Yas - I want you to know that every single picture you put up of Jack that I COULDN'T WAIT TO SEE - well, I tried to look at them and they all said "YOU ARE FORBIDDEN......blah blah blah" It happend to EVERY ONE! I did not get to see any of the Jack moments that you posted and I am quite upset. NO ONE forbids me from looking at Foxy - EVER!!! :mad: (except maybe those sites that you posted ;) ). boo hoo.:frown:

Claudia - you saved the day with your picture of Jack realizing that Jin and Bernard had not been killed. I melted when I saw that picture and remembered that scene!:biggrin: He is so dreamy and that look on his face - priceless!

There are so many GREAT emotional Jack scenes that it's hard to pick one favorite. I am of the opinion that EVERY TIME Jack is on the screen - it is my favorite moment and they are all GREAT Jack moments. That about sums it up!

Take Care.

Doc

Class Challenge/Question: What is your most favorite emotional Jack moment? (pics are good for studying)

Wow, what a great question Shoe. :biggrin:

Okay, so my favorite emotional Jack moment? My answer to this question depends on the answer to this question: How much time do you have lol? Jack has had and has been a part of some of the most memorable scenes in the show’s history. I have cried, rejoiced, celebrated and just become so enthralled by both the character and the actor, because the way that Matthew cares for and portrays Jack is the best part about the show.

I love ALL Jack scenes (I really don’t need to say that, but I said it anyways lol) and anything that he’s part of I’ll watch it ten-fold. There are many emotional Jack scenes where I have to fully invest in the Kleenex business, but for the sake of time, I chose a few to share.

Okay, so let me begin. Lets go back to the start (this is in no particular order of importance or preference…)

1. The Pilot was just end all for me as far as my love and admiration for Jack. From the moment I met him, there was something. The stitching scene, how he tells that story is remarkable. That single, solitary tear (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x01-pilot/normal_normal-1x01-258.jpg) that falls down his face just kills me. It’s like, “How did Foxy do that?” Crazy good. It’s a moment that I don’t ever want to forget and never will forget.

2. In White Rabbit, when Jack is all alone in the jungle (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x05-whiterabbit/normal_white-rabbit530.jpg), just crying, completely spent physically and emotionally, trying to find the ground underneath him because everything seems to be spinning out of control. This is the first time Jack has really had time to cry and be vulnerable and open. This is six days after the crash, after having to go back home to bury his estranged father. It’s just a moment where my heart breaks for him for the millionth time and I’m so captivated by him.

3. In ATBCHDI, when Jack is trying to revive Charlie. If you didn’t cry during this scene or feel a tinge of any emotional at all, you must like to strangle kittens, because this scene gets to me every time. Jack is just so angry, so determined, so passionate. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x11-cowboys/normal_daddy-issues0906.jpg) The hurt and pain is oozing from his pores, so evident in his eyes. He’s failed again and he’s dead set against it. When Charlie comes back, there’s this moment of pure joy. Out of all the anger and hurt and panic, there’s this genuine moment of unadulterated bliss. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x11-cowboys/normal_daddy-issues0953.jpg) It was simply beautiful.

4. In Do No Harm, when Boone tells Jack, “I know you made a promise. I'm letting you off the hook. Let me go, Jack.” I can’t say anymore about that scene. It’s just so sad and heart-breaking. Jack is willing to do whatever it takes to save Boone and yet, Boone is begging Jack to let whatever happens happen. Jack tells Boone that he’s sorry (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm730.jpg), as if Boone dying is his fault, as if he’s the blame for it. Amazing scene and Ian did an amazing job. And Foxy, spectacular as always.

5. In Exodus, the scene with Sawyer about his father. There’s so much joy and regret in that one moment (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x23-exodus1/normal_exoduspart1-408.jpg) that it drives me crazy how Foxy just performed it so eloquently, so poetically. He learns from a stranger no less that his father was proud of him and that he loved him (“And this guy, Christian, tells me he wishes he had the stones to pick up the phone, call his kid, tell him he's sorry, that he's a better doctor than he'll ever be -- he's proud, and he loves him”). It's saddens me that Christian didn't make that call, but I'm happy that Jack knows in spite of it.

6. In ATOTC, where Jack asks if Sarah is happy. He’s just so tired. He’s so beaten down and he’s ready to just give in. He wanted to know what happened to Sarah, if he didn’t ruin her life along the way, so he asks, “Is she happy?” and he asks it in a way that implies that he just has to know and when he finds out that she is indeed happy, there’s this moment of relief (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/4/normal_twocitiescap-0984.jpg). I love that scene.

7. In Through the Looking Glass, the scene with Ben right after he’s ordered Tom to kill Sayid, Bernard and Jin and the order was taken out, Jack just breaks me in this scene as well. Okay, first off, he knows that he can’t give Ben the phone and he doesn’t want his friends to be killed, but he has to make a choice, an impossible choice…talk about being between a rock and a hard place. Jack has to make sacrifices that he’s regretful for. His vulnerability and sadness are evident in his face (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1388.jpg)and you know that he knows that he’s done what he had to do, but there’s still that moment of shock and Jack was feeling that in this scene. Beautifully acted once again.

Okay, I know that that was a lot, but hey, I love Jack and his moments are what I live for. ;)

I'm short for time right now, but I'll go with a happy emotional moment this time. The moment Hurley calls with the news of Jin, Sayid and Bernard's survival, Jack looks over at Sun and Rose embracing (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/relief-1.jpg), relieved not only that his friends are alive, but also that he doesn't have to tell their wives he had to let them die. It's such a beautiful moment (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/relief.jpg)and so very well captured, you can see the weight of the world lifted of his shoulders in a rare moment of exhilearation. Once again, Hurley is Jack's hero. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/ttlghand.jpg)

I love this scene too Claudia and you described the emotions very well.

Erica

Quickie public service annoucement: Could any of the Portuguese-speaking hussies help me out with a translation I've taken up despite the fact that I don't speak Portuguese? :biggrin: Matthew Fox was interviewed by a Brazilian magazine (believe it or not, they actually asked pertinent questions about The Jack Show) and while I'm sure I can get the gist of it, I'd rather have some backup here. Thanks.

I love this scene too Claudia and you described the emotions very well.

Yeah, too bad I can't spell and type fast at the same time. :bash:

Quickie public service annoucement: Could any of the Portuguese-speaking hussies help me out with a translation I've taken up despite the fact that I don't speak Portuguese? :biggrin: Matthew Fox was interviewed by a Brazilian magazine (believe it or not, they actually asked pertinent questions about The Jack Show) and while I'm sure I can get the gist of it, I'd rather have some backup here. Thanks.

I'M BRAZILIAN.
WHAT BRAZILIAN MAGAZINE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ????
LOVE, ALICE

:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: Do you Denizens know how much you guys rock!! Those were some amazing posts today. I also bow at Yas's knowledge of legal drugs. When I have a psychotic moment, ..... anyhoo....

For your wonderful wonderful emotional Jack... Here's a gift of Foxy news.

It looks like his movie Speed Racer is using some super duper new fabulous :cool: camera .... Here's the story, it's an interview with Susan Sarandon. (His Mom in the movie...;) )

Speed Racer News (http://www.collider.com/entertainment/news/article.asp/aid/5290/tcid/1)

Go Speed Racer!!

I Choose Dr. Sexy!!

shoe

Alice, thank you for putting the collection together, I don't think Helly and Mrs.B and other authors ever assembled them in one place. :kisss:

You are more than welcome, Claudia.
Thank YOU so much for let me know how create those links.
I'd like to know about "the Brazilian magazine". I want to buy it, here in Rio de Janeiro and scan and maybe help someone understand what that is about.
Love, Alice
100%
OMFG, Alice, thank you! That's so sweet of you! You are just awesome! (BTW, I REALLY need to use that 'Arm' gif because I'm a ARMS and HANDS hussy myself...even though all of his other 'parts' get the same reaction from me ;))

Thanks again!

Erica

P.S. You are very welcome! :biggrin:


You're more than welcome, dear.
Love, Alice
100%

Love the photos thanks Alice:)

I'm very glad you like them, freckles shephard.
Love, Alice

This may have already been discussed and if so, I do apologize, but did Foxy win a teen choice award last night? I'm assuming not, since I don't see it in the recent posts.

I GOT THE BRAZILIAN MAGAZINE: SCI-FI News -August, 2007
I'm gonna scan those 2 pages and make the translation for you.
Just give me few days. ;)
Love, Alice

This may have already been discussed and if so, I do apologize, but did Foxy win a teen choice award last night? I'm assuming not, since I don't see it in the recent posts.

Don't think so, Krystal. I tried to watch some of it but, old lady that I am, I fell asleep. I did read that Hugh Laurie won the male actor, drama award though. Oh well, it's an honour to be nominated anyway.

Don't think so, Krystal. I tried to watch some of it but, old lady that I am, I fell asleep. I did read that Hugh Laurie won the male actor, drama award though. Oh well, it's an honour to be nominated anyway.


Nope, you're right Dany. No award for Foxy - AGAIN. What in the world is wrong with people!?? He should win every award he is nominated for!!:biggrin: (in my humble opinion)

Doc

Alice I PMed you to tell you I'm done with the translation, I just need someone to look over it, so don't stress about it.

The second moment goes way back to the Pilot (http://matthewfoxonline.net/gallery/albums/1x01/normal_1x01_Pilot_118.JPG). I have noticed that I choose this scene for almost every Lost pertaining question.

Hmm... I wonder why... :hypocrit:

I do love that whole segment though, when he staggers in slow motion through the debris and then seeks a quiet spot, away from everybody. He did the same thing in the finale after he took his frustrations out on Ben. It's the same premise. After the surge of panic and adrenaline, the unbearable tension and the guilt (re: his friends), he walks away from the group and sets his backpack down and everything in his body language is so expressive and so expertly played. I haven't watched it in a couple of weeks... Hm...

Believe me, if Jack was being treated for PTSD and/or depression there are many drugs more effective at treating these disorders (and less addictive)

That's why I thought that if he wanted to get stoned, as a doctor, he'd know better than to go for the most addictive one out there. The alcohol makes perfect sense to me as his first resort when he cracked under the weight of whatever happened under the rescue and even other drugs would make sense so I thought he might have been a patient before he started abusing his prescription pills.

Jack must have received some kind of injury somewhere along the way and it was prescribed for that reason.

That was my theory and I was looking at it from an action-adventure-y point of view, but I don't rule out other options. For one thing, TPTB aren't very keen on accuracy in the medical field (Christian wouldn't have to pay any medical bills in Australia, etc) and who's to say this is the first drug Jack's been prescribed in those two and a half years since the rescue? Everything I know about drug abuse I learned from Dr. House so I'm not really the one to speculate. I was just wondering if we'll see him wake up on a hospital bed in the real world and that's when he realizes there's nothing he can do and he's powerless to reverse whatever came out of Pandora's box.

The Brazilian interview was quite good actually. He loves Hawaii, his kids love it there and they're at a perfect age to live on an island like that, but they're going to move again as soon as Lost ends. Which is OK because they both love moving around and they're used to it so they adapt easily anywhere and can call any place home, which is what happened with Hawaii as well. The whole family is very happy there.

His wife is his partner and she reads a lot so he trusts her instincts and she reads all the scripts before he does.

He loves Hurley but he loves Jorge even more and misses working with him. He's a special person just like his character and he compares his relationship with Jorge to Jack's relationship with Hurley.

The interviewer asks him if Jack's the jealous type because he seems pissed that Kate slept with Sawyer and Matthew Fox is confused and then laughs about it because Jack's the complete opposite.

She also asks if Jack would betray the castaways and the answer is no, I don't think he would ever do that because loyalty is such a defining trait of the character, it's a huge part of who Jack Shephard is.

He thinks Lost is a pioneer and many of the big shows on tv wouldn't have existed without it and it's a widespread opinion in the industry.

Or maybe I got it all wrong because like I said... I don't really speak Portuguese. :biggrin:

That's why I thought that if he wanted to get stoned, as a doctor, he'd know better than to go for the most addictive one out there. The alcohol makes perfect sense to me as his first resort when he cracked under the weight of whatever happened under the rescue and even other drugs would make sense so I thought he might have been a patient before he started abusing his prescription pills.


Seriously I feel that the whole thing goes in circles, although I do agree with you on TPTB not being too keen on getting their medical info necessarily 100% spot on, but the whole thing about Jack (ab)using Oxycodone and alcohol at the same time keeps making me think that did not necessarily have to be injured physically some time earlier, although I think it is possible (like I said, going in circles).

Oxycodone can be used by patients suffering from acute alcoholism or depression, but using Oxycodone with alcohol causes depression. So you have Jack using Oxycodne which could be used for physical pain, or for alcoholism or depression. And Jack is abusing alcohol. And using alcohol with Oxycodone causes depression. And Jack is depressed. And there is a high possibility of Jack having endured some physical pain due to injury or something, so what came first?:confused:

Jack must have received some kind of injury somewhere along the way and it was prescribed for that reason. They use it for moderate to severe pain, even cancer, so his injury must have created a good deal physical pain for him to deal with.

Drug abuse is not uncommon the medical profession. There's really no need for Jack to be prescribed drugs in order to become an addict. I figured he was taking advantage of their easy availability and simply stealing them. I believe this is the normal scenario with doctor/addicts.

TSTID

Drug abuse is not uncommon the medical profession. There's really no need for Jack to be prescribed drugs in order to become an addict. I figured he was taking advantage of their easy availability and simply stealing them. I believe this is the normal scenario with doctor/addicts.

TSTID

I'm not particularly attached to any theory so whatever works for Jack works for me. It's been two and a half years so I suppose a lot could have happened during all that time, though from what I can tell from both the FF scene and the script, Kate was shocked to see Jack in that state. They've met before in that airport and he's tried to convince her to go back before so whatever happened to him was probably a more gradual descent into addiction and hopelessness.

One thing I think did happen is that only the island's special mojo was kept a secret, but not the fact that there were survivors because Jack obviously returned to his old life. At one point, Charlie tells Kate that they're all going to be famous after the rescue so maybe that prediction actually came true. I can see Jack wanting to avoid all that attention (hey, I've just formulated a theory about the flashforward beard :biggrin: )

3. In ATBCHDI, when Jack is trying to revive Charlie. If you didn’t cry during this scene or feel a tinge of any emotional at all, you must like to strangle kittens, because this scene gets to me every time. Jack is just so angry, so determined, so passionate. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x11-cowboys/normal_daddy-issues0906.jpg) The hurt and pain is oozing from his pores, so evident in his eyes. He’s failed again and he’s dead set against it. When Charlie comes back, there’s this moment of pure joy. Out of all the anger and hurt and panic, there’s this genuine moment of unadulterated bliss. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x11-cowboys/normal_daddy-issues0953.jpg) It was simply beautiful.

4. In Do No Harm, when Boone tells Jack, “I know you made a promise. I'm letting you off the hook. Let me go, Jack.” I can’t say anymore about that scene. It’s just so sad and heart-breaking. Jack is willing to do whatever it takes to save Boone and yet, Boone is begging Jack to let whatever happens happen. Jack tells Boone that he’s sorry (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm730.jpg), as if Boone dying is his fault, as if he’s the blame for it. Amazing scene and Ian did an amazing job. And Foxy, spectacular as always.

Those are two examples of scenes where my head *knows* I'm being emotionally manipulated, but my heart doesn't care. The one where he whispers "I'm sorry" to Boone in particular kills me every time. Thanks for the visuals... ah, good times.

Alice I PMed you to tell you I'm done with the translation, I just need someone to look over it, so don't stress about it.



Hmm... I wonder why... :hypocrit:

I do love that whole segment though, when he staggers in slow motion through the debris and then seeks a quiet spot, away from everybody. He did the same thing in the finale after he took his frustrations out on Ben. It's the same premise. After the surge of panic and adrenaline, the unbearable tension and the guilt (re: his friends), he walks away from the group and sets his backpack down and everything in his body language is so expressive and so expertly played. I haven't watched it in a couple of weeks... Hm...



That's why I thought that if he wanted to get stoned, as a doctor, he'd know better than to go for the most addictive one out there. The alcohol makes perfect sense to me as his first resort when he cracked under the weight of whatever happened under the rescue and even other drugs would make sense so I thought he might have been a patient before he started abusing his prescription pills.



That was my theory and I was looking at it from an action-adventure-y point of view, but I don't rule out other options. For one thing, TPTB aren't very keen on accuracy in the medical field (Christian wouldn't have to pay any medical bills in Australia, etc) and who's to say this is the first drug Jack's been prescribed in those two and a half years since the rescue? Everything I know about drug abuse I learned from Dr. House so I'm not really the one to speculate. I was just wondering if we'll see him wake up on a hospital bed in the real world and that's when he realizes there's nothing he can do and he's powerless to reverse whatever came out of Pandora's box.

The Brazilian interview was quite good actually. He loves Hawaii, his kids love it there and they're at a perfect age to live on an island like that, but they're going to move again as soon as Lost ends. Which is OK because they both love moving around and they're used to it so they adapt easily anywhere and can call any place home, which is what happened with Hawaii as well. The whole family is very happy there.

His wife is his partner and she reads a lot so he trusts her instincts and she reads all the scripts before he does.

He loves Hurley but he loves Jorge even more and misses working with him. He's a special person just like his character and he compares his relationship with Jorge to Jack's relationship with Hurley.

The interviewer asks him if Jack's the jealous type because he seems pissed that Kate slept with Sawyer and Matthew Fox is confused and then laughs about it because Jack's the complete opposite.

She also asks if Jack would betray the castaways and the answer is no, I don't think he would ever do that because loyalty is such a defining trait of the character, it's a huge part of who Jack Shephard is.

He thinks Lost is a pioneer and many of the big shows on tv wouldn't have existed without it and it's a widespread opinion in the industry.

Or maybe I got it all wrong because like I said... I don't really speak Portuguese. :biggrin:

Claudia :kiss:

Obrigado muito!! :ntworthy: :hug:
Eu estou indo escrever agora uma nota a Jorge.

que eu escolho Jack!

Shoe

Those are two examples of scenes where my head *knows* I'm being emotionally manipulated, but my heart doesn't care.

Both of those scenes seemed emotionally honest to me. Where death is involved -- whether it's narrowly averted, or whether it wins -- intense emotions often follow. I loved the way both of these scenes were played. I could have lived without Kate's hysteria in the scene with Charlie, but I loved the one with Boone. It's a terrific scene because Boone is the one in control, and he gives a tremendously brave gift to Jack...he let's him off the hook, gives him permission to fail. He's the hero of that scene, and the hapless kid becomes a man with his last breath. I love it.

Poor Boone. Offing Charlie here and keeping Boone alive would, IMO, been a much better move. Boone had tons of potential as a character, I thought.

TSTID

Both of those scenes seemed emotionally honest to me. Where death is involved -- whether it's narrowly averted, or whether it wins -- intense emotions often follow. I loved the way both of these scenes were played. I could have lived without Kate's hysteria in the scene with Charlie, but I loved the one with Boone. It's a terrific scene because Boone is the one in control, and he gives a tremendously brave gift to Jack...he let's him off the hook, gives him permission to fail. He's the hero of that scene, and the hapless kid becomes a man with his last breath. I love it.

Poor Boone. Offing Charlie here and keeping Boone alive would, IMO, been a much better move. Boone had tons of potential as a character, I thought.

TSTID

hmmm.... but then your username would have been... TheHobbitTheUniverseCouldNotWaitToGetRidOfButJackK eptInterfering?

hmmm.... but then your username would have been... TheHobbitTheUniverseCouldNotWaitToGetRidOfButJackK eptInterfering?

Yet another reason why Boone's death was the most meaningful, well-executed one on Lost. :biggrin:

Lovey is sick and in need of a Doctor so we'll send her all our love because the visuals... she already has them. ;)

And in unrelated news, it would appear that Jackhussies abound even on the set of Speed Racer. Scott Porter (Jason on Friday Night Lights) confesses:

AZS: So, you're playing a young ‘Rex Racer’ and Matthew Fox is playing ‘Racer X.’ Anyone ever say you looked like him? Do you think there’s any resemblance?

Scott: No, not really. I think we can both really underplay scenes though, and it may be in that acting style where the Bros. and the casting director saw a resemblance. But, who knows if the Wachowski's are going to follow formula and make the characters the same person. Wait and see. Funny story about Matt is though, speaking of fan moments, I bought a "Jack" action figure. So did Susan. And we're both going to have him sign it for us.

Susan, you're supposed to be playing his mom... but it's OK, we understand... :hypocrit:

hmmm.... but then your username would have been... TheHobbitTheUniverseCouldNotWaitToGetRidOfButJackK eptInterfering?

I think it might have been worth it. Signing off as THTUCNWTGROBJKI would have been a small price to pay.

TSTID

Lovey is sick and in need of a Doctor so we'll send her all our love because the visuals... she already has them. ;)

I didn't know that. Get well soon, Lovey. We miss you!:hug:

Both of those scenes seemed emotionally honest to me. Where death is involved -- whether it's narrowly averted, or whether it wins -- intense emotions often follow. I loved the way both of these scenes were played.

They're two of the most memorable moments on the show and the first one in particular is etched into the public's memory, judging by the answers to the "Ever cried during Lost?" poll. I don't think there was anything dishonest about them, it's just a personal reaction of mine because I never cry at the movies and I rarely cry at all so when I hear the Jack Show theme music, part of me can't help but mock the other part that's starting to get sniffly. "Since when do you get all misty eyed anyway?" I'm just not used to it.

Or even without (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/cutekid.jpg)the music (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/3x22-glass0753.jpg)for that matter. I was just reminded the other night about that and... :crybaby: OK, not really. But the finale does all sorts of things to me every time.

I'm glad at least they sent us into this loooooong hiatus with a mindblowing episode.

LOVEY - Hey, no fair pretending to be sick so you can hog Dr. Jack all to
yourself!;) Okay, just this once and ONLY until you feel better, then you have to give him back to all of us!:p

Hope you feel better soon. (there's nothing Dr. Foxy can't fix!!)

Take Care.

Doc

I don't know where everyone went after The Fuselage server died, but I still have to share...

The world' (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/oldhussy.jpg)s coolest (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/promdate.jpg) hussy (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/experienceaintthatbad.jpg)if you ask me... "Is that change in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/oooh.jpg)

:roflmao:

If you ask me, she's much cuter (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/experienceaintthatbad.jpg)than the twit who dumped him at the prom. I love a woman who knows what she wants.

I don't know where everyone went after The Fuselage server died, but I still have to share...

The world' (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/oldhussy.jpg)s coolest (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/promdate.jpg) hussy (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/experienceaintthatbad.jpg)if you ask me... "Is that change in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/oooh.jpg)

:roflmao:

If you ask me, she's much cuter (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/experienceaintthatbad.jpg)than the twit who dumped him at the prom. I love a woman who knows what she wants.

YOU GO FOR YOURS GRANDMA! That's hilarious Clauds! I bet you she had a hip replacement and when she saw Foxy she was like, "Screw it, if it falls off, it'll be worth it..." She's looking up at him like, "This tree is going to be a bit harder to climb...."

And Foxy...OMFG! The HAIR! The white jacket! The LOOK on his face as they're dancing! He's completely out of a sequence of "Hairspray"! WOW. CLASSIC!

Is it just me or does this have a slight resemblance to "The Graduate"? Older woman....younger man....*continues to giggle and LOL like preteen school-girl*

Erica

I bet you she had a hip replacement and when she saw Foxy she was like, "Screw it, if it falls off, it'll be worth it..."

:roflmao: OK, that just made my night.

But we all know hussydom knows no boundaries. Here are a couple of senior citizens (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/grandma.jpg)with excellent taste (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/1.jpg). Perv-Approved! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/thepervapproves.jpg) :thumbsup: :biggrin:

:roflmao: OK, that just made my night.

I'm so glad that I can bring laughs to the Den, because I need to laugh as much, with the Jack withdrawl and all....:frown: I miss him like an addict misses his drug of choice...I'm shivering right now like I have ticks or something it's so bad....

But we all know hussydom knows no boudaries. Here are a couple of senior citizens (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/grandma.jpg)

Okay, this hussy is in the middle of a sentence as you can see. She has to be asking him, "So, how many sexual partners have you had? I'm only asking because I need a man who has less experience...I have so much to give...;)"

with excellent taste (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/1.jpg).

This creepy guy in the background is just on his way to work in downtown New York and stopped to appreciate the sights....:naughty:

(and notice that geeky guy taking the photo with Foxy knows that he's going to post this pic all over school, praying to get voted for 'Prom king'. His slogan is "Vote for Me....Foxy is lovin' it, so should you!")

Perv-Approved! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/thepervapproves.jpg) :thumbsup: :biggrin:

There should be a bubble above creepy guy's head in this pic, saying, "Hey you behind the camera, you are getting the WRONG view...if you know what I'm sayin'..." *wink wink*

Thanks Clauds!

Erica

:roflmao: OK, that just made my night.

But we all know hussydom knows no boundaries. Here are a couple of senior citizens (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/grandma.jpg)with excellent taste (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/1.jpg). Perv-Approved! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/thepervapproves.jpg) :thumbsup: :biggrin:


I love it when Foxy wears that black leather jacket zipped all the way up! I think he looks so hot in that thing! (But as we all know, he'd look hot in a potato sack);)

Jack is the character who doesn´t allow anybody to be neutral because he shows so much deep emotion.

Jack is the character who doesn´t allow anybody to be neutral because he shows so much deep emotion.

Jack is the only character to show such deep emotion, imo. Sure, they are all "emos", some more than others. But there is a huge difference between Jack and his many different levels of emotion and the way he expresses himself, and having the same attitude and expression towards everything that comes your way. That is what makes Jack's character so much more compelling than the others and that is why he still has a story and a purpose, imo.

While he's not perfect (although pretty damn close;) ) - he tries so hard to do the right thing, for everyone. He never ever thinks of how the consequences might effect himself - it's always about someone else and how they are feeling and how they will be effected. Even people who have done nothing but betray him since they got there. He still looks out for their well-being. Out of all of them - who else does this? NO-ONE!:eek2:

Take Care.
DL

While sitting between baby feeds today I had time to dribble my way through some epi's. I found myself drawn to THP (there's a surprise...burgundy shirt (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/huntingpartycap796.jpg)...hello!!!!).
I get replaying the scene of Jack with Sarah in the kitchen over and over and I just wanted to reach out and hug him harder (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/huntingpartycap751.jpg) everytime I watched it. Now I have studied it several times and for many different reasons but my heart and stomached flipped everytime he said the line "I hate what's happening to us."
I tell ya, he'd only have to say that once to me and I'd be :thud: - not that he should be explaining himself to her anyway....:mad:

Once again he is so concerned with other's feelings rather than his own in such an unselfish way. Hot and considerate...what's not to love? (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/hunting-promo06.jpg) :winkkiss:

Monday Morning Art Appreciation Class - Advanced Studies

Classroom Location: FoxDen

Professor: Claudia

Subject Matter: Emotional Jack

Submission: Compassionate Heartbreak (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/composition/HeroQuestionMark.jpg)

This is one of my most favored quietly emotional pictures of Jack. You know he is struggling inside, watching Hurley so devastated, and we know Jack is probably blaming himself for not protecting a Lostie,and he thinks Ben did it!! Yet he has to do what must be done for Libby. The care in the placement of his hand gently on her is evident. And he doesn't get Hurley to move from Libby's side, when he is obviously in Jack's way medically. There is the briefest amount of determination on Jack's face too.

Class Challenge/Question: What is your most favorite emotional Jack moment? (pics are good for studying)

I Choose Jack!

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All of these responses have been wonderful, and the visuals most...ahem...effective. I have not seen this one listed yet, and I love it, so I choose what I think is one of Jack's great defining moments as a character.

In All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues, I love the amazing scene where Christian is trying to manipulate Jack into signing his false report. Jack resists and Christian throws every manipulative parent trick in the book at him, and finally lands on a strategy that works: to offer the things he knows Jack hungers for more than anything - his love and approval. The whole scene is brilliantly done, but the very moment where Christian touches Jack on the shoulder (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-115-462.html)and Jack's face collapses and he wilts under that one simple gesture, and we see everything we really need to know about the past 40 years of his life.

What does that moment tell us about Jack? A lot of things -- that he's emotionally damaged, that he's not had much love in his life, that he's constantly sought, and never really received his dad's approval. But most of all, it says to me that this is a man who is both deeply vulnerable and lacking in judgment where his heart is concerned. Both these things have been seen in abundance on the island, and you wonder what further trouble he's going to get in because of it.

Anyway, just wanted to add that to the lovely pile of Jack moments we're compiling.

TSTID

In All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues, I love the amazing scene where Christian is trying to manipulate Jack into signing his false report. Jack resists and Christian throws every manipulative parent trick in the book at him, and finally lands on a strategy that works: to offer the things he knows Jack hungers for more than anything - his love and approval. The whole scene is brilliantly done, but the very moment where Christian touches Jack on the shoulder (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/hetouchedme.jpg)and Jack's face collapses and he wilts under that one simple gesture, and we see everything we really need to know about the past 40 years of his life.

I completely agree and your description and interpretation of this scene is very accurate and compelling. At first, Jack is completely pissed at Christian, disappointed in his father who seemingly has 'what it takes' but didn't seem to have 'it' when it mattered. Jack is completely, vehemently against letting his father off the hook, but Christian finds a way to wrap Jack into the mess he's made. He says, "You're a part of the team, Jack. I'm not the only one on the hook for this. You called me off. You were the surgeon of record when she died..." Drag Jack into the mud with you Christian when you were the surgeon who severed her hepatic artery. Talk about a 'team effort'...

Jack is just so completely wiltered and affected by the simple gesture of Christian touching his shoulder, it's probably the only physical showing of affection that Christian has ever offered to Jack. This scene has so much to it and the underlying theme of it all is that Christian KNOWS that he's not the best father and he doesn't apologize for that, he simply says, "I've had to sacrifice certain aspects of my relationship with you so that hundreds and thousands of patients will live because of your extraordinary skills...." There it is. Christian telling Jack that he's great and wonderful and extraordinary, everything that Jack has ever wanted to hear. All in that same line, IMHO, it's like Jack wasn't enough or worthy of Christian's attention and love. He says that he has sacrificed certain aspects of his relationship with Jack so that he can basically save the world one patient at a time.

When Christian says, "And after all, what I've given -- this is not just about my career, Jack. It's my life", I mean, how is Jack supposed to say 'No' to that? He knows how to press Jack's buttons, he knows how to break him and turn his steel into soft metal. He knows that Jack wants his love and approval and he uses that desire and that desperation within Jack to get exactly what he wants, in this case, Jack's signature.

Great scene and great analysis TSTID. :biggrin:

Erica

Ahem... erm... 'scuse me...

I... erm... I'm going to interrupt this vein of intellectual discussion to appeal to your um... senses.

There's a 2008 Lost Calendar out for those who purchase the DVDs online, which sparked a little idea inside my poor, sleep-deprived, exhausted brain.

I bring a little gift for you: CANDYMAN 2008. (http://share.shutterfly.com/action/project/0IcsXDZo2bsXGA/landing)

( Go to VIEW CALENDAR then navigate by clicking on the months above the cover)

*goes to collapse on the couch*

:ntworthy: Ahem... erm... 'scuse me...

I... erm... I'm going to interrupt this vein of intellectual discussion to appeal to your um... senses.

There's a 2008 Lost Calendar out for those who purchase the DVDs online, which sparked a little idea inside my poor, sleep-deprived, exhausted brain.

I bring a little gift for you: CANDYMAN 2008. (http://share.shutterfly.com/action/project/0IcsXDZo2bsXGA/landing)

( Go to VIEW CALENDAR then navigate by clicking on the months above the cover)

*goes to collapse on the couch*

Well done Clauds!!! Thank you for this...especially March - I thank you on behalf of all Pisceans.

I bring a little gift for you: CANDYMAN 2008. (http://share.shutterfly.com/action/project/0IcsXDZo2bsXGA/landing)

Clauds, I bow to you for I am only a peasant in your kingdom lol. :ntworthy: That's awesome! Thank you for bringing me back to the light. I've been so Jack-deprived lately that I couldn't even bring myself to smile. This made me smile...BIG TIME.

Okay, so on behalf of all birthdays in October (I was born in that month ;))...thank GOD for pinstrips...I just want to wipe that sexy, cocky smirk off his face by taking that tie and dragging him off into a secluded hotel room...and make all my birthday wishes come true...:naughty:

Erica

Ahem... erm... 'scuse me...

I... erm... I'm going to interrupt this vein of intellectual discussion to appeal to your um... senses.

There's a 2008 Lost Calendar out for those who purchase the DVDs online, which sparked a little idea inside my poor, sleep-deprived, exhausted brain.

