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Claudia815

09-16-2007, 10:37 AM

Oh, that's right. shoegirl's movie (co-starring the guy from Lost) is coming out next week.

September will also give me a chance to watch Haunted. The Sci Fi channel will air all 13 episodes as of Wednesday, September 26th at 10 PM. I remember I really enjoyed the Pilot, but I stopped watching TV alltogether shortly after when I went back to school. Here's my chance to catch up.

The hussy in the Star Trek reject costume has never seen anything like it in her life.

Have you? Have I? :thud:

there's more to real friendship than social and intellectual equality.

:shesaid: Juliet knows where she stands too. Elizabeth Mitchell is too good of an actress to leave anything to the interpretation when she's listening to Kate recount the counting to 5 story in NIP.

Still Jack I think has made peace with Juliet's part in his confinement.

:shesaid: It seemed obvious to me. She was put on trial and saved from execution at the last moment after she helped his friends escape.

It's very easy to get sidetracked and passionate about who we would like to see with our favorite doctor

:shesaid: Personally, I do my best to not flame you and visit random acts of violence on all of you for failing to recognize that there is only one OTP and that is Cluck. :42fight: It takes every ounce of self control in me, but I do it because I love you guys.

Though that's not to say he didn't put the plan temporarily above their friendship when he found out about Naomi. Boy does prioritize- practical above the emotional.

Hey, Jupiter! Good to see you back. Well, his friends didn't trust him to not hurt an injured woman (at least Locke knows his boy :lol2:) and kept her a secret, afraid that Jack would try to... I don't even know what. Prevent them from getting rescued? He put their safety first because like you said, he's all about prioritizing.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-16-2007, 12:22 PM

Claudia815

09-16-2007, 09:39 PM

I lost my post as soon as I was finally done... so this will have to do...

The Jack Show Rewind. Do No Harm--The One Where We All Hope Jack Does A Julia Roberts In Runaway Bride, Boone Leaves A Good Looking (If Somewhat Banged Up) Corpse Behind, Aaron Pops Out Sans Horns Or A Tail And I Love Kate.

I don't even know where to start with this episode, but the long goofy titles are always helpful.

Previously on Lost: a bunch of impossibly good looking dudes and dudettes crash on a seemingly deserted island. One of them, The One With The Gorgeous Blue Eyes, gets crushed to (almost) death by the Nigerian plane and is dumped by The Myserious Baldie into Dr.Delicious' arms (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Do%20No%20Harm/1x20_DoNoHarm_002.jpg), causing much heartbreaking angsting for said sexy surgeon.

Aside from the season 1 and season 3 finales (two hour episodes have a different pace and allow for more story development), this is in my opinion the most intense episode of Lost. There's no monster, no chasing through the jungle (unless we count Kate falling on her toosh and poor Boone's alcohol) and not much happens. What does transpire though is the stuff that makes Lost so addictive. For me, it was definitely the most intense viewing experience at the time.

I laughed:

-when Jack threatens Hurley: "Hurley, I swear to God, if you faint..."
-when Kate looks a little chagrined that she's replaced in the coveted position of Jack's Naughty Nurse. No offense Katie, but Sun's much cooler under pressure.
-when Jin and Kate and then Jin and Charlie play the losties favorite game: "Where's Jack? GET JACK!"
-when Claire insists that she's fine, dammit! This right here (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Do%20No%20Harm/stubbornmuch.jpg)is SUCH a Shephard face. :lol2:
-when Sayid insists those trees look familiar.
-when Jin and Claire manbond over being outsiders from the messy miracle of birth. Jin's face is perfect: "Trust me, dude. You don't want to be there!"
-when Charlie delivers a perfect bloody line.
-when Jack asks Sarah if the hussies checking him out were cute.
-when Christian reads Sarah's vows and has a slight moment of panic wondering if Jack wrote that flowery, sugarcoated crap and then tries to be a supportive dad and says "These are nice" but forgets to sound convincing.
-when Marc Silverman suggests that there's an easy way to do things and they don't have to be perfect. HA!

I (kinda) cried/got misty-eyed

-when Boone let Jack off the hook and Matthew Fox did that thing where he's whispering ("I'm sorry!") and his voice sounds so utterly desolate and helpless and vulnerable, my poor heart can't take it anymore. :thud:
-when Michael Giacchino unleashed "Life And Death" on my already bruised heart while an exhausted, defeated Jack trudges towards Shannon to give her the news, unable to partake in the joyous moment shared by the group.
-when he was kneeling down in the sand, about to collapse.

I gasped, even though I knew what was going to happen (wo/spoilers):

-when Jack turned out to be the groom. I don't know why the fact that he was once married shocked me so much, but it did.
-when Jack was going to cut off Boone's leg.
-when Aaron was born
-when Jack tells Sarah he couldn't write his vows (I'm pretty sure she had the same reaction)
-throughout the entire wedding reception scene. I just felt... incredibly uncomfortable for some reason.
-when Sun showed up with the sea urchin
-when Jack was pouring his blood into Boone

I squealed, gasped and did a little... embarrassing... erm... screaming into my pillow "omgwtf, Lost writers, are you TRYING to kill me???"...

-well, you already know when (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Do%20No%20Harm/1x20_DoNoHarm_010.jpg):in_love:

Next week on Lost: Best. Funeral. Ever. And some suicide bombers.

There was more, but the server ate my post. I'm sure I'll remember later.

Two things have always intrigued me. I was wondering if you guys could shed some ligth on them...

It wasn't until I came here and discussed The Jack Show with you that I started to doubt that Christian's advice to Jack was anything other than to marry Sarah. I rewatched that part at least five times now and I swear, the reaction shot of Christian after the bride and groom kiss now makes me believe he was just like me in the audience, hoping Jack would say No, or at least thinking "Well, he went ahead and did it anyway..." Am I crazy?

"I didn't fix you. You fixed me." I think I know where that came from and Erica had a very good observation about Sarah being aware of Jack's relationship with his father, but I want to know what you think. Why did Jack think he needed to be fixed?

Phew. Time to relax and reward myself with TSTID's lovely treat.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-17-2007, 02:13 AM

It wasn't until I came here and discussed The Jack Show with you that I started to doubt that Christian's advice to Jack was anything other than to marry Sarah. I rewatched that part at least five times now and I swear, the reaction shot of Christian after the bride and groom kiss now makes me believe he was just like me in the audience, hoping Jack would say No, or at least thinking "Well, he went ahead and did it anyway..." Am I crazy?

Christian knew it to be a mistake. It was clear in the response he gave to Jack's plaintive, tipsy, "Should I marry her, dad?" Unfortunately, Jack needs everything pertaining to matters of the heart spelled out and spoken VERY LOUDLY AND SLOWLY SO HE CAN UNDERSTAND. Christian doesn't do this. He obfuscates.

"I didn't fix you. You fixed me." I think I know where that came from and Erica had a very good observation about Sarah being aware of Jack's relationship with his father, but I want to know what you think. Why did Jack think he needed to be fixed?

Because Jack, as the humane loner, has the deep appreciation for human society and its comforts, but lacks the psychological makeup to really enjoy it when he's immersed in it. That appreciation and aversion conspire to make him a lonely guy who, unlike a lot of loners, know he's lonely and wish he wasn't. He thought Sarah was the person to end the loneliness. Boy was he wrong. And Christian knew it.

What I want to know is why Sarah and Christian are so close. Because I think the writers make it plain that they are.

And a big huzzah for Terry O'Quinn -- he should have at least a pair of Emmy bookends by now, but one, two years overdue, is better than none. His work is just consistently brilliant and he's one of the great joys of the show. So, bravo to him!

TSTID

lauradc1980

09-17-2007, 06:53 AM

Christian knew it to be a mistake. It was clear in the response he gave to Jack's plaintive, tipsy, "Should I marry her, dad?" Unfortunately, Jack needs everything pertaining to matters of the heart spelled out and spoken VERY LOUDLY AND SLOWLY SO HE CAN UNDERSTAND. Christian doesn't do this. He obfuscates.

:shesaid:

Christian has never been a good advisor, even if inside his head he have everything pretty clear. He knew his son's marriage would be a mistake, but he'd prefer it was Jack who realized about it than telling it to his son himself.

When they're sitting by the pool (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_donoharm529.jpg)(my fave moment in that episode), Christian asks his son if he loves her. When Jack replies 'Absolutely', Christian's reply is 'Then why are you sitting out here?'. To me this is the moment when Christian is trying to make Jack think (in hiw own, obscure way) if that is really whan he wants. First Christian asks Jack if he loves Sarah, and then, when Jack sounds so convinced in his reply ('Absolutely'), Christian asks another question, like tyring to prove his son wrong, or at least, trying to make him think about it.

Christian is clearly thinking it's going to be a mistake.

Jupiter63

09-17-2007, 09:43 AM

Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. I was referring to the scene in "Not in Portland" where Jack reveals to Tom that Juliet had a plan to have Ben killed.

TSTID
Thank you for the clarification! :) I can be slow sometimes.
Oh, the "neener neener" :42fight: scene. I was wondering what you meant too. Tom's like the fed-up hall monitor - "Enough!"

This description of that scene is just awesome. :biggrin: I actually love that scene (particularly the moment right at the beginning when Juliet orders them to kill K/S and Jack seems to panic for a second before he has to figure out what to do and then goes on the offensive- I love both thinking-on-his-feet Jack and Jack on the offensive), especially his reactions and re-evaluations of Juliet/the Others in it and ongoing into SIASL, then his subsequent sequence of decisions in that episode which I've always thought explained his decisions regarding Juliet from Left Behind on (non-shippy- I mean like his surprisingly- to me- apparently not being angry with her for keeping the raid a secret). Can you tell I have a bit of a conspiracy theorist mindset? It's been running out of control lately.

And that was an incredibly long sentence. If it's too incoherent, I'm very sorry. It's past bedtime.

Hey, Jupiter! Good to see you back. Well, his friends didn't trust him to not hurt an injured woman (at least Locke knows his boy :lol2:) and kept her a secret, afraid that Jack would try to... I don't even know what. Prevent them from getting rescued? He put their safety first because like you said, he's all about prioritizing.
Thanks so much for the welcome back! I'm sorry I just disappeared after the last time I posted. I was in a car wreck and recovery has been craziness. Yeah, I've never been able to understand what exactly they were afraid Jack was going to do to Naomi either. Um, tend to her wounds? I understood being suspicious of him, but I've never understood the drastic we can't trust him! mentality they all seemed to jump into. :rolleyes: His (or Juliet's in relation to his) actions just didn't warrant it for me.

I agree completely with TSTID and Lauradc1980 that Christian knew Jack's marriage was a mistake. I actually always found it surprising he didn't hint more strongly to Jack about it. He was very subtle and it was very obvious (to me anyway) that it would have been easy to talk Jack out of the marriage that night, particularly with Christian's proven manipulation skills. Maybe Christian already knew Sarah and didn't want to be the source of hurting her? Sarah must have spent a rather significant amount of time in the hospital recovering and he is a coward who doesn't like responsibility.

As for the fixing, I tend to think that Jack believes that he is inherently flawed and always needs to be fixed. Any improvement that he sees would be someone 'fixing' him. The fact that Sarah had laid the lines out there for him to repeat just made it all so easy to express when he needed to say something.

Claudia815

09-17-2007, 01:20 PM

Wait... you mean Terry O'Quinn doesn't already have an Emmy?!? Oh... wait... Emmy voters. :rolleyes: Congratulations to him and what can I say? If you're gonna own the stage, might as well do it in bright pink. :biggrin:

I guess I'm clueless like Jack because when I first watched Do No Harm I was confused for a while and then decided Christian's advice should never ever be considered when making any type of decision. I think part of it was that his bar scene with Sawyer was still fresh in my mind and he asks the same thing: "So what are you doing here?" We see that in Outlawas he praises his son's courage and admits he's a coward so I just jumped to conclusions and figured he was telling Jack to go for it if he's sure he really, ABSOLUTELY loves Sarah.

But that's why I have you guys. To get a clue.

When they're sitting by the pool (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_donoharm529.jpg)(my fave moment in that episode), Christian asks his son if he loves her. When Jack replies 'Absolutely', Christian's reply is 'Then why are you sitting out here?'. To me this is the moment when Christian is trying to make Jack think (in hiw own, obscure way) if that is really whan he wants. First Christian asks Jack if he loves Sarah, and then, when Jack sounds so convinced in his reply ('Absolutely'), Christian asks another question, like tyring to prove his son wrong, or at least, trying to make him think about it.

Christian is clearly thinking it's going to be a mistake.

In light of what we've been discussing about his lack of self-awareness, rewatching this scene was even more interesting because here's Jack angsting on the verge of the most important decision of his life up until then and he feels something's wrong, but feeling is a faculty he doesn't handle well. I think Sarah's wedding rehearsal speech contributed to it because it was written to make us and him uncomfortable and it all puts his need, to have his father there in a whole new light. I wish they'd kept that deleted scene where he's leaving Christian a message on his cellphone because it makes it even clearer how lost Jack is and how much he longs for someone to help him. At least Christian showed up this time.

That appreciation and aversion conspire to make him a lonely guy who, unlike a lot of loners, know he's lonely and wish he wasn't. He thought Sarah was the person to end the loneliness. Boy was he wrong. And Christian knew it.

My initial impression was that he finally felt it was OK to take a risk and just plunge into something as esoteric and convoluted and plain confusing for someone like him as love tends to be. That she was his miracle and it was finally OK for him to believe in miracles and believe that someone would love him.

What I want to know is why Sarah and Christian are so close. Because I think the writers make it plain that they are.

Erica made a good point about Sarah knowing about their tense relationship. I do believe that Jack loved her and he opened up to her more than ever before (which is part of the supposed fixing she did), but I wonder when she became Christian's confidante.

This description of that scene is just awesome. :biggrin: I actually love that scene (particularly the moment right at the beginning when Juliet orders them to kill K/S and Jack seems to panic for a second before he has to figure out what to do and then goes on the offensive- I love both thinking-on-his-feet Jack and Jack on the offensive), especially his reactions and re-evaluations of Juliet/the Others in it and ongoing into SIASL, then his subsequent sequence of decisions in that episode which I've always thought explained his decisions regarding Juliet from Left Behind on (non-shippy- I mean like his surprisingly- to me- apparently not being angry with her for keeping the raid a secret). Can you tell I have a bit of a conspiracy theorist mindset? It's been running out of control lately.

And that was an incredibly long sentence. If it's too incoherent, I'm very sorry. It's past bedtime.

Don't worry, we tend to ramble here but we love it. :biggrin: I don't think any of the intestine warmongering and powerstruggles among the Others were lost on Jack, it was obvious he was trying to work them against each other. In the end, he succeded. What do you think Sayid's chances were against Juliet? Even if he has it in him to torture yet another woman, something tells me this one wouldn't be so easy to break and it's obvious from her confrontation with Sayid and Sawyer that she had the upper hand because she knew where to strike and they were clueless. That wasn't the case with Jack and his approach worked.

Yeah, I've never been able to understand what exactly they were afraid Jack was going to do to Naomi either. Um, tend to her wounds? I understood being suspicious of him, but I've never understood the drastic we can't trust him! mentality they all seemed to jump into. :rolleyes: His (or Juliet's in relation to his) actions just didn't warrant it for me.

You mean Jack stealing Sun's shovel wasn't enough? :biggrin: While I can do some mental yoga and see where they were coming from (afraid of brainwashing and whatnot :rolleyes: ), there's one thing that simply does. not. make. sense. about the OOoooooh, we're scared Jack's evil scenario. Sun suspects Jack wants to steal her baby because he lived with the Others for a week and doesn't trust him because of Juliet. But she does trust Juliet enough to gamble it all and go with her into the jungle and nobody keeps an eye on Juliet and the pregnant lady. Right.

As for the fixing, I tend to think that Jack believes that he is inherently flawed and always needs to be fixed. Any improvement that he sees would be someone 'fixing' him.

Right, I think he was pretty amazed to realize someone loved him.

I'm glad you're recovering well and can come back to us. :hug:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-17-2007, 01:40 PM

:shesaid:

Christian has never been a good advisor, even if inside his head he have everything pretty clear. He knew his son's marriage would be a mistake, but he'd prefer it was Jack who realized about it than telling it to his son himself.

Christian's advice to Jack alternatives between soul-wasting emotional abuse to good solid advice that Jack would do well to listen to (re: giving hope, letting it go, and not marrying Sarah, etc.). I think he's not more clear with Jack because emotional detachment and not getting involved is Christian's lifestyle. Whatever happens happens, and it's all fate after all. Even if it's your kid and he's all but begging you to please God help him.

Christian asks his son if he loves her. When Jack replies 'Absolutely', Christian's reply is 'Then why are you sitting out here?'. To me this is the moment when Christian is trying to make Jack think (in hiw own, obscure way) if that is really whan he wants.

Right, and really, it's not all that obscure is it? It's pretty damned plain, or would be, if Jack wasn't so conditioned to avoid introspection like the plague. If my dad said that to me, I'd sure know what he meant.

Christian is clearly thinking it's going to be a mistake.

More than that, he's certain of it.

I love that poolside scene as well, because you really see how much Jack and Christian love one another, and there's almost a palpable sense of loss there because you already know how terribly it ends, and how unnecessary it all was. And that's something that can never be fixed.

:shesaid: Juliet knows where she stands too. Elizabeth Mitchell is too good of an actress to leave anything to the interpretation when she's listening to Kate recount the counting to 5 story in NIP.

Yes, that's why she made such aggressive play for him in front of Kate. A girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: Even if it's hopeless. Can't say that I blame her really.

TSTID

workingmom

09-18-2007, 12:06 AM

Christian has never been a good advisor, even if inside his head he have everything pretty clear. He knew his son's marriage would be a mistake, but he'd prefer it was Jack who realized about it than telling it to his son himself. Well, this is key. Both these statements are true -- we see almost back-to-back, in Outlaws to Sawyer, and here at poolside, that Christian's indirect yet very skewed advice should not be taken, but these guys are both so close to the edge they just needed Christian's nudge to go over it into an ill-advised, life altering action.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be right for Christian or any parent to just come out and say he thinks his offspring shouldn't marry this girl. It usually results in propelling said offspring even faster into the unsuitable's arms. I think Christian did sense that this marriage wasn't good for Jack -- or Sarah -- but lacked the way to express it.

When they're sitting by the pool (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_donoharm529.jpg)(my fave moment in that episode), Christian asks his son if he loves her. When Jack replies 'Absolutely', Christian's reply is 'Then why are you sitting out here?'. To me this is the moment when Christian is trying to make Jack think (in hiw own, obscure way) if that is really whan he wants. First Christian asks Jack if he loves Sarah, and then, when Jack sounds so convinced in his reply ('Absolutely'), Christian asks another question, like tyring to prove his son wrong, or at least, trying to make him think about it.

Christian is clearly thinking it's going to be a mistake.

So he awkwardly substituted "commitment is what makes you tick" as quite a non-commital answer. Right in line with Christian's mantra: don't decide, don't take a stand. To his credit, he did ask Jack if he loved Sarah.

"Absolutely." I've noticed that when any lost character emphasizes the word "absolutely", they don't believe it themself or they're trying to convince themself or someone else of it.
Like when Walt asked Michael if they would come back and rescue everyone else after the raft was found, Michael said "Absolutely" but then qualified it with his doubts that they could find the island again.

The other thing I love about the poolside picture you brought here, Laura, is how much a little-boy Jack is feeling, albeit lubricated by the half-bottle of vodka. He's got his pant legs in the water -- something he surely had gotten yelled at for by Margo as a boy -- aimlessly knocking his feet against the side. His insecurities come spilling out, and he looks up to his dad. After this scene, I really was expecting him to back out at the alter as he fumbled through his non-vows. But like it or not, commitment is what make Jack tick.

lauradc1980

09-18-2007, 05:31 AM

Right, and really, it's not all that obscure is it? It's pretty damned plain, or would be, if Jack wasn't so conditioned to avoid introspection like the plague. If my dad said that to me, I'd sure know what he meant.

The truth is that Christian's words by the pool seemed easier to understand and a lot more plain to me after rewatching the episode (Do Not Harm), but I'm not sure I'd understand the whole meaning of his words if now I didn't know the way Jack's marriage ends. What I'm trying to say is: yes, I can understand Christian and what he's trying to say to Jack, but I can only understand him when I see the outcome of the whole storyline.

If Jack had been happily married to Sarah for ever and ever (something that I don't think would have been possible, but still), then I'm not sure I'd interpret Christian's words as a warning, but more as an advice. It's really sad becuase I love the character, but to me Christian is always going to be obscure, and probably this is the reason his relationship with Jack is so appealing to me.

I do believe that Jack loved her [Sarah] and he opened up to her more than ever before (which is part of the supposed fixing she did), but I wonder when she became Christian's confidante.

I'm pretty sure this is a flashback that we're going to see soon. It's the missing piece in the whole Jack-Christian-Sarah puzzle (or one of the missing pieces), and I'm certainly looking forward to it.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be right for Christian or any parent to just come out and say he thinks his offspring shouldn't marry this girl. It usually results in propelling said offspring even faster into the unsuitable's arms. I think Christian did sense that this marriage wasn't good for Jack -- or Sarah -- but lacked the way to express it.

I agree. After all, it goes with Christian's nature to don't go and tell people what they don't want to hear. We already saw that in "Man of Science, Man of Faith", when Jack tells Sarah that "even the most optimistic result puts the likelihood of retaining any feeling or mobility anywhere below the waist extremely unlikely.". Right after Jack told that to Sarah, Christian calls his son and tells him that "Even if there's a 99 percent possibility that they're utterly, hopelessly screwed, folks are much more inclined to hear that 1 percent chance that things are going to be okay".

It wouldn't be different when it comes to his son's marriage. After all, and like workingmom already stated, it wouldn't be right for any parent to just come and say his son shouldn't marry that girl.

I hope I made some sense. I woke up this morning and found out that I ran out of coffee, and no caffeine = lost Laura.

Hufflepuff

09-18-2007, 09:21 AM

I still don´t know how to interpret what Christian meant but I don´t think he wanted Jack not to marry that girl. I suppose Christian wasn´t interested in the scandal his son canceling the marriage on the wedding day.

Claudia815

09-18-2007, 01:06 PM

I'm pretty sure this is a flashback that we're going to see soon. It's the missing piece in the whole Jack-Christian-Sarah puzzle (or one of the missing pieces), and I'm certainly looking forward to it.

Unless they do give Christian himself an episode, I don't expect to see any more Jack flashbacks, just flashforwards from now on. I'm more interested in his past between the rescue and 2007.

I joined the fandom at some point after The Hunting Party aired and my first post here at The Fuselage was in a poll thread where almost half the people who voted were convinced that Sarah cheated on Jack with Christian. I said I wouldn't put it past them and I wouldn't put it past the writers (they did give us Boone and Shannon after all), but I think it will remain a red herring. Jack's got some sort of closure from both of them. Sarah in ATOTC and Christian in Exodus. He'll find out something surprising about his dad anyway, but that's for when he meets his extended family on the island.

I know the way Christian talks about Sarah, especially in TFTR is a bit... creepy, but it doesn't surprise me that he was able to talk to her about Jack and become close enough to have her as his AA sponsor. We've seen him talk to complete strangers about his son before so it's in character. Sarah probably noticed how dysfunctional her new family was and maybe tried to act as a mediator.

Anybody getting the We Are Marshall DVDs today? I think I'll go after work tonight, but I don't know if I have time to rewatch the movie today, I'll probably just check the bonus features. shoegirl, let us know if we can freezeframe to see you. :biggrin:

hellybongo

09-18-2007, 04:03 PM

I personally would love to see more Christian - be it FB or FF. I absolutely love the way he interacts with other characters, Jack in particular. I mean even in Outlaws with Sawyer I found him captivating.

Anyhoo, I digress...I think there is still more to the Christian and Jack story and Clauds, I think you're right with the idea of Jack finally becoming aware of his extended family might be the way forward. Either way, let it begin. Gotta love Foxy working with Terry. Genius:biggrin:

Majandra

09-18-2007, 04:25 PM

Mhmm there's a lot of Christian lovin going on here... I wonder if there's a Christian group? I know, I know, as a mod I should know that but I'm just too tired right now to look it up.

Starrox

09-18-2007, 04:55 PM

Ah well, I don't have anything else to do right now, anyway... ;) (well, except for writing two term papers and watching "Outlaws", but hey...)

D.O.C.S. The Christian Shepherd Group (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=39155)

The John Terry Self-Embarrassment Society (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=15789)

lauradc1980

09-18-2007, 06:03 PM

Anybody getting the We Are Marshall DVDs today? I think I'll go after work tonight, but I don't know if I have time to rewatch the movie today, I'll probably just check the bonus features. shoegirl, let us know if we can freezeframe to see you. :biggrin:

I'm so jealous, we don't have it in Spain :sob:

I'll make sure to get it from some international site, though! I have to see Foxy in green!!! :biggrin:

Forever_Erica

09-19-2007, 02:01 AM

Hey my fellow Hussies. In honor of the DVD release of "We Are Marshall", I thought that since I have had the DVD for about four months now (lucky me ;)) I would share some things with you all. Okay, so ever since I could get my grubby hands on a few screencaps, I've been fawning over them. Okay, again, in honor of the DVD release, I thought that it would be fitting to commemorate some of my FAVORITE Red Dawson moments from the movie.

And AWAY we go!

1. Lets mourn together.... (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/mf005.jpg) - I absolutely fell apart during this scene. Matthew Fox just nails every emotional, angry, grief-stricken, celebratory scene that he's a part of. I was in the theaters when it first came out and when he broke down the first time, it was hard enough, but here, OMG....enough said.

2. Asking for help... (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/wam-highres20.jpg) - Okay, I love this scene because of Foxy and because of the speech that Jack (played by Matthew McConaughey) gives in order to inspire Red to help him to rebuild the Marshall football program. "One day, not today, not tomorrow, not this season, probably not next season either but one day, you and I are gonna wake up and suddenly we're gonna be like every other team in every other sport where winning is everything and nothing else matters. And when that day comes, well thats, thats when we'll honor them." A great monologue from a great scene.

3. "You're not the only one who's had it rough....!" (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/wam-highres12.jpg) - This scene is just....oh my goodness gracious. A very angry Red storms the field in order to dish out some tough love towards a disobedient player who is taking his aggression and anger out on his teammates. Red has had enough. He's seen the glory of the Marshall team and to have to stand there and rebulid everything that he's held dear and watch it all get shot to h*** just gets to him. This is him taking out some frustration of the fact that he can't sit there and watch this continue, watch that new squad dishonor those who have perished.

4. "We're not honoring them, Jack, we're disgracing them...." (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/wam-highres14.jpg) - Okay, this immediately follows the scene that I discussed in number three. Red is just done. He's tried to get that dream back, but the ghosts of the ones he once knew, the players and the coaches that he worked with, the people who went down with that aircraft, they are still there, on that field, in his mind and in his heart, and he's trying to find a way to let them go, but he can't. The pain in his face kills me everytime.

