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Claudia815

10-28-2007, 10:25 PM

YES. I feel the fever (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/MOSMOF/2x01_1020.jpg) coming on already...

Damn. Damndamndamndamndamn. :thud:

have say that of all the charaters in the tv world, this one makes falling in love with easy...

Most of us never stood a chance, though there were some late bloomers. :biggrin:

Hindsight thoughts on the rewind... you guys have brought up some great points that piqued my curiosity.

Locke is very inquisitve about Jack and at times seems to study him very intently: in WR, asking Kate what she thinks Jack saw, picking up on Jack being freaked out by Desmond, checking him out (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/Locke.jpg)... Oh, wait... how did that get in there? :angelnot:

In this episode he bluntly asks: "Why don't you want to go down there Jack?"

1. Why doesn't Jack want to find out what's in the hatch? Why is he afraid to open the box?

When Hurley asks Locke what he expects to find down there, his answer is: "Hope"... which ties in directly with...

The scene with Sarah, when she asks him about her condition ("what's happened to me?"), Jack is basically telling her that there is NO way that she will ever walk again.

2. Why does Jack's bedside manner "suck"? Why is he so averse to giving false hope, even if sometimes it's all people have to cling to?

I'm not so sure anymore that Jack didn't believe in the fact that as long as they stay together, they'll see the sun come out again.

I love how nice they've crafted this episode, tying in Jack's aversion to false hope (something Christian gave in spades... we know he had his wonderful father moments) with the need to give hope to the losties, even if he didn't believe in it.

3. Did Jack tell Kate the truth about the full half of the glass? Does he believe it? Is he merely giving them hope because it's what the group needs?

But why did Jack go back to the hatch? Maybe it's because he believes in it, he knows that he does, but he's fighting it?

In my opinion, he wasn't terribly concerned with the hatch. Maybe now that things were settling down and the immediate danger had been averted, Jack could afford to be a little curious about it, but I don't think that's his primary motivation. Jack went back to the hatch because the last guy who followed Locke into an abandoned, rusty structure ended up with a hole in his lung and an ultimately fatal crushed leg, and there's no better candidate for another sacrifice to the island than I-m-tagging-along-and-handling-dynamite-with-a-pickaxe spunky Kate.

Also, because of Charlie. There's a deleted scene with Charlie where he's giving Jack tips about girls and tells him Kate wants him to go after her. It's hilarious. I'll try to find the link.

Christian is in Good Daddy mode, but there's still the undercurrent of heartbreak in their scene when this big, hunky grownup top-of-his-class doctor asks "What is it this time? What did I do wrong?"

If only Dr. Arzt knew that one of the A Team asked about him, he'll be all tingly on the inside...

Tingly is not good. I think he was a little too tingly before he rained down on Jack and Locke. "He... um... didn't make it"

4. Hope again. Desmond tells Jack to "lift it up". Is he another messenger that reinforces Christian's advice? Is Desmond telling him to hope in the face of impossible odds?

Other random little things I enjoyed: I liked Jack's reaction at Kate telling him how much he matters to the group. I liked Sarah's snark at him. I liked that Jack is such a consummate runner. It's one of those things that simply make sense to me... along with the fact that he knows what a Balt is and he's a crazy driver and listens to loud rock music.

Still waiting for that Roadkill Wig Expose, btw.:45:

suzzzette

10-28-2007, 10:38 PM

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1. Why doesn't Jack want to find out what's in the hatch? Why is he afraid to open the box?

I've always thought that the answer to that question lies in the flashbacks. Jack is afraid to open the box - afraid, really, of everything that Locke is spouting about fate and destiny - because the last time he believed, he got hurt badly. He bought into Sarah's miracle, believed that it and they were fate - but we know from previous eps how badly that turned out.

3. Did Jack tell Kate the truth about the full half of the glass? Does he believe it? Is he merely giving them hope because it's what the group needs?

I thought he really believed it. Live together, die alone...

In my opinion, he wasn't terribly concerned with the hatch.

Well, I've seen the deleted scene, but not until after I saw the ep. And even without the deleted scene, I never thought he went into the hatch for any other reason than Kate. Locke was at his crazy best that night, willing to forget the threat against the group all to just propel down the flaming death hole. So, yeah - seemed a prudent move for Jack to go after her.

4. Hope again. Desmond tells Jack to "lift it up". Is he another messenger that reinforces Christian's advice? Is Desmond telling him to hope in the face of impossible odds?

Somewhere today I saw a Jack picspam on LJ. For the life of me, I can't remember where - but there was a quote there about heroes - something like a hero sees the possibility (or hope) where others don't.

Oh, and ...Jack rapelling into the hatch? TOTALLY HOT. And I love how he was the only one of the 3 smart enough to think of wrapping his hands first. Our Jack isn't just hot - he's smart too!

Forever_Erica

10-29-2007, 12:04 AM

Also, because of Charlie. There's a deleted scene with Charlie where he's giving Jack tips about girls and tells him Kate wants him to go after her. It's hilarious. I'll try to find the link.

Well, I found the link to that MOS/MOF deleted scene (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Lj1_WwyzK8) Clauds. I love it. So funny...Jack is so freakin' dense sometimes that it makes me want to just sit him down and pick his brain...or pinch his ***. Whatever comes first lol.

Oh, and ...Jack rapelling into the hatch? TOTALLY HOT. And I love how he was the only one of the 3 smart enough to think of wrapping his hands first. Our Jack isn't just hot - he's smart too!

Rule #1 - ALWAYS protect the paws.....*licks them*

Erica

P.S. I'm definitely coming back to answer those questions! ;)

Lovey

10-29-2007, 12:45 AM

1. Why doesn't Jack want to find out what's in the hatch? Why is he afraid to open the box?

I've always thought that the answer to that question lies in the flashbacks. Jack is afraid to open the box - afraid, really, of everything that Locke is spouting about fate and destiny - because the last time he believed, he got hurt badly. He bought into Sarah's miracle, believed that it and they were fate - but we know from previous eps how badly that turned out.

I really agree with Suzzz here. I think a lot of his actions during this episode were a direct result of everything that happened to him in his past. I don't think he was afraid until he realized it was Des in the hatch. I think all of the sudden he sees that things maybe DO happen for a reason. That things like miracles and destiny, they do truly exist. I don't think he wanted to go down there because he didn't believe in any of it. He'd been there... done that... and "no thanks".

2. Why does Jack's bedside manner "suck"? Why is he so averse to giving false hope, even if sometimes it's all people have to cling to?

Jack's a realist. From the beginning of the series we've seen that. People wanted to believe rescue would come, but he knew there would be no rescue and he didn't hide that he felt that way from anyone. He tells the truth. He was unable to lie for his father in ATBCHDI because he felt that the family of that woman should know the truth. Maybe its because that same compassion wasn't ever bestowed upon him growing up so it really hardened his outward exterior toward his patients. I don't think its that he necessarily wants to take that hope away from people - I just think he wants people to know the truth. Which is why he gave that answer to Hurley about the numbers.