I bring a little gift for you: CANDYMAN 2008. (http://share.shutterfly.com/action/project/0IcsXDZo2bsXGA/landing)

( Go to VIEW CALENDAR then navigate by clicking on the months above the cover)

*goes to collapse on the couch*

Awesome !!!!! ;)
Thanks.
Love, Alice

Ahem... erm... 'scuse me...

I... erm... I'm going to interrupt this vein of intellectual discussion to appeal to your um... senses.

There's a 2008 Lost Calendar out for those who purchase the DVDs online, which sparked a little idea inside my poor, sleep-deprived, exhausted brain.

I bring a little gift for you: CANDYMAN 2008. (http://share.shutterfly.com/action/project/0IcsXDZo2bsXGA/landing)

( Go to VIEW CALENDAR then navigate by clicking on the months above the cover)

*goes to collapse on the couch*

Awesome calendar Clauds. I just have one quick question. Is there a way to save this calendar WITHOUT having to become a shutterfly member?

I bring a little gift for you: CANDYMAN 2008. (http://share.shutterfly.com/action/project/0IcsXDZo2bsXGA/landing)



Excellent work my friend - he truly makes every month special in oh so many ways...yum...

Ooooooooooh.... I'm loving July!!! (My birthday month)

One of my fave Foxy shoots, he wears the hook necklace (SQUEE!) AND I loooooove mango!!!

PERFETTO!!!

:thud:

Mine is June and I like the pic.:biggrin:

Ahem... erm... 'scuse me...

I... erm... I'm going to interrupt this vein of intellectual discussion to appeal to your um... senses.

There's a 2008 Lost Calendar out for those who purchase the DVDs online, which sparked a little idea inside my poor, sleep-deprived, exhausted brain.

I bring a little gift for you: CANDYMAN 2008. (http://share.shutterfly.com/action/project/0IcsXDZo2bsXGA/landing)

( Go to VIEW CALENDAR then navigate by clicking on the months above the cover)

*goes to collapse on the couch*

:74happy: Oh sweets, you rule and you've made every Foxhussy's birthday wishes come true. :winkkiss: Now that's what they should package and market. :ntworthy:

Happy long weekend to all US hussies! I'm glad you enjoyed the Candyman calendar, ladies. You're worth it. ;) I'm going to make a Jack Calendar but I'll wait for your input. Give me your favorite hi res Dr.Jack pictures that you think fit each month and maybe we'll come up with another... finger-licking theme. ;) The offical Lost calendar is nice, but as much as I love Michael Emerson, I think we agree with TSTID that there are other alternatives for our birthmonths...

Krystal, I don't really know how it works because I only got an account last night before I started making it, but it takes less than a minute so it shouldn't keep you from enjoying it. Maja, I knew July would be a crowd pleaser. Personally, September and November are the months that might stay up on the wall long after I have to flilp the page.


I get replaying the scene of Jack with Sarah in the kitchen over and over and I just wanted to reach out and hug him harder (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/huntingpartycap751.jpg) everytime I watched it. Now I have studied it several times and for many different reasons but my heart and stomached flipped everytime he said the line "I hate what's happening to us."

See, I do have to pay more attention to that episode (both DVDs containing it are scratched from too much use :hypocrit: )... you're right, he does feel very guilty, not only for kissing Gabriela, but also for not being what Sarah needs (attention!garden implements should refrain from marrying surgeons just as a general rule) and I wonder if she ever did talk to him and told him what's bothering her before she found other fun ways to occupy her time because he seems to be the only one reaching out, wanting to talk to her. Sarah just expected him to be ecstatic about having a child with her (even though she was screwing another guy at the time) and when he wasn't, she didn't even stop to wonder why or talk to him when he was willing to do it. I was still very sympathetic to her after this episode aired and I defended her; it's actually realistic that she'd feel victimized in all of this because that's just who she is. I don't hate her, in THP less than in any other episode actually, but she's no victim.

August is certainly a GREAT month! It will be August all year long in 2008 (at least in my house!) ;)

Thanks Claud!

Doc

I have been doing some extensive research and I came across some VERY important facts....

"Chocolate causes certain endocrine glands to secrete hormones that affect your feelings and behavior by making you happy. Therefore, it counteracts depression, in turn reducing the stress of depression. Your stress-free life helps you maintain a youthful disposition, both physically and mentally. So, eat lots of chocolate!"

In connection to that.....

"Foxy causes certain endocrine glands to secrete hormones that affect your sexual drive and behavior by making you horny (did I say that? lol). Therefore, he neutralizes severe misery, in turn easing the strain of despair. Your anxiety-free existence helps you maintain a fresh and young nature, both physically and mentally. So, oogle lots of Foxy!"

In conclusion, FOXY + Chocolate = ONE HAPPY Erica! :naughty:

*mumbles the lyrics to 'Candyman'....He's a one stop shop, makes the panties drop...He's a sweet-talkin', sugar coated candy man...A sweet-talkin', sugar coated candyman...*

Erica

Rewind Review: All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" by TSTID

Everybody's explicated and dissected this one so many times already, I will try (and undoubtedly fail) not to ramble on like a mental patient.

OK, I think we all agree this is a seminal episode, for Jack and the series, yes? So what's so great about it anyway? A lot of things! And here they are, in no particular order:


1. The Jungle.
The jungle is one of Lost's great characters, and any time that it is featured prominently in an episode, as it is here, you know you’re going to get some hard-core Heart of Darkness doo-doo hitting the fan. The gloomy shade of the forest is a great revealer of characters’ darker sides. It brings out the eerie detachment lurking just beneath Locke's cheery and helpful demeanor; it turns Jack's hard-driven protectiveness and compassion into hot-headed, often unwise, impulsiveness that is seemingly driven by an engine of anger, guilt, and self-loathing; and it can flip Kate's tomboy pluck on it's ear and incite the knee-jerk reaction to give up and flee, even when a companion's life hangs in the balance. Personally, I think Jack, Sawyer, whichever lucky guy or guys ends up with the little freckly sociopath between now and 2010 should take note of this and do what they can to save themselves. And on top of all of the already incredibly great stuff, we get the Trudging, the Yelling, the Running, the Sweating, the Angst, and the Almighty Blessed Glaring! The jungle gifts us with all of this and that's why I think we need way more of it in Season 4.

2. The Real Power Couple Emerges.
What is it with this "shipping" business? We all know the only couple that matters in the story is Jack and Locke! Their strange and twisted relationship personifies the major conflict in the story, and here midway through Season 1, their roles in each other's lives are starting to solidify. Locke is realizing that his appointed leader isn't all that controllable, and might actually be a huge problem for him, and Jack is realizing that maybe he's more than just an irritating old coot -- that he's perhaps a certified and dangerous nutjob. Before we know it, things will have deteriorated between them to the point where an unhinged and delirious Jack will greatly enliven a depressing funeral by attempting to strangle Locke in cold blood to the amusement of all.

3. Jack As Adorable Incompetent
Jack is so incredibly competent that it’s a real joy to see him at a total loss once in a while, which is what happens whenever he’s allowed out into the jungle without a chaperone. Here, he runs around in circles like a beautiful idiot, getting all sweaty and fussy, shouting ineffectually, and picking up the occasional offending leaf or twig and GLARING at it like if it doesn’t tell him everything he wants to know RIGHT NOW, he’s going to slam it against the wall and yell at it until it bends to his will. You just know the closest he’s ever been to this kind of communion with the Great Outdoors is looking for his golfball in the rough, and he seems to regard the jungle in this episode like an ill-tended green that he really will have to speak to the greenskeeper about ASAP. Damn, but I absolutely love him when he’s clueless, he's so effing adorable.

4. Jackbacks!
Oh, how I love them. I love them all. I love them all the time. I could watch JackBacks 24/7, particularly when they involve his elegantly bitter and dissipated father, the great Christian Shephard!

Jackback 1- Here we see a typical day at a large urban hospital, with doctors covering for each others’ drunken manglings of helpless patients. In this case, it's Jack covering for his tipsy dad. Eventually, the machines that go ping go all quiet, and people get all serious and sad instead of going “Oh well,” and wandering off to place their bet in the Trauma Center football pool like they do in real-life LA hospitals, because, you know, this is TV. Anyway, Jack and Christian snipe at each other with great venom over who gets to announce the death, and everyone is made to feel very uncomfortable, especially those at home, at the vitriol oozing from the TV screen like green slime. It's a great scene, that sets the stage for even more fantastic things to come!

Jackback 1 Assignment (multiple choice). What is Christian is thinking here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-115-77.html)?

“Please, God, let her live, and I swear that I will mend the error of my ways and only operate if I've consumed four or fewer martinis at lunch. Amen.”
“Please, let her die. I just know I can get EmoBoy to sign that form if I promise him an ice cream and a pony."
“I wish there was a bar in here, I need a drink like a sonofavincent.” Jackback 2 – In Jackback 2, we see that Christian is in deep doo-doo because, having spent 40 years raising his son in a loveless, exacting, pitiless home environment, he is having a hard time getting Jack to lie and cover his *** for him. What Christian does next gives us a scene that is such a beautifully written and acted bit of character-defining shorthand that it boggles the mind. He drags out every time-honored dirty parenting trick in the book -- he bullies, he cajoles, and then finds a strategy that works: he offers him the one thing he knows his son craves more than anything in the world -- his love and approval. And he gives it, and accompanies it with a little gesture, a hand on Jack's shoulder, that makes this big, strapping young man wilt like a deflated balloon. In that one moment, you get all you need to know about Jack, and see all that is broken, all that is hopeful, and all that is dark, twisted, and fragile. Simply gorgeous. There are few finer moments in the series.

Jackback 3 – We are treated to a short interlude, as Jack takes a short nap after having the crap kicked out of him by his knock-kneed, overenunciating nemesis, Ethan Rom, in which we see Jack strolling the halls of St. Sebastian's like a runway model in Milan. He sees his dad work the dead patient's husband as he just worked him, and looks beautifully troubled about it.

Jackback 4 - You have to hand it to Christian, he’s smooth. Jack learned a lot of things from his dad, but this wasn’t one of them. Anyway, Christian’s bottom-covering meeting is well underway, and it's all going well, when -- oops -- someone lets it slip that the victim was pregnant. Here, we see that Jack, above all, values life -- above his own happiness, above his father's well-being, any semblance of family experience that he has. (Think he wants to be a father much?) This is a good quality for a doctor to have, and it spurs him to turn in his father in righteous anger. But as we see in Through the Looking Glass, even the most well meaning and proper actions can have disastrous personal consequences. In ruining his dad's life, he makes himself partially responsible for his death, and when that happens, something in Jack dies too. And you can see that he knows this in his face as he amends his statement. I almost feel pity for Christian here, but can't because of this look.


5. Charlie Lives! For now.
Oh yeah, and Charlies dies but is revived by Jack, who saves him by giving him CPR with an enthusiasm that borders on aggravated assault. I picture Charlie asking Jack how all his ribs came to be broken, and Jack blaming it on Ethan. Anyway, taken in tandem with Jack's miraculous healing of Sarah, which I think he repeats here, this underscores his special gift of healing which, of course he shares with...(ominous music)...the island itself. Anyway Jack saving Charlie has big ramifications down the road because as we know, Charlie actually does die helping his friends call the rescue boat so they can help them escape. Oh, wait. That's no rescue boat, it's the Boat of DEATH and HORROR. So, maybe Kate was right. He should have just given up when she said and let him die and they would have been all better off.

In Other ATBCHDI News:

- Boone makes a friend. A very, very deadly bald crazy friend.
- Sawyer gets PWNED by an 11 year old.
- Sawyer and Sayid have a totally pointless conversation.
- A hatch is found in the jungle. I'm totally sure nothing comes of that or anything.

Is there anything I dislike about the episode? Yes. Kate. She just really irritates me with her silly stories of hiking with her dad, her unlikely skill sets, that "mature" attitude that is so reminiscent of girls in high school who wish you to know that they are all grown up now, and the way she turns on the waterworks when the pressure is on. Jack maybe could have used some help bringing Charlie back. Maybe some rescue breathing or something? Meh. Meh on her.

I will attempt to add beautiful photos to illustrate my points, but my connection is crashing so I must be off now.

TSTID

WHOA TSTID.....:eek2: .....brilliant!

I was just telling Clauds that I inadvertently skipped ATBCHDI in the Rewind and I was going to go back to it, but after that review, no thank you. You ROCK.

Erica

Sawyer and Sayid have a totally pointless conversation.

Pure exposition filler, but I can forgive Javi because of Naveen's delivery.

The Jack Show Rewind. Outlaws: The One I Fastforwarded Through This Time But Still Caught Outstanding Jack Show Moments.

The first of these was deleted from the final version because I suppose there was enough screentime for the Shephard clan anyway. It's a lovely scene between Jack and Claire and I *know* it exists on YouTube, I just couldn't find it so you'll have to settle for the script.



JACK AND CLAIRE in the caves. Jack has his fingers on her wrist, checking his watch as they talk:


CLAIRE (looks around)
So this is, like, our infirmary?

JACK
(shrugs)
Next best thing.


CLAIRE
I have a friend back home -- she’s really into holistic medicine --the whole “hospitals are evil, keep things natural” bit... She’d love this place.

JACK (grins)
Any nausea? Headaches? She shakes her head. JACK (CONT’D) Has the baby been moving at all?


CLAIRE (nods)‘S like he’s running laps in there.

Jack removes his fingers from her wrist.


JACK
Well if he’s as strong as your heart rate, you’re both in great shape...
(beat)How are you holding up otherwise?And we’re on Claire for a beat as she hesitates, then:

CLAIRE
Okay.

JACK
Memory coming back?


CLAIRE
In bits and pieces. (beat) Certain people... seem familiar. Like I’ve met them before in
another life. (beat) Helps, more I talk about it.Brings things into focus, you know. She shuffles a bit, getting at what’s bothering her. But... everyone’s avoiding me. (beat) I think I freak them out. I’m “the weird amnesia chick.”

JACK
Nice to meet you “weird amnesia chick,” I’m the “heroic doctor.”


CLAIRE
Is that so?

JACK
Minus the heroic part. Claire smiles as Jack says in his most comforting tone -- Give ‘em time. (beat) They’re just... confused.


CLAIRE
Yeah, well...(beat) I know how they feel.

OFF CLAIRE, trying not to show how alone she feels --


Random assorted moments when I pushed Play during the SkipRewind:

*Charlie makes his own shovel to bury the Other he recently pumped full of lead. See, Charlie, if you really were catnip for the ladies (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/sunapproves.jpg)and not just groupie fodder, you wouldn't need to make your own shovel (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/3x18_0084.jpg).

*Locke's story about the golden retreiver that was inhabited by his dead sisters' spirit. Sawyer's reaction is trademark Keanu: "WHOA", while Kate is one snort away from a Classic Locke Look (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Exodus/Lost_1x24_Exodus28229_0552-Ar.jpg)of ":dog:, please!"

And yes, I know what you're thinking... It was Vincent, or his evil grandmother sent to spy on future Baldilocks.

*The single most awesome Sayid line ever: "Perhaps it wanted to go camping." :roflmao: I'm going to leave the pleasure of finding that screencap to mom and/or yasy, because I know they're fond of it.

*When you first saw Hibbs, did you squeal and say "Heee. Doggett!!!" or "Hee! Liquid Terminator Guy"? Either way, Robert Patrick and Robert Patrick's Jawline are icons of popculture.

*Hurley is their Mother Hen and Camp Psychologist again. He's kinda made of awesome that way.

You know who else is simply made of awesome? John Terry in the bar scene, that's who. I'm particularly fond of the way he utters everything from "But what I really feel? Is gratitude. And pride. Because what he did to me?... For me? It took more courage than I have..." That sense of tragic, ironic pride seeps through the way he acknowledges his son's courage, something I think he both admires and resents in Jack, just like Jack both loves and despises his father (there's a lot of venom in his voice when he tells Sawyer about the Red Sox being MADE :rolleyes: to suffer).

I need to keep this link (bar scene plus Sawyer realizing who Jack is and the Exodus scene tagged at the end) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kULb36DhzE4) and show it every time someone comes up with yet another theory about Christian as The Leader Of... well... anything. There's a great parallel between Sawyer and Christian in this scene, a sense of kinship and lucid wallowing in self pity that's absolutely wonderful. Oh, how heartbreaking you are, Christian Shephard. You should show up in every single flashback of every character, I could watch you all day long.

This episode's little life lesson: when at a crossroad in life, do NOT take Christian's advice. See Do No Harm for further reference.

I'm not sure I'm posting this in the correct place, but I'll try.

I'm new here. Somebody suggested this site to me, and I decided to stop and say hi. I haven't had too much time to check it properly, but I alreayd love what I've seen!

I'm a Foxy lover, a Jater, and a big Jack fan. So, in other words, I was trying to introduce myself in the forum, even if I'm not sure if this is the correct place to do it. I hope I'm not messing anything up!

I'm not sure I'm posting this in the correct place, but I'll try.

I'm new here. Somebody suggested this site to me, and I decided to stop and say hi. I haven't had too much time to check it properly, but I alreayd love what I've seen!

I'm a Foxy lover, a Jater, and a big Jack fan. So, in other words, I was trying to introduce myself in the forum, even if I'm not sure if this is the correct place to do it. I hope I'm not messing anything up!


Welcome laura!

I can't think of a better place for your first post than the Fox Den!!

You're not messing anything up. This is the right place for all things FOXY!! It might seem a little slow in here right now, but don't worry, it will pick back up. It's fun here and very insightful. LOTS of wonderful pictures of FOXY popping up every now and then. And everyone here is very very nice. So, feel free to post away about how much you LOVE Foxy because that's why all of us "Foxhussies" are here!!;)

Have fun!!:biggrin:

Doc

I'm not sure I'm posting this in the correct place, but I'll try.

I'm new here. Somebody suggested this site to me, and I decided to stop and say hi. I haven't had too much time to check it properly, but I alreayd love what I've seen!

I'm a Foxy lover, a Jater, and a big Jack fan. So, in other words, I was trying to introduce myself in the forum, even if I'm not sure if this is the correct place to do it. I hope I'm not messing anything up!

Welcome! You are indeed in the right place. In fact, it's the rightest possible place to be for someone of your excellent taste! :) Kick off your shoes and stay a while!

TSTID

Hey, Laura! Don't worry, you're not doing anything wrong. There's an introduction forum where you can meet the world at large, but this is the place for Jack love and all things The Jack Show so jump right in and have fun with your fellow hussies. :biggrin:


*mumbles the lyrics to 'Candyman'

Guess which song I was listening to while working on that calendar? :angelnot:
the Almighty Blessed Glaring! The jungle gifts us with all of this

As much as I absolutely adored your review, TSTID, I have to disagree with the above statement. Yes, the Jungle is an important character and it is beautifully featured in this episode. But give a fellow hussy his due! Nobody makes him glare like Locke (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Exodus/Lockelook.jpg). Nobody. :ntworthy:



3. Jack As Adorable Incompetent
Jack is so incredibly competent that it’s a real joy to see him at a total loss once in a while, which is what happens whenever he’s allowed out into the jungle without a chaperone. Here, he runs around in circles like a beautiful idiot, getting all sweaty and fussy, shouting ineffectually, and picking up the occasional offending leaf or twig and GLARING at it like if it doesn’t tell him everything he wants to know RIGHT NOW, he’s going to slam it against the wall and yell at it until it bends to his will. You just know the closest he’s ever been to this kind of communion with the Great Outdoors is looking for his golfball in the rough, and he seems to regard the jungle in this episode like an ill-tended green that he really will have to speak to the greenskeeper about ASAP. Damn, but I absolutely love him when he’s clueless, he's so effing adorable.


:roflmao: He really is.

Jackback 1- Here we see a typical day at a large urban hospital, with doctors covering for each others’ drunken manglings of helpless patients. In this case, it's Jack covering for his tipsy dad. Eventually, the machines that go ping go all quiet, and people get all serious and sad instead of going “Oh well,” and wandering off to place their bet in the Trauma Center football pool like they do in real-life LA hospitals, because, you know, this is TV.

And they were also worried the husband was going to sue. I actually thought he might have after Christian's "condition" was revealed and I wondered for a while if Jack got into trouble for covering for him in the first place. The timeline confuses me and when he was in Thailand he was still a doctor so... he probably got away with it.



Jackback 1 Assignment (multiple choice). What is Christian is thinking here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-115-77.html)?

“Please, God, let her live, and I swear that I will mend the error of my ways and only operate if I've consumed four or fewer martinis at lunch. Amen.”
“Please, let her die. I just know I can get EmoBoy to sign that form if I promise him an ice cream and a pony."
“I wish there was a bar in here, I need a drink like a sonofavincent.”

*raises hand* Oooh, me, me, me!!!

I think b and c combined.


What Christian does next gives us a scene that is such a beautifully written and acted bit of character-defining shorthand that it boggles the mind. He drags out every time-honored dirty parenting trick in the book -- he bullies, he cajoles, and then finds a strategy that works: he offers him the one thing he knows his son craves more than anything in the world -- his love and approval. And he gives it, and accompanies it with a little gesture, a hand on Jack's shoulder, that makes this big, strapping young man wilt like a deflated balloon. In that one moment, you get all you need to know about Jack, and see all that is broken, all that is hopeful, and all that is dark, twisted, and fragile. Simply gorgeous. There are few finer moments in the series.


I remember I didn't want to start watching the next episode in the marathon after this one because I was still under the spell of this scene (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/jcmoment.jpg). Jack does looks like a kid (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/daddy-issues0474.jpg)who's overwhelmed and is about to kick his feet about on the ground. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/daddy-issues0473.jpg)and avoids eye contact. He just needs to be hugged tightly.


Here, we see that Jack, above all, values life -- above his own happiness, above his father's well-being, any semblance of family experience that he has. (Think he wants to be a father much?)


We know he's scared of it, but I don't know... Does he? He didn't want to have a child with Sarah considering the state of their marriage and the fact that he hated what was happening to them.


And you can see that he knows this in his face as he amends his statement. I almost feel pity for Christian here, but can't because of this look.



I do feel pity for Christian all throughout the episode, but he's not the one that deserves it. Two innocent people died after all and he's manipulating his son and being a jerk. And yet I do. What really stops me from crying a river about Christian though is the way he says "I've sacrificed certain aspects of my relationship with you..." HIS sacrifice. :rolleyes:

My Review of “Do No Harm” [1x20]

This episode just touches my heart in way that I had forgotten because I haven’t seen it in awhile. First off, Jack….and Boone…..tragic. Secondly, Kate and the way that she took care of Claire…I miss that Kate. Third, the motif of life and death, rising and falling, sunrise and sunset, as Aaron is being born, Boone is dying. Last, but certainly not least….Jack. I mean, this episode, in a sense, embodies everything that this man has been struggling with emotionally and it captures his vulnerability, his passion, his drive in ways that haven’t been done in the previous episodes.

Jack-Backs: My Pride and Joy

The Jack-Backs are the aspects that I love about Jack-centric episodes. I’m in love with Jack in ANY time and in ANY space, but we learn so much about him in light of his past and we can then watch him grow and evolve. I’m going to take a page from TSTID’s book (if she doesn’t mind lol) and I’m going to discuss each Jack-Back as it pertains to what’s going on with Jack on the island, in trying to save Boone.

Jack-Back #1: Mark Silverman – Man’s Best Friend

This is a very small scene, but it says so much about the nature of Jack’s relationship with long-time pal Mark Silverman. Based on the conversation, I get the feeling that Mark isn’t exactly the most responsible person in the world and that Jack is like a big brother to him, putting him in line and setting him on the right path in a sense. We saw in ‘White Rabbit’ that Mark was the most popular punching bag for the playground bullies and we saw that Jack was the only one there to stand up for him, to try to save him.

I love this scene because come on…Jack is in a freakin’ wifebeater (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm052.jpg)…and I just want to take a chunk out of his shoulder…detour…sorry. I also love this scene because Mark in a way sees that Jack is nervous and that he’s having second thought about everything. I know that it’s common for the best man to give that ‘you are going to be married to the SAME woman for the rest of your life…it’s gonna suck big time’ speech to the groom, but there was something else about this. Mark says, “You can still back out, Jack” and what we know about Jack, about the fact that he’s so loyal and dedicated, that he’s never going to do that, he’s never going to hurt Sarah that way.

Jack-Back #2: Sarah – “And then there was Jack…”

I have to say that I cringe every time I watch this scene because of the simple fact that Sarah is basically glorifying Jack in a room full of people and he is very uncomfortable with that (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm161.jpg). I actually liked Sarah in this episode, and it’s all because she appeared to really be in love with Jack and she couldn’t wait to marry him (smart girl…for now…). She says, “And he promised he would fix me, because that's the kind of guy he is. Because you are the most committed man I have ever known…” and I can’t help but wonder if this is why she’s marrying Jack. We saw in “Man of Science, Man of Faith” that her fiancé Kevin was a supreme jerk and ran out on her at the thought of having to take care of her if she could never walk again, so finding someone like Jack makes a woman want to hold on for dear life. I can tell that Sarah loves Jack, but I can’t help but wonder about her motives and her judgment. Her entire speech is about how Jack saved her and it’s a very touching and endearing story, but what made you fall in love with Jack, Sarah? This is my question here.

Jack-Back #3: Forget Billy Joel, Jack is the real 'Piano Man'…

There is something about a man, there’s something about JACK, sitting in front of a piano while brazen hussies sit on the sidelines and gawk at what must be the most enticing view they have ever seen. We all have dreams and thoughts about the man, but this piano scene just makes my heart swell until it’s about to burst into a million heart-shaped pieces (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm322.jpg). Okay, everyone knows that I have a huge fetish about his hands and fingers and the piano-playing only heightens the length of his glorious fingers and those large and adoring palms…weapons I tell ya. He’s so serene and solemn in that scene. I love it. I just want to come up behind him, wrap my arms around him until he begs me to let go…which he won’t…not in my version anyway lol.

Okay, so the bride-to-be shows up in her pajamas and ruins the entire scene for me lol, well nothing can ruin Jack for me, but you know what I mean. At some point, Jack looks toward the hotel entrance and sees a woman getting out of a taxi, praying and hoping that his father shows up. Sarah comforts him, telling him that he’s coming. This is very interesting here. I over-think everything, but the fact that Sarah knows that Jack is anxiously awaiting his father’s arrival says something. She knows that Christian’s approval and attention is important to Jack and the way that his face drops a bit when he realizes that his father hasn’t arrived yet signifies that. There’s so much vulnerability and need in Jack’s eyes in that moment. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm351.jpg)

It’s also evident in this scene that Sarah is just so excited to marry Jack and Jack is not as enthusiastic about this. I know Jack, I feel as though every moment of him in every episode I learn something about him and how to read him, his facial features and what they say to me, his tone and what that conveys about what he’s thinking and feeling and in this scene, he’s not excited about the upcoming festivities. Sarah says, “I cannot wait to marry you Jack Shephard” and as she’s walking away, Jack gets this pensive look on his face (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm361.jpg). Sarah can easily say that she can't wait to marry Jack, but Jack obviously has the coldest feet this side the North Pole.

Jack-Back #4: Christian – “Commitment is what makes you tick…”

Okay, now if I were Sarah, my sexy, adorably lustful and ‘oh so hot’ fiancé would not be downstairs by himself. That’s just me. Vows or no vows, he can wing it for all I care, as long as he’s there and as long as he loves me. Okay, onto Christian. He finally shows up, finding his son tinkering on the edge of drunkenness and deciding to join the merriment. This might be the one and only conversation we’ve seen from these two (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm543.jpg) that doesn’t involve the other being severely disappointed, hurt, manipulated, judgmental, and any other emotionally inflicting sentiment you can think of. There’s just a father with his son who is about to start the rest of his life in the morning.

Christian can read his son very well and he sees that he’s conflicted and troubled. He asked, “Do you love her?” Jack says definitively, “Absolutely”. Christian asks him, “Then why are you sitting out here?” Jack knows why he’s sitting there, because he doesn’t know what to do, he doesn’t even know what to say to his bride as they stand at the altar. Jack doesn’t hesitate to ask his father the questions that have been lingering in the back of his head from the moment he proposed. What if I can't be the husband, or the father, that I want to be? What if I asked her because I saved her life? Should I marry her, dad? I mean, these are not easy questions to answer and I think that Jack has all the answers, I think that he knows that he can’t do this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm560.jpg), that he can’t marry Sarah, but what Christian says next is the reason why he’s marrying Sarah. “Commitment is what makes you tick, Jack. The problem is you're just not good at letting go.” This is it. Jack is simply a very committed man and he takes that commitment very seriously, but he doesn’t know how to let go, walk away, throw in the towel and accept that the situation is hopeless

(continued in the next post)

Jack-Back #5: Jack – “I didn't fix you…you fixed me…”

This is yet another scene where I cringe and can’t stand to watch it. I know how this ends up for them. I know that Sarah breaks Jack’s heart into a million pieces by walking out on him, and in hindsight, I want to throw up when I watch this scene. I guess that’s what the Jack Rewind is all about, looking at things with the ‘lenses of retrospection’. He says, “I didn't write any vows. I've been trying to for a month, but I couldn't. So I started to wonder why that was. And as time went on it only got worse -- because I'm, because I'm not good at letting go.” So Jack believes (in light of what Christian told him the night before…word to the wise….NEVER take Christian’s advice…) that this is why he’s gotten to this point, because he doesn’t allow himself the luxury of letting it all go.

He also says, “Or maybe I'm afraid of what'll happen if I fail.” (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm686.jpg) We all learned during ‘White Rabbit’ that Jack has a very huge pet-peeve when it comes to failing. He doesn’t like to fail nor does he ever want to fail and when he does, it crushes him. The situation here is that he didn’t want to fail Sarah. I mean think about Sarah’s rehearsal dinner speech, she called him her hero, that’s a very high and mighty perception to live up to. Jack is as loyal as a dog is to his owner and he can ‘do no harm’ to Sarah. Like I said previously, Jack is simply a very committed man and he takes that commitment very seriously, but he doesn’t know how to let go, walk away, throw in the towel and accept that the situation is hopeless, and this is greatly demonstrated in the island-story.


Jack: "I'm going to fix this...I'm going to save you..."

Okay, so we know that Jack has major issues with having to fix things and the need to save people, because it’s in his blood to take action, he doesn’t know how to sit back and watch others suffer. To start this episode off, Jack has to take Locke’s shady story about Boone falling off a cliff and make a diagnosis about how to save him. Boone is in and out of consciousness, and Jack is determined to save him. The way that Jack leans in and tells Boone, “You are not going to die. I'm going to fix this, okay? I am going to save you” (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm080.jpg) it reminds me of when he leaned into Sarah before the procedure and whispered “I’m going to fix you.” Jack learns from Boone that Locke lied about the circumstances that led to Boone’s condition and at that point, Jack is just enraged that Locke has lied and ran off on top of that. Locke…*shakes head*… what have you done THIS time?

Sun: Modern-day Florence Nightingale….well…sorta….

I’ve also liked Sun but I specifically like her in this episode simply because she’s there for Jack (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm187.jpg). Their interactions and moments in this episode really shed light on the nature of their friendship. She can see that Jack is completely losing it, not having exactly what he needs, but she helps him the best way that she can. She’s there for him when he has to set Boone’s leg, when he has to transfuse his own blood (that in itself is heroic…wow), when he needs to know that he needs to stop and rethink the situation. When Jack gets impatient with her and with the entire situation, she’s still there doing her part, and she doesn’t seem squeamish or afraid of the blood and the pain that Boone is going through (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm198.jpg) at the moment. She stayed strong and that’s what Jack needed, a rock so that he didn’t have to be strong all the time.

Jack and Sun: “You're not helping him. You can't save him, Jack. You just can't!”

After Jack has done everything that he can possibly do, he decided that the leg has to go, that it’s the only alternative to save Boone, to not fail. Sun sees that Jack is beyond reason at this point (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm582.jpg), but she tries anyway. She sees that Jack is tired and fed up with having to watch his friends die all around him and he’s going to do something about it this time, no matter how drastic it is or how long it takes. Amputating the leg is a very drastic choice, but it’s the only choice, the only alternative they have.

Now Jack, as a surgeon, who took a medical oath to uphold the ethics to never do harm to his patients and he has completely forgotten about that at this point. Look at where they are, they are back in the most primitive conditions and it’s understandable that in order to save Boone he has to do the unthinkable. Sun shows Jack that Boone is bleeding from the inside and that amputating his leg won't help him, that it will only harm him. It takes Boone to make Jack stop, to let go, to give up. Sun and Jack share this glance (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm636.jpg), and in that moment, I believe that Jack knows that Sun is right (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm637.jpg), but the truth hasn’t sunk in for him yet. This is what Christian was talking about. We see that every setback that Jack experiences when trying to save Boone, it's like the fuse being lit to some explosive device. Jack is ticking, about to explode if he doesn't do what he set out to do.