5. Anybody call for a lumberjack? (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/mf002.jpg) - Well, you get my drift here lol. I love that scene and you will too. Red is basically downing in guilt. He says that he made promises to the parents of those players who died, he promised that he'd look after them and he says that he didn't. In order to follow this, you have to know that Red was supposed to be on that plane with his fellow coaches and the team, but he gave his seat away to another coach and decided to stay behind. There's a lot of grief and sorrow there in that he was supposed to have been on that plane. How do you move on from that?

6. Pants...I like 'em tight and fit...Yummmmmm (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/marshall-stills02.jpg) - DO I really have to say anything about this picture? It speaks for itself. Boy, if only it were the '70s again.....

7. Who wears short-shorts? Red wears short-shorts... (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/wam3.jpg) - Okay, the STANCE is enough to make me want to harvest my eggs until he finally comes around, but the hand and arm action in this one just sets me on fire. Please, look AWAY at your own risk, because I tried and I can't do it.

If you haven't already gone out to your local entertainment capital, please do so and grab "We Are Marshall". It's a feel-good one, because of the message and because of one Matthew Fox! :biggrin:

Erica

Claudia815

09-19-2007, 10:13 AM

Erica... damn, woman! That wasn't an Art Class, that was a whole semester! :ntworthy: Now you've guilted me into rewatching the movie ASAP.

Anyhoo, I digress...I think there is still more to the Christian and Jack story and Clauds, I think you're right with the idea of Jack finally becoming aware of his extended family might be the way forward. Either way, let it begin. Gotta love Foxy working with Terry. Genius:biggrin:

Well... one way or the other, they HAVE to put a stop to all the Christian is alive craziness. (:p at Dany!) So we're bound to have more of him. I wouldn't mind it if when he finds out he has a sister, he also finds out Christian's frequent traveler miles weren't earned just by filandering around the world. Come on, writers! You're feeding the insanity for a reason. :biggrin: How freaky would it be to have some Dharma guy tell Jack: "Your father would be proud of you, Jack..."

ETA: helly, you've been holding out on us. I know for a fact you made a very cool new video. Lemme have it! :biggrin:

1DocLover

09-19-2007, 06:23 PM

HOLY CRAP!!! YOU GUYS ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!! GUESS WHO I JUST HUNG UP THE PHONE WITH????

DAMON AND CARLETON!!! I SUBMITTED THREE QUESTIONS AND THEY FREAKIN' CALLED ME AND TALKED TO ME FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES!! (For the Podcast)

YOU GUYS....I AM FREAKING OUT RIGHT NOW!! SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPS, BUT I AM SHAKING AND SO DAMN EXCITED.

THEY WERE SO FUNNY AND SO NICE AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW WHAT I ASKED AND WHAT THEY SAID TO ME....JUST LET ME KNOW.

This is the most unbelievable thing that has happened to me in such a long time!!! I am freaking out in the most unbelievable way. It was a great conversation and you guys are going to die!!!

Just let me stop shaking and PM me if you want or ask me on here!!!

OH MY GOD!!!!!!

Take care,

Doc

iorwen

09-19-2007, 06:44 PM

hehe, when you stop hyperventalating, I'd love to know what was said between you three.

1DocLover

09-19-2007, 07:16 PM

iorwen, check your PM

Doc

iorwen

09-19-2007, 07:28 PM

iorwen, check your PM

Doc

I appreciate so much, thanks. I replied with a question when you have time.

xoxox

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-19-2007, 07:48 PM

Tell us all about it, please!

And congrats! It couldn't have happened to a more worthy Hussy! :biggrin:

TSTID

1DocLover

09-19-2007, 08:16 PM

Tell us all about it, please!

And congrats! It couldn't have happened to a more worthy Hussy! :biggrin:

TSTID

TSTID - check your PM. I don't know if I'm allowed to post the whole thing out here.

It was AMAZING!!

Doc

Beir

09-19-2007, 08:35 PM

Congrats 1DocLover! I came across the page today but never really believed it. I figured they'd be too busy to call people. Can you say if it's good or bad?

1DocLover

09-19-2007, 09:02 PM

Congrats 1DocLover! I came across the page today but never really believed it. I figured they'd be too busy to call people. Can you say if it's good or bad?

Beir,

check your PM :biggrin:

Doc

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-20-2007, 02:15 AM

Thanks for the recap, Doc. You're probably right, posting it outright is probably a no no before the actual podcast! Thanks for sharing!

Helen_

09-20-2007, 02:39 AM

hellybongo

09-20-2007, 03:41 AM

Wow Doc. I'm hoping you've calmed down now - lucky you :biggrin:

Claudia815

09-20-2007, 09:41 AM

Helen, welcome back! :hug:

Hey, Beir! Nice to see you here! I slacked off on the rewind (again), but there's some episodes of The Jack Show I'll review here and then I promise to get back on track. You can join us here in the meantime. :biggrin:

Congrats 1DocLover! I came across the page today but never really believed it. I figured they'd be too busy to call people. Can you say if it's good or bad?

Hey, it's about Jack, it can't be anything but good. We're not going to discuss anything here though because I suppose technically it's a spoiler, even though it's nothing terribly specific, simply a confirmation of some of our theories about Jack. Right? The podcast will probably have its own thread in the spoiler section so we'll strive to be good.

Congrats, Daphne, we're very proud to see that out of the hundreds of questions pouring in, one of our very own foxhussies was selected to participate on the podcast, you fandom celebrity you! :biggrin: Watch the theorists trying to decipher the meaning behind a new character's pretty name and coming up with a thousand ways to explain it when in fact we'll know they named her after you just because they like it. :lol2:

they wanted to know what's talked about on the Fuse for the most part.

Please tell me you lied and told them we're deeply consummed with matters of spiritual fulfillment and searching for the truth behind Lost's greatest questions. And Christian. Did you tell them the fandom at large obsesses about him? They already know I guess.

I mean... if they ever decide to pay us a visit, we need to mop off the drool, but I think we can pull it off. :angelnot:

Speaking of :drool:... Here's some set (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/AnaandJackonset2005-2_edited.jpg)/photos (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/Jackonset2005_edited.jpg) from season two (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/AnaandJackonset2005_edited.jpg). Like I needed any more reasons to rewatch The Hunting Party... (You can find the originals at Lost Media)

yas_m

09-20-2007, 10:08 AM

Speaking of :drool:... Here's some set (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/AnaandJackonset2005-2_edited.jpg)/photos (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/Jackonset2005_edited.jpg) from season two (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/AnaandJackonset2005_edited.jpg). Like I needed any more reasons to rewatch The Hunting Party... (You can find the originals at Lost Media)

*drool* thanks for the afternoon delight ;) and not trying to be picky or pikki but methinks these are from WKD but of course feel free to rewatch THP

and Daphne!! That's just incredible news!! I can't imagine how exciting that must have been. Our very own hussy chatting with Darlton. Brilliant! Can't wait for the podcast tomorrow :biggrin:

workingmom

09-20-2007, 10:29 AM

I mean... if they ever decide to pay us a visit, we need to mop off the drool, but I think we can pull it off. :angelnot: I'll bring in the fire hose. :fireman:

Speaking of :drool:... Here's some set (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/AnaandJackonset2005-2_edited.jpg)/photos (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/Jackonset2005_edited.jpg) from season two (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/AnaandJackonset2005_edited.jpg). Like I needed any more reasons to rewatch The Hunting Party... (You can find the originals at Lost Media) Since it's early, we'll give you a pass on that - yasy's right, it's from the end of WKD (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x09-kate/10/normal_kate-cap976.jpg)with the "tell me all women in the world aren't crazy" conversation. But we know you've still got Jack's back. ;)

Daphne, that's so exciting! I know you represented us well. I cannot wait to hear the podcast.

Claudia815

09-20-2007, 10:34 AM

Since it's early, we'll give you a pass on that - yasy's right, it's from the end of WKD (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x09-kate/10/normal_kate-cap976.jpg).

Yeah, but I don't like that episode and the "key mojo" action in THP is much more to my liking. :biggrin:

Sheesh. A hussy's got to watch her step around here. :42fight: It's OK, I like that we're keeping each other on our toes.

workingmom

09-20-2007, 01:22 PM

Going back into Rewind mode for a moment....

Do No Harm again, and the ill-advised wedding: The writers have said before that the flashbacks reflect in some way on what the character is going thru at that time on the island. Jack is about to amputate Boone’s leg and it flashbacks to Sarah and Jack saying their vows. Then it cuts back from Jack’s face after the wedding kiss, to Jack’s face (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-364-699.html) as he’s about to pull down the door edge to sever Boone’s leg. Boone says “Wait.” And tells him not to. In my mind someone should have said “Wait!” at the critical moment at Jack and Sarah’s wedding. (If I was there, I would've after hearing her speech at the rehearsal dinner - from “You fixed me” to “I will dance at our wedding” to “to my hero, Jack.” A walking Barbie doll.)

Say what you will about the Season of Romance that was S3, but I still think the most tender moment between two characters so far was when Boone said, "Let me go, Jack." (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm727.jpg)So much (platonic) emotion (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm728.jpg)passed between them - regret, forgiveness, compassion, finality.

banshee

09-20-2007, 02:19 PM

Hey Denizens :)

Long time no see :redface: So sorry to disappear for such long periods. :frown: It's been quite the challenging year, particularly during this summer. I hope now though to be able to post more often & contribute something to this fine establishment. Not to mention I look forward to being back with the FOX clan & getting to know our new members.

Speaking of which, Claud was kind enough to fill me in on the people who have patiently been awaiting their Den numbers as requested ..So a grand official :Welcome: for F.O.X(s);

241 mysticxf
242 tattiff
243 mfoxfan
244 Lost with Jack
245 aliaskate18
246 suzzzette
247 ozge
248 Jupiter63
249 Forever_Erica
250 --thefox--
251 Hildy
252 Lauradc1980
253 tiewashere
254 redmaria
255 Queenlizzie 13
256 sawyers_sweetness
257 freckles_tr
258 chick

I hope you enjoy posting with us and feel at home :) And if there's any corrections just let me know.

Scully you are listed as F.O.X #188

I'd also like to send a shout out to StickMang, SamG, Juniebun, ADoseOfYou & any lurkers. Please feel welcome to join us if you like.

Doc that's unreal that you got to speak with Damon & Carlton. Congrats! By the sounds of it you did a great job. :punk: Thanks for sharing the experience with us & I can't wait to hear it on the podcast :)

I am so incredibly intellectually & analytically rusty right now (lol) to be tossing my hat into the ring with you Jack scholars on the rewind. Which btw, phenomenal posts when I've had a chance to peak in & props to Claud for MCing the event.

That said I'll give one her q's a go. Just allot a little leeway for my neuronal synapses to reconvene :p

It wasn't until I came here and discussed The Jack Show with you that I started to doubt that Christian's advice to Jack was anything other than to marry Sarah. I rewatched that part at least five times now and I swear, the reaction shot of Christian after the bride and groom kiss now makes me believe he was just like me in the audience, hoping Jack would say No, or at least thinking "Well, he went ahead and did it anyway..." Am I crazy?Hmmm..the wonderfully complex and multi-facted dynamic of the Jack/Christian relationship.

I do think he wanted Jack to marry to Sarah....

On the most basic level, I feel Christian loved Jack and truly believed he was doing what was best for his son regardless of how misguided that love was sometimes...He was cognizant of Jack's "weaknesses" in wanting to follow his heart and act on impulse. As well as the fact that commitment and strong moralistic code were his characteristic Achilles heels that could effectively reign his impulses in. So I think he steered Jack in the direction of anything that would give him structure and require him to play by the rules so to speak, including marriage.

There's also the angle, imo, of Christian viewing Jack as his egotistical credential. As per the themes prevalent in Dostoevsky's Brothers Karamazov (hinted at in an ep)-the sins of the father are revisited upon the son. Therefore the son holds the potential for the father's redemption. So maybe Christian wanted Jack to marry Sarah in subconscious compensation for feeling as though he failed as a husband in addition to a father and a man.

I'm seriously sleep deprived so have to catch some z's, but will delve in more later.

As an aside to our resident Jaters I plan on stopping by the JC then too. :kiss:

Good to see everyone. I missed ya :hug:

cheers-
bansh

yas_m

09-20-2007, 02:39 PM

BANSH!! *pounce* :hug: so good to see you back hon!

banshee

09-20-2007, 03:11 PM

BANSH!! *pounce* :hug: so good to see you back hon!*runs and leaps on yas* Thanks babes :)

Majandra

09-20-2007, 03:19 PM

You were dearly missed here and at the JC, bansh! Glad to see you back! :hug:

Just A Button

09-20-2007, 03:21 PM

:13: :13: :13: is that a Banshee I see there? :hug: we missed ya. welcome back :flower:

Helen_

09-20-2007, 03:32 PM

Banshee, heey!!Jaters miss you desperately!:smile: I enjoy lurking here and finally decided to ask for an official Den number, please:redface:

yas_m

09-20-2007, 04:22 PM

Yeah, but I don't like that episode and the "key mojo" action in THP is much more to my liking. :biggrin:

Sheesh. A hussy's got to watch her step around here. :42fight: It's OK, I like that we're keeping each other on our toes.

pffft! You know we only do it because we love you :p and you might say you don't like WKD, but I know for a fact that there is some schnozz action you are especially fond of :biggrin:

*runs and leaps on yas* Thanks babes :)

*thud* ;) now, if there was only a way we could get that Jinxy back....

Franci

09-20-2007, 04:50 PM

Just....seen..L'Oreal...c.... c..... commercial....tv.....gh.... :thud: *iz ded*

Bansh!!!! *smack* :kiss: lol! we miss you here babe! :heart:

lauradc1980

09-20-2007, 05:41 PM

First of all and before I forget:

Congrats 1DocLover!!! :hug: We don't really know each other yet, but I'm happy for you all the same!

Speaking of :drool:... Here's some set (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/AnaandJackonset2005-2_edited.jpg)/ photos (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/Jackonset2005_edited.jpg) from season two (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/SGA/AnaandJackonset2005_edited.jpg). Like I needed any more reasons to rewatch The Hunting Party... (You can find the originals at Lost Media)

*Drools*

I always love the moment when the camera catches him off-guard, he's so.... *speechless*

By the way, was he thinnier in Season 2 than he is now, or it's just me?

Speaking of which, Claud was kind enough to fill me in on the people who havepatiently been awaiting their Den numbers as requested ..So a grand official :Welcome: for F.O.X(s);

Thanks for the welcome!!!!!

I'm so happy!!! it's official, I've got a F.O.X. number!!!!!!!!!! :14happy:

Majandra

09-20-2007, 05:59 PM

Okay, just a little FYI for all the Christian lovers....

I discussed this with Karri and we think if you want to post more about Christian/ John Terry in debth you can start a new group since the 2 old ones haven't been posted in for months.

Anyone interested?

Claudia815

09-20-2007, 06:05 PM

Thanks Majandra. I only speak for myself, obviously, but I think I'm fine with the Bad Daddy talk here because we'll get to him periodically as we hit Jack-centric episodes on the rewind, but the rest of the time it's just business as usual.

I am so incredibly intellectually & analytically rusty right now (lol) to be tossing my hat into the ring with you Jack scholars on the rewind. Which btw, phenomenal posts when I've had a chance to peak in & props to Claud for MCing the event.

Don't worry, Bansh, you're fine. Good to have you back and... Hee. I'm an MC now? :punk:

Franci, wake up girl! :biggrin:

mom, I was going to get to your DNH rewind and talk more about Boone's death compared to the Marshal and Libby and how Jack reacts to deaths in general, but I'm really, really late and I need to get going. But there's always another day/night.

georgiapeach81

09-20-2007, 07:21 PM

Welcome back, Bansh! :hug:

1DocLover

09-21-2007, 08:05 AM

Just in case you didn't know it yet, the podcast is up!!:grin:

Enjoy!

Daphne

lauradc1980

09-21-2007, 09:16 AM

Just in case you didn't know it yet, the podcast is up!!:grin:

Enjoy!

Daphne

I'm listening at it at the moment, and I have to say it: I love your voice! I won't comment anything in here yet because I don't want to spoil it for the people that still have to listen it, but I'm really enjoying it!

Thanks!

Claudia815

09-21-2007, 09:27 AM

I'm listening to you right now. :biggrin: You sound so young and you have a cute laugh.

You've made hussies proud by clearly getting the message out there. Anywhere, anytime, baby! :ntworthy:

1DocLover

09-21-2007, 09:34 AM

Claudia,

I'm basically still in shock.:eek2: I'm just glad that it came off alright and I didn't sound like too much of an airhead. I kept laughing because I could not believe that I was actually on the phone with those two amazing men! I think they were pretty funny too.:biggrin:

And bearded-Jack??? Fine with me!!!

100%
I'm listening at it at the moment, and I have to say it: I love your voice! I won't comment anything in here yet because I don't want to spoil it for the people that still have to listen it, but I'm really enjoying it!

Thanks!

Thanks laura! :biggrin:

They edited out some stuff, but it's pretty much the whole conversation. I love those guys!

Take Care,

Doc

Beir

09-21-2007, 10:37 AM

Just heard the Podcast Doc!!! Claudia is right...you do have a cute laugh. I'm not saying anything bad about the rest of the calls, but i think you handled yourself the best out of the 3 calls. Great job!

georgiapeach81

09-21-2007, 12:01 PM

Listening to the podcast, Daphne, you sound great! :)

Helen_

09-21-2007, 12:21 PM

Daphne, I'm listening to the podcast right now too and I just have to say, your voice is so nice!:smile: Seriously! Congratulations on being on the official podcast btw, pretty cool!:)

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-21-2007, 01:31 PM

Claudia815

09-21-2007, 01:52 PM

Man, I am so far behind on this. On the viewing side, I'm up to "Dave." On the rewind part, I'm stuck on "Hearts and Minds."

You can skip episodes, you know. Come on, I'm dying to see you get to all the Schnozz action in Deus Ex Machina and thereabout.

Yup. I was yelling at the screen for him to keep away from her when she snarked at him for not smelling like a rose after doing a Tour d' Stad and then running in to check on her sorry self.

...and showering first. Very considerate of him. I must confess that the snark is one of the few things I enjoy about Sarah.

I was yelling for him to run far, far away during the wedding reception.

mom, you're right, that's a great transition and I was indeed thinking Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait don't marry her!!! :biggrin:

Helen, you did great with the Jack Show Awards earlier this year so I guess we thought you were already on the list. You'll get an official welcome anyway. :hug:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-21-2007, 02:04 PM

You can skip episodes, you know.

No way. The ecstacy we achieve when engaging in discussions about episodes like ATBCHDI and Do No Harm, and the other greats, is only intensified by the weight we have carried up the mountain with us. Weights like Hearts and Minds, and anything Charlie-centric.

The way to Hussy Nirvana can be a strange and difficult one. If I must walk it alone, stuck on Fire + Water even as you rave on about Through the Looking Glass for the 15th time, then so be it.

TSTID

hellybongo

09-21-2007, 03:15 PM

Okay - bit out of the loop here. What epi is everyone on in the rewind?

I. Am. Tired. Thus I need something to watch to help me to relax...(like watching the good Dr is gonna help)

iorwen

09-21-2007, 10:12 PM

Helly, you know watching Jack won' t relax you, it will just get you all fired up, hot and bothered and how can you sleep after hours of that hotness on your screen?

freckles_shephard

09-22-2007, 05:09 AM

Cool, but I have to say that I've been enjoying Foxy as a red-headed Red Dawson for quite some time now lol. The DVD came out (in Kansas, where I'm from) in JUNE :eek2:. I personally think that there was a mixup with shipping or something and I walked into the store and there it was...and I grabbed it and paid for it before I woke up lol, but it was real.

So I've been ogling Foxy in that Marshall green for awhile now! I'm glad that everyone can join on in the fun with me!

Erica

Lucky girl;) :biggrin:

Hey my fellow Hussies. In honor of the DVD release of "We Are Marshall", I thought that since I have had the DVD for about four months now (lucky me ) I would share some things with you all. Okay, so ever since I could get my grubby hands on a few screencaps, I've been fawning over them. Okay, again, in honor of the DVD release, I thought that it would be fitting to commemorate some of my FAVORITE Red Dawson moments from the movie.

And AWAY we go!

1. Lets mourn together.... (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/mf005.jpg) - I absolutely fell apart during this scene. Matthew Fox just nails every emotional, angry, grief-stricken, celebratory scene that he's a part of. I was in the theaters when it first came out and when he broke down the first time, it was hard enough, but here, OMG....enough said.

2. Asking for help... (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/wam-highres20.jpg) - Okay, I love this scene because of Foxy and because of the speech that Jack (played by Matthew McConaughey) gives in order to inspire Red to help him to rebuild the Marshall football program. "One day, not today, not tomorrow, not this season, probably not next season either but one day, you and I are gonna wake up and suddenly we're gonna be like every other team in every other sport where winning is everything and nothing else matters. And when that day comes, well thats, thats when we'll honor them." A great monologue from a great scene.

3. "You're not the only one who's had it rough....!" (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/wam-highres12.jpg) - This scene is just....oh my goodness gracious. A very angry Red storms the field in order to dish out some tough love towards a disobedient player who is taking his aggression and anger out on his teammates. Red has had enough. He's seen the glory of the Marshall team and to have to stand there and rebulid everything that he's held dear and watch it all get shot to h*** just gets to him. This is him taking out some frustration of the fact that he can't sit there and watch this continue, watch that new squad dishonor those who have perished.

4. "We're not honoring them, Jack, we're disgracing them...." (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/wam-highres14.jpg) - Okay, this immediately follows the scene that I discussed in number three. Red is just done. He's tried to get that dream back, but the ghosts of the ones he once knew, the players and the coaches that he worked with, the people who went down with that aircraft, they are still there, on that field, in his mind and in his heart, and he's trying to find a way to let them go, but he can't. The pain in his face kills me everytime.

5. Anybody call for a lumberjack? (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/mf002.jpg) - Well, you get my drift here lol. I love that scene and you will too. Red is basically downing in guilt. He says that he made promises to the parents of those players who died, he promised that he'd look after them and he says that he didn't. In order to follow this, you have to know that Red was supposed to be on that plane with his fellow coaches and the team, but he gave his seat away to another coach and decided to stay behind. There's a lot of grief and sorrow there in that he was supposed to have been on that plane. How do you move on from that?

6. Pants...I like 'em tight and fit...Yummmmmm (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/marshall-stills02.jpg) - DO I really have to say anything about this picture? It speaks for itself. Boy, if only it were the '70s again.....

7. Who wears short-shorts? Red wears short-shorts... (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/wam3.jpg) - Okay, the STANCE is enough to make me want to harvest my eggs until he finally comes around, but the hand and arm action in this one just sets me on fire. Please, look AWAY at your own risk, because I tried and I can't do it.

If you haven't already gone out to your local entertainment capital, please do so and grab "We Are Marshall". It's a feel-good one, because of the message and because of one Matthew Fox!

Erica

Thanks Erica,Great post, cant ait to see the movie. I pre ordered the dvd but it's only scheduled for release sometime in October now:frown:

HOLY CRAP!!! YOU GUYS ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!! GUESS WHO I JUST HUNG UP THE PHONE WITH????

DAMON AND CARLETON!!! I SUBMITTED THREE QUESTIONS AND THEY FREAKIN' CALLED ME AND TALKED TO ME FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES!! (For the Podcast)

YOU GUYS....I AM FREAKING OUT RIGHT NOW!! SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPS, BUT I AM SHAKING AND SO DAMN EXCITED.

THEY WERE SO FUNNY AND SO NICE AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW WHAT I ASKED AND WHAT THEY SAID TO ME....JUST LET ME KNOW.

This is the most unbelievable thing that has happened to me in such a long time!!! I am freaking out in the most unbelievable way. It was a great conversation and you guys are going to die!!!

Just let me stop shaking and PM me if you want or ask me on here!!!

OH MY GOD!!!!!!

Take care,

Doc

That's just so cool,:biggrin: I'm busy downloading it, will pm you when I've listened to it.

Hey Denizens :)

Long time no see So sorry to disappear for such long periods. :frown: It's been quite the challenging year, particularly during this summer. I hope now though to be able to post more often & contribute something to this fine establishment. Not to mention I look forward to being back with the FOX clan & getting to know our new members.

Good to see everyone. I missed ya :hug:

cheers-
bansh

:hug: banshee good to see you here again.

Just....seen..L'Oreal...c.... c..... commercial....tv.....gh.... :thud: *iz ded*

Bansh!!!! *smack* :kiss: lol! we miss you here babe! :heart:

I know the feeling:thud: I've seen it a few times and each time I stop breathing for a few seconds:drool:

Claudia815

09-22-2007, 12:20 PM

Helly, sweets, you can rewatch anything you want, you know he'll always improve your mood. This week we've been discussing Do No Harm so if you find time, let us know what the episode does to your heart knowing what you know now.

Thanks Erica,Great post, cant ait to see the movie. I pre ordered the dvd but it's only scheduled for release sometime in October now:frown:

That's not too far away, is it? Speaking of which, I read in another thread that the first to get the s3 DVDs will be the Norwegians in just a couple of weeks! :eek2: I can't wait to see deleted scenes for ATOTC, they cut so much out of that episode.

I had a funny weekend treat for you guys, but I lost the link. Grrr. I'll go try to find it.

workingmom

09-22-2007, 01:20 PM

I had a funny weekend treat for you guys, but I lost the link. Grrr. I'll go try to find it.

This is it (http://lost1976.ytmnd.com/), isn't it? ;) Us longer-in-the-tooth hussies can assure you, 70's TV was as bad as it looks. Quinn Martin forever!

Just A Button

09-22-2007, 03:22 PM

This is it (http://lost1976.ytmnd.com/), isn't it? ;) Us longer-in-the-tooth hussies can assure you, 70's TV was as bad as it looks. Quinn Martin forever! :eek1: I don't have a problem with most of the choices, but David Hasselhoff as Sawyer!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :shock:

lauradc1980

09-22-2007, 05:34 PM

I just wanted to share:

I finally have 'We're Marshall' in my hands, and I'll check it tomorrow!! (It's too late already in here to watch it with all the attention it deserves). I'll share my impressions when I've enjoyed it! :happy_bounce:

Steph

09-22-2007, 05:49 PM

Hey guys, I don't normally post here but i do lurk and i am a shameful fox-fan-girl - but i was wondering if anyone has any clips - legal that is- of we are marshell - cos it wasn't released in the uk :( either that or was in a coma for a while because i tend to notice whenever foxy's even mentioned in a film....

If you've seen "knocked up" i got very very excited because she said she was going to interview him - but then it skipped to "2 months later" :( *le sigh*

Claudia815

09-22-2007, 09:28 PM

Steph, have you tried youtube? I could swear I saw one of the scene where Red Dawson quits somewhere, but I don't remember where. And don't lurk, you're missing out on all the fun. :biggrin:

I'm rewatching WAM right now.