3. Did Jack tell Kate the truth about the full half of the glass? Does he believe it? Is he merely giving them hope because it's what the group needs?

I think it was a mixture of both. You could see him contemplating his answer the minute she asked him. But I really do think he believed that if they all stuck together, they would be okay. But I'm sure he couldn't help but hear his father's words in his head, "Even if they are 99% screwed, people are much more likely inclined to hear that 1% chance that everything is going to be alright". He would have never calmed them down if he said anything other than what he did. So... yeah. I think it was a little bit of both.

4. Hope again. Desmond tells Jack to "lift it up". Is he another messenger that reinforces Christian's advice? Is Desmond telling him to hope in the face of impossible odds?

Somewhere today I saw a Jack picspam on LJ. For the life of me, I can't remember where - but there was a quote there about heroes - something like a hero sees the possibility (or hope) where others don't.

"A hero is someone who commits a courageous action without considering the consequences…a hero is an ordinary individual who finds strength to persevere and endure in spite of overwhelming obstacles."

You reminded me of this quote, Suzzz that I posted the other day on LJ that reminds me of Jack. I think Desmond was definitely someone who was trying to get him to believe in miracles, to believe in hope, even when you think there is none. Its a beautiful lesson, really. And an outlook that I often struggle to maintain in every day life. Its why I relate to Jack so much. He's been through so much in his life, that even as a doctor, he hasn't witnessed enough miracles to believe they exist, to believe hope and love and decency can triumph over the most trying obstacles. I think seeing Desmond again after that one experience in the stadium, is just part of Jack's path to becoming a man of faith.

I also loved his reaction (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/MOSMOF/science-faith-cap279.jpg) to Kate finally saying the one thing he needed to hear from someone in that group. That he makes their life better. That he has succeeded in making them feel as safe as humanly possible and that they do appreciate everything he's done for them. She's the only person that has said anything remotely close to that to him to this day and has always been the one person to trust in his decisions and his opinion and valued his position in the group no matter what the status of their relationship was at any given moment. I love that even though HER curiosity was obviously spiked regarding the hatch, the minute Locke questioned her about it behind his back, she took Jack's side. It was just a nice touch, because I truly believe if Jack has a best friend in anyone on that island, Kate is it.

And OF COURSE, he wrapped his hands when he went into the hatch. He's a surgeon. He knows those babies are too delicate and skilled to risk anything happening to them. ;)

And GUH - I love that deleted scene so much. I love Charlie and Jack scenes. But I see why they took it out, unfortunately.

Claudia815

10-29-2007, 09:22 AM

Those were some great answers, keep them coming! :clapping: I'll ellaborate later, but for now... Let's start our week right.

:smart: Art Appreciation Monday (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/LTDA/splayness.jpg):smart:

I will be the first to observe the perfect architecture of splayness.

And OF COURSE, he wrapped his hands when he went into the hatch. He's a surgeon. He knows those babies are too delicate and skilled to risk anything happening to them. ;)

Plus, the man's got his fangirls (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Handporn/hp2.jpg)to think about because... my heart bled along with his knuckles when he was punching Ben.

Well, I found the link to that MOS/MOF deleted scene (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Lj1_WwyzK8) Clauds. I love it. So funny...

I find it hilarious because Charlie is a guy who's had groupies throw panties at him on stage on a regular basis and Jack just stares "So what if she's a girl?". :lol2:

I also loved his reaction (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/MOSMOF/science-faith-cap279.jpg) to Kate finally saying the one thing he needed to hear from someone in that group. That he makes their life better. That he has succeeded in making them feel as safe as humanly possible and that they do appreciate everything he's done for them. She's the only person that has said anything remotely close to that to him to this day

I like that scene as well because he doesn't know what to say. I enjoy watching Jack stumped for words and like you said, it's not often that somebody acknowledges how hard he's trying.

yas_m

10-29-2007, 09:29 AM

:smart: Art Appreciation Monday (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/LTDA/splayness.jpg):smart:

I will be the first to observe the perfect architecture of splayness.

SPLAYNESS!

*giggles*

Zatherran

10-29-2007, 09:34 AM

WorkingMom.. you hit it on the nail.. that is the appealing part of Jack for me.. his sweetness.. that guy we all have found not part of the big crowd, that holds a sense of charge that you cant help notice.
a friend said to me once "i've always been told i am sweet, but i never get the girl".
he was preplex over why the girls liked the bad boys..

to answer why jack went back to the hatch. he cant consciously let go or not care.
he cared about one thing only.. that was Kate. he never once yelled for Locke nor did he care.. he was concerned with Kate.
he tried to stay for the "good of the many" but realized that his heart wouldnt let him rest and leave "the one" like everyone else.. no one else cared.. but Jack!
you have to love him for that..

shoegirl.. yes finally a real man ( in my eyes) matthew fox is confident with who he is and content in this life, choices, and NO one else but Mr. Fox could have played Jack.
It was FATE.

Anyway.. this oozes out from part of him.. every scene..

Some times Locke's behavior is that of a child in the sense he leans to Jack for
advise and guideness, but he wants to be indepentant. Not that he isnt, but Jack prepesent that which locke doesnt see in him self.

Jack's beside manner is perfect.. I dont know about anyone else.. he is truthful.. and that comes from his own experiences in life.. he knows the pain of disappointment.
He knows that lies dont cut it..

missing Jack the most. when i rewatch the epis, it feels good to see him again..
to know he is there in an odd way.. almost as if protecting him in some odd way.
keeping him near.

anyway.. happy monday..

workingmom

10-29-2007, 12:03 PM

1. Why doesn't Jack want to find out what's in the hatch? Why is he afraid to open the box?
I don't really think he's afraid. His first reaction was entirely pragmatic after seeing the broken ladder - there was no way to get 40 people safely in there in the space of a couple hours, so move on to the next pressing issue - getting back to the group at the caves.

2. Why does Jack's bedside manner "suck"? Why is he so averse to giving false hope, even if sometimes it's all people have to cling to?
He's such a realist by nature, and as you all pointed out, the last time he "went with" the idea of faith and miracles, he got burned but bad. And after a lifetime of watching his parents in denial of Christian's problem, facing facts is the right thing to do, in his mind.

3. Did Jack tell Kate the truth about the full half of the glass? Does he believe it? Is he merely giving them hope because it's what the group needs? Sure, he's giving the pep talk because it's exactly what the group needs, before Shannon goes spinning off again.
I'm confused, though, because by this time Charlie and Sayid had returned with Aaron and told the group that the warnings from Rousseau of "the Others are coming!" was a ruse. So why is everyone so scared? I'm surprised Jack didn't point this out - or maybe upon the Splodey Hatch Expedition Force's arrival back at the caves, no one filled them in on the whole story, since Losties never do that.