Jack and Boone: “Let me go, Jack…”

I believe that I talked about this scene before in this thread (I think that it was in response to the ‘favorite emotional Jack moment’ question) and what more can I really say about it? Jack is being asked to do what his father said that he doesn’t know how to do. Boone is ready to let go and Jack can’t allow it. It’s completely heart-breaking because before Jack moves to lower the cargo door, he’s standing there, his head leaning against the door (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm721.jpg), he’s tired, worn out emotionally, thinking about if he could really do it, if he can really let go, release that commitment, and just let Boone die.

Boone knows what’s happening to him (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm734.jpg), he knows that he could never survive what’s happening to him in the conditions that they’re in, that Jack will need every single resource that they have to save him, and Boone is thinking about the camp as a whole. He doesn’t want Jack to use all of his resources to save his life, because if something happens to someone else, there won’t be much to use in light of saving them. Boone has accepted his fate, knows that he’s all messed up inside and that Jack can’t save him this time. Jack breaks my heart all the time, but there’s something in the way that he whispers ‘I’m sorry’ (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm732.jpg) that just makes me cry. I actually cry during this scene after seeing it for the millionth time. Jack is just so drained and he’s letting go and it’s so painful for him…the dichotomy of doing good yet doing no harm.

“First Do No Harm”...not in the Hippocratic Oath?

The episode title always tells the viewer something about the episode and what it entails for the centric character. I wondered why they chose this title. I knew of the term ‘do no harm’ because I thought that it was a part of the Hippocratic Oath, an oath many physicians take when they enter medical practice.

According to my research:

The Hippocratic Oath does not and never did contain those words (nor was it actually written by Hippocrates, according to many sources). It expresses a similar idea, but never employs the words "First, do no harm."

It is the opinion of many scholars that Hippocrates did, in fact, originate the phrase, but did so in his Epidemics, Bk. I, Sect. XI. One translation reads: "Declare the past, diagnose the present, foretell the future; practice these acts. As to diseases, make a habit of two things — to help, or at least to do no harm."

The Greek "First, do no harm" becomes "Primum non nocere" in Latin. A translation of the original perhaps, but some sources attribute "Primum non nocere" to the Roman physician, Galen.

Today there is no single oath that all physicians take upon entering practice. Depending on where they earn their medical degrees, they may take any one of many pledges, but all embody the ethics and ideals of Hippocrates, the acknowledged father of modern medicine.

The exact wording of the original oath has been subject to dispute, as translations and interpretations of the original Greek have varied. Complicating the picture are the many modernizations of the oath which take into account changes in language, social mores, and medicine itself over the centuries.

My rating for this episode: 5 out of 5 stars…I think that the reason is quite obvious. ;)

Erica

P.S. Great review of "Outlaws" Clauds! :thumbsup: Also, welcome to you Laura!

I need to keep this link (bar scene plus Sawyer realizing who Jack is and the Exodus scene tagged at the end) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kULb36DhzE4) and show it every time someone comes up with yet another theory about Christian as The Leader Of... well... anything. There's a great parallel between Sawyer and Christian in this scene, a sense of kinship and lucid wallowing in self pity that's absolutely wonderful. Oh, how heartbreaking you are, Christian Shephard. You should show up in every single flashback of every character, I could watch you all day long.

Thanks for finding that link Clauds. 3 very powerful scenes that show the interplay between Sawyer/Christian, Sawyer/Jack and (implied) Jack/Christian. I love the look on Jack's face when Sawyer says "Christian" - he'd suspected it was his father but the confirmation it was nearly breaks him. He manages to convey: Pain over the unresolved relationship; Guilt over his role in his father's crash and burn and for not being there when he needed him; Fear of hearing the rest of what Christian had to say about him and; a tinge of relief, I think, that he'll finally find out for sure what happened to his father. In a great physical acting choice, he also, at this point, begins to regress and shuffle his feet and look down (as you mention in that other scene), becoming that wounded child we all love.

Sawyer is never more lovable than when he's doing something kind for someone else, despite his struggle to make everyone hate him and, hey, could those jeans go any lower in the last scene (please please please)? The dimples on his lower back...:thud:

I remember I didn't want to start watching the next episode in the marathon after this one because I was still under the spell of this scene (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/jcmoment.jpg). Jack does looks like a kid (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/daddy-issues0474.jpg)who's overwhelmed and is about to kick his feet about on the ground. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/daddy-issues0473.jpg)and avoids eye contact. He just needs to be hugged tightly.

I adore Christian (who's still alive, by the way;) ) even when I hate him. Was it you, Clauds, who referred to him with the phrase "elegantly bitter"? No, reading back, I see, of course that it was Boone. Excellent turn of phrase, TSTID, as usual.

I'm not sure I'm posting this in the correct place, but I'll try.

I'm new here. Somebody suggested this site to me, and I decided to stop and say hi. I haven't had too much time to check it properly, but I alreayd love what I've seen!

I'm a Foxy lover, a Jater, and a big Jack fan. So, in other words, I was trying to introduce myself in the forum, even if I'm not sure if this is the correct place to do it. I hope I'm not messing anything up!

Welcome home Laura! Hope we hear from you often.

07:06 PM Claudia815 - Im finally back here! - Ive missed all you girlies loads!
Im back here though because I desperately need a virtual hug - most of you know Im a horse riding instructor...today, our darling horse Jack had to be put down after a very nasty bout of colic. The poor old man just didnt have the strength to fight it any more...so after 20 years of knowing him, and loving him to bits I had the honour of being with him when he passed away...

My days of riding Jack are over ... ( no need to be jealous anymore girls)

Angie

07:06 PM Claudia815 - Im finally back here! - Ive missed all you girlies loads!
Im back here though because I desperately need a virtual hug - most of you know Im a horse riding instructor...today, our darling horse Jack had to be put down after a very nasty bout of colic. The poor old man just didnt have the strength to fight it any more...so after 20 years of knowing him, and loving him to bits I had the honour of being with him when he passed away...

My days of riding Jack are over ... ( no need to be jealous anymore girls)

Angie

Hello Angie, I don't believe we've met. I'm Erica. I'm so sorry to hear about your horse Jack. That's very unfortunate and very sad indeed. I'm a great lover of any animal and losing a beloved animal is a very saddening situation to go through. I hope that you are able to cope and pull through this.

:hug:*hundreds of virtual hugs for you* :hug:

Erica

Hello Angie, I don't believe we've met. I'm Erica. I'm so sorry to hear about your horse Jack. That's very unfortunate and very sad indeed. I'm a great lover of any animal and losing a beloved animal is a very saddening situation to go through. I hope that you are able to cope and pull through this.

:hug:*hundreds of virtual hugs for you* :hug:

Erica


Awwwwww...no we havent met - nice to meet you.


And a massive thanks for the hugs!

Angie
xxxxx

07:06 PM Claudia815 - Im finally back here! - Ive missed all you girlies loads!
Im back here though because I desperately need a virtual hug - most of you know Im a horse riding instructor...today, our darling horse Jack had to be put down after a very nasty bout of colic. The poor old man just didnt have the strength to fight it any more...so after 20 years of knowing him, and loving him to bits I had the honour of being with him when he passed away...

My days of riding Jack are over ... ( no need to be jealous anymore girls)

Angie

Oh Angie - I'm so sorry.:broken_heart: I'm glad you were with him and I'm sure he knew you loved him a lot just by being there so he wouldn't be alone. He probably hated to leave you. It's so sad.

Aw,Angie I'm really sorry for your horse..! *hugs*

Erica I'm in love with your reviews *le sigh*


“I didn't fix you…you fixed me…”


Personally,I think this line is VERY powerful and I've always felt like they kinda..threw it away by making him saying that to Sarah.. considering how it ended between them and considering I'm personally convinced that Jack has never truly loved her.We're in the middle of the journey,but we've seen Jack changing a lot already,that is the path he's following, and I feel that that was a line that should have been spoken at the end of Jack's journey,when he WILL be "fixed" and most of all,it should have been said to his potential true love.and that was definitelty not Sarah.

Jack and Boone: “Let me go, Jack…”

I believe that I talked about this scene before in this thread (I think that it was in response to the ‘favorite emotional Jack moment’ question) and what more can I really say about it? Jack is being asked to do what his father said that he doesn’t know how to do. Boone is ready to let go and Jack can’t allow it. It’s completely heart-breaking because before Jack moves to lower the cargo door, he’s standing there, his head leaning against the door (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm721.jpg), he’s tired, worn out emotionally, thinking about if he could really do it, if he can really let go, release that commitment, and just let Boone die.

Boone knows what’s happening to him (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm734.jpg), he knows that he could never survive what’s happening to him in the conditions that they’re in, that Jack will need every single resource that they have to save Boone, and Boone is thinking about the camp as a whole. He doesn’t want Jack to use all of his resources saving his life, when if something happens to someone else, there won’t be much to use in light of saving them. Boone has accepted his fate, knows that he’s all messed up inside and that Jack can’t save him this time. Jack breaks my heart all the time, but there’s something in the way that he whispers ‘I’m sorry’ (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm732.jpg) that just makes me cry. I actually cry during this scene after seeing it for the millionth time. Jack is just so drained and he’s letting go and it’s so painful for him…the dichotomy of doing good yet doing no harm.

I cried (and still cry) my eyes out during that scene. "i'm sorry".... GHA. it gets me everytime.

Jesus Erica - could you make me cry anymore?? (in a good way, I mean). Excellent review and an even better eppy!! That last picture of Jack kills me. That man would have walked on water if it meant he could save Boone! So sad. And what a freakin' amazing job Foxy did with that eppy. Everyone was great, but Foxy just made the entire eppy as far as I'm concerned. I just love remembering how totally amazing he is in every single way.

Dany, I'm not sure about you, but I would much rather have seen Jack's pants like that instead, but that's just me!!

And Angie - I don't know if we've met or not, but I am so sorry about your loss. Horses are amazing animals and I hope that you always remember all the fun you had with Jack. Take Care.

Franci - I agree that that particular line should have been saved for something and someone really really special who Jack truly loved, and imo it is not and never was Sarah! (but that's another ship)

Doc

My days of riding Jack are over ...

No girl should ever have to say that! I'm sorry, hon! C'mere... :group: There. Just keep the good times you shared and remember them often.

I love the look on Jack's face when Sawyer says "Christian" - he'd suspected it was his father but the confirmation it was nearly breaks him. He manages to convey: Pain over the unresolved relationship; Guilt over his role in his father's crash and burn and for not being there when he needed him; Fear of hearing the rest of what Christian had to say about him and; a tinge of relief, I think, that he'll finally find out for sure what happened to his father. In a great physical acting choice, he also, at this point, begins to regress and shuffle his feet and look down (as you mention in that other scene), becoming that wounded child we all love.

He does do that again, doesn't he? I don't think I've noticed it before but wow... just like in the finale, you can make a list of facial expressions and emotions he manages to convey in just a few seconds. And all he says is a strangled "Yeah..." throughout the whole thing.

I adore Christian (who's still alive, by the way;) )

WhatEVER! :42fight: :biggrin: I wish they did another crossover that would allow us to see what Christian did in Australia because Two For The Road was mostly from Ana's point of view. And yes, I know the most likely answer is down one drink after the other and then get into a squirmish with some random guy in the hotel lobby and then drink some more. Right? Unfortunately, I think they're done with pre-flight Australia flashbacks.

Personally,I think this line is VERY powerful and I've always felt like they kinda..threw it away by making him saying that to Sarah.. considering how it ended between them and considering I'm personally convinced that Jack has never truly loved her.


Actually, I think it was perfect the way it is. In my opinion, Jack did love Sarah. A lot. And what makes that line so powerful is the fact that he truly believed it: that for the first time he had someone in his life who did love him unconditionally and loved him without all the strings that came attached with his parent's affection ("that's how you mold soft metal into steel" and crap like that). Or so he (foolishly) thought at the time because he needed to believe that. What he felt, what his gut told him, is another matter.

Erica, wow... I don't even have to rewatch the episode now. :clapping: Actually, I will, but I just wanted to clap anyway.

“Then why are you sitting out here?” Jack knows why he’s sitting there, because he doesn’t know what to do, he doesn’t even know what to say to his bride as they stand at the altar. Jack doesn’t hesitate to ask his father the questions that have been lingering in the back of his head from the moment he proposed. What if I can't be the husband, or the father, that I want to be?"

"What if I suck at it just like you?" (I would have said that :biggrin: ) I guess that answers my earlier question about whether Jack wants to be a father or not.

The Jack Show Rewind. Outlaws: The One I Fastforwarded Through This Time But Still Caught Outstanding Jack Show Moments.
Even this episode starts off clearly as The Jack Show with the "Previously...on Lost" moments including the ATBCHDI medical hearing flashback with Jack and Christian. One of the few times another character's flashbacks have been used in the review teaser, right? On to The Shephard Show:

The first of these was deleted from the final version because I suppose there was enough screentime for the Shephard clan anyway. It's a lovely scene between Jack and Claire and I *know* it exists on YouTube, I just couldn't find it so you'll have to settle for the script. It's also on the S1 DVD's disc 7, just as written here. This time around it struck me about "as if I''ve known them in another life", knowing what we know now. Cool.

*The single most awesome Sayid line ever: "Perhaps it wanted to go camping." :roflmao: I'm going to leave the pleasure of finding that screencap to mom and/or yasy, because I know they're fond of it. One of my favoritest ever Sayid lines. That and the deadpan smirk (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x16-outlaws/outlaws076.jpg)with which he delivers it.

*When you first saw Hibbs, did you squeal and say "Heee. Doggett!!!" or "Hee! Liquid Terminator Guy"? Either way, Robert Patrick and Robert Patrick's Jawline are icons of popculture. I think I first thought "Liquid Terminator Guy!" but he was great.
Now Jack gets a certain amount of flak and admiration for his penchant for slamming people against the wall (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-promos/sea2/finale2/finalepromo11.jpg), but actually I believe Sawyer is the first to slam someone against the wall (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x16-outlaws/outlaws127.jpg)in the series, to Hibbs here.

I need to keep this link (bar scene plus Sawyer realizing who Jack is and the Exodus scene tagged at the end) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kULb36DhzE4) and show it every time someone comes up with yet another theory about Christian as The Leader Of... well... anything. There's a great parallel between Sawyer and Christian in this scene, a sense of kinship and lucid wallowing in self pity that's absolutely wonderful. Oh, how heartbreaking you are, Christian Shephard. You should show up in every single flashback of every character, I could watch you all day long.

This episode's little life lesson: when at a crossroad in life, do NOT take Christian's advice. See Do No Harm for further reference.

It's time to pull out Javi's quote about the important character relationship, from a May 2005 interview:
"You can't have Sawyer without Jack," supervising producer Javier Grillo-Marxuach says. "The thankless job that Jack has is to be the straight man. They're the duality. They're one of the most important character axes on the show.
"Everyone talks about Jack and Kate and the romance, but it's really Jack and Sawyer. Sawyer represents everything Jack can't be. He's the id, and Jack is the superego. Hurley's the ego."

I'll leave the id/ego stuff to the psychology students, but this quote was interesting in that Javi says Sawyer is everything Jack can't be, not the other way around. Sawyer can blow people off and read all day, Sawyer doesn't have to take responsibility, and doesn't have to worry about anyone but himself. In the same article/interview, Foxy describes Sawyer as "a negative hole of self-serving energy."

So in this episode Sawyer is hearing some of the same messages Jack has heard in his life. Hibbs’ mate in Sydney tells Sawyer: When it comes down to it, if he finds he doesn’t have what it takes to do the job…
12-year-old Jack heard that in WR from Christian, that by failing he’ll show that he doesn’t have what it takes. Now Sawyer’s goal is to kill a man; Christian goes on to tell young Jack that he can have someone die under his hands and still have what it takes. They’re not that far off after all.

Then these two men meet by fate in a Sydney bar.
Christian in the depths of his own weakness just thinks he’s giving an encouraging bit of advice to another hard-on-his-luck Yank. (heh – imagine Sawyer's reaction to being called a Yank :rolleyes: by an Aussie.)
So Christian gives both Sawyer and Jack the same fatherly advice that happens to be bad for both of them: follow through with it. Sawyer with the murder of the shrimp man; Jack with his wedding. Christian’s so sure of his own wisdom that he doesn’t probe enough or listen to either person to find out what the real story is.

So back on the island when Sawyer has that moment of realization, he keeps it to himself, being that self-serving hole of negative energy, to see if after mulling it over awhile he could use it to his advantage. But as Dany pointed out, Sawyer is at his best when he's doing something for someone else, which for Jack he saved as a parting gift in Exodus.

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Thanks for finding that link Clauds. 3 very powerful scenes that show the interplay between Sawyer/Christian, Sawyer/Jack and (implied) Jack/Christian. I love the look on Jack's face when Sawyer says "Christian" - he'd suspected it was his father but the confirmation it was nearly breaks him. He manages to convey: Pain over the unresolved relationship; Guilt over his role in his father's crash and burn and for not being there when he needed him; Fear of hearing the rest of what Christian had to say about him and; a tinge of relief, I think, that he'll finally find out for sure what happened to his father. In a great physical acting choice, he also, at this point, begins to regress and shuffle his feet and look down (as you mention in that other scene), becoming that wounded child we all love. It's the favorite scene of so many people, not just Jack fans, even after 3 seasons. He's got like one word in the whole scene and yet he conveys all that emotion. And Sawyer gets everything right in what he tells him.

Sawyer is never more lovable than when he's doing something kind for someone else, despite his struggle to make everyone hate him and, hey, could those jeans go any lower in the last scene (please please please)? The dimples on his lower back...:thud:

I think Jack noticed them too (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x23-exodus1/exoduspart1-325.jpg)...;)

"Everyone talks about Jack and Kate and the romance, but it's really Jack and Sawyer. Sawyer represents everything Jack can't be. He's the id, and Jack is the superego. Hurley's the ego."

Okay, so I actually took a psychology class last semester, so let me take a stab at this:

1. THE ID: functions in the irrational and emotional part of the mind. At birth a baby’s mind is all Id - want want want. The Id is the primitive mind. It contains all the basic needs and feelings. It is the source for libido (psychic energy). And it has only one rule --> the “pleasure principle”: “I want it and I want it all now”. In transactional analysis, Id equates to "Child".

Id = bound up in self-gratification and uncaring to others

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2. THE EGO: functions with the rational part of the mind. The Ego develops out of growing awareness that you can’t always get what you want. The Ego relates to the real world and operates via the “reality principle”. The Ego realises the need for compromise and negotiates between the Id and the Superego. The Ego's job is to get the Id's pleasures but to be reasonable and bear the long-term consequences in mind. The Ego denies both instant gratification and pious delaying of gratification. The term ego-strength is the term used to refer to how well the ego copes with these conflicting forces. To undertake its work of planning, thinking and controlling the Id, the Ego uses some of the Id's libidinal energy. In transactional analysis, Ego equates to "Adult".

Ego = extremely rational and efficient, but cold, boring and distant

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3. THE SUPEREGO: The Superego is the last part of the mind to develop. It might be called the moral part of the mind. The Superego becomes an embodiment of parental and societal values. It stores and enforces rules. It constantly strives for perfection, even though this perfection ideal may be quite far from reality or possibility. Its power to enforce rules comes from its ability to create anxiety. The Superego has two subsystems: Ego Ideal and Conscience. The Ego Ideal provides rules for good behaviour, and standards of excellence towards which the Ego must strive. The Ego ideal is basically what the child’s parents approve of or value. The Conscience is the rules about what constitutes bad behaviour. The Conscience is basically all those things that the child feels mom or dad will disapprove of or punish.

Superego = feels guilty all the time, may even have an insufferably saintly personality

WOW, this is Jack to a T. I mean, come on, Jack is the leader, he has to make the rules and he's very stern when he has to make rules and enforce them. He embodies trying to stay civilized and present a societal atmosphere in a situation that may call for anarchy at any minute. Jack is ALL ABOUT his morals and the measure of right and wrong, the true essense of ethics. Jack is NOT perfect, but he does strive for prefection at times and when he comes up short, that's when he bottoms out big time and goes to the mattresses (Godfather reference...lol).

"The superego feels guilty all the time, may even have an insufferably saintly personality"....this is Jack and it is completely descriptive of how he takes EVERYTHING to heart and he feels extreme guilt when he fails the people around him. I mean, Jack has a tremendous amount of power and responsibility and when he makes the wrong choice and goes in the wrong direction, he feels that chronic pain of guilt that doesn't go away. Jack is not a saint, but has been referred to being one on the show numerous times. Jack is selfless, giving and he has a great heart...so if that signifies a saint, then Jack is pretty darn close to it.

I'll leave the id/ego stuff to the psychology students, but this quote was interesting in that Javi says Sawyer is everything Jack can't be, not the other way around. Sawyer can blow people off and read all day, Sawyer doesn't have to take responsibility, and doesn't have to worry about anyone but himself. In the same article/interview, Foxy describes Sawyer as "a negative hole of self-serving energy."

I think that what Javi says is true. It could be interpreted the other way around as well (Jack is defintely everything that Sawyer can't be...it's a duality, you can't have one side of the coin without the other...), but it's the things that Jack CAN'T be that Sawyer represents. Jack can't be selfish, he can't be petty, he can't be irresponible, that's not who Jack is. Jack can't practice the 'pleasure principle' because he's so giving that he always forgets to take care of himself and cater to his own needs and desires, whereas Sawyer can basically forget about the world and focus on 'me, me, me'. Jack can't leave one of his own behind and not lift a finger about the situation at all (again, I'm not trying to bash Sawyer here, just comparing both Jack and Sawyer and their polar-opposite personalities...). Jack is truly a great man, it's as simple as that.

Oh and I LOVE Foxy's description of Sawyer. I love that man more and more every day. :wub:

Erica

P.S. Thank you ALL (Claudia, Daphne, Franci...) for your GREAT comments about my review of DNH. I greatly appreciate it. ;) YOU GUYS ROCK. :biggrin:

Hellooooo My Hussies... :biggrin:

Its my honor to drop off my very first Jack vid ever here in the Den. I had a ton of fun making it - Usually I make Jate vids but, Clauds helped me pick this song and I couldn't resist. I really hope you guys enjoy it - Jack just doesn't get enough thanks in this fandom for what he has done for all of the Losties - he is my favorite character BY FAR and this show should be proud to be able to call him their lead character.

Jack - Kryptonite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7tlSbh9Bxk)

Again, I REALLY hope you guys like it!

:kiss: Lovey

Welcome laura!
I can't think of a better place for your first post than the Fox Den!!
You're not messing anything up. This is the right place for all things FOXY!! It might seem a little slow in here right now, but don't worry, it will pick back up. It's fun here and very insightful. LOTS of wonderful pictures of FOXY popping up every now and then. And everyone here is very very nice. So, feel free to post away about how much you LOVE Foxy because that's why all of us "Foxhussies" are here!!;)
Have fun!!:biggrin:
Doc


Thanks! I'm sure I'm going to enjoy it! I haven't had the opportunity to read over the threads too much, this is the beginning of what will be a really hard week (back to work, ugh), but I'll be sure to catch up with everything every time I've got the chance to get to the computer. After all FOXY is far more important than work! :biggrin:


Welcome! You are indeed in the right place. In fact, it's the rightest possible place to be for someone of your excellent taste! :) Kick off your shoes and stay a while!


Thanks for the welcome Claudia! And I agree, we all have an excellent taste! EXCELLENT!


Welcome home Laura! Hope we hear from you often.


You can be sure about it Dany_E! I can't wait to start sharing everything in my head about HIM. yes, in caps!

Jack - Kryptonite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7tlSbh9Bxk)

LOVEY...that was the awesomest (I know that's not a word, but Jack has that effect on me...my brain shuts down and I have no control over any of my faculties...he's my kryptonite...) video EVER. Just amazing. The song (go Clauds!), the editing, the clips....BRILLIANT....:ntworthy:

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Where are my manners?! Welcome to the Den Laura! :Welcome: I'm so glad that you found us! I can't wait to read and hear more from you!

Lovey - I certainly don't need any coffee this morning seeing as watching your new video was the first thing I did when I got up!!:eek: That was amazing! :grin: It really got my blood going and it was a great song and a perfect way to wake up.:biggrin:

OMG! I Miss Lost and Jack sooooo much!!:frown: This is killing me. I'm just going to wach Jack and Jate videos all day long.:eek2: Seriously, Lovey, that was really a good video. Let me ask you a question...towards the middle of the video there is a shot of Jack sitting there with a white long sleeved shirt on and he's crying.:cry: What eppy. was that from and what was he upset about? I'm not quite as educated when it comes to the names of certain eppys. But that one shot of Jack really got to me. And also the scene when the Others are shooting the electical darts at them and Jack puts Kate over his shoulder and tries to run (I know what eppy. that one is from) but .......................Damn!! How dare they make us wait soooo long.:mad: If it wasn't for these rewinds and you guys right now, my family would kick me outta here! They all think I'm crazy, but we here know better, right?;)

Thanks for the wake-up. I'm off to watch it again and some other AMAZING Jack and Jate videos. How do people NOT see how amazing Jack is???? I will never understand that one!

Take Care,

Doc

Oh Lovey - the vid is spot on. I loved that song anyway but with Jack it just leaves you :thud:. Thanks for doing it :thumbsup:

I'm having Jack withdrawals - I keep flipping through epi's and even though I have two children to run around after I ended up making a Jack/Juliet vid and making some icons when they napped rather than sleeping myself..tut tut. That's the effect Jack/Foxy has on me. And I don't get why people still don't get him either.

And I don't get why people still don't get him either.

Helly, as long as we all here know how absolutely incredibly amazingly wonderful Jack is, then the rest of them will just be missing out.;) Now, GET SOME REST MISSY!!

Doc

Oh Lovey - the vid is spot on. I loved that song anyway but with Jack it just leaves you :thud:. Thanks for doing it :thumbsup:

I'm having Jack withdrawals - I keep flipping through epi's and even though I have two children to run around after I ended up making a Jack/Juliet vid and making some icons when they napped rather than sleeping myself..tut tut. That's the effect Jack/Foxy has on me. And I don't get why people still don't get him either.
Aw helly, we'll wait. Do like the Doc said and get some rest - especially in those rare moments when both of them are napping! (That never happened with me :frown: )

I'd like to remind you all AGAIN to STAY ON TOPIC in this thread. It is not acceptable that you write HUGE passages in your posts that have nothing to do with Jack.

Also try to focus on the Jack aspects in your rewind review posts and try not to wander off too much. If you want to share your thoughts about the episodes in general, please post them in the official rewind threads in the episode forums.

This thread is about Foxy and Jack only.

Laura, good luck and don't stress too much. Come here for relaxation. Oh, and just because every newbie (myself included) asks at one point or another. To quote more than one post... Hit the quote button to reply to a single post and the last little button on your lower right-hand corner on every post you want to quote and then reply and all the posts you want are going to show up in the reply window. Took me a whole year to figure out cause I was too damn stubborn to ask. :biggrin: I hope it helps.

Clauds helped me pick this song and I couldn't resist.

And by "helped me", she means bullied, whined and stomped her feet until she got her way. *snaps fingers* Wanted it. Whined about it. Got it. :angel:

You included my Jack Daniels OTP! :biggrin: Everytime I see that tree exploding, I can practically feel the baby kick.

Helly, as long as we all here know how absolutely incredibly amazingly wonderful Jack is

Do you :heart: your Jack? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezr8ZXiP66c) The Sky One hussies sure do.

What eppy. was that from and what was he upset about?

White Rabbit, upset about his father's death on top of the plane crash and him being messed up in general.

mom, thanks for that excellent review. I love Javi, I'd never seen that before and I'm glad he included Hurley. They all make up different facets of our personalities and that's why Lost's characters are so relatable.

Just wanted t say thanks for all the kind words about Jack (the horse!) and Ive just found out that the PC is going away to be fixed tomorrow and may take 2 weeks! EEK...so I take this oppertunity to thank you all, love you and leave you - and go back to watching season 1 on DVD!

See you all in 2 weeks!

Angie
xxxxx

Angie-

TWO WEEKS!!! YIKES! Well, I promise you we will all be here when you return!

Take Care.

Doc

I like that we're each rewinding at our own pace because it makes parallels easier to spot for those of us who don't have mom's talent. The one that struck me this time was Christian's opinion of Jack in ATBCHDI and Outlaws.

I believe that even though Christian is manipulating Jack, his mastery of the art relies on the fact that he believes everything he says. I think he truly believes Jack is a great surgeon, but only because that reflects on his own greatnes, his own sacrifice by which he deigned to mold soft metal into steel so he can save thousands of lives and live vicariously through his son.

After the rough awakening he gets by losing everything that made him The Great Dr.Shephard, Christian is able to admit that he was wrong and he's the one who doesn't have what it takes: the courage to do what's in his heart. Of course, he tells all to a complete stranger as he's about to drink himself to death, but it's still interesting to see the road he's travelled.

I'm still not sure if Jack wanted to be a father or not. That's something I'll have to ponder once I rewatch Do No Harm and The Hunting Party. (Seriously... did he? Any thoughts on that? I'm not used to being clueless when it comes to my tv boyfriend. It feels... wrong)

Speaking of which... Erica... trust me. You were NOT the only one who reacted like a squealing fangirl to the piano playing. I blame the cold meds I was on at the time. :hypocrit: If you look at the cap you posted, the two blurred out hussies in the background are quite enthralled as well.

No school today, but I expect Art Class submissions for this week to help us get back to procrastinating at work. :smart:

My Stream-of-Consciousness Review of "Whatever the Case May Be" by TSTID

Here is what I was thinking as I watched this episode for the rewind.

"I would like more attention from Jack, so I am going to dip my severed artery (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-74.html)into a lake full of corpses." -- and now, ladies and gentlemen, "Million Dollar Mermaid" re-enacted by a cast of attractive felons (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-103.html)-- "Sorry, Freckles. If these pants go down any lower (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-170.html), they'd move us to HBO." -- "Jack, I need to speak with you (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-218.html). I would like to join the JackHussy Brigade immediately." "OK, well, the line starts back there (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-244.html)." -- "Let's see, murder, fraud, grand theft auto, identity theft, resisting arrest, assault with a deadly weapon, impersonating a coffee table book photographer. Yup, you're a sociopath, or my name's not Mark Hutton. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-280.html)" -- "Nadia? Nadia who (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-363.html)?" -- Does the fact that this scene (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-433.html)reminded me of the Samsonite Gorilla ads mean that I'm old? -- "I'm sorry, but without a close-circuit camera and a bear cage (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-463.html), I just can't get in the mood." -- (in Korean) "Your graying temples (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-506.html)are a major turn-on." "The girls go nuts for the 6-inch scar on my scalp (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-507.html)also." -- "Exhuming a corpse (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-592.html)was a great idea for a first date, Kate, and picking the dead guy's pocket (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-637.html)is the cherry on top." -- "This look means I'm very, very, very, very, very, very disappointed (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-660.html) in you. Do you feel worthless and unfit to live yet? Good!" -- Here is one of those special shots of the back of Foxy's head where you can also see his nose (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-661.html). All Hail the Mighty Schnozz! -- "It's all lyrics to Bobby Darin songs, OK (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-684.html)? I can't help it if you prefer Vic Damone!" -- "OK, so I'm wearing a shirt made from a Fifties era tablecloth (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-693.html), at least I'm not wearing flannel on a tropical island. -- Having to take perfectly good advice from Sawyer causes Jack physical pain (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-742.html). -- "Would you mind giving me that crazy eyed look that you give Locke (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-836.html)?" "Of course not! Grrrrr!" (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-839.html) "Yes, that's the one. Boy, do I need a cigarette now. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-840.html)" -- Now that I finally have the symbol for my lost innocence in my possession, I find it trite (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-931.html).

TSTID

"Jack, I need to speak with you (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-218.html). I would like to join the JackHussy Brigade immediately." "OK, well, the line starts back there (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-244.html)." --

Can you feel the SYMMETRY???

For those who haven't seen it yet. Tabula Rasa (http://www.darkufo.co.uk/tabularasa.pdf)script:

SAYID

As he falls into step with Jack who heads back towards the tent with a jug of fresh water. These two have instant SYMMETRY. REAL MEN with no need for small talk.


Remember those journalists who turn into mushy fangirls when they interview Matthew Fox? That's what this part reminded me of... :roflmao:

Damon also answers our rewind questions about Jack wanting/not wanting to know about Kate.



