke got to witness Jack's ability to call a bluff way before the poker game. Back in the armory, Jack doesn't back down while Michael's aiming the rifle at him, and instead meets him head on: "Are you gonna shoot me, Michael?"

The TTLG scene then brought together Jack facing down a so-called friend behind a gun barrel, and Locke repeating the scene from his pot-farm flashback with Eddie, where he couldn't shoot a friend But he had no trouble killing a woman whose only crime was to bring a chance of rescue to the island.

*am not worthy*

Fabulous observation Mom!

Hey, why do ya'll think Christian was so adamant that Jack wouldn't nee, couldn't, cross that line with Gabriella?

workingmom
11-18-2007, 01:03 AM
Am I the only one who adds mental notes to all of Tom's lines now? "Nobody's going to hurt you, Jack... " [to himself] "You sweet, sweet, piece of :censored:"

Yeah, I was thinking, it's dark now, but wait till Tom gets to observe him for a while in the fishtank...then he'll be a little more conciliatory. :rolleyes:

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 01:03 AM
On another Locke note... He's once again poking Jack to find out his deeper motivations: "Where are YOU going, Jack?" He's constantly seizing him up. Not just that way... ;)

Forever_Erica
11-18-2007, 01:05 AM
Great discussion folks! I got to mention one thing that I noticed though. When Gabriela asked "Have you changed your mind Jack?" Jack answers "No....NO" The emphasis that he made on his answer was interesting.

This is something that I posted during the LIVE rewind of MOS/MOF:

Christian surprises me in this episode. He, of all people, is trying to actually instill some hope and faith in Jack, someone who he has intricately molded into one of the best surgeons in the region, in a 'just the facts ma'am' mindset. It’s a bit ironic that in THP, when Gabriela pleads to Jack that he should just ‘try’ to help her father, the way that he helped Sarah, Christian looks to be completely against Jack even attempting to give Gabriela and her father the slightest glimmer of hope, no matter how ‘false’ that hope is. Okay, so Jack is supposed to give Sarah hope, but he's not allowed to give a dying man and his daughter some hope in their situation, in Christian's words, "...even if there's a 99 percent possibility that they're utterly, hopelessly screwed..." Seems a bit uneven to me.

Whenever I watch that scene, I still get the feeling that Christian is being a hypocrite. He told Jack that faith is all they need and yet he writes this man off. I get that there were medical implications behind it, but it was interesting. When Christian said, "Your father isn't looking for a medical procedure, he's looking for a miracle" and that the word miracle, Jack lifts his head and looks at his father with a look at I can't read at the moment.

I'm still FAR behind. Sorry guys. :redface:

Erica

workingmom
11-18-2007, 01:06 AM
Hey, why do ya'll think Christian was so adamant that Jack wouldn't nee, couldn't, cross that line with Gabriella?

I think Christian really did want Jack to be a better man than he was. And I guess he did approve of Sarah, now that we've seen the watch mobisode to confirm that a little more. But his hypocrisy in saying "It may be OK for some people [like myself], Jack" is truly repellent.

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 01:08 AM
Hey, why do ya'll think Christian was so adamant that Jack wouldn't nee, couldn't, cross that line with Gabriella?

Oh, good question... I don't know... Does he think that unlike Daddy, Jack will not be able to live with himself once he crosses that "line"? He so busts them by the way... "I'll come check on you before I scrub in..." Hmm. That's some excellent bedside manner there, Dr.Studmuffin. :naughty:

I think that's also the reason he walks away from the room once Jack decides he will try to give Gabriela her miracle. He knows trying is not enough for Jack. And it's probably the same reason why he tried to make sure Gabriela left without seeing Jack. I guess he was trying to prevent them from licking each other's wounds. Dammit... And I was trying so hard... :angelnot:

workingmom
11-18-2007, 01:12 AM
Great discussion folks! I got to mention one thing that I noticed though. When Gabriela asked "Have you changed your mind Jack?" Jack answers "No....NO" The emphasis that he made on his answer was interesting.

This is something that I posted during the LIVE rewind of MOS/MOF:
Christian surprises me in this episode. He, of all people, is trying to actually instill some hope and faith in Jack, someone who he has intricately molded into one of the best surgeons in the region, in a 'just the facts ma'am' mindset. It’s a bit ironic that in THP, when Gabriela pleads to Jack that he should just ‘try’ to help her father, the way that he helped Sarah, Christian looks to be completely against Jack even attempting to give Gabriela and her father the slightest glimmer of hope, no matter how ‘false’ that hope is. Okay, so Jack is supposed to give Sarah hope, but he's not allowed to give a dying man and his daughter some hope in their situation, in Christian's words, "...even if there's a 99 percent possibility that they're utterly, hopelessly screwed..." Seems a bit uneven to me.


Whenever I watch that scene, I still get the feeling that Christian is being a hypocrite. He told Jack that faith is all they need and yet he writes this man off. I get that there were medical implications behind it, but it was interesting. When Christian said, "Your father isn't looking for a medical procedure, he's looking for a miracle" and that the word miracle, Jack lifts his head and looks at his father with a look at I can't read at the moment.

I'm still FAR behind. Sorry guys. :redface:

Erica That's a really good observation, Erica. I think Christian is feeling a little professional jealousy of Jack, especially after they say that they didn't come here for you, (Dr. Christian), they came here for Jack - precisely because he had performed a miracle.
Careful what you wish for, Christian!

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 01:16 AM
Gabriella is a lucky lucky girl. :kiss:

I wish that scene had been lit just a tiny bit more. the better to see his lips in action. :biggrin:

workingmom
11-18-2007, 01:16 AM
Did you know that turning up the brightness control all the way up helps a lot in, erm, analyzing the goodbye scene with Gabriella? ;)

Forever_Erica
11-18-2007, 01:18 AM
That's a really good observation, Erica. I think Christian is feeling a little professional jealousy of Jack, especially after they say that they didn't come here for you, (Dr. Christian), they came here for Jack - precisely because he had performed a miracle.
Careful what you wish for, Christian!

Thanks Mom. :biggrin:

Hey, why do ya'll think Christian was so adamant that Jack wouldn't nee, couldn't, cross that line with Gabriella?

Hey, "like father, NOT like son" is basically what Christian is saying. It's within Christian to cheat, but it's not within Jack and I agree. Christian knows his son and he knows his limits and what he'll do and what he won't do (but Jack threw him for a loop in ATBCHDI, that's for sure). When Christian said "It may be okay for some people, Jack. But not for YOU" I just think that Jack took great offense/annoyance in that, just like he did when Locke asks "Where are YOU going Jack?" I just think ultimately that Christian was just showing his jealousy in that scene. Gabi and her father travel far and wide for JACK, not the surgical TEAM, but for Jack, and Jack alone, like you all already mentioned.

Erica

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 01:20 AM
Gabriella is a lucky lucky girl. :kiss:

Well, she does go after what she wants...

"I'm thorough"

"I'm thorough too..."

I liked that she told him it was OK to fail. That she just wanted him to try and when he couldn't be a miracle worker, she still wanted him.

I wish that scene had been lit just a tiny bit more. the better to see his lips in action. :biggrin:

I kinda like the darkness... it makes everything more... erotic (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/huntingpartycap494.jpg). And it makes THE Shirt stand out more. ;)

And I guess he did approve of Sarah, now that we've seen the watch mobisode to confirm that a little more. But his hypocrisy in saying "It may be OK for some people [like myself], Jack" is truly repellent.

Oh, he did like Sarah, we've known that for a while. I don't know... this is pretty much in line with what I expect from him. He means well, but he's... well... he's just being himself. Do you think that's what made Jack not give in to Gabriela's advances, even though he was attracted to her?

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 01:21 AM
Did you know that turning up the brightness control all the way up helps a lot in, erm, analyzing the goodbye scene with Gabriella? ;)

I'm watching on I-Tunes tonight.... Does it have a brightness control? LOL... Good Hussy advice to go with the good observations.

Hey, when "Zeke" says "Why don't you point the gun down." to Sawyer, he sounds like Tom panicking a bit. I will so so so miss Tom next season. Sawyer needs a big ole kick in the pants for killing him.

After the posturing Sawyer is nicked in the neck by the Others, I love that Jack physcially pulls Sawyer out of the path of more bullets.

The line that should have been said, "Just sit down Jack, nobody's going to hurt you. Especially not me, you burning hunk of love." -- Zeke, Mr. Friendly, aka Tom.

Wasn't there supposed to be some major clue about the Geronimo Jackson album too? Did that go anywhere other than the kids t-shirt in Locke's flashback? Geronimo Jackson translates to "Holy Son of Jack" btw. I remember getting all excited about that way back when....

workingmom
11-18-2007, 01:22 AM
Dammit... And I was trying so hard... :angelnot:
Behave, young lady! :angry:


I forget - when Locke went into Ben's little bungalow in Othersville, did he help himself to the chicken in the fridge or did Ben offer it to him? I bet he helped himself just to spite Tom from this fireside scene.

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 01:29 AM
How much do I love the way the confrontation with Tom was shot? I love it a lot. At the end there, when Jack asks Kate if she's OK... he sounds so defeated. He steps back and can't look at her and rubs his hand over his eyes. He really is sorry too, but I think he's sorry he's made himself so vulnerable, even though his feelings aren't something he can control.

workingmom
11-18-2007, 01:29 AM
In his little conversation with Kate in TTLG about he and Sawyer both wanting to protect her by not wanting her to come along on missions, he might as well have added this one, because that was clearly his reason in saying "You're Not. Coming." As well as avoiding the oh-so-awkwardness of having the whole love triangle out there together right after the events of Collision and WKD, with Locke there to make pointed observations. :biggrin:

Sawyer, pointed observer that he is, tells Kate the first time "don't beat yourself up" about Jack. He tells her that again on the way back from the hydra island to the beach - "I know you only did it because you thought I was a dead man. So don't beat yourself up that the Doc's left behind."

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 01:41 AM
In his little conversation with Kate in TTLG about he and Sawyer both wanting to protect her by not wanting her to come along on missions, he might as well have added this one, because that was clearly his reason in saying "You're Not. Coming." As well as avoiding the oh-so-awkwardness of having the whole love triangle out there together right after the events of Collision and WKD, with Locke there to make pointed observations. :biggrin:

Ok, I"m starting to get tired Mom. Instead of quoting you, I just about reported your post. LOL. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

You are so right. Here again, Kate didn't step back and think about why Jack might not want her along on the hike. He didn't want her hurt. I agree. He also knows she was completely exausted only a day or so earlier.

Kate was only thinking about how Jack would react to her being kidnapped. Sawyer was fawning all over her after Zeke/Tom let her go, but her eyes, and her concern about his reaction, was towards Jack and Jack alone.

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 01:42 AM
I forget - when Locke went into Ben's little bungalow in Othersville, did he help himself to the chicken in the fridge or did Ben offer it to him? I bet he helped himself just to spite Tom from this fireside scene.

He helped himself, obviously. :LockeOranges: No, he didn't. :doh:

In his little conversation with Kate in TTLG about he and Sawyer both wanting to protect her by not wanting her to come along on missions, he might as well have added this one, because that was clearly his reason in saying "You're Not. Coming." As well as avoiding the oh-so-awkwardness of having the whole love triangle out there together right after the events of Collision and WKD, with Locke there to make pointed observations. :biggrin:

He has my full blessing to tell her to stfu. I'm sorry, he just does. Best Friend is asking me cause she's confused: "Wait... so she's playing golf and flirting with Jack, then being all dotting girlfriend to Sawyer, then dumps him on the floor, kisses Jack and leaves him looking at him like he tried to rape her... then she runs to Sawyer and then tries to be Mrs.Jack again? Wha???" Welcome to my world.

I haven't said a single word to her about Sarah, I swear. I have to ask her what she thinks about her. :lol2:

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 01:48 AM
Best Shirt Ever. Washing dishes by hand is therapeutic to me too Jack baby.
Let's wash some together later. ;)

Why did Sarah even pretend to look hurt when Jack tells her that Gabriella kissed him? Especially if she's having an affair herself. And, she even sounds a bit peevy and jealous when she asks about "the daughter". :confused:

Forever_Erica
11-18-2007, 01:51 AM
I'm DONE watching. Talk about a LATE bloomer lol.

I just thought of something that I have never thought of before when watching this episode, which is one of my FAVORITES. Christian says to Jack, "Careful. There's a line, son. You know it's there. And pretending it's not -- that would be a mistake" in reference to Jack's compassion towards Gabriela. Basically boundaries have to be set, demarcated, and acknowledged. I think that when Gabriela kissed Jack saw that line for the first time and knew not to cross it. Yes, he kissed her back and he fell into it, became vulnerable right along with her, and right then he knew what Chrisitian was talking about, about how "It may be okay for some people, Jack. But not for you."

On the Island, Jack is FINALLY face to face with one of the Others. They both want something: Jack wants his friend back and 'Zeke' wants them to stop being so 'curious' about everything. And then once 'Zeke' pulls Kate out of the bushes, that's when Jack is losing it, his vulnerability and fear is seeping through. He knows that he has a decision to make. Does he just go home or does he fight? Is he going to let that vulnerability show? Is he going to let them see his weak spot? Well, he had to give in or he would have watched Kate die. He had to walk away, like he didn't do when Gabriela asked him for his help, he had to try, but he failed and that just broke him. But then 'Zeke' says "We've got a misunderstanding, Jack -- you're people, my people. So listen carefully. Right here there's a line. You cross that line, we go from misunderstanding to something else. Now give me your weapons, turn around, go home."

As you can see, there's this 'line' motif in this episode. If Jack walks away now, if he doesn't cross that line, things will happen in certain ways, but if he does cross that line, then things occur in a different way. Gabriela kissed him and he kissed her back and he knew it was wrong, but it happened out of his own volition, and then he backed away from that line when he said "I can't" and walked away. On the Island, he has the opportunity to walk away, and that's the only alternative he has. Christian tells him that he can't cross that line, that it's not okay for HIM to do it. He couldn't sit there and watch Kate die, that's not okay for him, so again, he backs away from that line of demarcation from his camp and the Others (but not for long...as evidenced by "SOS"), just like he has to find that line between doctor and patient (or patient's daughter, whichever you prefer).

Jack's life, in my humble opinion, has been held back by certain 'lines', certain expectations from the people around him. If Chrisitan doesn't define a line, then Margo does it. If not Margo then Sarah. I just want the lines to go away, because Jack has been held back for too long.

I don't know if that made sense or not. It's late folks, and I have been studying nonstop for HOURS just to be here. But all in all, I LOVE me some Jack! ;)

*waves madly at Banshee, Mom, & Erica*


Oh noes! I forgot to say HI to SHOE! *waves happily at Shoe*

Erica

shoegirl
11-18-2007, 01:58 AM
I like that Jack was Snarky with Anna. Made a new friend.

I like even more the glimpse of his inside tattoo (it doesn't appear to frequently in scenes), just those hints of stars scattered down his arm. Meant to encourage Foxhussys to dream about them.... :hypocrit:

Speaking of dreaming. That was an awesome episode. When the writers pick up their pencils again, we need a few more like that one. The first LOST viewing party I hosted was this episode. It will always hold a special place in my heart as one of my favorite eppys of the series. And of course, there is "teh shirt".

Ya'll have a good evening. This was great. Clauds, thanks for getting us all together to watch Dr. Sexy Delicious.

I Choose Jack!

:kiss: shoe

banshee
11-18-2007, 02:01 AM
no worries Erica I'm even further behind than you...and I'm not nearly as coherent.

ETA: Banshee! :group:

BANSHEE! *waves excitedly**waves madly at Banshee, Mom, & Erica**squishes to you all*

You know, I like Gabriella's line to Jack,, "Even if you don't succeed, at least your giving us a chance." To me, that is the story of Jack and the LOSTIES. He's working so hard at giving them all a chance to survive and make it off that damn island.well said shoes :)

Jack practices his Crazy Eyes At The Others (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/6/huntingpartycap616.jpg) look on Zeke. It comes in handy in the next season.That grin creeped me out a little because it was the first time I could see Foxy playing a serial killer. :eek2: I loved though how it borderlined on completely crazy and total fearlessness.

I think that's also the reason he walks away from the room once Jack decides he will try to give Gabriela her miracle. He know trying is not enough for Jack. And it's probably the same reason why he tried to make sure Gabriela left without seeing Jack. I guess he was trying to prevent them from licking each other's wounds. Dammit... And I was trying so hard... what a minx :kiss:

Folks have already brilliantly said what I was thinking, so I'll conserve my strength for the discussion q's :flex:

*goes to play with the brightness control knob*

shmyshmy
11-18-2007, 02:06 AM
Can I just vent for a moment? I pick up People Magazine's sexiest men issue and NO FOXY!!! No Lost boys actually, who picks these men anyway? :mad:

Yes, I was ready to pay for it and I looked at it and couldn't find him and I was :mad: and like you said the other Lost boys weren't there so I just left it at the store :redface:

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 02:09 AM
Best Shirt Ever.

Partime surgeon. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/parttimesurgeon.jpg)

Partime model. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/parttimemodel.jpg)

Fulltime Sexgod. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/noImtheprettiest.jpg)

Washing dishes by hand is therapeutic to me too Jack baby.
Let's wash some together later. ;)

Fatal Attraction style? Ahem. I swear, the first time I saw him pull up his sleeves and say that he finds doing dishes relaxing, my poor fangirl heart just about burst open. I do that! I've always done that! :thud: Clearly, Cluck is just... meant to be. :biggrin:

Why did Sarah even pretend to look hurt when Jack tells her that Gabriella kissed him? Especially if she's having an affair herself. And, she even sounds a bit peevy and jealous when she asks about "the daughter". :confused:

Because she was jealous and hurt. Sleeping with another man and the fact that if she actually got pregnant she wouldn't have known whose baby it was did not stop her from feeling hurt because Jack did not want to have kids with her, given the state of their marriage. Didn't stop her from making him feel guilty about it either.

Forever_Erica
11-18-2007, 02:30 AM
Is it just me or did anyone else want to dunk Sarah's head into that dishwater and hold tight until she stopped kicking? Because I did. I want to drown her and then drown her some more.

I don't believe this woman. I'm just so....ARGH! She is the most unfeeling person I have ever seen displayed on television (she beats the mannequins in those car insurance commercials in my book). I just hate how JUDGMENTAL she is towards Jack when she's been doing her own thing on the side for MONTHS upon months and Jack still has no clue. Jack walks in and is obviously tired, worn out and she says "How was it?" Like she's not about to drop the atomic bomb right on top of his head. Jack tells her about the kiss and BAM, she drops the sponge and shuts the water off as if she's about to go find Gabi and do some damage. THE NERVE I tell you! Jack is just pleading for a second chance, he's so torn up about KISSING another woman, but she's been screwing around for months and yet she feels no remorse about it. Yeah, there are some crocidile tears here and there, but that doesn't faze me one bit.

She's there washing dishes with him, and what was she going to do after that? Once Jack went to sleep, sneak out? Be a WOMAN Sarah! OMG. I can't ever understand her. I can't. I just don't get her pompous attitude towards someone who is trying the best he can and had the PERFECT opportunity to cheat but didn't and she's been bed-hopping for awhile and hasn't said a word. Find a :censored: conscience Sarah! My god.

Someone restrain me from killing Sarah, because if she shows up to remind Jack of how he thinks that he 'doesn't matter' one more time, I'm going to have to do something more drastic than having her drown in the kitchen sink. Any requests?

Erica

Franci
11-18-2007, 03:07 AM
Missed.AGAIN
I couldn't wake up at 6 am,fogive me..! :shakehead:
I usually wake up at 3/4 AM when a new eppy is on and I don't even need the bell,it's a natural thing,my brain knows it.. newjackisairing!newjackisairing! and I wake up, but it doesn't work with old eppys (even the ones of indecent (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Season2/2x11%20-%20The%20Hunting%20Party/115.jpg) sexiness (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Season2/2x11%20-%20The%20Hunting%20Party/huntingpartycap791.jpg) ...)

anyway,great covo guys,I've read everything :clap: this is one of my favorite episodes.Oh Jack & Gaby. for once I ranted toward committedtoeverything Jack.He should have thrown the girl in the car and.. *cough* yeah I know,it wouldn't have been Jack-ish still... *le sigh* I wish we'd seen more fo those two.

Erica,in reguard to Sarah there's no excuse for her.she's just evil.that's it.I hope she'll stay away from jack's FB and especially from his FF!

A special *smack* to Bansh.you're missed girl!

banshee
11-18-2007, 07:37 AM
Morning Foxes :fox:


It feels good to say that again :)

Professor Claud asked that I please gather all the q's posed by our astute rewind students into one post, as well as try to add some.

Having just rewatched the ep in full I still have thoughts swirling in my head. Thus I will just put the questions up we have so far & edit as things come to me.


Hunting Party Q Summary

1. What if they had caught up to Michael before he'd found Walt and he didnt' want to come back with them? What would have happened? (by workingmom)

2. Why do you think Christian was so adamant that Jack wouldn't, couldn't, cross that line with Gabriella? (by shoegirl)

3. Why did Sarah even pretend to look hurt when Jack tells her that Gabriella kissed him? Especially if she's having an affair herself. And, she even sounds a bit peevy and jealous when she asks about "the daughter". (by shoegirl)

4.
And I guess he did approve of Sarah, now that we've seen the watch mobisode to confirm that a little more. But his hypocrisy in saying "It may be OK for some people [like myself], Jack" is truly repellent.

Oh, he did like Sarah, we've known that for a while. I don't know... this is pretty much in line with what I expect from him. He means well, but he's... well... he's just being himself. Do you think that's what made Jack not give in to Gabriela's advances, even though he was attracted to her?

*I put these questions in an easier format (noting who asked them) so you could just quote me and not have to c&p them all.


ETA:

New Q's

In the TTLG Flashforwards, we see a pregnant Sarah and a lost, struggling Jack trying to fix things.

5. How would you characterize the differences/similarities b/w the TTLG FF's and HP Flashbacks? I.e where Jack's life is, his relationship with Sarah, and his state of being emotionally, mentally, & psychologically.

Something I never noticed before (:doh:) is that in HP, Jack demands Christian tell him where Gabriella is.."Where is she, where is she?!"..which closely resembles how he did the same with Locke..."Where's Kate, where's Kate?!".

This caused me to ponder the parallels b/w the two scenes. As well as re-examine the HP scenes with respect to the Jack/Christian and Jack/Locke relationships. Having said that..