Christian is in Good Daddy mode, but there's still the undercurrent of heartbreak in their scene when this big, hunky grownup top-of-his-class doctor asks "What is it this time? What did I do wrong?" He's so Charlie Salinger in that scene (the awful hair helps make the parallel), taking his insecurities and turning them into a challenge to authority. God I love Christian's reaction: My face is always this way. :biglaugh: Except it's not a slapstick scene.

4. Hope again. Desmond tells Jack to "lift it up". Is he another messenger that reinforces Christian's advice? Is Desmond telling him to hope in the face of impossible odds?
Desmond and Christian are coming at the issue from opposite perspectives. We now know that Desmond comes from a religious background from his time as a novice (is that what they call monks in training??) and phrases it very much in the church vernacular. I doubt Christian actually believes in a higher power - he seems to believe in the power of medicine and uses the power of Fate as a crutch or excuse when he needs to, in regard to his own addiction and shortcomings. Giving patients hope when there is little hope is just one of the tricks of the trade. Just my opinion.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-29-2007, 02:43 PM

Still waiting for that Roadkill Wig Expose, btw.:45:

I am going to wait on it. I am done with Homecoming, though! I just forgot to post it!

TSTID

Claudia815

10-29-2007, 02:59 PM

I am going to wait on it. I am done with Homecoming, though! I just forgot to post it!

TSTID

You TEASE! *don't have the appropriate smilie available here, but it's the one with the red bottom* You know I don't have a lot of time left. :thud:

For those of you who don't really know and don't really care that much, except for Lost folklore... Wherever his spirit is (:p) Christian has been proven wrong once again. The Red Sox did win the Series. Again.

God I love Christian's reaction: My face is always this way.

:roflmao: I know. That's one of the best lines of the episode.

Bella

10-29-2007, 03:04 PM

For those of you who don't really know and don't really care that much, except for Lost folklore... Wherever his spirit is (:p) Christian has been proven wrong once again. The Red Sox did win the Series. Again.

1. DanyE is so gonna post here in a second for that Christian remark. I JUST KNOW IT! :lol:

2. You already know how I feel about the Sox winning! :jump:

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Forever_Erica

10-29-2007, 03:45 PM

Hey my fellow Hussies! Oooooo, questions about Jack....my FAVORITE! :biggrin:

1. Why doesn't Jack want to find out what's in the hatch? Why is he afraid to open the box?

I don’t think that Jack was necessarily afraid of opening the box; he just sees that it’s never going to work, that their plan has failed and he’s ready to move on to plan B. Like most people have already said, Jack sees that the ladder is broken and that there’s no way to get everyone down there in time, end of. His bluntness and practical reasoning about the situation is one of the reasons why Jack and Locke are in constant conflict with one another, 99.9% of the time, Jack uses the left side of his brain while Locke uses the right side.

2. Why does Jack's bedside manner "suck"? Why is he so averse to giving false hope, even if sometimes it's all people have to cling to?

Because if failure is the end result that he’s anticipating (which he’s always looking for the other shoe to drop), he would rather alleviate the pain by just being upfront and honest from the start and not letting someone believe in him or in hope at all, when he knows that it serves little purpose in the long run. In the scene with Sarah, she asks him what has happened to her, Jack doesn’t play around with her serious question, and he doesn’t avert the situation like most doctors in that situation. Most doctors would have said “Just relax, you need to rest” or would have found some other way to forestall the inevitable information, that she will never walk again, but Jack doesn’t allow her to get her hopes up. He gives it to her in a very sensible, doctoral, clinical manner, that’s very impersonal and inhospitable.

He’s such a pragmatist that it’s natural to the point that he doesn’t even know when he’s doing it. That’s his nature. False hope creates a false image and Jack is just not willing to try to live up to something that will never happen. For example, the conversation with Sarah, he tells her that there’s no way that he’s going to save her, he can definitely try, but the result is completely fixed and no amount of hope, false or true, changes that fact. The clinging to something that’s false, the way that Jack tried to hold onto his false image and perception of his marriage, he’s not trying to go there again. Giving himself hope, hope that he himself doesn’t believe in, creates a serious problem for Jack, because we all know that he's a terrible liar, so the truth is the best way to go.

The same thing goes with Hurley. Jack is completely blind to the fact that Hurley just needs someone to believe him, someone to just tell him that he's not crazy, but hey, Jack doesn't know that lol. But he does, in his own way, tell him, 'Hey, they're just numbers...let it go dude...." Awwwr, Jack, you huge MEANIE lol.

3. Did Jack tell Kate the truth about the full half of the glass? Does he believe it? Is he merely giving them hope because it's what the group needs?

Yes and no. I think that he was telling everyone what they wanted and desperately needed to hear, but there was a part of Jack that gave into what he was saying. He’s been all about ‘live together, die alone’ from minute one and that speech that he gave to his fellow survivors was an annex to his speech in WR. He says, “Everything's going to be okay. Let's just take it easy. We're going to be alright. We're going to stay here tonight, okay, together. We've still got 4 guns; we'll put lookouts at all the entrances. We're all going to be safe as long as we stay together. The sun comes up in 3 hours and we're all going to be here to see that happen. I promise.”

The interesting thing about this is that Jack makes a PROMISE. He makes a promise to Sarah “I’m going to fix you”, the same with Boone “I’m going to save you…” We know that when Jack commits to something, he’s in deep, to the point of doing anything possible to get it done, but in this case, he can’t make any guarantees, but he still promises them that they’re safe, and that they will all see the sun rise, a symbolic sign of hope. That’s a leap of faith, some belief in something that’s not 100% certain.

4. Hope again. Desmond tells Jack to "lift it up". Is he another messenger that reinforces Christian's advice? Is Desmond telling him to hope in the face of impossible odds?

Desmond was definitely one to get Jack to believe in miracles or to think about believing in miracles. Jack is convinced without a shadow of a doubt that he failed Sarah, that she will never walk again, and Desmond smiles and asks him “What if you did fix her?” Jack tells him that he has no idea what he’s talking about, that it would be a surefire miracle that Sarah walks again and laughs in Desmond’s face when he asks him if he believes in miracles. The ‘lift it up’ comment is a very ambiguous comment at that, but it’s definitely referring to hope in the face of insurmountable odds. It’s reinforced in the way that Jack is in the Finale, hoping for a miracle in the face of extreme setbacks.