"Your graying temples (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-506.html)are a major turn-on." "The girls go nuts for the 6-inch scar on my scalp (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-507.html)also." --


For once, Sun manages to snatch the honorary title of Hussy Of The Week from Locke. "Anybody ever told you you have the most beautiful nose in the world ?" (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/thecase504.jpg)

"OK, so I'm wearing a shirt made from a Fifties era tablecloth (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-693.html), at least I'm not wearing flannel on a tropical island.

I will NOT accept any mockage of the HardWorking Shirt. :schmoll: REAL MEN with no need for small talk or a fashion sense, remember?

Claud - you will get NO mocking from me. That man can wear ANYTHING he wants and make it look good!:o Thanks for the TR script too. I really like reading those just to reiterate what we already know.:biggrin:

Take Care,

Doc

I will NOT accept any mockage of the HardWorking Shirt. :schmoll:

You will too, and you'll like it! Of course, Jack looks stunningly beautiful in the shirt, as he does in everything, but you must admit, the shirt looks like something he stole from his dad's "Give Away to Goodwill" bag.

REAL MEN with no need for small talk or a fashion sense, remember?

No, they desire only symmetry.

TSTID

You will too, and you'll like it! Of course, Jack looks stunningly beautiful in the shirt, as he does in everything, but you must admit, the shirt looks like something he stole from his dad's "Give Away to Goodwill" bag.

TSTID

Boone, see that fugly Dr. Dork in the Tropics shirt in your siggy? How bout we get you some stones....

Boone, see that fugly Dr. Dork in the Tropics shirt in your siggy? How bout we get you some stones....

He got that shirt from the bag of stuff that Goodwill kicked back to his dad.

I know it to be a hideous abomination of apparel, but I fully embrace the horror and love it for what it is. Unlike SOME people!

TSTID

He got that shirt from the bag of stuff that Goodwill kicked back to his dad.

I know it to be a hideous abomination of apparel, but I fully embrace the horror and love it for what it is. Unlike SOME people!

TSTID

It is creepily fascinating in a hypnotic, rubber-necking at the scene of the accident, kind of way, I suppose. Like those weird hairless dogs or cats. Someone has to love them, right?:hug:

Someone has to love them, right?:hug:

Exactly. I love the checkered 50s shirt for its character even though I picked the glamorous Italian couture one. :hypocrit: Someone has to love the ugly kids... and this one we can blame on Claire anyway. She's the one who sorted all the practical clothes.

I happen to like that shirt.... is that wrong? :laughing:

I'm still not sure if Jack wanted to be a father or not. That's something I'll have to ponder once I rewatch Do No Harm and The Hunting Party. (Seriously... did he? Any thoughts on that? I'm not used to being clueless when it comes to my tv boyfriend. It feels... wrong)

Well, this is interesting Claudia, because being 'the lover of all things Jack' that I am, I can't say for certain whether Jack wants to be a father or not. He's just so afraid of not having what it takes. I mean, I think that Jack would make an excellent father. He's a very giving person by nature and a child needs a lot from their parents. I think that Jack would have wanted kids to make Sarah happy, but other than that, I think that he was very weary about being a father, seeing that Christian did such a wonderful job balancing work, a marriage and fatherhood :rolleyes:.

When Sarah mentioned that she missed her period in The Hunting Party, there is this stream of different emotions flowing through the features of Jack's face (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/2/normal_huntingpartycap214.jpg) and in his body language. He sits up in bed as if something has gone terribly wrong, and Sarah can tell that he's not thrilled by the news. There's something within Jack that wants to be a father, but I think that his relationship with his father is holding him back. It's like he's trying to stop a vicious cycle and the only way to do that is to deny wanting children, or something like that lol.

When I see Jack with Aaron (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-promos/sea3/oneofus/normal_promo-oneofus08.jpg), my ovaries are clawing at the walls of my ovarian sacs, crying for some attention and some love...they are literally weeping lol. I don't think that Jack is very comfortable when it comes to Claire pushing Aaron off on him, but he is very gentle and very attentive, his paternal instincts kick in and he just goes with it. The few moments that Jack shared with Walt (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x23-exodus1/normal_exoduspart1-503.jpg)were interesting. He was his friend and he wasn't there to be another father-figure that the poor kid didn't need.

It's a very interesting question: Does Jack want to be a father?

(And it would be tantamount to MURDER if the man doesn't reproduce. I can picture that child with the biggest pair of chocolate brown eyes and a head full of auburn brown locks....*faints*)

Speaking of which... Erica... trust me. You were NOT the only one who reacted like a squealing fangirl to the piano playing. I blame the cold meds I was on at the time. :hypocrit: If you look at the cap you posted, the two blurred out hussies in the background are quite enthralled as well.

Oh yeah, the hussies in the corner are enjoying everything except for the music...:naughty: That scene is just so....Jack. I mean, he's one of the most introverted people on the island. He wears his heart on his sleeve almost all the time, but then there are moments like this one, when he's so wrapped up and transparent that it's easy to see what he's feeling...it's easy to feel for him, to be enthralled by him, to be captivated by him. He drives me insane in such a good way. :biggrin:

No school today, but I expect Art Class submissions for this week to help us get back to procrastinating at work. :smart:

Okay, Head-master, I'm going to have my submission in by the end of this week, if that's okay with you. ;)

My Stream-of-Consciousness Review of "Whatever the Case May Be" by TSTID

Here is what I was thinking as I watched this episode for the rewind.

"I would like more attention from Jack, so I am going to dip my severed artery (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-74.html)into a lake full of corpses." -- and now, ladies and gentlemen, "Million Dollar Mermaid" re-enacted by a cast of attractive felons (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-103.html)-- "Sorry, Freckles. If these pants go down any lower (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-170.html), they'd move us to HBO." -- "Jack, I need to speak with you (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-218.html). I would like to join the JackHussy Brigade immediately." "OK, well, the line starts back there (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-244.html)." -- "Let's see, murder, fraud, grand theft auto, identity theft, resisting arrest, assault with a deadly weapon, impersonating a coffee table book photographer. Yup, you're a sociopath, or my name's not Mark Hutton. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-280.html)" -- "Nadia? Nadia who (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-363.html)?" -- Does the fact that this scene (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-433.html)reminded me of the Samsonite Gorilla ads mean that I'm old? -- "I'm sorry, but without a close-circuit camera and a bear cage (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-463.html), I just can't get in the mood." -- (in Korean) "Your graying temples (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-506.html)are a major turn-on." "The girls go nuts for the 6-inch scar on my scalp (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-507.html)also." -- "Exhuming a corpse (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-592.html)was a great idea for a first date, Kate, and picking the dead guy's pocket (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-637.html)is the cherry on top." -- "This look means I'm very, very, very, very, very, very disappointed (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-660.html) in you. Do you feel worthless and unfit to live yet? Good!" -- Here is one of those special shots of the back of Foxy's head where you can also see his nose (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-661.html). All Hail the Mighty Schnozz! -- "It's all lyrics to Bobby Darin songs, OK (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-684.html)? I can't help it if you prefer Vic Damone!" -- "OK, so I'm wearing a shirt made from a Fifties era tablecloth (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-693.html), at least I'm not wearing flannel on a tropical island. -- Having to take perfectly good advice from Sawyer causes Jack physical pain (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-742.html). -- "Would you mind giving me that crazy eyed look that you give Locke (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-836.html)?" "Of course not! Grrrrr!" (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-839.html)"Yes, that's the one. Boy, do I need a cigarette now. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-840.html)" -- Now that I finally have the symbol for my lost innocence in my possession, I find it trite (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-931.html).

TSTID

TSTID, this review is inspired! All the Jack in the plaid collar button-up shirt....LOVE it. Thanks for such a 'perspective' review. :thumbsup:

Erica

Boone, see that fugly Dr. Dork in the Tropics shirt in your siggy? How bout we get you some stones....

:45:

(What shirt are we talking about anyway?)

Majandra,

We are talkin about a shirt made from a Fifties era tablecloth (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-693.html) - which I happen to LOVE!!

Doc

Can you please stop calling TSTID Boone? :sob: You are confusing me... :sob:

ETA: And I like that shirt... what is wrong with it?

Can you please stop calling TSTID Boone? :sob: You are confusing me... :sob:

ETA: And I like that shirt... what is wrong with it?

LOL! I think they were referring to TSTID's shirt, the Dr. Dork in The Tropics (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x09-stranger/normal_stranger-cap-082.jpg).

Can you please stop calling TSTID Boone? :sob: You are confusing me... :sob:

ETA: And I like that shirt... what is wrong with it?

Sorry Maj. I know you miss him.:frown:

I prefer the checker shirt to the monstrosity that is the Phuket beach shirt. I actually prefer every other shirt I've ever seen to the Phuket beach shirt. Fortunately, TSTID has adopted it to save the rest of us from having to. That is a sacrifice and we love her for it.

I think, as many of you have said, Jack is terrified to be a father. I don't think he doesn't want to - he's just afraid he'll muck it up worse than his own father did. I don't imagine that there are a lot of people who are confidant in their parenting abilities ahead of time. One of my friends is at the panicked "what if I suck at being a mother?" stage of her pregnancy right now.

Sorry Maj. I know you miss him.:frown:

It's not only that... I just think you MEAN Boone when you call TSTID Boone, you know... and then I get confused. :dongetit: And I don't like being confused. :sob:

But I agree about the Phuket beach shirt, that was really... erm... not pretty. :71: But that's okay, you know? You can always rip off any ugly shirt off of his body without feeling bad that you're ruining a nice shirt, you know?

It's not only that... I just think you MEAN Boone when you call TSTID Boone, you know... and then I get confused. :dongetit: And I don't like being confused. :sob: I just finished the Rewind on Deus Ex Machina and I was thinking all the way through it, why did you have to die, Boone? You were so pretty.


But I agree about the Phuket beach shirt, that was really... erm... not pretty. :71: But that's okay, you know? You can always rip off any ugly shirt off of his body without feeling bad that you're ruining a nice shirt, you know? Most of the island shirts would probably fall apart by themselves since they've had the sleeves ripped off already (thank you, thank you) Just don't rip the burgundy shirt off him. You have to save that for Claudia so she can rip it off him.;)

(What shirt are we talking about anyway?)

There can be only one (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/mybelovedfugly.jpg). Because if there were more than one, the world's ugly quotient would become fatally unbalanced, and the planet would destroy itself in self-defense. As it is, the Dr. Dork in the Tropics shirt is so desperately homely that 180 degrees opposite of beauty is not sufficient, and it keeps right on going, ultimately circling all the way around, coming up behind beauty and devouring it, and therefore achieving a kind of epic, terrible exquisiteness all its own.

Lord, I do love it so.

TSTID

Just don't rip the burgundy shirt off him. You have to save that for Claudia so she can rip it off him.;)

I only read the first part of that last sentence and I thought you were going to continue with: "Or she'll rip your heart out." Which... true.

I happen to like that shirt.... is that wrong? :laughing:

Amy! :hug: I see you've survived Amsterdam. Nothing wrong with it and don't let these shallow, shallow people tell you otherwise.

I think that Jack would have wanted kids to make Sarah happy, but other than that, I think that he was very weary about being a father, seeing that Christian did such a wonderful job balancing work, a marriage and fatherhood :rolleyes:.

He knew what was happening to them (well, except for the part where Sarah probably had no clue whose baby it would have been) so it's understandable he wouldn't want to have a child with Sarah.

When I see Jack with Aaron (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-promos/sea3/oneofus/normal_promo-oneofus08.jpg), my ovaries are clawing at the walls of my ovarian sacs, crying for some attention and some love...they are literally weeping lol. I

*pets* We've all been there.


(And it would be tantamount to MURDER if the man doesn't reproduce. I can picture that child with the biggest pair of chocolate brown eyes and a head full of auburn brown locks....*faints*)


If we ask yasy nicely, I'm sure she'll show us her desired mini!Jack. Speaking of which... we were randomly discussing pet names with my best friend yesterday and she announced she was going to name her puppy Jack. I had no idea I had rubbed off on her THAT much. I'm sooo proud of myself. :biggrin:


Okay, Head-master, I'm going to have my submission in by the end of this week, if that's okay with you. ;)


Can't rush one's creative insticts. We'll wait.

I only read the first part of that last sentence and I thought you were going to continue with: "Or she'll rip your heart out." Which... true.


*backs off slowly*

Hey you know... deep down there's only one whose clothes I want to rip off. ;)

Maybe I can ... I dunno... rip off a tiny bit of Jack's shirt? Just a little corner or so? :hypocrit:

I need to rectify something. "Claire's doctor visit" was deleted from "Homecoming", not "Outlaws". Still can't find it online though.

*backs off slowly*

Don't worry, you're safe.

Just a little corner or so? :hypocrit:

Ok, I guess we can manage. It's really not cheating you know... :angelnot:

So I did my Jin-loving rewind of "...In Translation" in the season 1 forum, just wanted to point out a scene for our drinking game:


JACK: Take it easy, man. We don't know that Jin did this.
SAWYER: Oh, you're serious?
JACK: Sawyer, shut up.
CHARLIE: Jack, c'mon we saw him on the beach this morning.
JACK: That doesn't mean that he torched the raft.


:8:

He's also gutting fish with Kate on the beach. Wonder if they borrowed the knives from Locke.

Ah... I've been waiting for this for so long....

The Jack Show Rewind. Numbers: The One Where Jack And Sayid Are The Hot, Pissy Older Brothers To Hurley And Charlie During THE Best Trek. Ever. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/numbersbigbrothers.jpg)

*We start off with Jack checking in on the rescue effort again (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/nose.jpg)and telling Michael he'll get his consigliere, Sayid, to build some doohikey for the raft. Now that's symmetry. :lol2:

And here ladies and gentlemen, we have the recurring theme of my Jack Daniels OTP. If you want energy, whether to propel things or blow :censored: up, you go to the crazy French chick for help. Sayid is not easily convinced though (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/want2dowhat2mywhat.jpg), not even when confronted with all the pretty (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/notintoyouthatway.jpg). Poo (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/poo.jpg).

*Hugo won't take no for an answer though, which sets in motion my favorite Lost trek ever.

*Sayid stomps off to Jack and accuses him of getting Hurley do his dirty work (of using a map to help with the launching of the raft to get rescue), but they can just kiss and make up later. REAL MEN don't hold grudges. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/backshotnose.jpg)

*From here on all you need is to look at the pictures to see what I mean about big brothers and exasperating little brothers (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/wtfareyoudoing.jpg). Jack can see something wrong with Hurley and he's concerned about him when he narrowly avoids the Spiky Trap Of Doom (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/armprn.jpg).

*It only gets better when they get to the bridge (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/bigguyonabridge.jpg). Hurley and Charlie's hot older brothers (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/hurleyshotbigrbothers.jpg)are agonizing as they watch them cross the bridge and it's one of the funniest moments on the show as far as I'm concerend. Sayid still manages to experience a lil' hussy rapture though. Look at that face as he accidentally touches Jack. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/sayidrapture.jpg) :lol2:

STAY THERE (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/staythere.jpg)! We are SO kicking your a**es (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/tellonhim.jpg)when we get to the other side.

*Jack trips Danielle's wire in what is a precursor of the explosive Jack Daniels team.

HURLEY: What? You don't know? Okay, that thing in the woods, maybe it's a monster, maybe it's a pissed off giraffe, I don't know. The fact that no one is even looking for us, yeah, that's weird, but I just go along with it because I'm along for the ride, good old fun time Hurley. Well guess what? Now, I want some friggin' answers.

*Oh, Hurley... I want a bear hug too. :hug:

*Hurley (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/hurleyrocks.jpg) is Jack's hero (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/dudeyourock.jpg)again. I love Sayid being so confused (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/hurleyrocks.jpg)in the background.

I need to rewatch this episode more often.

Numbers is one of those epi's I just don't remember and it is such a good watch. I do love Hurley and like you said Clauds, best trek ever.

Before they even get going there's a little gripping that needs attention. (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x18_Numbers_045.jpg) Then on the outside, Sayid needs a map??!!! The stance says it all. (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x18_Numbers_041.jpg)

Always an explosion with Dr. Sparks (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x18_Numbers_149.jpg)around.
At least the key (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x18_Numbers_156.jpg) hasn't been blown anywhere but where it should be - ah the key....how I miss thee.

And then in appreciation of said Dr., they all share the love. (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x18_Numbers_171.jpg) I do worry about Charlie's line of sight though - serious hussy that he is.

Must go and watch Dr. Jack again - need my Shephard fix.

If we ask yasy nicely, I'm sure she'll show us her desired mini!Jack.

You mean what Claire found in the while looking through the luggage (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Dr%20Jack/shephardkids3.jpg) in Walkabout?
It's a little theory we're working on that started due to much work, at around midnight, and too much procrastination. This was the original scene,

Claire: Jack, Is this your luggage?
Jack: Yes, it is. Thanks for finding it Claire.
Claire: Just one thing... I found this inside it. (pulls out Christian's wallet)
Jack: yeah, it's my dad's wallet...
Claire: (looks at him quizzically) Why do you have your father's wallet with you? Is that like a spinal surgeon thing?
Jack: erm... no..it's just that... what is this all about anyway Claire? It's not like I stole it to use his credit card.
Claire: oh, yea, the thing is...your father's wallet has my picture inside it.
Jack: (insert a Jack WTF? face) errmmmm....
Claire: yea, I thought the same thing, so I looked in it and found his driver's license. Jack, did you know your father had another family in Sydney?
Jack: you mean....? you figured it out?
Claire: Figured what out?
Jack: (whispers) it's one of the show's big twists that we end up being siblings, but they don't want it to be revealed until s3, to give you some story that could last that long, otherwise they'll be bored of you by the time you get your memory back somewhere in the middle of season 2 and kill you off....shhhhhh.... so act like you never saw that picture, and like you have no clue about this ok? But one thing you need make sure of is that, unlike everyone else who will become a hussy, you must never become one, they are doing the whole incest thing with Boone and Shannon. Alright?
Claire: okey dokey.... but wait, if your my brother then you can't deliver my baybee, right? How are they going to pull that off? You know, having the island doctor not deliver the island baybee?
Jack: Oh, I'll be busy pouring my blood into Boone, who'll die anyway...
Claire: oh... ok... you ure do know a lot of stuff...
Jack: well, it is The Jack Show after all ;)

But obviously they couldn't do that, so some last minute editing had to be done. :biggrin:
100%
:smart:

Ok, I know I was supposed to submit something for our Art Appreciation Class, but my computer crashed on my unsaved work file and it pissed me off, so I'm just going to go to sleep instead (because otherwise there is a good possibility I might thrown the computer out the window). Anyway, I am going to submit my entry art work and jot down a few points that first dome to mind. The primary reason why I chose this picture specifically is obvious, but if anyone has any doubt, here's a little hint, ZOMG!FTW!BASKETBALL!DIEZ! (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Dr%20Jack/GQout006.jpg)
Clear enough? So here we go:

1. ZOMG! Basketball!!

2. The perfect jumpshot. a perfect jump, perfect elbow, perfect shoulder, perfect wrist, perfect hand on the ball. Textbook perfect jumpshot. (yes, I am still speaking of his basketball technique)

3. A little shirt misbehavin'

4. Dynamism and directionality

5. Mirroring of his left arm and the palm tree in the background

6. Mirroring of his legs with the pitched roof of his house

7. Mirroring the organic and the man made, the perfect combination of the natural and the industrial. The humane and the rough

8. Defying gravity

9. BEYOND splayness. Just like the archway of a house invites you and welcomes you in, to cross the threshold

10. It's all about form and structure

11. Futurism. There's a whole manifesto about it, you'll know what I'm talking about ;)

You mean what Claire found in the while looking through the luggage (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Dr%20Jack/shephardkids3.jpg) in Walkabout?
It's a little theory we're working on that started due to much work, at around midnight, and too much procrastination. This was the original scene,

Claire: Jack, Is this your luggage?
Jack: Yes, it is. Thanks for finding it Claire.
Claire: Just one thing... I found this inside it. (pulls out Christian's wallet)
Jack: yeah, it's my dad's wallet...
Claire: (looks at him quizzically) Why do you have your father's wallet with you? Is that like a spinal surgeon thing?
Jack: erm... no..it's just that... what is this all about anyway Claire? It's not like I stole it to use his credit card.
Claire: oh, yea, the thing is...your father's wallet has my picture inside it.
Jack: (insert a Jack WTF? face) errmmmm....
Claire: yea, I thought the same thing, so I looked in it and found his driver's license. Jack, did you know your father had another family in Sydney?
Jack: you mean....? you figured it out?
Claire: Figured what out?
Jack: (whispers) it's one of the show's big twists that we end up being siblings, but they don't want it to be revealed until s3, to give you some story that could last that long, otherwise they'll be bored of you by the time you get your memory back somewhere in the middle of season 2 and kill you off....shhhhhh.... so act like you never saw that picture, and like you have no clue about this ok? But one thing you need make sure of is that, unlike everyone else who will become a hussy, you must never become one, they are doing the whole incest thing with Boone and Shannon. Alright?
Claire: okey dokey.... but wait, if your my brother then you can't deliver my baybee, right? How are they going to pull that off? You know, having the island doctor not deliver the island baybee?
Jack: Oh, I'll be busy pouring my blood into Boone, who'll die anyway...
Claire: oh... ok... you ure do know a lot of stuff...
Jack: well, it is The Jack Show after all ;)

But obviously they couldn't do that, so some last minute editing had to be done. :biggrin:

Awesome. I'll check my S1 DVD's for that deleted scene again just in case I missed it. ;)

Ok, I know I was supposed to submit something for our Art Appreciation Class, but my computer crashed on my unsaved work file and it pissed me off, so I'm just going to go to sleep instead (because otherwise there is a good possibility I might thrown the computer out the window). Anyway, I am going to submit my entry art work and jot down a few points that first dome to mind. The primary reason why I chose this picture specifically is obvious, but if anyone has any doubt, here's a little hint, ZOMG!FTW!BASKETBALL!DIEZ! (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Dr%20Jack/GQout006.jpg)
Clear enough? So here we go:

1. ZOMG! Basketball!!

2. The perfect jumpshot. a perfect jump, perfect elbow, perfect shoulder, perfect wrist, perfect hand on the ball. Textbook perfect jumpshot. (yes, I am still speaking of his basketball technique)

3. A little shirt misbehavin'

4. Dynamism and directionality

5. Mirroring of his left arm and the palm tree in the background

6. Mirroring of his legs with the pitched roof of his house

7. Mirroring the organic and the man made, the perfect combination of the natural and the industrial. The humane and the rough

8. Defying gravity

9. BEYOND splayness. Just like the archway of a house invites you and welcomes you in, to cross the threshold

10. It's all about form and structure

11. Futurism. There's a whole manifesto about it, you'll know what I'm talking about ;)
Leave it to the architect to make buildings sound suggestive. :eek2: Well done, my dear. :75happy:
Here's the companion piece (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/frankhaunted3.jpg), where the splayage is also played out in the upper body and hands.

I need to rectify something. "Claire's doctor visit" was deleted from "Homecoming", not "Outlaws". Still can't find it online though.

I know a site that has that scene up if you're interested.

The Jack Show Rewind. Numbers: The One Where Jack And Sayid Are The Hot, Pissy Older Brothers To Hurley And Charlie During THE Best Trek. Ever. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/numbersbigbrothers.jpg)

*We start off with Jack checking in on the rescue effort again (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/nose.jpg)and telling Michael he'll get his consigliere, Sayid, to build some doohikey for the raft. Now that's symmetry. :lol2:

And here ladies and gentlemen, we have the recurring theme of my Jack Daniels OTP. If you want energy, whether to propel things or blow :censored: up, you go to the crazy French chick for help. Sayid is not easily convinced though (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/want2dowhat2mywhat.jpg), not even when confronted with all the pretty (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/notintoyouthatway.jpg). Poo (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/poo.jpg).

*Hugo won't take no for an answer though, which sets in motion my favorite Lost trek ever.

*Sayid stomps off to Jack and accuses him of getting Hurley do his dirty work (of using a map to help with the launching of the raft to get rescue), but they can just kiss and make up later. REAL MEN don't hold grudges. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/backshotnose.jpg)

*From here on all you need is to look at the pictures to see what I mean about big brothers and exasperating little brothers (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/wtfareyoudoing.jpg). Jack can see something wrong with Hurley and he's concerned about him when he narrowly avoids the Spiky Trap Of Doom (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/armprn.jpg).

*It only gets better when they get to the bridge (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/bigguyonabridge.jpg). Hurley and Charlie's hot older brothers (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/hurleyshotbigrbothers.jpg)are agonizing as they watch them cross the bridge and it's one of the funniest moments on the show as far as I'm concerend. Sayid still manages to experience a lil' hussy rapture though. Look at that face as he accidentally touches Jack. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/sayidrapture.jpg) :lol2:

STAY THERE (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/staythere.jpg)! We are SO kicking your a**es (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/tellonhim.jpg)when we get to the other side.

*Jack trips Danielle's wire in what is a precursor of the explosive Jack Daniels team.

*Oh, Hurley... I want a bear hug too. :hug:

*Hurley (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/hurleyrocks.jpg) is Jack's hero (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/dudeyourock.jpg)again. I love Sayid being so confused (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Numbers/hurleyrocks.jpg)in the background.

I need to rewatch this episode more often.

Clauds, I love your reviews. They are so funny and just so full of charm. Great job! :thumbsup:

'Numbers' is just a great episode, and all the Jack is great ("Stay there!...." the annoyance and emergence in his voice just makes that line the BEST!). We see what a great big brother Claire is about to encounter. I love the Jack/Sayid interactions. They have this bonded respect for one another that helps them to make tough decisions together. It's not the Jack/Locke dynamic at all. Jack and Locke have resentment and animosity mixed in with their respect for one another and it complicates things greatly.

I know a site that has that scene up if you're interested.

Ooooohhh, really? I'm interested. Thanks. ;)

Erica

Ooooohhh, really? I'm interested. Thanks. ;)

Erica

Well not sure about links here to other lost sites so pm me and I'll be happy to give it to you.

Ahem.. if you can't post something openly, that also means you can't use other site resources such as PM or email for it!

Welcome back, iorwen! :hug: If it's on Lost Media I think we're OK. I can upload it from my one surviving DVD (the one with the extras) if I figure out how to do it. :D

I do love Hurley and like you said Clauds, best trek ever.

They're only missing Jin, otherwise they'd have all my favorite guys together.

The stance says it all. (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x18_Numbers_041.jpg)

Ooooh... that's an untuckage gem. Thank you, Helly!

Must go and watch Dr. Jack again - need my Shephard fix.

I'd say we're doing remarkably well... almost halfway through the hiatus and you lucky Brits get the DVDs next month, don't you?

Jack: (whispers) it's one of the show's big twists that we end up being siblings, but they don't want it to be revealed until s3, to give you some story that could last that long, otherwise they'll be bored of you by the time you get your memory back somewhere in the middle of season 2 and kill you off....shhhhhh.... so act like you never saw that picture, and like you have no clue about this ok? But one thing you need make sure of is that, unlike everyone else who will become a hussy, you must never become one, they are doing the whole incest thing with Boone and Shannon. Alright?

:24: Oh, if only we could unlock our creative energies at work like this...


The primary reason why I chose this picture specifically is obvious, but if anyone has any doubt, here's a little hint, ZOMG!FTW!BASKETBALL!DIEZ! (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Dr%20Jack/GQout006.jpg)
Clear enough? So here we go:


3. A little shirt misbehavin'


That's A LOT of misbehavin... mmmmmm... :whip:

Wonderfully done, dear! You are our resident class splayage expert after all.

I love the Jack/Sayid interactions. They have this bonded respect for one another that helps them to make tough decisions together. It's not the Jack/Locke dynamic at all. Jack and Locke have resentment and animosity mixed in with their respect for one another and it complicates things greatly.

It's what I missed so much this season, Jack interacting with Sayid and co. And even Locke (although they did need a break for a while, like any dysfunctional marriage). Sure, the Jack/Ben/Juliet dynamic was the best thing of the first part of season three by far so we're lucky either way.

But it's obviously they set up Jack and Sayid to have this kind of respect for each other, the way manly men who have natural "symmetry" work together. It was beautifully rounded in the finale and I hope we get to see them reunited early in season four. I've never loved Sayid more than when he was encouraging Jack not to back down via the walkie talkie, even if as far as he knew, that would have led to his death. I think that was Sayid at his most heroic and even more bad*** than when he pulled a Jack Bauer, killing an Other with his legs.

I wanted them to manhug when they said goodbye in the finale. Maybe they'll do it when they're reunited. :biggrin: Hurley, Sawyer and Sun got their chance to grope that fine, fine ... during the last reunion. It's Sayid and Jin's turn.

thanks Claudia, its been a while I know its just the colours on this board hurt my eyes LOL
Alas its not from Lost Media:frown: so I guess a PM is out of the question then, I can never keep rules straight around here. What if I were to email you could you upload it then?

ahh I should read more carefully, no email either.

You know what, PM me the link and I'll see what I can do. ;) Oh, and you can post it directly if it's a link to YouTube or similar. :)

Awesome. I'll check my S1 DVD's for that deleted scene again just in case I missed it. ;)


Ah, but you have to be careful in trying to find it. It's one of those tricky easter eggs. You have to wait .264 milliseconds into the deleted scenes menu, then click up, down, left, left, right, up, up, diagonal, pause, play, exit, all in under 14 milliseconds then do 3 somersaults and one reverse flip in order to see that scene. I told you it's tricky :biggrin:

Yes, I am at work and I am very bored.

Ah, but you have to be careful in trying to find it. It's one of those tricky easter eggs. You have to wait .264 milliseconds into the deleted scenes menu, then click up, down, left, left, right, up, up, diagonal, pause, play, exit, all in under 14 milliseconds then do 3 somersaults and one reverse flip in order to see that scene. I told you it's tricky :biggrin:

Yes, I am at work and I am very bored.
Should be no problem, since that's basically what I have to do with my new remote just to change the channel. :eek2:

thanks Claudia, its been a while I know its just the colours on this board hurt my eyes LOL
Alas its not from Lost Media:frown: so I guess a PM is out of the question then, I can never keep rules straight around here. What if I were to email you could you upload it then?

ahh I should read more carefully, no email either.

Thank you for trying iorwen. You are very kind! :biggrin: But as Starrox suggests, there are ways around it (via. YouTube, DailyMotion, etc.)

Ah, but you have to be careful in trying to find it. It's one of those tricky easter eggs. You have to wait .264 milliseconds into the deleted scenes menu, then click up, down, left, left, right, up, up, diagonal, pause, play, exit, all in under 14 milliseconds then do 3 somersaults and one reverse flip in order to see that scene. I told you it's tricky :biggrin:

Yes, I am at work and I am very bored.

Yas, ANYTHING for a rare Jack scene...ANYTHING. :naughty:

Erica

okay well as Claudia said it should be okay since its dailymotion here is the deleted Claire/Jack scene link
http://www.execute.tv/LOST/Weekly-Deleted-Scene--Claires-Doctor-Visit/

SCREAM 2007 Awards (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NYW14905092007-1.htm)

Just realized no one brought this over. Some great news, Foxy, Evi and Lost got nominated for some real awards. Fantasy Hero? Oh yea ;)

okay well as Claudia said it should be okay since its dailymotion here is the deleted Claire/Jack scene link
http://www.execute.tv/LOST/Weekly-Deleted-Scene--Claires-Doctor-Visit/

SWEET! Thanks for posting!

TSTID

OMG, Jack's asking a pregnant woman questions! Must be cause he's trying to steal her bayhbee!!! :getlost:

They really are sweet. I love the way Claire says "Is that so?" Hehehe...

Thanks, iorwen! :kisss:

Should be no problem, since that's basically what I have to do with my new remote just to change the channel. :eek2:

My remote has a mini tv screen of its own. Freaked me out when I picked it up for the first time. Next thing you know, it'll talk to me: "Select Jack Show. Episode 1. Pilot. The one where Jack takes his shirt off for the first time and keeps it off for about ten minutes. Good times."

SCREAM 2007 Awards (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NYW14905092007-1.htm)

Just realized no one brought this over. Some great news, Foxy, Evi and Lost got nominated for some real awards. Fantasy Hero? Oh yea ;)

Ah, yes. I expect at least Megan Fox to win the title of Fantasy Fox, but next year... Well, we all know how popular Speed Racer and Racer X in particular is with the geek boys. :geek:

Thanks for sharing! I keep my fingers crossed!

On the Rewind, Deus Ex Machina is mostly The Locke & Boone Show save for the B-plot of Sawyer’s Eye Exam. It's a draw as to whose B.S. is the thickest throughout these scenes. Jack can tell straight off by the way Kate swishes her (pony)tail (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-60.html)as she walks up, asking him about an anonymous patient with headaches, that it wasn’t an anonymous patient.