6. In what ways do you think Locke and his scenes with Jack, mirrored or foiled Christian and his scenes w/Jack in HP?

7. If Christian had not been consulted on this case, and Gabriella/her father had only met with Jack, do you think Jack would have gone ahead w/the surgery? Why or why not?


I think that's quite a bit so I'll stop there. Answer at your leisure and please don't feel obligated to tackle them all.

A special *smack* to Bansh.you're missed girl! Fran! :hug: So good to see you...Aw I missed everyone too and look, we even have a mountain goat smiley now :goat1: lol.

btw :Welcome: BunnyNumber 8 and any other new members. I'll get you official F.O.X. numbers as soon as I make sure I have all the latest requests.

Claudia815
11-18-2007, 12:37 PM
Holy :censored:, we have a goat smilie???

When my brain gets the caffeine it needs, I'll get back to you, Bansh.

Is it just me or did anyone else want to dunk Sarah's head into that dishwater and hold tight until she stopped kicking? Because I did. I want to drown her and then drown her some more.

I'm sure Maxum would pour more dishwashing detergent while you held her head. :roflmao: I showed this to my friend and she laughed like a maniac. She also wholeheartedly agrees.

You know, I am reminded again, with Locke's line to Jack, "Where are you goin' Jack?" of what a fabulous push and pull Jack and Locke had in S2. The tension and battle between these two men was just so ridculously wonderful. Now at the end of S3, Locke is just so crazy that I don't think it has quite the same dynamic that existed in S2.

Having rewatched the whole season, all I can say is they were SO incredibly PMSy and rude to each other. And yeah, I loved it.

In his little conversation with Kate in TTLG about he and Sawyer both wanting to protect her by not wanting her to come along on missions, he might as well have added this one, because that was clearly his reason in saying "You're Not. Coming." As well as avoiding the oh-so-awkwardness of having the whole love triangle out there together right after the events of Collision and WKD, with Locke there to make pointed observations. :biggrin:

I don't think Jack thought Kate was in any kind of great danger, actually. I think he thought HE was in danger (and he was right) and he was sick of it all and mad at himself for falling for a woman who only wants him when the other boyfriend's not there.

Franci
11-18-2007, 01:05 PM
we have a goat smilie???

we have two! :goat1: :goat: bwahah.the first one is histerical.

I need hussies' help. I'm looking for a good pic of my shirt..which is not properly a shirt..more of a suit. the vantage point one (remember?the tight pants...*wink*) I don't know what happened to my pic folder but it seems in revolt,and the only vantage point pic I have is this one (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Foxy/vpset1.jpg) :down:


and he was sick of it all and mad at himself for falling for a woman who only wants him when the other boyfriend's not there.


another thing that Jack and Sawyer have in common ;)

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded
11-18-2007, 06:56 PM
***Mod edited***

hellybongo
11-19-2007, 06:08 AM
I haven't been here in ages - real life getting in the way...how dare it:hissy:

***Mod edited to remove reply to edited post***

Also, Franci...I really like your icon for some reason...

Hope everyone here is well - will try and be a better poster in future:blushing:

Starrox
11-19-2007, 09:55 AM
***Mod edited***

So what exactly made you think that your post would be on topic in a thread about Jack? This is a thread to discuss Jack and Matthew Fox, not one to bash other actors or characters. If you don't have anything on topic to add to a thread, please simply don't reply at all. Thank you.

Claudia815
11-19-2007, 10:29 AM
Oh Jack & Gaby. for once I ranted toward committedtoeverything Jack.He should have thrown the girl in the car and.. *cough* yeah I know,it wouldn't have been Jack-ish still... *le sigh* I wish we'd seen more fo those two.

I'm sure you would have been very happy for a fellow Italian hussy. :italy:


I need hussies' help. I'm looking for a good pic of my shirt..which is not properly a shirt..more of a suit. the vantage point one (remember?the tight pants...*wink*) I don't know what happened to my pic folder but it seems in revolt,and the only vantage point pic I have is this one (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Foxy/vpset1.jpg) :down:

There will be lots more as the premiere draws near, but here's the one you're looking for. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Vantage%20Point/vantage-set25.jpg) Am I right? :3:

I haven't been here in ages - real life getting in the way...how dare it:hissy:

Hope everyone here is well - will try and be a better poster in future:blushing:

It's good to see you, Helly. Aren't you forgetting something? A little youtube goodie? :biggrin: Give the uberbaby's squishy ubercheeks a kiss from us.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded
11-19-2007, 02:39 PM
Hunting Party Q Summary

1. What if they had caught up to Michael before he'd found Walt and he didnt' want to come back with them? What would have happened? (by workingmom)

I think he might have successfully convinced Michael that he needed backup and gone with him.


2. Why do you think Christian was so adamant that Jack wouldn't, couldn't, cross that line with Gabriella? (by shoegirl)


He did not wish to see his son become the man that he is. He deeply admires, loves, and to some degree lives vicariously through his son, after all.

3. Why did Sarah even pretend to look hurt when Jack tells her that Gabriella kissed him? Especially if she's having an affair herself. And, she even sounds a bit peevy and jealous when she asks about "the daughter". (by shoegirl)

See above. Even as she resents him, she admires him, and clearly did not expect him ever to go down that road with another woman. I think her reaction to him when she bails him out of jail and also in the ER, shows horror at what he's become. Clearly she does not think him capable of these kinds of behaviors.

4. Do you think that's what made Jack not give in to Gabriela's advances, even though he was attracted to her?

I think it had less to do with actual love for Sarah, than it did with loyalty to her and being a man of honor and taking his marriage vows seriously. Because, as a grown-up person, when you make a promise to someone, you keep it, even if it's an inconvenience for you or you don't particularly feel like it. It's called character.


In the TTLG Flashforwards, we see a pregnant Sarah and a lost, struggling Jack trying to fix things.

5. How would you characterize the differences/similarities b/w the TTLG FF's and HP Flashbacks? I.e where Jack's life is, his relationship with Sarah, and his state of being emotionally, mentally, & psychologically.


In THP, we see Jack having garden variety marriage and relationship problems. They are extremely painful and very sad, but not unusual. In TTLG, he has hit rock bottom, or nearly so. He's lost control of virtually every aspect of his life, he's lost his self-respect, his dignity, and seems also to be losing his mind. He's lost all but his soul, pretty much, but he's holding onto that tenaciously, by his fingernails, even though he probably doesn't know it. Huge, huge difference between the two situations.

6. In what ways do you think Locke and his scenes with Jack, mirrored or foiled Christian and his scenes w/Jack in HP?

I don't really think they relate. I see the parallels more between Sarah and Kate, with the behavior of the former very much influencing his behavior towards the latter.

7. If Christian had not been consulted on this case, and Gabriella/her father had only met with Jack, do you think Jack would have gone ahead w/the surgery? Why or why not?

Yes, for the same reason he chose to go ahead with it originally. I think it had to do with the fact that they came to him specifically, and think he can do wonders, and maybe Jack thinks so too.

Good to see you again!

TSTID

hellybongo
11-19-2007, 03:46 PM
It's good to see you, Helly. Aren't you forgetting something? A little youtube goodie? :biggrin: Give the uberbaby's squishy ubercheeks a kiss from us.

I would if I could but I'm not sure if I can...you get me? I do hope so..otherwise I look like a fruitloop. I will spread the Jack/Christian love though hun...

Claudia815
11-19-2007, 08:03 PM
Jack's life, in my humble opinion, has been held back by certain 'lines', certain expectations from the people around him.

I liked the line motiff they used and you're right about others drawing those lines for him, but I think Jack's become very demanding of himself. He's his harshest critic. He goes back to the line in SOS to defy the Others (by screaming himself into a nice raspy voice... mmm...) and tell them that this time he's not going anywhere and basically says "The hell with your line, I'm sick of you pulling the strings!"



5. How would you characterize the differences/similarities b/w the TTLG FF's and HP Flashbacks? I.e where Jack's life is, his relationship with Sarah, and his state of being emotionally, mentally, & psychologically.

It's not until you get to ATOTC that you see the full effect it's had on him, but in TTLG he's over Sarah. He didn't call her to the hospital and they've both moved on. His problems in 2007 are much, much bigger than that.

6. In what ways do you think Locke and his scenes with Jack, mirrored or foiled Christian and his scenes w/Jack in HP?

Locke and Jack take turns being each other's daddy figure. In this episode, Locke was lecturing Jack about not telling people what to do and free will, whereas Christian tends to wax poetically about fate and the Red Sox.

7. If Christian had not been consulted on this case, and Gabriella/her father had only met with Jack, do you think Jack would have gone ahead w/the surgery? Why or why not?

I think he was more willing to believe in taking a risk now, after Sarah, and more likely to make that choice. So yes, I think he would have done it anyway, I don't think he took the case to defy Christian.

I think he might have successfully convinced Michael that he needed backup and gone with him.

Michael was pretty adamant about following the instructions given to him in AIM. I know Jack has always considered him a friend, but I'm not sure Michael would have listened to reason.

See above. Even as she resents him, she admires him, and clearly did not expect him ever to go down that road with another woman.

Of course, the fact that unlike her, Jack stopped and came home and confessed to her is lost on Sarah because she's a hypocrite, but she was obviously jealous when she was trying to quiz him about Gabriela. I found her reaction to be pretty realistic.

I think it had less to do with actual love for Sarah, than it did with loyalty to her and being a man of honor and taking his marriage vows seriously. Because, as a grown-up person, when you make a promise to someone, you keep it, even if it's an inconvenience for you or you don't particularly feel like it. It's called character.

I think his father voicing that warning about the line in no uncertain terms helped, but yeah, I didn't expect him to actually cross it.

Franci
11-20-2007, 03:03 AM
Hey hussies :wavey: I have no time to catch up right now,gotta run at work,I'm hating RL lately *sigh*
I just wanted to welcome back Helly :hug:


There will be lots more as the premiere draws near, but here's the one you're looking for. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Vantage%20Point/vantage-set25.jpg) Am I right? :3:

mehe.I knew you'd find it :kiss: thx! it goes right in my sign,ghgh.

btw are Mobisodes spoilers?

Majandra
11-20-2007, 06:51 AM
btw are Mobisodes spoilers?

Only as long as they aren't published on the official ABC website. Btw, you can also discuss the mobisodes here in this section (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/forumdisplay.php?f=376).

shoegirl
11-20-2007, 07:49 AM
Hey hussies :wavey: I have no time to catch up right now,gotta run at work,I'm hating RL lately *sigh*
I just wanted to welcome back Helly :hug:



mehe.I knew you'd find it :kiss: thx! it goes right in my sign,ghgh.

btw are Mobisodes spoilers?

Hey Franci, :wavey:

It is good to see you too. Hang in there with RL. Do we need to send you a certain sexy Doctor to come help take care of some things for you? :biggrin: You know, I'll have to get him away from Claudia....

Have a good Tuesday.

I Choose Jack!

shoe

Claudia815
11-20-2007, 12:08 PM
btw are Mobisodes spoilers?


It's OK, I missed the spoiler tags anyway. They make February seem so much closer.

I expected to have Jack share another mobisode with an Other because there's a lot of valuable "missing time" in Otherville.

Ben and Jack scenes are always very, very cool and this one (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/11/lost-mobisode-3-missing-pieces-king-of.html) is no exception.

1. Ben quotes J.R. Ewing "never say never" :24:

2. I don't play chess, but the people who do claim Jack had Ben in check and he got out by something called a "castle" (hence the title). It's exactly what happened with the plot too.

3. This takes place during the day, probably at the same time when Locke was playing chess with the computer in Mikhail's hut.

4."It’s been a long time since I had anybody with a little skill to play against. I don’t suppose there’s anything I could do to convince you to stick around."

A hussy's gotta try. Nice one, Ben. :roflmao:

5. I guess Christian did teach Jack something other than boozing.

6. Looking fine there, baby. Keep those hands in focus, Jack Bender, you know what we love. :naughty:

7. "Never"

Rejected mobisode idea from I Do:


We see Ben being prepped on the operating table. Jack is standing next to him.

BEN: So... Jack... Do you by any chance happen to cook up an evil plan to cut me up and hold my kidney hostage in exchange for letting those two go?

JACK: Damn, you're good! You got me. That's EXACTLY what I intend to do.



Does anybody know if there are screencaps of the mobisodes anywhere? The quality of the video on abc.com allows for that.

yas_m
11-20-2007, 01:03 PM
So we're spoiler tagging as long as they're not on ABC? Because the amazingness, the foreshadowing and the brilliance of this mobisode aside, it's still hiatus, and I am still in full hussy-only mode, so OMG! THE HAIR!!!! :thud:THE HANDS!!! :thud:THE WRISTS!!!! :thud:THE SMIRK!!!!!!:thud:

lulinha_k
11-20-2007, 02:37 PM
So we're spoiler tagging as long as they're not on ABC? Because the amazingness, the foreshadowing and the brilliance of this mobisode aside, it's still hiatus, and I am still in full hussy-only mode, so OMG! THE HAIR!!!! :thud:THE HANDS!!! :thud:THE WRISTS!!!! :thud:THE SMIRK!!!!!!:thud:

Yas... :hug:

ITA! The HAIR! *FAINTS* :drool: :thud: :77: :8:

Franci
11-20-2007, 04:08 PM
It is good to see you too. Hang in there with RL. Do we need to send you a certain sexy Doctor to come help take care of some things for you? You know, I'll have to get him away from Claudia....

She won't let you take him away from her that easier.. :42fight:

ok,thanks for clearing it up Maja!
jhkjhkjhgkhjgkjhljkgjhl :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: OMG I can't get over how DIVINE he looks.the hair owns me. Seems to me that on season4 Jack will be the hottest he's ever been... and the thought is not making this hiatus any easier..!

Jack Bended deserves a place in the Honorary Hussy List. "Foxy just play more with TEH hands..a bit more..yeah.. that..good"

Does anybody know if there are screencaps of the mobisodes anywhere? The quality of the video on abc.com allows for that.

its not gonna be on ABC till monday right? :cheeky-smiley-022: guess we have to wait.

yas_m
11-20-2007, 04:25 PM
Alright!! I see the slightly longer hair is winning over more fans by the minute! *evil grin*

Claudia815
11-20-2007, 04:25 PM
yasy, you crack me up. Breathe, dude! :lol2:

Jack Bender deserves a place in the Honorary Hussy List. "Foxy just play more with TEH hands..a bit more..yeah.. that..good"

He has provided us with many wonderful (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/Cost%20Of%20Living/onemoreforus.jpg), wonderful (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/back.jpg) examples of camera work...

its not gonna be on ABC till monday right? :cheeky-smiley-022: guess we have to wait.

We're Lost fans. It's what we do.

It's great though that we've had little tidbits of Jack to remind us how much we miss him. He's been a busy guy with the Others. Now that he doesn't have to worry about a whole bunch of people, he can relax playing chess, playing the piano and trying to murder Tom by getting him to exercise.

He plays a lot of games, if only Locke would stop from blowing :censored: up for a minute and rambling about sacrificing people to the Island, they could have some fun.

I loved the sense of irony and I loved that Ben trapped Jack, even though Jack had him in check first. It's a very appropriate metaphor for their situation and for Jack's future where he's free to move around but trapped by his guilt.

I thought the "I hope you'll remember this conversation later" line was just a bit heavy-handed, like holding a sign: "FORSHADOWING ALERT!" But I'm really not complaining. Michael Emerson and Matthew Fox were great. Add Locke to the mix and I could probably watch full episodes of nothing but these three playing chess.

Oh. And I have a feeling it was so anvilicious for a reason. That we'll see Jack remembering that conversation later at some point.

And yes, he's gorgeous and I miss my TV doctor boyfriend.

TSTID, you got what few of us hussies get: the chance to see your favorite shirt again after it was retired.

lulinha_k
11-20-2007, 05:18 PM
She won't let you take him away from her that easier.. :42fight:

ok,thanks for clearing it up Maja!
jhkjhkjhgkhjgkjhljkgjhl :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: OMG I can't get over how DIVINE he looks.the hair owns me. Seems to me that on season4 Jack will be the hottest he's ever been... and the thought is not making this hiatus any easier..!

Jack Bended deserves a place in the Honorary Hussy List. "Foxy just play more with TEH hands..a bit more..yeah.. that..good"



its not gonna be on ABC till monday right? :cheeky-smiley-022: guess we have to wait.


Franci! :hug:

Jack Bender, Elizabeth Mitchell, JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof.... the world of Lost is just a big Hussieland... ;) :biggrin:

Perdue
11-20-2007, 06:25 PM
I'm a rather bad LOST fan *hangs head in shame* but I honestly can't remember when we learned that Sarah was having an affair. Can someone please tell me when we, the audience, learned it and when Jack learned it? Was it at the same time or did we know she was having an affair before Jack did?

iorwen
11-20-2007, 06:41 PM
I'm a rather bad LOST fan *hangs head in shame* but I honestly can't remember when we learned that Sarah was having an affair. Can someone please tell me when we, the audience, learned it and when Jack learned it? Was it at the same time or did we know she was having an affair before Jack did?

I believe it was The Hunting Party on both counts. We find out with him.

Perdue
11-20-2007, 06:44 PM
Thanks. I could not for the life of me remember if we had seen her having an affair before Jack learned of it or not. I need to rewatch that episode because it's all sort of a blurr to me.

Maxum
11-20-2007, 08:13 PM
Hunting Party Q Summary

1. What if they had caught up to Michael before he'd found Walt and he didnt' want to come back with them? What would have happened? (by workingmom)

Jack would not have forced Michael to return with him. More than likely Jack would have given some very good reasons that his plan was not going to save his son and that it might put him and Walt in more danger. I think Jack would have tried reasoning, and Michael, if he refused to go, would tell Jack that it's his choice. Jack would have respected it. What's he going to do, slam Michael over the head and carry him through the jungle? Jack can't even track for himself. :rolleyes:

Why do you think Christian was so adamant that Jack wouldn't, couldn't, cross that line with Gabriella? (by shoegirl) Jack is faithful and loyal. He is a man of his word, and his marriage vows are a much a part of his word as anything else. We have watched Jack keep his word time and again on the island. He promised to return to the caves before sundown to stay with the Losties, and he did. He promised to remove Ben's tumor and keep him alive, and he did. He promises to protect the Losties, and he does, etc. Jack is bound by his word, and he gave his word to the Sataness during his wedding vows, and he won't break his word. Sarah, on the other hand . . . :mad:

Why did Sarah even pretend to look hurt when Jack tells her that Gabriella kissed him? Especially if she's having an affair herself. And, she even sounds a bit peevy and jealous when she asks about "the daughter". (by shoegirl) She is a woman who wants and enjoys Jack's attention or devotion, but she also enjoys stomping his heart into little pieces because she knows he's devoted to her, but she also doesn't want him with anyone else. Otherwise why the reaction? Why be jealous if she's no longer interested in him?

I also wonder if Christian hasn't been feeding Sarah some "how to" lessons with dealing with Jack. For some reason, I can see Christian advising Sarah on Jack's weaknesses or perhaps she learned them on her own. I just find it interesting (and infuriating) how Sarah knows exactly how to destroy Jack emotionally and does whenever she gets the chance.

New Q's

In the TTLG Flashforwards, we see a pregnant Sarah and a lost, struggling Jack trying to fix things.

5. How would you characterize the differences/similarities b/w the TTLG FF's and HP Flashbacks? I.e where Jack's life is, his relationship with Sarah, and his state of being emotionally, mentally, & psychologically. It's hard to answer this question because I need more information as to how Jack ended up in the place he is in the FF. I understand Jack's behavior in THP, but I can't understand Jack's behavior in the FF.

As for his relationship with Sarah? I can't stand that woman, and what she did to him in the hospital made my dislike for her go into the stratosphere. I really want Jack to have his "payback" moment with Sarah. (Just my own personal little fantasy. :biggrin:)

In what ways do you think Locke and his scenes with Jack, mirrored or foiled Christian and his scenes w/Jack in HP? I think in both scenes, Jack is all about fixing. He wanted to find Gabrielle to explain to her what happened, and how he failed. He wanted to try and make things better. With Kate, it was about her safety. He needed to find her to ensure she was safe.

If Christian had not been consulted on this case, and Gabriella/her father had only met with Jack, do you think Jack would have gone ahead w/the surgery? Why or why not? Initially, I think Jack would have told them that the surgery was fool hardy. I think Christian's presence in the room definitely made Jack take the case, but at the same time, Gabriella's arguments for the surgery were pretty sound. She wasn't wearing rose colored glasses. She knew the risks, and so did her father. It was one last desperate chance for survival, and since Jack had already performed one miracle, they were willing to risk the surgery. Jack, imho, couldn't turn them down because he's a sucker for a sob story. Remember Sarah on the operating table talking about dancing at her wedding, and Jack suddenly blurting out that he's going to fix her followed seconds later by his "WTF did I just say" moment.

Holy :censored:, we have a goat smilie???

When my brain gets the caffeine it needs, I'll get back to you, Bansh.



I'm sure Maxum would pour more dishwashing detergent while you held her head.

Dishwashing detergent? Pfft. (rubbing hands together) There are SO many other wonderful options, ladies (she says, cackling like a witch). :biggrin:

I don't think Jack thought Kate was in any kind of great danger, actually. I think he thought HE was in danger (and he was right) and he was sick of it all and mad at himself for falling for a woman who only wants him when the other boyfriend's not there.I do think Jack felt Kate might be in danger, but I agree that Jack was more tired of the high school crap that was going on. Jack doesn't like games.

I'm a rather bad LOST fan *hangs head in shame* but I honestly can't remember when we learned that Sarah was having an affair. Can someone please tell me when we, the audience, learned it and when Jack learned it? Was it at the same time or did we know she was having an affair before Jack did?

Jack found out in THP at the exact same time, we, the rest of the audience did. The viewers were not privy to it prior to that scene in the kitchen.

Perdue
11-20-2007, 08:18 PM
Jack found out in THP at the exact same time, we, the rest of the audience did. The viewers were not privy to it prior to that scene in the kitchen.
Thanks. From some of the posts here, I thought maybe I had missed seeing it earlier in the show. and everyone was already really angry at Sarah by the time she admitted it to Jack.

Maxum
11-20-2007, 08:34 PM
Thanks. From some of the posts here, I thought maybe I had missed seeing it earlier in the show. and everyone was already really angry at Sarah by the time she admitted it to Jack.