This is it (http://lost1976.ytmnd.com/), isn't it? ;) Us longer-in-the-tooth hussies can assure you, 70's TV was as bad as it looks. Quinn Martin forever!

Yes, merci, maman! Personally, I think Burt Reynolds is a great choice, almost as good as the clip they use of Burt blowing :censored: up as Jack. It's a 1976 version of Greatest Hits, though I wish he'd cast Danielle too. ;) I always fall for the Linda Carter/Veronica Hamel resemblance, I did a doubletake when I first watched it... No, Jack's mother was not Wonderwoman in the 70s, but she was gorgeous.

Daphne, since you've represented us hussies so well in your interview with the creators of The Jack Show and you never once wavered in reafirming just how easy we are when it comes to our tv boyfriend, Lovey and I thought you deserve a little token of appreciation. She's working on it, I just do the talking. :kisss:

1DocLover

09-22-2007, 10:13 PM

Claudia,

Let me know when it's ready! I appreciate that so much!! It's getting kind of late here so if you put it up tonight I might not get it until tomorrow. But thank you both so very very much!!

I will listen to it as soon as it's ready, just let me know or PM me when it's ready. You guys are great!

Thank you again.

Take care,

Daphne

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-22-2007, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Forever_Erica
Hey my fellow Hussies. In honor of the DVD release of "We Are Marshall", I thought that since I have had the DVD for about four months now (lucky me ) I would share some things with you all. Okay, so ever since I could get my grubby hands on a few screencaps, I've been fawning over them. Okay, again, in honor of the DVD release, I thought that it would be fitting to commemorate some of my FAVORITE Red Dawson moments from the movie.

All superb choices. I really liked the movie, and I loved Foxy in it. He was wonderful. Red's little story within the story -- his journey with grief -- is not just heartbreaking but exactly right -- the shock, the anger, the tentative moving on with life, and then the crushing resurgence of grief and guilt at having done so, and everything...it's all so terribly right. I thought Foxy was terrific at the time, but since losing my dad, I've got a different perspective on grief than I did when I watched it in the theatre, and I can see that that performance is spot on in ways that I did not realize at the time I saw it. I think that the entire movie is quite strong and very honest on the subject.

I seem to be stuck in italics. So just pretend your in my head, hearing an interior monologue. :biggrin:

TSTID

Lovey

09-23-2007, 01:35 AM

Okay DocLover...
You did such a fantastic job representing Jaters and Hussies alike on the podcast and with the writers...That Claudia and I made you your very own trophy.

ENJOY! (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/Icons/JackCarBar.gif) ;)

:kiss: Lovey

1DocLover

09-23-2007, 08:49 AM

Starrox

09-23-2007, 10:30 AM

I seem to be stuck in italics. So just pretend your in my head, hearing an interior monologue. :biggrin:

Yeah, you have some additional tags in there! Now I could simply delete those tags, of course, but since that would make it seem as if you were imagining it, I guess I shouldn't do it... :grin:

Claudia815

09-23-2007, 01:32 PM

Lovey and Claudia,

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I love it! :grin: I am going to use that for my avi as soon as I figure out how in the world to put one up there.:redface:

I really do appreciate that. Thank you both so very much!!:biggrin:

Take Care,

Daphne

You're welcome, darling. You're worth it. :biggrin: Lovey did all the work, I can't take credit. To upload it, go to your User CP up there under your name. You'll see an Edit Avatar option in the upper left-hand corner. Save the avi on your computer, browse and upload it and voila. It's very fitting that it should be your very first avatar here.

I'm rewatching The Greater Good for the rewind. I feel bad for laughing at a funeral, but I can't help it if I keep hearing Hurley's voice in my head to Locke: "Duuuude... You got some... Boone on your shirt!"

freckles_shephard

09-23-2007, 01:40 PM

This is it (http://lost1976.ytmnd.com/), isn't it? ;) Us longer-in-the-tooth hussies can assure you, 70's TV was as bad as it looks. Quinn Martin forever!

LOL Thanks mom

:eek1: I don't have a problem with most of the choices, but David Hasselhoff as Sawyer!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :shock:

:shesaid: :eek2: yikes
100%

I'm rewatching The Greater Good for the rewind. I feel bad for laughing at a funeral, but I can't help it if I keep hearing Hurley's voice in my head to Locke: "Duuuude... You got some... Boone on your shirt!"

LOL and then there's this funny picture of Evie doing some funny dance (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=44182&fullsize=1).

Majandra

09-23-2007, 02:46 PM

I'm rewatching The Greater Good for the rewind. I feel bad for laughing at a funeral, but I can't help it if I keep hearing Hurley's voice in my head to Locke: "Duuuude... You got some... Boone on your shirt!"

A lot of Boone actually. I was so outraged about it... especially when he went to Shannon to talk to her. I remember screaming at the screen "do you not have ANY decency left in your body?" There he is, still soaked with the blood of the man he's let cold-hearted to his death and then abandoned him because he cared more about what the island wants than the life of a man who trusted him, looked up to him and followed him blindly. :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

I was so with our man Jack there with wanting to punch Locke :censored: Just that at this point I was so disappointed with Jack because he had let Boone die.... but I still cheered for him for punching Locke. :biggrin:

shoegirl

09-23-2007, 04:49 PM

You're welcome, darling. You're worth it. :biggrin: Lovey did all the work, I can't take credit. To upload it, go to your User CP up there under your name. You'll see an Edit Avatar option in the upper left-hand corner. Save the avi on your computer, browse and upload it and voila. It's very fitting that it should be your very first avatar here.

I'm rewatching The Greater Good for the rewind. I feel bad for laughing at a funeral, but I can't help it if I keep hearing Hurley's voice in my head to Locke: "Duuuude... You got some... Boone on your shirt!"

Foxhussy Extraordinaire!

What rewind eppy are we going to be on this week?

I choose Dr. DyNOmite! (Yes, J.J. I said dynomite)

shoe

Claudia815

09-23-2007, 08:57 PM

What rewind eppy are we going to be on this week?

The Jack Show Rewind: The Greater Good--The One With Hurricane Jack, The Sleep Deprived Shephards (All Three Of Them) And A Lot Of Sayid Pwning Locke.

Previously on The Jack Show: the planet's supply of Pretty is tragically diminished by Boone's death and Jack marries a massive, sucking black hole of attention and self-centerdness that's not Kate.

KATE: People are scared and upset. They don't know what's going on. We need you to come back, Jack. Please.

Jack is running around the jungle (nothing more than a criminally unkempt green TM TSTID) in circles again, looking all Goth but determined to beat the living daylights out of Locke. I don't think he would have killed him anymore than he killed Ben in TTLG, but the intent was clearly there. Kate persuades him otherwise the same way Sayid does in this season's finale. People need him in a crisis, need the reassurance he usually brings when he stands in front of them and tells them everything's going to be OK.

But Jack's too tired and dehydrated and crushed by grief to keep himself together for everyone's sake, though he tries. Locke showing up with lots of Boone all over him and talking about heroism as if that's supposed to be of some comfort was the last straw, IMO.

Enter Hurricane Jack (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-382-149.html). Ben will experience the same type of burning rage in just a few weeks, but there won't be anybody to pull him out of Jack's way and he'll take an extra ounce of abuse from tropical storm Danielle. :lol2:

(One thing I noticed about the scene now: awwwwwr... Sawyer's so worried about his pookie. You Naughty Nurse you!)

It's interesting to look at the two episodes now and think back at how Jack reacts to death and losing people. He's not given much of a reprieve to grieve after his father's death and when he finally breaks down in WR, he doesn't get much closure. He takes it out on his father's empty coffin. When he thinks Ben had Sayid, Jin and Bernard killed, he kicks Ben's derriere in those gut-wrenching ten minutes when Matthew Fox scares me a little. But in a good way. The difference is in the way he reacts after he's cooled down a bit. For all his talk of killing Ben, in TTLG can keep it together and focus on the task at hand. Like we've discussed before, he's grown into his skin as a leader.

There's something else very familiar about Boone's death: the way Locke dumped a patient in Jack's arms, gave incomplete information and took off reminds me of Christian and the patient in ATBCHDI.

I think Jack wouldn't have killed Locke, but he wouldn't have been terribly heartbroken if Shannon hadn't missed. I actually paid attention this time because it's another Favorite Reason To Hate Jack, and Jack does stand there for a couple of seconds before Locke moves and even we, the non-Ivy League educated physicians, figure out he'll make it and doesn't need a lot of patching up.

Last but not least, I love how Jack, Claire and Aaron all refuse to sleep (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-382-366.html)in this episode and half the camp spares no efforts to put them to bed and get some peace and quiet. :lol2: I'm fine, dammit! (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-382-209.html) is probably the family motto.

Christian's so cool, they name episodes after his ramblings.

"I know I have been hard on you, but that is how you make a soft metal into steel. That is why you are the most gifted young surgeon in this city. And this, this is a career that is all about the greater good. " All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues.

Next week on The Jack Show: CSI Craphole Island Part I and more of Jack being a big horrible meanie to Kate.

Forever_Erica

09-24-2007, 01:22 AM

All superb choices. I really liked the movie, and I loved Foxy in it. He was wonderful. Red's little story within the story -- his journey with grief -- is not just heartbreaking but exactly right -- the shock, the anger, the tentative moving on with life, and then the crushing resurgence of grief and guilt at having done so, and everything...it's all so terribly right. I thought Foxy was terrific at the time, but since losing my dad, I've got a different perspective on grief than I did when I watched it in the theatre, and I can see that that performance is spot on in ways that I did not realize at the time I saw it. I think that the entire movie is quite strong and very honest on the subject.

I seem to be stuck in italics. So just pretend your in my head, hearing an interior monologue.

TSTID

Why thank you TSTID, and you’re right, to truly understand Red’s situation and the source of his grief and how he’s struggling with moving on, one has to find a similar situation to draw from. I did that when watching Foxy’s performance and I have to say that it heightened the experience to a higher degree.

Thanks Erica,Great post, cant ait to see the movie. I pre ordered the dvd but it's only scheduled for release sometime in October now

You’re welcome Freckles and thanks for the compliment. I had a fun time making it lol. You have to see that movie! It’s amazing and so true and real.

100%

Okay, well Clauds (bless her heart lol), brought an interesting subject to my attention. She is interested in understanding how Jack deals with death. It’s a very interesting thought and I want to elaborate further. During Jack’s time on the Island, he’s had to face the possibility of death and its outcome for some of the people he’s become close to. Even during the early stages of Jack’s back-story we see him struggling with his father’s death and how he has to deal with that.

The very first Jack-back that we see occurs in the episode “White Rabbit” and at the end of that episode, we see why Jack was in Australia in the first place, why he was wearing a suit and tie when he woke up in the middle of the jungle. When he’s in the airport, he HAS to get on that plane, he HAS to get to LA, he HAS to bury his father. “In 16 hours I need to land at LAX, and I need that coffin to clear customs because there's going to be a hearse waiting there. And I need that hearse to take me and that coffin to a cemetery. Why? Why, Chrissy, can't I just bring him to a funeral home and make all the arrangements? Why can't I really take my time with it? Because I need it to be done. I need it to be over. I just -- I need to bury my father.” Why can’t Jack take his time with it? Why can’t Jack just do things slowly and process his grief in a normal pattern? Why is he so determined to bury his father and be done with it? The answers are obvious to some and more obscure to others. Jack is basically getting off that plane and headed straight to a cemetery to place his father’s body six-feet under and he has to get it done NOW. It’s not even as if he’s burying his father, but the last 35-40 years of his life and his memory of Christian in a way.

Okay, well, I think that as a surgeon, Jack deals with death as a way of life, that it's inevitable, but there's something about it that makes it personal for him everytime. For example, in “The Hunting Party”, when Jack loses Angelo on the table, he is absolutely livid (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x11/4/normal_huntingpartycap439.jpg). He’s so discouraged, and there's Christian, telling him not to take this personally, that he was an old man who was on the table for a long time, but Jack doesn’t take that as an excuse, he’s absolutely positive that he ‘had it’, and to see that he couldn’t save the man when it was in his capacity to do so, it kills him.

Okay, now as far as on the Island, we see Jack deal with death in many profound ways that makes him have to step away and just grieve at his own rate.

I think that a few weeks ago, we were discussing the occurrences where Jack is in his lonesome and isolated in a sense from the group, this, in my opinion, usually occurs after someone has died. As I think about it, it’s really interesting and it reminds me a lot of myself. After Jack had to end the Marshall’s suffering, according to the script for “Tabula Rasa”, Jack sits on the beach (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x03-tabularasa/normal_tabularasa467.jpg), by himself...all night long. He needs space, time to clear his head, think about what he’s done and grieve over it. (And Jack says in WTCMB that he HAD to bury the Marshall…out of respect for the dead or because he just HAD to bury something, anything? Interesting.) Like in “White Rabbit”, when he’s on this mission to ‘find’ his father, to ‘follow the white rabbit’ in a sense, we see that he takes a moment to sit alone by himself (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x05-whiterabbit/normal_white-rabbit501.jpg) and wallow and finally cry and properly grieve for his father (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x05-whiterabbit/normal_white-rabbit530.jpg). We see him break down in his lonesome and this is a common occurrence for Jack on the Island.

In the episode, “Walkabout” Jack and Sayid have a heated confrontation about the fuselage and what to do about all the dead bodies inside, Jack says set it on fire (in hopes that someone might see it). Sayid has huge issues with that, but Jack has to get it all out of the way, get it over with. He feels for those who didn’t make it, yet again, he’s not one of them; they have to think about what’s best for those who are alive at this point. At the end of that episode, when all of the others are standing near the torched fuselage, hearing the names and brief bios of those who perished, Jack is on the beach (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x04-walkabout/normal_walkabout547.jpg), sitting by himself, the backdrop of the image is the burning fuselage. In the episode “Do No Harm” after he lets Boone go, he’s kneeling on the beach (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm877.jpg), alone yet again, packing his backpack, hearing the celebratory laughs from the group about Claire and the baby, completely pissed that he was lied to by Locke about Boone’s condition. This time he’s not grieving in a sense, he’s basically out for blood over the position that Locke put him in.

During the episode “The Greater Good”, we see Hurricane Jack (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x21-good/normal_greatergood150.jpg) (in Clauds’ words lol), just completely pissed that Locke put him in that position, in the position to pull off some magic trick and clean up his mess (much like Christian did in ATBCHDI…something that Clauds mentions in her review. Jack didn’t have the proper information to treat that innocent pregnant woman and he didn’t have the proper information to treat Boone…way to go Locke!). He’s pissed that Boone died obviously, but again, if only Jack had the proper information, he could have saved him. Even recently, in the finale “Through the Looking Glass”, after Jack lays the smack down on Ben, the one who had his friends killed, he goes off to be alone again (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1485.jpg), he needs to be by himself to drink in that guilt, that grief, to be broken and to pick himself back up again.

I think that Jack’s way of dealing with death is to internalize his emotions and just sit with them, let them stew until he explodes (all over Locke that is lmao). He’s introverted and not really familiar with a lot of outside emotion, even though he shows it more than most people at times and in certain situations.

Okay, I’m done, please don’t kick me out, I’m going already….I’m going…..:biggrin:

Erica

P.S. Before I leave, I want to say GREAT review Clauds! :thumbsup:

lauradc1980

09-24-2007, 06:37 AM

Why thank you TSTID, and you’re right, to truly understand Red’s situation and the source of his grief and how he’s struggling with moving on, one has to find a similar situation to draw from. I did that when watching Foxy’s performance and I have to say that it heightened the experience to a higher degree.

I've just seen WAM, and even after the final credits I kept sitting on my couch, watching at the screen and thinking about everything the movie transmited. It' s powerful, touching, and Foxy is just AMAZING into the role.

Loved, loved, loved the movie. And I loved it again. I cried, I cried again, and I cried even more. And after crying for a while (and drinking some water to don't dehydrate myself) I confirmed what I already knew: HE brings a whole new meaning to the action of crying. Not only you want to hug him tightly becuase you believe him, you also cry along with him. And then you feel so f****** (censuring myself before being censured) good that you only want to watch it again.

Foxy in green is love.

yas_m

09-24-2007, 10:37 AM

woohoo!! it's Monday! With professor Claud's permission, I would like to suggest we do a little comparative analysis, a little 1992 vs 2007 for Art Appreciation Class.

:smart:

Case Study 1: The Wardrobe
1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/wings43.jpg)
2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Foxy%20SNL%20clip/PDVD_010.jpg)

Case Study 2: The Props
1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/wings37.jpg)
2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/talahassee-cap371.jpg)

hellybongo

09-24-2007, 12:06 PM

Last but not least, I love how Jack, Claire and Aaron all refuse to sleep (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-382-366.html)in this episode and half the camp spares no efforts to put them to bed and get some peace and quiet. :lol2: I'm fine, dammit! (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-382-209.html) is probably the family motto.

That looks so familiar at the moment - screaming baby...that is. It's all for the greater good as you say;)
Ok - must rewatch as soon as possible...

woohoo!! it's Monday! With professor Claud's permission, I would like to suggest we do a little comparative analysis, a little 1992 vs 2007 for Art Appreciation Class.

:smart:

Case Study 1: The Wardrobe
1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/wings43.jpg)
2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Foxy%20SNL%20clip/PDVD_010.jpg)

Thats so funny - nice butt shots though. Have to say I'm all for the 2007 model though:biggrin:

Case Study 2: The Props
1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/wings37.jpg)
2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/talahassee-cap371.jpg)

That is so funny - I'm loving the butt shots but I'm all for the 2007 model over the 1992 one thanks:D

1DocLover

09-24-2007, 12:29 PM

Hey Erica,

Just a quick question for you, or anyone really. In "The Greater Good", Jack has every reason to be completely PO'd at Locke for what he did.

BUT do you really think that if Locke had told Jack what really happened that he would have been able to save Boone? I mean, Boone was pretty beat up, and even given everything Jack knows as a surgeon, their situation leads me to believe that there wouldn't have been anything that Jack could have done to save Boone even if he known what "really" happened.

Such an amazing episode. And I was sad to see Boone go too. I think there was a lot more that could have been done with Boone, but that's another thread.

Just curious if you really believe that Jack could have saved Boone if he had known the real story?

Daphne

Majandra

09-24-2007, 12:35 PM

Just curious if you really believe that Jack could have saved Boone if he had known the real story?

Daphne

Yes. I don't know if he could have really saved him but he could have helped him better, for sure. Jack pretty much ignored Boone's injured leg for quite some time and I'm sure he would have looked at it more closely and sooner if Locke had told him the truth.

I'm not a doctor but I'd say you have quite different injuries that need different treatment if you fell from a cliff (or tree) or if something large like a plane fell on top of you.... :rolleyes:

Damn old fool.... :mad:

Claudia815

09-24-2007, 01:10 PM

Foxy in green is love.

That he is... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/miraclegro.jpg) I like that Red was in a way a symbol for the way the whole town grieved and eventually moved on, I was surprised to see the movie end with him but those were great scenes.

It’s not even as if he’s burying his father, but the last 35-40 years of his life and his memory of Christian in a way.

He needs it to be over. He thinks it's going to be over that way, but I think in WR he realizes it's not over, with or without a funeral, and the guilt and soul-crushing, irreversible loss are still there and that's why he smashes that coffin to bits.

After Jack had to end the Marshall’s suffering, according to the script for “Tabula Rasa”, Jack sits on the beach (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x03-tabularasa/normal_tabularasa467.jpg), by himself...all night long. He needs space, time to clear his head, think about what he’s done and grieve over it. (And Jack says in WTCMB that he HAD to bury the Marshall…out of respect for the dead or because he just HAD to bury something, anything? Interesting.)He needed it to be over.

to sit alone by himself (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x05-whiterabbit/normal_white-rabbit501.jpg)

Jack is on the beach (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x04-walkabout/normal_walkabout547.jpg),

he’s kneeling on the beach (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x20-donoharm/normal_donoharm877.jpg),

he goes off to be alone again (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1485.jpg),

It's OK, baby, come to momma! :hug:

;)

Okay, I’m done, please don’t kick me out, I’m going already….I’m going…..:biggrin: Don't go dammit, my brain needs you. yasy is out to kill it...

woohoo!! it's Monday! With professor Claud's permission, I would like to suggest we do a little comparative analysis, a little 1992 vs 2007 for Art Appreciation Class.

:smart:

Case Study 1: The Wardrobe

2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Foxy%20SNL%20clip/PDVD_010.jpg)

Oh, Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaad... :thud:

Case Study 2: The Props
1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/wings37.jpg)
2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/talahassee-cap371.jpg)Now, see... TMFT is a wonderful, wonderful episode, one of Lost's finest hours. I'm a Jack fangirlX2, Shephard and Bender. But. This would have been THE best episode of Lost, had Mr.Bender used a different angle in that chair-straddling scene. I hope he doesn't take our Art criticism to heart too much, but artists thrive on feedback. :smart:

Either way, it would appear, he'll compensate in the season four premiere: (There's a SPOILER picture there, be warned):

I'll have trouble concentrating on the action again, won't I (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s4/babygotback.jpg)?

That looks so familiar at the moment - screaming baby...that is. It's all for the greater good as you say;)

The Uber Baby is worth it. :biggrin:

Yes. I don't know if he could have really saved him but he could have helped him better, for sure. Jack pretty much ignored Boone's injured leg for quite some time and I'm sure he would have looked at it more closely and sooner if Locke had told him the truth.

That's true. I'm not sure it would have made that big of a difference, medically, even if Jack did know what to look for earlier, I'll leave that to all the med students and future surgeons here. I guess I just don't assign normal motivations and judge Locke by a sane person's standards because he's so... very... NOT.

I can understand both his devotion to the island and his belief that the other mere mortals just don't GET it, and Jack's anger at him. I think somewhere in the back of his mind, Jack knew there wasn't a lot he could have done anyway, but he's got trust issues by the truckload and he doesn't take betrayal and lies well. And in that state he was and with Locke showing up full of Boone's blood that Jack had tried to replace... I probably would have reacted the same.

yas_m

09-24-2007, 01:31 PM

Don't go dammit, my brain needs you. yasy is out to kill it...

Either way, it would appear, he'll compensate in the season four premiere: (There's a SPOILER picture there, be warned):

I'll have trouble concentrating on the action again, won't I (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s4/babygotback.jpg)?

Moi? :hypocrit: I just thought I'd treat us to something after having to work Saturdays. Fine. Next time I won't show you this (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Dr%20Jack/ohboy.png) when you've worked weekends.

OMG! THE VEIN!!! *DIEZ*

lauradc1980

09-24-2007, 04:47 PM

Now, see... TMFT is a wonderful, wonderful episode, one of Lost's finest hours. I'm a Jack fangirlX2, Shephard and Bender. But. This would have been THE best episode of Lost, had Mr.Bender used a different angle in that chair-straddling scene. I hope he doesn't take our Art criticism to heart too much, but artists thrive on feedback. :smart:

There, there, I listen you. Usually, when they show an angle that you can glimpse something but you can't see it completelly (f.i. here (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/fox_water.jpg)), I use to kneel down in front of the screen (yeah, the visual image I'm giving of myself now is pathetic, I know) and twist my head in the most complicated & impossible of the ways just to see what I can glimpse. But in that TMFT image... this is just impossible. And yes, I already tried to look behind the screen, and nothing, nothing at all.

Maxum

09-24-2007, 08:49 PM

Yes. I don't know if he could have really saved him but he could have helped him better, for sure. Jack pretty much ignored Boone's injured leg for quite some time and I'm sure he would have looked at it more closely and sooner if Locke had told him the truth.

I'm not a doctor but I'd say you have quite different injuries that need different treatment if you fell from a cliff (or tree) or if something large like a plane fell on top of you.... :rolleyes:

Damn old fool.... :mad:

Agreed. When Locke brought Boone to Jack, he told Jack that Boone had been injured in a fall. As a result, Jack was looking for "breaking" injuries on Boone such as broken ribs and a concussion. If Jack had known that Boone was crushed underneath the plane, Jack would have been checking for crushing injuries such as lacerated arteries and blood pooling. So, while Jack was setting broken limbs, he was completely unaware that blood was pouring into Boone's crushed leg. Had he known sooner, he could have put a tourniquet on the lower extremity. Boone died from massive blood loss as a result of all the blood pooling into his leg. By the time Jack learned the truth, he tried administer the proper treatment, which is why Jack wanted to try to amputate Boone's leg - to essentially eliminate a place for the blood to pool.

Locke was definitely a party to Boone's death.:mad: Could Boone had been saved? Probably not, but Jack's anger was fueled by the fact that he would have administered first aid to Boone in a very different manner had Locke been honest. The fact that he lied prompted Jack to make the wrong diagnosis, which for someone like Jack is beyond torture.

I was always amazed that Locke was upset with Jack because Jack called him a liar in front of everyone. Ummm........ he WAS a liar. Hello!!

workingmom

09-24-2007, 09:24 PM

Forever_Erica

09-24-2007, 10:53 PM

Do you really think that if Locke had told Jack what really happened that he would have been able to save Boone? I mean, Boone was pretty beat up, and even given everything Jack knows as a surgeon, their situation leads me to believe that there wouldn't have been anything that Jack could have done to save Boone even if he known what "really" happened.

Such an amazing episode. And I was sad to see Boone go too. I think there was a lot more that could have been done with Boone, but that's another thread.

Just curious if you really believe that Jack could have saved Boone if he had known the real story?

Daphne

Great question Daphne! ;) I think that Jack is just upset, among other emotions that are raging through him at this point, that yet again he's left to clean up yet another one of Locke's messes. Obviously that's not the only thing that's plaguing him, he has to pull off another miracle and he has NO idea what happened. I remember when Boone was telling him about the hatch, Jack angrily spat out, "What did Locke do?" He was genuinely PISSED.

Well, to definitively answer your question, I think that if Jack had known the true story, he might have been able to save Boone. Falling off a cliff impacts the body much differently than falling from 50 or so feet up while in an old, rusty 70s-style airplane from Nigeria. When Jack set Boone's leg, the damage was more extensive than he thought, because he based his decisions on what Locke told him or didn't tell him. Jack sets Boone's leg and he's unaware of the fact that it's been crushed, that it's not a closed fracture like Jack had predicted, there's a difference in that, a great difference. The leg was the greatest problem, because after he set it, there was still internal bleeding, so Jack has to amputate the leg to save Boone.

I get where you're coming from though Doc, but Jack said it himself, he based his medical diagnosis on Locke's lie. But in the end, could Jack have saved Boone? We'll never really know the answer to that.

Erica

P.S. MAXUM!?!?! Great to hear from you! I missed ya! :biggrin:

workingmom

09-24-2007, 11:28 PM

The Jack Show Rewind: The Greater Good--The One With Hurricane Jack, The Sleep Deprived Shephards (All Three Of Them) And A Lot Of Sayid Pwning Locke.

...(One thing I noticed about the scene now: awwwwwr... Sawyer's so worried about his pookie. You Naughty Nurse you!) And here it doesn't seem to be part of a calculated con or anything, like when he "happened" to hear Sun's cries in TLC.