Jack makes a house call to the beach and Jack & Sawyer play hard to get, verbally and physically circling around each other for several minutes while sussing out the worst thing (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-215.html)his headaches could mean.

"I'll take that as another yes" (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-317.html) Jack had caught a little flak for toying with Sawyer in this scene. Was it worse than Sawyer pulling a loaded gun in jest on Jack three episodes prior? At least in S2 and S3 they move on to organized games to score points on one another--but the verbal one-upsmanship will always be there. "He needs glasses." (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-331.html)

I gotta say, maybe Jack felt just a little bad for embarrassing Sawyer because he went to a lot of trouble to help him try out each pair, (http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/wkgm/icons/th_avatar32668_148.jpg) and got Sayid to fuse the two pairs – which Sayid attacked with the same concentration (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-467.html)with which he tried to repair the radio. It takes a village, I guess, to stop Sawyer’s headaches. And how much do I like that Sawyer was reading A Wrinkle in Time? He ended up looking like Charles Wallace. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-487.html) (Or yes, Harry Potter run over by a steamroller).

"I didn't do it for him." (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x19-deus/deux565.jpg)But for Kate. This sentiment came back in a big way at the end of I Do, didn't it?

SCREAM 2007 Awards (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NYW14905092007-1.htm)

Just realized no one brought this over. Some great news, Foxy, Evi and Lost got nominated for some real awards. Fantasy Hero? Oh yea ;)


A real, fair awards poll?? I think voting starts tomorrow. Who should we vote for......hmmmmmm????;)

Go Foxy (& Evi).

Thanks Yas.

Doc

I realize it has taken me a bit to get to this but in keeping with the request that was made: you must pose your question in the form of a 500-word essay, and namedrop at least 1 major artistic style, how your subject fits into that topic, and engage in at least three instances of trite symbology. Footnotes are not necessary, but would not go unappreciated. I have reformulated my question in the proper Foxhussy fashion.

"The Presence or Absence of Androgenic Hair on the Male Anterior Torso as an Indicator of Sexual Prowess as Expressed in Classical Representations of the Human Masculine Form with Implications for Modern Day Presentations of the Hero Persona as Exemplified by Jack Shephard."

Greek ideals tend to demonstrate a lack of androgenic hair although stylized representations of hair covering the primary sexual characteristics is common. The smooth appearance is exemplified by the statue of Hermes with the infant Dionysos in the sanctuary of Olympia which is undoubtedly the work of Praxiteles.(1) However, since the aesthetic impact of the work was enhanced by color, traces of which still remain, it is possible that the presence of hair was indicated and has been destroyed with time. This is in keeping with the tradition that Praxiteles was known to have collaborated with his contemporary painter Nicias.

The Greeks were known to have derived their ideal vision of the masculine form from both their own and Egyptian tradition which preferred the clean shaven look for both its aesthetic impact and sanitary purposes. Nevertheless, one must not assume that the absence of androgenic hair is necessarily indicative of virility. On the contrary, a smooth torso may be more indicative of youth than virility, especially in representations such as those of Hermes and indeed of Apollo which are idealizations of youthful masculinity. In contrast, statues of Zeus, especially those created under the first Antonine emperors show the potential of androgenic hair although wear on the marble makes such a declaration problematic. Thus the presence of torso hair would be indicative of virility in Zeus as the king of the gods. The absence of androgenic hair may be a cultural convention and not indicative of any degree of sexual prowess.

In classical European art, androgenic hair is seldom shown, although following Greek and Roman classical tradition, stylized representations in certain areas are common. As in the Greco-Roman era, the absence of chest hair is not necessarily to be taken as an indication of virility, but more as a societal preference and convention.

Michelangelo’s David is a prime example of this. Again, the argument that David is a representation of youth and not adult masculine virility must be taken into account.
In the modern era, an interesting development in artistic representations of androgenic hair has occurred in comic books. One of the first superheroes to be drawn with a hairy chest was a Neal Adams Batman.(2) By the 1990s, other superheroes such as Hawkman and Aquaman were beginning to be shown with chest hair. This corresponds to a trend in cinema as well when the artificially clean-chested heroes of the early 20th century such as Johnny Weismuller’s Tarzan gave way to more genuine realistic heroes such as Bruce Willis’ John McClane in the Die Hard movies.

This all leads us to the fundamental question regarding androgenic hair on the male anterior torso as an indicator of sexual prowess. I postulate that there is no direct correlation between the absence or presence of androgenic hair and masculine virility in artistic representations, but rather societal and individual preferences dominate. Therefore, I pose the question, in the case of Matthew Fox, does his chest hair as shown when he plays Jack Shephard, undisputed primary hero of Lost, make him more or less attractive than the absence of chest hair which was demonstrated when he appeared as the masculine ideal in L’Oreal commercials?

(1)Paladia, Olga. “Praxiteles.” The Dictionary of Art. London: MacMillan Publishers Limited, 1996.
(2)Underground Online, "World of Batman," http://batman.ugo.com/gothamsgreats/oneiladams/

okay well as Claudia said it should be okay since its dailymotion here is the deleted Claire/Jack scene link
http://www.execute.tv/LOST/Weekly-Deleted-Scene--Claires-Doctor-Visit/

Thank you iorwen. :hug:

I adore that scene. Doctor Jack is just so yummy when he's all soothing and comforting. Claire seems very comfortable around Jack in this scene, when compared to the beginning scenes of 'Homecoming' when she doesn't even know who he is or how she came to know him. I love the comfort level in this scene as well. It's a very awkward situation, amnesic pregnant girl has no idea how she got where she is or why she was taken in the first place and she confides in the heroic doctor (whose bedside manner isn't the best, but he's working on that, on the other hand, it's very good in this scene IMHO ;)), but there's nothing awkward about this scene and the genuine nature of these two. They make jokes and bring smiles to the other's face. It's so cute and endearing.

Erica

Thank you, Perdue, for your essay. It was indeed worth waiting for. However, I believe your research, well-documented as it was, to be fatally flawed, therefore undermining the fundamental assumptions of your question by rendering any discussion flowing from them in pursuit of a meaningful answer, moot. But the obvious labor that went into your work, discredited though its foundations may be, demands no less than a full explanation from me by way of refutation.

By grounding your premise in the Hellenistic aesthetic traditions only, you limit yourself to a rhetorical position that lacks the scope to fully appreciate the nature of your own question. For the Greek historical ideal of masculine beauty generally took the form of a prepubescent boy, a demographic that lacks the hormonal output to produce the manner of body hair that serves as the topic of this discussion, and the subject of your question.1 If these nubile young forms could, for a moment, spring to life, their voices would bear not the gruff, dark tones of men, but the fluty tones of the Vienna Choir Boys, or perhaps Michael Jackson.2

Further, their greatest sculptor, Praxitales, who you astutely cite as the standard bearer and trend-setter for Hellenstic fashion, was, in point of fact, far more interested in the feminine physical ideal, not the male. He was so obsessed that he reduced its principles into a mathematical formula, thus beginning the sad centuries-long practice of formalizing the objectification of the female form, a dark tradition that achieved perhaps its finest flowering with the J. Hughes 1985 cinematic opus, “Weird Science.” 3

So, if the gleaming white marble titans of Athens were ever going to sprout chest hair and treasure trails, Praxitales was going to be the one that made it happen, but, as you noted, he did not. One can go into the many theories about why this is, but I am fond of one of ones currently making the rounds in the better think tanks and intellectual salons: that, like all artists, Praxitales was a lazy git, and thought his time was better spent getting blitzed off his posterior on ouzo with his other lazy artist buddies. This appalling lack of work ethic, as seemingly trivial quirks and twists of fate often do, has cast a long shadow through the ages – it deprived of art lovers everywhere in the realistic depiction of the adult male form, it greatly bolstered the profits of the shadowy depilatory cartel, and it resulted in the terrorizing of John Ruskin on his wedding night. 4 So, you see, Praxitales and his bogus aesthetic did a lot more harm than good in the world, although he was the first to get a chick to strip in the name of “art,” so let’s give the dude some credit where it’s due.5

No, if we are to examine the implications of the chest hair of Lost’s great hero, Dr. Jack Shephard, it is to red-blooded Rome that we must turn. For the vigorous Romans, unlike their effete Greek neighbors, knew what the hell manliness was all about. And while it has long been taught that they mimicked the artistic pretensions of the Greeks, their standards of beauty, particulary male beauty, actually differed radically from Hellenstic norms. As the great early Roman general Mummias Achias, famously quipped to his lieutenant Misellus Anser during the fateful sack of Corinth, “Ut cupiditas vir vultus amo a pullus volo” (loosely, “Greek dudes look like chicks”). For even this early in their history, the cajones-busting Romans idolized a different kind of man: one that was over six feet tall (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/drjack.jpg), well-muscled (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/ripplyshoulderaction.jpg), a man with a clean featured face --a high forehead (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/cool.jpg), a strong brow (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/shutup.jpg), a large and strong (or “Roman”) nose (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/con2.jpg), a proportionally smaller mouth (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/downthenose.jpg), and a strong jaw (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/lookingheroic.jpg). Even a scar (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/scar.jpg)or two, anathema to the tremulous, Greek ideal could be incorporated into the picture, for this archetype was not a child but a man, a man who had done battle with the world, and returned wearing this noble honor badge.6 In short, this was not an ideal to cuddle with over a gyro plate, this was an ideal that could conquer a the known world by noon, then go home and render a woman with child with a mere glance (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/numberfortyfour.jpg). Which segues directly into your question, re: the presence or lack thereof, of chest hair on our subject, one Matthew Fox, a man who does not merely typify this ideal, but rather embodies it in its entirety, in an exhibit for a body care product.

I will attempt to answer your question, even though you have couched it in a fundamentally flawed context. In doing so, I have attempted to re-direct your contextual assumptions, in order to provide a cogent answer. First, let us look at the context of the advertisement, which is really more of a public service announcement, specifically the target audience, a demographic group that, research shows, generally limits its body care regimen to scratching and adjusting themselves.7 To get the urgent message across to a seemingly intractable audience, Mr. Fox, a figure so epically masculine (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/candid.jpg)that the audience's expected reluctance to accept the message being disseminated would evaporate in a cloud of testosterone (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/explode.jpg), was chosen.

It is not widely known that this plan ran into a hitch that nearly untracked it before it had a chance to experience its glorious fruition, when it was discovered that exposure to Mr. Fox, even for the presentation’s brief running time, unleashed severe feelings of unworthiness and inadequacy in the test audience. These feelings progressed immediately to symptoms of depression, specifically suicidal tendencies combined with severe body dysmorphia, a response summed up by one audience member: “I feel like a hideous effeminate slob in comparison to him. I need to kill myself, do you happen to know where there’s an oven I can stick my head into?” (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/cycle.jpg) 8

Presented with the real risk that every man who saw the ad would kill himself out of fully justified feelings of inadequacy, researchers isolated exactly how far Mr. Fox needed to "tone down his mojo" in order to allow the lifesaving message of the advertisement to be delivered without annihilating the target audience. In the end, the study showed that, “…reducing the hirsuteness of the subject’s torso will allow the message to be delivered to its intended audience in a manner consistent with the continuance of life.” 9 Shown this data, Mr. Fox, showing a fortitude and selflessness worthy of Jack Shephard himself, made the historic sacrifice, millions were saved, and everyone’s skin now glows with good health and well being.

So you see, your question is ultimately beside the point. It does not matter whether we, or anyone else, prefer Mr. Fox with or without chest hair. In light of his humane sacrifice for the greater good, the question itself trembles in shame under the burden of its own meaninglessness.

TSTID

Notes:
1. “The Greeks Had a Word For It” Sheffield Graduate Journal of Archaeology, 2002
2. “Men With High Pitched Voices Finish Last” Sassy Science, 2006
3. Internet Movie Database
4. "The Unfulfilled John Ruskin" by Wallenchinsky and Wallace
5. I got this off Wikipedia so you totally know it's true.
6. The evolutionary psychology of facial beauty. Annual Review of Psychology
7. “This Just In: Men are Pigs,” a Longitudinal Study 1990-2007, page 2
8, “How Matthew Fox’s Good Looks Nearly Destroyed Mankind,” internal L'Oreal confidential report, executive summary, page 3.
9. Ibid.

Priceless TSTID, Priceless.

:ntworthy:


So, I was wondering, do any of you denizens think we will see Christian in a Jack flashback again?


I Choose Dr. Delicious,

shoe

Priceless TSTID, Priceless.

:ntworthy:


So, I was wondering, do any of you denizens think we will see Christian in a Jack flashback again?


I Choose Dr. Delicious,

shoe


They better show Christian again and with Jack. I don't care how they do it as long as they do it. The chemistry btw these two actors is amazing.

So, I was wondering, do any of you denizens think we will see Christian in a Jack flashback again?

I'm over flashbacks actually. I'd LOVE to learn more about him outisde of Jack's story, but with 48 episodes left, I don't really see what's left to say about most of the characters' pasts up to 2004. I don't really need to see Sarah again or Jack getting screwed over and getting angry about it, or Kate running around killing people, or Locke getting duped and pwned by his evil daddy, or Sawyer doing whatever it is he's doing in his flashbacks, or Sayid being mopey about torturing people, or Sun being a lying liar, etc. Unless they're Danielle's, or the Island's, or Libby's if they ever do it, or Dharma, or Christian's back when he worked with Dharma (just throwing an example out there... I really do hope to see more of him), I don't really see their benefits for advancing the story. Even Ben's done as far as I'm concerned: we know what motivates him and his genocidal ways.

They do however have a post-rescue two and a half years timespan (as well as whatever happens from there) and IF they don't erase it with timetravel or such nonsense, Jack's will be crucial to the plot once again. Christian's dead though, so I don't expect to see him with Jack. I don't believe for a second Par Avion was John Terry's last appearance. I don't know how they'll do it, but they'll get him back and obviously, they're not going to stop writing flashbacks for the main characters just because I don't see the point now. I'd just rather have a Christian flashback or have him be a key part of another flashback again.


8, “How Matthew Fox’s Good Looks Nearly Destroyed Mankind,” internal L'Oreal confidential report, executive summary, page 3.

Dammit, people! How many times do I have to tell you to stop playing with fire? Cosa nostra, remember? What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. :sly:

No, if we are to examine the implications of the chest hair of Lost’s great hero, Dr. Jack Shephard, it is to red-blooded Rome that we must turn. For the vigorous Romans, unlike their effete Greek neighbors, knew what the hell manliness was all about.

You are forgiven simply because this needs to be repeated over and over again so it may seep into the public's skulls, thick or otherwise. One needs only consult the annals of wikipedia if one wishes to learn which nation conquered the world, beginning right at its doorstep, and which became a spa colony for the conquering empire.

As the great early Roman general Mummias Achias, famously quipped to his lieutenant Misellus Anser during the fateful sack of Corinth, “Ut cupiditas vir vultus amo a pullus volo” (loosely, “Greek dudes look like chicks”).

True story.

You guys are killin' me...:rotflmao2:

TSTID, you are the king, I'm merely a peasant in your kingdom. :ntworthy: :clap: PRICELESS.

Erica

Well,from someone who's studied Romans since the first class......BRAVA! :clapping:
absolutely amazing post TSTID!


No, if we are to examine the implications of the chest hair of Lost’s great hero, Dr. Jack Shephard, it is to red-blooded Rome that we must turn. For the vigorous Romans, unlike their effete Greek neighbors, knew what the hell manliness was all about. And while it has long been taught that they mimicked the artistic pretensions of the Greeks, their standards of beauty, particulary male beauty, actually differed radically from Hellenstic norms. As the great early Roman general Mummias Achias, famously quipped to his lieutenant Misellus Anser during the fateful sack of Corinth, “Ut cupiditas vir vultus amo a pullus volo” (loosely, “Greek dudes look like chicks”). For even this early in their history, the cajones-busting Romans idolized a different kind of man: one that was over six feet tall (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/drjack.jpg), well-muscled (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/ripplyshoulderaction.jpg), a man with a clean featured face --a high forehead (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/cool.jpg), a strong brow (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/shutup.jpg), a large and strong (or “Roman”) nose (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/con2.jpg), a proportionally smaller mouth (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/downthenose.jpg), and a strong jaw (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/lookingheroic.jpg). Even a scar (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/scar.jpg)or two, anathema to the tremulous, Greek ideal could be incorporated into the picture, for this archetype was not a child but a man, a man who had done battle with the world, and returned wearing this noble honor badge.6 In short, this was not an ideal to cuddle with over a gyro plate, this was an ideal that could conquer a the known world by noon, then go home and render a woman with child with a mere glance (http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/Venckman/Hussydom/numberfortyfour.jpg).

Romans > All :flex:


They better show Christian again and with Jack. I don't care how they do it as long as they do it.


ITA.I wanna see Christian&Jack interacting again.no matter when/where/in what time-space or why.

By grounding your premise in the Hellenistic aesthetic traditions only, you limit yourself to a rhetorical position that lacks the scope to fully appreciate the nature of your own question.Ah, but, TSTID, in your rebuttal and refutation of my research which you characterize as flawed, you failed to take into account that the original requirement limited me to a 500 word essay. To have included the Roman norm as well as contemporary artistic renderings under that word limit would have truncated my response to the point that it would have nigh been impossible to postulate both a theory and pose a question.

ETA: I do agree that the Hellenistic ideal contributed to the terrorization of Ruskin on his wedding night, although there is some discussion that menarche could have contributed as well.

Ah, but, TSTID, in your rebuttal and refutation of my research which you characterize as flawed, you failed to take into account that the original requirement limited me to a 500 word essay. To have included the Roman norm as well as contemporary artistic renderings under that word limit would have truncated my response to the point that it would have nigh been impossible to postulate both a theory and pose a question.

You are correct in noting the 500 word limit imposed upon you for that particular assignment. And I commend you for doing such skillful work under such limitations. However, slack cannot be cut here because the Roman norm, and not its Hellenic predecessor should have been your jumping off point not merely something to be "included" in your treatise. If it had been, you would have known that the soft-bodied, follically-challenged prepubescent youths the Greeks idolized has no place in a discussion of one who embodies the adult male ideal that took root in mighty Rome and has come down to our own day, relatively unchanged, and you would not have wasted precious time explicating, however thoroughly, the development of an effeminate aesthetic irrelevant to the point at hand. I mean, have you ever seen an adult male in today's looking like the Greek statues you used to illustrate your argument? I think not, because we have hormone therapy to help them out with that problem now. By grounding your theory 180 degrees in the wrong aesthetic direction, you doomed the fruits of your hard work to rot on the tree, left to be pecked away at by the nibbling birds of intellectual confusion. Still, I commend you on your scholarship, and on the inclusion of Aquaman in your essay. Hefty grant money has been handed out for less.

TSTID

However, slack cannot be cut here because the Roman norm, and not its Hellenic predecessor should have been your jumping off point not merely something to be "included" in your treatise.
Alas, the stipulation that the Roman norm should have been the originating point of discussion was not originally stated; merely that a classical art form should be employed, hence the Hellenistic jumping off point. And it is widely accepted that Hellenistic artistic representations greatly influenced Roman stylizations even though, admittedly, the normative ideal of the masculine phenotype shifted from the prepubescent to the post-pubescent in Roman society.

P.S. I don't think that MF should have shaved his chest for the L'Oreal commercial. His chest hair is an important component of his overall physicality and to have succumbed to depilatory pressure is a sad commentary on the Hellenistic influence in comtemporary commercial representations of the anterior torso. I am, however, all for the judicious application of any depilatory product necessary on the posterior torso.

P.S. I don't think that MF should have shaved his chest for the L'Oreal commercial. His chest hair is an important component of his overall physicality and to have succumbed to depilatory pressure is a sad commentary on the Hellenistic influence in comtemporary commercial representations of the anterior torso. I am, however, all for the judicious application of any depilatory product necessary on the posterior torso.

As most men appear as prepubescent children in comparison to Mr. Fox, it was necessary, as stated earlier, to tame his gallant and manly shrubbery for the greater good. It understand it took him all of 17 minutes to grow it all back again, so the loss was, in the end, inconsequential.

TSTID

P. S. For the record, no shaving or dipilatory products were used on Mr. Fox -- he scorched the hair off with the powerful heat of his own gaze. That's the Roman way.

Angie sorry to hear about your horse






Amy! :hug: I see you've survived Amsterdam. Nothing wrong with it and don't let these shallow, shallow people tell you otherwise.



I love Amsterdam:biggrin: , its a great city have some great memories, sigh, why cant I teleport back:frown:

Hellooooo My Hussies... :biggrin:

Its my honor to drop off my very first Jack vid ever here in the Den. I had a ton of fun making it - Usually I make Jate vids but, Clauds helped me pick this song and I couldn't resist. I really hope you guys enjoy it - Jack just doesn't get enough thanks in this fandom for what he has done for all of the Losties - he is my favorite character BY FAR and this show should be proud to be able to call him their lead character.

Jack - Kryptonite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7tlSbh9Bxk)

Again, I REALLY hope you guys like it!

:kiss: Lovey

Thanks for the video:hug: love that scene



SCREAM 2007 Awards (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NYW14905092007-1.htm)

Just realized no one brought this over. Some great news, Foxy, Evi and Lost got nominated for some real awards. Fantasy Hero? Oh yea ;)

oh cool hope they win,

For the record, no shaving or dipilatory products were used on Mr. Fox -- he scorched the hair off with the powerful heat of his own gaze.

I was unaware of that fact. Now the real question is how he was able to avoid the concomitant epidural erythema that generally accompanies this alternative dipilatory technique.

I'm trying to post some Jack icons I made, but the [img] code doesn't seem to work. Does anybody know if you have to post a specific amount of times before it lets you post an imagine?

Thanks in advance in case somebody knows it :)

I'm trying to post some Jack icons I made, but the [img] code doesn't seem to work. Does anybody know if you have to post a specific amount of times before it lets you post an imagine?

Thanks in advance in case somebody knows it :)

You can't post images directly. You can link to them, or if you have them posted in your hournal or something, you can link to that.

I'm trying to post some Jack icons I made, but the [img] code doesn't seem to work. Does anybody know if you have to post a specific amount of times before it lets you post an imagine?

Thanks in advance in case somebody knows it :)

Do you see anyone posting pictures? ;)

*points at yas_m* :shesaid: :)

I was unaware of that fact. Now the real question is how he was able to avoid the concomitant epidural erythema that generally accompanies this alternative dipilatory technique.

I should have been more specific. The process is two-fold: Mr. Fox's eyes emit a force similar to a laser beam (seen here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-758.html)). The magnetism of the glare draws the hair upward, while the extremely focused heat burns of it burns the hair off like a laser beam. The effects have a similar duration as they might for regular laser hair removal, but again, in Mr. Fox's case, there is sufficient testosterone present to for complete regrowth in roughly 17-20 minutes.

The Greeks, of course, harnessed the power of light and heat in a somewhat similar, but larger scale fashion, when Archimedes defeated the Roman fleet by constructing a giant hexagonal mirror to focus the sunlight on the invading Roman fleet, and burning them before they reached the harbor, thus saving the city of Syracuse.

It all eventually comes back to the wisdom of the Ancients, doesn't it?

TSTID

Laura, you can simply link to your LJ. They're very pretty. :biggrin:


I love Amsterdam:biggrin: , its a great city have some great memories, sigh, why cant I teleport back:frown:

We have to ask Desmond to teach us how to do that.

Congratulations to Time Magazine for their excellent taste when it comes to choosing a defining moment for Lost and congratulations to Lost for being one of the Best Shows Of All Time (http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1651341_1659192_1652600,00.html). You don't need a magazine or a poll to validate that, all you need is the stuff between your ears, assuming that particular space is not completely deserted.

Thank you for the enlightening description of the quasi-laser-like abilities of Mr. Fox. I was completely unaware of that facet of his physiognomy which, in retrospect, does explain several previously unexplained phenomena.

As for the Greek mirror, heretofore referred to as the Archimedes Death Ray, you may be interested in the following recreation. (http://web.mit.edu/2.009/www//experiments/deathray/10_Mythbusters.html) Fortunately the biological model, as exhibited by Mr. Fox, does not seem to result in the same troublesome charring as in this experiment, although I daresay that many Foxhussies would consider smouldering as definite side benefit.

As we continue to discuss the wisdom of the ancients, I would find your thoughts on a comparison between Dr. Shephard and Asclepius would also be in order. Although given the mythological probability of the latter's origin, (despite his mortal status in the Iliad), a comparison with Hipprocates or even Galen, if you prefer Roman over Hellenistic physicians would be acceptable as well.

The reason I suggest Asclepius is because of his early concern for hygienic practices and the need for specialized locations for medical procedures i.e. the first "hospital" and how that might relate to Dr. Shephard's desire to set up an infirmary in the caves.

I look forward to your insights on this topic.

Laura, you can simply link to your LJ. They're very pretty. :biggrin:



We have to ask Desmond to teach us how to do that.

Congratulations to Time Magazine for their excellent taste when it comes to choosing a defining moment for Lost and congratulations to Lost for being one of the Best Shows Of All Time (http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1651341_1659192_1652600,00.html). You don't need a magazine or a poll to validate that, all you need is the stuff between your ears, assuming that particular space is not completely deserted.


Claud - thanks for that little clip. Makes me want to go watch the pilot again! "Hey, what's your name?" "JACK" - wow that really says it all! It's all about Jack isn't it? At least it all comes back around to him. :biggrin: What a cutie!

Thanks

Take care,

Doc

Evening Denizens.

Love Jack. Love Him. :4: So does TIME. And ESPN. And Spike TV, and PEOPLE this week :heart: And Damon!! ;) And J.J.

Ok, so I have a question for you guys. What do you think Jack would say is the most important thing that has happened on the island in the last 3 months?

Can't wait to hear what TSTID has to say... :cool:

I Choose Jack!!

shoe

We have to ask Desmond to teach us how to do that.


I was thinking more int he line of Hir from Heroes power;) but I guess Desmond would do:biggrin:


Congratulations to Time Magazine for their excellent taste when it comes to choosing a defining moment for Lost and congratulations to Lost for being one of the Best Shows Of All Time (http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1651341_1659192_1652600,00.html). You don't need a magazine or a poll to validate that, all you need is the stuff between your ears, assuming that particular space is not completely deserted.

I only watched about 9 or 10 of those shows. Glad Lost and Xfiles made it though.

Evening Denizens.

Love Jack. Love Him. :4: So does TIME. And ESPN. And Spike TV, and PEOPLE this week :heart: And Damon!! ;) And J.J.

Ok, so I have a question for you guys. What do you think Jack would say is the most important thing that has happened on the island in the last 3 months?

Can't wait to hear what TSTID has to say... :cool:

I Choose Jack!!

shoe

The 1 most important thing. :confused: wow that's hard to choose...
For Jack personally I'd say Jack realizing his father did love him and was proud of him, so dropping all that baggage must've felt good.

Evening Denizens.

Love Jack. Love Him. :4: So does TIME. And ESPN. And Spike TV, and PEOPLE this week :heart: And Damon!! ;) And J.J.

Ok, so I have a question for you guys. What do you think Jack would say is the most important thing that has happened on the island in the last 3 months?

Can't wait to hear what TSTID has to say... :cool:

I Choose Jack!!

shoe


I have to agree that Jack hearing that his father loved him and was proud of him was huge for Jack to find out. I'm torn between that and Kate. I think both of those things are equally important to Jack. His father, because that's been an issue with him his whole life. And then Kate because he found someone that he loves unconditionally. Someone he truly wants to see happy, whether that be with him or not. So he let go of the "Jack" he was when he was with Sarah. So that's got to be a big thing for Jack also.

Jack is amazing!:biggrin: Good question shoe!

Take Care,

Doc

Hey, Freckles and Doc, I think you both are right from what has been most important to Jack "emotionally" on the island. Learning his Dad was proud of him (Sawyer's best moment on the island for sure.) And, falling in Love with Kate.

Oh, but Jack wouldn't probably get all romantic or emotional on us if we asked him that question, LOL. I think if we asked Jack, and we ask him at the last place we saw him on the island, and we asked, "what's the most important thing that has happened in the last 3 months on the island?" I think he would say that an amazing number of people survived the plane crash, and most of them are still alive, and (in his eyes), about to be rescued. He's worked so hard this whole time at keeping these folks alive, and finding a way off the island. I think that is why the flash forward from TTLG worked so well. We see Jack in such a diametrically opposite place, so desperate to get back to the island.

What a great character Foxy is playing. I :heart: The Jack Show.

I Choose Dr. Sexy!

shoe

Hmm I'd say the time he broke down after asking Juliet if Sarah was happy and she said "very happy". It was key moment, where Jack let go of his past, the pent up emotion attatched to his ex wife came spilling out for good. Now I'm not a Jater by any means but that was the moment he could then truly give over to the love he felt for Kate. With Sarah out of his system once and for all. It's like Foxy said in an interview somewhere, Juliet was breaking him but in oh "such a beautiful way".

Hmm I'd say the time he broke down after asking Juliet if Sarah was happy and she said "very happy".

What she said.

When he is given that choice by Juliet, to find out anything he wants to know, and he actively chooses to accept the greatest failure in his life, and to let it go and wish Sarah well, it's the single most important character moment to date. The whole "if you fail, you don't have what it takes" mantra his father has drilled into him from childhood goes out the window, and he emerges from the experience a stronger person for having cracked a little. Further, his learning to bend without breaking plays a big part in his ability to survive the Others, and also down the road when we see him ceding the job of blowing the Others all to hell -- a bit of ultra-violence that he really wants to partake in -- to Sayid in favor of the more passive role of taking the Losties up to the radio tower. He also "allows" his friends to sacrifice themselves (he thinks), per directed -- absolutely the right thing to do, but something he was not capable of before. That "is she happy" moment was a genuine character sea change and a meaningful bit of evolution.

TSTID

Hey, Freckles and Doc, I think you both are right from what has been most important to Jack "emotionally" on the island. Learning his Dad was proud of him

Thanks for the question, hon! :kisss: I was going to say that this only applies if he has any time to reflect on his time spent there, which I seriously doubt, what with the Boat Of Doom approaching. Jack has no clue how to handle his emotions anyway, but if he were to look back on the island while on his way back home, thinking everyone's safe now and not having to worry about it (and assuming nobody got left behind), his father's death would all of the sudden become a reality again. I don't really know how much closure he got from Chirstian after what Sawyer told him; it should have eased his guilt, knowing that his father was grateful and finally able to take responsibility for what happened, but it doesn't change the fact that Christian never made that phone call and he could tell a stranger all those things, but not Jack (just like in the AA meeting).

And yes, the "rescue" is absolutely the most important event for all of them, but I think what he's most grateful for at that point is that Jin, Sayid and Bernard are still alive, thanks to Hurley.

The whole "if you fail, you don't have what it takes" mantra his father has drilled into him from childhood goes out the window, and he emerges from the experience a stronger person for having cracked a little.

His whole experience with the Others has made him a stronger leader and I couldn't really put my finger on it, but you've said it for me. Jack was faced with some impossible choices once more, but he DID have what it takes to make them, he had what it takes to (supposedly) let his friends die so he could keep his promise to Sayid and make sure Ben doesn't get the upper hand again.

He also "allows" his friends to sacrifice themselves (he thinks), per directed -- absolutely the right thing to do, but something he was not capable of before.

I know this is a consequence of him realizing that he's able to let go of his biggest failure, but this was the most important moment for me, it crystalized a sort of coming of age as a leader for Jack. The Others made him meaner and stronger and he stood his ground with both Ben and Locke and did exactly what his father warned him not to do: he made a choice. The emotional toll was huge (and so well acted, it hurt to watch), but he still made that choice.

You can't post images directly. You can link to them, or if you have them posted in your hournal or something, you can link to that.

Thanks for the info!!!

Here we go, then (linking to my journal):

24 Jack Flashback icons: http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/9880.html#cutid1
20 Jack icons (Season 2): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/12260.html#cutid1
16 Jack icons (Season 3): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/7052.html#cutid1

Thanks for the info!!!

Here we go, then (linking to my journal):

24 Jack Flashback icons: http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/9880.html#cutid1
20 Jack icons (Season 2): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/12260.html#cutid1
16 Jack icons (Season 3): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/7052.html#cutid1

You're welcome :) and I just have to say that your icons are purely amazing!! Thanks so much for posting them. oh, and friending you if that's ok ;)

You're welcome :) and I just have to say that your icons are purely amazing!! Thanks so much for posting them. oh, and friending you if that's ok ;)

It's not hard to make cool icons when the man in there is hot like HIM, anything would look hot and amazing with Jack in it :biggrin:

And of course I don't mind, I've friended you back :) I'm always glad to add new people in my flist!

Thanks for the info!!!