Actually, I didn't have a problem with Sarah UNTIL that moment. The marriage was in trouble, and both parties were to blame, but Sarah chose to have the affair. The part that bugged me after watching her confess to Jack that she was seeing someone (and it was going on for a while) was that earlier in that episode she was hinting to Jack about maybe being pregnant and then when she didn't like Jack's reaction, she stomped out of the room.

First, you don't act like a four year old. You talk about what's bothering you, and Jack wanted to discuss it. Sarah didn't. You don't get to say that the marriage fell apart because my husband wasn't attentive but refuse to have any open communication. Sarah is passive aggressive.

Second: Why would Sarah ever even mention the POSSIBILITY of being pregnant to Jack when there is an equal possibility that the baby might not be his because she's screwing around behind his back?

Last: Why did Sarah tell Jack about the affair AFTER she found out about the kiss between Jack and Gabrielle? Did Sarah even remotely look like a woman who was about to drop a bombshell on her husband? She's asking him how his day was, she's washing dishes. If you're about to drive a knife through your husband's heart, I would think there would be some remorse or even some nervousness about it as he walks through the door. Sarah didn't react UNTIL she heard about the kiss. I don't know, but for some reason I think Sarah was going to sneak out and leave Jack a note. The coward.

Perdue
11-20-2007, 09:11 PM
I remember reading that originally TPTB had thought to have Kate be married and her husband be in the tail section. That would have certainly put an entirely different spin on relationships on the island. That made me wonder what might have happened between Jack and Kate if Jack were happily married to Sarah when the plane crashed? Kate would still have found him attractive, I'm sure, but what would his reaction have been to her kiss, for instance? Given the way Sarah was written, that is impossible, I realize, but if Sarah were different, how would Jack have behaved? He certainly wouldn't have cheated on Sarah; he's not that kind of man. But would he have still been so infatuated with Kate? I wonder about these things sometimes.

Maxum
11-20-2007, 09:34 PM
I remember reading that originally TPTB had thought to have Kate be married and her husband be in the tail section. That would have certainly put an entirely different spin on relationships on the island. That made me wonder what might have happened between Jack and Kate if Jack were happily married to Sarah when the plane crashed? Kate would still have found him attractive, I'm sure, but what would his reaction have been to her kiss, for instance? Given the way Sarah was written, that is impossible, I realize, but if Sarah were different, how would Jack have behaved? He certainly wouldn't have cheated on Sarah; he's not that kind of man. But would he have still been so infatuated with Kate? I wonder about these things sometimes.

Jack as a happy person makes for a dull Lost. I don't think Jack is infatuated with Kate. He's fallen in love with her over time, but he also is not going to play Kate's games. Kate loves to play games with her guys, and they all seem to oblige (both past and present). Jack, on the other hand, has no patience for it, and when Kate tries to pull it on him, he calls her on her ish, and she gets her hurt face on. If anything, I think Kate is infatuated with Jack.

As for Jack and Sarah, if Jack were a happily married man who was desperate to get back to his wife, it would be boring. Lost is an action/drama, and therefore, I prefer it when the lead actors (male and/or female) are not married. It opens up the canvas to interaction between many different characters and situations without weighing them down with morality issues. Although on Lost, morality isn't really holding any high ground. ;)

Perdue
11-20-2007, 09:39 PM
As for Jack and Sarah, if Jack were a happily married man who was desperate to get back to his wife, it would be boring. Lost is an action/drama, and therefore, I prefer it when the lead actors (male and/or female) are not married. It opens up the canvas to interaction between many different characters and situations without weighing them down with morality issues. Although on Lost, morality isn't really holding any high ground. Oh me too. Can't you imagine how exciting it would be if all the characters sat around a campfire talking about how much they miss their spouses? Now that would be RIVETING tv. I'm sure that's why the only married couples among the Losties, the Tailies and the Others are Rose/Bernard and Pickett/Whateverhernamewas.

And I do think Jack is infatuated with Kate--which isn't a bad thing. Infatuation is marked by "love at first sight" and an emotional response that defies reason and lasts even without immediate reward. Jack fell in love when Kate stitched him up. He has remained in love with her despite her unpredictable and irrational behavior and his love has lasted, even increased, despite the fact she slept with Sawyer. Infatuation isn't a bad thing at all. It gets one through many a difficult patch.

I wonder if every other mosibode is going to feature Jack? That would be an intriguing pattern, wouldn't it?

Maxum
11-20-2007, 10:10 PM
Oh me too. Can't you imagine how exciting it would be if all the characters sat around a campfire talking about how much they miss their spouses? Now that would be RIVETING tv. I'm sure that's why the only married couples among the Losties, the Tailies and the Others are Rose/Bernard and Pickett/Whateverhernamewas.

And Jin and Sun.

And I do think Jack is infatuated with Kate--which isn't a bad thing. Infatuation is marked by "love at first sight" and an emotional response that defies reason and lasts even without immediate reward. I think Jack is certainly drawn to Kate, and he certainly holds an attraction for her, but for me, infatuation implies obsessed, and I don't see Jack obsessed with Kate. Again, it's perception, and it's fine that you see infatuation. Others may certainly agree. I don't think it was love at first site for either one of them. It was a gradual thing based on friendship, trials, crisis, etc. Kate has yet to admit feelings for anyone.

Jack fell in love when Kate stitched him up. I don't agree at all that it happened the first time he saw her. Not at all.

He has remained in love with her despite her unpredictable and irrational behavior and his love has lasted, even increased, despite the fact she slept with Sawyer. Agreed. That's also a big step for Jack. The fact that he was able to accept the fact that she slept with Sawyer, believes that he is the one she loves, and yet Jack STILL admitted he loved her. I expected Jack to take those feelings with him to his grave.

Infatuation isn't a bad thing at all. It gets one through many a difficult patch.We'll agree to disagree on that one. Actually, I looked up the word, and there are some definitions that I agree with you on: Spellbound, fondness, captivate. I think these apply to Jack about Kate. However, the words I disagree: Obsessed, possessed. I don't see that from Jack.

It's bad enough that Lost has to confuse us, but now Websters too. :mad::biggrin:

As for the mobisodes:

It wouldn't bother me, but we know that won't happen. At the same time, Jack (and Locke) are absolutely the pivotal characters to Lost, imho. I mean, there is a reason for Jack getting season premieres, season finales, most of the flashback episodes, and now the mobisodes. Didn't you get the memo? It IS the Jack show. :biggrin:

Perdue
11-20-2007, 10:18 PM
Regarding the mosibodes and I'm a Jack fan, but I don't want every mobisode centered around only him, and we know that won't happen. At the same time, Jack (and Locke) are absolutely the pivotal characters to Lost. There is a reason for Jack getting season premieres, season finales, most of the flashback episodes, and now the mobisodes. Didn't you get the memo? It IS the Jack show.

I don't think every episode will be centered on Jack and I don't think anyone would really expect that, but I was wondering if the pattern of a Jack-centered,someone else, Jack-centered will continue. That's certainly a possibility for the Jack show.

Claudia815
11-20-2007, 10:22 PM
Dishwashing detergent? Pfft. (rubbing hands together) There are SO many other wonderful options, ladies (she says, cackling like a witch). :biggrin:.

You and Erica need to stay away from each other or else murder is afoot. :lol2:


It wouldn't bother me, but we know that won't happen. At the same time, Jack (and Locke) are absolutely the pivotal characters to Lost, imho. I mean, there is a reason for Jack getting season premieres, season finales, most of the flashback episodes, and now the mobisodes. Didn't you get the memo? It IS the Jack show. :biggrin:

Since he's actually paying for them, I'm guessing Steve wants to get the bang for his buck, so hey... why not? :devil2: I'd make popcorn, sit back and watch the fandom w**k itself into oblivion.

I want to see all the characters. I enjoy Jack's interactions with all of them, that's when the show is at its best (which is why the island plot in SIASL is kickbutt and I love it) so for example, if he gets a mobisode with Juliet the night when she confessed she was a spy for Ben or if both of them are in a mobisode with Danielle at the Black Rock, excellent. If not, I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the cast, Locke, Claire and Sayid in particular.

workingmom
11-20-2007, 10:29 PM
Oh me too. Can't you imagine how exciting it would be if all the characters sat around a campfire talking about how much they miss their spouses? Now that would be RIVETING tv. I'm sure that's why the only married couples among the Losties, the Tailies and the Others are Rose/Bernard and Pickett/Whateverhernamewas. Apparently Tracy talked about it so much that she and Scott/Steve decided to continue the conversation in his tent every night, per the gossip Sawyer shared with Walt on the raft. (ETA: Erm, we all know that Scott/Steve is ONE person, not two here, OK? Given the statement that Lost is not holding the moral high ground.)

Actually I think the dynamic between Sun and Jin is at least as riveting as the dynamic between some of the other unmarried couples, even without the "did she or didn't she?" from the flashbacks. Like their conversations in THP where Jin complains about her telling him what to do and what not to do, and she enlightens him with a "welcome to my world."

I wonder if every other mosibode is going to feature Jack? That would be an intriguing pattern, wouldn't it?


I'm sure that would provoke a lot of different kinds of conversations around the boards. After seeing two Jack mobisodes with the scruffier hair, I'm happy with anyone they want to put on the mobisodes because it's something new and I guess we can just consider them kind of deleted scenes.

Perdue
11-20-2007, 10:32 PM
I want to see all the characters. I enjoy Jack's interactions with all of them, that's when the show is at its best (which is why the island plot in SIASL is kickbutt and I love it) so for example, if he gets a mobisode with Juliet the night when she confessed she was a spy for Ben or if both of them are in a mobisode with Danielle at the Black Rock, excellent. If not, I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the cast, Locke, Claire and Sayid in particular.It would be very easy to have Jack with each of those characters in the mobisodes. I can see TPTB having every other one feature Jack since he really does have interactions with everyone on the island.

ETA: I totally forgot about Sun and Jin. I guess it was because they have such a complicated and angsty relationship they don't seem like a happily married couple.

Maxum
11-20-2007, 10:53 PM
Since he's actually paying for them, I'm guessing Steve wants to get the bang for his buck, so hey... why not? :devil2: I'd make popcorn, sit back and watch the fandom w**k itself into oblivion.

:biggrin: I've got the beer.

Actually I think the dynamic between Sun and Jin is at least as riveting as the dynamic between some of the other unmarried couples, even without the "did she or didn't she?" from the flashbacks. Like their conversations in THP where Jin complains about her telling him what to do and what not to do, and she enlightens him with a "welcome to my world."

I didn't mean to imply that Jin and Sun weren't riveting. I enjoy their story. I'm just saying that as a married couple, they won't have (as far as I know) the various romantic entanglements with other characters, or interactions on a personal level, and with Sun pregnant, it may limit her running around the island. That's why they never hook up the couples right at the beginning of tv shows (Moonlighting, Cheers, Alias etc.). Once they are a couple, it's limiting. Boy that sounds sad.

I want to see all the characters. I enjoy Jack's interactions with all of them, that's when the show is at its best (which is why the island plot in SIASL is kickbutt and I love it) so for example, if he gets a mobisode with Juliet the night when she confessed she was a spy for Ben or if both of them are in a mobisode with Danielle at the Black Rock, excellent. If not, I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the cast, Locke, Claire and Sayid in particular.Absolutely. Lost is at it's best when all the characters can interact. I do find that I enjoyed this last mobisode most because it was actually a part of the current storyline. I'm dying to know more about Jack's week in Othersville, and this was a tease. The first two were okay, but I loved this one.

It would be very easy to have Jack with each of those characters in the mobisodes. I can see TPTB having every other one feature Jack since he really does have interactions with everyone on the island.

Very true. Jack is one character that does intersect with almost every character (if not every) on Lost and has some kind of relationship with each of them, whether friendship, rival, or adversarial.

Perdue
11-20-2007, 11:11 PM
There were so many sightings of Jack at the start of the filming, I can't help but think he is going to be in most of the mobisodes.

Is there any character who hasn't interacted with Jack? I don't trust my memory since I forgot about Sun and Jin, but I can't recall any character who hasn't been involved with Jack.

Maxum
11-20-2007, 11:26 PM
There were so many sightings of Jack at the start of the filming, I can't help but think he is going to be in most of the mobisodes.

Is there any character who hasn't interacted with Jack? I don't trust my memory since I forgot about Sun and Jin, but I can't recall any character who hasn't been involved with Jack.

To my knowledge, every character on Lost has had a scene with Jack. This includes all the Losties, the Tallies, the Others - and Rousseau.

Could every other mobisode involve Jack? Absolutely. I just don't see TPTB doing that. They need to spread the love. However, I LOVED the last mobisode because it gave me an actual "missing piece" to the Lost story, and it was relevant to this past season. In other words, that mobisode could easily have been in a scene from last year's episodes, and it would have been significant.

Well I'm off to bed, and then off to my mother's house to begin prepping the feast.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!!!! :kiss:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded
11-21-2007, 12:04 AM
I think it's kind of missing the point of the mobisodes to focus on who they are centered on and look for some kind of pattern there. I think the point of them is to look at why these particular couple of minutes have been put out there and what they might mean for Season 4. Being the main character, he's got substantive connections to most of the stories of the other characters, so he's going to show up in the mobisodes. But the why is more interesting. I'm not sure there is any real meaning for the larger story in the first two, but this last one is absolutely important, furthering it in some ways (huge but of foreshadowing, there at the end), and shedding light on some bits of past story (why Ben manipulated Locke, and a peek into that week Jack went missing in Otherville). It's wonderful stuff.

I wouldn't look for any of the scenes we've glimpsed of Jack so far to show up in the mobisodes. You can tell by costumes, props, and settings, and the like that this is regular episode stuff. Again, it's not a surprise that we've seen a bit of Jack in set photos and promos -- he's totally centric to both the on and off island plots, so we're probably more likely to see him than anyone else. Although I think the John Terry sighting earlier in the year that got everyone all riled up about the possibility of more Christian was clearly mobisode-related. Damn.

Oh man, these little clips are getting me fired up for Season 4. Which, I guess is the point. Yes, I'm a sucker for the marketing. :redface:

TSTID

Perdue
11-21-2007, 12:33 AM
Well, there could be both a point AND a pattern---remember the numbers, after all.

PenTip
11-21-2007, 12:36 AM
Perdue said: And I do think Jack is infatuated with Kate--which isn't a bad thing. Infatuation is marked by "love at first sight" and an emotional response that defies reason and lasts even without immediate reward. Jack fell in love when Kate stitched him up. He has remained in love with her despite her unpredictable and irrational behavior and his love has lasted, even increased, despite the fact she slept with Sawyer. Infatuation isn't a bad thing at all. It gets one through many a difficult patch.


Isn't it possible for love to begin with infatuation? I mean, as we see Jack watching Kate from the very beginning there's the "connection" between them right from the start. By the time we've progressed through all the seasons I feel that any initial infatuation he may have felt has now settled deep in his heart. Love can be deep and still allow the other person to live their own life...as in Kate's interaction with Sawyer, even though we know it's only temporary. The only real love I see is between Jack and Kate. I think infatuation can easily grow into love. It may not always do so, but in this case I think it happened.

Claudia815
11-21-2007, 12:51 AM
Hey, PenTip! Welcome back!

I think the point of them is to look at why these particular couple of minutes have been put out there and what they might mean for Season 4. Being the main character, he's got substantive connections to most of the stories of the other characters, so he's going to show up in the mobisodes. But the why is more interesting. I'm not sure there is any real meaning for the larger story in the first two, but this last one is absolutely important, furthering it in some ways (huge but of foreshadowing, there at the end), and shedding light on some bits of past story (why Ben manipulated Locke, and a peek into that week Jack went missing in Otherville). It's wonderful stuff.

I think we've very lucky the negotiations paid off and we get to see Michael Emerson and Matthew Fox under Jack Bender's direction give us a glimpse into a part of the story we haven't seen yet. When I receive such goodies, I say :ntworthy:, chew with my mouth closed like a good girl and enjoy it. As for the why... I'm not sure the foreshadowing is telling us something we didn't already know, but it's still cool to watch another little piece of the puzzle. I was wondering who was Ben's last worthy chess opponent for instance. :lol2:

I wouldn't look for any of the scenes we've glimpsed of Jack so far to show up in the mobisodes. You can tell by costumes, props, and settings, and the like that this is regular episode stuff. Again, it's not a surprise that we've seen a bit of Jack in set photos and promos -- he's totally centric to both the on and off island plots, so we're probably more likely to see him than anyone else.

That's just crazy talk, woman.

Although I think the John Terry sighting earlier in the year that got everyone all riled up about the possibility of more Christian was clearly mobisode-related. Damn.

Yeah. This whole being dead business kinda worries me about seeing him again... Dany... I'm willing to compromise. :biggrin:

Yes, I'm a sucker for the marketing. :redface:

I still want my six inch Jack under my tree. I know Jack, Locke and Shannon were best sellers so I hope Santa can still find one for me.

(ETA: Erm, we all know that Scott/Steve is ONE person, not two here, OK? Given the statement that Lost is not holding the moral high ground.)

Numbers are not a problem of morality, it's just math. :innocent: But I just call them Sceve.

To my knowledge, every character on Lost has had a scene with Jack. This includes all the Losties, the Tallies, the Others - and Rousseau.

Of course, I'd like to see more of him with a lot of them. I miss the Hurley/Jack scenes, walkie talkie convos don't count.

Well I'm off to bed, and then off to my mother's house to begin prepping the feast.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!!!! :kiss:

Pfft. I'm stuck at work tomorrow with probably no fandom to keep me company. Hm... I guess I'll just stare at pictures of Jack all day long.

It will be time well spent on composing a list of things to be grateful for as a hussy. An illustrated Turkey Day card for you to see when you come back... Ah. Another work day filled with meaning.

yas_m
11-21-2007, 12:58 AM
Pfft. I'm stuck at work tomorrow with probably no fandom to keep me company. Hm... I guess I'll just stare at pictures of Jack all day long.

It will be time well spent on composing a list of things to be grateful for as a hussy. An illustrated Turkey Day card for you to see when you come back... Ah. Another work day filled with meaning.

That's where the little army of international hussies come in ;) I'm house bound remember, but if you insist on spending the day making an illustrated card, then by all means... :hypocrit:

Franci
11-21-2007, 03:24 AM
I've just had a Hussy dream.the only thing I can remember is that I was staring at TEH hair...... man,I think I'm slightly obsessed.

Franci!
Jack Bender, Elizabeth Mitchell, JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof.... the world of Lost is just a big Hussieland...

Lu :kiss:
whaaa? you forgot Steve Mcpherson? :149:


He has provided us with many wonderful (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/Cost%20Of%20Living/onemoreforus.jpg), wonderful (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/back.jpg) examples of camera work...

ohh yes, many (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/normal_finalepromo11.jpg) many (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/livediepromo21.jpg) of them...
he applied in 'the art of filming Matthew Fox' a lot last year and he seems to improve day after day.gotta give him an A


Happy Thanksgiving American Hussies ! :1turkey:

yas_m
11-21-2007, 06:42 AM
I've just had a Hussy dream.the only thing I can remember is that I was staring at TEH hair...... man,I think I'm slightly obsessed.


Ah, the hair (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/TTLG/3x22-glass2105.jpg), the wonderful (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/TTLG/LOST_4246.jpg), wonderful (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Greatest%20Hits/Lost_3x21_GreatestHits_0186-Ar.jpg), perfect (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Greatest%20Hits/LOST_1955.jpg) length hair (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Greatest%20Hits/3x21-hitscap106.jpg)

hellybongo
11-21-2007, 07:52 AM
Ah, the hair (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/TTLG/3x22-glass2105.jpg), the wonderful (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/TTLG/LOST_4246.jpg), wonderful (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Greatest%20Hits/Lost_3x21_GreatestHits_0186-Ar.jpg), perfect (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Greatest%20Hits/LOST_1955.jpg) length hair (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Greatest%20Hits/3x21-hitscap106.jpg)

See...now that's what I need to make my wednesday a little easier to deal with...

Dream or no dream everyone loves (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/Lost_3x22_010.jpg) the hair (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/Lost_3x22_014.jpg)People go to extraordinary lengths (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/Lost_3x22_020.jpg) to get near to it. Where other's (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/3x03_FurtherInstructions_001.jpg) just look for different swoon worthy parts of Jack.

ozge
11-21-2007, 09:39 AM
hey guys!


wow i just saw the latest mobisode and OMG he is the hottest man alive :drool: :drool: (i dont remember how many times i said the same thing before)

anyways i really loved this mobisode and not just because jack was in it (that was enough for me tho) but because i also enyoj to watch the scenes between ben and jack... the conversation was great, the reference to the FF, the chess game...wow that was really great! :clap:

TPTB definilty know what fans really want :rolleyes:


:jack:

Claudia815
11-21-2007, 09:52 AM
ozge, it's great that we're able to say it so often, isn't it? We're lucky as Lost fans to see a lot of him.

Where other's (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/3x03_FurtherInstructions_001.jpg) just look for different swoon worthy parts of Jack.

Look at him, that creep! Is it any wonder that he was hoping Jack would stick around?

man,I think I'm slightly obsessed.

Just a tad. But then again, you've been influenced by a cerain group... :hypocrit:

Lu :kiss:
whaaa? you forgot Steve Mcpherson? :149:

Oh oh. I would not mess with supernatural things if I were you, Luka.

To my knowledge, every character on Lost has had a scene with Jack. This includes all the Losties, the Tallies, the Others - and Rousseau.

I think he's yet to meet Mikhail and Richard (various red shirt Others such as the one who got Jack Bauered by Sayid in the finale don't count) and he hasn't interracted with some of the ones he's met (Mrs.Klugh). Also, I need to see more of Jack and Desmond. The impending news of Charlie's death might grant me my wish.


First, you don't act like a four year old.

People who are unhappy and frustrated often do.

Second: Why would Sarah ever even mention the POSSIBILITY of being pregnant to Jack when there is an equal possibility that the baby might not be his because she's screwing around behind his back?

I think she still wanted to go back to the way things were, back when they did talk (Jack tells her "We don't even talk anymore" in the kitchen) and this was a last ditch attempt. And yes, she's spineless, despite the miracle, but I understand her reactions even though I think she's pretty low for making Jack feel guilty about not wanting a child that she knows might not even be his.