There's something else very familiar about Boone's death: the way Locke dumped a patient in Jack's arms, gave incomplete information and took off reminds me of Christian and the patient in ATBCHDI. :thumb_up: Nothing makes a mom prouder than when the kids surpass them at their own intellectual pursuits. Sometimes they do it while just randomly walking through the living room.

Next week on The Jack Show: CSI Craphole Island Part I and more of Jack being a big horrible meanie to Kate. Oh, you mean the ep where Jack ratted her out to the group as a fugitive, don't you? He just can't keep a secret.

woohoo!! it's Monday! With professor Claud's permission, I would like to suggest we do a little comparative analysis, a little 1992 vs 2007 for Art Appreciation Class.

:smart:

Case Study 1: The Wardrobe
1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/wings43.jpg)
2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/Foxy%20SNL%20clip/PDVD_010.jpg)
Isn't it remarkable how styles come back in cycles?

Case Study 2: The Props
1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/wings37.jpg)
2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/talahassee-cap371.jpg)
It looks like he's mastered it by now.

briar910

09-24-2007, 11:33 PM

Heroes, I thought you were more original than that.....
The season premiere has a lead character now with a new long, unkempt beard, shown in the throes of alcohol (?) addiction caused by a guilt trip...
It's Nathan Petrelli!

Jeez. Think of something new already!

Hahaha! I was thinking the exact same thing when watching this.

lauradc1980

09-25-2007, 07:07 AM

BUT do you really think that if Locke had told Jack what really happened that he would have been able to save Boone? I mean, Boone was pretty beat up, and even given everything Jack knows as a surgeon, their situation leads me to believe that there wouldn't have been anything that Jack could have done to save Boone even if he known what "really" happened.

I agree with majandra, maxum and erica when they say that Jack could have definitely done something else to save Boone's life if he had had more information at the moment. From my personal med student point of view, it's not the same to have somebody explaining you the real version of the story, than having somebody in there trying to hide information for some reason.

Not wanting to attack Locke fans in any way, I would consider Locke an accessory in Boone's death. Maybe Jack would have never saved Boone's life because the poor guy was pretty finished off when Jack began to take care of him, but I've heard several times in my practices in OR that a person is not dead until the death in officially announced. Or what's the same, anything that wasn't done to help Boone's life favored his death.

1DocLover

09-25-2007, 09:33 AM

Oh, you mean the ep where Jack ratted her out to the group as a fugitive, don't you? He just can't keep a secret.

Dang, he just can't keep his mouth shut! Big meanie!!;)

yas_m

09-25-2007, 10:16 AM

Isn't it remarkable how styles come back in cycles?

Remarkable. Interesting thing my research showed is that nothing much has really changed from 1992 to 2007. Consider the hussies for example, the 1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/normal_boyfriend040.jpg) hussy has nothing on the 2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/normal_oneofuscap-325.jpg) hussy. It is remarkable.

workingmom

09-25-2007, 10:57 AM

Remarkable. Interesting thing my research showed is that nothing much has really changed from 1992 to 2007. Consider the hussies for example, the 1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/normal_boyfriend040.jpg) hussy has nothing on the 2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/normal_oneofuscap-325.jpg) hussy. It is remarkable.
Better lipstick, that's all. But then the 2007 hussy has better hair.

Claudia815

09-25-2007, 11:23 AM

:hug: Maxum and briar, we missed ya! I figured you were busy, but nice to see you back.

I laughed at Heroes. Seriously. Way to assert yourself as more than an offshoot of Lost. :thumbsup: It wouldn't be fair to Adrian Pasadar to compare since he only had three minutes of screentime, but... you know... not exactly the same league. And there was a second "homage", HRG's very Randy-esque boss.

If Jack had known that Boone was crushed underneath the plane, Jack would have been checking for crushing injuries such as lacerated arteries and blood pooling. So, while Jack was setting broken limbs, he was completely unaware that blood was pouring into Boone's crushed leg. Had he known sooner, he could have put a tourniquet on the lower extremity. Boone died from massive blood loss as a result of all the blood pooling into his leg. By the time Jack learned the truth, he tried administer the proper treatment, which is why Jack wanted to try to amputate Boone's leg - to essentially eliminate a place for the blood to pool.

Maybe Jack would have never saved Boone's life because the poor guy was pretty finished off when Jack began to take care of him, but I've heard several times in my practices in OR that a person is not dead until the death in officially announced. Or what's the same, anything that wasn't done to help Boone's life favored his death.

OK, thanks guys. I wasn't really familiar with the technicalities. I'm still going to play Devil's Advocate with Locke, not because I condone what he did or because I don't think Jack should have kicked his :censored: (I would have done it myself)... there's absolutely no excuse for Locke lying the way he did, even though I understand his motivations. However, I'm still answering Daphne's question with a No. I don't think he would have survived anyway, which again... does not justify Locke's lying, just as it does not mean Jack's anger at him wasn't warranted just because Boone was toast anyway. In fact, had Boone survived, Jack would have still informed Sayid of Locke's lie and keeping the hatch a secret, except maybe without the added glorious violence.

Maxum, you're right about Locke not being the one talk. Jack didn't make him unworthy of the camp's trust by outing him, he made himself unworthy of trust by going behind their backs, lying and manipulating (the knife that Jack pulled out of Sawyer's artery came from Locke).

I don't agree with what Locke did, I just understand where his particular brand of Crazy comes from.

Better lipstick, that's all. But then the 2007 hussy has better hair.

Not sure how well he fared in that dark age of perm, but he's definitely the winner here. Yasy, excellent roundup of two different periods in art history. Look at that face: :mushy: :in_love: :malelove::wub::crush: etc.

Usually, when they show an angle that you can glimpse something but you can't see it completelly (f.i. here (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/fox_water.jpg)), I use to kneel down in front of the screen (yeah, the visual image I'm giving of myself now is pathetic, I know) and twist my head in the most complicated & impossible of the ways just to see what I can glimpse. But in that TMFT image... this is just impossible. And yes, I already tried to look behind the screen, and nothing, nothing at all.

But we commend you for your dedication anyway. I enjoy watching Lockdown on the floor for instance just for the view I get when he slams Ben against the hatch wall... :3:

1DocLover

09-25-2007, 11:43 AM

Claudia,

I absolutely agree that Jack had EVERY RIGHT to be super PO'd at Locke for what he did. There is no denying that. Locke was wrong - BIG TIME! There was no way everyone wasn't going to find out what Locke did. And especially when he showed up at Boone's funeral covered in Boone's blood - I mean, Jack had every right to drop him!

I just don't think that if Locke had told Jack the truth that Boone would have survived. Sorry to say, I was really getting into Boone then, and was so sad that happened. There are so many others who should have been in that plane when it fell off the cliff (I won't mention anyone in particular) but, Jack would have busted his butt to save any one of them, no matter what - that big creep-o!!;)

Daphne

Majandra

09-25-2007, 01:54 PM

I don't think he would have survived anyway, which again... does not justify Locke's lying, just as it does not mean Jack's anger at him wasn't warranted just because Boone was toast anyway. In fact, had Boone survived, Jack would have still informed Sayid of Locke's lie and keeping the hatch a secret, except maybe without the added glorious violence.

A still very yummy toast, I might add. ;)

Heroes, I thought you were more original than that.....
The season premiere has a lead character now with a new long, unkempt beard, shown in the throes of alcohol (?) addiction caused by a guilt trip...
It's Nathan Petrelli!

Jeez. Think of something new already!

:24: Did any of you watch "How I Met Your Mother"? One of the characters (Ted) grew out a "post-break-up" beard and looked very much like a younger version of Jack!! :24: I think Jack/ TPTB created a new trend on TV!! :24:

Remarkable. Interesting thing my research showed is that nothing much has really changed from 1992 to 2007. Consider the hussies for example, the 1992 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/normal_boyfriend040.jpg) hussy has nothing on the 2007 (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/normal_oneofuscap-325.jpg) hussy. It is remarkable.

Mhmm... I'd prefer the 2007 hussy... :71:

Claudia815

09-25-2007, 02:56 PM

A still very yummy toast, I might add. ;)

Goes without saying.

:24: Did any of you watch "How I Met Your Mother"? One of the characters (Ted) grew out a "post-break-up" beard and looked very much like a younger version of Jack!! :24: I think Jack/ TPTB created a new trend on TV!! :24:This bit is really spoilery about Heroes so don't read if you pay more attention than I do and you actually care about what happens...

Both Petrelli brothers are Jack wannabes. Peter improved dramatically by adopting the overgrown buzzcut, while Nathan... well... see for yourself:

The Original (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/LOST_5325.jpg)

The Ripoff
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/HeroesS02E01.HDTVDD1182.jpg)
:lol2:

Hufflepuff

09-25-2007, 02:59 PM

Since I know that we aren´t supposed to talk about the private life of the actors may I ask if anybody has a link to get to know more about this amazing actor? Thanks a lot!

lauradc1980

09-25-2007, 05:41 PM

But we commend you for your dedication anyway. I enjoy watching Lockdown on the floor for instance just for the view I get when he slams Ben against the hatch wall... :3:

You mean in this scene (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_lockdown-caps636.jpg)? :msn-wink:

This bit is really spoilery about Heroes so don't read if you pay more attention than I do and you actually care about what happens...
Both Petrelli brothers are Jack wannabes. Peter improved dramatically by adopting the overgrown buzzcut, while Nathan... well... see for yourself:
The Original (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/LOST_5325.jpg)
The Ripoff (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/HeroesS02E01.HDTVDD1182.jpg)

*gasp* :blink:

Now I wonder how much of Jack with beard we're going to see in Season 4. Since we're going to have more flash forwards, this also means more beards, I guess.

I prefered all those medical uniforms. Nothing against the beard, even if the stubble is a LOT better. Although it's obvious that he marked style with that one, at this pace even Veronica Mars is going to grow a beard.

Maxum

09-25-2007, 06:36 PM

Heroes, I thought you were more original than that.....
The season premiere has a lead character now with a new long, unkempt beard, shown in the throes of alcohol (?) addiction caused by a guilt trip...

Jeez. Think of something new already!

I don't watch Heroes, but I read about it today. I also heard that someone was handcuffed, looked scruffy, and was being held captive.

Sounds a little familiar too, huh? ;)

P.S. MAXUM!?!?! Great to hear from you! I missed ya! :biggrin:

Finals are ALMOST over, and I can at least pop in and chat with the gang. :biggrin:

Not wanting to attack Locke fans in any way, I would consider Locke an accessory in Boone's death. Maybe Jack would have never saved Boone's life because the poor guy was pretty finished off when Jack began to take care of him, but I've heard several times in my practices in OR that a person is not dead until the death in officially announced. Or what's the same, anything that wasn't done to help Boone's life favored his death.

Indeed. It's not that Jack could have saved Boone's life, but I can't just dismiss Locke's complete negligence of Boone's well-being. I mean, how do you drop off a guy in Boone's condition and not even bother to sit by his side when there's no doubt the man is in seriously bad shape. THEN, you give the only person on the island who might possibly be able to save him the wrong information. Jack makes a diagnosis of Boone's injuries based on Locke's lie. By the time Jack realizes he was lied to, it's too late.

:hug: Maxum and briar, we missed ya! I figured you were busy, but nice to see you back.

:kiss: Hey Claudia!! (big wave)

I laughed at Heroes. Seriously. Way to assert yourself as more than an offshoot of Lost. :thumbsup:

I know! This is why Heroes will always be the little brother to Lost. What's that quote about imitation and flattery? (although Lost should still have been nominated .instead . . .:mad:)

Maxum, you're right about Locke not being the one talk. Jack didn't make him unworthy of the camp's trust by outing him, he made himself unworthy of trust by going behind their backs, lying and manipulating (the knife that Jack pulled out of Sawyer's artery came from Locke).

What drove me nuts was that some people actually had a problem with Jack being angry at Locke, as if Jack was out of line. :confused: Locke deserved a MAJOR beatdown for what he did to Boone.

I don't agree with what Locke did, I just understand where his particular brand of Crazy comes from.

Agreed. The Boone/Locke incident (as I know refer to it) is what really started Locke's descent into island worship. I mean, that's when I truly realized that Locke was going to sacrifice anyone and everyone to please his new God. It's also what makes him such a fascinating character. (Go Terry!)

I just don't think that if Locke had told Jack the truth that Boone would have survived. Sorry to say, I was really getting into Boone then, and was so sad that happened. There are so many others who should have been in that plane when it fell off the cliff (I won't mention anyone in particular) but, Jack would have busted his butt to save any one of them, no matter what - that big creep-o!!;)

Daphne

Boone was most definitely a goner, and I think Jack knew it from the beginning. What really traumatized Jack was that he misdiagnosed Boone based on Locke's lie, and in Jack's mind, Jack feels he contributed to Boone's suffering. That's how Jack thinks.

(BTW, congratulations on your chat with Damon and Carlton! So happy to have a Jack fan get a chance to chat on the phone with the writers/producers.)

Now I wonder how much of Jack with beard we're going to see in Season 4. Since we're going to have more flash forwards, this also means more beards, I guess.

I prefered all those medical uniforms. Nothing against the beard, even if the stubble is a LOT better. Although it's obvious that he marked style with that one, at this pace even Veronica Mars is going to grow a beard.

I have nothing against the beard, either, per se, but nothing beats the stubble. ;) Hopefully, D&C were just joking about the beard getting much longer. Please, don't turn my Jack into ZZ Top, although if anyone can pull of the look, it will be Jack. :biggrin:

Just A Button

09-25-2007, 07:06 PM

while Nathan... well... see for yourself:

The Original (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/LOST_5325.jpg)

The Ripoff
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/HeroesS02E01.HDTVDD1182.jpg)
:lol2: OMG! did they actually use the same beard!?!?

Majandra

09-25-2007, 07:07 PM

I don't watch Heroes, but I read about it today. I also heard that someone was handcuffed, looked scruffy, and was being held captive.

Sounds a little familiar too, huh? ;)

Reminded me more on the Bourne movies since he had lost his memory... ooooh LOST!! There's the connection!!! :71:

:biggrin:

Maxum

09-25-2007, 07:13 PM

Reminded me more on the Bourne movies since he had lost his memory... ooooh LOST!! There's the connection!!! :71:

:biggrin:

LOL! There are too many connections to Lost, doncha know?!

I loved the Bourne Ultimatum! In fact, I love ALL the Bourne movies, and as a result have developed a little thing for Matt Damon with plenty left over for Mr. Foxy. ;) (I don't think I needed to spoil this, so I didn't, but I could be wrong.)

lulinha_k

09-26-2007, 01:42 AM

Hey guys. Some of you might know that I live in Brazil. We already got the Season 3 dvd box here.
I just got mine!
I will post the FoxyJack extra-stuff from the DVDs, for those ones who might want to know more about it. And I will try to put the whole stuff online (probably on YouTube) as soon as possible.

The Extras on the DVD

I have to say first that this one was the most Foxyless/Jackless DVD-box of all 3 boxes. Almost none if you compare with Season 1 and 2. And that made me pretty much annoyed.
Secondly, my english sucks. Totally. So, just ignore all the errors, ok!
So, lets move on.

All the extras are:

- Lost Book Club (Some stuff about all the books references on Lost. Damon, Carlton and some actors like Josh Holloway, Elizabeth Mitchell, Michael Emerson and Henry Ian Cusack talk about their characters and "their" books on the show)
- Creating the toys of Todd McFarlane (how the toys were made, with all the computer stuff to copy the actors characteristics)
- The Next Level: inside the videogame (some nice stuff about Lost - the game)
- Lost On Location: Really nice stuff. Season 3 locations where were flimed:
*The Glass Ballerina
*Every Man For Himself
*Not In Portland (details below)
*Flashes Before Your Eyes
*Tricia Tanaka is Dead
*The Man From Talahasse
*Exposé
*The Man Behind The Curtain
*Greatest Hits
*Throught The Looking Glass (details below)
- Crew Tribute With Evangeline Lilly (Evies tribute to the Lost crew. She walks arounf the sets, introducing the whole people who works behind the cameras)
- Lost in a Day (Very interesting stuff. We see all the hard work that Lost cast and crew can do only in one day. They worked on 7 different episodes!)
- The World Of The Others (Producers and actors talking about "The Others" and how they were the central plot of Season 3)
- Terry O'Quinn - "Throwing From The Handle" (Terry talking about some action scenes that he played as "John Locke".)
- Blooper Real (details below)
- The Lost Flashbacks (Scenes that were never showed before)
*Furthers Instructions: "Locke Escapes"
*The Glass Ballerina: "Funeral Scene"
*Exposé: "People Can Change"
- Deleted Scenes (Details of all deleted scenes below)
* A Tale Of Two Cities: "Doctor to the rescue"
* Further Instructions: "Introducing Nikki and Paolo"
* Further Instructions: "Sex Talk"
* The Glass Ballerina: "Breaking Rocks"
* I Do: "Alex and Daddy"
* Flashes Before Your Eyes: "Super-powers, dude!"
* Tricia Tanaka is Dead: "Charlie Carries On"
* Tricia Tanaka is Dead: "Changing Our Luck"
* The Man Behind the Courtain: "The Journey to Jacob´s Place"

Now, finally, LOVE ME SOME JACK/FOXY!

Lost On Location: Foxy comments on NIP and TTLG
--> Not In Portland: Matt says that the work on the scenes that Jack is operating on Ben was very intense and all the actors were very focused.
Elizabeth Michell says that her and Foxy were obssesed with all the details, that they wanted to know all stuff about the surgery, wich objects they were going to use, to make the scene very real.
Carlton Cuse: "Jack sacrifaces his own freedom to help Kate and Sawyer to escape".
Foxy tells he thinks that Jack made a very noble gesture by letting them go.

--> Through the Looking Glass (aka - by me - "The Jack Show Episode" hee) : Foxy starts saying that film the Flash Forward was incredibly intense. That Jack is such a mess in the future, that he is about to lose his mind, and that was really tough for him to play Jack like that.
The director Jack Bender says that Jack has nothing left in this episode, and that Matthew is an actor that really commits body and soul to the story that he is telling, and that he really put himself in to it.
Foxy tells he doesnt know if he had ever got so tired like the way he was during the time he was filming the Season Finale. He says that was an incredible and hard 3 weeks of shooting.
Bender: "In the island we see Jack more strong, more commited with his 'Come on tribe, we are going to the mountain top" Moses style.
We see how they shoot that scene with Jack beating Ben.
Carlton says that the questions after the Season 3 Finale are: "How they got rescued?", "What means the contact that Jack made with this boat?" and "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?", and Damon adds that these are all the things they will explore on Season 4.

JACK BLOOPER REAL
One of the best things on the DVD, as always. So clucking fun! Dom and Naveen are the best thing about the bloopers. They were just hilarious.
There are 3 Jack/Foxy bloopers (I know that the way I will tell the bloopers may not sounds as funny as actually are, but be patience, I will put the videos on as soon as I can):
--> From "Greates Hits": Jack is talking with Juliet, asking about the Looking Glass station, and he starts to laugh and then Elizabeth Mitchell follows his laugh.
--> From "Through The Looking Glass": Jack is talking with Sayid about the radio and then suddenly Naveen just start to crack and make jokes about the scene, and Foxy cracks too.
--> From "Catch 22": Sawyer is asking Jack about his "backhand" (in front of Juliets tent, right before the ping-pong game), and then Foxy stops because he can´t remember what he is supposed to say. Then he remains in silence and starts to look back and forth, from Josh to Elizabeth, and them him and Josh start to laugh and Foxy grabs Josh (So freaking cute!).

DELETED SCENES

* A Tale Of Two Cities: "Doctor to the rescue"
The Jack-back scene that was cut from TOTC. He saves the blondie little girl that was suffocating at the playground. This scene starts with Jack inside his car in front of a school, looking at Sarah. Its the sequency of this scene.
After he saved the girl, he looks at Sarah, who is staring at him with disgust. She seems totally annoyed by his presence. Jack is totally shy, kind of embarassed on this scene. He smiles at her and tells that he was going to the hospital but he thought that would be ok stop by to see her. She looks at him with that cold look that she use to glance him every once and awhile, and tells him just to sign the divorce papers.
Once and again, Sarah is breaking Jack´s heart. I'm kind of glad they cut that scene.
She walks away and the little girl tells Jack to not trust Sarah.

* Further Instructions: "Introducing Nikki and Paolo"
This is another scene that I'm glad they cut from the original episode.
Its the scene introducing Nikki and Paolo. How that happens: Claire is taking care of Aaron when she hears some weird noises coming from Jacks tent. She starts to call Jack's name, and when she opens the tent she sees Pikki having sex there.

I think that´s it. I hope that helps.

:hug:

briar910

09-26-2007, 02:42 AM

:hug: Maxum and briar, we missed ya! I figured you were busy, but nice to see you back.

I just can't keep up with all the wonderful conversations. But I'm usually always lurking. ;)

And I just wanted to say a belated congrats to Doc because that was so cool. You did a very good job with the D&C interview. :thumbup:

And lulinha_k thank you so much for that! I'm so jealous that you have the dvds already! Can't wait until you put the clips up. You rock! :biggrin:

lauradc1980

09-26-2007, 05:13 AM

Hey guys. Some of you might know that I live in Brazil. We already got the Season 3 dvd box here.
I just got mine!

I'm jealous, jealous, JEALOUS!!! In the good sense of the word, of course, because I'm glad you can have it!!

Claudia815

09-26-2007, 10:14 AM

Luka! :hug: Thank you so much for this Den exclussive. :biggrin: I have a question about the little girl on the playground. There was a spoiler picture of Jack asleep in the shark tank and she was somewhere in the background. Is she in the Hydra also, or just in the flashback?

OMG! did they actually use the same beard!?!?

That Tim Kring is a cheap-o. :lol2: Maybe it was a gift from Damon.

It's not that Jack could have saved Boone's life, but I can't just dismiss Locke's complete negligence of Boone's well-being. I mean, how do you drop off a guy in Boone's condition and not even bother to sit by his side when there's no doubt the man is in seriously bad shape.

*puts on Devil's Advocate cap* Well, this was a major blow to Locke as well. And again... if you judge him by a SANE's persons standards of behavior... you're not going to get anywhere. But Locke prioritizes and I think he knew Boone was already dead the same way Jack knew he couldn't save him. Is it callous of Locke? Yes. But he thinks he's doing it all "for the greater good", they were all brought there for a reason, etc. At the same time, his faith is rattled by the incident if you look at where he is at the end of DEM and then a light comes on (Desmond going to the loo probably) and he's found his way again. So it makes no difference to Locke if he's holding Boone's hand or not (I think he genuinely cared for the kid, but his affections mean nothing when the Island gets jealous), he's got a job to do. The second part, about the lying is more troubling, but it's motivated by the same factors. Locke believes in his special destiny on the island and thinks telling the others about the hatch will compromise everything. I have no idea if this is something he's reasoned by himself or the Island or the whacky paste "told" him.

Again, callous, but knowing that he refers to Boone later as "the sacrifice the island demanded" (:biggrin:), not at all surprising coming from Locke.

Boone was most definitely a goner, and I think Jack knew it from the beginning. What really traumatized Jack was that he misdiagnosed Boone based on Locke's lie, and in Jack's mind, Jack feels he contributed to Boone's suffering.

I hadn't thought about it that way, but you're probably right. See? That's why I love this place. :group:

I have nothing against the beard, either, per se, but nothing beats the stubble. ;) Hopefully, D&C were just joking about the beard getting much longer. Please, don't turn my Jack into ZZ Top, although if anyone can pull of the look, it will be Jack. :biggrin:

Hey, to answer Damon and Carlton's question the way Daphne did, I would take him in a bar, I would take him in a car... I'm not picky. ;) They were joking around, but all that said to me was that Jack's going to be around for a long, long time. As it should be.

I just can't keep up with all the wonderful conversations. But I'm usually always lurking. ;)

Pfft! I trust you can do "art appreciation" with us. :3:

workingmom

09-26-2007, 10:18 AM

Hey guys, don't miss Haunted (http://www.scifi.com/haunted/)which starts tonight on SciFi channel at 10pm Eastern. This is a series from 2002 in which Foxy stars as a private eye, ex-cop, who nearly dies and goes over to the "other side" for a few minutes. Afterwards he starts to experience weird moments where the dead communicate with him in various ways. His ex-wife actually cares a lot about him (unlike other ex-wives playing opposite Foxy), and they're apparently divorced in the aftermath of their little son having been kidnapped. He's carrying around a lot of guilt and it's a lot of Foxy playing a tortured soul that he does so well.

And if you need any more persuasion (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/tvcaps/haunted/1x01-pilot/haunted-pilot086.jpg) to tune in, these (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/tvcaps/haunted/1x01-pilot/haunted-pilot089.jpg) are just from (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/mat16.jpg)the pilot (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/tvcaps/haunted/1x01-pilot/haunted-pilot148.jpg). ;)

Claudia815

09-26-2007, 10:24 AM

maman, you forgot this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/mat5.jpg) and this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/3hourtour246.jpg)and this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/haunshower.jpg)and this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/Haunted.jpg) and a little bit of that (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/last-call352.jpg).

Wednesday nights are fun again. It's not called cheating on your TV boyfriend if it's the same actor, is it? :angelnot:

workingmom

09-26-2007, 10:55 AM

georgiapeach81

09-26-2007, 10:57 AM

Thanks for posting, Luka! Can't wait! And Haunted tonight!

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-26-2007, 01:00 PM

shoegirl

09-26-2007, 07:53 PM

Thanks for the wonderful recap on the extras from the Season 3 DVDs! EXcellent!

And yes, Christmas on Wednesdays is back. OK, not quite Christmas. Perhaps Halloween. If they run them all -- and I don't trust the Sci Fi channel to hold to their word on this at all -- but if they run them all, that takes us through a goodly amount of the rest of the haitus, yes?

I am looking forward to this, not because I think the series is all that great -- the one episode I saw wasn't (although he did a good job with his part) -- but because this is as close as I'm getting to my dream of Foxy playing Philip Marlowe, and I plan on enjoying the hell out of it. :biggrin:

TSTID

Yep, I can't wait to check out more episodes of Haunted. Banshee brought us the first episode many moons ago, and it was great. I'm looking forward to getting to know Frank a bit more. I'll have my DVD player set to record tonight.

Hey,

Looks like there may be a Hurley Jack flashforward scene. They are shooting a scene at the YWCA in Honolulu (closed set). The trailers at the location were for Jack and Hurley. I :heart: me some Jack and Hurley scenes.

I Choose Jack!!

shoe

Claudia815

09-26-2007, 11:08 PM

Thanks for the wonderful recap on the extras from the Season 3 DVDs! EXcellent!

And yes, Christmas on Wednesdays is back. OK, not quite Christmas. Perhaps Halloween. If they run them all -- and I don't trust the Sci Fi channel to hold to their word on this at all -- but if they run them all, that takes us through a goodly amount of the rest of the haitus, yes?