Here we go, then (linking to my journal):

24 Jack Flashback icons: http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/9880.html#cutid1
20 Jack icons (Season 2): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/12260.html#cutid1
16 Jack icons (Season 3): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/7052.html#cutid1

OMG all your Jack/Juliet ones are amazing but #12 in your Jack FB group is amazing, makes me want to cry along with him then take him in my arms and kiss it all better.

Thanks for the info!!!

Here we go, then (linking to my journal):

24 Jack Flashback icons: http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/9880.html#cutid1
20 Jack icons (Season 2): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/12260.html#cutid1
16 Jack icons (Season 3): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/7052.html#cutid1

ETA: I added you. I love all your icons, they are pretty!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Jate48! :party: :hb2: :party: Have a great day/night and celebrate your birthday across all timezones.

I don't know if the Australian hiatus is as long as ours (I know season three ended there a month ago), but we've made it through almost half of it. We should be proud of ourselves. :biggrin:

makes me want to cry along with him then take him in my arms and kiss it all better.

He does have that effect on us, doesn't he? I gave up on my uncooperating computer last night and watched something that really did make me want to kiss it all better (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TMFT/eyes.jpg). All the time (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TMFT/guhiwanthimsobadly.jpg). :thud:

ETA: mom, I haven't forgotten about your Deus Ex Machina rewind observation, I just haven't gotten around to rewinding that one. But it's slotted for this weekend so I'll get to it eventually. :D

Thanks for the info!!!

Here we go, then (linking to my journal):

24 Jack Flashback icons: http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/9880.html#cutid1
20 Jack icons (Season 2): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/12260.html#cutid1
16 Jack icons (Season 3): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/7052.html#cutid1



These are all beautiful - good job:)

And yes Clauds, he really does *sigh*

Thanks for the info!!!

Here we go, then (linking to my journal):

24 Jack Flashback icons: http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/9880.html#cutid1
20 Jack icons (Season 2): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/12260.html#cutid1
16 Jack icons (Season 3): http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/7052.html#cutid1

Thanks Laura! These are great. Thank you for all your kind words and hugs. You are great!

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:hb2: :hapybday: HAPPY BIRTHDAY JATE48!!! :birthday: :bdaygrin:

(I hope that you have a great day!)

Erica

What do you think Jack would say is the most important thing that has happened on the island in the last 3 months?It depends a bit if one speaks of the most important thing in general or the most important thing personally. Generally, I'm sure thinking that rescue is on the way would be the most important, but personally, I would go with learning that his dad was genuinely proud of him. That had to change the way he viewed himself, his childhood and his father.

What she said.

When he is given that choice by Juliet, to find out anything he wants to know, and he actively chooses to accept the greatest failure in his life, and to let it go and wish Sarah well, it's the single most important character moment to date. The whole "if you fail, you don't have what it takes" mantra his father has drilled into him from childhood goes out the window, and he emerges from the experience a stronger person for having cracked a little. Further, his learning to bend without breaking plays a big part in his ability to survive the Others, and also down the road when we see him ceding the job of blowing the Others all to hell -- a bit of ultra-violence that he really wants to partake in -- to Sayid in favor of the more passive role of taking the Losties up to the radio tower. He also "allows" his friends to sacrifice themselves (he thinks), per directed -- absolutely the right thing to do, but something he was not capable of before. That "is she happy" moment was a genuine character sea change and a meaningful bit of evolution.

TSTID

TSTID

You know I :heart: you right. Ok, that said. I don't agree here. LOL. I think it was important for us to see the change and growth in Jack. The island is changing him too. From dwelling so much on trying to fix things, including his broken relationships with Sarah and his Father, to where he was in the finale, with so deeply loving someone, and not trying so desperately to "fix" things, such as with Charlie or Sayid and the guys. But, I don't think Jack would say that was the most important thing. I think what we would see would be his determination to get these people to safety, and keeping them alive and safe from the Others, as the most important thing in his eyes. And yes, if we speak about what was most important to him personally, I think he wouldn't look on his past with Sarah as an important thing, he'd look at his present with Kate. jmo of course. :)


Have a great day!

I Choose Jack!

shoe

A special section to pay homage to Jack & Foxy's shirts which he wears oh so well. Here you can find pics of said worship worth garments as well as the list of "keepers". enjoy! :biggrin:

I'd like to add my name to this list, is this possible? If this is possible, then this is the shirt I'd like to add:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/foxy_black_tee.jpg
Black Tee with logo *dies*
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Thanks Laura! These are great. Thank you for all your kind words and hugs. You are great!


Glad you like them! Thanks to you and everybody who have commented! I'm about to post to my journal more icons, this time of Jack in Season 1. When I'm done with it (which will be really soon) I'm going to make sure that I post them in here, too.

I already love this forum, btw. I don't participate much because I'm still trying to catch up with everything, but I'm here, really! :smile:

Pssst! It's Monday. You know what Monday means, right? :smart:

I think it was important for us to see the change and growth in Jack.

Oh, I doubt anybody thinks Jack is self-aware enough to realize what that meant for him, but we were talking more about us, the viewers and like I said, for me, that moment contributed to his ultimate evolution as a leader in the finale. I think Jack is a lot more aware of the fact that when faced with his friends' deaths for the greater good, he did make a choice and had what it takes to make it. You can see how painful it was for him but he never backed down.

I need to rewatch the finale by the way. Oh, what a chore!

And yes, if we speak about what was most important to him personally, I think he wouldn't look on his past with Sarah as an important thing

I have to disagree here. Well, somewhat. We see as late as Orientation that Sarah (as his biggest failure... because of course she was nothing but a poor victim :rolleyes: ) is still very much a part of what's haunting Jack. Granted, he's not prone to introspection, nor does he have time for that kind of thing, but I'm sure he felt much like Boone did when Locke put the trippy glue on him: relieved. I don't think it was the most important thing for him personally because the only other time when we see his face flooded with immense relief (this time accompanied by joy) is when he learns from Hurley that his friends are alive. Every castaway on the island has become a very personal issue for him.

I can't wait to see when and how he learns that The Boat Of Doom is actually bad news. The guy on the other end of the sat phone seemed to pause when Jack told him who they were and we know they sent Naomi exploring so the survivors may be a surprise for him. I think the boat people might take a while to contact headquarters and devise a strategy, but for the sake of the story moving along, I hope it doesn't take more than a couple of episodes. That's enough time for Jack's group to be reunited with Hurley's group and learn about Charlie's death and Not Penny's Boat. If Desmond makes it with the news.

If Desmond makes it with the news.

I am filled with so little love, belief and trust in man kind at the moment -long day, don't ask- that I have a feeling Des will not make it with the news, I just have a feeling he might run, again, and only have the nerve to come back after Not Penny's Boat of Doom arrives. I dunno, I just think people in general are like that.

:smart:
Anyway, on a more :biggrin:-note, it's Monday!!!! I got tons of work to do, so I'll only have time to do the show part of my show and tell, maybe someone else has something to tell about this (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Dr%20Jack/foxy17.jpg).

ETA: LOL! how's that for timing, Professor Clauds? ;)

I'd like to add my name to this list, is this possible? If this is possible, then this is the shirt I'd like to add:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/foxy_black_tee.jpg
:smile:

How did I miss this? Yes, it's absolutely possible and congratulations for the excellent choice. Doesn't he look like a particularly stern teacher? :3:

I am filled with so little love, belief and trust in man kind at the moment -long day, don't ask- that I have a feeling Des will not make it with the news, I just have a feeling he might run, again, and only have the nerve to come back after Not Penny's Boat of Doom arrives.

I'm not a fan of people in general either, but I have to say I have more faith in Desmond this time. I don't think he'll abandon his friends after he's seen Charlie sacrifice himself and now that he knows Penny is actively looking for him. I do think he may run into some trouble on his way back though. Hurley and Sayid's group will reunite with Jack and the bulk of the losties pretty early on. I really hope they give Charlie the right type of sendoff once everyone finds out about his death.

Speaking of which, I don't think Jack will blame himself for it because I think that had he not been in charge of everyone, he would have done it himself. You can see when he asks Charlie if he's up for that swim that he understands what Charlie's doing and respects that. So I don't think that will change.

And nice choice for Art Appreciation. I might give it a try later after I find some of the companion pieces. :biggrin:

I'm not a fan of people in general either, but I have to say I have more faith in Desmond this time. I don't think he'll abandon his friends after he's seen Charlie sacrifice himself and now that he knows Penny is actively looking for him. I do think he may run into some trouble on his way back though. Hurley and Sayid's group will reunite with Jack and the bulk of the losties pretty early on. I really hope they give Charlie the right type of sendoff once everyone finds out about his death.


I do think that this time he won't run, that after being with the Losties for the time that he has, and seeing the sacrifice that Charlie did, that, y'know he will come back right away, but yeah, you never know what might happen, Patchy might be still alive (sometimes that guy seems more of a character from Alias than Lost). But it's just a.... feeling that I have and can't get rid of because of the "not being a fan of people" thing I've got going.
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I was just talking with Amy, and remembered an old theory we had discussed earlier this season, and I am just amazed at how spot on we were in our analysis and in the foreshadowing considering what we saw in the finale. I'd thought we would revisit it just for old time's sakes. Here (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1491672s#post1491672) is Hey_Freak's (where are you???) very well articulated post about it.



:biggrin:

How did I miss this? Yes, it's absolutely possible and congratulations for the excellent choice. Doesn't he look like a particularly stern teacher? :3:


Hehe, now that you mention this, yes, he does look like that!!! :eek2:

For those of you who don't know about the 'teacher' thing, I'm going to explain it. Not that it's interesting, but still I'm already feeling like home in here, so I feel like sharing anything that has to do with Foxy.

I posted this morning in my journal (http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com) about a dream I had last night about Jack being my Physical Education teacher in high school (I don't even remember high school, I'm too old for that I'm afraid). It could have turned into one of those hot dreams with multiple sessions of wild sex... but no. He was just a stern teacher that made us run for hours. And that was all!!

Next time I say that Jack worn me out I'd like it to have a completelly different meaning. Oh, well.

So yes, looking at the tee shirt in the pic, he does look a lot like that! Hot as Hell, too. I have to contact somebody in special to add that pic to the shirt pics list?

Oh, before I forget about it. I'm Spanish and English is not my first language (in fact, in Spain we've got the reputation to talk English really bad), so if you notice grammar mistakes, excuse me, I'm not doing them in purpose!

And when are they going to let me add a pic next to the username? *cries*

And when are they going to let me add a pic next to the username? *cries*

Your USER CP (right hand upper corner, under your name up there). You'll see a link where you can upload an avatar but I think you have to have more posts and/or be signed up for at least a number of days. I think Majandra can probably answer that better.

So just so you know... you're not the only one who procrastinates at work and thinks about Jack with a dreamy smile on your face. The experts at MSN career builder are doing the same, except they get to pretend they're actually working.

Jack is a good boss. Ben is bad, bad, bad. (http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom/msn/careeradvice/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=1113&SiteId=cbmsnhp41113&sc_extcmp=JS_1113_home1&GT1=10372&cbRecursionCnt=2&cbsid=a87fe57421044f69988795dc10c89c09-242782452-WG-2)

Of course this amuses me for many different reasons, but here's the moneyquote:

Those who compared their bosses to Sam Malone and Jack Shephard seemed to luck out in the boss department. Rosemary Haefner, Vice President of Human Resources at CareerBuilder.com, says that Sam Malone is often associated with being fun and amicable and Jack Shephard is associated with being smart and caring. Those with bosses like Simon Cowell or Michael Scott, however, aren't quite as fortunate, as these types are often judgmental and idiotic, respectively.

So there were a lucky few among those 5700 procrastinators (who probably took the survey at work :lol2:) And I still love Michael, even if he's dumb as a rock.

His whole experience with the Others has made him a stronger leader and I couldn't really put my finger on it, but you've said it for me. Jack was faced with some impossible choices once more, but he DID have what it takes to make them, he had what it takes to (supposedly) let his friends die so he could keep his promise to Sayid and make sure Ben doesn't get the upper hand again.

I have to agree with this Claudia. Jack's experiences with the Others hardened him in a sense, forced him to basically find the power to make those tough choices, choices that he wouldn't dream of making before-hand, all in the name of survival. I don't think that Jack would have wanted to leave his friends behind, but it was the only way to save them. Jack obviously didn't want Tom and his goons to pump Sayid, Jin and Bernard full of lead, but he had to let it happen, he had to make a choice in that 40-second timeframe that would have cost three lives or 40+ lives, so he made a choice, felt extreme regret and then he came to the conclusion that it HAD to be done.

Jack has come a very long way in my opinion. At first, in seasons one and two, he was like, "I don't want to make the decisions, but I guess I have to" and now he's more like, ":censored: this, I said we're going to do this, I made a decision, decisions I have been asked to make since day one, take it or leave it." In a sense, it's just like what Christian told him in White Rabbit. "Everybody's looking at your old man to make decisions. And I was able to make those decisions because at the end of the day, after the boy died, I was able to wash my hands and come home to dinner. You know, watch a little Carol Burnett, laugh till my sides hurt...." etc. Everyone is looking at Jack to make the hard choices. Sayid is looking at Jack to hold the group off and not come back if something goes wrong. Everyone is looking at Jack to pick up that phone and get them all rescued. It's all on Jack's shoulders and he's carrying that weigh extremely well these days. I love it.

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.....The experts at MSN career builder are doing the same, except they get to pretend they're actually working.

Jack is a good boss. Ben is bad, bad, bad. (http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom/msn/careeradvice/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=1113&SiteId=cbmsnhp41113&sc_extcmp=JS_1113_home1&GT1=10372&cbRecursionCnt=2&cbsid=a87fe57421044f69988795dc10c89c09-242782452-WG-2)

Of course this amuses me for many different reasons, but here's the moneyquote:

Those who compared their bosses to Sam Malone and Jack Shephard seemed to luck out in the boss department. Rosemary Haefner, Vice President of Human Resources at CareerBuilder.com, says that Sam Malone is often associated with being fun and amicable and Jack Shephard is associated with being smart and caring. Those with bosses like Simon Cowell or Michael Scott, however, aren't quite as fortunate, as these types are often judgmental and idiotic, respectively.

Claudia, thank you. You sure know how to make my day. :biggrin: Jack would be the best boss ever, I know that I would be able to walk all over him lol. After a week, he'd be offering me a raise and after five seconds, I would offer him a raise for just looking so edible in a suit (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/hunting-promo06.jpg). :naughty: (That's some incentive, walking into work and catering to THAT...oh happy day....;))

Erica

Your USER CP (right hand upper corner, under your name up there). You'll see a link where you can upload an avatar but I think you have to have more posts and/or be signed up for at least a number of days. I think Majandra can probably answer that better.

Nope. Can't. Hehe, you've already explained it perfectly. I think it's 10 days membership and a couple of posts. Which is a lot better than in other forums where you need 100 posts to have an avatar. :eek2:

lauradc1980: Don't worry about your English, it's fine. I've heard a lot worse from Spaniards, too. ;) And English native speakers... *hem* ;)

Oh, before I forget about it. I'm Spanish and English is not my first language (in fact, in Spain we've got the reputation to talk English really bad), so if you notice grammar mistakes, excuse me, I'm not doing them in purpose!


hehe, don't worry about it. Spell check never got anyone banned ;) and welcome to the sub-group of international hussies :biggrin:
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Your USER CP (right hand upper corner, under your name up there). You'll see a link where you can upload an avatar but I think you have to have more posts and/or be signed up for at least a number of days. I think Majandra can probably answer that better.

So just so you know... you're not the only one who procrastinates at work and thinks about Jack with a dreamy smile on your face. The experts at MSN career builder are doing the same, except they get to pretend they're actually working.

Jack is a good boss. Ben is bad, bad, bad. (http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom/msn/careeradvice/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=1113&SiteId=cbmsnhp41113&sc_extcmp=JS_1113_home1&GT1=10372&cbRecursionCnt=2&cbsid=a87fe57421044f69988795dc10c89c09-242782452-WG-2)

Of course this amuses me for many different reasons, but here's the moneyquote:

Those who compared their bosses to Sam Malone and Jack Shephard seemed to luck out in the boss department. Rosemary Haefner, Vice President of Human Resources at CareerBuilder.com, says that Sam Malone is often associated with being fun and amicable and Jack Shephard is associated with being smart and caring. Those with bosses like Simon Cowell or Michael Scott, however, aren't quite as fortunate, as these types are often judgmental and idiotic, respectively.

So there were a lucky few among those 5700 procrastinators (who probably took the survey at work :lol2:) And I still love Michael, even if he's dumb as a rock.

hmmmm..... I'm not so sure I'd like to have Jack as a boss. I seriously wouldn't like having "fired for sexual harassment" on my CV. :hypocrit:

Oh, before I forget about it. I'm Spanish and English is not my first language (in fact, in Spain we've got the reputation to talk English really bad), so if you notice grammar mistakes, excuse me, I'm not doing them in purpose!

Hey, Laura, you're completely fine. We Hussies have a sixth sense that enables us to understand our fellow hussies....your English is absolutely fine in my opinion. I'm just so glad that you joined the Den.

And when are they going to let me add a pic next to the username? *cries*

I think that you have to post a few times to get that going and you have been posting, so it should be working by now I think. No worries, it'll happen. ;)

Crap...now I have to leave my baby and go to class....poo (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/poo.jpg). :frown:

Erica

Thanks, Majandra. I wasn't sure about the exact number of posts and days and such.

Jack has come a very long way in my opinion. At first, in seasons one and two, he was like, "I don't want to make the decisions, but I guess I have to" and now he's more like, ":censored: this, I said we're going to do this, I made a decision, decisions I have been asked to make since day one, take it or leave it."

What do I always say? Like Saddam. Only much hotter. ;)

Jack would be the best boss ever, I know that I would be able to walk all over him lol. After a week, he'd be offering me a raise and after five seconds, I would offer him a raise for just looking so edible in a suit (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/hunting-promo06.jpg). :naughty: (That's some incentive, walking into work and catering to THAT...oh happy day....;))

I'm afraid productivity in that office/hospital would drastically decrease with the likes of us around there though. Not to mention the extra costs of us having to carry oxygen tanks with us at all times.

hmmmm..... I'm not so sure I'd like to have Jack as a boss. I seriously wouldn't like having "fired for sexual harassment" on my CV. :hypocrit:

Wait... does it work the other way around? Come on, I'm sure any judge in the world could see why we were powerless and simply unable to help ourselves. :angelnot:

....poo (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/poo.jpg). :frown:


:roflmao: I just can't get enough of that pouty face. :in_love:

I completely forgot about this when I rewatched ...In Translation. Tsk, tsk, tsk... poor Locke. If only he knew his mancrush suspected him of burning the raft.







Deleted from "...In Translation" (This scene is hard to hear due to the waterfall drowning out the dialogue)
[Kate washes at the waterfall. Jack walks up to her.]

JACK: The TV in the hospital’s coffee room runs soap operas all day.

KATE: Sorry?

JACK: I think we got ‘em beat. Sun, speaking English, her own husband not knowing? I mean, come on!

KATE: That’s ridiculous. It’s only a soap opera when the evil twin shows up.

JACK: Think they’ll be OK? [Kate gives a sort of frown.] Yeah. Guess your relationship has official gone sour when the secrets start.

KATE: We all got secrets, Jack. You, Sun, me.

JACK: Locke?

KATE: Locke?

JACK: We know it wasn’t Jin.

KATE: You think Locke burned the raft?

JACK: Man disappears for five hours every day. Suddenly, he steps up, makes some fancy speech about others on the island and it’s case closed? Just sayin’.

KATE: Maybe it was me.

JACK: It wasn’t you, Kate.

KATE: I’m the only one here with the mug shot. How’d you know it wasn’t me?

JACK: Because I know it wasn’t you.


So there he is treating Kate like crap again, that poor girl.

What really caught my attention the first time I tried to hear what they were saying was how Jack tries to imply that he really didn't watch soap operas in the coffee room, nuhuh... The only reason he even knew of their existence was because he wandered there sometimes to get coffee and overheard the nurses talking. It's really not driving him crazy to know about the latest hookups on All My Children he's missed in these three months and he has NO clue who all the doctors in General Hospital are. Really. Honestly.

At least Dr.House is honest about it. :biggrin:

lauradc1980: Don't worry about your English, it's fine. I've heard a lot worse from Spaniards, too. ;) And English native speakers... *hem* ;)

All the best forums online are in English, so I try to make sense when I write. It's either this, or stay away from all the good places like the ones you've got in here!


Hey, Laura, you're completely fine. We Hussies have a sixth sense that enables us to understand our fellow hussies....your English is absolutely fine in my opinion. I'm just so glad that you joined the Den.


And it's happening!!! I can finally use a userpic!!!!!!!! *does the happy dance*
Aawww, I'm so glad I joined, too!!!! I really love this forum and y'all!!! It's so cool to have a place where gushing about our favorite doctor!!

And OMG, that *poo* face it the pic... *sighs* I so wanna hug him! and rape him, and... OMG *dies*

And now that I'm here, I'm posting my last Jack icons. All of them are HERE (http://community.livejournal.com/today_icons/3650.html#cutid1), and all of them are from Season 1.

Editing:

It's happening!!!! I can finally use the userpic!!!! *does the happy dance*

Editing:

It's happening!!!! I can finally use the userpic!!!! *does the happy dance*

*joins in on happy dance* :14happy: and a fine userpic it is too ;)

:14happy: I wanna join the happy dance -- Everyone should do the happy dance for Jack:biggrin:

Doc

What was that research you did Erica? About hormones released when eating chocolate and... you know. :smart:

Speaking of which. I still owe it our esteemed colleague yas_m to methodically pore over an enchanting Jack On The Rocks she brought over yesterday. While the piece in itself is mesmerizing simply because it has not one, but two sources of light: the sun itself and the subject's irresistible smile... It is this companion piece (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/magazines/entertainmentweeklyBW.jpg)that has captivated my attention.

:thud: <~ my academic analysis. Sometimes less is more (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/magazines/eyef.jpg). ;)

What was that research you did Erica? About hormones released when eating chocolate and... you know. :smart:

Speaking of which. I still owe it our esteemed colleague yas_m to methodically pore over an enchanting Jack On The Rocks she brought over yesterday. While the piece in itself is mesmerizing simply because it has not one, but two sources of light: the sun itself and the subject's irresistible smile... It is this companion piece (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/magazines/entertainmentweeklyBW.jpg)that has captivated my attention.

:thud: <~ my academic analysis. Sometimes less is more (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/magazines/eyef.jpg). ;)

Under the sunglight, he looks even hotter, if this is possible. I think I've got a thing for his bare feet, too. Seriously.

looking for vidoe of jack as superman, had a cape in it too.. to song superman,
anyone remember where it was?

What was that research you did Erica? About hormones released when eating chocolate and... you know. :smart:

Here you go Clauds! I have been doing some extensive research about the effects of chocolate and Foxy and how intoxicating both are and I came across some VERY important facts....

"Chocolate causes certain endocrine glands to secrete hormones that affect your feelings and behavior by making you happy. Therefore, it counteracts depression, in turn reducing the stress of depression. Your stress-free life helps you maintain a youthful disposition, both physically and mentally. So, eat lots of chocolate!"

In connection to that.....

"Foxy causes certain endocrine glands to secrete hormones that affect your sexual drive and behavior by making you horny (did I say that? lol). Therefore, he neutralizes severe misery, in turn easing the strain of despair. Your anxiety-free existence helps you maintain a fresh and young nature, both physically and mentally. So, oogle lots of Foxy!"

In conclusion, FOXY + Chocolate = ONE HAPPY Erica! :naughty:

*mumbles the lyrics to 'Candyman'....He's a one stop shop, makes the panties drop...He's a sweet-talkin', sugar coated candy man...A sweet-talkin', sugar coated candyman...*

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looking for vidoe of jack as superman, had a cape in it too.. to song superman,
anyone remember where it was?

Sorry Zatherran, I've never seen it. That makes me sad...poo (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/poo.jpg) :frown: (that face is making me crazy! He is beggin' for it....)

Erica

What's this??? Foxy + Chocolate??? :thud:

Messy but oh so much fun.

Watched 'Homecoming' again which made me do some icons (damn it) and I just kept pausing it for some special (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x15_Homecoming_181.jpg) facial (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x15_Homecoming_387.jpg) expressions...lovely.

What was that research you did Erica? About hormones released when eating chocolate and... you know. :smart:

Speaking of which. I still owe it our esteemed colleague yas_m to methodically pore over an enchanting Jack On The Rocks she brought over yesterday. While the piece in itself is mesmerizing simply because it has not one, but two sources of light: the sun itself and the subject's irresistible smile... It is this companion piece (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/magazines/entertainmentweeklyBW.jpg)that has captivated my attention.

:thud: <~ my academic analysis. Sometimes less is more (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/magazines/eyef.jpg). ;)

hmm... my hard drive just melted, interesting, I thought it was supposed to be hard, not like that mother board, that one has been comatose since the first lecture in art appreciation. :hypocrit:

What's this??? Foxy + Chocolate??? :thud:

Messy but oh so much fun.

Watched 'Homecoming' again which made me do some icons (damn it) and I just kept pausing it for some special (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x15_Homecoming_181.jpg) facial (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x15_Homecoming_387.jpg) expressions...lovely.

I'm licking the rain of his chest hair...what's that you say? Thats just my computer screen? Sigh, you had to burst my bubble didn't you?

not a big chocolate fan myself but if it was a chocolate covered Foxy I say bring it on!

Foxy smothered in chocolate!:eek: OH MY GOD! Yep, that would be a nice little treat with a surprise in the middle!:grin: Okay, I must stop now - I acutally have to function at work today. But what nice thought to start with.;)

Take Care,

Doc

:) I'd be fine if it was just me, Jack, and a bottle of Hershey's chocolate syrup. :biggrin:


I choose Dr. Sexy!


shoe

Yep, that would be a nice little treat with a surprise in the middle!:grin:

Doc


cream filled are my faves!

Damn you, shameless hussies. Guess which song I'm listening to again? :hypocrit:

Hey, Zath! Welcome back. :hug: I'm afraid I'm not youtube savvy and I've never seen that video. Is it the Five For Fighting song or some other Superman?



Watched 'Homecoming' again which made me do some icons (damn it) and I just kept pausing it for some special (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/1x15_Homecoming_181.jpg) expressions...lovely.

:locke: That's only part of the whole arsenal of Locke Looks. I believe that one in particular is the "I'm amazed by just HOW creepy and crazy you are" Look.



"I'll take that as another yes" (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-317.html) Jack had caught a little flak for toying with Sawyer in this scene. Was it worse than Sawyer pulling a loaded gun in jest on Jack three episodes prior?


Or lying about a sick girl's inhalers, which is a slightly more serious omission of truth. Jack's downright mean here. I love it. I don't know anyone who didn't laugh at that scene.

I gotta say, maybe Jack felt just a little bad for embarrassing Sawyer because he went to a lot of trouble to help him try out each pair, (http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/wkgm/icons/th_avatar32668_148.jpg) and got Sayid to fuse the two pairs –

I doubt he felt anything but amused (watch how hard he's trying not to crack up) and maybe a bit vindicated. He leaves the scene patting Sawyer on the back after all.



"I didn't do it for him." (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x19-deus/deux565.jpg)But for Kate. This sentiment came back in a big way at the end of I Do, didn't it?

Of course, they had to actually ADD a piece of dialogue to clarify Jack's intentions of saving both of his friends (as he calls them). :rolleyes:

I need to find pictures for this rewind because there are some priceless shots, such as the one in my avi. :biggrin:

PS: Go us! 50 000 views? Ever noticed how popular we are even though the show's in hiatus?

Of course, they had to actually ADD a piece of dialogue to clarify Jack's intentions of saving both of his friends (as he calls them). :rolleyes:

Yeah, my sister and I kind of went, "Huh? This needs clarifying?" But whatever, it enhanced the awesomeness of an already awesome scene, so I'm not complaining.

TSTID

It never ceases to amaze me that Jack can make every scene awesome whether he's being mean or not (which I might add - some people got exactly what they deserved here).;) OH MY GOD - making Sawyer's glasses. Too funny! Good for Jack. I don't think he did it because he felt bad either - he did it because the man is a doctor, someone was having headaches and Jack knew how to help him. That's what Jack does - no matter who it is! Damn Jack, being a big meanie again!!;)

Take Care,

Doc

It never ceases to amaze me that Jack can make every scene awesome whether he's being mean or not (which I might add - some people got exactly what they deserved here).;) OH MY GOD - making Sawyer's glasses. Too funny! Good for Jack. I don't think he did it because he felt bad either - he did it because the man is a doctor, someone was having headaches and Jack knew how to help him. That's what Jack does - no matter who it is! Damn Jack, being a big meanie again!!;)

Take Care,

Doc

Yeah. Jack went to a lot of trouble with the house call (http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/wkgm/icons/th_avatar32668_148.jpg) and everything, especially since Sawyer's insurance had run out :rolleyes: . When I needed reading glasses, the optometrist said "Go to the drugstore and try on some pairs till you find some you can read comfortably with."

Yeah. Jack went to a lot of trouble with the house call (http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/wkgm/icons/th_avatar32668_148.jpg) and everything, especially since Sawyer's insurance had run out :rolleyes: . When I needed reading glasses, the optometrist said "Go to the drugstore and try on some pairs till you find some you can read comfortably with."


If my eye doctor looked like Jack, I would be poking myself in the eyes daily just for a reason to keep going back!;)

Doc

I don't think he did it because he felt bad either - he did it because the man is a doctor, someone was having headaches and Jack knew how to help him. That's what Jack does - no matter who it is!

I agree Doc. When Sawyer stomped off, embarassed that Jack asked such personal questions and the answers didn't shed the best light on him, Jack looked as though he could have cared less (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x19-deus/normal_deux330.jpg). He didn't want to go and help Sawyer in the first place because he knew that all he was going to get for his trouble was a new snappy nickname. But Jack being Jack, he helped him, because that's the type of person he is.

Okay, now basically this has got to be one of the funniest scenes ever (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x19-deus/normal_deux473.jpg). Jack says, "Sawyer, I want you to write, 'Jack pwns my :censored:...AGAIN....' and make sure that you sign it and date it. Thanks." LMAO.

Anyways, the pat on the back (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x19-deus/normal_deux482.jpg) that Jack extends to Sawyer just shows that Jack is the better person in every situation. I just LURF him.

Erica

If my eye doctor looked like Jack, I would be poking myself in the eyes daily just for a reason to keep going back!;)

Doc

hmmmm..... wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having a dr. that looks like Jack? You can't see much with your eyes being mercilessly poked out of their sockets. I'd say poke someone else, then offer to take them to the doctor who looks like Jack. That way you would be concerned and frightened relative who is worried and needs comfort. :hypocrit:

Alrighty... let's get back on track, okay?

Keep the negative comments about other characters to their respective threads in the "I'm not that into you" sections. I am sure you are capable of discussing, praising and worshipping Foxy/ Jack in this thread without CONSTANTLY comparing him to other characters on the show... especially if it seems to be the same one all the time.

This is friendly reminder no 1... be assured that if you decide to ignore it, there will be less friendly reminders to follow.

I'd say poke someone else, then offer to take them to the doctor who looks like Jack. That way you would be concerned and frightened relative who is worried and needs comfort. :hypocrit: Like the lovely Gabriella. She did an excellent job looking concerned and frightened and needing comfort at 4 am.

Like the lovely Gabriella. She did an excellent job looking concerned and frightened and needing comfort at 4 am.

A role model for us all.

without CONSTANTLY comparing him to other characters on the show...

I have an observation that's directly related to what we're talking about here so please don't take it as anything else but an explanation. The show does that. Not constantly, but it's a recurring theme. I was going to review this episode and make a note about their dual personalities and how surprisingly (or not), Sawyer is much more of a social creature than Jack and feels the need to be part of a group despite his Grinch-y demeanor sometimes and that Jack maybe understands that when he says "You're welcome", but it's interesting to see Jack is the one who's lonely by nature and is at the center of the group out of duty, but is not a people person, etc. The kind of faux intellectualism that we sometimes use when we're too embarrassed to be the gutterbrained fangirls we are.

But since I wouldn't want to upset the peephole and because I now have this damn song stuck in my head every time I watch the episode (AND I need to sleep), here it is:

The Jack Show Rewind: Deus Ex Machina--The One Where The Island Tells Locke To Hurry Because Kate Is Making Time With His Mancrush And He Shows Up Just In Time Marking The End Of F.U.N. As We Know It. So might as well enjoy it while it lasts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H26eRojA09Q).

The Jack Show Rewind: Deus Ex Machina--The One Where The Island Tells Locke To Hurry Because Kate Is Making Time With His Mancrush And He Shows Up Just In Time Marking The End Of F.U.N. As We Know It. So might as well enjoy it while it lasts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H26eRojA09Q).