She is a woman who wants and enjoys Jack's attention or devotion, but she also enjoys stomping his heart into little pieces because she knows he's devoted to her, but she also doesn't want him with anyone else. Otherwise why the reaction? Why be jealous if she's no longer interested in him?

Well, she is interested, but she only wants the version of him she idealized in her wedding toast. Her bags were already packed, so I don't think that mattered much, but she was surprised that they'd become so distant that even Jack, the most committed man she's ever known, would be tempted to cheat. Does it makes sense that SHE'd be disappointed in him? It's human... Not really logical, but we're not always that way. Jealousy also makes sense if I look at it that way.

ozge
11-21-2007, 10:48 AM
ozge, it's great that we're able to say it so often, isn't it? We're lucky as Lost fans to see a lot of him.


yeah its great and we are so damn lucky!
first the long hiatus then the radio silence and finally the strike really depressed me but after getting (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/cast/public/2007/sea4-set/sea4-set013.jpg)gorgeous (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/cast/public/2007/sea4-set/sea4-set013.jpg) jack (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/cast/public/2007/sea4-set/sea4-set014.jpg) pics (http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6869/lostfirstlook5aa8.jpg) from the new season and the mobisodes i'm now a happy jack/foxy fan :biggrin:

Live together
11-21-2007, 11:20 AM
Well, i'm a little anxious about the idea of posting here :redface: *cough* Franci *cough*

Where can i begin? I'm a Jack's fangirl! THAT'S IT! This man deserves so much more recognition in my humble opinion. With all he carried out, always by thinking of the others... :kiss: The way his character is written is very ingenious, as every hero, the demons continue and his decisions are often called into account. Plus, the simple fact that he didn't take the initiative to be a leader impresses me. That makes his character so interesting, sometimes i want to cross my TV to bring him my help. But fortunately, some losties do it: Charlie, Sayid, Juliet and naturally his real love. Kate. The love which he brings her is indescribable, so true. I've never doubted about his feelings. And make whom this man, for a long time destroyed by his relationship with Sarah, is finally in peace with his feelings says it length on his evolution. And Foxy, this man plays with a nature...wow! :o I find him amazing, he knows how to make me cry. I chat, what achatterbox... it's that there is so much to say. I'm going to summarize : Lost is Jack's show, not need to question. ;)

And about the mobisobe :

I'm under the charm. Very interressant this conversation with Ben, i like their dynamics. And, ZOMG! *thud* He is magnificent: the hair, the hands (!!!!), the smile, the eyes... It is possible that he really exists?
100%

Btw, can i be added ?

Claudia815
11-21-2007, 12:11 PM
ozge, there's no reason to be depressed, especially not after we made it through such a long wait. We're almost there.

Yeah, the various Jack sightings have made the wait a little more bearable. Or unbearable because they're just teasing us with Dr.Studmuffin when we want so much more.

Well, i'm a little anxious about the idea of posting here :redface: *cough* Franci *cough*

Where can i begin? I'm a Jack's fangirl! THAT'S IT! This man deserves so much more recognition in my humble opinion. With all he carried out, always by thinking of the others... :kiss: The way his character is written is very ingenious, as every hero, the demons continue and his decisions are often called into account. Plus, the simple fact that he didn't take the initiative to be a leader impresses me. That makes his character so interesting, sometimes i want to cross my TV to bring him my help. But fortunately, some losties do it: Charlie, Sayid, Juliet and naturally his real love. Kate. The love which he brings her is indescribable, so true. I've never doubted about his feelings. And make whom this man, for a long time destroyed by his relationship with Sarah, is finally in peace with his feelings says it length on his evolution. And Foxy, this man plays with a nature...wow! :o I find him amazing, he knows how to make me cry. I chat, what achatterbox... it's that there is so much to say. I'm going to summarize : Lost is Jack's show, not need to question. ;)

And about the mobisobe :

I'm under the charm. Very interressant this conversation with Ben, i like their dynamics. And, ZOMG! *thud* He is magnificent: the hair, the hands (!!!!), the smile, the eyes... It is possible that he really exists?
100%

Btw, can i be added ?

You most definitely can because you're home now. I hope you make yourself at home and don't be silly, there's nothing to be afraid of... You're never going to miss your lost innocence, I promise. :biggrin: Welcome!

Dany_E
11-21-2007, 01:01 PM
Welcome live together! I hope we hear more from you. Watch out for Claudia the Corrupter though.

yas_m
11-21-2007, 01:03 PM
Welcome to the happiest place on the internet, Live Together :biggrin:

Watch out for Claudia the Corrupter though.
:24: Beat me to it, Dany!

:hide:

Live together
11-21-2007, 03:06 PM
Hehe. Thanks guys for the the welcome :kiss: I'm gonna try to write more there...

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded
11-21-2007, 03:19 PM
As for the why... I'm not sure the foreshadowing is telling us something we didn't already know, but it's still cool to watch another little piece of the puzzle.

I'm guessing that Jack's going to need Ben's help in getting back to the island. That's what the mobisode says to me anyhoo. Am I the only one that interpreted Ben's oh-so-knowing and smug manner in that way?

TSTID

Claudia815
11-21-2007, 03:25 PM
:24: Beat me to it, Dany!

:hide:

Yeah, like any of you actually miss your untainted minds and your former prude selves. :p

I'm guessing that Jack's going to need Ben's help in getting back to the island. That's what the mobisode says to me anyhoo. Am I the only one that interpreted Ben's oh-so-knowing and smug manner in that way?

I didn't because the rescue is bad news for Ben as much (maybe even more) as it is for the losties. He's trying to con Jack one last time in the finale with the three losties fake deaths and he'd do anything to stop him from making the call. So if he knew all the :censored: that was going to hit the fan for HIMSELF a week ahead of the rescue, I don't think he would have been quite so smug and calm.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded
11-21-2007, 03:43 PM
Yeah, like any of you actually miss your untainted minds and your former prude selves. :p



I didn't because the rescue is bad news for Ben as much (maybe even more) as it is for the losties. He's trying to con Jack one last time in the finale with the three losties fake deaths and he'd do anything to stop him from making the call. So if he knew all the :censored: that was going to hit the fan for HIMSELF a week ahead of the rescue, I don't think he would have been quite so smug and calm.

Willing to do anything? But he didn't do much, did he. Tried to talk Jack out of it (he had to know based on past experience that that wouldn't work) and then pretended to shoot a couple of people (given the chance at rescue, and the evident desperation of the enterprise, why would he assume that would work either?). Wow. When, if he really wanted the call to not go through, they could have just swept in with the remaining Others and killed Naomi and taken the phone. It's not like they couldn't have. So few of the Losties are good for anything but milling about and going "Baaaaaa" that all they needed to do was get past Jack and Kate.

It just didn't seem such a spectacularly urgent matter to Ben. He appeared more concerned when Jack declined to operate on him, or when Locke heard Jacob speak. I"m probably wrong, but I think there's a layer here that we're missing.

TSTID

yas_m
11-21-2007, 03:54 PM
Yeah, like any of you actually miss your untainted minds and your former prude selves. :p


I sometimes look at pictures of that girl and almost don't recognize her, and when I do I feel bad for her but feel relieved that she eventually met you ;)

Dany_E
11-21-2007, 04:14 PM
Willing to do anything? But he didn't do much, did he. Tried to talk Jack out of it (he had to know based on past experience that that wouldn't work) and then pretended to shoot a couple of people (given the chance at rescue, and the evident desperation of the enterprise, why would he assume that would work either?). Wow. When, if he really wanted the call to not go through, they could have just swept in with the remaining Others and killed Naomi and taken the phone. It's not like they couldn't have. So few of the Losties are good for anything but milling about and going "Baaaaaa" that all they needed to do was get past Jack and Kate.

It just didn't seem such a spectacularly urgent matter to Ben. He appeared more concerned when Jack declined to operate on him, or when Locke heard Jacob speak. I"m probably wrong, but I think there's a layer here that we're missing.

TSTID

I think Ben was pretty confident that no one would ever be able to find the island again (per his words to Michael at the end of Season 2) and he really didn't start to panic until the Losties disabled the device blocking outside communication. I think, like Locke, Ben believes in the island as an entity that makes its own choices - creates its own "list". If it doesn't want you to leave, it won't let you. If it doesn't want you to find it, you won't find it. It's very important to Ben to be seen as "chosen". Maybe he thinks Jack ended up there, in the first place, just to save him from his tumour. Since Jack's usefulness to Ben is at an end, Ben doesn't think the island will let Jack return if he leaves.

Claudia815
11-21-2007, 04:37 PM
I sometimes look at pictures of that girl and almost don't recognize her, and when I do I feel bad for her but feel relieved that she eventually met you ;)

Awwwr, I feel like... a madame. Doesn't feel all that bad though. :biggrin:

Willing to do anything? But he didn't do much, did he. Tried to talk Jack out of it (he had to know based on past experience that that wouldn't work) and then pretended to shoot a couple of people (given the chance at rescue, and the evident desperation of the enterprise, why would he assume that would work either?). Wow. When, if he really wanted the call to not go through, they could have just swept in with the remaining Others and killed Naomi and taken the phone.

Well, he could have also told Jack: "Mr.X and Y are coming to the Island to [insert nefarious purpose]. You may not believe me, but Claire, who by the way is your sister, and Aaron will end up dead [insert other horrible consequences], these people will force you to lie, etc." The writers don't roll that way. The remaining Others were Tom, Ryan and the guy who got his neck snapped. The losties might be sheep, but there's quite a few of them so I don't think taking down Naomi and grabbing the phone with all of them there would have been an option.

It just didn't seem such a spectacularly urgent matter to Ben. He appeared more concerned when Jack declined to operate on him, or when Locke heard Jacob speak. I"m probably wrong, but I think there's a layer here that we're missing.


No, you might actually be right and I absolutely agree that the mobisode dropped an anvilicious hint about Jack needing Ben (or at least what Ben knows) to go back to the Island. I just don't think Ben knew the specifics, or else he wouldn't have been waiting for the rescuers like a sitting duck.

I think Ben was pretty confident that no one would ever be able to find the island again (per his words to Michael at the end of Season 2) and he really didn't start to panic until the Losties disabled the device blocking outside communication.

Richard and Mikhail definitely seemed to think he was losing it. He did panic and he did make mistakes so I just have a hard time thinking of him as all knowleadgeable about the future.

I think, like Locke, Ben believes in the island as an entity that makes its own choices - creates its own "list". If it doesn't want you to leave, it won't let you. If it doesn't want you to find it, you won't find it. It's very important to Ben to be seen as "chosen". Maybe he thinks Jack ended up there, in the first place, just to save him from his tumour. Since Jack's usefulness to Ben is at an end, Ben doesn't think the island will let Jack return if he leaves.

He also doesn't want Jack to leave at all for reasons of saving face and holding on to his psycho dictator status. He believes the Island will deliver him a way to make his will come true (as he tells Locke in TMFT) and of course Locke is there as a perfect puppet. I think that's what he was talking about in the mobisode. He really, really, really didn't want Jack to go and he believed the Island/the Box would deliver.

jane_eris reminded me of their continuous use of Alice/Through The Looking Glass allusions. In the first mobisode, Christian (previously seen roaming the Island in white sneakers) produces a watch from a white handkerchief. Now Jack's playing chess. I think their geekiness is endearing. :lol2:

oochie
11-21-2007, 04:44 PM
Willing to do anything? But he didn't do much, did he. Tried to talk Jack out of it (he had to know based on past experience that that wouldn't work) and then pretended to shoot a couple of people (given the chance at rescue, and the evident desperation of the enterprise, why would he assume that would work either?). Wow. When, if he really wanted the call to not go through, they could have just swept in with the remaining Others and killed Naomi and taken the phone. It's not like they couldn't have. So few of the Losties are good for anything but milling about and going "Baaaaaa" that all they needed to do was get past Jack and Kate.

It just didn't seem such a spectacularly urgent matter to Ben. He appeared more concerned when Jack declined to operate on him, or when Locke heard Jacob speak. I"m probably wrong, but I think there's a layer here that we're missing.

TSTID

Ben wanted Jack to do the operation, but he wanted Jack to do it willingly, not to be force or coerce into doing it! I suppose he wanted Jack to “choose” not to leave the Island as well and not force him to stay like when he “suggests ” to Locke to blow up the sub but didn’t try to stop Jack from leaving! Ben wants Jack to have faith in the Island just like Locke do but of course it would means that Jack should have faith in Ben and Locke as well and for the moment he is not quite there yet and neither am I LOL :hammer:

hellybongo
11-21-2007, 04:48 PM
I'm thinking that Ben knew for whatever reason that Jack would need/want to go back to the island. How he does I'm not so sure.

After the finale and the final scene in TTLG where we know that Jack and Kate are back on the mainland I guess the next thing would be did anyone else make it back and if so would they understand Jack's urgency. So...does Ben make it back alive and if he does is Jack saving face by not asking him how he can get back seeing as Ben seemed so confident that Jack would want to.

It's late - I've confused myself now...:confused:

The_Sheppardess
11-21-2007, 08:06 PM
Hello again Denizens! :wavey:

Ask and you shall receive (well... eventually). In catching up on some old posts, I ran accross a mention (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1679320&postcount=2221)of the famous Butt Wiggle avi. So I decided to take it out of avi storage and display it again. :biggrin:

I must give credit where credit is due: I did comment on the wonderful wiggle after the episode aired, and have proudly displayed it on my avi many times since then, however the avi was made by the talented and generous JacksPatient.

I'm so happy to see that the Den is still filled with great discussions and Foxyhussy squeeing. I'm looking forward to seeing Lost again in the new year (luckily RL is helping the months fly by!) and can't wait to get back to some Jack discussion myself (hopefully RL will let me have some hussy time now and then!)

Bye for now!
~Shep~ :75:

ozge
11-22-2007, 04:35 AM
I Since Jack's usefulness to Ben is at an end, Ben doesn't think the island will let Jack return if he leaves.

if the island didnt want jack to leave in the first place, how could jack and kate managed to get off?
why the island doesnt want jack (and all the losties perhaps) to leave?
or why would the island let him leave?
and the most important thing if the island decides who to leave and who to return, will it let jack find the place ever again?

Well, he could have also told Jack: "Mr.X and Y are coming to the Island to [insert nefarious purpose]. You may not believe me, but Claire, who by the way is your sister, and Aaron will end up dead [insert other horrible consequences], these people will force you to lie, etc." The writers don't roll that way. The remaining Others were Tom, Ryan and the guy who got his neck snapped. The losties might be sheep, but there's quite a few of them so I don't think taking down Naomi and grabbing the phone with all of them there would have been an option.


that would be nice :cool: but if ben would have told jack the whole story we wouldnt be waiting for the new season to come and answer our questions or spend 8 months talking about a 5 minutes long FF scene :biggrin:


jane_eris reminded me of their continuous use of Alice/Through The Looking Glass allusions. In the first mobisode, Christian (previously seen roaming the Island in white sneakers) produces a watch from a white handkerchief. Now Jack's playing chess. I think their geekiness is endearing. :lol2:

wow the refence to Alice/TTLG is really interesting :cool:

I'm thinking that Ben knew for whatever reason that Jack would need/want to go back to the island. How he does I'm not so sure.
That's also my thoughts :)

Dany_E
11-22-2007, 10:41 AM
if the island didnt want jack to leave in the first place, how could jack and kate managed to get off?
why the island doesnt want jack (and all the losties perhaps) to leave?
or why would the island let him leave?
and the most important thing if the island decides who to leave and who to return, will it let jack find the place ever again?

I wasn't trying to say the island does or doesn't want Jack to leave. I'm saying that Ben believes it does or doesn't. The choices and desires are Ben's but he needs to believe they're the island's. And whenever anything happens that results in something that Ben wants, he attributes it to the island giving it to him. For example, Locke isn't some crazy guy who doesn't want anyone to leave the island. Locke is a tool used by the island to fulfill what Ben wants.

Mysticism is not my forte so I'm bumbling through this. Ben sees himself as a sort of priest of the island. He believes in it and believes if he does right by it, it will do right by him. He believes that if something is important to him, then, naturally it's important to the island. He sees himself as someone who knows the island and knows what it wants. I think however, that he's actually transferring his own wants and desires onto the island. In fact, we've seen that what has been important to Ben in the past (ie solving the pregnancy=death problem) is not important to people like Richard who, I believe, is really in tune with and belongs to the island. In fact, it would seem that the island, by killing pregnant women, is working at complete cross-purposes to what Ben wants.

I get the feeling that the "Man Behind The Curtain" is not Jacob, but Ben - who's managed to fool everyone, fool perhaps even himself up until this point, that he is in communion with the island. But I think Jacob stopped talking to Ben a while ago and is now talking to Locke.

My way of looking at it is that the island is an anomaly of time or electromagnetism. It clearly has properties that seem "magical" and would appear useful to mankind. However, the people who have landed there have made a religion out of it and, in so doing, are looking for some meaning in everything that happens there.

Am I making any sense?

Claudia815
11-22-2007, 11:43 AM
However, the people who have landed there have made a religion out of it and, in so doing, are looking for some meaning in everything that happens there.

Just like fandom. :lol2: Yes, you do make sense. I thought that's exactly what Ben was all about when he tells Jack about what the Island wants.

Ben wants Jack to have faith in the Island just like Locke do but of course it would means that Jack should have faith in Ben and Locke as well and for the moment he is not quite there yet and neither am I LOL :hammer:

What, you don't find Ben trustworthy enough to admit to him that you DO in fact intend to return to the island so you can get everyone out of there? What's wrong with you?

Hello again Denizens! :wavey:

Ask and you shall receive (well... eventually). In catching up on some old posts, I ran accross a mention (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1679320&postcount=2221)of the famous Butt Wiggle avi. So I decided to take it out of avi storage and display it again. :biggrin:

I must give credit where credit is due: I did comment on the wonderful wiggle after the episode aired, and have proudly displayed it on my avi many times since then, however the avi was made by the talented and generous JacksPatient.

I'm so happy to see that the Den is still filled with great discussions and Foxyhussy squeeing. I'm looking forward to seeing Lost again in the new year (luckily RL is helping the months fly by!) and can't wait to get back to some Jack discussion myself (hopefully RL will let me have some hussy time now and then!)

Bye for now!
~Shep~ :75:

:hug: I hope you do find time to drop by and we're all looking forward to the start of the season. One of the things I look forward to most is seeing a lot of our hussies return home. :kisss: And THANK YOU for the wiggling... I'm still transfixed...

Speaking of gratitude... A very HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all those who celebrate. Fandomwise I'm most of all grateful for you guys. You've made the hiatus not just bearable, but fun. Thank you for putting up with my rambling and for being the smart, funny and passionate Jack lovers you are. :heart:

We as a group have a lot to be grateful for and I'm glad we're enjoying The Jack Show (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TMFT/guhiwanthimsobadly.jpg)together.

I'm also very grateful for Frank (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/pull.jpg) this year. I know suzzzette and Bella and mom and flyer and TSTID can join in the gratitude. Thank you for the Frank sharing fun. :ntworthy:

Maxum
11-22-2007, 09:20 PM
I think he's yet to meet Mikhail and Richard (various red shirt Others such as the one who got Jack Bauered by Sayid in the finale don't count) and he hasn't interracted with some of the ones he's met (Mrs.Klugh). Also, I need to see more of Jack and Desmond. The impending news of Charlie's death might grant me my wish.

You're right! I completely forgot about Mikhail and Richard, and those would be interactions with Jack that I would definitely look forward to - especially Richard.

I agree that Jack and Desmond should have more scenes together. For some reason, I think there is more to their story than a chance encounter at a stadium (and in a underground bunker).

I think she still wanted to go back to the way things were, back when they did talk (Jack tells her "We don't even talk anymore" in the kitchen) and this was a last ditch attempt.

I don't think she wanted to go back because she was already on her way out. The fact that she doesn't even attempt to talk to Jack when he opens the door to communicate with her. This tells me that she doesn't want to attempt to fix anything. It's only after Jack tells Sarah about the kiss that Sarah has a jealous reaction. Does she really think that other women won't make a play for Jack?

Well, she is interested, but she only wants the version of him she idealized in her wedding toast.

Agreed. She wants the superhero but without any of the flaws.

Her bags were already packed, so I don't think that mattered much, but she was surprised that they'd become so distant that even Jack, the most committed man she's ever known, would be tempted to cheat. Does it makes sense that SHE'd be disappointed in him? It's human... Not really logical, but we're not always that way. Jealousy also makes sense if I look at it that way.

But she helped to create the distance. You can't stop communicating unless one or both parties contributes. The fact that Jack wanted to talk to Sarah about the possible pregnancy and Sarah shut him down tells me that she wants to drop hints at Jack that he's not living up to her expectations but that she doesn't actually want to fix any of the problems in the marriage.

I mean if I had a problem with my husband, I would want to discuss it. I wouldn't keep implying that you're not the person I married but then also refuse to explain why I feel that way. I'm not sure I'm explaining this properly. I really can't see Sarah's point of view in this but maybe it's because the writers haven't given me a peek into their lives since their marriage to help me understand her POV. From where I stand, Sarah wants to complain and imply failure when she's the one that cheated, but she doesn't want to actually try and fix the problem either.

Well, i'm a little anxious about the idea of posting here :redface: *cough* Franci *cough*

Welcome to the Fox Den, Live Together!! :biggrin:

I'm guessing that Jack's going to need Ben's help in getting back to the island. That's what the mobisode says to me anyhoo. Am I the only one that interpreted Ben's oh-so-knowing and smug manner in that way?

TSTID

I think so too. I just felt it was very telling that Ben said "remember this conversation." It's almost like he knew Jack was going to get off the island at some point and would also want to return. There was a lot of foreshadowing in that scene and not just about Jack's FF, but also, I believe, that Ben wanted Jack to remember that Ben prophesized the events.

I also thought it was interesting that Ben wanted Jack to consider staying. Now, it's not such a big leap to think that Ben would want a very capable surgeon in his camp, but after dealing with Jack and watching Jack for months, I'm surprised that Ben would think it that easy to get Jack to stay or even imply that he should want to stay. I just found it interesting.

suzzzette
11-23-2007, 12:23 AM
We as a group have a lot to be grateful for and I'm glad we're enjoying The Jack Show (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TMFT/guhiwanthimsobadly.jpg)together.

Oh, that pic is to die for. I miss him!!