Christian surprises me in this episode. He, of all people, is trying to actually instill some hope and faith in Jack, someone who he has intricately molded into one of the best surgeons in the region, in a 'just the facts ma'am' mindset. It’s a bit ironic that in THP, when Gabriela pleads to Jack that he should just ‘try’ to help her father, the way that he helped Sarah, Christian looks to be completely against Jack even attempting to give Gabriela and her father the slightest glimmer of hope, no matter how ‘false’ that hope is. Okay, so Jack is supposed to give Sarah hope, but he's not allowed to give a dying man and his daughter some hope in their situation, in Christian's words, "...even if there's a 99 percent possibility that they're utterly, hopelessly screwed..." Seems a bit uneven to me.

Erica

workingmom

10-29-2007, 04:15 PM

Bella, I just noticed that we both joined the Fuse on the same day! :hug: That was either a very good day or a very bad day for The Fuselage...:blink:

Bella

10-29-2007, 05:03 PM

Bella, I just noticed that we both joined the Fuse on the same day! :hug: That was either a very good day or a very bad day for The Fuselage...:blink:

:laughing: I'm pretty sure they're still busy ruing the day.

Sucks to be them! :hug:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-29-2007, 05:28 PM

You TEASE! *don't have the appropriate smilie available here, but it's the one with the red bottom*

I would have thought the one with the extended middle fingers. You flatter me!

You know I don't have a lot of time left. :thud:

I forgot all about your impending demise. I better get right on that!

TSTID

Bella

10-29-2007, 05:50 PM

I forgot all about your impending demise. I better get right on that!

TSTID

Whaaaa? OK, I keep seeing references to this. Someone -- please, 'splain! :confused:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-29-2007, 05:59 PM

Whaaaa? OK, I keep seeing references to this. Someone -- please, 'splain! :confused:

Oh, Clauds is going to pop off soon...beginning of November is it?...due to the mega-whammy of a gypsy (I think it's the gypsies) curse placed on her by a madwoman on Youtube.

It's all very tragic, but I think Clauds is setting an inspiring example to us all with her cheerful courage.

I wonder if she's going to keel over suddenly, go up in a huge ball of fire, get struck by lightning, get turned into a rat that is gobbled up by a demonic cat. There are so many ways the gypsies could go with this that I'm almost looking forward to the big day to see how it happened!

TSTID

Bella

10-29-2007, 06:10 PM

Oh, Clauds is going to pop off soon...beginning of November is it?...due to the mega-whammy of a gypsy (I think it's the gypsies) curse placed on her by a madwoman on Youtube.

It's all very tragic, but I think Clauds is setting an inspiring example to us all with her cheerful courage.

I wonder if she's going to keel over suddenly, go up in a huge ball of fire, get struck by lightning, get turned into a rat that is gobbled up by a demonic cat. There are so many ways the gypsies could go with this that I'm almost looking forward to the big day to see how it happened!

TSTID

Ohhhh! Gee, this is so exciting! If it does result in a big ball of flames, what say we remaining hussies use it to toast some S'mores?

:msn-wink:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-29-2007, 06:33 PM

Ohhhh! Gee, this is so exciting! If it does result in a big ball of flames, what say we remaining hussies use it to toast some S'mores?

:msn-wink:

Yes, I think this is a great snack idea for the wake! I'm sure Clauds would be thrilled if we used her untimely fiery demise for such a purpose!

TSTID

Claudia815

10-29-2007, 07:01 PM

I don't think he was afraid until he realized it was Des in the hatch.

Like I said, I tend to watch this and Orientation as an hour and a half movie, I've always watched them together. so that's what I meant by opening the box. It's a nice little metaphore the writers sprinkle throughout the show from Exodus to MOSMOF. The last thing left in Pandora's box is hope. Real hope.

I've always thought that the answer to that question lies in the flashbacks. Jack is afraid to open the box - afraid, really, of everything that Locke is spouting about fate and destiny - because the last time he believed, he got hurt badly.

Locke was at his crazy best that night, willing to forget the threat against the group all to just propel down the flaming death hole.

Locke was a drowning man who was given an oxygen mask. His faith was badly shaken by Boone's death, but he was searching for hope (and maybe Twinkies) and he's never been the one to let the losties' lives get in the way of it. Jack is very well aware of their "Locke problem".

I don't really think he's afraid. His first reaction was entirely pragmatic after seeing the broken ladder - there was no way to get 40 people safely in there in the space of a couple hours, so move on to the next pressing issue - getting back to the group at the caves.

Oh, that's absolutely priority number one. But it's not just Orientation, it's also the way Locke reads him. He's very... omnious in that scene (right befor we cut to flashback) and I kinda trust Locke on that for some odd reason.

to answer why jack went back to the hatch. he cant consciously let go or not care.
he cared about one thing only.. that was Kate. he never once yelled for Locke nor did he care.. he was concerned with Kate.
he tried to stay for the "good of the many" but realized that his heart wouldnt let him rest and leave "the one" like everyone else.. no one else cared.. but Jack!

Plus, I think with the possible exception of Sayid, nobody knows what Locke's really capable of when it comes to the Island. Jack's the only one who heard Locke's new definition of Boone.

People wanted to believe rescue would come, but he knew there would be no rescue and he didn't hide that he felt that way from anyone.

Excellent point. I'd forgotten about that. They also needed a kick up the behind so they can start working for their own survival.

I don't think its that he necessarily wants to take that hope away from people - I just think he wants people to know the truth.

Yeah. People who've been manipulated and lied to tend to react that way.

I think seeing Desmond again after that one experience in the stadium, is just part of Jack's path to becoming a man of faith.

I'm kinda hoping he doesn't, or at least not in the same vein as Locke. I want him to stay fundamentally a skeptic, but one who's reached the stage of acceptance on some things. The title of the episode is about Jack as a mixture of both and how he lost one and clings to another, so I'm not saying I don't want him to balance the two again. Maybe despite the crazy pill popping, the 2007 flashforward is where he achieves that.

I'm confused, though, because by this time Charlie and Sayid had returned with Aaron and told the group that the warnings from Rousseau of "the Others are coming!" was a ruse. So why is everyone so scared? I'm surprised Jack didn't point this out - or maybe upon the Splodey Hatch Expedition Force's arrival back at the caves, no one filled them in on the whole story, since Losties never do that.

Yeah, that would not surprise me. :lol2: A lot had happened that day with the raft launching the babynapping and Sayid blowing up Charlie's head. Even if Danielle faked the babynapping, the Losties are aware of the Others' existence out there in the jungle.

Jack and Locke are in constant conflict with one another, 99.9% of the time, Jack uses the left side of his brain while Locke uses the right side.

:roflmao: Just like in most marriages.

Giving himself hope, hope that he himself doesn’t believe in, creates a serious problem for Jack,

The You fixed me scene from Do No Harm comes to mind.

Good point about the difference from THP. I think a lil' bit of professional jealousy might have been involved. Just a smidge. But at the same time, he might have been trying to protect Jack from failure.

beginning of November is it?...
It's all very tragic, but I think Clauds is setting an inspiring example to us all with her cheerful courage.