That has to be the cutest thing I've seen today. Jack as spongebob. Oh my!

So, during this lame haitus, I got a breath of fresh LOST air in one of my university classes today. We're all falling asleep in lecture, but the girl next to me is sitting upright frantically reading something before we're dismissed. I lean over, and turns out, in her Marketing course, they were given a few excerpts from "Marketing the 'Lost' TV Drama Series: ABC's Integrated Marketing Strategy." and then followed by "Lost - the Cult Following". Makes me wish I took marketing!
Sigh...also makes me wish all this Foxy 'Art Appreciation' was a real course...I'd ace that course with flying colours!

Ok,

Question for the Den.....


In all that we've seen of Jack's life, his past, on-island, and future, what do you think was the moment Jack felt most alone, why? Cause I know all of us Foxhussy's would do anything we could to make dr. Jack feel less lonely. :biggrin:

now where's that Hershey's syrup....

I Choose Jack!

shoe

hmmmm..... wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having a dr. that looks like Jack? You can't see much with your eyes being mercilessly poked out of their sockets. I'd say poke someone else, then offer to take them to the doctor who looks like Jack. That way you would be concerned and frightened relative who is worried and needs comfort. :hypocrit:


Waaaaay better idea than mine. However, I could just poke one eye at a time so I could see Jack with the other one! :biggrin: Maybe self-mutilation is not the way to the man's heart!:rolleyes:


Take Care,

Doc

Ok,

Question for the Den.....


In all that we've seen of Jack's life, his past, on-island, and future, what do you think was the moment Jack felt most alone, why? Cause I know all of us Foxhussy's would do anything we could to make dr. Jack feel less lonely. :biggrin:


Sadly, there's a lot of moments where Jack transmited that feling of loneliness that made me want to hug him tightly (or more). For me, the one that broke my heart the most was when he met with Sarah for the divorce paperwork, and she left him alone in the office building. This is the moment I'm talking about (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_twocitiescap-0276.jpg). At the same time, I think the scene is also perfecty framed with the glass cold building, with cold colors, and the only point of color is Sarah's red shirt, as a way to tell us that to him she's the only person that minds at the moment. And, despite the fact that he loves her so much, he has to see how she choose to stay with another man, and he can't do anything to make her come back.

I also hesitated in chosing the scene where Jack goes to see the body of his dead father and cries alone in the room, but loneliness it's more a feeling you have when there's people around, and still you feel alone. When Sarah left him in that building, Jack was going though a harsh phase with his father, too. It's two important persons in his life that suddenly turned his back on him.

That is a difficult question because Jack seems to be lonely nearly all the time. Maybe the most lonely moment was when Kate ran away after the kiss.

I'd say the lonliest he felt was in White Rabbit when he's just found the waterfall and he's sitting by the fire and thinking about his father and his past and knowing his Dad is dead with all the unresolved issues between them. It's early on into the crash and he's overwhelmed with responsibilites and no one to help him. He needs guidance yet everyone turns to him for it. He doesn't no the other survivors yet so there's really no bonds between them. I'd say he's pretty lonely and I just ache to give him a hug everytime I see that scene.

Sigh...also makes me wish all this Foxy 'Art Appreciation' was a real course...I'd ace that course with flying colours!

Well, it's very real around here so enjoy! This is the best place to nourish your young... mind. :smart: And no reason to envy your friend. She studies Lost's cult following from afar, while you're actually part of it.

Erica, you asked about Charlie's death and I remembered having babbled about it before. I don't think he'll have much time to react because something much bigger is about to hit the fan. Outwardly, I don't think he'll show that much emotion, though that might change if Claire's around and he's trying to comfort her. It depends on how the writers pace the first couple of episodes and if they will give Charlie the right type of sendoff where everyone's in awe of his sacrifice and the piano plays the Jack theme in the background and the chubby adorable baby finds the Driveshaft ring in his crib and hopefully doesn't choke on it.

For me, the one that broke my heart the most was when he met with Sarah for the divorce paperwork, and she left him alone in the office building. This is the moment I'm talking about (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_twocitiescap-0276.jpg). At the same time, I think the scene is also perfecty framed with the glass cold building, with cold colors, and the only point of color is Sarah's red shirt, as a way to tell us that to him she's the only person that minds at the moment. And, despite the fact that he loves her so much, he has to see how she choose to stay with another man, and he can't do anything to make her come back.

You picked a good one. I haven't rewatched that part of that flashback in a while and you really have a good eye for details. My brain was kinda stuck on Sarah's shoes (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/ATOTC/ATaleOfTwoCities_003.jpg)and admitting that the wench has excellent taste in something.

Hm. I don't really know how to get inside a guy's headspace like that and I might start off on a false premise, but Jack has always struck me as a bit shizoid. People are fine in small doses. On the island, I wouldn't say he feels lonely most of the time or that he minds being alone. When he's dealing with something he usually goes away and needs some me time to suffer by himself, unless it's a more urgent need, such as strangling Locke. We've seen him retreat like that a few times: trying to stitch his wound in the Pilot, following his Dad's ghost into the jungle, watching the Fuselage burn from a distance, kneeling down on the beach after Boone's death, taking a moment to unwind after he used Ben as a punching bag. And recently, the Tabula Rasa script confirms that he spent the whole night sitting by himself on the beach after he had to kill the Marshall and that's where Kate finds him when he tells her it doesn't matter who they were before. I wouldn't really count those moments he's actively looking for solitude.

I thought of the flashforward for off island examples, especially when Sarah asks him what the hell he was doing driving around drunk at two am and it struck me that there's no answer he can give, he can't share this with anyone and the one person who does know what he's been through leaves him behind at the airport and tells him whatever it is that's driving him crazy "cannot be changed".

On island? When he's sitting in that corner in his glass cage after Ben's surgery, thinking he's going to die.

oh does FF count? then I would say it's the moment he's up on the bridge, his eyes to the sky begging forgiveness before he's about to jump. Has to be the lonilest moment of his life or he wouldn't be there.

Hm. I don't really know how to get inside a guy's headspace like that and I might start off on a false premise, but Jack has always struck me as a bit shizoid. People are fine in small doses. On the island, I wouldn't say he feels lonely most of the time or that he minds being alone. When he's dealing with something he usually goes away and needs some me time to suffer by himself, unless it's a more urgent need, such as strangling Locke. We've seen him retreat like that a few times: trying to stitch his wound in the Pilot, following his Dad's ghost into the jungle, watching the Fuselage burn from a distance, kneeling down on the beach after Boone's death, taking a moment to unwind after he used Ben as a punching bag. And recently, the Tabula Rasa script confirms that he spent the whole night sitting by himself on the beach after he had to kill the Marshall and that's where Kate finds him when he tells her it doesn't matter who they were before. I wouldn't really count those moments he's actively looking for solitude.

I thought of the flashforward for off island examples, especially when Sarah asks him what the hell he was doing driving around drunk at two am and it struck me that there's no answer he can give, he can't share this with anyone and the one person who does know what he's been through leaves him behind at the airport and tells him whatever it is that's driving him crazy "cannot be changed".

On island? When he's sitting in that corner in his glass cage after Ben's surgery, thinking he's going to die.

:shesaid: You know your man. :ntworthy:

:shesaid: You know your man. :ntworthy:

AHEM!! She knows MY man!!;)

Doc

Thank you, mom! I'm not sure I agree with myself sometimes, but nice use of pronouns there. ;) My RL momma called the other night while I was rewatching TMFT and when I told her I'm watching Lost, she said: "How's Your Doctor?" I replied with something that loosely translates as "Extremely doable. As always."

oh does FF count? then I would say it's the moment he's up on the bridge, his eyes to the sky begging forgiveness before he's about to jump. Has to be the lonilest moment of his life or he wouldn't be there.

Good point. All this talk of loneliness brought me back to what Ben said when he was trying to get the sat phone from Jack. That he has nothing to go back to in LA. At first I thought he really doesn't get it, that he's not doing this for himself and that a lot of people there just want their lives back, but I think Ben's too sharp for that. He does get it. He was merely chanting a list of what Jack perceives as his failures: his father's death, his marriage, etc. It's a very Ben thing to do.

AHEM!! She knows MY man!!;)

Do NOT unleash the demon of possessiveness that lies inside me, I beg you. :velho: <~ 's all I'm saying. I just want to keep the peace and spirit of sharing and hussy love here. :biggrin:

oh does FF count? then I would say it's the moment he's up on the bridge, his eyes to the sky begging forgiveness before he's about to jump. Has to be the lonilest moment of his life or he wouldn't be there.

That's such a good point. He looked so alone there. Must go rewatch that epi...

Do NOT unleash the demon of possessiveness that lies inside me, I beg you. :velho: <~ 's all I'm saying. I just want to keep the peace and spirit of sharing and hussy love here. :biggrin:

WOW! Momentary lapse of reason. I have no idea what I was thinking.:eek: Of course we can share! Please call off that freakin' scary dragon!!;) I sorry.:frown:

Doc

Thank you, mom! I'm not sure I agree with myself sometimes, but nice use of pronouns there. ;) My RL momma called the other night while I was rewatching TMFT and when I told her I'm watching Lost, she said: "How's Your Doctor?" I replied with something that loosely translates as "Extremely doable. As always."


LOL! well, my dad calls him "your boyfriend", but I would never reply like you did ;)

In all that we've seen of Jack's life, his past, on-island, and future, what do you think was the moment Jack felt most alone, why?

Another great question Shoe. :biggrin:

I think that in the episode "The Hunting Party" when he comes home to Sarah (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/7/normal_huntingpartycap778.jpg) and finds out that she's leaving him (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/7/normal_huntingpartycap786.jpg), I think that that is one of the moments, the key moments where Jack feels most alone. I mean, he makes this speech about wanting to be a better husband for her and wanting to better their marriage, then she turns around and basically says it's too late for that. She walks out and Jack is there in the kitchen (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/8/normal_huntingpartycap807.jpg), still suffering from the aftershocks of what she's just told him. That moment is where Jack is standing in their house, where he and Sarah shared their lives up to that point, all alone. I think that Jack was really going to try to be a better husband and finding out that he was too late to try to change the situation, that hurts.

Hm. I don't really know how to get inside a guy's headspace like that and I might start off on a false premise, but Jack has always struck me as a bit shizoid. People are fine in small doses. On the island, I wouldn't say he feels lonely most of the time or that he minds being alone. When he's dealing with something he usually goes away and needs some me time to suffer by himself, unless it's a more urgent need, such as strangling Locke. We've seen him retreat like that a few times: trying to stitch his wound in the Pilot, following his Dad's ghost into the jungle, watching the Fuselage burn from a distance, kneeling down on the beach after Boone's death, taking a moment to unwind after he used Ben as a punching bag. And recently, the Tabula Rasa script confirms that he spent the whole night sitting by himself on the beach after he had to kill the Marshall and that's where Kate finds him when he tells her it doesn't matter who they were before. I wouldn't really count those moments he's actively looking for solitude.

Great obversations as always Claudia! I agree with this. Jack isn't a social being per se. He socializes, all human beings do it, but Jack is at his most energetic and serene when he's alone or in an intimate conversation or interaction with another person IMHO (very much like myself), which is interesting considering the fact that he's the leader. He's extremely introverted. When he's extremely upset or disappointed in someone, he either blows up or he doesn't say a thing about it. On any given day, he shuts down and says nothing, but there are certain people, like Mr. Locke, who just brings something out of Jack... ;).

oh does FF count? then I would say it's the moment he's up on the bridge, his eyes to the sky begging forgiveness before he's about to jump. Has to be the lonilest moment of his life or he wouldn't be there.

Great point iorwen. He just looked so helpless in that moment, like the only way to end the pain is to die in a sense. It's so tragically poignant that scene. I can't help but cry when I watch it.

Erica, you asked about Charlie's death and I remembered having babbled about it before. I don't think he'll have much time to react because something much bigger is about to hit the fan. Outwardly, I don't think he'll show that much emotion, though that might change if Claire's around and he's trying to comfort her. It depends on how the writers pace the first couple of episodes and if they will give Charlie the right type of sendoff where everyone's in awe of his sacrifice and the piano plays the Jack theme in the background and the chubby adorable baby finds the Driveshaft ring in his crib and hopefully doesn't choke on it.

Thank you Claudia for acknowledging my question. I knew that some had already touched on the issue of how Jack would respond to Charlie's death. I agree with you actually. I don't think that Jack is going to have time to really, truly, deeply grieve for his fallen friend. I think that he's going to try to help Claire through it, or maybe that's a job for Kate and Sun. I mean, I remember that Jack said that going down to the Looking Glass hatch was a 'suicide mission', so Jack knew in a sense that whoever went down there wasn't likely to come back. I'm sure he had some hope that it wouldn't come to that, but we know that it has come to that. Jack won't even have time to think about or dwell on the consequences of telling Kate that he loves her. He will simply not have time for that. He's holding Ben captive, after Ben tells him, "If you phone her boat, every single living person on this Island will be killed...." so Jack has that going on in the back of his head as well. Is Ben finally telling the truth? Is Jack blinded by his own ambitions, the camp's ambitions? So many questions, so many dilemmas that Jack will barely have time to breathe....

Erica

So many questions, so many dilemmas that Jack will barely have time to breathe....
Erica

Let's face it, when he doesn't have time to breathe he's even hotter, if this is possible. Becuase I do love emo Jack, but when he goes all active and taking care of everything he's begging for something more than just a kiss or a hug. :crush:

Let's face it, when he doesn't have time to breathe he's even hotter, if this is possible. Becuase I do love emo Jack, but when he goes all active and taking care of everything he's begging for something more than just a kiss or a hug. :crush:

Oh Laura, you don't know the half of it. 'Emo' Jack is just luscious and kissable, but 'Take Charge' Jack is just asking, literally begging for me to jump his bones...sorry, but that's the truth. Jack is a take charge kind of guy by nature. From the moment he realizes that they crashed onto the island, he gets up and immediately starts helping people. There's no time to grieve or ask questions, he just goes. I LURF it.

I miss him so much...I'm already going insane having gone THIS long without him....:frown: :dongetit: (sulks into lifesize Jack pillow...)

Erica

AMAZED. I am amazed at the fabulous discussion we have here in the Den.

:ntworthy: :ntworthy: :ntworthy:

I agree that Jack, overall, is a lonely man. And I'm too undecided to pick his lonliest moment. So I'll cheat and pick one from each Season. LOL.

Season 1 --- I'd have to say in one of the flashback (WR?) When we saw Little Jack, and Christian was tormenting him about never having what it takes. (Do I have the right eppy?) Jack's tendency to withdraw into himself probably was born in that moment or others in his childhood that I can imagine were just like that one. Breaks my heart for the man. :down:

Season 2 --- When Jack is facing the anger of Hurley, Kate, & Sawyer in the jungle, knowing that Jack believed Michael was leading them into a trap. Jack had no one to turn to in that moment. And their trust in him and belief in him didn't exist. They thought he was a failure. It reinforced everything his Dad told him about himself. (And I like that he didn't bring Sayid up as an excuse.) :shakehead:

Season 3 -- Flashforward, TTLG, when Kate drives away. :broken_heart:


Man, Jack really deserves all of us Hussy(s) loving on him doesn't he. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

I Choose Dr. Dynamite (at least in TTLG :biggrin: )

shoe

Well, I'd love to participate some more and force my brain into articulate speech, but Thursdays are to me what Mondays are to most people, so excuse me while I shut down my brain and turn into a mere provider of exhibits for our Art Class. :smart:

Oh, yes, I'm going to ogle you no matter what. (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/Foxy/snl.jpg) You can run, but you can't hide.

I thought of the flashforward for off island examples, especially when Sarah asks him what the hell he was doing driving around drunk at two am and it struck me that there's no answer he can give, he can't share this with anyone and the one person who does know what he's been through leaves him behind at the airport and tells him whatever it is that's driving him crazy "cannot be changed".

On island? When he's sitting in that corner in his glass cage after Ben's surgery, thinking he's going to die.

I agree with your off-island choice, 100% Not sure he's had a moment of real loneliness on the island. He's to essentially taken up with his fellow castaways, either with them physically or mentally, to be entirely disconnected.

I think the key to Jack's psyche is that normal, run-of-the-mill loneliness is not a problem for him, because he is, by temperament, by upbringing, and by choice a solitary guy. So normal concepts of fellowship and comraderie that bring what most people would describe as happiness are not really relevant in his case. As you say, he enjoys a certain amount of connection, as long as he can get away when he needs to. I think it's the moments of existential desolation, of which the airport scene in the flash forward is the bleakest, that really threaten to destroy him -- when he does reach out, does need a hand to help him to his feet, and there's nothing there but the void. The entire flash forward was comprised of moments like this, to devastating effect. I don't think anything that happens on island remotely compares with it.

TSTID

You know what I love about these discussions? 2 things, 1. That we can all have different opinions and views and not attack eachother for it, so refreshing. And 2. That those different view points gives me one more excuse to rewatch the epis and I can turn to my bf and say, "I'm not obsessed, this is strictly for research purposes, I NEED to understand my fellow Den members opinions."

So thank you.

He's extremely introverted. When he's extremely upset or disappointed in someone, he either blows up or he doesn't say a thing about it. On any given day, he shuts down and says nothing, but there are certain people, like Mr. Locke, who just brings something out of Jack... ;).

Which is why I love our fellow hussy! :biggrin:


He will simply not have time for that. He's holding Ben captive, after Ben tells him, "If you phone her boat, every single living person on this Island will be killed...." so Jack has that going on in the back of his head as well. Is Ben finally telling the truth? Is Jack blinded by his own ambitions, the camp's ambitions? So many questions, so many dilemmas that Jack will barely have time to breathe....


I think that question won't begin to haunt him until he meets The Boat Of Doom and maybe even later. Because at this point, nobody believes Ben. It's not like he planted a reasonable doubt in the losties mind by saying: "Listen. I know you think you're going to be rescued, but the people on the boat are coming here to... and they're going to do very bad things to you [specify] and you're all going to die!!!" THAT might have gotten their attention with the right type of details from Ben, but they still wouldn't have believed him.

You know what I love about these discussions? 2 things, 1. That we can all have different opinions and views and not attack eachother for it, so refreshing. And 2. That those different view points gives me one more excuse to rewatch the epis and I can turn to my bf and say, "I'm not obsessed, this is strictly for research purposes, I NEED to understand my fellow Den members opinions."

:42fight: Erm... sorry... what did you just say? :biggrin: No, we don't do groupthink. It kills brain cells.

For instance, I don't completely agree with this:

So normal concepts of fellowship and comraderie that bring what most people would describe as happiness are not really relevant in his case.

I think Jack [I]does get attached to his friends and forms deep and long-lasting bonds (Marc being the prime example) and we've seen a lot of comraderie with the manly men of Lost (OK, mostly Sayid but also Michael before he betrayed them) and there's also plenty of fellowship. I've always loved his bond with Sun and we know how he admires Hurley, etc.

I see what you mean about these things not being essential to his happiness, but he cares deeply for them and truly believes they need to take care of one another and "live together" and all that.


I think it's the moments of existential desolation, of which the airport scene in the flash forward is the bleakest, that really threaten to destroy him -- when he does reach out, does need a hand to help him to his feet, and there's nothing there but the void. The entire flash forward was comprised of moments like this, to devastating effect. I don't think anything that happens on island remotely compares with it.


Indeed. Because there's always something else keeping him busy on the island, even when he's slumped in that corner and locked up in the glass cage, he's busy trying to outwit Ben and Juliet, keep his friends alive and set them free. That's why I included the SIASL conversation with Tom because those tasks were now done and he thought he was going to die. That in itself was not terribly devastating for Jack because he doesn't really value his life that much, but he was still surrounded by enemies and he was going to die alone.

:42fight: Erm... sorry... what did you just say? :biggrin: No, we don't do groupthink. It kills brain cells.

Yes, Claudia, TSTID and I have an ongoing philosophical disagreement about whether his nose is his best feature. :poking: But we refrain from calling each other names that are too vile. :kiss:

I think that question won't begin to haunt him until he meets The Boat Of Doom and maybe even later.

Yeah, but look at Jack's face when Ben initially tells him it's a mistake to contact the boat and that they will all die. This bothers Jack, perhaps because, it's just the kind of prospect that feeds his visceral, overwhelming need to protect in the first place. But it bugs him. And, if you notice, he sure lets the phone ring for a long time before he picks it up doesn't he? Why is that, I wonder? I think there's a niggling little doubt somewhere in his mind about it being the right thing to do.

Because at this point, nobody believes Ben. It's not like he planted a reasonable doubt in the losties mind by saying: "Listen. I know you think you're going to be rescued, but the people on the boat are coming here to... and they're going to do very bad things to you [specify] and you're all going to die!!!" THAT might have gotten their attention with the right type of details from Ben, but they still wouldn't have believed him.

Because Ben is nothing but a liar, and he still might be lying. Let's face it, it's more fun to be an evil little dictator in your own tropical paradise than a janitor, which is about all the formal job training Ben has. Still, do we have proof that the people on the boat intend evil/harm/nefarious purpose to the island and its inhabitants? That doesn't mean they won't bring disaster with them in some form, of course, but I wonder if they're on a mission to do Bad Things or are they not?

I think Jack [I]does get attached to his friends and forms deep and long-lasting bonds (Marc being the prime example) and we've seen a lot of comraderie with the manly men of Lost (OK, mostly Sayid but also Michael before he betrayed them) and there's also plenty of fellowship. I've always loved his bond with Sun and we know how he admires Hurley, etc.

Yes, but, Marc Silverman aside, there's little doubt that Jack's essentially a solitary creature. I think he trusts Sun and Sayid, he has given them a little insight into his life, but these friendships seem a little one-sided and consist of Jack being more at ease with them than he is with other people rather than him being a particularly emotionally open in the manner of real friendship. The same can be said for Rose, I think. Hurley? Jack admires his contributions and laughs at his jokes, but who doesn't? I think the one Jack actually liked best was Michael, but again, it was more about Jack being less uptight around him rather than forming any kind of deep emotional bond. The only real friend Jack has on the island, in my opinion, is Kate (God help him). She's the only one around whom Jack is thoroughly and totally himself, good and bad. He likes her and he loves her and he actually has expectations of her, which he doesn't bother with with anyone else at all. That's friendship, as opposed to what we see with the other characters. Of course, Sawyer adores him, but that's pretty much unrequited. :)

I see what you mean about these things not being essential to his happiness, but he cares deeply for them and truly believes they need to take care of one another and "live together" and all that.

He does, but saying things like that and believing them doesn't mean that he's buddy buddy with everyone, according to typical standards of behavior. I see him as a bit of a lone wolf, patrolling the perimeter, keeping an eye on the jungle and looking for danger, sort of vicariously feeding off of the emotional life of the little community of survivors without really wholly partaking in it and contributing to it as much to it as the others do. It's the whole "he walks among us but is not one of us" scenario, the whole shepherd/flock thing. He's part of them, but essentially separate -- it's one of his most basic, defining characteristics.

That's why I included the SIASL conversation with Tom because those tasks were now done and he thought he was going to die. That in itself was not terribly devastating for Jack because he doesn't really value his life that much, but he was still surrounded by enemies and he was going to die alone.

But I don't think it was a lonely moment for him, but rather the understood consequence of a decision that he made for the greater good. I think there would have been a certain satisfaction for him in that. Jack is sufficient unto himself in that scene, fulfilled. Compare that to any of his flash forward scenes. Where he does need his fellow man, and directly and wrenchingly appeals to them for basic sympathy and assistance and gets only abandonment in return. That is Loneliness with a capital L, and he experiences nothing on the island to compare with it at all.

The closest he comes to this on the island is when he's alone by the campfire in White Rabbit, thinking about his father's death and his part in it. But then, ZombieSmokeyChristian horns in and ruins the moment for him. :)

TSTID

huh? I'm confused, it could be a lack of caffene, but didn't I say we don't think alike and that's what's refreshing? Okay I'm going to crawl back to bed and then come back and reread Claudia's comment.

He does, but saying things like that and believing them doesn't mean that he's buddy buddy with everyone, according to typical standards of behavior. I see him as a bit of a lone wolf, patrolling the perimeter, keeping an eye on the jungle and looking for danger, sort of vicariously feeding off of the emotional life of the little community of survivors without really wholeheartedly adding as much to it as others do. The whole "he walks among us but is not one of us" scenario.


I've always liked this side of Jack, the lonely Jack. I love the way he can transmit pain, anger, nostalgia, love, sadness or anything else without saying a word. The way his eyes are so expressive, but how it's also so hard to figure him out sometimes. I love the way the character is full of contradictions, how he can lead a whole group of survivors but he can't lead his own life. How people believes in him when he's mostly a man that has been (or felt) alone during his past.

I like when he gets mad and reacts with anger becuase this makes him human. He's a rational person who needs to understand everything around him and act accordingly, but it's when he finds himself in an edging situation that we see who is - in my opinion - the real Jack. How his mind works hard and fast to do the best for everybody at the moment, how he always tries to get control of everything. And this, always considering that he's not somebody who might enjoy the interaction with other people.

The character is simply amazing.

The way his eyes are so expressive, but how it's also so hard to figure him out sometimes.

See, to me, he's by far the easiest to decipher - an open book. Probably because I identify with him a lot, and not in any of the good, heroic, noble, selfess ways either. Unfortunately.

I love the way the character is full of contradictions, how he can lead a whole group of survivors but he can't lead his own life.

It's a lot easier to lead a group of survivors against the perils of a magical and malevolent island than to look inside and honestly confront one's demons. That means you need to <gulp> change old habits and patterns of behavior, things you've lived with your whole life and feel "hard-wired" into your being. Jack's not the most introspective guy, and such self-examination would be torture for him. In fact it is torture -- it's what the Others use to break him down. Of course, things don't go the way they expect, but still, they get to him very quickly by simply making him essentially look at himself in a mirror.

The ways the island brings out what a noble and good, if deeply flawed, man Jack is, is also feeding the very qualities in him that keep him from achieving the insights and self-knowledge he needs to come by in order to achieve some balance in his life. That's why the great leap forward for Jack as a character, his "Is she happy?" moment, the moment where he truly "lets go," is achieved in total isolation from the problem solving situations that usually motivate him. There was nothing left for him to do but look inward -- OK, it was either that or come to terms with the humiliation of being knocked out by a girl, but still, it was a huge moment for him, and it only happened because he was in a fish tank and couldn't escape it.

The character is simply amazing.

No argument there. He's one of the few fictional characters, and the only one not in a book, that I think of and react to as real when I'm engaged in his story. There is total suspension of disbelief for me when it comes to Jack, and the nuance, complexity, and depth there to have sustained that for three seasons, which I think is rather astonishing.

For me, Lost truly is "The Jack Show." He's what hooks me into the story, makes the action and plot meaningful enough to continue to follow, and represents about 97% of my emotional involvement with the program -- 1% each goes to Sun/Jin, Rose/Bernard, and Desmond/Penny. But it's the good doctor I root for, fear for, am enthralled by, am occasionally disappointed in, and who breaks my heart on a regular basis.

TSTID

iorwen, I was agreeing with you, sorry for being a git (I have to pretend I'm working so I was in a hurry). We're actually quite fond of having different opinions and would never attack one another so don't let my fondness of violent smilies (:velho: :42fight:) fool you. We like to tease each other too... Look at mom for instance...

Yes, Claudia, TSTID and I have an ongoing philosophical disagreement about whether his nose is his best feature. :poking:

She's playing with fire. FIRE I tell you. :chair:

But it bugs him. And, if you notice, he sure lets the phone ring for a long time before he picks it up doesn't he? Why is that, I wonder? I think there's a niggling little doubt somewhere in his mind about it being the right thing to do.

Absolutely. That's his instinct. He just can't act on it because of everything you said about Ben.


He does, but saying things like that and believing them doesn't mean that he's buddy buddy with everyone, according to typical standards of behavior. I see him as a bit of a lone wolf, patrolling the perimeter, keeping an eye on the jungle and looking for danger, sort of vicariously feeding off of the emotional life of the little community of survivors without really wholly partaking in it and contributing to it as much to it as the others do. It's the whole "he walks among us but is not one of us" scenario, the whole shepherd/flock thing. He's part of them, but essentially separate -- it's one of his most basic, defining characteristics.


Yes, like I said, I think he does have a schizoid personality that's both suitable for and directly related to his role in the group. So I agree that he's a solitary creature and you've described his relationships with each of the losties very well, I was just saying there is camaraderie between the losties and he's part of it, without being buddy buddy with everyone.

But I don't think it was a lonely moment for him, but rather the understood consequence of a decision that he made for the greater good. I think there would have been a certain satisfaction for him in that. Jack is sufficient unto himself in that scene, fulfilled.

And pissed off at Tom and the Others' smugness whenever they keep referring to themselves as the good guys. I'm not really equating the flashforward with anything, that was my first and only choice and it is absolutely in a category of its own, but that was the closest moment I could think of for any island developments. I've already mentioned that he seeks solitute so all those times he goes off to sulk by himself don't really count for me.

Oooh, speaking of zombie!Christian... I finally found the visual to go with it. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/White%20Rabbit/smokey.jpg)Now... how is it possible that I missed that the first twenty three thousand times I watched the episode?

I've always liked this side of Jack, the lonely Jack. I love the way he can transmit pain, anger, nostalgia, love, sadness or anything else without saying a word. The way his eyes are so expressive, but how it's also so hard to figure him out sometimes. I love the way the character is full of contradictions, how he can lead a whole group of survivors but he can't lead his own life. How people believes in him when he's mostly a man that has been (or felt) alone during his past.

I wonder if he felt at any point that their trust in him is warranted, that it's not just a burden but also an invalidation of everything he's been told before, that he's not good enough, etc. It's not just because you're a doctor, Jack! :headslap: Oooh, see? Another one of my favorite smilies. But that doesn't mean I lurf him any less. :in_love:

iorwen, I was agreeing with you, sorry for being a git (I have to pretend I'm working so I was in a hurry). We're actually quite fond of having different opinions and would never attack one another so don't let my fondness of violent smilies (:velho: :42fight:) fool you. We like to tease each other too... Look at mom for instance...



She's playing with fire. FIRE I tell you. :chair:




No probs, I haven't been here in awhile and I'm out of practice with all the sarcasm hehe.

iorwen, I was agreeing with you, sorry for being a git (I have to pretend I'm working so I was in a hurry). We're actually quite fond of having different opinions and would never attack one another so don't let my fondness of violent smilies (:velho: :42fight:) fool you. We like to tease each other too... Look at mom for instance...



She's playing with fire. FIRE I tell you. :chair:

Yes, please attend while I disagree with Clauds here without any ultraviolence or name-calling:

Yes, like I said, I think he does have a schizoid personality that's both suitable for and directly related to his role in the group. So I agree that he's a solitary creature and you've described his relationships with each of the losties very well, I was just saying there is camaraderie between the losties and he's part of it, without being buddy buddy with everyone.

Surely there is nothing inherently schizoid about this, though? Having an appreciation of the benefits of human society yet being essentially disinclined to totally immerse one's self in it is actually quite consistent if one is the kind of humane outsider Jack is. He's an extremely decent and good person who is not quite sure what being a person is all about. His upbringing combined with his inherent psychological makeup has left him with a major aversion to self-awareness, and this lack of self-knowledge is what also keeps him from relating well to others. If you don't know yourself, you can't truly know anyone else. His profound decency and goodness is what connects him to others anyway. Very, very consistent for a person with his considerable emotional problems, I think.

And pissed off at Tom and the Others' smugness whenever they keep referring to themselves as the good guys.

I like it when Tom gets all self-righteous and talks about glass houses, and Jack just looks at him with an exquisite, "I'm done talking to you because you are an effing idiot" expression.

all those times he goes off to sulk by himself don't really count for me.

If I was a Lostie, you'd better believe I'd have found out where Jack's Sulking Place was and covertly camp out there all the time.

Oooh, speaking of zombie!Christian... I finally found the visual to go with it. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/White%20Rabbit/smokey.jpg)Now... how is it possible that I missed that the first twenty three thousand times I watched the episode?

Yup. He's really there. You don't have hallucinations or visions behind your back where you can't see them. Island Christian is Smokey.

I wonder if he felt at any point that their trust in him is warranted, that it's not just a burden but also an invalidation of everything he's been told before, that he's not good enough, etc.

The answer to that is no, he doesn't feel that way because he's pathologically incapable of giving himself credit for deserving credit.

But that doesn't mean I lurf him any less. :in_love:

On the contrary. It means we love him more.

TSTID

See, to me, he's by far the easiest to decipher - an open book. Probably because I identify with him a lot, and not in any of the good, heroic, noble, selfess ways either. Unfortunately.