I'm also very grateful for Frank (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/pull.jpg) this year. I know suzzzette and Bella and mom and flyer and TSTID can join in the gratitude. Thank you for the Frank sharing fun. :ntworthy:

Oh, Fraaaank! I am so very grateful for Frank. And last weekend I was bored and watched WAM (twice actually) and I gotta say - Foxy was just awesome in that movie. The first time I had seen it was on pay-per-view in a hotel on a tiny TV. I was travelling for work and exhausted. So, while I did enjoy it, I didn't really get to focus on it. The second (and third) time around, I was just really struck by how freakin' good he was - he was really the emotional center of the film. So, add Red to the list of things I'm grateful for. Oh, and for the wiggle avi as well. :biggrin: Thanks for bringing it back!

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

ozge
11-23-2007, 03:15 AM
I wasn't trying to say the island does or doesn't want Jack to leave. I'm saying that Ben believes it does or doesn't. The choices and desires are Ben's but he needs to believe they're the island's. And whenever anything happens that results in something that Ben wants, he attributes it to the island giving it to him. For example, Locke isn't some crazy guy who doesn't want anyone to leave the island. Locke is a tool used by the island to fulfill what Ben wants.

Mysticism is not my forte so I'm bumbling through this. Ben sees himself as a sort of priest of the island. He believes in it and believes if he does right by it, it will do right by him. He believes that if something is important to him, then, naturally it's important to the island. He sees himself as someone who knows the island and knows what it wants. I think however, that he's actually transferring his own wants and desires onto the island. In fact, we've seen that what has been important to Ben in the past (ie solving the pregnancy=death problem) is not important to people like Richard who, I believe, is really in tune with and belongs to the island. In fact, it would seem that the island, by killing pregnant women, is working at complete cross-purposes to what Ben wants.

I get the feeling that the "Man Behind The Curtain" is not Jacob, but Ben - who's managed to fool everyone, fool perhaps even himself up until this point, that he is in communion with the island. But I think Jacob stopped talking to Ben a while ago and is now talking to Locke.

My way of looking at it is that the island is an anomaly of time or electromagnetism. It clearly has properties that seem "magical" and would appear useful to mankind. However, the people who have landed there have made a religion out of it and, in so doing, are looking for some meaning in everything that happens there.

Am I making any sense?

nice thoughts about ben... but there is still someone-something called jacob which is connected with the mysteries of the island... ben was afraid of him and seemed like he was taking orders from jacob...
and IMO he is powerful enough to bring locke back to life in walt's shape... coz after ben shot locke he said "Well I certainly hope he helps you, John" and i believe thats what jacob did!

my point is i believe that its not just ben's imagination about the island... its not only about what ben believes or not... there is/has to be something with the island that we dont know yet... and i also believe that jack has some significance for the island, i think jack is there for a reason and its not only to operate ben...

lulinha_k
11-23-2007, 07:33 AM
Hey guys! :hug:
I made a new Jack-video... Popping just to share the link: here (http://www.zshare.net/video/50974989867bd6) (zshare) and here (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=H9KTvqfIZq8) (youtube, but the ZShare version is 100 times better...)
See ya! :wavey:

Claudia815
11-23-2007, 02:21 PM
I'm taking a break from eating (:thud:) and Christmas tree shopping...

Thanks, Luka. I love the angsty goodness. I don't know how you guys do that thing where we get flashbacks through Jack's aviators, but it's wicked cool. :clapping:

You're right! I completely forgot about Mikhail and Richard, and those would be interactions with Jack that I would definitely look forward to - especially Richard.

I'm afraid if they ever meet onscreen, I'll have a hard time restraining the giggles. Oh, Biiiiiiiiiiill (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ugxoNP8mN9Y). :lol2:

I wouldn't keep implying that you're not the person I married but then also refuse to explain why I feel that way.

Yeah, but you're not her. :dog:

From where I stand, Sarah wants to complain and imply failure when she's the one that cheated, but she doesn't want to actually try and fix the problem either.

She acts as if everything is Jack's responsibility and his fault anyway so it makes sense to me. And then of course she resents that he does feel like everything is his fault and he's the one who needs to fix it.

I think so too. I just felt it was very telling that Ben said "remember this conversation." It's almost like he knew Jack was going to get off the island at some point and would also want to return. There was a lot of foreshadowing in that scene and not just about Jack's FF, but also, I believe, that Ben wanted Jack to remember that Ben prophesized the events.

I thought it was so anvilicious for a reason, but I'm not sold on Ben's Des-like powers. Irony is a good storytelling device. If in the meantime I'm proven wrong and Jack really does cross paths with Ben in the future and tells him he wants to go back, then I guess I'm wrong. I don't think Ben was in the coffin, Jack was too affected by it. Unless he's suddenly changed his opinion of Ben after the finale and they've become closer after the rescue, I seriously doubt Jack would feel compelled to show up at his funeral.

There's a new promo for season four

and Ben tells someone: "I have information you need." We know from other pictures that he's in the jungle with Locke's group, so I doubt he's talking to Jack, but Ben's mindfraks will continue for a while. The fact that he is bargaining tells me he's still trying to fend off the consequences of the rescue (for himself) so again... I don't think he'd just be sitting there waiting for it to happen if he knew what was coming.

I also thought it was interesting that Ben wanted Jack to consider staying. Now, it's not such a big leap to think that Ben would want a very capable surgeon in his camp, but after dealing with Jack and watching Jack for months, I'm surprised that Ben would think it that easy to get Jack to stay or even imply that he should want to stay. I just found it interesting.

Well, he's gotta try. Wouldn't you? :lol2: OK, seriously... I think he was just joking and Jack took it that way judging from his reaction. I doubt Ben wanted Jack to want to stay or even considered that Jack would, he was just being flirty funny.

Oh, that pic is to die for.

Mmmmmmmm (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TMFT/eyes.jpg). I think I need to rewatch that episode ASAP. SO much pretty (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/TMFT/3x13_0202.jpg)... :thud:


And last weekend I was bored and watched WAM (twice actually) and I gotta say - Foxy was just awesome in that movie. The first time I had seen it was on pay-per-view in a hotel on a tiny TV. I was travelling for work and exhausted. So, while I did enjoy it, I didn't really get to focus on it. The second (and third) time around, I was just really struck by how freakin' good he was - he was really the emotional center of the film. So, add Red to the list of things I'm grateful for.


I think I need to rewatch it as well. That was a very good character and it was so cool to see him together with the real Red Dawson at the premiere. Only some... 10 weeks until Vantage Point. :jump1: Unlike Red, Agent Tightpants is not real so I shall.. per... appreciate at will. :hypocrit:

freckles_shephard
11-25-2007, 02:38 AM
Hey guys! :hug:
I made a new Jack-video... Popping just to share the link: here (http://www.zshare.net/video/50974989867bd6) (zshare) and here (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=H9KTvqfIZq8) (youtube, but the ZShare version is 100 times better...)
See ya! :wavey:
Great video. Thanks for sharing.

Happy Thansgiving to the US and Canadian hussy's:turkey:

Franci
11-25-2007, 04:33 AM
Morning Hussies :wavey: woke up from a Jack dream.again.
this time it had nothing to do with his hair but I've just rewatched the last Mobisode and the thought of getting to see him with that hair every wednesday,hit me again.I'm hyperventilating.
I mean,you know..Every.Wednesday. :thud:me needs season4 Jack now.

Lu that was a great vid! the parallels island/post island were perfect! great montage too!
beautiful :heart:

Mmmmmmmm I think I need to rewatch that episode ASAP. SO much pretty
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TMFT/eyes.jpg)

what's the episode for the next Jack marathon?

Claudia815
11-25-2007, 12:11 PM
I mean,you know..Every.Wednesday. :thud:

I know. And it's so close now, it seems unreal. If we do make it to the Hawaii premiere as planned, we promise to give you exclussive scoops three days in advance. A lot of fangirling will be involved. :biggrin:

what's the episode for the next Jack marathon?

I was thinking the nearest pervable suitable episode for a party would be Lockdown, but I'm a little busy next week with moving to the other coast and maybe Lost-related activities as well (I'll let you know if anything comes out of it). I really want to comment on some of the Hatch Monkey episodes in the middle of season two because Ben's scenes with Jack and Locke are even more interesting knowing what we know now. I don't know when I'm going to be able to do it, but you guys can go ahead without me and keep me in your thoughts if you want to party next week. If not, we can work something out when everyone's back from post-holiday haze.

:hug:

lulinha_k
11-26-2007, 05:42 AM
Hi again hussies! :hug:
I made a few new Jack icons. You can see them here (http://lulinha-k.livejournal.com/22187.html). :redface: ;) :kiss:

yas_m
11-26-2007, 05:59 AM
Hi again hussies! :hug:
I made a few new Jack icons. You can see them here (http://lulinha-k.livejournal.com/22187.html). :redface: ;) :kiss:

I gotta say it again, these are brilliant Luka!! Can't go wrong with some Jack icons ;)

Thanks for sharing :hug:

ozge
11-26-2007, 06:55 AM
Hey guys! :hug:
I made a new Jack-video... Popping just to share the link: here (http://www.zshare.net/video/50974989867bd6) (zshare) and here (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=H9KTvqfIZq8) (youtube, but the ZShare version is 100 times better...)
See ya! :wavey:

Hi again hussies! :hug:
I made a few new Jack icons. You can see them here (http://lulinha-k.livejournal.com/22187.html). :redface: ;) :kiss:

amazing vid and gorgeous icons :thumbup: :clapping:

workingmom
11-26-2007, 07:30 AM
Hey guys! :hug:
I made a new Jack-video... Popping just to share the link: here (http://www.zshare.net/video/50974989867bd6) (zshare) and here (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=H9KTvqfIZq8) (youtube, but the ZShare version is 100 times better...)
See ya! :wavey:

Gosh, luka, that was amazing! :clapping: Brilliant mirroring of future-Jack with the island as flashbacks. In Locke's words, "we're gonna have to watch that again."

lulinha_k
11-26-2007, 09:23 AM
I'm taking a break from eating (:thud:) and Christmas tree shopping...

Thanks, Luka. I love the angsty goodness. I don't know how you guys do that thing where we get flashbacks through Jack's aviators, but it's wicked cool. :clapping:.

Great video. Thanks for sharing.


Lu that was a great vid! the parallels island/post island were perfect! great montage too!
beautiful :heart:

I gotta say it again, these are brilliant Luka!! Can't go wrong with some Jack icons ;)

Thanks for sharing :hug:

amazing vid and gorgeous icons :thumbup: :clapping:

Gosh, luka, that was amazing! :clapping: Brilliant mirroring of future-Jack with the island as flashbacks. In Locke's words, "we're gonna have to watch that again."

Wow... thank you guys! You´re all made of awesome! :pile:
I love make videos...I wish I could do that for living, and not be working in this boring awesome office... :rolleyes:
Btw, all my videos are here at Lost Video Island (http://lostvideo.net/vidderprofile.php?var=Luka)... :redface:

Fate815
11-26-2007, 11:04 AM
Hey all! :) :) :)
(Banshee! :kiss: long time no see!)

Great vid and icons... and as usual, brilliant posts all around, with the right amount of intelligence, wit, insight, snark, and... just plain drooling, lol!

As a serial reader, serial lurker (and serial clicker here with all these oh so appealing links!...) on any thread related to Lost and Jack and MF... I must say you all "hussies" and regular fans never disappoint, always deliver! Kudos to all, and please... keep up this work of love! :thumbup1:

In honor of your Monday tradition, I brought some pics, because of this post from Claudia815:

Does anybody know if there are screencaps of the mobisodes anywhere? The quality of the video on abc.com allows for that.

Well, I captured the clip directly on abc.com, but it's mild quality (same thing on Lost Media) and kind of blurry… I made "crappy caps" though, here are three of my favs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Fate815/Lost/The%20Watch/020.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Fate815/Lost/The%20Watch/026.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Fate815/Lost/The%20Watch/054.jpg


The third one is so reminiscent (for us) and foreshadowing (for Jack) of this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-115-463.html) and this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-115-462.html):

Btw, Jack's reaction to that gesture really broke my heart in December 2004, when ATBCHDI aired…

You can see all the caps (I recommend the "view as slideshow" feature") here:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Fate815/Lost/The%20Watch/?start=20

The password is lost. Since it's just an album dedicated to MF, feel free to browse it! Always a good thing to start a week, lol!

Last but not least, here is a great video interview (http://www.allocine.fr/video/player_gen_cmedia=18738536&cserie=223.html)(July 2007) of the wonderful Jack Bender (another Jack to love, lol!), he talks about season 3, and Matthew Fox's work in TTLG...

Enjoy! :)

Forever_Erica
11-26-2007, 02:27 PM
I'm home....(*clicks ruby-red heels three times JUST to make sure....*) What a feeling.

I have missed so much and I'm too jet-lagged to go back and read it all. Forgive me. :redface: I hope that everyone had an amazing Thanksgiving! I know I did. Jack and I had some fun with all the famous Thanksgiving condiments....gravy....cranberry sauce....you name it and I'm pretty sure that I licked it off of him. :biggrin:

Hey guys! :hug:
I made a new Jack-video... Popping just to share the link: here (http://www.zshare.net/video/50974989867bd6) (zshare) and here (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=H9KTvqfIZq8) (youtube, but the ZShare version is 100 times better...)
See ya! :wavey:

Luka, amazing vid! You guys just blow me away with all the great vids and art. It makes me feel like I don't contribute a darn thing lol. GREAT WORK! :thumbsup:

Well, I captured the clip directly on abc.com, but it's mild quality (same thing on Lost Media) and kind of blurry… I made "crappy caps" though, here are three of my favs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Fate815/Lost/The%20Watch/020.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Fate815/Lost/The%20Watch/026.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Fate815/Lost/The%20Watch/054.jpg


Thank you, Fate815. Oh, what have I come back to? These are absolutely amazing and the best that I have seen of caps from that mobisode (One second please.....TEH HAIR! AHHHHHH!...Okay, I'm back).

The third one is so reminiscent (for us) and foreshadowing (for Jack) of this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-115-463.html) and this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-115-462.html)

This is very true. There is this difference of motive for Christian though in both scenes. In ATBCHDI, he knew just what to do, just where to touch to get Jack to sign those papers, but here in this mobisode, he's just trying to be a good father and give Jack something that was special to him and the line of Shephard men that came before him.

Btw, Jack's reaction to that gesture really broke my heart in December 2004, when ATBCHDI aired…

Oh yeah. It just showed us how in need he is of his father's love and approval. And the way that Christian put it, "...this is not just about my career, Jack. It's my life." He's putting so much on Jack in that moment, basically putting his life in Jack's hands. Jack finally has the opportunity to do something that will instantly satisfy his father, and I'm pretty sure that it felt bittersweet, the fact that he got some sign of love and affection, but there was a price laid upon it, there was a lie that Jack had to cover up.

I just wanted to hug it out with him until the sun came up ten thousand times over.


You can see all the caps (I recommend the "view as slideshow" feature") here:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Fate815/Lost/The%20Watch/?start=20

The password is lost. Since it's just an album dedicated to MF, feel free to browse it! Always a good thing to start a week, lol!

Thank you for your generosity. Christmas came SO early this year. ;)

P.S. Crap, one more thing, I really wanted to get in on the conversation about the last mobisode staring 'ours truly', but yeah, travelling takes it out of me, but the strength that I reserve for Jack is his and his alone. I just wanted to say that not only does the man play the piano, know his way around a game of poker, but he can play chess too! Man oh man, he is just rocking my socks in so many new ways. :naughty:

Erica

Claudia815
11-26-2007, 02:38 PM
Wow... thank you guys! You´re all made of awesome! :pile:
I love make videos...I wish I could do that for living, and not be working in this boring awesome office... :rolleyes:

I love that you love making pretty things that involve Jack. Wait till shoegirl comes back and sees you made her another black shirt. She's going to faint. :biggrin:



As a serial reader, serial lurker (and serial clicker here with all these oh so appealing links!...) on any thread related to Lost and Jack and MF... I must say you all "hussies" and regular fans never disappoint, always deliver! Kudos to all, and please... keep up this work of love! :thumbup1:

In honor of your Monday tradition, I brought some pics

1. Don't lurk anymore. C'mon, you're one of the original hussies, you have to join us more often. :biggrin:

2. Thank you so much for taking care of our art class while I'm in the throes of packing and moving madness. :hug: I liked the Jack Bender interview and I see his favorite episodes are my favorite episodes of season three.

3. Welcome back!

Mrs.B also capped this mobisode, there's a link to another photobucket account that a less busy hussy can share. BUT, I'm dying for caps from the new one, so whoever gets to it first, please!

Speaking of which... Is the Jack/Ben mobisode up on abc.com yet?



I'm home....(*clicks ruby-red heels three times JUST to make sure....*) What a feeling.

Welcome home, babe! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/shower.jpg)

Dany_E
11-26-2007, 04:01 PM
Welcome home, babe! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/shower.jpg)

Well that one just makes you want to leave so you can come home again!

This is apropos of nothing except Jack and Christian - but I love how Christian calls Jack "kiddo" on "The Watch" mobisode. I don't even know why it makes me smile but it does.

Forever_Erica
11-26-2007, 04:13 PM
Welcome home, babe! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/shower.jpg)

Thank you my 'fellow lover of all things Jack'....it's great to be amonst Hussies that I'm not related to by blood. My mother has gotten more intense for Dr. Sexy after seeing that mobisode where he puts her favorite pair of shades on in such a way where she's basically salivating all over the floor. I'm my mother's daughter alright. ;)

This is apropos of nothing except Jack and Christian - but I love how Christian calls Jack "kiddo" on "The Watch" mobisode. I don't even know why it makes me smile but it does.

YOU TOO!? Great, I thought that I was the only one who grinned everytime Christian called him 'kiddo'. To me, it's what a father, a normal father, who would play football with his son, who would go to every one of his son's soccer games, who would defend his son to his mother when he's done something bad, because 'boys will be boys', would called his son. This nickname can definitely apply to a daughter, but I like it on Jack and Christian, it suits them. I don't think that Christian has ever called Jack anything but his name in any of the scenes they were a part of previously, except for 'son', but never 'kiddo' or 'sport'. 'Kiddo', in my mind, evokes images of a young Jack and Christian in a boat, fishing in the middle of some serene setting. It was nice and a far cry from other scenes they've shared.

I'm losing my mind to sleep folks, don't mind me. :redface: These mobisodes are doing mean and vile things to my head, but oh do I love it.

Speaking of which... Is the Jack/Ben mobisode up on abc.com yet?

Sadly, no. I mean, they can get a 43-minute episode up over night, but they can't get a 3-minute clip up in a decent amount of time. The injustice!

Erica

lauradc1980
11-27-2007, 08:25 AM
I've just realized it has been 20 days since I didn't check this forum, and about one month (or maybe even more) since the last time I posted, so with my batteries charged after a great dose of morning caffeine, I decided to come back just because this is one of those places you can never quit forever. I'm going to try to catch up on what you've been posting, and once I'm done with that I'll get into the hot doctor hunting mode again.

That's all. Just wanted to say I'm here :biggrin:

Forever_Erica
11-27-2007, 02:41 PM
I've just realized it has been 20 days since I didn't check this forum, and about one month (or maybe even more) since the last time I posted, so with my batteries charged after a great dose of morning caffeine, I decided to come back just because this is one of those places you can never quit forever. I'm going to try to catch up on what you've been posting, and once I'm done with that I'll get into the hot doctor hunting mode again.

That's all. Just wanted to say I'm here :biggrin:

Well Laura, I'm so glad that you decided to return. You were missed. Sincerely. And I'm guessing all the Jack-perving is what ran those batteries down. Am I right? Huh? Huh? ;)

Welcome back buddy! :hug:

Erica

ozge
11-28-2007, 04:33 AM
a friend sent me an amazing jack video :thud: and the girls who made the vid used the song "sexy back" for the vid :naughty: i gotta say that the song fits perfect with Mr.Sexy!!! :drool:
i dont know if you guys already seen this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrvYRLzZrK0) if its already been seen and disscussed sorry :tomato1: but its worth it! LOL! :biggrin:

lauradc1980
11-28-2007, 06:31 AM
Well Laura, I'm so glad that you decided to return. You were missed. Sincerely. And I'm guessing all the Jack-perving is what ran those batteries down. Am I right? Huh? Huh? ;)

Welcome back buddy! :hug:

Erica

aawww thanks honey :hug:

and you're more than right, he has this effect on naughty fans.

I love your signature, by the way.

Franci
11-28-2007, 08:52 AM
Welcome back Laura :wavey: Doc (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/ttlgblue.jpg) Jack (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/lost3x18doc0067arkt0.jpg) has (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/finale7-1.jpg) missed (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/puppy52.png) you! (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/lost_3x05_tcol_180.jpg)

G'day Hussies,does anyone know if the third Mobisode is now on ABC? I can't find it and I would like some new caps of TEH hair to lighten up my wednesday :kiss:

workingmom
11-28-2007, 10:32 AM
Welcome back Laura :wavey: Doc (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/ttlgblue.jpg) Jack (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/lost3x18doc0067arkt0.jpg) has (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/finale7-1.jpg) missed (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/puppy52.png) you! (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/lost_3x05_tcol_180.jpg)

G'day Hussies,does anyone know if the third Mobisode is now on ABC? I can't find it and I would like some new caps of TEH hair to lighten up my wednesday :kiss:
Good to see you, Laura.

The "King of the Castle" mobisode is here on abc.com:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=index
and the video quality is excellent, and so is Jack Bender's eye for framing Jack's hand* (oh, was Ben in that shot too? :rolleyes: ). Check out Jack's smirk in the end. He just loathes Ben throughout while making nice, and Foxy plays that rather well.

*or maybe it's the director of photography, Michael Bonvillain.

Claudia815
11-28-2007, 11:57 AM
:heart:HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MRS.B! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg):heart:

I hope you can come back to us at least in this little corner of peaceful per... appreciation. Damn, this timezone change is messing with me. I'll be back later... I have to go check out the abc mobisode now.

oochie
11-28-2007, 12:24 PM
:birthday:


HAPPY BIRTHDAY MRS. B


:hb2:

Dany_E
11-28-2007, 01:04 PM
Have a happy birthday, Just a Button.:hb2:

yas_m
11-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Mrs. B! *checks watch*
*still the 28th here*

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:heart:HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MRS.B! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg):heart:

I hope you can come back to us at least in this little corner of peaceful per... appreciation. Damn, this timezone change is messing with me. I'll be back later... I have to go check out the abc mobisode now.