I am looking forward to this, not because I think the series is all that great -- the one episode I saw wasn't (although he did a good job with his part) -- but because this is as close as I'm getting to my dream of Foxy playing Philip Marlowe, and I plan on enjoying the hell out of it. :biggrin:

TSTID

Let us know if the trenchcoat did it for you.

I so love Marc Snow's music, especially there at the end. And I'm girlcrushing on his ex-wife, Jess. THAT is a woman after my own heart. Frank obviously never made it to work on time and didn't get much sleep at night.:angelnot: I love how gratuitous the whole angsting on the hospital bed nakedness is. It's only fair...

Anybody know what city that's supposed to be? It rains so much, you'd think it was Craphole Island.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-27-2007, 01:54 AM

Let us know if the trenchcoat did it for you.

Um, yes, it did. And then some.

Oh, and did I ever mention that my literary boyfriend Philip Marlowe, who Foxy really, really must play just as a favor to me, is described as having a nice bumpy nose, which got that way from playing college football. Seriously. It's fate, right? Won't someone out there validate my sad, pathetic hopes?

I love how gratuitous the whole angsting on the hospital bed nakedness is. It's only fair...

We get more shirtlessness from Frank in the first 15 minutes than we do from Jack in 3 entire seasons. What the hell is up with that? Does anyone know if this keeps up? Because if it does, this show's cancelation violates my human rights and I'm suing someone.

Anybody know what city that's supposed to be? It rains so much, you'd think it was Craphole Island.

Oh, they're in LA. Specifically noir-LA, where the weather is always very Vancouver-like.

Must watch again before I can coherently comment further.

Oh, by the way, Foxy does the kind of thing that he's doing here very, very well and I dig the hell out of watching him do it.

TSTID

1DocLover

09-27-2007, 09:11 AM

"T.V.'s Greatest Comeback Stories"

Matthew Fox: Stuck on a (mostly) deserted island and could really use some back surgery? Cancel your appointment with the incompetent Professor from Gilligan's Island and hope your insurance covers the talents of natural-born leader Dr. Jack Shepard. But long before Matthew Fox cradled the survivors as the troubled surgeon, he was rocking the cradle as perturbed patriarch Charlie Salinger on Fox's late 90's drama Party of Five. Only five years passed between the end of "Party" and the beginning of "Lost," though Fox shied away from the spotlight by passing up the typical leap to the big screen in favor of a short-lived UPN show called " Haunted" and a handful of cameos. We thought we lost him, but instead, he lost us.

By the way, Haunted is a really good show. I'm acutally quite glad it didn't last though, because then we wouldn't have our amazing Dr. Jack Sheppard!!

(Am I allowed to post the link where this article came from, because there are some nice pictures and a nice biography of Foxy). I'm not sure and don't want to get in trouble. Thanks for any help.

Doc

lulinha_k

09-27-2007, 09:22 AM

You are welcome guys! :hug:
I´m happy that I can help you on that (I mean, USA will have to wait until December. This is SO WRONG!), I just hope you don´t mind my english (I´m working on that... :rolleyes: :redface: )

Luka! :hug: Thank you so much for this Den exclussive. :biggrin: I have a question about the little girl on the playground. There was a spoiler picture of Jack asleep in the shark tank and she was somewhere in the background. Is she in the Hydra also, or just in the flashback?

Just in the FB... Actually, I just uploaded this Deleted Scene... So run to see our sweety, sexy and sensitive Doctor to the Rescue (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u6PToou8LZY)!
You guys can also see Foxy comments on some scenes from Not In Portland (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv2CEIFHxLg) and Through the Looking Glass (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BKWJ_LNKJkU) Extra - Locations.

Majandra

09-27-2007, 09:25 AM

When was Haunted aired originally?

Starrox

09-27-2007, 09:38 AM

Short version: in fall 2002
Slightly longer version: between 09/24/02 and 11/02/02 (7 episodes, 6 remained unaired)

:grin:

squid

09-27-2007, 10:32 AM

Dany_E

09-27-2007, 10:43 AM

I doubt anyone here will remember me, I've been mia at the fuse for quite sometime, but I lurk occassionally here and a couple of other places. I have a question/comment:

Perhaps this has already been discussed ad nauseum, if so, please just skip over me (but somebody direct me to the discussion, pretty please) or I'll delete myself if this turns out to be too incoherent or stupid:redface:
but I couldn't help but notice in the TTLG clip that the nurse at the dispensary says she'll have to call Jack's dad's office to see if the scrip is valid. I thought that was a little odd, that it perhaps indicated that Christian was known to her.

In my experience when someone well known dies, word gets around pretty quick... so why wouldn't she know he was dead? I just think there's something fishy with the ff in relation to Jack and his storyline... anyone out there able to help me out???

Unless Christian's alive?????

(ducks from Claudia...)

PS - of course we remember you squid!

aliaskate18

09-27-2007, 10:43 AM

Luka Thanks for everything! You are great! And about haunted i watched couple of eposodes, but it was showning late at night in my country,sooo even for Foxy i couldn/t watch this late. Shame on me!

Claudia815

09-27-2007, 10:44 AM

I doubt anyone here will remember me, I've been mia at the fuse for quite sometime, but I lurk occassionally here and a couple of other places. I have a question/comment:

Perhaps this has already been discussed ad nauseum, if so, please just skip over me (but somebody direct me to the discussion, pretty please) or I'll delete myself if this turns out to be too incoherent or stupid:redface:
but I couldn't help but notice in the TTLG clip that the nurse at the dispensary says she'll have to call Jack's dad's office to see if the scrip is valid. I thought that was a little odd, that it perhaps indicated that Christian was known to her.

In my experience when someone well known dies, word gets around pretty quick... so why wouldn't she know he was dead? I just think there's something fishy with the ff in relation to Jack and his storyline... anyone out there able to help me out???

:hug: Don't lurk, join us more often! I've missed you. :biggrin:

Dany has the explanation for this. :p

I don't think the prescription lady knew who Christian was, she just heard Jack say "It's my father" when he gave her the fake prescription. At least that's what I remember.

Because it was fake. Because Christian's dead. Seriously. There's even a song about it. :biggrin:

ETA: :24: WHAT did I tell you???

suzzzette

09-27-2007, 10:52 AM

I really enjoyed seeing Foxy in Haunted last night - awesome that they're showing it in Lost's old timeslot...like a salve on the hiatus wound.

I hadn't really seen much of his work before Lost and I've been trying to catch up recently. What was really cool about seeing Haunted and, before that, We Are Marshall after really only seeing him in Lost is how much it shows what an awesome job he's done crafting the character of Jack. Its such a detailed, nuanced portrayal. More than Haunted, WAM was really interesting to watch - Red Dawson had some similarities with Jack - he was also the strong, silent type. But somehow MF manages to add this layer of aloofness and intensity to Jack.

Anyway - I'm looking forward to recording all the Haunted eps for close scrutiny - I don't think it was a really good show - but he's good in it - and yay for the nekkid!

squid

09-27-2007, 11:17 AM

Claudia and Dany, thanks for straightening me out:hug:... its a big job but I knew ya'll would be up to the task.
I don't post because I don't have much to add these days... but nice to know I'm welcome whenever I think I might have noticed something postworthy!
carry on....
squid

Claudia815

09-27-2007, 11:30 AM

Luka, thanks for getting the goods on your LJ. :24: Further Instructions was not exactly a brilliant episode to begin with, so they could have kept the Claire/Nikki sex talk scene in because it does have its humor. It's so bad it's actually quite hilarious. Jack's Tent=Viagra for Paulo and Nikki speaks for all of us when she's pining for Jack. :roflmao:

Speaking of welcoming our hussies back to Easily Sidetracked Hussyland...

I hadn't really seen much of his work before Lost and I've been trying to catch up recently. What was really cool about seeing Haunted and, before that, We Are Marshall after really only seeing him in Lost is how much it shows what an awesome job he's done crafting the character of Jack. Its such a detailed, nuanced portrayal. More than Haunted, WAM was really interesting to watch - Red Dawson had some similarities with Jack - he was also the strong, silent type. But somehow MF manages to add this layer of aloofness and intensity to Jack.

I think it's because there is a streak of obsessiveness and darkness in Jack that sometimes bubbles and bursts to the surface and he's brilliant at portraying that.

Anyway - I'm looking forward to recording all the Haunted eps for close scrutiny - I don't think it was a really good show - but he's good in it - and yay for the nekkid!I judge it in its own genre, not compared to Lost or other dramas and it's an hour I enjoy, with or without the nakedness. But the nekkid makes it all much, much better. :drool:

Luka Thanks for everything! You are great! And about haunted i watched couple of episodes, but it was showing late at night in my country,sooo even for Foxy i couldn/t watch this late. Shame on me!

I have an ever better excuse. I saw the first four episodes and then moved to a place where I didn't have a TV. I'm glad I can catch up.

squid, I'm sure you have plenty to add if you rewind with us. I remember you have mom's gift for details. :smile:

Daphne, you're fine, I think you can post the link here. Huff, I don't want you to think we were ignoring you, but I didn't know which actor you meant (there were two bearded ones :biggrin:) so I guess Daphne can help out with that if she posts the link.

Oh, and did I ever mention that my literary boyfriend Philip Marlowe, who Foxy really, really must play just as a favor to me, is described as having a nice bumpy nose, which got that way from playing college football. Seriously. It's fate, right? Won't someone out there validate my sad, pathetic hopes?

Is there an Untitled Phillip Marlowe project out there? Somebody should call Steve McPherson and get the scoop on that. ;)

We get more shirtlessness from Frank in the first 15 minutes than we do from Jack in 3 entire seasons. What the hell is up with that? Does anyone know if this keeps up? Because if it does, this show's cancelation violates my human rights and I'm suing someone. Hey! I'm glad it was cancelled. And no, it doesn't really keep from what I remember. BUT. He does get tied up to a bed...

alicou22

09-27-2007, 11:45 AM

With all of the season premieres going on this week, I have become accutely aware that we have another 4 months til Lost. I know it will be worth it when we get there...to have non-stop Lost will be great....but for now I am missing it...esp with every other show starting up again. I spent the summer watching season 3 over & over & over. I guess I will start that up again. I almost want to start again at season 1. Maybe that will get me thru the time.

1DocLover

09-27-2007, 11:55 AM

Here's the link -

http://tv.msn.com/tv/tvfeature/comebackkids-1?GT1=7707

Click on Jack's picture and there's a nice biography. :)

Doc

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-27-2007, 12:01 PM

suzzzette

09-27-2007, 12:16 PM

Majandra

09-27-2007, 01:05 PM

Pikki having sex? Ewww. Excuse me while I pour bleach in my eyes. Also - I really don't remember Jack having such a large tent. Did we ever really see his tent before this?

DId he sleep in his tent when Kate drugged him at the end of S1? But he was living in the cages back then, so he probably didn't have a tent at the beach...

And they cut a Pikki sex scene... damn... I wanted to see Paulo shirtless...

yas_m

09-27-2007, 01:09 PM

DId he sleep in his tent when Kate drugged him at the end of S1? But he was living in the cages back then, so he probably didn't have a tent at the beach...

Freudian hussy slip there Maja? ;) Jack in cage.... I knew there was a reason why I loved SIASL :biggrin:

I don't think we'd seen his tent before. S1 he was in the caves and s2 he spent most of it in the hatch, and the one we saw later in s3 in Catch 22 was a very small one compared to the one where Pikki were having sex. You think Claire warned him and he had to burn that thing down? :p

Claudia815

09-27-2007, 01:16 PM

I just found some parts of it kind of incoherent. Like the scene in the hospital - he starts talking about the babysitter and the boy and I just had no idea what he was talking about. And then they show him with this blond woman at this house he's living at - who the heck was she? They really don't make it clear.

Huh? Oh... wait. You actually paid attention to the plot. :hypocrit: But I think the teenage boy at the beginning was the babysitter.

You think Claire warned him and he had to burn that thing down? :p

LMAO! Unlike Nikki, I'm not surprised that Paulo adopted the "close your eyes and think of Jack" strategy. Was this visual (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/getjackxd6.jpg)ever more appropriate? (Thanks to Papper_Docka) Nikki has more than enough reasons to be all bummed out there at the end. "No Jack?" :(

suzzzette

09-27-2007, 01:24 PM

Huh? Oh... wait. You actually paid attention to the plot. :hypocrit: But I think the teenage boy at the beginning was the babysitter.

Well, I was trying really hard to be a good girl - and I've really been resisting the urge to watch that shower scene a few hundred times. I can resist. I think. Yeah...no way I can resist.

LMAO! Unlike Nikki, I'm not surprised that Paulo adopted the "close your eyes and think of Jack" strategy. Was this visual (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/getjackxd6.jpg)ever more appropriate? (Thanks to Papper_Docka) Nikki has more than enough reasons to be all bummed out there at the end. "No Jack?" :(

I just love the whole concept of Jack's tent being so sexually inspiring. I'm sure its all that repressed sexual energy that poor man has pent up. I really hope that he gets some lovin' on the island during season 4. If ever there was anyone on that island that needs to get laid - its Jack.

workingmom

09-27-2007, 01:36 PM

but I couldn't help but notice in the TTLG clip that the nurse at the dispensary says she'll have to call Jack's dad's office to see if the scrip is valid. I thought that was a little odd, that it perhaps indicated that Christian was known to her.

In my experience when someone well known dies, word gets around pretty quick... so why wouldn't she know he was dead? I just think there's something fishy with the ff in relation to Jack and his storyline... anyone out there able to help me out???

She's a pharmacist in some LA-area drug store. LA is big...huge. I think the odds of any one pharmacist knowing a single doctor in the area has died, 2 years before yet, are pretty remote. Unless he's using a pharmacy directly connected to the hospital. Which I doubt because, well, Jack really needs a fix and he's not stupid. I think she casually mentioned calling the office because, you know, there's the phone number on the perscription.

What I think is interesting about this scene, and the entire episode really, is that it kind of shows you Jack's drug-scoring techniques. He forges perscriptions, he steals drugs. He probably staggered right out of that drugstore and into another and got what he was after.

TSTID
Hey, squid! :wavey:Missed you! What TSTID said, plus it was necessary to maintain the illusion that this was a flashback, in a time frame where we'd have expected Christian to be alive, like in Jack's other flashbacks. It's the same with his convo w/ Dr. Hammill when he says "go upstairs and see if my father if more drunk than me." (ducks from Dany). It lets the viewer assume it's back in the day. But Dr. Hammill kind of rolls his eyes like "someone call for a psych consult" and "how can I get rid of this guy before he damages a patient."

Foxy portrayed a drug-seeking addict much better than Dr. House, I must say.

I just found some parts of it kind of incoherent. Like the scene in the hospital - he starts talking about the babysitter and the boy and I just had no idea what he was talking about. And then they show him with this blond woman at this house he's living at - who the heck was she? They really don't make it clear.
Like Clauds clarified, he was talking about the case of a missing boy as soon as he came to - and his ex-wife is an assistant D.A. so they get to be involved in the same cases. Confusing, though.
I don't think the blonde at his office is ever seen again. I thought she was the obligatory nail-filing secretary that all private eyes on TV seem to have, but she turned out not to be. Someone said she was the dog walker.

squid

09-27-2007, 02:01 PM

Hey, squid! :wavey:Missed you! What TSTID said, plus it was necessary to maintain the illusion that this was a flashback, in a time frame where we'd have expected Christian to be alive, like in Jack's other flashbacks. It's the same with his convo w/ Dr. Hammill when he says "go upstairs and see if my father if more drunk than me." (ducks from Dany). It lets the viewer assume it's back in the day. But Dr. Hammill kind of rolls his eyes like "someone call for a psych consult" and "how can I get rid of this guy before he damages a patient."

Foxy portrayed a drug-seeking addict much better than Dr. House, I must say.

Hey, back at ya, :wavey: workingmom. Thanks, too, for the clarification, I'd forgotten about the exchange with Dr. Hammill... Yepper, no doubt about it Jack is seriously messed up.. but he does it with such intensity and style... it is so weird, MF is such a great actor that you love his portrayal and hate where the character is right now all at the same time...
squid

Majandra

09-27-2007, 02:26 PM

Freudian hussy slip there Maja? ;) Jack in cage.... I knew there was a reason why I loved SIASL :biggrin:

Oups... :9:

You caught me.
I've been a bad girl.
I need to be punished.
I need to be locked up.
In a cage. (or a cave?)
with Jack.

lauradc1980

09-27-2007, 03:59 PM

I just love the whole concept of Jack's tent being so sexually inspiring. I'm sure its all that repressed sexual energy that poor man has pent up. I really hope that he gets some lovin' on the island during season 4. If ever there was anyone on that island that needs to get laid - its Jack.

Haha! The same way Locke had a sweat lodge tent in Further Instructions' (described by Locke as a place where anybody who wants can go in there, light a fire, get it nice and hot, and meditate), they can have a tent in the island, and this would be Jack's. You know, you get inside, you meditate (daydream about him), and with the visual images you get, you get warm and hot.

Could be useful :biggrin:

(Even if it would be more useful if then Jack did something to cool you down)

suzzzette

09-27-2007, 05:10 PM

According to this (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/27/hamby.mccain.bus/) article, John McCain is a Foxhussy!

The man has good taste!

Maxum

09-27-2007, 10:02 PM

*puts on Devil's Advocate cap* Well, this was a major blow to Locke as well. And again... if you judge him by a SANE's persons standards of behavior... you're not going to get anywhere. But Locke prioritizes and I think he knew Boone was already dead the same way Jack knew he couldn't save him. Is it callous of Locke? Yes. But he thinks he's doing it all "for the greater good", they were all brought there for a reason, etc. At the same time, his faith is rattled by the incident if you look at where he is at the end of DEM and then a light comes on (Desmond going to the loo probably) and he's found his way again. So it makes no difference to Locke if he's holding Boone's hand or not (I think he genuinely cared for the kid, but his affections mean nothing when the Island gets jealous), he's got a job to do. The second part, about the lying is more troubling, but it's motivated by the same factors. Locke believes in his special destiny on the island and thinks telling the others about the hatch will compromise everything. I have no idea if this is something he's reasoned by himself or the Island or the whacky paste "told" him.

Again, callous, but knowing that he refers to Boone later as "the sacrifice the island demanded" (:biggrin:), not at all surprising coming from Locke.

I do, actually, agree with you. He loves his island, and I'm sure that he felt that Boone was lost. I guess there's some merit to the fact that he took the time to BRING Boone to Jack. However, it's sad that Locke lied to Jack. It just seemed that it forced Boone to suffer more than he needed to.

Locke has got some 'splainin to do.

Hey, to answer Damon and Carlton's question the way Daphne did, I would take him in a bar, I would take him in a car... I'm not picky. ;) They were joking around, but all that said to me was that Jack's going to be around for a long, long time. As it should be.

Of course, it IS the Jack show. :biggrin:

Hey guys, don't miss Haunted (http://www.scifi.com/haunted/)which starts tonight on SciFi channel at 10pm Eastern. This is a series from 2002 in which Foxy stars as a private eye, ex-cop, who nearly dies and goes over to the "other side" for a few minutes. Afterwards he starts to experience weird moments where the dead communicate with him in various ways. His ex-wife actually cares a lot about him (unlike other ex-wives playing opposite Foxy), and they're apparently divorced in the aftermath of their little son having been kidnapped. He's carrying around a lot of guilt and it's a lot of Foxy playing a tortured soul that he does so well.

I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT ABOUT IT!!!!! :mad:

maman, you forgot this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/mat5.jpg) and this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/3hourtour246.jpg)and this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/haunshower.jpg)and this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/Haunted.jpg) and a little bit of that (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/last-call352.jpg).

Please tell me that all of this was NOT in the first episode, that I FAILED to tape last night. :frown:

Claudia815

09-27-2007, 10:18 PM

Oups... :9:

You caught me.
I've been a bad girl.
I need to be punished.
I need to be locked up.
In a cage. (or a cave?)
with Jack.

I wouldn't wish on a cage. Aside from the dried up bear poop, the cameras and the general filth, Jack just can't be kept in one. Took him about ten hours to break out of his cage without breaking a sweat and I can only speak for myself, but ten hours? Not enough. :3: If you ignore the dessicated corpses and the geological instability, I'd say the caves are a much better option...

Haha! The same way Locke had a sweat lodge tent in Further Instructions' (described by Locke as a place where anybody who wants can go in there, light a fire, get it nice and hot, and meditate), they can have a tent in the island, and this would be Jack's. You know, you get inside, you meditate (daydream about him), and with the visual images you get, you get warm and hot.

OK, first of all... :clapping: You remembered an actual quote from that episode. :ntworthy: and oh, yes... Jack's sweat lodge is cooler though, seeing how it cures impotence. It's the residual mojo (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/magazines/0725257E0.jpg), that's why.

According to this (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/27/hamby.mccain.bus/) article, John McCain is a Foxhussy!

The man has good taste!

Seriously, what is it about today? I knew he had the audience cooing, but this is too much. :lol2:

Please tell me that all of this was NOT in the first episode, that I FAILED to tape last night. :frown:

The gratuitous naked angsting on the hospital bed is from the Pilot, but everything else is still in your hussy future, don't worry. :biggrin:

Do any hussies play the piano? I found the sheet music for "Life Taken Life Given" (aka, Jack's theme) but it's all Phoenician to me so if you're interested, I'll go save the gifs.

workingmom

09-27-2007, 10:32 PM

Do any hussies play the piano? I found the sheet music for "Life Taken Life Given" (aka, Jack's theme) but it's all Phoenician to me so if you're interested, I'll go save the gifs.
Hand it over. I can play "Heart and Soul" way better than Sarah :mad: and more importantly, I can read Phoenician music. Maybe TSTID and I can work up a duet.

shoegirl

09-27-2007, 11:30 PM

Hand it over. I can play "Heart and Soul" way better than Sarah :mad: and more importantly, I can read Phoenician music. Maybe TSTID and I can work up a duet.

Mom,

I'd pay to see that duet on youtube. :biggrin:

I choose Jack!

shoe

yas_m

09-28-2007, 02:13 AM

I wouldn't wish on a cage. Aside from the dried up bear poop, the cameras and the general filth, Jack just can't be kept in one. Took him about ten hours to break out of his cage without breaking a sweat and I can only speak for myself, but ten hours? Not enough. :3: If you ignore the dessicated corpses and the geological instability, I'd say the caves are a much better option...

I am no so sure about the caves either. The whole geological instability can cause a problem if anything happened in said cave that could cause a cave in and you'd end up stuck wi... oh wait...never mind :hypocrit:

Do any hussies play the piano? I found the sheet music for "Life Taken Life Given" (aka, Jack's theme) but it's all Phoenician to me so if you're interested, I'll go save the gifs.bummer... I can read Phoenician, but not the musical type :p

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-28-2007, 10:47 AM

Pikki having sex? Ewww. Excuse me while I pour bleach in my eyes. Also - I really don't remember Jack having such a large tent. Did we ever really see his tent before this?

I remember seeing it in Season 1, when Jack goes nighty night in his tent after Kate drugs his juice. He can't even lie down in it all the way. It's so small, his legs are sticking out.

He must have upgraded, or had someone help him build a grown up one.

TSTID

Claudia815

09-28-2007, 11:23 AM

Mom,

I'd pay to see that duet on youtube. :biggrin:

Oh, yes, please! Let me lay the first stone at the foundation of the great hussy orchestra:

Life Taken (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/lifetaken1.jpg)

Life Given (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/lifegiven.jpg)

I love it so much, I might have to teach myself to play it by ear, the way Matthew Fox probably did for TMFT. Well, he might have had a piano teacher for the sake of expediency... Think she was harsh? Dammit... why can't you steer clear of the gutter for one second, brain? :chair:

I just love the whole concept of Jack's tent being so sexually inspiring. I'm sure its all that repressed sexual energy that poor man has pent up. I really hope that he gets some lovin' on the island during season 4. If ever there was anyone on that island that needs to get laid - its Jack.

True. Well, before they died, I'd say Bonnie and Greta were definitely first in line and Ben, Locke and Danielle followed shortly behind, but Jack's somewhere there in the top five.

I remember seeing it in Season 1, when Jack goes nighty night in his tent after Kate drugs his juice. He can't even lie down in it all the way. It's so small, his legs are sticking out.

He must have upgraded, or had someone help him build a grown up one.

Was that his tent in The Greater Good? I just rewatched the episode for the rewind so I should probably know, but I thought that was just the closest spot where Kate could get him to lay down. Speaking of which...

"You... drugged me? OK..." :lol2:

And I think the reason we didn't get to see the miracle Viagra Tent after FI was not because Claire told Jack and he burned it down, but because word got out and more male island dwellers wanted some of that mojo magic. It became public property and when he returned to the beach he was happy to move somewhere else.

workingmom

09-28-2007, 12:12 PM

Oh, yes, please! Let me lay the first stone at the foundation of the great hussy orchestra:

Life Taken (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/lifetaken1.jpg)

Life Given (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/lifegiven.jpg)

:73happy: :hug: Thank you thank you thank you! But this is the "Jack theme" or the "Death theme", that poignant theme played at the funerals and during the Exodus boarding-the-plane flashbacks and so on. But I'm thrilled to have it. Maybe that will egg me on to work out the chords Jack was playing.

Claudia815

09-28-2007, 05:44 PM

:73happy: :hug: Thank you thank you thank you! But this is the "Jack theme" or the "Death theme", that poignant theme played at the funerals and during the Exodus boarding-the-plane flashbacks and so on. But I'm thrilled to have it. Maybe that will egg me on to work out the chords Jack was playing.

Oh, sorry for the confusion. The TMFT song is a variation of the Jack theme but it's pretty distinct, a different song. This Jack theme and "Win One For The Reaper" are similar though, or so someone who plays the piano claims. It's just a few notes (I'm clueless, obviously).

Yes, please do figure out the notes. We're really looking forward to your YouTube performance. :biggrin:

Elizabeth Mitchell is making us proud again with her hussy ways on the ATOTC commentary. I love that she's such a fangirl, she's practically squeeing about Jack pulling on those chains... ;) I need to rewatch Born To Run for the rewind, but to tell you the truth... I'd rather be rewatching that chain action (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/twocitiescap-0224.jpg), in Elizabeth's honor of course. :angelnot:

Forever_Erica

09-28-2007, 08:42 PM

lauradc1980

09-29-2007, 10:29 AM

Hey my fellow Hussies!

I'm here to share a Jack video. It's called "Just Like You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdwxGdtm_IM)" and it's basically a dedication to our two favorite screwed-up doctors on television (sorry, but House didn't make the cut this time lol).

ENJOY! Have a great weekend everyone! :biggrin:

Erica

This one is great Erica! LOVE IT, thanks a lot for shating :hug:

I think I'll never stop loving the interaction between Jack and Christian, their relationship is just amazing.

iorwen

09-29-2007, 12:03 PM

Claudia815

09-29-2007, 12:55 PM

First things first...