Tuesday night. Non, rien de rien. Non, je ne regrete rien. I've had the time of my life as a hussy.

Ohhhh! Gee, this is so exciting! If it does result in a big ball of flames, what say we remaining hussies use it to toast some S'mores?

:msn-wink:

Yes. Oh, yes, please!

ETA: Also... if you could please place this week's Art Appreciation exhibit (as seen on last page) somewhere close to my ashes, I'd be eternally grateful.

Bella

10-29-2007, 07:39 PM

Yes. Oh, yes, please!

I knew you'd be agreeable. We promise to not only eat lots of S'mores... ;) .... but we'll do it on a beach in Oahu, and invite Foxy. There's no way he could refuse to attend the "campfire" memorial for one of his most devoted hussies, after all. Which reminds me... TSTID -- you bring the Foxylife-sized graham crackers, and I'll bring the marshmallows.

:naughty:

ETA: Re: YOUR ETA: Consider it done.

workingmom

10-29-2007, 07:54 PM

Hufflepuff

10-30-2007, 07:08 AM

I will bring the beer, ok? :cheers:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-30-2007, 12:16 PM

Tragically, I lost my Internet connection late last night as I was preparing to do my review. I think the gypsies have worked their dark magic on my computer. I will not be home this evening either, so I will have to do my MOSMOF rewind as a recitation at the wake, as we down our tear-sodden smores and bask in the glow of the cracking fire that is all that is left of Clauds.

The giant graham crackers are on their way. Who's bringing the booze?

TSTID

yas_m

10-30-2007, 12:37 PM

So, Clauds? Who do you have listed as your beneficiary? :hypocrit:

I mean I'd hate to go into some ugly battle with mom, she'll just blow the **** out of me :p
but just remember your twin loves you dearly and will miss you. You are an important part of my favorite triangle ;)

Claudia815

10-30-2007, 12:46 PM

Ahem, as the younger Rousseau, she's sans doute going to go in a big ball of fire and blow all kinds of **** up in her wake.

Hell yeah! :blowup:

I will not be home this evening either, so I will have to do my MOSMOF rewind as a recitation at the wake, as we down our tear-sodden smores and bask in the glow of the cracking fire that is all that is left of Clauds.

The giant graham crackers are on their way. Who's bringing the booze?

Look upthread. Problem solved. Due to timezone and DST complications, I may still be around to enjoy my wake rewind tomorrow, so make sure you post those Roadkill Wig thoughts ASAP.

PS: I'll take Homecoming in the meantime. ;)

Yasy, I'm not sure you want to come into something that might have been touched by the curse.

Since I'm drawing out my last hussy breaths, today is my day when you're supposed to pamper and lavish me with Dr.Jack goodies.

Proceed with lots and lots of pictures, or picture essays or whatever suits your mood. Yeah, I'm demanding. :schmoll: I need to stare at the pretty before it's too late.

ETA: :doh: Forgot why I came here (stressful day...) I was going to ask if you guys want to have a live rewind party for Orientation, hopefully at a more convenient time for all timezones involved. Any suggestions? I was thinking of doing Jack episodes this way, but he's there a lot in Orientation, so if you're available... Any suggestions?

Forever_Erica

10-30-2007, 01:24 PM

Tragically, I lost my Internet connection late last night as I was preparing to do my review. I think the gypsies have worked their dark magic on my computer...

Awww, I'm sorry about your computer TSTID. Coincidence that it happened so close to Halloween lol? Who knows. But I hope that everything works out! I can't wait to read your review of Homecoming and MOS/MOF.

ETA: :doh: Forgot why I came here (stressful day...) I was going to ask if you guys want to have a live rewind party for Orientation, hopefully at a more convenient time for all timezones involved. Any suggestions? I was thinking of doing Jack episodes this way, but he's there a lot in Orientation, so if you're available... Any suggestions?

Oooooooo! "Orientation", A LOT of angry, "I'm going to stare you down like you're crazy" Jack! I love it!

Well, Clauds, for my situation, I can't do it on weeknights, because I just HAD to go to college... and I actually expect myself to get good grades...:censored:. But if it works out for everyone else, I can just skip out on the LIVE rewind and post my review separately. ;)

Erica

Dany_E

10-30-2007, 02:46 PM

Since I'm drawing out my last hussy breaths, today is my day when you're supposed to pamper and lavish me with Dr.Jack goodies.

I hope you check in at least daily during the deathwatch Claudia. If you don't show up for a couple of days, I'm going to worry.

Forever_Erica

10-30-2007, 03:14 PM

I hope you check in at least daily during the deathwatch Claudia. If you don't show up for a couple of days, I'm going to worry.

:shesaid: and if you don't check in.... :bangin:

Erica

workingmom

10-30-2007, 03:56 PM

Since I'm drawing out my last hussy breaths, today is my day when you're supposed to pamper and lavish me with Dr.Jack goodies.

Proceed with lots and lots of pictures, or picture essays or whatever suits your mood. Yeah, I'm demanding. :schmoll: I need to stare at the pretty before it's too late.

Well, if there's any evil eye that can out-hex an Irish gypsy, it's got to be this one (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/wkgm/foxy44.jpg?t=1193773889). Or this one (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Exodus/doME.jpg?t=1193774324).
And to go out with a bang,:blowup: you might need some help with your lighter (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/wkgm/brianbowensmithsmoking.jpg?t=1193774011).

But don't give up, Dr. Jack might still be able to save you (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/wkgm/homecoming037.jpg?t=1193774097).

oochie

10-30-2007, 04:09 PM

Since I'm drawing out my last hussy breaths, today is my day when you're supposed to pamper and lavish me with Dr.Jack goodies.

Um, you mean something like that:

It’s not Dr. Jack but it’s the next best thing (http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb221/foxyoochie/PO5/p1x02x13ga1zn.jpg) :thumbup1:

Bella

10-30-2007, 04:24 PM

When are we doing Orientation? And here or at the other place? (I'm voting for the latter!!!)

Claudia815

10-30-2007, 06:57 PM

Awwwr... You guys are too sweet. I have to work overtime today of all days, but I knew this would make it all better.

Well, if there's any evil eye that can out-hex an Irish gypsy, it's got to be this one (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/wkgm/foxy44.jpg?t=1193773889). Or this one (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Exodus/doME.jpg?t=1193774324).

I think hussies know EXACTLY where the mojo is... :thud:

When are we doing Orientation?

I think a weekend night works best, probably Friday. The timezone thing... European/Non-American hussies raise your hand if you have suggestions and can wake up on a Saturday morning (Friday night for us). Math is not one of my superpowers...

yas_m

10-31-2007, 03:07 AM

I think a weekend night works best, probably Friday. The timezone thing... European/Non-American hussies raise your hand if you have suggestions and can wake up on a Saturday morning (Friday night for us). Math is not one of my superpowers...