Clauds!! *pounce* How's the left coast treating you?:hug:

Claudia815
11-28-2007, 01:43 PM
I'm going to try to catch up on what you've been posting, and once I'm done with that I'll get into the hot doctor hunting mode again.

That's all. Just wanted to say I'm here :biggrin:

:hug: Welcome back home! It's always good to have you here. As you can see (or not... I'm not sure if abc.com works for non-us fans, but it's probably uploaded elsewhere as well), we've been treated to a few snippets of our hot doctor. They're just teasing us, making us miss him even more.

Because Mrs.B is awesome like that, she's the one giving us presents on her birthday, in this case, screencaps of "King Of The Castle". (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/?start=all)Thank you very, very much. :kisss:I love all the faces he makes at Ben as well as Ben's patented Ev0l Look (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0400.jpg). I could watch these two all day long. In fact, seein how I'm homebound until Friday, I probably will. This mobisode will be the perfect excuse for rewinding the Jack-Locke-Ben hatch scenes of season two.

I just wanted to say that not only does the man play the piano, know his way around a game of poker, but he can play chess too!

You forgot he can fly planes. Not kites, but whoever heard of girls swooning over kite fliers? :25:

Thank you my 'fellow lover of all things Jack'....it's great to be amonst Hussies that I'm not related to by blood. My mother has gotten more intense for Dr. Sexy after seeing that mobisode where he puts her favorite pair of shades on in such a way where she's basically salivating all over the floor. I'm my mother's daughter alright. ;)

Papper_Docka has made a hussy out of her grandmother, so you've got some catching up to do. Bring your mamma over here, she'll feel at home with us.



This nickname can definitely apply to a daughter, but I like it on Jack and Christian, it suits them.


If I'm not mistaken, Christian does call Claire exactly that when he says goodbye to her in Par Avion. My own (fandom) hussy mother can confirm or refute this, picking up on such details is her specialty.


i dont know if you guys already seen this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrvYRLzZrK0) if its already been seen and disscussed sorry :tomato1: but its worth it! LOL! :biggrin:

Thanks, ozge!
:lol2: I love the Santa Jack picture at the beginning. Can I have that under my Christmas tree on Christmas morning? Pleeeeeease? I'll settle for the six inch doll version, but still... :innocent:


Clauds!! *pounce* How's the left coast treating you?:hug:

It's confusing the heck out of me and I won't get to see much for the first couple of days, but it's all good.

Franci
11-28-2007, 03:35 PM
Claudia,cara :hug: now you're even more far away from me *sigh*

O H M Y G O D those screencaps!!!!! notice Jack Bender's brilliant use of the camera.you think it might be difficult to put TEH hands in every (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/0429.jpg) possible shot (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/0453.jpg), from every possible (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0360.jpg) different angle (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/0407.jpg) ? well, not (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0345.jpg) for (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0166.jpg) him (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0325.jpg) . aw Jack, we :heart: you

workingmom
11-28-2007, 03:38 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Christian does call Claire exactly that when he says goodbye to her in Par Avion. My own (fandom) hussy mother can confirm or refute this, picking up on such details is her specialty.
Oh indeed, and I didn't have to look it up. I remember smiling when Christian called her "kiddo" too since it's just a poignant gesture of affection in an otherwise ill-fated relationship. Kind of like in Rent when the guitarist strums out the La Boheme theme - it was just a sad reminder of the greatness that Rent was not. *dodges tomatoes from Rent fans* :tomato1:

hellybongo
11-28-2007, 04:02 PM
Claudia,cara :hug: now you're even more far away from me *sigh*

O H M Y G O D those screencaps!!!!! notice Jack Bender's brilliant use of the camera.you think it might be difficult to put TEH hands in every (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/0429.jpg) possible shot (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/0453.jpg), from every possible (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0360.jpg) different angle (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/0407.jpg) ? well, not (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0345.jpg) for (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0166.jpg) him (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0325.jpg) . aw Jack, we :heart: you

Don't those screencaps just do it though - That whole scene has so much going on its untrue. And the caps are just a treasure for sure:biggrin:

Just A Button
11-28-2007, 05:37 PM
:heart:HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MRS.B! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg):heart:

I hope you can come back to us at least in this little corner of peaceful per... appreciation. Damn, this timezone change is messing with me. I'll be back later... I have to go check out the abc mobisode now.



:birthday:


HAPPY BIRTHDAY MRS. B


:hb2:




Have a happy birthday, Just a Button.:hb2:

Mrs. B! *checks watch*
*still the 28th here*

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Clauds!! *pounce* How's the left coast treating you?:hug:


You guys are the best :heart: Thank you so much :kiss: And Clauds, flyer knows you pretty well ;D She knew you'd pull that picture out :p And no worries, I will be back in full shape as soon as that move is finally behind me.


Because Mrs.B is awesome like that, she's the one giving us presents on her birthday, in this case, screencaps of "King Of The Castle". (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/?start=all)Thank you very, very much. :kisss:I love all the faces he makes at Ben as well as Ben's patented Ev0l Look (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/mobisodes/mobisode%203/0400.jpg). I could watch these two all day long. In fact, seein how I'm homebound until Friday, I probably will. This mobisode will be the perfect excuse for rewinding the Jack-Locke-Ben hatch scenes of season two. Ha, I am indeed, huh? :cool: :p He, it was a pleasure and you know I'd do everything for my hussies :biggrin:

ozge
11-29-2007, 02:56 AM
Thanks, ozge!
:lol2: I love the Santa Jack picture at the beginning. Can I have that under my Christmas tree on Christmas morning? Pleeeeeease? I'll settle for the six inch doll version, but still... :innocent:

hahaha you're hilarious :biggrin: i guess that would be the best christmas present ever for all the jack/foxy fans!!! :cool:


this is not really a spoiler however i spoiler tagged it just in case!!!! :cool:

S4 promos are coming on December!!! (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/)

from E!Online:
This just in: Lost is coming to the big screen!
Oh, how I wish I could tell you our beloved Evie, Matthew and Josh are starring in a movie version of the show we so adore, but this is pretty much the next best thing: Sources tell me ABC has secured a deal to air promos for the upcoming fourth season of Lost (with new footage!) before all movies rated PG and above in Screenvision and NCM chains in December.
Hear that? It's the sound of this die-hard couch potato running out to buy my tickets!
And by the way, this also means ABC thinks the new season of Lost is so good, it warrants such play. I've heard from Alphabet-net insiders that the upcoming eight episodes filmed so far are "crazy good" and will "even satisfy the haters." So, if you're already starting to feel the fourth-season fever, sound off below, will ya?
And if you're headed for the aforementioned theaters, don't you dare think about hitting the bathroom before the show...


ok i'm sure our beloved lost fans will find a way to put the promos on youtube as soon as they start to air the promos on threatres coz otherwise i have to pack my bags and move in US and since i dont have money for that i would have to rob a bank just to watch S4 promos :rolleyes:

anyways cant believe we're getting new footage from the new season!!! cant wait to see jack!!!!
(http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/)

Claudia815
11-29-2007, 01:26 PM
And Clauds, flyer knows you pretty well ;D She knew you'd pull that picture out :p

Well... it IS a tradition around here now. She made it, I just wanted to share the gift and what better visual for a celebration than that big red bow? :3:

hahaha you're hilarious :biggrin: i guess that would be the best christmas present ever for all the jack/foxy fans!!! :cool:

I'd even move the Christmas tree closer to the bed.


this is not really a spoiler however i spoiler tagged it just in case!!!! :cool:

S4 promos are coming on December!!! (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/)


No, it's not a spoiler, unless you don't want to be spoiled about the existence of season four. I'm very excited about seeing Jack and co. on the big screen, even if it's for a few seconds. I never really wanted a movie because I don't trust them not to screw with the characters to fit the new format, but this is perfect and a pretty smart move by ABC, all hail Steve!

In other big screen news, oochie tells me we'll have the first glimpse of Speed Racer on December 7th in a trailer before The Golden Compass. (I know a couple of hussies who are big Daniel Craig fans so this should be double the fun ;)) I fully expect them to show nothing but the super fast car because that's the main attraction for most of the nerdy crowd, but I'm sure we'll get a glimpse of Racer X and his suit sooner or later. :cool:

Rewind thoughts coming soon.

freckles_shephard
11-29-2007, 01:28 PM
Happy Belated Birthday Button:party::hapybday::hb2::bdaygrin:

hahaha you're hilarious :biggrin: i guess that would be the best christmas present ever for all the jack/foxy fans!!! :cool:


this is not really a spoiler however i spoiler tagged it just in case!!!! :cool:

S4 promos are coming on December!!! (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/)


ok i'm sure our beloved lost fans will find a way to put the promos on youtube as soon as they start to air the promos on threatres coz otherwise i have to pack my bags and move in US and since i dont have money for that i would have to rob a bank just to watch S4 promos :rolleyes:

anyways cant believe we're getting new footage from the new season!!! cant wait to see jack!!!!
(http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/)

Oh this is so cool. seeing previews on the big screen. I wish I lived in the US too.

workingmom
11-29-2007, 02:22 PM
Random Shephard question: We now know that Christian was a far-wandering womanizer, but were there any examples of that by the time he told Jack "There's a line" and Jack said "You should know, Dad" in The Hunting Party? I can't quite remember any. :34853_huh:
Two for the Road came after that where 1) he lamely propositioned Ana but not for that and 2) we found out he most probably had an illegitimate daughter in Australia.
So by the time ATOTC comes along it's a plausible idea that Christian could be fooling around with Sarah. (I didn't think he was, but I admit the possibility was there.)

Claudia815
11-29-2007, 04:03 PM
Random Shephard question: We now know that Christian was a far-wandering womanizer, but were there any examples of that by the time he told Jack "There's a line" and Jack said "You should know, Dad" in The Hunting Party? I can't quite remember any. :34853_huh:
Two for the Road came after that where 1) he lamely propositioned Ana but not for that and 2) we found out he most probably had an illegitimate daughter in Australia.
So by the time ATOTC comes along it's a plausible idea that Christian could be fooling around with Sarah. (I didn't think he was, but I admit the possibility was there.)

There wasn't really any anvilicious red herring (except maybe for Christian naming Ana "Sarah", which John Terry delivered with magnificent creepiness), but I think the character was so tightly written that you just get a sense that he really IS that guy. He's an alcoholic, he's fairly self-centered and responsibility and committment is definitely not what makes him tick. And then there's also Margo's two minutes of screentime, which were enough to put a huge dysfunctional label on the nonexistent family portrait. (In the original script, Jack tells Margo: "You ever noticed there are no pictures of me around here? Or you for that matter...")

shmyshmy
11-29-2007, 10:34 PM
Random Shephard question: We now know that Christian was a far-wandering womanizer, but were there any examples of that by the time he told Jack "There's a line" and Jack said "You should know, Dad" in The Hunting Party? I can't quite remember any. :34853_huh:
Two for the Road came after that where 1) he lamely propositioned Ana but not for that and 2) we found out he most probably had an illegitimate daughter in Australia.
So by the time ATOTC comes along it's a plausible idea that Christian could be fooling around with Sarah. (I didn't think he was, but I admit the possibility was there.)

I've asked myself the same thing. I knew Jack had daddy issues, but thinking his father had an affair with his ex-wife really left me :frown: was their relationship that bad? I guess so. Jack's comment "You should know, Dad" makes me wonder how much does he know about his father's other life, maybe he knew he had had another family or something like that and he won't be that shocked when he realizes that he has a sister, of course he will be shocke when he finds out who is that sister :p if he ever does. Anyway, I don't think Christian was a womanizer, but Jack knew about his history with Claire's mother without really knowing the details, that's just my guess ...:redface:

workingmom
11-29-2007, 11:33 PM
I've asked myself the same thing. I knew Jack had daddy issues, but thinking his father had an affair with his ex-wife really left me :frown: was their relationship that bad? I guess so. Jack's comment "You should know, Dad" makes me wonder how much does he know about his father's other life, maybe he knew he had had another family or something like that and he won't be that shocked when he realizes that he has a sister, of course he will be shocke when he finds out who is that sister :p if he ever does. Anyway, I don't think Christian was a womanizer, but Jack knew about his history with Claire's mother without really knowing the details, that's just my guess ...:redface:
Thanks, guys. I just suddenly wondered if I'd missed something.
I'm not sure if Jack was aware of the Australian connection; more likely I bet he observed hints or evidence of his father's straying right before his eyes - with other hospital personnel or something. He may have never confronted him on specifics until ATOTC. Since it's background supposition, who knows. :shrug:
Heh - finally a case where a character knew more about another character than the audience did. Usually it's the other way around and we're shouting "say his name!" at the TV.

shmyshmy
11-29-2007, 11:45 PM
Heh - finally a case where a character knew more about another character than the audience did. Usually it's the other way around and we're shouting "say his name!" at the TV.

So true, that almost never happens between the characters. And yes I find myself yelling at my TV during Lost quite often :redface:

Perdue
11-30-2007, 02:03 AM
I guess I must be the odd (wo)man out in some respects because I never thought that Sarah was having an affair with Jack's dad or even that we were supposed to suspect that. I thought we were just to see how upset and almost blinded by sadness and jealousy Jack was that he even was willing to consider his dad. I never thought that Sarah was sleazy enough to be with both father AND son. (Can I add a little yuck to that thought?)

I think Jack and Claire are going to be shocked when they learn their connection. Claire, maybe not so much because she already knew that Christian had another life. But I think Jack is going to be stunned. I really wonder how they are going to reveal it. I keep thinking that Juliet will play a big part in that scene.

ozge
11-30-2007, 03:10 AM
There wasn't really any anvilicious red herring (except maybe for Christian naming Ana "Sarah", which John Terry delivered with magnificent creepiness
there is also this deleted scene from ATOTC where a little girl told jack not to trust Sarah! but i dunno whether or not its a hint about the possibilty of an affair between his father and sarah! :shifty1:

I've asked myself the same thing. I knew Jack had daddy issues, but thinking his father had an affair with his ex-wife really left me :frown: was their relationship that bad? I guess so. Jack's comment "You should know, Dad" makes me wonder how much does he know about his father's other life, maybe he knew he had had another family or something like that and he won't be that shocked when he realizes that he has a sister, of course he will be shocke when he finds out who is that sister :p if he ever does. Anyway, I don't think Christian was a womanizer, but Jack knew about his history with Claire's mother without really knowing the details, that's just my guess ...:redface:

maybe he even knew about Austraila thats why he wasnt really worried about his father being there for months and didnt call his mother! :shrug:

Claudia815
11-30-2007, 02:11 PM
Anyway, I don't think Christian was a womanizer, but Jack knew about his history with Claire's mother without really knowing the details, that's just my guess ...:redface:

I don't see any reason why Jack and Margo wouldn't be in the know at least about him having a mistress in Australia without knowing all the details and the answer to Jack's question: "So where is he now?" may not have come as a surprise for either of them. Either way, I do think Jack knew his father had wandering eyes. Christian didn't bother to deny he did cross that line (ie, that he did cheat on his wife), he just said it maybe be OK for him other people, but it's not OK for Jack.

PS: Bunny, I love that avi. It's very cool.

On with the show. I loved watching season two on DVD with my best friend. The string of what I like to call Hatch Monkey episodes is excellent in retrospect, I love watching Ben, Jack and Locke interact knowing what I know now. First off though, we have two interim episodes to get out of the way.

The Jack Show Fastforward Rewind: Fire&Water: The One With Unfortunate Biblical Imagery

(I even liked this one in retrospect because Charlie does drown...)

Say what you will about Ana Lucia, but hers is the most memorable moment in the whole episode, even though apparently that's not how it was originally scripted. I wonder if Michelle Rodriguez gave it that authentic "Compton meets Bel Air" flavor between these two angelenos. (I'm using spoiler tags to cut space in a long post, but this is season 2 stuff)



ANA LUCIA
You told me what the guy said. You
didn’t tell me what turned you
around. What made you come back.

JACK
He had a gun to Kate’s head.
A beat. Ana nods. Good excuse. Continues working. Then --

ANA LUCIA
You sleeping with her?

JACK
Excuse me?

Ana keeps putting up the tarp. There’s no cutesiness to this, just a statement of fact --

ANA LUCIA

Plane crash. You both survive. Nice beach. She’s hot, you’re hot... that’s what people do.



I liked Ana's "You hittin that?" question much better because it got a much cuter reaction than what was scripted:



A beat. Jack’s flattered. Hasn’t really thought of himself as “hot” in a long :censored: time. [Like he ever does...] Then, he flashes a bemused (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/season%202/12%20Fire%20and%20Water/whatistohit.jpg)/SMILE (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/season%202/12%20Fire%20and%20Water/omgstopbeingsodamncute.jpg) -- appreciating her for coming right out and asking --

"Hittin' that?Is that folklore from parts of LA I've only ever seen on a map?" (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/season%202/12%20Fire%20and%20Water/whatistohit.jpg)


JACK

I’m not sleeping with her.

Ana Lucia gives him a look, but NOT a look of disappointment.



They cut the next part, but damn that mysoginistic dictator for not wanting to put Kate in a position where she'd have a gun to her throat again.



ANA LUCIA



She any good with a gun?

And Jack’s playful demeanor suddenly DROPS away in an instant. LEVELS Ana with a stare that seems to say “Do not even :censored:ing go there.” Ana Lucia does just that --But she keeps it light -- holds up her hands, mock surrender.


ANA LUCIA (CONT’D)

Hey, man -- just asking.


Yasy, I saved this picture of Dr.Jack splayness (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/season%202/12%20Fire%20and%20Water/architecture.jpg)especially for you. :biggrin: Here we have the horribly judging judger of a man telling Charlie he needs to know he's not going to try to burn down the camp again because that's what any self-respecting dictator does: asks you to pretty please (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/season%202/12%20Fire%20and%20Water/Lost_2x12_Fire1.jpg)promise not to do it again. The multitalented hands are also in great form, taking surgery to new levels as an extreme sport. Watching that hook go into Charlie's skin (yeah, I know it's prosthetic) made me squirm like something out of Hemingway.

shmyshmy
11-30-2007, 07:59 PM
PS: Bunny, I love that avi. It's very cool.


Thanks

yas_m
12-01-2007, 03:59 AM
Yasy, I saved this picture of Dr.Jack splayness (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/season%202/12%20Fire%20and%20Water/architecture.jpg)especially for you. :biggrin:

:hypocrit: I love the name of the pic too. This place is so intellectual, it scares me ;)

I just deleted all the booting files on my office computer so it's been sent to the IT person, and I killed my laptop, so sneaking in on a coworker's while he's on a toilet break, shhhhhh. More on the awesomeness of splayness later

kickflip_chick
12-01-2007, 07:49 AM
It's finally Jack month on the LOST calendar!!!!!!
:clap: :73happy::75happy::14happy::74happy::clapping:

shoegirl
12-01-2007, 01:23 PM
It's finally Jack month on the LOST calendar!!!!!!
:clap: :73happy::75happy::14happy::74happy::clapping:

Dare I say it, of course I will, They saved the BEST for last! :biggrin:

Oh, I am so ready to have Dr. Sexy back on my screen.

I Choose Jack!

shoe

Forever_Erica
12-01-2007, 02:34 PM
Random Shephard question: We now know that Christian was a far-wandering womanizer, but were there any examples of that by the time he told Jack "There's a line" and Jack said "You should know, Dad" in The Hunting Party? I can't quite remember any. :34853_huh:

This is a great question Mom. I don't think that there was, but I think that Jack had some idea that his father was being unfaithful. Maybe through Margo, or other colleagues in the hospital. I mean, I'm just putting ideas out there. It seemed to me that Chrisitan made some sort of habit of going down under a lot (as evidenced by what he told Claire in "Par Avion", that he would visit her and sing songs to her), but did Margo know about Carol?

I'm thinking that Christian started to make excuses to Margo, maybe some medical conference every year was held in Australia and he attended, only to see Carol and Claire. Maybe Jack, as a kid or a teenager, or even later than that, overheard something or saw something that indicated that his father was being unfaithful. We haven't seen enough of Margo to get what she knows about the situation of her husband being a womanizer and if she had any idea at all, and if not, then how the h*** would Jack know?

Two for the Road came after that where 1) he lamely propositioned Ana but not for that and 2) we found out he most probably had an illegitimate daughter in Australia.

This is interesting to me, because in "White Rabbit" (which has a timeline set after THP, so please bear with me), Margo said, "He's gone Jack." Jack is like, "Okay, he's gone, what am I suppose to do about that?". Here is what was said:


MARGO: Your father's gone Jack. Did you hear what I said? He's gone Jack.
JACK: He'll be back.
MARGO: This time it's different. I want you to bring him back.


'This time'? Okay, so this isn't the first time that Chriistian has disappeared into the night sky. Margo says, "This time it's different..." Okay, what does that mean primarily? The last times he left were to visit his illegimate daughter, and now it's because his son told the truth and ultimately ruined his medical career? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it and it's different because she wants Jack to go after him this time.

And the thing about it is that Margo knows that Christian is in Australia. Why Australia and how did she deduce that so quickly? Did he tell her before he left? Again, does Margo know about Carol and Claire and is afraid that that's where Christian is headed? I don't know what Margo meant by saying 'this time it's different', but I get the feeling that she knows that Christian doesn't take care of himself and will find someone who will. And Jack is convinced that he's coming back, because it seems to be a pattern of an alcoholic parent, they go off and handle things with alcohol, finding solace in their lonesome....Jack seems to know the game.

So by the time ATOTC comes along it's a plausible idea that Christian could be fooling around with Sarah. (I didn't think he was, but I admit the possibility was there.)

Christian and Sarah.......ewwwwww. The possibility is there and I have to say that Jack was just about ready to throw down when Christian cell phone rings in that scene in his office. All in all, the possibility was there.

Erica

P.S. I want to :Welcome: BunnyNumber8 to the Den! We are glad to have you. :biggrin:

Claudia815
12-01-2007, 02:59 PM
This place is so intellectual, it scares me ;)

Well, we're no philosophy luminaries, but we try. In fact, because as some of you know TSTID is vacationing in Hawaii, I will atempt to do the next rewind in verse in her honor. I make no promises and I am not under any delusions of ever matching her skillz, but should the muse visit me tonight, I expect to have a little ditty ready to be illustrated very soon.