HAPPY UNBIRTHDAY, TSTID! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg)

Enjoy your present and your unbirthday and come back because you still owe us trench musings and I want to see you struggle through an illustrated review of Homecoming. Maybe another poem is in order? :biggrin:

Just in the FB... Actually, I just uploaded this Deleted Scene... So run to see our sweety, sexy and sensitive Doctor to the Rescue (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u6PToou8LZY)!

That is a creepy child... I don't know why they cut her out of the Hydra in particular... This wouldn't be the first time we'd debate about whether it was Smokey or Jack was hallucinating. He would have been able to rationalize it again since he was passed out, drugged up and dehydrated, but it's interesting. "Don't trust her"? What kind of kid says that about her teacher to a perfect stranger?

Oh and this is a perfect illustration of everything I feel about this flashback. Do I feel sorry for Sarah that Jack's stalking her? Um... no. In fact, I continue to be amazed at how she acts as if he's just crazy and has no reason to suffer and ask himself what is so wrong with him and what that other guy has that he doesn't. Because it's not like she cheated on him while she was trying to have a child with him or anything... Does she feel they're even because he was tempted to kiss another woman? Maybe she thinks that's enough and so she doesn't owe him anything anymore. I don't have the same passionate hatered for Sarah that some of you have (even though I wouldn't be heartbroken if Edmund's bus made a stop by her school), I'm just... I don't get her.

It's not what Jack does to Sarah that I find so sad and a tad disturbing, it's what he does to himself. And he's so bad at lying.

it's basically a dedication to our two favorite screwed-up doctors on television (sorry, but House didn't make the cut this time lol).

He's somewhere there in the top five for me. Juliet comes slightly ahead along with Jack and Christian.

Perdue

09-29-2007, 04:21 PM

That was a very long scene to cut. I'd love to know why they wrote it and then why they cut it. It seems to contain some important details about Sarah and Jack's relationship.

And happy birthday TSTID!

hellybongo

09-29-2007, 04:44 PM

I love Jack's expression when he first sees the girl...so much concern. Into doctor mode instantly.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TSTID!!!!:birthday:
Hope you have a good day!

lauradc1980

09-29-2007, 05:05 PM

:bdaygrin::bdaygrin::bdaygrin:First thing: Happy birthday TSTID!!!!!!!!!! :bdaygrin: :bdaygrin::bdaygrin:

Now, the fanart. I've made three more Jack banners, so in case you're interested you can check them HERE (http://polvodestrella.livejournal.com/28154.html#cutid1)

Maxum

09-29-2007, 05:19 PM

First things first...

HAPPY UNBIRTHDAY, TSTID! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, TSTID!!!! :biggrin:

That is a creepy child... I don't know why they cut her out of the Hydra in particular... This wouldn't be the first time we'd debate about whether it was Smokey or Jack was hallucinating. He would have been able to rationalize it again since he was passed out, drugged up and dehydrated, but it's interesting. "Don't trust her"? What kind of kid says that about her teacher to a perfect stranger? It seems as if they were going in one direction with regard to Jack and this little girl, and then changed their minds. The fact that the two scenes in which this girl supposedly appeared has been deleted tells me that they either changed their minds or might use her later in the storytelling. I'll admit, I'm intrigued as to what they had planned.

Oh and this is a perfect illustration of everything I feel about this flashback. Do I feel sorry for Sarah that Jack's stalking her? Um... no. In fact, I continue to be amazed at how she acts as if he's just crazy and has no reason to suffer and ask himself what is so wrong with him and what that other guy has that he doesn't. Because it's not like she cheated on him while she was trying to have a child with him or anything... Does she feel they're even because he was tempted to kiss another woman? Maybe she thinks that's enough and so she doesn't owe him anything anymore. I don't have the same passionate hatered for Sarah that some of you have (even though I wouldn't be heartbroken if Edmund's bus made a stop by her school), I'm just... I don't get her. LOL! I wouldn't mind Edmund's bus doing a fly-by myself.

It's not what Jack does to Sarah that I find so sad and a tad disturbing, it's what he does to himself. And he's so bad at lying. VERY well said, Claudia. You know, I think that's what upsets me most about Jack with Sarah :mad:. I can pretty much dismiss her as a heartless, cold witch, but it is disturbing what Jack will do to himself in an effort to repair something that went wrong. Why Jack feels the need to repair anything with that woman instead of running with joy to the nearest singles bar in celebration is beyond me, but Jack does tend to torture himself.

I really hope there is SOME happiness for Jack before Lost ends. (My gut says no :frown:.)

That was a very long scene to cut. I'd love to know why they wrote it and then why they cut it. It seems to contain some important details about Sarah and Jack's relationship.

Actually, I think it's the same old, same old, which is probably why it got cut. We already knew from the previous scene with Jack in the car that he was watching her. I really don't need to watch another scene where Sarah :mad: acts all disgusted and bothered that Jack wants to fix the marriage. Like Claudia said, she acts like HE was the unfaithful partner.

The only interesting part of that scene was the little girl, and since they deleted the scene where Jack supposedly saw her in the Hydra tank (if that's the same girl and the correct scene), then it makes sense that they would delete this scene too.

Just my opinion, of course.:biggrin:

Perdue

09-29-2007, 05:33 PM

Actually, I think it's the same old, same old, which is probably why it got cut. We already knew from the previous scene with Jack in the car that he was watching her. I really don't need to watch another scene where Sarah :mad: acts all disgusted and bothered that Jack wants to fix the marriage. Like Claudia said, she acts like HE was the unfaithful partner.
I respectfully disagree. I think it was a really moving contrast between the Sarah who fell in love with the doctor who fixed her and now how she feels about that same doctor who is still fixing things and saving lives. What once made her love him now just makes her angry. I would have liked to have seen this scene much much more than the scene we actually did see with him in the car watching her.

georgiapeach81

09-29-2007, 05:36 PM

Happy Birthday, TSTID!

shoegirl

09-29-2007, 06:47 PM

TSTID,

Celebrate Like There's No Tomorrow. :75happy: :lol2: :clap: :Jumpy: :happy_bounce:

Happy Happy Birthday. :hapybday: :party: :hb2:

The Den wouldn't be the same without ya!

WE choose Jack!

shoe

Forever_Erica

09-29-2007, 06:54 PM

:hapybday: :hb2: HAPPY UN-BIRTHDAY TSTID! :bdaygrin: :hapybday:

I hope that you have a wonderful day!

Erica

Laurie P

09-29-2007, 08:15 PM

I think it was a really moving contrast between the Sarah who fell in love with the doctor who fixed her and now how she feels about that same doctor who is still fixing things and saving lives. What once made her love him now just makes her angry. I would have liked to have seen this scene much much more than the scene we actually did see with him in the car watching her.
I agree - but sometimes TPTB delete scenes not because they are unimportant, but because they give away too much that they would rather just be hinted at for the time being. I think the scene got cut because the little girl told Jack not to trust Sarah. How did she know to say that? That's not something you would expect to hear from a child you just met.

Perdue

09-29-2007, 08:58 PM

I agree - but sometimes TPTB delete scenes not because they are unimportant, but because they give away too much that they would rather just be hinted at for the time being. I think the scene got cut because the little girl told Jack not to trust Sarah. How did she know to say that? That's not something you would expect to hear from a child you just met.
That's a good point. And if that child is the same child that Jack was supposed to have seen in the hydra again saying, "Don't trust her," then it would give away something that we still don't quite understand. They could have just cut out the kid part, however, and shown us Jack being in doctor mode and how Sarah now reacts to that. I liked the way this scene showed us Jack's state of mind contrasting with that of Sarah's better than I did the scene we got of him in the car. But that's just my opinion.

workingmom

09-29-2007, 09:29 PM

:holiday: :party: Happy Un-Birthday, TSTID!:hb2:
:bdaygrin: I wonder what's in the box. :bdaywink:

Lostinjate22

09-29-2007, 10:49 PM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, TSTID:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: :biggrin:
:hapybday::party::hapybday::hb2::hapybday::party:: hapybday:

Claudia815

09-30-2007, 12:52 AM

Laurie and Lij, welcome back! :hug:

I agree - but sometimes TPTB delete scenes not because they are unimportant, but because they give away too much that they would rather just be hinted at for the time being. I think the scene got cut because the little girl told Jack not to trust Sarah. How did she know to say that? That's not something you would expect to hear from a child you just met.

There was a lot cut from this episode from what I understand. JJ's return probably meant he had a lot of ideas and only one hour to set up the whole season. They did leave in the voices Jack hears on that broken interphone, but I guess that's vague enough to be left in whereas the creepy little girl wasn't. Maxum, I tend to believe they changed their minds on the apparition of the little girl. Maybe they felt it was redundant because Jack's already hallucinated Christian in the jungle (or so he thinks). I think they're done with the Others and they wrapped that up so there's not point of going back to her. Smokey is still one of the biggest mysteries on the show though so at least his first set of visions can still be explained that way.

VERY well said, Claudia. You know, I think that's what upsets me most about Jack with Sarah :mad:. I can pretty much dismiss her as a heartless, cold witch, but it is disturbing what Jack will do to himself in an effort to repair something that went wrong. Why Jack feels the need to repair anything with that woman instead of running with joy to the nearest singles bar in celebration is beyond me

:lol2: Well, Sarah acts like it's all his fault and he believes it. IMO, it has nothing to do with her and the self-centered attention*** she is, but with how dysfunctional Jack is and why he's screwed up in the first place. It just so happens that her personality and her flaws fit his like toxic puzzle pieces. Jack needs someone to lovingly smack him sometimes (:headslap:) but Sarah is practically an enabler for the way he punishes himself because she has yet to acknowledge that she played any part in the failure of their marriage. Maybe that's why her and Christian were such good pals.:holiday: :party: Happy Un-Birthday, TSTID!:hb2:
:bdaygrin: I wonder what's in the box. :bdaywink:

Possibly Frank wearing a trenchcoat and not much else. ;) Yes, it is her UNbirthday, but we'll celebrate it whenever she decides to celebrate it. :bdaygrin:

oochie

09-30-2007, 04:40 AM

:hapybday:

Happy Un-Birthday, TSTID

:bdaygrin: :party:

Majandra

09-30-2007, 05:57 AM

That's a good point. And if that child is the same child that Jack was supposed to have seen in the hydra again saying, "Don't trust her," then it would give away something that we still don't quite understand. They could have just cut out the kid part, however, and shown us Jack being in doctor mode and how Sarah now reacts to that. I liked the way this scene showed us Jack's state of mind contrasting with that of Sarah's better than I did the scene we got of him in the car. But that's just my opinion.

Maybe it was simply a time issue. Sometimes the episodes get too long and scenes have to be cut and TPTB decided that this scene wasn't so important or could be told at a later time. :shrug:

And as a general reminder:
I know you all hate Sarah (although I can't really understand why) but could we please keep a civil tongue when talking about her?

Thank you.

1DocLover

09-30-2007, 09:34 AM

:party: Party like a bloody rock God, TSID!!

Take Care,

Doc

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

09-30-2007, 11:56 AM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).

Incidentally, on the subject of the "Doctor to the Rescue" scene. I think they cut it because it's pretty pointless. I agree with Perdue that they key bit of sadness to the whole Jack/Sarah debacle is that what she once loved in him, she now loathes in him. But I think we've seen that, no place better than in "The Hunting Party" (at least that's what I think), so it's inherently retread here. And the kid isn't a very good actress, and it just adds a layer of unexplained weird that upsets what comes later in the episode. The whole part about him obsessively wanting her back and wanting to know why. If he's already told "don't trust her" by a creepy kid, and he hears her and pays attention, why bother with all of that other stuff.

I like the part where Jack is trying to cover up the reason he's there. He's evasive and I enjoy seeing him off guard like that. But other than that, I don't find it that good a scene and it seems like it's an easy cut.

TSTID

workingmom

09-30-2007, 04:12 PM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: "Yours is nothing to sneeze at, either." :rotflmao2:

Incidentally, on the subject of the "Doctor to the Rescue" scene. I think they cut it because it's pretty pointless. I agree with Perdue that they key bit of sadness to the whole Jack/Sarah debacle is that what she once loved in him, she now loathes in him. But I think we've seen that, no place better than in "The Hunting Party" (at least that's what I think), so it's inherently retread here. And the kid isn't a very good actress, and it just adds a layer of unexplained weird that upsets what comes later in the episode. The whole part about him obsessively wanting her back and wanting to know why. If he's already told "don't trust her" by a creepy kid, and he hears her and pays attention, why bother with all of that other stuff.

I like the part where Jack is trying to cover up the reason he's there. He's evasive and I enjoy seeing him off guard like that. But other than that, I don't find it that good a scene and it seems like it's an easy cut.

TSTID

She and Molly the little Hero could team up and wipe out the planet with their devious ways and habits of talking sass to adults.

Back last summer people got all excited about this now-deleted scene because some spoiler pictures came out about it. So see what indulging in spoilers will get you - nowhere.

Claudia815

09-30-2007, 04:12 PM

:toot: Attention Denizens! Lovey and I are working on a project and we'd greatly appreciate your help. We'll tell you more when we've got more details, but for now I'm going to go back to the Jackademy Awards we hosted this year and search for some of your posts for thoughts on Dr.Jack and why he's this harem's our TV boyfriend. I hope you don't mind.

In addition, if you could help us make a list of your favorite Jack Show moments, we'll be your humble servants for life. Or at least until February. You don't have to write essays on it... or you can if you want to. You know we keep things relaxed here. Just give us a list of your favorite Jack Show moments. Can be 5 or 10 or however many you can think of this week.

Our little project is going to look great with your participation and it's for a good cause. :kisss:

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).

"I am..." :roflmao: Even I get that look on my face when I look at Shannon's legs, no reason why Jack wouldn't...

I like the part where Jack is trying to cover up the reason he's there. He's evasive and I enjoy seeing him off guard like that.

He's a bad liar. He's good at bluffing, but not to people he loves.

Forever_Erica

09-30-2007, 04:15 PM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).

TSTID, you are just a RIOT. That ROCKED. Funniest rewind I have read in awhile. :biggrin:

Sayid: Jack, my friend, where are you going? This show is aimless and limp when you are not in it. Please don't leave us!
Jack: I don't really have anything manly to do in this one, so I decided to just go for a walk in the jungle instead.

LMAO! Ain't that the truth. Thanks again for tickling my funny-bone for the millionth time. ;)

In addition, if you could help us make a list of your favorite Jack Show moments, we'll be your humble servants for life.

Ooooohhh PROJECT! I love those! A list of favorite Jack Show moments huh? KEWL. I'll have my list ready ASAP. Thanks to you and Lovey for being such great hussies. :winkkiss:

Erica

Claudia815

09-30-2007, 04:35 PM

She and Molly the little Hero could team up and wipe out the planet with their devious ways and habits of talking sass to adults.

And over.enunciate. every. single. anvilicious. line. That's not fair to the creepy ATOTC little actress since she only had one line, but you know what I mean.

Thanks to you and Lovey for being such great hussies. :winkkiss:

Erica

It's such a chore... It really is. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/fwartclass.jpg)

shoegirl

09-30-2007, 05:44 PM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).

TSTID

:biggrin: :4: :78: :77: :69: :thumbsup:

Marvelous review darlin' Marvelous.

I Choose Dr. Sexy (http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/atlshoegirl/stranger-cap-374.jpg)!

Shoe

Just A Button

09-30-2007, 05:55 PM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm). :clapping: priceless. absolutely priceless :biggrin: you know that now we're expecting more reviews like this, right? ;)

hellybongo

10-01-2007, 04:32 AM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).

That made me smile in so many way - fantabulous review:biggrin:

yas_m

10-01-2007, 07:19 AM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).

wins at life!! :ntworthy:

:toot: Attention Denizens! Lovey and I are working on a project and we'd greatly appreciate your help. We'll tell you more when we've got more details, but for now I'm going to go back to the Jackademy Awards we hosted this year and search for some of your posts for thoughts on Dr.Jack and why he's this harem's our TV boyfriend. I hope you don't mind.

ooooh! sooper seekrit project! will get on that asap.

shamelessly stealing this from Laura.:redface:

m-f.net have the poster for Vantage Point up. pretty cool. (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/vantage-poster.jpg)

shoegirl

10-01-2007, 08:15 AM

wins at life!! :ntworthy:

ooooh! sooper seekrit project! will get on that asap.

shamelessly stealing this from Laura.:redface:

m-f.net have the poster for Vantage Point up. pretty cool. (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/vantage-poster.jpg)

Yas,

That's a very uber cool Vantage Point Poster. I'm so happy for Foxy and that he is really creating an awesome career for himself, and that his movies are showcasing his talent for playing different and varied characters. He's not just "playing Jack" when he makes a film.

Hey, it's a couple of our Denizens birthdays today.

A shoutout to Remus Lupin and Lulinha_K, Happy Birthday ya'll.

:hb2: :party: :holiday: :party:

I choose Dr. Delish

shoe

lauradc1980

10-01-2007, 08:31 AM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).

Oooh!!! I absolutelly enjoyed this, it's amazing!!!!! Thanks!!!!

In addition, if you could help us make a list of your favorite Jack Show moments, we'll be your humble servants for life.

Gotta love the project, I can feel it :biggrin:

Anyway, here's my personal favorite moments list. I don't know if this is what you're looking for, I hope I got this right.

- Fav. moment 1:
Episode: Pilot (Part I)
Description: Hurley asks Jack which is his name, Jack turns in the middle of the post-crash chaos and yells "Jack". It makes me shiver every time I rewatch it.

- Fav. moment 2:
Episode: White rabbit
Description: Jack cries in front of his father's body (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_bscap178.jpg). Without words Jack summarizes everything he feels for his dad.

- Fav. moment 3:
Episode:White rabbit
Description: Jack destroys the coffin (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_bscap205.jpg). Anger, frustration and desperation mixed in one scene, it's genious.

- Fav. moment 4:
Episode: White rabbit
Description: Jack's speech. I'll quote it:

It's been 6 days and we're all still waiting. Waiting for someone to come. But what if they don't? We have to stop waiting. We need to start figuring things out. A woman died this morning just going for a swim and he tried to save her, and now you're about to crucify him? We can't do this. Everyman for himself is not going to work. It's time to start organizing. We need to figure out how we're going to survive here. Now, I found water. Fresh water, up in the valley. I'll take a group in at first light. If you don't want to go come then find another way to contribute. Last week most of us were strangers, but we're all here now. And god knows how long we're going to be here. But if we can't live together, we're going to die alone.

- Fav. moment 5:
Episode: All the best cowboys have daddy issues
Description: Jack tries desperately so save Charlie's life under the rain. To me, this scene (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_daddy-issues0872.jpg) represents everything that Jack is.

- Fav. moment 6:
Episode: Do not harm
Description: Jack talking with Christian, sitting at the edge of the pool (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_donoharm529.jpg). We alrady commented this scene a few days ago, so I don't really have anything else to add, besides the fact that I love it :)

Fav. moment 7:
Episode: What Kate did
Description: Jack hugs Kate in the jungle, few seconds before kissing her (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_kate-cap414.jpg). I love the kiss on itself, but I love even more the seconds before it happens, when Jack hugs her tightly and wraps her comforting arms around her. You can feel the chemistry, and despite everything gong on the world stops for a second.

Fav. moment 8:
Episode: The Whole thruth
Description: Jack getting out of the shower (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_2x16-truth-cap187.jpg). The scene on itself is not important for the whole plot, but God, we get to see his amazing body, so this turns it into one of my favorite scenes!!!

Fav. moment 9:
Episode: Through the looking glass
Description: Jack and Sayid wish good look to each other (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/lost%20stills/normal_3x22-glass0094.jpg). To me, it's a very touching moment, and I love it for the simplicity of it.

Fav. moment 10:
Episode: Through the looking glass
Description: Jack beats Ben. As a Jack lover, I can not like this moment! (with he great close up of The Butt included (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/lareta_80/Matthew%20Fox/jack_beats_ben.jpg))

There's other moments I like, for instance when Jack holds Aaron in his hands, but those 10 are the ones that better describe Jack and his personality to me, and the ones that make me LOVE him and enjoy his character all the same.

Remus Lupin

10-01-2007, 08:48 AM

A shoutout to Remus Lupin and Lulinha_K, Happy Birthday ya'll.

:hb2: :party: :holiday: :party:

Thanks, shoe! :hug: :biggrin: Although I don't come around the Groups forums very often these days, I still love the Jack and the Foxhussies! :hug:

Claudia815

10-01-2007, 08:52 AM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg)to Luka and Remus! Treat yourselves to a fun day and have a kickbutt year. Luka, this year you brough us presents so thank you again for shortening our suffering. We'll try to make it up once we finally get something first (the new season).

Laura, that's perfect. Muchas gracias. :kisss: I thought I should ask so that even newer hussies who didn't vote for the Jack Show Awards can chime in. Which doesn't mean us old timers can't make our own lists, it spares me from doing the math by adding stuff from the old thread. :biggrin: Plus... in the meantime... TTLG aired... and a certain other flashback. *cough*

shamelessly stealing this from Laura.:redface:

m-f.net have the poster for Vantage Point up. pretty cool. (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g300/yas-m/vantage-poster.jpg)

Thanks babes!

Oh, gee, I wonder who the outlined guy with the gun might be? I'm sure it's Dennis Quaid. :rolleyes: I went to the movies yesterday and I was wondering if they're going to show another trailer, but they're not even advertizing Christmas movies yet, so it'll be a while. The old trailer is up on their site (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/vantagepoint/index.html). I watched it again just because I'm a bit addicted to that music.

It's Monday... Francesca, I have an idea for our Art Class... ;) but I'll let you guys pick the exhibit. :smart:

Dany_E

10-01-2007, 09:13 AM

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds (http://www.shamelesstourist.com/my_review_of_hearts_and_minds_by.htm).

TSTID

Excellent review, as usual, Boone (TSTID - Sorry Maj. It's habit...:redface: ) Who knew that Jack & Sayid had such a mutual-nasal-admiration society?

I understand I missed some celebration of your "un-birthday" too, Boone. I hope you had a great day. I also hope you'll continue to bring us some of the best laughs we get anywhere.

Here's the cake with the eyes in it...:hb2: I know I'M hungry.
100%
Thanks, shoe! :hug: :biggrin: Although I don't come around the Groups forums very often these days, I still love the Jack and the Foxhussies! :hug:

Happy Birthday, Remus. What are you, 16, now? Sweet 16...:cool:

Here, again, is the "eye" cake...:hb2:
100%
And finally, happy, happy birthday to Luka. Hope we see you soon, Lulu. We miss you.

:hb2:

hellybongo

10-01-2007, 11:01 AM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Remus and Luka!

Have a fantastic birthday :birthday:

georgiapeach81

10-01-2007, 12:35 PM

Happy Birthday Remus and Luka!

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-01-2007, 12:48 PM

Back last summer people got all excited about this now-deleted scene because some spoiler pictures came out about it. So see what indulging in spoilers will get you - nowhere.

That is why I have sworn off them. Not only can you not tell what's going on by looking at photos of scenes that are filming, but most of the other "spoilers" are made up out of whole cloth.

TSTID

Forever_Erica

10-01-2007, 02:04 PM

:hapybday: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO LUKA AND REMUS! :hapybday:

I hope that you two have a Foxylicious day!

lauradc1980

10-01-2007, 03:35 PM

Ooooh!!! It seems we're going to have a lot of birthday parties these days!!!!

:party:HAPPY B-DAY TO LUKA AND REMUS!!!:party:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-01-2007, 04:09 PM

Happy Birthday my Hussies, especially since it's probably actually your real birthday and not a bogus one like I had. Hope you have a wonderful day and get exactly what you want, because you deserve it. :biggrin:

TSTID

workingmom

10-01-2007, 04:50 PM

:hapybday: :holiday: Happy Birthday, Luka and Remus! :birthday: :party: :party:

Franci

10-01-2007, 04:56 PM

HAPPY B-DAY TO LUKA AND REMUS!!!
have agreat day guys! :party:

OK. I finally managed to get through it. Here is my rewind review of Hearts and Minds.
bwaha! priceless :ntworthy:

Attention Denizens! Lovey and I are working on a project

ZOMG! a project.me loves projects:clap: I'll definitely post my favorite moments.

It's Monday... Francesca, I have an idea for our Art Class... but I'll let you guys pick the exhibit.

me? :smart:

I've just finished watching TOTC again.first time I see it on the big tv screen.season3 started tonight here (yeah..ONE year later.unbelievable :undecide: ) I gotta say,I kinda hate LOST dubbed but luckily Jack's dubber is pretty good :kiss: deep voice....ghgh. not as deep as Foxy's but still. The best part of the eppy (muscles&chains) were not dubbed anyway,so it's all good. :hypocrit:

Claudia815

10-01-2007, 05:01 PM

ZOMG! a project.me loves projects:clap: I'll definitely post my favorite moments.

OK, then. Looking forward to that and I'm glad newer hussies or those who weren't around for the awards can contribute.

me? :smart:

Oh, yes. You.

:smart:This (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Vantage%20Point/vantage-set25.jpg), my esteemed fellow hussies, is our art exhibit of the day. We're past a long Monday at work in most timezones so let us feast our eyes (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Vantage%20Point/vpsetstrip.jpg)and enchant our soul with art.:smart:

The best part of the eppy (muscles&chains) were not dubbed anyway,so it's all good. :hypocrit:

I'll never be able to rewatch that episode without hearing Elizabeth Mitchell's voice squeeeeeeing like the hussy she is somewhere in the background.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-01-2007, 06:44 PM

Como se dice, "Slam me against the wall, cuff me, and book me!" en Espanol? :biggrin:

Oh, mi corazon!!! Ay carumba!

TSTID

Claudia815

10-01-2007, 11:18 PM

Como se dice, "Slam me against the wall, cuff me, and book me!" en Espanol? :biggrin:

Oh, mi corazon!!! Ay carumba!

I think we need Laura to wake up for the correct translation, but Slam me against the wall! Harder! I think I can manage... especially since Agent Taylor is not actually from Salamanca so I can scream in English and he'll get it. :3:

Have you ever had a theory confirmed? Ever interpreted something on Lost and were dead on and then were able to thumb your nose at the nonbelievers and be all snotty about it? Well, you're in this thread... so chances are it's happened a lot (Jack is eeeeeeeeevil and out to steal foetuses is but one example;))

Tonight, I am in that fortunate position of being able to have a theory confirmed (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=56257&highlight=Claudia815). That list is not even updated and guess who's missing? That's right... Tom, our cuddlybear Tom who is now officially a hussy. This is a quote from MC Gainey in the latest edition of the Lost Magazine:

Amongst all the darkness of season three, what's the funniest memory of the shoot?

M.C.: The funniest thing is that when they brought me back, the first scene I was in during the first episode was Kate in the shower. She said, "I'm not taking a shower in front of you," and I said, "Kate, you're not my type." Well, I'm sure you know what the blogs did from that moment on, so I began to try to play that [laughs]!