*raises hand* I can make it Saturday morning, but I am better off than the EU hussies as it will be later here. So whatever's fine with them will be ok with me.

iorwen

10-31-2007, 06:22 AM

So has anyone else heard Foxy might be in the Dallas movie?

Hufflepuff

10-31-2007, 08:44 AM

Since I haven´t managed to visit lately at least I want to stop by and wish all the Foxhussys:pumpking: Happy Halloween!

yas_m

10-31-2007, 08:51 AM

So has anyone else heard Foxy might be in the Dallas movie?

I just read it here. (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Scoop-Matthew-Fox-And-Rob-Lowe-In-Dallas-Movie-6803.html)

:eek1:

and

:shutup:

aliaskate18

10-31-2007, 10:19 AM

Dallas movie
Ohh nooo
And Happy Halloween!

Claudia815

10-31-2007, 12:34 PM

*speaks with voice from beyond* I'm not sure which dimenssion I'm in... but it'd be nice to bump into Frank and be able to haunt him. :3:

Since I haven´t managed to visit lately at least I want to stop by and wish all the Foxhussys:pumpking: Happy Halloween!

Oooooh, I didn't know we had a winking pumpkin. Thanks, Hufflepuff! :smile:

Happy Halloween and Happy New Year and a Happy Festivus for the rest of us!

Lovey finds all these treats for us so here's one that makes my neck all tingly (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/random/bitemeeeee.jpg).

So has anyone else heard Foxy might be in the Dallas movie?

:roflmao: Is there anything the Internet's NOT casting him in lately?

I have aunts and great aunts and grandmas who would automatically become hussies, should this actually happen (which I doubt). I'm not sure if I feel delighted about that or a little disturbed. Hey, maybe they remake the famous shower scene... :24:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-31-2007, 01:27 PM

No, this is just plain wrong. If he's going to take on the larger than life dramatic legacy of Patrick Duffy, he needs to start with "Man From Atlantis."

:roflmao: Is there anything the Internet's NOT casting him in lately?

The Smurf Movie. But give it time.

TSTID

iorwen

10-31-2007, 02:24 PM

Hey, maybe they remake the famous shower scene... :24:

what shower scene? I never watched Dallas. I need someone to describe said shower scene so I can visualize Foxy in it

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

10-31-2007, 02:39 PM

It would be a scene with copious amount of water falling on Foxy, while he is wearing no clothing. What more do you need to know? :biggrin:

TSTID

workingmom

10-31-2007, 03:00 PM

*speaks with voice from beyond* I'm not sure which dimenssion I'm in... but it'd be nice to bump into Frank and be able to haunt him. :3:
And I'm sure you'll do a much better, more thorough, job of it than those other lady ghosts. :whitey:

iorwen

10-31-2007, 06:32 PM

It would be a scene with copious amount of water falling on Foxy, while he is wearing no clothing. What more do you need to know? :biggrin:

TSTID

I need details! I need to know how the soap suds cascade down his body and is the water hot? Is there steam coming off his rippling muscles? DETAILS!
I mean its supposedly a "famous shower scene" something had to make it unique to make it famous

Franci

11-01-2007, 06:55 AM

So has anyone else heard Foxy might be in the Dallas movie?
wo oooh! :roflmao: I wouldn't mind actually.I'm a sick fangirl.More movies,more Foxy.
And I've never really watched Dallas,so I'm intrigued by this infamous shower scene

The Smurf Movie

LOL! here we go again.The Smurfs,my favorite topic.ah! If I remember well we'd already found the perfect role (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/hefty.gif) for him.

Dany_E

11-01-2007, 08:36 AM

No, this is just plain wrong. If he's going to take on the larger than life dramatic legacy of Patrick Duffy, he needs to start with "Man From Atlantis."
TSTID

I loved "Man from Atlantis". It didn't last very long. It sure was hard to swim like him.

Glad you're still around, Claudia.:thumbup:

Claudia815

11-01-2007, 10:36 AM

LOL! here we go again.The Smurfs,my favorite topic.ah! If I remember well we'd already found the perfect role (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/hefty.gif) for him.

:shesaid: He's perfect for Hefty Smurf so take note, Internet Casting Directors. Plus, he's already familiarized with the plot, since the Lost writers so blatantly and shamelessly lifted it and used it for Juliet's introduction in season three.

I loved "Man from Atlantis". It didn't last very long. It sure was hard to swim like him.

Hmm. Wait. So... it involves drenching him in lots and lots of water (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Armpr0n/boat1.jpg)and having him swim (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/mmm2.jpg)around a lot? I'm going to write my own casting rumor right. now. Maybe wishing for it really, really hard will make it true...

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-01-2007, 11:54 AM

Hmm. Wait. So... it involves drenching him in lots and lots of water (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Armpr0n/boat1.jpg)and having him swim (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/mmm2.jpg)around a lot? I'm going to write my own casting rumor right. now. Maybe wishing for it really, really hard will make it true...

See what I mean? We want Man From Atlantis, trust me on this.

TSTID

hellybongo

11-01-2007, 01:51 PM

I need details! I need to know how the soap suds cascade down his body and is the water hot? Is there steam coming off his rippling muscles? DETAILS!
I mean its supposedly a "famous shower scene" something had to make it unique to make it famous

Unfotunately if its the scene I'm thinking of it doesn't involve the 'things' we love oh so much about the idea of Foxy in the shower...well apart from the nakedness.
If my memory serves me right its something to do with all of the seasons episode being a dream (Bobby was shot in the program and then at the end of the series the shower door opens revealing Bobby very much alive and Pammy (his wife) saying something like "I just had a really weird dream") or something along them lines.

But hey, any movie that wants to put a wet Fox (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/sos-cap560-1.jpg) in a shower (http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/hellybongo/2x16-truth-cap197.jpg) thats fine by me:biggrin:

iorwen

11-01-2007, 03:32 PM

unfortunately Flyer already burst my bubble by telling me that, that was indeed the famous shower scene:frown: But your pics made up for it :kiss:

Forever_Erica

11-01-2007, 07:22 PM

Hey my fellow Hussies! I'm here (3 days late mind you lol) to submit my Art Appreciation assignment.

I've been such a BAD student...Clauds, I don't blame you if you gave me an F for the course and kicked me out of class on my behind, but here, I tried as best I could to form coherent sentences while looking at the one of most Alpha-Male stances I have ever seen!

Here goes nothing! ;)

:smart: Art Appreciation Monday (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/LTDA/splayness.jpg):smart:

"Jack...You’re So Full of Splayness….."