It's finally Jack month on the LOST calendar!!!!!!
:clap: :73happy::75happy::14happy::74happy::clapping:

Amy! :hug: Well, every month is Jack month in our calendar. I think he's Mr.January in the 2008 version, right?

Margo says, "This time it's different..." Okay, what does that mean primarily?

That he's gone to meet with the other Hanso Foundation men in a smoke-filled room somewhere in a super sekkrit location. *cue omnious music* Also? He totally faked his own death in that morgue. (Hides from Dany :p)

As we've seen in Do No Harm, Jack's used to waiting around for his father when he needs him. Christian was flying in from somewhere, but never bothered to call to say he was late. He was probably quite the traveller, both for professional and personal reasons. I think he needed Ana Lucia's services to protect him from himself and it came in handy when he went to look for Claire. This was probably not his first drinking binge escapade so that's what I take it to mean now.

Franci
12-01-2007, 03:39 PM
we're no philosophy luminaries, but we try

we should write a book tho. A Jack Bible.who knows.generation of Hussies might use it as their main school book one day.wouldn't we all like to hand on some of the contemporaneous Hussy wisdom to the young minds of the future?

Christian and Sarah.......ewwwwww. The possibility is there and I have to say that Jack was just about ready to throw down when Christian cell phone rings in that scene in his office. All in all, the possibility was there.

yep.they hinted it.thank god it was a red herring.We already hate Sarah for too many reasons.that would have been a little too much!

I liked Ana's "You hittin that?"

bwahah.I loved that scene.I love when he looks so taken aback(like right after Juliet kissed him) like he thinks people would never find him attractive or sexy "wha..?are you talking to me about that?like..about sex?if I'm having sex with someone? and btw..you think I'm hot?" :blushing: aw,cute. yes Jack, sometimes people tend to think about sex when they happen to be near you


It's finally Jack month on the LOST calendar!!!!!!


saving the best for last!

yas_m
12-01-2007, 05:14 PM
I GOT MY S3 DVDS!!!!!!! which was a pleasant surprise because last time I checked they said they won't be released till mid December :73happy:

shmyshmy
12-01-2007, 07:39 PM
I GOT MY S3 DVDS!!!!!!! which was a pleasant surprise because last time I checked they said they won't be released till mid December :73happy:

YAY ! I'm so happy for you :biggrin: ! And right now I'm kicking myself for not ordering them :mad: ! Bad Bad Bunny! :p

workingmom
12-01-2007, 09:38 PM
:hypocrit: I love the name of the pic too. This place is so intellectual, it scares me ;) Well that's your fault, you know. Give us a little information and we become dangerous. :cool:

This is a great question Mom. I don't think that there was, but I think that Jack had some idea that his father was being unfaithful. Maybe through Margo, or other colleagues in the hospital. I mean, I'm just putting ideas out there. It seemed to me that Chrisitan made some sort of habit of going down under a lot (as evidenced by what he told Claire in "Par Avion", that he would visit her and sing songs to her), but did Margo know about Carol?

I'm thinking that Christian started to make excuses to Margo, maybe some medical conference every year was held in Australia and he attended, only to see Carol and Claire. Maybe Jack, as a kid or a teenager, or even later than that, overheard something or saw something that indicated that his father was being unfaithful. We haven't seen enough of Margo to get what she knows about the situation of her husband being a womanizer and if she had any idea at all, and if not, then how the h*** would Jack know?

This is interesting to me, because in "White Rabbit" (which has a timeline set after THP, so please bear with me), Margo said, "He's gone Jack." Jack is like, "Okay, he's gone, what am I suppose to do about that?". Here is what was said:


MARGO: Your father's gone Jack. Did you hear what I said? He's gone Jack.
JACK: He'll be back.
MARGO: This time it's different. I want you to bring him back.

'This time'? Okay, so this isn't the first time that Chriistian has disappeared into the night sky. Margo says, "This time it's different..." Okay, what does that mean primarily? The last times he left were to visit his illegimate daughter, and now it's because his son told the truth and ultimately ruined his medical career? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it and it's different because she wants Jack to go after him this time.

And the thing about it is that Margo knows that Christian is in Australia. Why Australia and how did she deduce that so quickly? Did he tell her before he left? Again, does Margo know about Carol and Claire and is afraid that that's where Christian is headed? I don't know what Margo meant by saying 'this time it's different', but I get the feeling that she knows that Christian doesn't take care of himself and will find someone who will. And Jack is convinced that he's coming back, because it seems to be a pattern of an alcoholic parent, they go off and handle things with alcohol, finding solace in their lonesome....Jack seems to know the game.

Ah, I'd forgotten her saying "this time it's different." That could speak to other times where he'd just disappeared, and that would be enough to put in Jack's head (and ours) that Christian was off on a hound-dog escapade, or a drinking binge, somewhere. What a difficult family life.

I do wish they could get Victoria Hamel for more flashback appearances. I'd like to see more of her interaction with Jack to see if she had any heart. She's probably best friends with Sarah. :devil1:

Claudia815
12-01-2007, 10:07 PM
mom, I'd love to see more of Margo, especially in re: Claire. I think they would manage to make her a 3D character. I don't know... she might not have liked Sarah because Christian obviously did.

OK, I got caught up in other projects, but I've had this in mind for a while.

Since Amy mentioned a calendar, I hereby declare open the festivities of The Jack Advent Calendar. Every day in December we're going to open one window into our favorite character's story and decorate it whichever way you choose. Bring over your favorite video, make graphics, wallpapers, comment on what you like about the scene, bring your favorite quote about Jack... anything you can leave under our Jack Lovefest tree.

To quote my dearly departed Mr.Eko: "I'll start with the beginning." (But not THAT far back ;) )

When I fell in love... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3rh0GJbOQY&feature=related)

I love looking back at these scenes everytime we go deeper into the story and learn a little more about Jack. Hero might be a dirty word these days, but it applies here to a man who was already traumatized before the crash, like most of them.

I know Helly has made some cool videos with this footage, but I was in a rush to get the Calendar started while it's still December 1st on the East Coast. If you guys find anything or make anything, start over the festivites and put the first candy cane on our tree. :essen:

lulinha_k
12-01-2007, 10:10 PM
Gosh, I miss you guys! :hug:
Thank God we have such amazing posters here.

workingmom
12-01-2007, 11:09 PM
mom, I'd love to see more of Margo, especially in re: Claire. I think they would manage to make her a 3D character. I don't know... she might not have liked Sarah because Christian obviously did. Come to think of it, she may have had a few choice words for her on the duty of a doctor's wife to suck it up and live with the long hours. Heaven knows that's the least Margo had to learn to live with. Sarah had it a lot easier with Jack without the alcoholic binges and the disappearing.

Since Amy mentioned a calendar, I hereby declare open the festivities of The Jack Advent Calendar. Every day in December we're going to open one window into our favorite character's story and decorate it whichever way you choose. Bring over your favorite video, make graphics, wallpapers, comment on what you like about the scene, bring your favorite quote about Jack... anything you can leave under our Jack Lovefest tree.


I always loved opening the doors, and I put it up against the window so the light would shine through. So in honor of doors, this is what's behind Door No. December 1 (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x16/2/2x16-truth-cap176.jpg).

flyer61055
12-01-2007, 11:21 PM
Just a quick guest appearance to let you guys know I think you're all as classy as they come. It's great that during this absurdly long hiatus when there is nothing new in LOST land to discuss you find such positive and fun ways to pass the time. What's more fun than obsessing over the star of LOST? Ummm........nothing as far as I'm concerned. I'm going to enjoy reading the 24 days of Jack and what better way to start it.

Those first 10 minutes introduced us to Jack, to the man whose eyes we would be seeing this story through. Those first 10 minutes show us what Jack is made of and why Jack will be leading us through this adventure. The way he ran around triaging the injured with no regard to his own injury or personal safety and the sarcasm toward Boone over the ink pens only to thank him later and take them from him as if he'd accomplished something meaningful in finding all those pens for Jack gave us a glimpse of the Jack that would be leading and looking out for what would come to be known as "his people" for the next 90+ days.

Then we see that Jack did all this with a bleedng 6-inch gash in his back and this shows us why Jack is the hero, not because he strives to be a hero, but simply because he is heroic by nature.

Jack does what he does without thinking. Every move he makes comes from the heart and then the head and his personal needs and safety are never a priority. So yeah Claudia it's okay to call this man a hero, because that's what he is and what he has continued to be throughout the survivor's ordeal. Heroes aren't perfect and they don't come riding in on white horses. The first 10 minutes of LOST introduced us to what we would come to know and love as a perfectly flawed man, whose heart is always in the right place, and whose noble and selfless acts make him heroic.

Great choice for the first day. I pick this (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z188/flyer61055/normal1x01159sn6.jpg) to be waiting for us when we open the little door. That would be in chocolate of course since that is what is typically hiding behind those little doors. :kiss:

You guys have fun with this! I miss those of you I don't get a chance to talk Jack with anymore and I look forward to each new day of the advent calendar. :)

Claudia815
12-01-2007, 11:57 PM
Just wanted to sneak Helly's video (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ly9QXEIrrU)in before midnight and my pick for Door 1 screencap (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Pilot/pilotbootay.jpg)(thank you, oochie! :ntworthy:) so I'll comment more in an edit, but I gotta say... I guess Jack really is a miracle worker. Welcome home! :kisss:

Franci
12-02-2007, 04:14 AM
Welcome home Flyer :hug: you've been missed! that was a beautiful post.I obviously agree with every single word.

Me likes Jack's Advent Calendar! great idea Clauds (so everyone is gonna choose their own Door screencap every day right ?)
my December 1st cap needs to be the one with the tear rolling down his cheek (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=686554ha0.jpg)

yas_m
12-02-2007, 04:44 AM
Welcome home Flyer! :hug: pass by more often, we miss you here.

Brilliant idea with the Jack Advent Calendar Clauds!
I am not sure if my door screencap falls under December 1st or 2nd (although I think we're all now on the 2nd) but here goes, I pick the moment Jack finally stopped to realize the magnitude of what has happened to them (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/Season%20One/1x01%20Pilot/bscap076.jpg). I love this moment because it says much about who jack really is. His first instinct was to help those around him, despite his own injury, and then after doing that he takes a moment to look at the bigger picture and see himself in that bigger picture and realize how :censored: up they are. It also shows Jack isolating himself to let his true emotions come through (and later isolate himself even more to check on his own injury/weakness) which I think comes as a result of having one Christian Shephard as a father. And then later when Boone comes with the pens he is back to his composed self thanking Boone. And can I say just how amazing that picture is with the inside of the fuselage in the foreground and that arm dangling like that *shivers*

shoegirl
12-02-2007, 10:34 AM
Hey Foxes!

:41: So glad to see Flyer. And well said my dear, well said. We do have something to be proud of here in the Den. It is very good, mature, and respectful (especially to the writers and all the actors) to be more about loving and honoring your favorite character (and actor) than hating another. And man, do we have the Jack and Foxy love around here. :malelove: :malelove: Almost 100,000 views!!


Ooohhh, how did I miss the discussion about the advent calendar. Well, I may have missed Day 1, but here is my contribution for DAY 2 (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/eyesofahero.jpg). Can I say, I don't think I have seen this picture too much, and I love the eyes in it.

I miss TSTID. Where are you lady??

Wishing you all a peaceful season!

I Choose Jack!

shoe

lulinha_k
12-02-2007, 11:27 AM
An advent calendar! :naughty: :drool: :drool: :drool:
I missed day 1 as well... But I won´t miss Day 2 (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/lulinha_k/Layout/header4.png)! :D

Forever_Erica
12-02-2007, 12:24 PM
Yeah, Luka, I missed day one too. But you see, as I was watching THP, again and again......I found my contribution to DAY 2 (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/huntingpartycap363.jpg)! :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Erica

Claudia815
12-02-2007, 06:04 PM
I miss TSTID. Where are you lady??

She's probably on her way back from climbing volcanos in Hawaii. She was on the wrong island, so no stal... erm... no careful observation of our favorite Lost spots.



Me likes Jack's Advent Calendar! great idea Clauds (so everyone is gonna choose their own Door screencap every day right ?)

Basically, yes. However, it does NOT have to be a picture, in fact, the more variety, the better. It can be your favorite scene for that day, a video you made/liked, graphics, a quote about Jack that stuck out to you, etc. Think of it as decorating a tree.

I'm glad you guys are enjoying it. It's been on my mind for a while, but I forgot about it (been a little preoccupied with life lately) until mom reminded me of elise's 24 Days Of Jack on LJ last year, so THANK YOU for jogging my memory just in time. :kisss:


I am not sure if my door screencap falls under December 1st or 2nd (although I think we're all now on the 2nd) but here goes, I pick the moment Jack finally stopped to realize the magnitude of what has happened to them (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/Season%20One/1x01%20Pilot/bscap076.jpg). I love this moment because it says much about who jack really is. His first instinct was to help those around him, despite his own injury, and then after doing that he takes a moment to look at the bigger picture and see himself in that bigger picture and realize how :censored: up they are. It also shows Jack isolating himself to let his true emotions come through (and later isolate himself even more to check on his own injury/weakness) which I think comes as a result of having one Christian Shephard as a father. And then later when Boone comes with the pens he is back to his composed self thanking Boone. And can I say just how amazing that picture is with the inside of the fuselage in the foreground and that arm dangling like that *shivers*

Oh, that is a great choice. It kinda ties in with my Day 2 goodie because you can feel him crumbling under the weight of: "WTF am I doing here? HOW am I going to do this?"
What's more fun than obsessing over the star of LOST?

I don't know, I feel a little outgunned in degrees of obsession lately.

Jack does what he does without thinking. Every move he makes comes from the heart and then the head and his personal needs and safety are never a priority. So yeah Claudia it's okay to call this man a hero, because that's what he is and what he has continued to be throughout the survivor's ordeal. Heroes aren't perfect and they don't come riding in on white horses. The first 10 minutes of LOST introduced us to what we would come to know and love as a perfectly flawed man, whose heart is always in the right place, and whose noble and selfless acts make him heroic.

They all are to some degree and they're all supposed to find what Joseph Campbell called "the king within". That quest has been the driving force behind all of humanity's greatest myths. In its medium (our small screens), Lost is THE best story of heroic journey in my opinion and it starts with Jack's "call to adventure" in the Pilot. I've had the DVDs for a while but only listened to the commentaries recently and was pleasantly surprised to hear Damon reference that exact phrase. What I enjoy most about Jack's journey is the subject behind Door #2 in our Jack Advent Calendar.

I pick this (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z188/flyer61055/normal1x01159sn6.jpg) to be waiting for us when we open the little door. That would be in chocolate of course since that is what is typically hiding behind those little doors. :kiss:

Mmmm... ChocoJacks. :essen: From now on, I'm going to put mine behind spoiler tags so it feels like we're actually opening something. (Am such a dork... :teehee:)

Day 2:

It's just a ten second snippet out of an all around kickbutt episode, but it's stuck to my retina since it first aired. In TTLG, Jack sees the little boy (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/cutekid.jpg)from the car crash on the hallways of St.Sebastian and after his initial reaction (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/3x22-glass0753.jpg)of smiling and waving back, his eyes drop and he turns around and runs, unable to look at that innocent kid who probably sees him as his hero who rescued him from the burning wreckage.

This is a beautifully done shot that captures how Jack feels about himself. He feels like a fraud. We don't know what happened between the rescue and 2007, but all throughout the flashforward we see how much Jack hates the hero worship. It's nothing new though, I feel that's very consistent with who he is and how he's always felt like a fraud and a failure.

I think he's going to be proven wrong. He knows what Achara told him is true, even though he may not believe it at this point and is only experiencing the loneliness and the anger... but that is another goodie for another day.



Thanks for playing.

suzzzette
12-02-2007, 07:35 PM
Greetings all! I've been mostly MIA for awhile, but I'm trying to jump back into the fun. Claudia - awesome idea to celebrate all the awesomeness that is Dr. Sexy.

THIS (http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S1/All%20the%20Best%20Cowboys%20Have%20Daddy%20Issues/?action=view&current=daddy-issues0474.jpg) as my contribution today. He's like a young boy in this moment, you can almost see him scraping his foot against the ground like a little kid - desperate for his father's love and approval. Foxy just nailed all the nuances in that scene. Makes me wanna hug Jack - for a long, long time.

ozge
12-03-2007, 03:27 AM
hey guys :wavey:
does anyone know how old jack is? have you guys seen it mentioned anywhere before?
i remember reading somewhere that the character is 37, but i also heard that his age was stated as 40 in the pilot script!
i googled it but couldnt find any official sources that mentioned jack's age! sawyer once said that he's 34 but i dont remember jack mentioning his age!

Just A Button
12-03-2007, 05:42 AM
hey guys :wavey:
does anyone know how old jack is? have you guys seen it mentioned anywhere before?
i remember reading somewhere that the character is 37, but i also heard that his age was stated as 40 in the pilot script!
i googled it but couldnt find any official sources that mentioned jack's age! sawyer once said that he's 34 but i dont remember jack mentioning his age! Well Lostpedia says he's 37, and that's what I was thinking too. Maybe him being 40+ was before they changed some things in the original script (the one where Jack was supposed to die in the pilot).


My ChocoJack for Dec. 3rd... a vid made by our very own jkbeliever/marzycielka (I hope you don't mind me bringing this here). It's about one year old and it was even called The Jack Show :biggrin: It's a lovely collection of many great Jack moments and it has enough scenes in it to make every hussy's heart happy (I just say "wall" and "slamming") ;) So enjoy! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvlecJGSFGE)

shoegirl
12-03-2007, 07:21 AM
Morning...


Ok, so the guy I'd like to meet in a dark alley (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/Foxhussies/?action=view&current=ohmywarehousefoxy-1.jpg)isn't Jack, so I guess that means

you still need to CLICKY HERE (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/ToTC/?action=view&current=CaffeineAddictJack.jpg), for my Day 3 Gift.... Something to keep us all warm. ;)

Mrs. B -- love love love your chocolatey goodness.

Have a wonderful day Denizens....


I Choose Jack!

shoe

yas_m
12-03-2007, 07:40 AM
Good morning/day/afternoon hussies.
My contribution for today is a bit of a cheat, but I promise once I have my laptop (Tuesday or Wednesday *fingers crossed*) I'll stop cheating. Here's my Dec 3rd (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/coming-soon.gif) contribution.

workingmom
12-03-2007, 10:27 AM
Good Monday morning! A new mobisode is out on the Verizon phones. ..

and it features .... wait for it.... Jack! It's Juliet at the losties camp telling Jack that she's actually a mole to get the pregnant women. I don't think we're allowed to link to the video in dark corners of the internet, but the transcript is up in the mobisodes (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=85847)section here.
I wonder if every other mosibode is going to feature Jack? That would be an intriguing pattern, wouldn't it?
Perdue, how did you know???

flyer61055
12-03-2007, 10:44 AM
My DAY 3 (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/fanart/LeadingMan2.jpg) gift.

Franci
12-03-2007, 10:49 AM
Monday :smart:
and it starts with some new Jack footage (I'll try to contain myself about TEH hands..TEH hair and TEH everythingelse) They should have called them the Jepisodes anyway :kiss:

My december 3rd contribution to our Calendar,or 'Jack tree' if you like,is my new avi. *wink*

lauradc1980
12-03-2007, 11:31 AM
My december 3rd contribution to our Calendar,or 'Jack tree' if you like,is my new avi. *wink*

Oooh, 'peek a boo' Foxy, I love it, so cute!!! :thumbsup:

My contribution to day #3 is a banner about Jack's relationship with Locke, a relationship I personally enjoy a lot.

Man of science; Man of faith (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/we_are_lost_rpg/Fan%20art/Jack/locke_jack_banner.jpg)

Claudia815
12-03-2007, 11:57 AM
Mmmm, I love waking up to so many chocoJack goodies... :essen: Yasy, I'm v. v. excited about that trailer and Laura... well, it's only fitting that Locke be included, since this is his home too. :biggrin:

Damon and Carlton, thanks, buddies, your contribution to our festive tree is lovely. Oh, and anytime you want to cater to another one of my whims (since it seems all I need to do is ask and you provide), show me Danielle with Jack and Juliet at The Black Rock and Locke and Sayid (I'll take anything). Thanks. I know I can count on you.

Welcome back, suzzzette! :hug:

Well Lostpedia says he's 37, and that's what I was thinking too. Maybe him being 40+ was before they changed some things in the original script (the one where Jack was supposed to die in the pilot).

38-40 sounds about right. He's supposed to be more or less the same (biological) age as Sawyer.

I'm off to check marzycielka's video now. I hope she drops by soon.

lulinha_k
12-03-2007, 12:23 PM
Ahhhh! My Dec 3 (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1279-19.html)! (The smile! *THUD*)
And I want to thanks Papper_docka for this information (I dont know if you guys already know that, anyway...)
Jack/Foxy = LOST!

From unitedhollywood (http://unitedhollywood.blogspot.com/2007/12/pencils2mediamoguls-fan-raffle-madness.html)

Please join us and support all the writers of your favorite TV shows. So many of you guys have asked what you can do to help and this is it! We're gonna offer three prizes (chosen at random) -- Every box you buy [and enter "LOST" in the "show you're supporting" box] gives you one shot at the raffle.


GRAND PRIZE: A personal thank-you call from us (Carlton and Damon) AND Matthew Fox where we shall do our bestest to answer your questions about the show's mysteries AND a Season 3 DVD set.


FIRST PRIZE: A signed finale script by writers Damon and Carlton and a surprise cast member!


SECOND PRIZE: Signed Season 3 DVD Set (standard and blu-ray!) by the entire writing staff!


Thank you for all your support. We love you and miss you all. And we really hope to get back to work soon!


Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse

*squeeeeeeee* hee

Claudia815
12-03-2007, 03:58 PM
December 3rd goodie made by janie_tangerine on LJ:



Door number 3 (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Avis/thougths.png)


In honor of TSTID's return to the mainland, here's a little patriotic ditty for Craphole Island to the tune of that R-rated song you know from the greatest puppet movie ever made (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5dk0JY2xc). (If I had the Jack and Locke dolls, I would totally re-enact their bickering in this episode).

The Jack Show Rewind. The Long Con: The One With The Founding Fathers.


Ameeeeeeeeeerica, Ameeeeeeeeeeeerica.....

America, :censored: yeah!
Comin' again to save the :censored: day, yeah!
America, :censored: yeah!
Freedom is the only way, yeah.