There wasn't much I could do for a while because I was a turnkey - most of what I did was lock them in cells, but I tried to flirt with Sawyer and certainly tried to flirt with Jack. I handled him with kid gloves and worshipped him and gazed at him from afar. There wasn't much I got to do with it, but it was in my thoughts, I began to think that way, and I looked at Jack that way. He wasn't just a prisoner; he was Jack. It's not hard to play that because Matthew is a really dynamic guy. He's got that charisma thing that everyone on the island agrees with. If Kate's not Tom's type then Jack is! Tom's attraction to Jack got me through the first half of the season [laughs]!

Obviously, I need to take Claire off the list, ASAP. We've done the Boone/Shannon thing already.

Give it up for a fellow hussy! :clapping: Elizabeth outed herself as one a long time ago so in her case it wasn't exactly news...

My newest theory? Sawyer was just eliminating the competition (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/dudeyoureembarrassing.jpg) when he gunned down Tom. Clingy much?

Majandra

10-02-2007, 04:32 AM

Have you ever had a theory confirmed? Ever interpreted something on Lost and were dead on and then were able to thumb your nose at the nonbelievers and be all snotty about it?

Yes! Yes! Me! Here!!! *bounces*

Oh wait that was only a rhetorical question?

My newest theory? Sawyer was just eliminating the competition (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/dudeyoureembarrassing.jpg) when he gunned down Tom. Clingy much?

Totally... there was no other reason. And I'm the girl with the mind-reading laser pointed at her head so it MUST be true!!!

:24:

lulinha_k

10-02-2007, 11:48 AM

A shoutout to Remus Lupin and Lulinha_K, Happy Birthday ya'll.

:hb2: :party: :party:

I choose Dr. Delish

shoe

And finally, happy, happy birthday to Luka. Hope we see you soon, Lulu. We miss you.

:hb2:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Remus and Luka!

Have a fantastic birthday

Happy Birthday Remus and Luka!

:hapybday: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO LUKA AND REMUS!

I hope that you two have a Foxylicious day!

Ooooh!!! It seems we're going to have a lot of birthday parties these days!!!!

:party:HAPPY B-DAY TO LUKA AND REMUS!!!:party:

:hapybday: Happy Birthday, Luka and Remus! :birthday: :party:

HAPPY B-DAY TO LUKA AND REMUS!!!

have agreat day guys! :party:
Owwwwwwwww thank you ´hussies! You´re all made of awesome! :group:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg)to Luka and Remus! Treat yourselves to a fun day and have a kickbutt year. Luka, this year you brough us presents so thank you again for shortening our suffering. We'll try to make it up once we finally get something first (the new season).

OMG Clauds! I loved the gift! Há! :73happy: :jump1: :clap:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-02-2007, 12:13 PM

Have you ever had a theory confirmed? Ever interpreted something on Lost and were dead on and then were able to thumb your nose at the nonbelievers and be all snotty about it? Well, you're in this thread... so chances are it's happened a lot (Jack is eeeeeeeeevil and out to steal foetuses is but one example;))

You mean my theory that Jack was conceived on the island when Christian was working for Dharma back in the 60s, thereby somehow gaining some of its special powers of healing, therefore being inextricably tied to/linked with the island, and doomed to return there and stay forever, thus somehow saving the world from Something Bad? No. I haven't.

I was rock solid certain that he was not evil and instead trying to pick Juliet's brain about what the Others were up to.

It's not hard to play that because Matthew is a really dynamic guy. He's got that charisma thing that everyone on the island agrees with. If Kate's not Tom's type then Jack is! Tom's attraction to Jack got me through the first half of the season [laughs]!

Yeah, well line forms behind me, big boy. You'll have to take a number like everyone else.

Clingy much?

Jack's like, "Um, OK, nice to see you. OK, I missed you to. OK, you can let go now...I gotta go see Sun about a trowel, so..."

TSTID

Claudia815

10-02-2007, 12:44 PM

OMG Clauds! I loved the gift! Há! :73happy: :jump1: :clap:
I didn't make it, flyer did, but the red bow is very appropriate for us. ;)

You mean my theory that Jack was conceived on the island when Christian was working for Dharma back in the 60s, thereby somehow gaining some of its special powers of healing, therefore being inextricably tied to/linked with the island, and doomed to return there and stay forever, thus somehow saving the world from Something Bad? No. I haven't.

Oh, give it time. :biggrin: I would seriously like to see a real Dharma fb, not the kiddie romance we got so far, but I don't know if they're going to go there. I'm curious though... would Margo still be his mother?

I was rock solid certain that he was not evil and instead trying to pick Juliet's brain about what the Others were up to.

I remember replying to one of the Juliet is Ev0l and totally duped Jack threads and saying "So... where's the story with that? He finds out and he's... very disappointed in her?" and lo and behold Elizabeth Mitchell is saying the same thing basically in her interview.

Yeah, well line forms behind me, big boy. You'll have to take a number like everyone else.

I think the line forms behind EM. I'll miss Tom so much, I hope he plays a big part if we ever get that Dharma flashback. Rewatching THP will be even more fun now...

Jack's like, "Um, OK, nice to see you. OK, I missed you to. OK, you can let go now...I gotta go see Sun about a trowel, so..."

"Seriously... LET GO, CLINGY BOY!"

Trowel, huh? (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/jinscool.jpg)

workingmom

10-02-2007, 01:43 PM

Apparently, Nestor Carbonell (Richard Alpert) is an expert Foxy stalker. :biggrin: In the latest Lost magazine there's an interview with him:

Q: You worked with Matthew Fox in Smokin Aces. Was that your connection to joining Lost?
Nestor: No. There are actually a series of coincidences. It's a really small world. I went to school with Matt - the same boarding school - but he probably doesn't remember me being there. Then I would see him around Hollywood. I auditioned for Smokin' Aces and didn't know he was going to be cast. Then about nine months later, I randomly got a call from my agent to audition for Lost. I went in and read and then I got the part. When I went to Hawaii to shoot it, I went up to Matt and he said, "What are you doing here?" I just keep following him, what can I say (laughs)! It was a complete coincidence that we both ended up working on both projects.

Hmm...maybe it's the Maybelline connection to the Shephard family (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/albums/userpics/14304/01.jpg.jpg). Sounds as plausible as anything else. :rolleyes: I sure hope we see more of Richard next season (Don't watch Cane, put a curse on it to flop).

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-03-2007, 03:40 AM

I would seriously like to see a real Dharma fb, not the kiddie romance we got so far, but I don't know if they're going to go there.

That episode was probably the most disappointing for me. Probably because I totalled my car on my way home to watch it and was hoping it would be worth all the trouble to get home on time. It wasn't.

I'm curious though... would Margo still be his mother?

I hope so. I want to see Veronica Hamel again. Talk about making a big impression with a few minutes of scrfeen time...

TSTID

Claudia815

10-03-2007, 11:04 AM

:yawn: I hope I can use fandom as a distraction because this week is stressing me out so much, I start to dream about freakish medical cases where guys sprout extra arms and eyes and Dr.House shows up to the scene. WHY can't I dream of MY Doctor? Why? :frusty:

Apparently, Nestor Carbonell (Richard Alpert) is an expert Foxy stalker. :biggrin: In the latest Lost magazine there's an interview with him:

"It really is a small world..." Hmm. We must remember to use that as an excuse.

I remember Eddie Kitsis and Adam Horrowitz were very excited about the Jack-centric finale and they couldn't tell us why. They're free to gush about it now:

The finale was very dark, but was balanced by important moments of hope. How did you feel those elements all came together?

AH: To me, Charlie's death in a lot of ways was the emotional climax of the episode, but there was a lot of big, big emotion it it. I feel that scene, the Jack/Ben confrontation and the ending - those were the very big pillars everything was built around.

The Jack/Ben confrontation at the end is where I slinked off the couch and sat on the floor with my mouth hanging open. I never believed they'd deliver another moment as stunning as the opening of the Pilot or Charlie's almost-death, but they pulled it off and I had to rewind over that scene about fifteen times that night.

EK: For me one of the things that I really loved was Jack telling Kate he loved her. I really thought that was great and you just didn't expect it! The way it was delivered was just so wonderful. It was like you got into their heads a little bit because at that point as a viewer you're thinking, "Woah...and they could be getting off the island right now!"

You know I'd rather he said it to Sayid after a manhug and then Sayid would say: "Yeah, dude... Love ya too... whatever" but it really was quintessentially Jack and like some of the other actors on the show, Matthew Fox has perfected the art of getting inside his character's head so well, the finest detail contributes to what defines Jack Shephard as a man. It's wonderful to watch on our TV screen. For free. :biggrin:

What are some of your other favorite season three moments?

AH: I think the very end with Jack and Kate was a moment where it was an odd mixture of darkness and hope. You see them off the island, but it's not what they were hoping for.

See, Maxum? They're not going to do timetravel, but they will move on. :biggrin: Well, if the writers' strike doesn't shut down TV. *shudder* You know what? I know a few of us who would gladly crash through the pickett lines and offer our services to ABC. :lol2: Anybody up for a career change? We'd still have to write it PG13, but I'm sure we could manage...

I hope so. I want to see Veronica Hamel again. Talk about making a big impression with a few minutes of scrfeen time...

I don't think we'll ever see Margo again, as much as I'd like to. They didn't even mention her in the finale so they can probably continue to ignore her existence, even if they do a Jack episode set closer to the rescue and she'd have to react to her son coming back from the dead.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-03-2007, 12:34 PM

:yawn: I hope I can use fandom as a distraction because this week is stressing me out so much, I start to dream about freakish medical cases where guys sprout extra arms and eyes and Dr.House shows up to the scene. WHY can't I dream of MY Doctor? Why? :frusty:

I actually have several times, but you're not missing anything. He doesn't put out.

"It really is a small world..." Hmm. We must remember to use that as an excuse.

So we have someone who has Hick-Foxy-In-Dead-Poets-Society-Land stories. Excellent.

I remember Eddie Kitsis and Adam Horrowitz were very excited about the Jack-centric finale and they couldn't tell us why. They're free to gush about it now:

Yeah, they did "Expose" but all in all that episode was a relatively graceful backing away from the whole Pikki thing. And their horrible deaths...really, that was pretty good, so I can't hold it against them. The people who created them get the blame, IMO.

AH: To me, Charlie's death in a lot of ways was the emotional climax of the episode, but there was a lot of big, big emotion it it.

I didn't feel this way of course (or, honestly anything at all), since I'd been eagerly awaiting his death since he first sang "You All Everybody!" in the pilot. But it would have felt worse about it, if Charlie hadn't had plenty of opportunity to escape. By getting out of the little Good Vibrations room before the grenade went off. Seriously, he had a lot of time. And he chose to lock himself in. Darwin smiles in approval. And drowning? Drowning's not like that.

The Jack/Ben confrontation at the end is where I slinked off the couch and sat on the floor with my mouth hanging open. I never believed they'd deliver another moment as stunning as the opening of the Pilot or Charlie's almost-death, but they pulled it off and I had to rewind over that scene about fifteen times that night.

Yeah, Jack's reaction to hearing the gunshots over the phone is extraordinarily visceral.

EK: For me one of the things that I really loved was Jack telling Kate he loved her. I really thought that was great and you just didn't expect it! The way it was delivered was just so wonderful. It was like you got into their heads a little bit because at that point as a viewer you're thinking, "Woah...and they could be getting off the island right now!"

The way it was delivered was so wonderful. Although, I wasn't thinking "Woah, they could be getting off the island right now!", I was thinking a couple of other things:

First, that it was exquisite in his simplicity. Jack, stripped of his defenses arising from the way he's been worked over emotionally all his life, is essentially a simple, direct guy with a good heart and a kind soul, and in that one little line, there he is.

Second, the look on his face before and after he says it, His slight hesitation beforehand, and his look of "Hey, that wasn't so hard!" after. He's been thinking it for a long time, and to him, she's clearly chosen another man, but damn it, it needs to be said, so he finally does, and man, it feels good to get it off his chest.

Third, and this was a big one for me -- this is a continuance of the "let it go" theme established in ATOTC. Because with that "Because I love you," he's letting her go. Now, the Triangle is a main plot thread in the minds of TPTB for some reason that I cannot fathom, and it's abjectly ridiculous to assume such a thing will be resolved with three seasons yet to run. No, we'll get the answer at the end and not before. But Jack doesn't know this, and in his mind, he's decided that this kind of ride makes him sick, and he's stepping out of line for any further trips on the KateCoaster. I'm sure circumstances will unhinge his plan, but right now, in the story, he's moving on with his life.

At least that's how I interpret it. Perhaps because I don't want her anywhere near him anymore. I just want him to get off the island get a nice dog like Detective Frank has on Haunted, and live happily ever after, Kate-free. Please, just let me dream a little until Season 4 blows that scenario all to hell.

Matthew Fox has perfected the art of getting inside his character's head so well, the finest detail contributes to what defines Jack Shephard as a man.

You don't need to look any further than the football spike to see that. Or the way Locke gets him to press the button. Or the way he was just very slightly "off" when he returned to the beach (trying to lure Juliet into trusting him). They were just little, seemingly insignificant gestures and behaviors. But everyone freaks out when he does it because the performance is so perfectly pitched that you notice that stuff. <stands and applauds>

It's wonderful to watch on our TV screen. For free. :biggrin:

It bears saying again. For free.

See, Maxum? They're not going to do timetravel, but they will move on. :biggrin: Well, if the writers' strike doesn't shut down TV. *shudder*

Give me that pen and some paper, damn it. I'm up for it.

We'd still have to write it PG13, but I'm sure we could manage...

We need trains. Lots of trains going into tunnels. We can be clever like that and throw them all kinds of suggestive images that they've never heard of. It will be easy and fun! Let 'em strike!

I don't think we'll ever see Margo again, as much as I'd like to. They didn't even mention her in the finale so they can probably continue to ignore her existence, even if they do a Jack episode set closer to the rescue and she'd have to react to her son coming back from the dead.

They're estranged? From what we saw in "White Rabbit," this would seem to be the case.

TSTID
100%
Oh, and re: the favorite Jack moments, if it's not too late. I have an insane amount of them that I'd love to include, but please put in the following, because they are extra special:

1. "Is she...happy?"
2. "I MARRIED HER!!!!!"
3. "Because I love you."
4. "When I need the guns, I'll get the guns."
5. "I will come back for you."

That's five at random, but this would be the longest post in the history of the Fuse if I was to list them all.

Oh, and

6. That look Jack gives Achara when he realizes that he's finally about to get laid. You know the one I'm talking about.

TSTID

Claudia815

10-03-2007, 01:50 PM

I actually have several times, but you're not missing anything. He doesn't put out.

Maybe not in your brain, but I know what mine's capable of and yet... the few times I remember my dreams, there's Dr.House, gimping and snarking about some guy with four arms and six eyes. :rolleyes:

Second, the look on his face before and after he says it, His slight hesitation beforehand, and his look of "Hey, that wasn't so hard!" after.

Third, and this was a big one for me -- this is a continuance of the "let it go" theme established in ATOTC. Because with that "Because I love you," he's letting her go.

The two really are directly connected and "getting off the KateCoaster" as you so colorfully put it is probably the healthiest thing we've seen him do on the island (along with the moment that caused it). So that begs the question: what happened there? They obviously had a secret meeting place and at some point Kate was the one who pushed him away (even if just as friends). It's all under the influence of this great big lie they're telling so I'm very excited to see that. But the grovelling for Kate's help bit when she first tells him it can't be changed? Not so much. ("I know what you said...")

We need trains. Lots of trains going into tunnels. We can be clever like that and throw them all kinds of suggestive images that they've never heard of. It will be easy and fun! Let 'em strike!

Yes, I say Hapy Strike, Mr.Lindelof! Give him to us! Mwuahahahahahaha... The dog flashforward is already being written. :biggrin:

They're estranged? From what we saw in "White Rabbit," this would seem to be the case.

Yes, but... her son's alive! She'd at least want to know what happened to Christian.

Oh, and re: the favorite Jack moments, if it's not too late.

It's never too late. I've skimmed The Jack Show awards and there are so many wonderful posts, I don't even know where to begin.

I'd need more season three moments from everyone because that was before the season was completed so we need more input. Thank you. :kisss:

1DocLover

10-03-2007, 01:52 PM

I actually have several times, but you're not missing anything. He doesn't put out.

Then you aren't having the right kind of dreams, because in my dreams......................:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: it's a whole different story. (and a great one at that!!);)

Doc

iorwen

10-03-2007, 02:16 PM

You can always have waking dreams and those you can control.

Fave Season 3 moments

1. Is She Happy (so achingly beautiful)
2. The Aloe scene (so tender)
3. "Kate damn it run!" (I'm not a Kate or Jate fan but anytime Jack is yelling...)
4. "We blow them all to hell" ( Jack angry and in charge is yummy)
5. "Forgive Me" (even tho we don't know what happened, MF's uttering of that line is just so heart breaking and breath taking)

yas_m

10-03-2007, 02:29 PM

Favorite Jack Show moments

1. Pilot - Opening act

2. White Rabbit - Live together die alone speech (a leader is born, just like the scripts says)

3. Solitary - Golf game (it's nice to see Jack smile every once in a while)

4. ATBCHDI - saving Charlie scene

5. Homecoming - surgeon vs surgeon jungle match to the death (Jack wins, again)

6.Deux ex Machina - Doctor in the house and his diagnosis is bad eyesight (Jack wins, aaagain)

7. Do No Harm - Jack pouring his blood into B:frown::frown:ne and then finally letting go

9. Born To Run - Jack tells Sun he knows she did it (that horrible horrible guy goes off and tells everyone, can't keep a damn secret!) I just love Jack/Sun scenes

10. Exodus - Jack pulls Locke from the grips of Smokey (notice how Jack is the first and only(?) one to ever attack Smokey? I know it was Kate who threw in the dynamite but still)

ok,whoa! that's 10 from s1 alone... will be back with s2 and s3 fave moments

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-03-2007, 03:37 PM

Maybe not in your brain, but I know what mine's capable of and yet.... :rolleyes:

I know what mine's capable of also, and yet...I get Charlie Salinger from Party of Five taking me to lunch at an Italian restaurant. Actually, that wasn't so bad because he had short hair and stuff. Of course I've never actually watched Party of Five, so, you know, that was weird...

So that begs the question: what happened there?

Welcome to Season 4. The season of "What Happened There?". That's my name for it, I don't care what TPTB call it.

They obviously had a secret meeting place and at some point Kate was the one who pushed him away (even if just as friends).

I'm willing to entertain the idea that Jack is somehow a part of that pushing away. Look at two of their biggest, most character defining flaws: she's a commitment phobic runner, and he's a controlling obsessive. See any potential trouble there? I do!

Of course she and Sawyer fare no better in such a scenario either. She, as a commitment phobic runner whe tends to harm those who get too close, and he an emotionally crippled grifter who tends to kill people who do bad stuff to him. That's a match made in heaven also.

Juliet and Jack are no potential walk in the park either. He as a controlling obsessive and she as a manipulative deceiver who thinks nothing of inflicting potential harm on innocents, even those she purports to love. Watch your back with that one, Jack.

It's all under the influence of this great big lie they're telling so I'm very excited to see that. But the grovelling for Kate's help bit when she first tells him it can't be changed? Not so much. ("I know what you said...")

Well, he's at his wit's end. And the end of everything, really. And he apparently needs her...one gets the sense that him going back without her is not going to "fix" whatever he thinks needs fixing. He says "We were not supposed to leave," as in Kate and Jack. So, it needs to be both of them or neither of them...that's my take on it.

Yes, but... her son's alive! She'd at least want to know what happened to Christian.

If we saw her reacting to Jack's surprising aliveness during the flash forward, would that not have given it all away? I think if there's further Jack flash forwards that we'll end up seeing her at some point.

I'd need more season three moments from everyone because that was before the season was completed so we need more input. Thank you. :kisss:

1. "Is she happy?"
2. AA meeting Jack Attack!
3. That's why the Red Sox will never win the Ser...wait, WTF?
4. Jack speaking comfort to Juliet about the death of Colleen, then catching himself and trying to take it back.
5. "I just want you to know how you're gonna die."
6. The Hydra scene
7. "I need to get the hell off this island."
8. "Kate, damn it, run!"
9. Using a deadly tumor as a prop for a little OR humor, and the "Ooops!" moment right after.
10. Jack's snarky interrogation session in "SIASL".
11. Jack the brilliant effing spinal surgeon looking at the assembly instructions of a child's kite and going "WTF?"
12. The football spike.
13. The aloe scene, even though Juliet didn't deserve it.
14. The reunion on the beach, before Juliet showed up to ruin it all.
15. "I will come back for you" even though Kate doesn't deserve it.
16. "Sun, before I rip the fetus you carry within you out of your womb, I've will ask you some embarrassing questions about bleeding, and also take your trowel because I am evil." It's too iconic for me to ignore now.
17. Stalking the prostitute gifted artist and deeply skanky spiritual Achara through the red light district happening tourist area of Honolulu Phuket while dressed in a smart black ensemble, complete with matching flip flops, a dark expression, and a fifth of gin in a brown paper bag.
18. Taking the spoon that Kate used in her trailer park seduction attempt and using it to serve oatmeal to Juliet.
19. "We're gonna blow 'em all to hell!!!"
20. Attempting one last bit of human connection before he kills himself, by calling Kate...and getting a robotic voice on an answering machine.
21. First scene with the new chief of surgery. Jack has no idea how impaired and crazy he is acting, but Dr. Hamill does! It hurts to watch, it really does.
22. Jack demanding a drink on the plane in the flash forward. Compare to the time he does this in the pilot. It hurts to watch this also.
23. "If he's drunker than I am, you can fire me." You guessed it...hurts to watch it.
24. An increasingly unsteady Jack trying to score drugs with a forged prescription then later stealing them from the hospital, and falling down all over the place. Does it hurt to watch? You guessed it. It does.
25. Jack's encounter with Ben, including beating the living crap out of that evil little turd Ben. I would have preferred it if he had killed him, actually.
26. The phone call -- he's so relieved it's almost physically painful for him.
27. The "I've been flying a lot lately..." monologue. Hard to watch? What do you think?

There's a few Season 3 gems for ya.

TSTID

Maxum

10-03-2007, 04:27 PM

What are some of your other favorite season three moments?

AH: I think the very end with Jack and Kate was a moment where it was an odd mixture of darkness and hope. You see them off the island, but it's not what they were hoping for.

See, Maxum? They're not going to do timetravel, but they will move on. :biggrin:

I know I was in the huge minority of hoping to erase that whole Jack in the future, but alas, it doesn't look like it's going to happen. I wish I was more optimistic about how they are going to show Jack getting to that sad and depressing flash forward. I guess it's because I'm really not looking forward to it from a character point of view. However, watching Matthew Fox do his thing will have my nose pressed up against the television. He really is a wonderful actor.

Well, if the writers' strike doesn't shut down TV. *shudder* You know what? I know a few of us who would gladly crash through the pickett lines and offer our services to ABC. :lol2: Anybody up for a career change? We'd still have to write it PG13, but I'm sure we could manage... I'm hoping that the writers, since they only have to pen 16 episodes compared to the usual 22, have already gotten many of their scripts in the can. If not, I'll take a crack at it too. Heck, we can write some great Jack stuff because many of us, although we all love Jack, have very different opinions about who we want him with and where we want him to end up. As a result, the writings will be REALLY diverse and interesting. Seriously, the writers just need to visit the Foxy forum. :biggrin:

I don't think we'll ever see Margo again, as much as I'd like to. They didn't even mention her in the finale so they can probably continue to ignore her existence, even if they do a Jack episode set closer to the rescue and she'd have to react to her son coming back from the dead.I would love to see more of Margo, although I don't think I could stand to watch another Jack smackdown by the women in his life.

The way it was delivered was so wonderful. Although, I wasn't thinking "Woah, they could be getting off the island right now!", I was thinking a couple of other things:

First, that it was exquisite in his simplicity. Jack, stripped of his defenses arising from the way he's been worked over emotionally all his life, is essentially a simple, direct guy with a good heart and a kind soul, and in that one little line, there he is.

Well said.

Second, the look on his face before and after he says it, His slight hesitation beforehand, and his look of "Hey, that wasn't so hard!" after. He's been thinking it for a long time, and to him, she's clearly chosen another man, but damn it, it needs to be said, so he finally does, and man, it feels good to get it off his chest. I had the reaction of him thinking, "There, I've said it. It's done." I agree that for Jack it was this albatross around his neck, and he just wanted to say it and own it.

Third, and this was a big one for me -- this is a continuance of the "let it go" theme established in ATOTC. Because with that "Because I love you," he's letting her go. Indeed. Jack has certainly grown from the man he was when he crashed on that island. Maybe the isolation of imprisonment helped him sort through things in his mind, but his question of "Is she happy?" was HUGE for Jack. It was a small step forward for him, in terms of letting go. He reinforced that lesson by essentially letting Kate go, as well. He acknowledges that she has chosen Sawyer, he accepts it, she asked him a question, he gave her an honest answer, and he asked for nothing in return.

Now, the Triangle is a main plot thread in the minds of TPTB for some reason that I cannot fathom, and it's abjectly ridiculous to assume such a thing will be resolved with three seasons yet to run. No, we'll get the answer at the end and not before. I honestly didn't mind the triangle until it became the A storyline to some degree. As long as it takes its rightful place as the C storyline, then I'll be happy. The show does need its romance, just not Grey's Anatomy level romance. (God, help me now.)

But Jack doesn't know this, and in his mind, he's decided that this kind of ride makes him sick, and he's stepping out of line for any further trips on the KateCoaster. I'm sure circumstances will unhinge his plan, but right now, in the story, he's moving on with his life. And a very healthy decision it was for him too. He is definitely trying to step off the KateCoaster or KateTrain or KateBus, any of which will be driving over Jack's heart in the not-too-distant future, I fear.

At least that's how I interpret it. Perhaps because I don't want her anywhere near him anymore. I just want him to get off the island get a nice dog like Detective Frank has on Haunted, and live happily ever after, Kate-free. Please, just let me dream a little until Season 4 blows that scenario all to hell. Yeah, I'm starting to feel this way as well. If Kate or Juliet or any other woman is going to treat Jack poorly or bounce back and forth between other men like a teenager, then I'd prefer Jack to remain alone and sane. If Kate is still going back and forth between Jack and Sawyer, I'd rather she just take Sawyer and end it. If Juliet is planning on betraying Jack or hurting him, then she too needs to go. Jack deserves some happiness in his life, although I believe Jack is fated to be the tragic hero in the end.

Well, he's at his wit's end. And the end of everything, really. And he apparently needs her...one gets the sense that him going back without her is not going to "fix" whatever he thinks needs fixing. He says "We were not supposed to leave," as in Kate and Jack. So, it needs to be both of them or neither of them...that's my take on it. It's funny you mention this because I was just thinking the opposite, and only because I realized something Jack said recently in that same scene. Jack told Kate that he was taking plane flights back and forth hoping that they would crash. Now, clearly, he is alone on these flights (minus the 100+ people, of course), but none of his fellow Losties are on the plane, which means Jack has been trying to get back to the island on his own.