1. The FACE — His eyes are dark, brooding, searching, pondering, telling me everything that I want to know about what’s going on inside. Anger. Confusion. Perplexity. Complete 'WTF?'-worthy. His lips, slightly agape, conveying the fact that in the moment he is completely speechless… (and his lips are just begging to be…:naughty:)

2. The ARMS — Extended at either side. Long. Hard. Foreboding. His hands. Completely capable of doing some serious damage to some poor soul. Accentuating the long lean contours of his demanding and inspiring abdomen, contributing to the incredibly sexy outline of his bodice in its entirety.

3. The SHOULDERS — The straps of the backpack…..emphasizing the massive power of his shoulders, worthy of all of the attention in the world…The straps help the spectator to appreciate his strong and robust midsection even further, pulling the sides of his shirt ever so slightly, creating puddles of drool at my feet at each glance….and pulling the eye further down…to other desirable and popular areas of this Adonis.

4. The SHIRT — Mmmmmm…one of my favorites. Purple. Sleeveless. Slightly open at the top, teasing us with a sneek peek of what’s on show underneath. The backpack straps again help to open that small slit even further, judging from the constricting pull at the button that holds the shirt together there (:censored:…button…..BREAK ALREADY! Better yet, just make one huge rip RIGHT down the middle...)

Last but NOT least…..

5. The STANCE — Okay, now Jack has many ways in which he uses his body to convey what he’s thinking, feeling or thinking about feeling in certain situations, but THIS stance….it looks as if he’s about to duke it out with someone and the end result involves bloodshed. His hands are loose, at his sides, not yet threatening but on the verge; his face is contorted, concentrating on something that has been said or something that has happened that has thrown him off guard. Judging from the thigh-action, his left leg (from his perspective) is slightly in front of his right…telling me that he’s taking a step forward…There’s so much going on with his body language… that it’s screaming, "WTF did you just say?!" and countless other expletive comments that convey surprise and that a beat-down is on the horizon.

The perfect architecture of splayness on display...Ahhhhhhh.

Jack, you SPLAY me. Seriously.

Erica

shoegirl

11-01-2007, 08:00 PM

:shesaid: He's perfect for Hefty Smurf so take note, Internet Casting Directors. Plus, he's already familiarized with the plot, since the Lost writers so blatantly and shamelessly lifted it and used it for Juliet's introduction in season three.

Hmm. Wait. So... it involves drenching him in lots and lots of water (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Armpr0n/boat1.jpg)and having him swim (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/mmm2.jpg)around a lot? I'm going to write my own casting rumor right. now. Maybe wishing for it really, really hard will make it true...

:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: So So glad you are still among the living sweetie!!

I'm thinking the lucky line in your signature could cause Foxy to get the Man from Atlantis role. :biggrin: Didn't you get Chuck Norris' lawyers for him. And I'm pretty sure, Jack Wins, is destiny thanks to you and your efforts. Hey well, I'd vote for him playing a younger Maximus from Gladiator. Skirt, horse, legs, roman civilization, Latin, .... any questions?

Erica, Better late than never. No F this time for you. Only, you have homework. Find more splayness. :biggrin:

I Choose Splayed and Gorgeous Jack.

Shoe

Perdue

11-01-2007, 08:35 PM

I really didn't like Dallas and I can't work up any enthusiasm for anyone to make a repeat of it. Matt might be okay as Bobby, but surely there is a better role to showcase his talents than that! He is so ideally suited to playing Jack, I'm not sure I would want to see him in a soap opera like Dallas.

ETA: I'm a real fan of period dramas so I'd go for something Roman!

Claudia815

11-01-2007, 11:17 PM

4. The SHIRT — Mmmmmm…one of my favorites. Purple. Sleeveless. Slightly open at the top, teasing us with a sneek peek of what’s on show underneath.

The perfect architecture of splayness on display...Ahhhhhhh.

Jack, you SPLAY me.

Dear Erica. It is inconceivable to me that any student who uses the words "Jack, you splay me!" would even dream of getting anything but an A+. Seriously. Aside from being an excellent art student, you have also proven yourself to be a keen observer of the hus... human psyche. :ntworthy:

I'm thinking the lucky line in your signature could cause Foxy to get the Man from Atlantis role. :biggrin: Didn't you get Chuck Norris' lawyers for him.

No, no, no, no, no. Chuck Norris IS his lawyer. I think TSTID has other priorities for his career, but she can now add Man Of Atlantis to the list that will forever be headed by Phillip Marlowe.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-01-2007, 11:25 PM

I think TSTID has other priorities for his career, but she can now add Man Of Atlantis to the list that will forever be headed by Phillip Marlowe.

Oh, I want to see him as Philip Marlowe so badly it's tantamount to torture not to cast him. Frank Taylor gives such a lovely idea of what could be, that it's exquisite agony.

I also want to see him as a cowboy, then a soldier (preferably WW2), then the Man From Atlantis, and then Ned Flanders in a live action Simpson's film, which would preferably include the musical "Streetcar!" in which Flanders plays Stanley Kowalski and strips off his shirt and displays his magnificent upper body to an amazed Springfield crowd.

TSTID

Bella

11-01-2007, 11:55 PM

Frank Taylor

Hello? Did someone mention Frank?

:w00t:

Lovey

11-02-2007, 12:10 AM

Anyone who knows me knows I have this dream of him playing a fighter pilot straight top (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/Foxy/LuckyCargoMatthewFox_004.jpg) gun (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/Foxy/GQ200602.jpg) style (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/Foxy/Ace.jpg).

Flightsuit, Leather Jacket, Pilot Sunglasses, Motorcycle, Buzzcut, White Dress Uniform, I want it all.

Jack Black would of course be his "GOOSE" :eek2: And his call sign (in my head anyway) would be a shoutout to Jack Shephard *of course* and his mad poker skills... "Ace".

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-02-2007, 12:48 AM

Hello? Did someone mention Frank?

:w00t:

I did! FRANK TAYLOR! I did it again! FRANKFRANKFRANK! I'm mentioning him with impunity!

Perhaps there's someone somewhere monitoring usage of the name FRANK TAYLOR to measure interest in releasing the DVDs, televising a Haunted marathon, or even doing an epic, three hour film, big budget adaptation. So, the more we mention FRANK, the better.

TSTFrankTaylorID

yas_m

11-02-2007, 05:13 AM

OMGFRANK!!!!!

I finally watched an episode thanks to Kacey........

:thud:

I need more.... The hiatus is finally starting to seem bearable.

Bella

11-02-2007, 09:54 AM

I did! FRANK TAYLOR! I did it again! FRANKFRANKFRANK! I'm mentioning him with impunity!

Perhaps there's someone somewhere monitoring usage of the name FRANK TAYLOR to measure interest in releasing the DVDs, televising a Haunted marathon, or even doing an epic, three hour film, big budget adaptation. So, the more we mention FRANK, the better.

TSTFrankTaylorID

That's exactly what I suggested! Come on, give us a movie to wrap things up, people! I NEED FRANK! And I need him NOW.