Jack and Locke, your power trippin's through (http://www.lostpedia.com/images/5/5c/2x13_jack.JPG),
Cause now you have to answer to,
Craphole Island, :censored: yeah!
(http://www.lostpedia.com/images/0/0e/TLC3.jpg)So play your little puppet power games,
Craphole Island, :censored: yeah!
Whatcha' gonna do when we come for you now?

It's the dream that we all share,
It's the hope for tomoooooooorrow, :censored: yea! (http://www.lostpedia.com/images/0/0c/2x13_sawyer_medicine.JPG)

Dharma beer, :censored: yeah!
Shark tanks, :censored: yeah!
Porn stash, :censored: yeah!
Free medical assistence (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Promo%20Pics%20S2/celebrity_city_Lost_Promos_Seaso-15.jpg), :censored: yeah!
Fake beards (http://www.lostpedia.com/images/1/11/1X24_TomBoat.jpg), :censored: yeah!
Jin's Sushi, :censored: yeah!
Boar BBQ, :censored: yeah!
Grilled cheese, :censored: yeah!

Other points of interest:



LOCKE: At least we don't have to worry about running out any time soon. Jack, I'm grateful that you decided to keep them all in the same place. [Jack notices the Virgin Mary statues] Oh, I had to take them from Charlie -- his heroin stash. I figure it might have therapeutic value, if it ever came to that.
JACK: You're just going to leave it all in the statues?
LOCKE: You want to break 7 Virgin Maries, be my guest. I'm superstitious.



LOL! Right. I bet Jack's just terrified of all the Catholic Cool he sees on TV.

Ana is absolutely right later on when she tells Sayid and Charlie that Jack and Locke are too preoccupied with Jack and Locke. However, once the guns were out of their posession Craphole Island (:censored: yeah!) was no safer than it was with the guns under Jack and Locke's lock and key (literally Locke and Jack's key).

Perdue
12-03-2007, 04:32 PM
I've been thinking that at least every other mosibode will feature Jack and lo! so far the pattern is holding! I find Jack's tat's rather attractive and this one opens with a lovely view of the underside that isn't often seen.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded
12-03-2007, 04:32 PM
Wow. That is just. Beautiful. Thank you for the welcome back giftie. I am moved beyond the power of coherent thought.

OK, it's jetlag, but still, brilliant! :biggrin:

TSTID

shoegirl
12-03-2007, 09:40 PM
Welcome Back TSTID. Hope to hear about your trip soon. :)

I really liked the latest Mobile Jackisode. Jack, learning that Jules is not the trustworthy person he thought. I think seeing Jack learning that little bit of information straight from Juliet was interesting. It may come into play sometime in S4. (Or maybe not, if we just end up with 8 eppys :frown: ). I wonder if that is a set-up and we may see Jack question and wonder who's side Muffin is on at some point in the future. Or did he start trusting her too much, because she told him she was a traitor. I wonder if Juliet will become a tool for the new bad guys. I still think ultimately she's on her own side, and not on the Losties side. Her name after all is Juliet....

Ok, Luka, thanks for bringing that information by. In case you need a shortcut, the link to buy the pencils is in the Leaggue of Nations thread. BTW, Gregg posted there today as well, giving a strike update. The news isn't good.... :frown:

Can you imagine if a Foxhussy was able to speak to Foxy? That would be a little more than awesome. So Denizens, go use that paypal account and purchase some pencils. :)

Hey, we are only 50 or so posts away from Fox Den #8!!!. Way to go Denizens.... Banshee, will you need help setting up the new thread? Or will Jinxy be around to help you out? Let us know if you need help, or assistance in anyway. *squishes Bansh*

I choose Jack!! :kiss: :kiss:

shoe

manties
12-03-2007, 11:31 PM
Matthew in his Racer (http://i8.tinypic.com/8e0w02e.jpg) X (http://i7.tinypic.com/73k92rm.jpg) Costume (http://i19.tinypic.com/6jccweb.jpg).

He sounds very excited for this movie.

Lovey
12-04-2007, 12:42 AM
Matthew in his Racer (http://i8.tinypic.com/8e0w02e.jpg) X (http://i7.tinypic.com/73k92rm.jpg) Costume (http://i19.tinypic.com/6jccweb.jpg).

He sounds very excited for this movie.

*FLAILS*

Tight Leather. Foxy. Combined.
Today is the luckiest day in the world.

And Clauds. Bravo on the song, hunny - The founding fathers would be so proud.

yas_m
12-04-2007, 01:34 AM
Matthew in his Racer (http://i8.tinypic.com/8e0w02e.jpg) X (http://i7.tinypic.com/73k92rm.jpg) Costume (http://i19.tinypic.com/6jccweb.jpg).

He sounds very excited for this movie.

oh, my.... good morning to me....:thud:

ozge
12-04-2007, 03:59 AM
Matthew in his Racer (http://i8.tinypic.com/8e0w02e.jpg) X (http://i7.tinypic.com/73k92rm.jpg) Costume (http://i19.tinypic.com/6jccweb.jpg).

He sounds very excited for this movie.

O.M.G. *dies* :drool: :thud:

teh face (http://i10.tinypic.com/8f1nkw4.jpg)
how am i going to wait for the movie now? :bonk:


Dec 4 (http://media1.dropshots.com/photos/317408/20070813/015442.jpg)
wet jack! :drool: always my fav :biggrin:


38-40 sounds about right. He's supposed to be more or less the same (biological) age as Sawyer.

sawyer already told that he's 34 in one of the episodes! according to the original pilot script he's 40!

Papper_Docka
12-04-2007, 05:01 AM
Matthew in his Racer (http://i8.tinypic.com/8e0w02e.jpg) X (http://i7.tinypic.com/73k92rm.jpg) Costume (http://i19.tinypic.com/6jccweb.jpg).

He sounds very excited for this movie.

teh face (http://i10.tinypic.com/8f1nkw4.jpg)
how am i going to wait for the movie now?

Oh. God. And here I just got to work and the productive day is already officially over... *faints*

Thank you!

Deadshot
12-04-2007, 05:19 AM
Foxy in what seems like a full leather bodysuit.

Christmas came early for you guys huh?

:-P

On a related note. AICN has posted their impressions of the forthcoming Speed Racer trailer. Beware the potty mouth.lol

***Mod edited***

lauradc1980
12-04-2007, 06:05 AM
*GASP* at that racer costume!!!!!! It's Teh sex!!!!!

*DROOLS*
*FAINTS*

Welcome back TSTID :hug: (even if I alrady said that to you somewhere else)

And because today is today, and only 20 days are lasting for Christmas, here's my contribution to day #4.

DECEMBER 4TH (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/banners/LOST/jack_sunglasses.gif)
(A tribute to Jack's sunglasses)

ozge
12-04-2007, 06:12 AM
Oh. God. And here I just got to work and the productive day is already officially over... *faints*

Thank you!

aww! thats what happened to me in the morning after i saw those pics :biggrin:
and it still continues :eek2:

anyone interested in watching the speed racer interview made with Foxy? :rolleyes:
ET Foxy Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llGnYBLR7w)

:thud:

yas_m
12-04-2007, 06:27 AM
aww! thats what happened to me in the morning after i saw those pics :biggrin:
and it still continues :eek2:

anyone interested in watching the speed racer interview made with Foxy? :rolleyes:
ET Foxy Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llGnYBLR7w)

:thud:

Aww, he sounds so excited about it :biggrin: I love it when he talks about his kids.

and did I hear him right? The shoulder got even more beatings? :hypocrit:

Thanks for bringing the vid over ozge. This day just keeps getting better. Good thing we have SR to give some Foxy interviews since it looks dry on Lost. :frown:

ETA: and the man giggle!

*back to work*

lulinha_k
12-04-2007, 06:34 AM
Matthew in his Racer (http://i8.tinypic.com/8e0w02e.jpg) X (http://i7.tinypic.com/73k92rm.jpg) Costume (http://i19.tinypic.com/6jccweb.jpg).

He sounds very excited for this movie.

Jesus... *FAINTS* :drool: :drool: :drool: :thud: :thud:

ozge
12-04-2007, 07:14 AM
Aww, he sounds so excited about it :biggrin: I love it when he talks about his kids.

and did I hear him right? The shoulder got even more beatings? :hypocrit:

Thanks for bringing the vid over ozge. This day just keeps getting better. Good thing we have SR to give some Foxy interviews since it looks dry on Lost. :frown:

ETA: and the man giggle!

*back to work*

you're welcome :biggrin:

he becomes even more attractive and cute (if that's possible) when he talks about his kids!!!
the hottest daddy ever!!! :biggrin: :drool:

*me hates work*

shoegirl
12-04-2007, 07:30 AM
Thanks for all those Speed Racer goodies..... Deadshot, Ozge. What a wonderful way to start out the day. Now for a little more ADVENTure, here is my

(http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/?action=view&current=merrychristmasfromjackcardcopy.jpg)DAY 4 (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/?action=view&current=merrychristmasfromjackcardcopy.jpg) (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/?action=view&current=merrychristmasfromjackcardcopy.jpg)

Love, Love, Love our leading man!!

I choose Jack!

shoe

lulinha_k
12-04-2007, 08:26 AM
And this is my
DAY 4! (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/lulinha_k/Jack/JackWins.gif) (Jack wins! :fish: )

And... are we about to start a new Den or what? :cool:

Claudia815
12-04-2007, 11:56 AM
manties, are you Santa? You just mysteriously show up with goodies every now and then, so that's why I'm asking. Oh, and if the answer is yes... I know which list I'm on, but I can TOTALLY explain. :angelnot:

Hey, Deadshot, good to see you around! It's Christmas every day here in The Happiest Place On Earth, but we're only decorating the tree in December. Thanks for the link. Awww, it's sweet of you to warn us about potty mouths. :innocent: (Goes well with our minds though...)

anyone interested in watching the speed racer interview made with Foxy? :rolleyes:
ET Foxy Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llGnYBLR7w)

:thud:

:eek2: WTF is on Emile Hirsh's head??? OK, sorry, I'm focusing on the wrong thing here, but... :24: I see even the Speed Racer Wardrobe Department likes to cater to us and to TSTID in particular by changing her boyfriend's outfit (sorry, ladies, she's called dibs on him a long time ago... childhood sweetheart) from white to black.



DECEMBER 4TH (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/banners/LOST/jack_sunglasses.gif)
(A tribute to Jack's sunglasses)

Oh, I know one hussy who's DYING to put this decoration on our tree. :biggrin:


and did I hear him right? The shoulder got even more beatings? :hypocrit:

I think it might be the other one actually. :essen: Like TSTID says, once you've started perving on mutilated limbs, it all goes down (in the gutter) from there.

Luka, I think we'll have a new thread in a couple of days, we have to be a little patient. But we're definitely setting up a Christmas tree in our new home for all those lovely trinkets.

yas_m
12-04-2007, 01:03 PM
it's all down (in the gutter) from there.

down? you mean there's more down than where I've reached? Just when you think you can't get any lower...

manties
12-04-2007, 01:18 PM
manties, are you Santa? You just mysteriously show up with goodies every now and then, so that's why I'm asking. Oh, and if the answer is yes... I know which list I'm on, but I can TOTALLY explain. Have no fear, I'm not an old, overweight man who breaks into houses and steals cookies. I'm just a lurker who likes to share the hotness. :angelnot:


:eek2: WTF is on Emile Hirsh's head??? I don't know, but I hope they killed it.

Perdue
12-04-2007, 03:22 PM
I've been predicting that every other mosi-whatever they are called, I never get it right, will feature Jack. So who do you think will be with Jack in the next one? Part of me thinks it's going to be Kate, but the other part thinks they will wait a little longer before they do a Kate and Jack one. What do you all think?

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded
12-04-2007, 03:40 PM
I'm hoping that they throw us a curve and include Jack in every single mobisode from here on out.

Also, the pattern is also for Juliet in every 4th and 5th epi. Which works for me also. :)

TSTID

Perdue
12-04-2007, 03:56 PM
They could feature Jack in every mobisode from now on, but that might be overly optimistic. I suspect there will be at least one Claire/Charlie and probably one with Desmond. I'm still saying it's going to be Jack in every other one, though.

I think the next one with Jack is going to be Jack and Tom.

yas_m
12-04-2007, 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Perdue
I've been predicting that every other mosi-whatever they are called, I never get it right, will feature Jack. So who do you think will be with Jack in the next one? Part of me thinks it's going to be Kate, but the other part thinks they will wait a little longer before they do a Kate and Jack one. What do you all think?I think we are looking at it all wrong. I think the pattern of his appearance in said mobisodes is not the primary factor that we should be investigating, but rather one of two things. According to my research the pattern is irrelevant, and so far my conclusions, still preliminary point to one of two thing.

The first is this: If we consider that the mobisodes are to be studied as missing pieces to fill the gaps for essential Lost moments that we had been uninformed or ill informed about, then with Jack being the lead character and all, we can easily assume that the moments that need to be filled are those that had Jack missing in the first place. The strategy I followed for my study was first to find out exactly how many episodes of the ones that have aired in 3 seasons Jack has missed. My mathematics tell me that Jack has appeared in 64 episodes (I am using imdb as my primary reference, I know it is not the most reliable, but it's late, and I am sleepy) out of 69 aired episodes. That leaves 5 missing episodes. So if my initial assumption is right, then Jack would need to appear in 2 more, having appeared in 3 already to complete the missing Jack pieces.

The second way to look at it is by calculating the percentage of episodes that Jack has appeared in out of the total episodes, and consider the mobisodes, not as filling the blanks but a continuation of the story as though the 13 mobisodes kind of represent season 4.5, then Jack has to appear in the same percentage of episodes/mobisodes. So appearing in 64 out of 69 means that he is present in 92.75% of the episodes, and thus he will need to appear then in 12.05 mobisodes, let's say 12 and consequently it means he needs to appear in 9 more. What I like more about this second possibility, besides the idea of Jack appearing in 12 mobisodes, is that it allows for Jack to have mobisodes with almost most of the current cast (without taking into consideration the s4 characters or the deceased characters). Of course clumping the statistics of all three seasons to anticipate a possible outcome for a mini-mini-season is rather shaky and inaccurate. I think I need to further develop my study by taking the percent of episodes he appeared in per season and graph that properly to be able to give a better estimate of how many he should appear in. But I guess my preliminary numbers show a rough proposal of how it could appear, or at least the grounds upon which to further investigate.

At least, that's what I think. What do you think?

Claudia815
12-04-2007, 04:23 PM
I think I'll go stare some more (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/Matthew%20Fox/movies/Speed%20Racer/interviews/).

I was on a quest to place a chocoJack under Door #4, but it's the kind that requires thinking. Thinking is inhibited by laughing and lack of caffeine and I'm afraid I'm two for two at the moment. brb.

Perdue
12-04-2007, 04:36 PM
That's an interesting analysis, but I'll stick with my plain and simple "every other one."

How many of them are there anyway?

yas_m
12-04-2007, 04:39 PM
That's an interesting analysis, but I'll stick with my plain and simple "every other one."

Sorry, woman of science here and "plain and simple" just doesn't interest me, can't throw my hands in the air and wait to see which way the wind is gonna be blowing and just sway with it. Everything needs to be calculated and measured. Gotta be in control and in the lead so as not to be dragged along, the view ain't pretty from there.

Perdue
12-04-2007, 04:45 PM
That works if the creators of Lost are men of science and use scientific models to calibrate the amount of on-screen time for each character. Most writers I know aren't that way...hence the non-scientific "every other one."

yas_m
12-04-2007, 04:47 PM
Ah, but it is not the creator's of Lost that are doing all the calculations. You know there is a much bigger force at play here, a force to be reckoned with.

And I guess out of respect for the man whom this thread here is dedicated to, the infamous man of science, Dr. Jack Shephard, one should at least try to grasp the scientific method before giving up and going with the mundane and nonscientific.

Perdue
12-04-2007, 04:50 PM
I guess we'll see soon enough. If the next one features Jack then my theory will be over and done with.

Claudia815
12-04-2007, 04:52 PM
Ah, found it. Finally. Like I said, our Jack Advent Calendar need not consist only of visuals, although those are very, very, very, very lovely. There have been several quotes about Jack (both here and on other sites) that have lodged themselves into my brain and as a celebration of the tv boyfriend, here's one of my favorites. TSTID and Laura were talking about how they identify with Jack and why we love him:

Day #4:


He's one of the few fictional characters, and the only one not in a book, that I think of and react to as real when I'm engaged in his story. There is total suspension of disbelief for me when it comes to Jack, and the nuance, complexity, and depth there to have sustained that for three seasons, which I think is rather astonishing.

For me, Lost truly is "The Jack Show." He's what hooks me into the story, makes the action and plot meaningful enough to continue to follow, and represents about 97% of my emotional involvement with the program -- 1% each goes to Sun/Jin, Rose/Bernard, and Desmond/Penny. But it's the good doctor I root for, fear for, am enthralled by, am occasionally disappointed in, and who breaks my heart on a regular basis.



:shesaid:

ozge, I got distracted by your new icon this morning, but the age thing... I was thinking of Jack's age at present time, the 2007 flashforward. On the island, he's probably around 36/38, since Sawyer is supposed to be 8 in 1976 (either that, or he's had those stamps for a long, long time...)

yas_m
12-04-2007, 04:55 PM
Or it won't. Why give up so quickly? It could be just that you got the pattern wrong. Don't forget we have an odd number of episodes, so that messes up the way it could go. I say keep your hopes up and believe in yourself, it could always play out as 1,3,5,6,8,10,12 where they shift it slightly so as not to give Jack another "season" finale, or if you insist on a regular pattern, you could just be slightly off and it could be 1,3,5,6,8,10,11,13. I have faith in you. Do not give up yet, or not next week at least.

Just A Button
12-04-2007, 06:03 PM
Aww, he sounds so excited about it :biggrin: I love it when he talks about his kids.

and did I hear him right? The shoulder got even more beatings? :hypocrit:

Thanks for bringing the vid over ozge. This day just keeps getting better. Good thing we have SR to give some Foxy interviews since it looks dry on Lost. :frown:

ETA: and the man giggle!

*back to work* just had to quote you because I went into a giggle fit after reading your reason for editing :rotflmao:

:thumbsup:

Now for a little more ADVENTure, here is my

DAY 4 (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/?action=view&current=merrychristmasfromjackcardcopy.jpg)

Love, Love, Love our leading man!!

I choose Jack!

shoe Aww, isn't he cute in that pic? :kiss:


My contribution for Dec 4:one of the first promo pics (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/FoxyLodge2007/The%20Jack%20Show/promo%20pics/promo5.jpg). I just LOVE the whole opening scene of the pilot, it's one of the best I've ever seen and I never get tired of watching it. And now it just seems so out of place, him in that suit amidst all the wreckage on the beach...

Claudia815
12-05-2007, 02:45 AM
I just want to let everyone know that I talked to Bansh and she's working on a new home for us so let's send this one out in style.


Dec 4 (http://media1.dropshots.com/photos/317408/20070813/015442.jpg)
wet jack! :drool: always my fav :biggrin:

I don't know if I'm going to be able to do this from work tomorrow (youtube-ing at work can be a dangerous sport :hypocrit: ) so I thought I'd get an early start on today's Advent Jack.

Day 5. My all time favorite Lost promo ever.



"Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EHCiOEdsJk)

What did Amy use to say? Bless H2O!

1. That one shot of Ben smiling freaked me out. I literally jumped out of my chair.

2. :thud: That's all I got to say.



This is a real tiny bit of a spoiler for season four from someone who's already seen the s4 trailer aired in movie theaters. I repeat, this is NOT faux use of spoiler tags, but you won't be spoiled much. For my fellow sickos:

"I saw Jack pushing someone's back against a tree in front of a group of armed losties, a lot of intense action stuff."

:ntworthy: Aren't we the luckiest fangirls on Earth? SO pampered. It's probably Ben again, but he's much more worthy than Michael, fellow hussy that he is.

I've only now noticed on the front page that one of our most recent additions, Live together, is celebrating a birthday today. JOYEUX ANNIVERSAIRE with chocolate Jack on top and I hope you feel at home here. :cake:

ozge
12-05-2007, 04:38 AM
the better quality vid for the speed racer interview (http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/12/05/matthew-fox-racer-x/)

:birthday: Happy Birthday Pauline!!! :birthday:
hope you have a great day :bdaywink:


i have chosen a spoilery pic (is that even word?) for Dec 5 (http://media3.dropshots.com/photos/317408/20070921/003957.jpg)!!!
this pic is killing me!!!



Day 5. My all time favorite Lost promo ever.

more wet jack!!! :drool: *dies*

shoegirl
12-05-2007, 06:21 AM
Good Morning,,

I too need to post early today since I have the big meeting today (which I should be preparing for now. LOL) .

Here's my Jack Advent for the day...

DAY 5 (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/?action=view&current=jacksantahat_edited-1.jpg) SANTA, I WANT HIM In a Hat ........ or in one of these gorgeous shirts..... better yet, naked under my tree....
(http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/?action=view&current=jacksantahat_edited-1.jpg)

Clauds, you know I love it when you quote Maximus. Still think Foxy would have done a wonderful job in that movie role.

Ya'll have a wonderful day.

I choose Dr. Delicious!

shoe

lauradc1980
12-05-2007, 06:37 AM
DAY 5 :biggrin:


ARMED, AND DANGEROUS (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/banners/LOST/jack_gun_banner.jpg)

kickflip_chick
12-05-2007, 07:28 AM
Day 5. My all time favorite Lost promo ever.



"Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EHCiOEdsJk)

What did Amy use to say? Bless H2O!

1. That one shot of Ben smiling freaked me out. I literally jumped out of my chair.

2. :thud: That's all I got to say.



At first I thought I had said something while drunk...or...tired or at some point while out of it, but no I realised!!

WETWETWETWETWETWETWETWETWETWETWET!!!!!!!!!!

:thud: :thud: :thud: :thud:

Might as well add to the joy...

*stares* (http://static.episode39.it/character/20.jpg)

banshee
12-05-2007, 09:47 AM
Morning Foxes :smile:

I do hate to disrupt the flow of discussion but our new home is up so it's time to close the thread. Many good times were shared here so we may move on but we fondly remember. And the Jack love lives on :biggrin:

Please come join us on FOX Den 8 (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=85868). Hope to see you there!

:kisss: Den #7

*turns porch light out*