I hope I'm not getting anything wrong of what you said. Sometimes it's hard for me to follow this not being an English speaker. So if there's any missunderstod, sorry in advance :)

When I say that sometimes it's hard to figure him out, I don't talk for me, either, but the way the other people see him in the island. His fellow survivors. In daily life I also find myself very identified with him, not only because he's also a surgeon and we both have daddy issues with alcoholic problems to deal with, also because I've made the same mistaskes he's done in his life. I wish I could have the heroic side he has to deal with, but unfortunately I don't.

It's a lot easier to lead a group of survivors against the perils of a magical and malevolent island than to look inside and honestly confront one's demons. That means you need to <gulp> change old habits and patterns of behavior, things you've lived with your whole life and feel "hard-wired" into your being. Jack's not the most introspective guy, and such self-examination would be torture for him. In fact it is torture -- it's what the Others use to break him down. Of course, things don't go the way they expect, but still, they get to him very quickly by simply making him essentially look at himself in a mirror.

This is why I think he's such a realistic character. It's the ethernal confrontation between your inner problems and the outside world. Leading the ones around you is a lot easier than leading youself, either because you don't dare to admit your own situation, or because it's a lot easier to see the sand into somebody else's eye (and I'm not sure this has sense in English, LOL, it's a saying we have in Spain to mean that it's easier to see the other's problems than your own).

For me, Lost truly is "The Jack Show." He's what hooks me into the story, makes the action and plot meaningful enough to continue to follow, and represents about 97% of my emotional involvement with the program -- 1% each goes to Sun/Jin, Rose/Bernard, and Desmond/Penny. But it's the good doctor I root for, fear for, am enthralled by, am occasionally disappointed in, and who breaks my heart on a regular basis.

I love you say this, because I've called it the Jack show in several occasions, too. At the beginning, I wasn't really into Lost for the simple reason that in Spain they decided the show wouldn't like and they put it at impossible hours. I remember the pilot episode was released on a Monday at 11 pm, making it impossible to watch for those who has to wake up really early in the morning. Back then the only work I knew of Matthew Fox was Party of five, which was the one that made me a fan of him. The first episode of Lost I saw was a flashback of him, where he argued with his father. That's what get me into the story. I got online and downloaded the episodes, I lost interest in watching them in Spanish at the same moment that I gained interest in following the whole story line. Since then, it's the Jack show, well, the Jack vs Christian show for me.

And with this, and from here, I want to ask something to the Spanish TV: Please, take care with the translations, because it's really sad when the whole threat is damaged because the translations made are so poor. We don't have Desmond's british accent, and this is sad, but it's even worse to have poor and bad translations that change completelly the whole plot.

She's playing with fire. FIRE I tell you. :chair:
*rubs the bump on the back of my head*

Yeah, but look at Jack's face when Ben initially tells him it's a mistake to contact the boat and that they will all die. This bothers Jack, perhaps because, it's just the kind of prospect that feeds his visceral, overwhelming need to protect in the first place. But it bugs him. And, if you notice, he sure lets the phone ring for a long time before he picks it up doesn't he? Why is that, I wonder? I think there's a niggling little doubt somewhere in his mind about it being the right thing to do. I'll have to go rewatch for this detail, but the way things played out, Naomi initiated the call before she was knifed in the back, and the ringing that went on for a long time was waiting for Minkowski to pick up, which he eventually did. Did Jack hesitate before answering Minkowski? I recall him being very much on task talking to him.

The only real friend Jack has on the island, in my opinion, is Kate (God help him). She's the only one around whom Jack is thoroughly and totally himself, good and bad. He likes her and he loves her and he actually has expectations of her, which he doesn't bother with with anyone else at all. That's friendship, as opposed to what we see with the other characters. Of course, Sawyer adores him, but that's pretty much unrequited. :) Rewatching Season 1 it's notable how much he confides in Kate: his worries about water, about the group not getting along, about stressing out worrying about people. He relies on Sayid in the much same way and can confide some of his concerns to him. This came full circle with both these friends in the 3rd season finale.

Yet he kept his plans from all the Losties, including Kate and Sayid in the second half of Season 3. I think he formed a much more equal friendship with Juliet. One he never had with Kate. I'm not saying he doesn't like her, I'm saying he doesn't see her as an equal. He certainly respects Sayid and I'd love for them to work more as a team in season 4 but I do think to a large extent Jack is a loner and flourishes as such.

*rubs the bump on the back of my head*

I'll have to go rewatch for this detail, but the way things played out, Naomi initiated the call before she was knifed in the back, and the ringing that went on for a long time was waiting for Minkowski to pick up, which he eventually did. Did Jack hesitate before answering Minkowski? I recall him being very much on task talking to him.

Oh fine, be right once again! Shame me in front of everyone! But still...I'm totally 100% right about The Schnozz. I will brook no contradiction on that issue.

Yet he kept his plans from all the Losties, including Kate and Sayid in the second half of Season 3.

As a way of protecting them both from Juliet should he have been wrong about her. At least that's what I always thought.

I think he formed a much more equal friendship with Juliet.

I agree that they are more peers with each other, but I wouldn't compare his relationship with Juliet, who has psychologically tortured him and been a partner in visiting all kinds of abuse on he and his friends, and who he was very recently willing to hang out to dry with her people, to that of Kate, who has been very much a trusted confidante from the start.

One he never had with Kate. I'm not saying he doesn't like her, I'm saying he doesn't see her as an equal.

That's because she isn't. But there's more to real friendship than social and intellectual equality. I think Juliet is going to indeed hang Jack and the Losties out to dry in a big way in Season 4. I'm not entirely sure Jack is 100% sure what she's about, and he shouldn't be.

TSTID

Rewatching Season 1 it's notable how much he confides in Kate: his worries about water, about the group not getting along, about stressing out worrying about people. .

I loved when they started being confident with each other, not because I'm a Jater, but I really enjoyed it, more when I rewatched it because I wasn't that pending of the general plot and more pending about the details.
*Sighs* I love their first scenes together (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/jack_kate_beach.jpg)! :malelove:

*sneaks in from work*

Hello? There were posts I wanted to reply to... where did they go? :confused:


As a way of protecting them both from Juliet should he have been wrong about her. At least that's what I always thought.

I think Jack knew Juliet wasn't an issue at that point. The planned attack was. He weighed in his options and then went to Danielle and laid out the plan. I didn't see anyone coming up with a better idea, so... I really think it had nothing to do with Juliet and everything to do with the urgency of their situation.

As for Kate and Juliet... I don't like one and don't trust the other, so I win. :biggrin:

I've realized all my posts have been deleted and I've got an infaction in my profile. I got an email from the mods saying somethign about Gratuitous Violence, but I'm not sure of what this means :(. I did offend somebody or did something I shouldn't have done? Because I'm not really aware of it :(

Oh fine, be right once again! Shame me in front of everyone! But still...I'm totally 100% right about The Schnozz. I will brook no contradiction on that issue.



As a way of protecting them both from Juliet should he have been wrong about her. At least that's what I always thought.



I agree that they are more peers with each other, but I wouldn't compare his relationship with Juliet, who has psychologically tortured him and been a partner in visiting all kinds of abuse on he and his friends, and who he was very recently willing to hang out to dry with her people, to that of Kate, who has been very much a trusted confidante from the start.



That's because she isn't. But there's more to real friendship than social and intellectual equality. I think Juliet is going to indeed hang Jack and the Losties out to dry in a big way in Season 4. I'm not entirely sure Jack is 100% sure what she's about, and he shouldn't be.

TSTID


I complete agree with your take on Juliet and Jack's "friendship". He went to hell and back for Kate so to say he doesn't really care about her, is a bit off. Juliet is not all she wants everyone to think and I also believe she will betray them all in the end. Kate is really the only true friend that Jack has. He does like her and he loves her. We've seen nothing but his respect and concern for her from the beginning.

I've realized all my posts have been deleted and I've got an infaction in my profile. I got an email from the mods saying somethign about Gratuitous Violence, but I'm not sure of what this means :(. I did offend somebody or did something I shouldn't have done? Because I'm not really aware of it :(

lovely. you deleted all of your own posts and then blamed it on the mods?:undecide:

yes, you got a PM from the mods telling you what error you had made and why your post was edited. the word you used that was edited, portrays a violent act and is generally considered offensive. you got no points for this, neither has any of your posting rights been taken away...i do not understand why you needed to delete all of your posts. all but one have been restored. please do not do the mass delete again. thank you.

Yeah, but look at Jack's face when Ben initially tells him it's a mistake to contact the boat and that they will all die. This bothers Jack, perhaps because, it's just the kind of prospect that feeds his visceral, overwhelming need to protect in the first place. But it bugs him. And, if you notice, he sure lets the phone ring for a long time before he picks it up doesn't he? Why is that, I wonder? I think there's a niggling little doubt somewhere in his mind about it being the right thing to do.

This is my point, thank you TSTID. This is what I meant to get to when I asked the qustion "Is Jack blinded by his own ambitions, the camp's ambitions?" We see that when Ben shows up and he and Jack go off to talk, Jack is amused (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1309.jpg) by the fact that Ben thinks that he can single-handedly stop him from calling that freight, from getting rescued. Then Ben says, "If you call that boat, every living person on the Island dies..." and we see this change in Jack's face, in his eyes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1333.jpg). This is bugging him, but he doesn't let it overrule him in that scene, because if he lets Ben see that he has a sliver of doubt, then Ben wins, and Jack is not up for that.

Jack does let the phone ring for a very long time, as TSTID mentioned, why is that? As I said, there's some voice in the back of Jack's head, some doubt nagging at him. I mean, when he finally got to the radio tower, he was ready for Naomi to get that signal, but something changed in a sense. Jack stands up to both Ben and Locke, and finally makes the call, but I can't help but feel that he has a few doubts about what's coming, despite the fact that he's very happy that the call was made. I mean, think about it, Jack is the only one who heard Ben's speech about 'history repeating itself' so will Jack tell anyone else or not?

But Ben is a manipulatinve little bug-eyed cretan, so I wouldn't believe him either. So I don't blame Jack for bashing his face in and not batting a single eye-lash about it.

See, to me, he's by far the easiest to decipher - an open book. Probably because I identify with him a lot, and not in any of the good, heroic, noble, selfess ways either. Unfortunately.

This applies to me as well. I see a lot of myself in Jack. I'm not going to brag here, but he has a good, kind, giving heart. He is extremely stubborn at times, until he meets his match, someone equally stubborn. He makes friends, not by being 'the class clown' or by being something that he's not, he's just himself and people flock to the goodness and the potential they see in him and it inspires them. Now, I'm none of those later aspects, but I see that we're both too similar for words at this point. I'm drawn to his vulnerability and his strength. I know that that's a bit of a contradiction, but hey, I'm complicated.

For me, Lost truly is "The Jack Show." He's what hooks me into the story, makes the action and plot meaningful enough to continue to follow, and represents about 97% of my emotional involvement with the program -- 1% each goes to Sun/Jin, Rose/Bernard, and Desmond/Penny. But it's the good doctor I root for, fear for, am enthralled by, am occasionally disappointed in, and who breaks my heart on a regular basis.

:shesaid: Amen sister. Everything I feel about that character and my motivations for watching LOST is what you just said (but I'm a HUGE Jater, so that's another aspect of why I watch ;))

Erica

This is why I think he's such a realistic character. It's the ethernal confrontation between your inner problems and the outside world. Leading the ones around you is a lot easier than leading youself, either because you don't dare to admit your own situation, or because it's a lot easier to see the sand into somebody else's eye (and I'm not sure this has sense in English, LOL, it's a saying we have in Spain to mean that it's easier to see the other's problems than your own).

No te preocupes, se te entiende todo. :biggrin: OK, time to stop embarrassing myself (PS: I did dubbing for a nature documentary once and it's not easy... but what they need for those translations are Lost fans... people who know the intricacies of the show; they end up with lousy translations because they interpret the words instead of the concepts behind them). Also, I had no clue you could actually delete all your posts when you're just trying to delete one, but even if I've been here for so long, I still make mistakes and push the wrong button sometimes. For someone who's been here two weeks, you're doing great and I'm glad you've decided to join us. :hug: If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask, someone's always awake here in one of the timezones. Personally, I've answered the multiquote button so many times in various threads, I can just copy/paste it at the drop of a hat. :biggrin:

I think you'll find yourself in good company because we love Christian's relationship with Jack too. It really was one of the things that drew me in and sucked me into the show completely. I'll be away tomorrow, but I plan on rewatching Do No Harm on Sunday so we can review it and discuss it for the rewind. I was thinking of rewatching his scenes with Claire in Par Avion as well, because this is another one of those times when he's so close to being a caring parent who's there for his kids, but somehow, it just doesn't work out.

His profound decency and goodness is what connects him to others anyway. Very, very consistent for a person with his considerable emotional problems, I think.

What do you mean no violence? But I dig violence! :crybaby:

I don't see anything inconsistent about it. His inherent psychological makeup is that of a loner, one who is connected to others. I think I objected to the idea that there's no camaraderie between Jack and the flock, mainly because we know how the writers love their manbonding and it's very endearing at times.

If I was a Lostie, you'd better believe I'd have found out where Jack's Sulking Place was and covertly camp out there all the time.

I'd put up a big flashing sign: "Solid, Warm, Reliable Shoulder To Cry On Among Other Things". :angelnot:

The answer to that is no

Thought so. Hence the :headslap:

*rubs the bump on the back of my head*

It's OK, we love bumps (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Our%20Little%20Problem/zomgitshuge.jpg). ;)

mom, you're right, it's not the moment he makes the call, but I think Erica described the scene we got mixed up...

We see that when Ben shows up and he and Jack go off to talk, Jack is amused (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1309.jpg) by the fact that Ben thinks that he can single-handedly stop him from calling that freight, from getting rescued. Then Ben says, "If you call that boat, every living person on the Island dies..." and we see this change in Jack's face, in his eyes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1333.jpg). This is bugging him, but he doesn't let it overrule him in that scene, because if he lets Ben see that he has a sliver of doubt, then Ben wins, and Jack is not up for that.

Lost does foreshadowing very well. This is what I remember as Jack looking at Ben for just one second and then doing what all of us would have done. He didn't have his own flashforward TiVoed the way we do.

I think I objected to the idea that there's no camaraderie between Jack and the flock, mainly because we know how the writers love their manbonding and it's very endearing at times.

I never intended to imply that there wasn't any camraraderie, only that it is not as important to Jack as it might be to a more emotionally normal person because he's simply not a people person, a person for whom that element of meaningful human relations is particularly important. My dad was like that...a fringe-dwelling humanist, so maybe I'm projecting. :) In any case...we seem to be agreeing after all. Go figure.

It's OK, we love bumps (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Our%20Little%20Problem/zomgitshuge.jpg). ;).

The hussy in the Star Trek reject costume has never seen anything like it in her life.

TSTID

I agree that they are more peers with each other, but I wouldn't compare his relationship with Juliet, who has psychologically tortured him and been a partner in visiting all kinds of abuse on he and his friends, and who he was very recently willing to hang out to dry with her people, to that of Kate, who has been very much a trusted confidante from the start.




TSTID

Well I can argue Kate has tortured him emotionally with her yo-yoing btw him and Sawyer. Not really the same league as what Juliet did to him, but in some ways maybe more painful. Still Jack I think has made peace with Juliet's part in his confinement. And as for wiling to hang her out to dry (he did say "together" to her didn't he?) wasn't he willing to leave Kate handcuffed in the gamesroom of the Others so he and Juliet can go home in the sub? Yes he did tell Kate he'd come back to her but that was putting a whole lot of trust in Ben's hands that he wouldn't hurt Kate.

I agree with TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded that in essense Jack is a loner. He is a "great man but that make [him] lonely and angry" I think I quoted Achara correctly.

Well I can argue Kate has tortured him emotionally with her yo-yoing btw him and Sawyer. Not really the same league as what Juliet did to him, but in some ways maybe more painful. Still Jack I think has made peace with Juliet's part in his confinement. And as for wiling to hang her out to dry (he did say "together" to her didn't he?) wasn't he willing to leave Kate handcuffed in the gamesroom of the Others so he and Juliet can go home in the sub? Yes he did tell Kate he'd come back to her but that was putting a whole lot of trust in Ben's hands that he wouldn't hurt Kate.

I understand your point iorwen and I respect it, but being a hardcore Jater and an extreme Jack-hussy, I don't think that this is the appropriate place for this type of discussion. It is very interesting to discuss Jack's POV in light of the situation with Kate and Juliet, two women who obviously want him, but this place is strictly reserved for our passion for Jack and Jack alone. It's very easy to get sidetracked and passionate about who we would like to see with our favorite doctor (I'm very guilty of this), but again, I feel as though this is a sacred place and is reserved strictly for our love and analytical discussions about Jack, just Jack. :biggrin:

Erica

I agree that Jack can be very much a loner by nature, but after everything that happened, I think he was trying to reach out a little in season three. Some instances I saw were his forming a friendship with Tom, when he told Charlie that the next time the boys went camping he'd like to come (The Brig), his random but personal comment about his dad to Juliet (Catch-22), and his efforts to repair his friendship with Kate when she thought he was mad at her. Though I think he tends to be a loner (particularly when going through something emotionally), I don't think he actually wants to be completely alone. He seems to like having a small group of friends around and I think that feeling was reinforced to him when he let Kate and Sawyer go leaving him alone in the Others camp and when he made the decision to leave them all behind to leave the island with Juliet and try to secure rescue. When he got back to the beach and realized things were different between them, he made an effort to put things back the way they were as friends. Though that's not to say he didn't put the plan temporarily above their friendship when he found out about Naomi. Boy does prioritize- practical above the emotional.

I agree that they are more peers with each other, but I wouldn't compare his relationship with Juliet, who has psychologically tortured him and been a partner in visiting all kinds of abuse on he and his friends, and who he was very recently willing to hang out to dry with her people, to that of Kate, who has been very much a trusted confidante from the start.
I agree with Forever_Erica that nothing good can come from us debating Juliet to Kate and I don't want to continue that (I don't like to anyway since I consider his relationship with Juliet as apt to a Sarah discussion as a Kate- and vice versa for all of them), but I don't really understand what you're referring to here if you wouldn't mind clarifying the scene. I'm just not remembering. :undecide:

yes, you got a PM from the mods telling you what error you had made and why your post was edited. the word you used that was edited, portrays a violent act and is generally considered offensive. you got no points for this, neither has any of your posting rights been taken away...i do not understand why you needed to delete all of your posts. all but one have been restored. please do not do the mass delete again. thank you.

I'm terribly sorry because I hate to talk about this personal situation in here, I just wanted to let everybody know why I'm quitting the forum.

About the '**edited word**' thing, I wanted to let you know that I'm Spanish, so I'm pretty sure is all a problem of translation. In here, when you say we want to **edited** somebody is the same that when in other countries they say "I love him so much that I'd eat them". You don't really mean you're going to do an act of canibalism, it's absolutely a symbolic thing. This is the way I meant it, and the way we use the word in Spain (were Catalonia, where I live)

It says that the fault never expires, and I hate to be judged forever, being put in the same category that those who really want to ruin the forum or want to mess with other people or looking for trouble. I'm just a Spanish fan who used a word that wasn't appropriate at the moment, just because in here we use it often in another context. If you check the posts I've been sending, most of them has been edited by myself correcting my own grammar mistakes because I do a lot of them. If not, try yoursel fto write in a foreign language you're learning since a couple of years ago.

I'd like to continue in the Den, but I don't feel like it anymore :( . I'm afraid at some point I'll make another mistake like that one, and this is the only way to prevent it.

Keep up the good work, this is a good place. I wish we had one of these in Spanish.

Thanks for your time,

Laura

Editing note: Thanks to a very good friend, I've decided I'm not going to quit. I like this place too much.
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No te preocupes, se te entiende todo. :biggrin: OK, time to stop embarrassing myself

OMG, your Spanish is excellent! :1smiling:

For someone who's been here two weeks, you're doing great and I'm glad you've decided to join us. :hug: If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask, someone's always awake here in one of the timezones. Personally, I've answered the multiquote button so many times in various threads, I can just copy/paste it at the drop of a hat. :biggrin:

Aaawwwww, thanks hon! :hug: I love this place because people is always ready to help! It's been known around the world that Foxy fans are great persons by nature!

I think you'll find yourself in good company because we love Christian's relationship with Jack too. It really was one of the things that drew me in and sucked me into the show completely. I'll be away tomorrow, but I plan on rewatching Do No Harm on Sunday so we can review it and discuss it for the rewind.

No Harm is one of my favorite Jack Flashbacks episode, mainly because it contains two of my favorite scenes: Jack talking with his dad sitting at the edge of the pool (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/normal_donoharm527.jpg) and Jack playing the piano (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/normal_donoharm322.jpg). *sighs*

I understand your point iorwen and I respect it, but being a hardcore Jater and an extreme Jack-hussy, I don't think that this is the appropriate place for this type of discussion. It is very interesting to discuss Jack's POV in light of the situation with Kate and Juliet, two women who obviously want him, but this place is strictly reserved for our passion for Jack and Jack alone. It's very easy to get sidetracked and passionate about who we would like to see with our favorite doctor (I'm very guilty of this), but again, I feel as though this is a sacred place and is reserved strictly for our love and analytical discussions about Jack, just Jack. :biggrin:

Erica

I didn't start this discussion I'm only stating my point of view after other people brought up Kate first. I don't know how you can discuss Jack in view of whether he is lonely or not and not discuss the women in his life. But whatever, I'm used to being in the minority when it comes to who I think he should be with and won't bother mentioning it again. I will bite my tongue from here on out.

Editing note: Thanks to a very good friend, I've decided I'm not going to quit. I like this place too much.

OMG, Laura, you almost SCARED me half to death! I'm so glad that you've decided to stick with the Den. We are a very lovely group of Jack-fans and we want all of Jack's fans to feel welcomed here to gush, fantasize, etc. about him. Everyone makes mistakes, that's no excuse to give up on us! I'm really glad that you see that now!

I'm SO glad that you've decided to stay. YAY! :hug:

P.S. Are you trying to give me a heartattack Laura? Jesus! :biggrin:

I didn't start this discussion I'm only stating my point of view after other people brought up Kate first. I don't know how you can discuss Jack in view of whether he is lonely or not and not discuss the women in his life. But whatever, I'm used to being in the minority when it comes to who I think he should be with and won't bother mentioning it again. I will bite my tongue from here on out.

iorwen, I see that I have offended you and made you upset and that was not my intention with that post. I respect you and I know that you were only responding to the other posts that mentioned Kate and Juliet, but since you are a shipper (judging from your avatar picture), we (I say 'we' because I've shipped and continue to ship Jack and Kate), tend to dive into discussions that are meant for shipper threads. I understand that you can't exactly discuss Jack being alone or lonely without mentioning the two women that are vying for his heart, but it's just the way that it's gone about that makes it a touchy topic.

I apologize if I made you feel as though you have to 'bite your tongue' because surely that is NOT the case. There's just a time and place for everything is all. I admire your posts and I respect you too much to try and suppress any of your amazing ideas. ;)

Erica

iorwen, I see that I have offended you and made you upset and that was not my intention with that post. I respect you and I know that you were only responding to the other posts that mentioned Kate and Juliet, but since you are a shipper (judging from your avatar picture), we (I say 'we' because I've shipped and continue to ship Jack and Kate), tend to dive into discussions that are meant for shipper threads. I understand that you can't exactly discuss Jack being alone or lonely without mentioning the two women that are vying for his heart, but it's just the way that it's gone about that makes it a touchy topic.

I apologize if I made you feel as though you have to 'bite your tongue' because surely that is NOT the case. There's just a time and place for everything is all. I admire your posts and I respect you too much to try and suppress any of your amazing ideas. ;)

Erica

Oh Erica you didn't offend me you just caught me at a hormonal moment in time LOL!
And believe me I have no interest in getting into a shipper war with anyone, especially when its someone who loves Jack like I do. Common ground and all. Besides I'm not the type of person to stay silent for long, bitten tongue or not. hehe

Seems alot of emotion has been running through this thread lately I"m glad no one has decided to leave.

I think we miss LOST alot.. but we are good friends here.....
as for the wonderful references to chocolate and Jack... well.....

I enjoy the eye candy of the other men on LOST, but my heart "aches" for just a glimse of Jack/Foxy... he is Jack. no one else could play that part.
he was born for it.

As for the chocolate, go lightly ladies, it can mask the true flavor of the item you wish to enjoy.. drizzled, dripped, or lightly brushed on... but as we all know sometimes chocolate can enjoy something put on it!

I watched a few Jack videos, and well..the show would not have lasted one season with out him. .it was a good choice for the producers to keep him.
i wouldl like to know how many other "lost" girls on the island have a crush on Jack, but keep it toned down cause of Kate.!
hum.. nice filler epi dont you think...

have a great weekend..

Oh Erica you didn't offend me you just caught me at a hormonal moment in time LOL!
And believe me I have no interest in getting into a shipper war with anyone, especially when its someone who loves Jack like I do. Common ground and all. Besides I'm not the type of person to stay silent for long, bitten tongue or not. hehe

Seems alot of emotion has been running through this thread lately I"m glad no one has decided to leave.

Thanks iorwen. I'm glad that we can ship on opposite sides of the spectrum and still be friends and have admiration and respect for one another. I think that that is absolutely wonderful. Shipper wars are simply juvenile and I try to stay as far away from that crap as possible. There is a common ground here because we both love and admire Jack and want to see him happy, period. I agree with you. I'm not the type to stay quiet either, that's why I find myself in certain situations where I get into trouble... hehehe...:sneaky2:.

Yeah, emotions have been running high in this thread lately, and I'm also glad that no one is letting that get to them. Lets do our thing and love Jack like we always have and leave the other bull**** out to dry.

I enjoy the eye candy of the other men on LOST, but my heart "aches" for just a glimse of Jack/Foxy... he is Jack. no one else could play that part. he was born for it.

This is true. Well, not all of it for me because I only have eyes for Jack/Foxy and no other man on the Island or on television gets to me the way that he does. Matthew Fox was born to play Jack. Damon and JJ met with Matthew and told him that they see him as Jack and that's about the best decision they've made.

As for the chocolate, go lightly ladies, it can mask the true flavor of the item you wish to enjoy.. drizzled, dripped, or lightly brushed on... but as we all know sometimes chocolate can enjoy something put on it!

Ain't that the truth! But hey, I'm sure the taste of chocolate only heightens the experience. However it's applied to the human form...drizzled, dripped, or lightly brushed on...it's coming off just as quickly. :naughty:

Foxy fudgepop anyone? :fudgepop:

I watched a few Jack videos, and well..the show would not have lasted one season with out him. .it was a good choice for the producers to keep him.

Yeah, well, I believe that as well. I think that having kept Jack, the story is more fulfilling in that as soon as we see him on the beach, zipping here and there, helping this person, reviving that person, we trust him, we rely on him, we believe in him, and if they were to have killed him, like the original Pilot script read, then we wouldn't have anyone to root for, we wouldn't have anyone to truly believe in. That's Jack. We root for him, we trust him and believe in him when every odd is stacked up against him. It's the beauty of and the reason why I watch the show.

Erica

I'm terribly sorry because I hate to talk about this personal situation in here, I just wanted to let everybody know why I'm quitting the forum.

About the '**edited word**' thing, I wanted to let you know that I'm Spanish, so I'm pretty sure is all a problem of translation. In here, when you say we want to **edited** somebody is the same that when in other countries they say "I love him so much that I'd eat them". You don't really mean you're going to do an act of canibalism, it's absolutely a symbolic thing. This is the way I meant it, and the way we use the word in Spain (were Catalonia, where I live)

i posted a reply to you here so that others can learn and not make the same mistake. i understand how hard it must be to post in another language from your native tongue. i applaud you for trying. however, some "common" sayings in other languages do not necessarily make for appropriate comments on this forum. you must remember that when you post. you certainly could have used another word that could conveigh a similar meaning...for example: jump or tackle. as for the removed/edited word...forcing someone to engage in unwanted violent physical contact is just not right and should not be made to seem like it is okay to do such a thing. i think that perhaps you should look up the true meaning of the word before you suggest that someone do this to you or another person.



It says that the fault never expires, and I hate to be judged forever, being put in the same category that those who really want to ruin the forum or want to mess with other people or looking for trouble. I'm just a Spanish fan who used a word that wasn't appropriate at the moment, just because in here we use it often in another context. If you check the posts I've been sending, most of them has been edited by myself correcting my own grammar mistakes because I do a lot of them. If not, try yoursel fto write in a foreign language you're learning since a couple of years ago.
your warning is only seen by you and the mods. no one else can see it. as for it being forever, it can removed after a period of time if it seems the poster has learned from the mistake.

I'd like to continue in the Den, but I don't feel like it anymore :( . I'm afraid at some point I'll make another mistake like that one, and this is the only way to prevent it.

Keep up the good work, this is a good place. I wish we had one of these in Spanish.

Thanks for your time,

Laura

Editing note: Thanks to a very good friend, I've decided I'm not going to quit. I like this place too much.

glad you have decided to stay instead of going off b/c of one mistake. i would recommend that you get a better translation editor or something. if you have a question about using a word, double check it with someone here who can advise you. the term you used while seemingly innocent in your context is not one that should be used lightly. i am sure you would feel differently about the word if you understood its full connotation. :undecide:

happy posting.

i posted a reply to you here so that others can learn and not make the same mistake. i understand how hard it must be to post in another language from your native tongue. i applaud you for trying. however, some "common" sayings in other languages do not necessarily make for appropriate comments on this forum. you must remember that when you post. you certainly could have used another word that could conveigh a similar meaning...for example: jump or tackle.

I'll remember these two words. Jump, tackle, or any other that might mean what I wanted to express. Thanks for the suggestion.:)

glad you have decided to stay instead of going off b/c of one mistake. i would recommend that you get a better translation editor or something. if you have a question about using a word, double check it with someone here who can advise you. the term you used while seemingly innocent in your context is not one that should be used lightly.
happy posting.

Like I said, I wouldn't go. I've got good friends in here and besides talking about my favorite guy is giving me the opportunity to express myself in another language, which is something really good. I know this is not the forum to discuss this, so I'm going to stop it here. Sorry for any trouble caused.
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I made 15 Jack icons of Pilot episode (http://community.livejournal.com/foxy_lovers/2046.html#cutid1). They're not really special, but in case you want to check them I felt like sharing :biggrin:

Hey Foxhussies! We Are Marshall is coming out in DVD this Tuesday!
Bonus features include a documentary, and wasn't Matthew supposed to have participated in that too?

Hey Foxhussies! We Are Marshall is coming out in DVD this Tuesday!
Bonus features include a documentary, and wasn't Matthew supposed to have participated in that too?


:heart: This does an "extra's" heart good. It does (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/We%20Are%20Marshall%202/NiceFoxySideShot.jpg).

Thanks for the update. I knew it was this month, I guess I thought it was in another week.

Hoo-hah. I know what I'll be doing Tuesday night. :biggrin:

I Choose Jack!!

shoe

Hey Foxhussies! We Are Marshall is coming out in DVD this Tuesday!
Bonus features include a documentary, and wasn't Matthew supposed to have participated in that too?

:confused: It's just coming out now? That's weird. It's been out here for months, and not the pirate copy, but the real version. We never get thing released here before they get released in the US. Odd. Anyway, enjoy the toolbelt and the football ladies :hypocrit:

Hey Foxhussies! We Are Marshall is coming out in DVD this Tuesday!
Bonus features include a documentary, and wasn't Matthew supposed to have participated in that too?

Woohoo! I finally get to watch this.
I didn't see it when it was in theatres. :hide:

but I don't really understand what you're referring to here if you wouldn't mind clarifying the scene.

Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. I was referring to the scene in "Not in Portland" where Jack reveals to Tom that Juliet had a plan to have Ben killed.

TSTID

Hey Foxhussies! We Are Marshall is coming out in DVD this Tuesday!
Bonus features include a documentary, and wasn't Matthew supposed to have participated in that too?

Finally. a local video store had it scheduled for release here on the 17th but when I went yesterday to try and book a copy the said its not sure if it will be released on Monday. Darn

Hey Foxhussies! We Are Marshall is coming out in DVD this Tuesday!
Bonus features include a documentary, and wasn't Matthew supposed to have participated in that too?

Cool, but I have to say that I've been enjoying Foxy as a red-headed Red Dawson for quite some time now lol. The DVD came out (in Kansas, where I'm from) in JUNE :eek2:. I personally think that there was a mixup with shipping or something and I walked into the store and there it was...and I grabbed it and paid for it before I woke up lol, but it was real.

So I've been ogling Foxy in that Marshall green for awhile now! I'm glad that everyone can join on in the fun with me!

Erica