Now, I'm wondering if the death notice in the paper made Jack realize that whatever has to be done on the island can't be done by him alone. As you know, Jack tends to risk his life and leave others safely behind. He may have been thinking this while he was hoping to crash on the island. However, now he realizes that more and more people are either dying or being removed from the equation, and he HAS to reach out for help. The person he turns to is Kate. It's clear that they have been meeting in secret, and have done so before, but for whatever reason, Kate does not see the same necessity in returning to the island. Jack, however, KNOWS something. There is a desperation/obsessive compulsion to get back to the island, and since we know that Jack was not a particularly strong man of faith, something has changed.

Season four should be interesting.

Franci

10-03-2007, 05:18 PM

Wait..I'm confused. Do they have to be s3 moments or s1/2&3 moments?!
Ok,I'll make a double list so you can choose the correct one... :kiss:

ok,how do I do this? I can't choose... I'll just go with the ones that first come to my mind.

1. Pilot part I - Jack shares the count to 5 story with Kate
2. Live Together Die Alone speech
3. Do No Harm - Boone frees Jack from his promise "I'm sorry.."
4. Poker scene
5. TTLG -the last FF

s3 moments

1. I just want you to know how you're gonna die.
2. Through the looking glass - Jack calls Kate then hungs up and climbs on the bridge
3. We'll blow them all to hell
4. I'll come back here for you
5. the last FF

ETA- i'm catching up and just had to say..brilliant post about the ILY TSTID!

The way it was delivered was so wonderful. Although, I wasn't thinking "Woah, they could be getting off the island right now!", I was thinking a couple of other things:

First, that it was exquisite in his simplicity. Jack, stripped of his defenses arising from the way he's been worked over emotionally all his life, is essentially a simple, direct guy with a good heart and a kind soul, and in that one little line, there he is.

Second, the look on his face before and after he says it, His slight hesitation beforehand, and his look of "Hey, that wasn't so hard!" after. He's been thinking it for a long time, and to him, she's clearly chosen another man, but damn it, it needs to be said, so he finally does, and man, it feels good to get it off his chest.

Third, and this was a big one for me -- this is a continuance of the "let it go" theme established in ATOTC. Because with that "Because I love you," he's letting her go. Now, the Triangle is a main plot thread in the minds of TPTB for some reason that I cannot fathom, and it's abjectly ridiculous to assume such a thing will be resolved with three seasons yet to run. No, we'll get the answer at the end and not before. But Jack doesn't know this, and in his mind, he's decided that this kind of ride makes him sick, and he's stepping out of line for any further trips on the KateCoaster. I'm sure circumstances will unhinge his plan, but right now, in the story, he's moving on with his life.

At least that's how I interpret it. Perhaps because I don't want her anywhere near him anymore. I just want him to get off the island get a nice dog like Detective Frank has on Haunted, and live happily ever after, Kate-free. Please, just let me dream a little until Season 4 blows that scenario all to hell.

ITA with every single word (well,besides the Kate-free bit :D )

Steph

10-03-2007, 05:23 PM

Second, the look on his face before and after he says it, His slight hesitation beforehand, and his look of "Hey, that wasn't so hard!" after. He's been thinking it for a long time, and to him, she's clearly chosen another man, but damn it, it needs to be said, so he finally does, and man, it feels good to get it off his chest.

Sorry to just "Jump in" with the conversation but i just wanted to say that's exactly what i thought. I'd always loved the huge contradiction of the scene in the fact that to Jack saying "I Love you" to Kate when he thinks she's off with Sawyer is HUGE after all his troubles with Sarah and because he's laying his cards right down thinking he's just going to get shot back, but the simplistic way he does it makes it seem even more heart-felt and "real" that you really do believe and understand him...

anyway sorry.../ramble

shoegirl

10-03-2007, 05:52 PM

:yawn: I hope I can use fandom as a distraction because this week is stressing me out so much, I start to dream about freakish medical cases where guys sprout extra arms and eyes and Dr.House shows up to the scene. WHY can't I dream of MY Doctor? Why? :frusty:

:hug: Hang in there Babe. I'm having quite the hectic week too. But I did just move my flight back to 9:30. I needed to talk some Jack. And get my balance right? LOL.

remember Eddie Kitsis and Adam Horrowitz were very excited about the Jack-centric finale and they couldn't tell us why. They're free to gush about it now:

The finale was very dark, but was balanced by important moments of hope. How did you feel those elements all came together?

AH: To me, Charlie's death in a lot of ways was the emotional climax of the episode, but there was a lot of big, big emotion it it. I feel that scene, the Jack/Ben confrontation and the ending - those were the very big pillars everything was built around.

The Jack/Ben confrontation at the end is where I slinked off the couch and sat on the floor with my mouth hanging open. I never believed they'd deliver another moment as stunning as the opening of the Pilot or Charlie's almost-death, but they pulled it off and I had to rewind over that scene about fifteen times that night.

EK: For me one of the things that I really loved was Jack telling Kate he loved her. I really thought that was great and you just didn't expect it! The way it was delivered was just so wonderful. It was like you got into their heads a little bit because at that point as a viewer you're thinking, "Woah...and they could be getting off the island right now!"
You know I'd rather he said it to Sayid after a manhug and then Sayid would say: "Yeah, dude... Love ya too... whatever" but it really was quintessentially Jack and like some of the other actors on the show, Matthew Fox has perfected the art of getting inside his character's head so well, the finest detail contributes to what defines Jack Shephard as a man. It's wonderful to watch on our TV screen. For free. :biggrin:

LOL, with the Sayid thing Clauds. I need to rewatch the Jack and Ben showdown. I didn't get the same vibe with that scene as I did with the Charlie "almost death" scene from S1. But then again, I have only watched that scene twice. What has always appealed to me about Jack was his willingness to be selfless with all the losties, but especially where Kate is concerned. Matthew Fox is the master of not overacting in highly emotional scenes. He almost underplays them, which gives them the exact perfect tone.

I didn't think "woah they'll be getting off the island soon" either. I thought, Kate's probably feeling like pulling out her hair about now. And talking about feeling like you've royally screwed up. (pun intended) At the end of the day, I want Jack to get what would make Jack happy. And I do believe, deep down, for him he would say it would be Kate. I know I really admire Jack for clearly loving and speaking of his love to Kate, and yet he's willing to sacrifice his own opportunity for happiness with her, in his belief that Kate is happier with Sawyer. I love Jack's honor.

:biggrin: Well, if the writers' strike doesn't shut down TV. *shudder* You know what? I know a few of us who would gladly crash through the pickett lines and offer our services to ABC. :lol2: Anybody up for a career change? We'd still have to write it PG13, but I'm sure we could manage...

I believe we'd see Jack getting laid a few times huh? LOL. I believe I'd like to control the camera and the zoom lens. (Perhaps the camera people will go on strike too?) I'll leave the writing to the masters of writing, TSTID and Clauds.

Favorite Jack Moments:

Pilot - Counting to 5 Scene
Original Live Together Die Alone Speech (not the Pikki Episode Version)
Saving Charlie (2nd Most Favorite Moment For Me)
Boone's Death
Beating Ethan to a pulp when he comes to re-take Claire.
Jack and Sawyer - Sawyer telling Jack about his Dad.
The whole conversation with Locke about pushing the button. "Why do you find it so hard to believe?" Then pushing that button.
The Kiss with Kate
Jack pushing Locke up against the wall, and keeping Locke from the button, so that Locke lets Jack into the room with Ben and Sayid
The poker match with Sawyer and Jack's statement: If I want the guns I'll get the guns
Watching Jack hurt for Hurley as Libby is dying, and Jack then goes into the bathroom to hurt alone. (I'm tired of Jack hurting alone.)
Jack falling a part a bit, as Hurley, Kate and Sawyer all briefly turn on him and believe he wasn't "protecting them". It was in LTDA, in the jungle once they realize that Jack knew Michael was leading them into a trap.
Jack sees the Red Sox
The Glass Wall Scene in the Hyrdra with Kate
The whole scene in NIP when Jack is operating on Ben and Kate re-tells him the story of his surgery on the teenage girl.
Sex with Achara. Naked Jack is good. Jack's cute little tongue is better. :biggrin:
TMFT, the pool room scene.
TTLG, I Love You
TTLG, Hearing the three gunshots.ok. Better go pack my bags. I think when I'm driving tonight, and it's late, I'll "daydream" of Jack. :frown: Clauds, I can't seem to conjure Jack up in my "real" dreams either. Bummer.

I choose Jack.

shoe

hellybongo

10-04-2007, 05:47 AM

Hope it’s not too late to buzz in with these - I had five minutes and what better way to recall my favourite Jack moments…

. Opening the case - Jack screaming “Stop lying to me and tell me the truth” at Kate.
. Sawyer talking to him in the jungle about his father.
. Original “Live together, die alone” speech.
. Exodus - Locke telling Jack he’s a man of science and John is a man of faith.
. Jack seeing Ana for the first time after knowing she killed Shannon.
. Shouting at ‘the line’ when it’s raining.
. Jack pushing Locke up against the wall.
. Jack shouting “I know what you’re doing Michael…now tell them the truth!” in LTDA.
. After ringing Christian's phone Jack saying "I wanna know EXACTLY why the hell she is calling you."
. Ben showing Jack the Red Sox.
. Telling Ben “At least you won’t have to be disappointed for very long” and the “Don’t!” at Juliet.
. The aloe scene with Juliet.
. Telling Kate “I will come back for you”
. Telling Locke “You’re done keeping me on this island”.

I’m sure there’s loads more but they’re the one’s that spring to mind. A theme seems to be I like him shouting/screaming yelling…hhmmm.

ETA - I keep remembering things and having to add them...

Claudia815

10-04-2007, 10:46 AM

I'm willing to entertain the idea that Jack is somehow a part of that pushing away.

I actually prefer that variant to "Kate just likes her Volvo and doesn't want him to keep bugging her with his silly ideas of righting wrongs". The fact that they had a secret meeting place in the first place makes me wonder if them not seeing each other was part of whichever deal they made and they were breaking that rule, or if Kate simply didn't want to meet with him anywhere more public.

16. "Sun, before I rip the fetus you carry within you out of your womb, I've will ask you some embarrassing questions about bleeding, and also take your trowel because I am evil." It's too iconic for me to ignore now.

It's the little detail of the trowel stealing that makes it so unforgettable.

It's funny you mention this because I was just thinking the opposite, and only because I realized something Jack said recently in that same scene. Jack told Kate that he was taking plane flights back and forth hoping that they would crash. Now, clearly, he is alone on these flights (minus the 100+ people, of course), but none of his fellow Losties are on the plane, which means Jack has been trying to get back to the island on his own.

I didn't get the feeling that Kate's presence was of any practical significance either and I think the obituary had a lot to do with him feeling like he can't do this alone anymore. He didn't need her to go to the funeral because Michael (or whoever) was such a dear friend (he even tells the undertaker he wasn't), he needed to not be alone anymore and he needed the one person who could understand what was going on to be by his side. When Sarah asks what was he doing driving around at 2 am, he has no answer because there's no way she can relate to what he's going through, but Kate knows. About the lie they're telling, about why they need to go back and why he's been flying hoping to crash. When he tells her about his Friday nights, I got the feeling he just needed to tell someone, needed to get it off his chest so badly and that's why he needs her to go to the funeral with him and go back to the Island ultimately. Because she's someone who understands what it all means.

Wait..I'm confused. Do they have to be s3 moments or s1/2&3 moments?!

Both works just as well, I just needed more season three because it hadn't aired when we organized the awards. Grazie, bella! :kisss:

Jack saying "I Love you" to Kate when he thinks she's off with Sawyer is HUGE after all his troubles with Sarah and because he's laying his cards right down thinking he's just going to get shot back, but the simplistic way he does it makes it seem even more heart-felt and "real" that you really do believe and understand him...

It's exactly how I would have expected Jack to answer that question. Because "caught in a net" means caught in a net, he's not sorry she kissed him and because he loves her. The end. And feel free to jump in any time. :smile:

I believe I'd like to control the camera and the zoom lens. (Perhaps the camera people will go on strike too?)

Hmmm... they should! Power to the people, etc. Go ahead... see if we mind. ;)

ETA - I keep remembering things and having to add them...

Hehe. You're not the only one. I had the exact same problem, which is why I asked for your help. :lol2: Thanks, darling!

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-04-2007, 11:49 AM

I actually prefer that variant to "Kate just likes her Volvo and doesn't want him to keep bugging her with his silly ideas of righting wrongs".

I think it's clearly not that. Because Kate looks, in her own way, as haunted and miserable as Jack does. Plus, it's not in character for her to be happy in the kind of situation that owning a Volvo implies. :biggrin:

The fact that they had a secret meeting place in the first place makes me wonder if them not seeing each other was part of whichever deal they made and they were breaking that rule, or if Kate simply didn't want to meet with him anywhere more public.

If it was part of the "deal", then they've been breaking it, because it's certainly implied they had been seeing each other and speaking with each other fairly regularly at some point in the past. So I think it was something else that put a stop to that. It could have been external pressures on them, or it could have been something else, like Jack spiraling out of control, or whatever. Bring on Season 4, says I!

I didn't get the feeling that Kate's presence was of any practical significance either and I think the obituary had a lot to do with him feeling like he can't do this alone anymore.

See, I think Kate does have significance. We'll see. That's my story and I'm sticking to it until, as always, I'm proven embarrassingly wrong.

He didn't need her to go to the funeral because Michael (or whoever) was such a dear friend (he even tells the undertaker he wasn't),

When the undertaker asks him "Friend or family," Jack replies "either."

When Sarah asks what was he doing driving around at 2 am, he has no answer because there's no way she can relate to what he's going through,

This is lame of Sarah, because Jack's long hours at work is partly what broke them up. Duh, Sarah.

About the lie they're telling, about why they need to go back and why he's been flying hoping to crash.

That's when you kind of realize that Jack is more than a boozy pill popping addict. He's also going crazy. It's the moment when you see the full extent to which Jack is being controlled by his demons. And him telling Kate about it, speaking it out loud, makes him ashamed, and that's where the heartbreak in the scene lies for me.

TSTID

lauradc1980

10-04-2007, 07:14 PM

Como se dice, "Slam me against the wall, cuff me, and book me!" en Espanol? :biggrin:

Oh, mi corazon!!! Ay carumba!

TSTID

Before replying I need to know if the mods in here know Spanish, because if they don't I'll be able to add some perverted stuff in the translation without getting another infraction :biggrin:

And even if I'm not posting these days, I'm here reading you, what happens is that real life is keeping me pretty busy this week :( I posted my fav Jack moments, though, so I sort of realizated :biggrin:

Majandra

10-04-2007, 07:57 PM

Before replying I need to know if the mods in here know Spanish, because if they don't I'll be able to add some perverted stuff in the translation without getting another infraction :biggrin:

We'll find someone to translate it for us. :biggrin: Although I'm pretty sure one or more of us speaks Spanish. In worst case scenario, there's always babblefish. :71:

Claudia815

10-04-2007, 09:35 PM

Before replying I need to know if the mods in here know Spanish, because if they don't I'll be able to add some perverted stuff in the translation without getting another infraction :biggrin:

We dodge bullets here every day. :shutup: We have however perfected the art of insinuation... :naughty:

In worst case scenario, there's always babblefish. :71:

Hehehe. I can't wait to see that.

If it was part of the "deal", then they've been breaking it, because it's certainly implied they had been seeing each other and speaking with each other fairly regularly at some point in the past. So I think it was something else that put a stop to that. It could have been external pressures on them, or it could have been something else, like Jack spiraling out of control

I think he might have asked one too many times and she just wanted it to be over. According to the script and also from what we see in the last scene, she was surprised to see him that way and his confession is also a new thing for Kate, so she didn't see him spiralling out of control the way we have.

See, I think Kate does have significance. We'll see. That's my story and I'm sticking to it until, as always, I'm proven embarrassingly wrong.

I'd be happy about that too because girlfriend needs a better story. Desperately.

When the undertaker asks him "Friend or family," Jack replies "either."

Oh, God. I don't even remember what we settled on in that neverending Either/Neither debate in the episode forum. :lol2: I just know I was wrong.

Starrox

10-04-2007, 10:29 PM

Before replying I need to know if the mods in here know Spanish, because if they don't I'll be able to add some perverted stuff in the translation without getting another infraction :biggrin:
I haven't had a Spanish lesson in years, but I'm pretty sure I would remember enough to notice your "additions". ;)

We'll find someone to translate it for us. :biggrin: Although I'm pretty sure one or more of us speaks Spanish. In worst case scenario, there's always babblefish. :71:

:shesaid:

Forever_Erica

10-05-2007, 12:32 AM

Hello my fellow Hussies! :biggrin:

Wow, I love all the great posts in here about our hunny, so I decided to join the party. Tests have been invading my life lately, but now I'm back...almost lol. Okay, well there have been rumors about Foxy and his whereabouts as of late. Is he in LA? Italy? Hawaii? Maybe he's sealing the deal on a new movie....:biglaugh:

Look up in the sky...it's a bird....or is it a plane....? (http://icscotland.icnetwork.co.uk/whatson/whatson2/tm_headline=movie-preview-justice-league-of-america%26method=full%26objectid=19890634%26siteid =50141-name_page.html)

Yeah, that's right. Not only do we get to see Foxy as Racer X within the next year, we just might see him in that spiffy blue and red body suit.....Superman tights.....Foxy-style.....YUMMMMMMMMMMM....

Erica

Perdue

10-05-2007, 01:24 AM

Apparently MF has definitely been seen in LA on Oct. 3.

lauradc1980

10-05-2007, 05:44 AM

We'll find someone to translate it for us. :biggrin: Although I'm pretty sure one or more of us speaks Spanish. In worst case scenario, there's always babblefish. :71:

Oh, darn! Didn't think about babblefish! :10:

Dany_E

10-05-2007, 09:20 AM

16. "Sun, before I rip the fetus you carry within you out of your womb, I've will ask you some embarrassing questions about bleeding, and also take your trowel because I am evil." It's too iconic for me to ignore now.

TSTID - If I didn't already adore this show, the way you write about it would make me feel that way. Thanks again for the daily laughs.

Claudia815

10-05-2007, 01:12 PM

:biglaugh:

Look up in the sky...it's a bird....or is it a plane....? (http://icscotland.icnetwork.co.uk/whatson/whatson2/tm_headline=movie-preview-justice-league-of-america%26method=full%26objectid=19890634%26siteid =50141-name_page.html)

Yeah, that's right. Not only do we get to see Foxy as Racer X within the next year, we just might see him in that spiffy blue and red body suit.....Superman tights.....Foxy-style.....YUMMMMMMMMMMM....

I seriously doubt any of this is going to happen, but this morning I read another round of casting speculation and this time he's supposed to play Batman. Jamie Foxx was also named among the contenders for another part. :lol2:

One thing's for sure... with that list from the link... I can see "clever" magazine titles "Mr. and Ms.Fox" and all the geekboys counting how many tattoos Wonder Woman and Superman (or Batman) (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1255/635816254_263d772333.jpg) have between the two of them.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-05-2007, 01:19 PM

IC Scotland. Your inside track for the latest in Hollywood casting news! ;)

He was seen in LA on October 3? So was I. Coincidence or...something else. You be the judge! :biggrin:

TSTID

PenTip

10-07-2007, 01:51 AM

Hi everyone, this is my first time here at the Fox Den. I've been over on The Couch and just love the people there. As far as I'm concerned, Jack and Kate belong together...always! I really, really love Jack. He is soooo MALE and soooo sexy! How could anyone not just LOVE him! All I know is that if I ever met a man like him in real life I'd never, ever let him out of my sight!

I liked Jack from the first time I saw his eyes open on the pilot, but when he told Kate he'd come back for her my heart almost stopped! OMG, I mean, can you even imagine anything more romantic than that?

Jack is my very favorite character on LOST so I hope it's okay for me to post here.

No Jack = No LOST!!!!

Claudia815

10-07-2007, 11:48 AM

I think I can still squeeze in the appropriate timezone to wish iorwen a HAPPY BIRTHDAY! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg) May your day be as wonderful as you are. :kisss:

Jack is my very favorite character on LOST so I hope it's okay for me to post here.

If that is the case, not only is it OK, bu I believe it is a requirement. :biggrin: Welcome to the Den! Make yourself at home.

I'm still recovering after a trip to the country side, but when I'm awake enough, I have to rewind Born To Run so I can profusely apologize to my TV boyfriend for what went through my head while watching the episode.

iorwen

10-07-2007, 12:58 PM

I think I can still squeeze in the appropriate timezone to wish iorwen a HAPPY BIRTHDAY! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg) May your day be as wonderful as you are. :kisss:

Your timing is perfect, and thank you very much, I shall enjoy untying that red bow with my teeth very much!

Forever_Erica

10-07-2007, 02:35 PM

:Welcome: PenTip! We are very glad to have you here in the Den. As a fellow Jack-fan (and a hardcore Jater...), who has been in love with him since the Pilot and has captured my heart and soul in ways I never thought possible, I hope to hear more from you soon!

iorwen, I KNOW that I'm late, but :hapybday: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :hapybday: Claudia gave you the best gift in the WORLD, so I will NOT try to top it.

Erica

PenTip

10-08-2007, 12:36 AM

Thank you for the very warm welcome! I'm really going to enjoy just chatting about Jack. I mean, let's face it, the guy is soooo sexy! It looks like I'm in good company so I think I'll feel right at home with the Foxhussies.

Claudia815

10-08-2007, 09:36 AM

I think I'll feel right at home with the Foxhussies.

I think so too. And in honor of your arrival in Easily Sidetracked Gutterland, it is up to you to choose an art piece for our Art Appreciation Monday/Tuesday/whenever. If you have a picture of our favorite subject that you find particularly :drool:-worthy, bring it over or request it and those of us who have to work today will sing your praises. :biggrin:

I've been working on the project I mentioned last week and I love reading back and finding your Jack thoughts. It's truly an honor to be in the company of such great and gutterrific minds.:ntworthy:

I do have one problem and I'd greatly appreciate your help. One of the scenes selected is the I Do confrontation with Ben and Juliet (before the files smack into the glass), but for some reason, I can't find anything you guys wrote about that. I never really wrote a proper review of that episode (too busy laughing and wondering what happened to my show) so I don't really know where to look back. If anyone has any thoughts on why we love that scene so much, please share so I can complete the list. Thank you! :kisss:

PS: helly, you can provide the animated goodness for the moment, I know you have it. Let us jumpstart our brains with the visuals. ;)

hellybongo

10-08-2007, 10:30 AM

PS: helly, you can provide the animated goodness for the moment, I know you have it. Let us jumpstart our brains with the visuals. ;)

I take it you are referring to this. (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/angryjackgif.gif)

If not I'm sure I can come up with something else ;)

workingmom

10-08-2007, 12:19 PM

I do have one problem and I'd greatly appreciate your help. One of the scenes selected is the I Do confrontation with Ben and Juliet (before the files smack into the glass), but for some reason, I can't find anything you guys wrote about that. I never really wrote a proper review of that episode (too busy laughing and wondering what happened to my show) so I don't really know where to look back. If anyone has any thoughts on why we love that scene so much, please share so I can complete the list. Thank you! :kisss:

I browsed around a little but didn't get all the way back to the immediate post-I Do discussion. It's in Den #5. But there was a nice little tidbit about that scene brought over from Daniel the TWOP reviewer:

Ben says he's disappointed in Jack's decision. Jack walks right up to the glass. "Well, Ben, at least you won't have to be disappointed for very long," he says. Hee! Hee hee hee! You like apples, Ben?

Also browsing back it's amazing how many rumors were flying around back then during the winter 06/07 hiatus - about Jack getting shot in the chest by Juliet, among other things, which we know didn't happen but were given play by several other sites during that time. And now we know also that the fact that an actor leaves filming in Hawaii to appear on talk shows doesn't mean their character is getting killed off. :rolleyes: Happened with Foxy and it happened with Josh - scientific analysis of talk show appearances the day after other characters had been killed off Lost pointed to a clear hypothesis that Sawyer would be killed on a certain date, as he was scheduled to be on Regis or something that Thursday. Scientific proof, I tell you. Never fails.

Which is just to say that the next time a "spoiler" or "rumor" comes along of someone's death, take it to be the hype that it is, to keep people talking about the show while it's off the air.
Disclaimer: There are no current rumors of Jack's death, so please don't misinterpret these ramblings.

Claudia815

10-08-2007, 04:38 PM

I take it you are referring to this. (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/angryjackgif.gif)

If not I'm sure I can come up with something else ;)

That was it! I guess I'm going to research the other thread to find out how much you guys love angry, snarky Jack being so wonderfully cruel to Ben. :lol2:

This would probably be a good time to ask for your permission to use your quotes. They will be part of a fan-made-magazine article and hopefully they'll reach the right people (I'm not really familiar with the details, I'm just doing the Jack section), Matthew Fox included. I'll quote you with your screen names from The Fuselage, as such...

Kids are like dogs (Exodus)

It was the moment when I understood what a gem Jack is both acting-wise (Foxy has an amazing talent) and character-wise (keep in mind that I only started watching 'Lost' properly around late S1). It left me gaping. Jack hearing the words he so desperately wanted to hear (and from Sawyer!) and aware that it's too late for reconciliation is agonizing, just as his struggle not to display his strong emotions and not to cry (it's not how he cries that gets to us, it's how he fights not to).The dynamics between him and Sawyer here shows the chance for mutual respect and kind of quiet bond (not really friendship, but trust) that could be, should the writers not choose the triangle over it.

Papper_Docka

If for any reason you don't want me to include your name or if you don't want to be quoted at all, just say so, there's really no harm done. I just thought I should ask first.

There's still a couple of scenes I haven't matched with quotes yet (the I Do one, the confrontation with Ben in the finale and the "I love you" scene) because I have to jump between old and new threads (and because work is being a :dog:). So far I have stuff from TSTID, Ishtar, Papper_docka, mom, Erica, The_Sheppardess and Bansh for this section (Reasons Why We Love The Jack Show :biggrin: ) and various others from our reactions to the finale (yes, yasy, the OMG @*%)($*)_$#@*-ing will be included :biggrin: ). So there. Just covering my butt. :hypocrit:

Also browsing back it's amazing how many rumors were flying around back then during the winter 06/07 hiatus - about Jack getting shot in the chest by Juliet, among other things, which we know didn't happen but were given play by several other sites during that time. And now we know also that the fact that an actor leaves filming in Hawaii to appear on talk shows doesn't mean their character is getting killed off. :rolleyes:.

Yes. Or flying out of Hawaii at any given time. Thanks for doing research for me. :hug: I found something else that made me giggle while I was looking for our Jack Show Awards posts. My favorite theory after Naomi landed: "My favorite theory at the moment is that Naomi's ship does not bring rescue but spells more doom. Or something. " :lol2: And also that Jack isn't ev0l and I hadn't even seen the trowel stealing scene back then.