TeeveesFranksBella

Claudia815

11-02-2007, 10:05 AM

gun (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/Foxy/GQ200602.jpg)

He has to give you THAT look too, doesn't he? My, but we're a demanding bunch... and rightfully so.

OMGFRANK!!!!!

:thud:

I need more...

I suggest you order the Pilot (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/thankyounaughtynurse.jpg), Three (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/frankhaunted3.jpg) Hour Tour (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/3hourtour239.jpg) and Nexus (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/nose.jpg), where MF made me actually pay attention to the plot... Yes, he was THAT good... he distracted me from my usual Frank viewing experience ~> :drool:

The one you saw was also beautifully acted and ripped my Frank-loving heart to shreds with that Irish lullaby, but... I'm only human after all (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Haunted/last-call352.jpg)! :hypocrit:

I NEED FRANK! And I need him NOW.

I'm afraid you ladies (there I go, misusing the term again...) are going to have to write your own since Hollywood is apparently going to shut down for a while. We need to take advantage of the situation. :biggrin:

Bella

11-02-2007, 10:26 AM

I'm afraid you ladies (there I go, misusing the term again...) are going to have to write your own since Hollywood is apparently going to shut down for a while. We need to take advantage of the situation. :biggrin:

Wait, wait, wait. WE'RE not going on strike though! We'll just have to write some HAUNTED fanfic!

:jump:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-02-2007, 10:42 AM

OMGFRANK!!!!!

I finally watched an episode thanks to Kacey........

:thud:

I need more.... The hiatus is finally starting to seem bearable.

That's a particularly good one too!

To me Party of Five makes the hiaitus bearable, believe it or not. Haunted makes it rather enjoyable. :biggrin:

TSTID

yas_m

11-02-2007, 11:48 AM

Oh, btw, are we still per watching Orientation tonight/tomorrow morning?

Claudia815

11-02-2007, 12:25 PM

Oh, btw, are we still per watching Orientation tonight/tomorrow morning?

Definitely. I love our hussy slumber parties. If Francesca and the other European hussies don't want to join in... how early can you wake up? :biggrin: Just kidding. If anyone has any other time suggestions, speak now or show up at midnight EST tonight.

kickflip_chick

11-02-2007, 03:33 PM

whispervixen

11-02-2007, 03:37 PM

Bella

11-02-2007, 05:07 PM

Definitely. I love our hussy slumber parties. If Francesca and the other European hussies don't want to join in... how early can you wake up? :biggrin: Just kidding. If anyone has any other time suggestions, speak now or show up at midnight EST tonight.

Count me out. I got a flu shot and I'm feeling it. :migrane:

Give Jack some licks for me.

Lovey

11-02-2007, 11:55 PM

*knocks* Hello? Anyone here? I'm here for the rewind. I think I'm getting stood up! ;)

*pouts*

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 12:00 AM

Whisper just informed me of this, and I just had to come out of hiding to post it.

Guess who's a lucky girl? (http://www.visit4info.com/preview-flash.cfm?vm=0&type=3&adid=51859)

:rotflmao2: :rotflmao2:

:biggrin: This made me laugh twice. Once because even though I hate ship names, I think Jamy is very sweet. :lol2: And second, because it brought whispervixen back to us and her avatar was bound to have me giggling since that show is my crack!

Ladies, lurking gentlemen and beloved hussies, welcome to the second Live Jack Show Rewind Party! Tonight, Orientation: The One Where Locke Wants His Kidney Back, Dr.Candle Mindfraks Us, Ana Pwns Sawyer Part 1 and Locke Begs Jack To Settle Down In The Hatch With Him So They Can Push Buttons And Watch Vintage Movies Together In A Totally Non-Gay Way.

Previously on The Jack Show: we didn't watch Adrift because Jack had only one new line, it takes a Jack-lite episode as awesome as The 23rd Psalm to keep us interested and let's face it... this one kinda sucked. But before that, Jack wrapped up his beautiful hands and rapelled in the hatch to the swooning sound of fangirls everwhere to meet Locke's destiny: a drunken (still kinda hot) Scotsman pointing a rifle at them.

Ready? Put the DVD in and... push the button!

workingmom

11-03-2007, 12:10 AM

Eko is one big scary dude.

So Jack takes time out of a gun-to-head faceoff to get philosophical with John - "So this is what you were talking about Locke? Is this your destiny? 'All roads lead here.'"
Clearly having a gun to his head wasn't part of Locke's grand plan.

Most incongruous line of episode: "He's unarmed." Most common-sense line of the episode: "He just had a gun to your head."

I would have told off Francine and her whining about $30 too if I had Locke's backstory too.
100%
Jack is clearly freaked out by finding Clarence the Angel in the hatch on Craphole Island and demands an explanation - something that might make sense to him. He gets an explanation but it doesn't fit in his belief system still. He doesn't quite believe Desmond and still has no explanation for the coicidence. Can't be the F-word. John's the one that wants that. (Fate, you hussies.)

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 12:19 AM

Guess what Michael's first words were this episode! Go ahead!

For the record, when he returns, I'll be oddly disappointed if the first words out of his mouth are NOT "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt! Mah boy! Where's mah boy!"

Most incongruous line of episode: "He's unarmed." Most common-sense line of the episode: "He just had a gun to your head."

Locke's definition of unarmed is... well... Lockian. :lol2:

Jack displays some nice cop-like abilities there, keeping Desmond to the ground... Oh, wait. I'm not focusing on the relevant details here, am I? It's all his fault, dammit! :thud:

I would have told off Francine and her whining about $30 too if I had Locke's backstory too.

I love that line. Easy there, John, that empty hole saved your life apparently.And I love Helen.

LOCKE: "I'm not bald."

HELEN: "I can wait."

Hehehe.

"JACK: Because the last time I saw a computer that was going to save the world, it didn't look like that."

Did anyone else think of HAL? That's the first thought that crossed my mind when I heard the line and I hadn't watched Space Odyssey in years.

lulinha_k

11-03-2007, 12:19 AM

*de-lurking*
ZOMG we are LIVE! :14happy:

*back to lurker*

Lovey

11-03-2007, 12:19 AM

I would have told off Francine and her whining about $30 too if I had Locke's backstory too.

That's probably one of my favorite Locke moments ever.

I'm sure Clauds will say something about this but, Jack taking the jar hostage is just so him. The back and forth banter between he and Locke throughout this entire episode is some of the best in Lost history, in my opinion.

And awwww Hurley is so cute and helpful and adorably paranoid.

banshee

11-03-2007, 12:20 AM

:biggrin: This made me laugh twice. Once because even though I hate ship names, I think Jamy is very sweet. :lol2: And second, because it brought whispervixen back to us and her avatar was bound to have me giggling since that show is my crack!

Ladies, lurking gentlemen and beloved hussies, welcome to the second Live Jack Show Rewind Party! Tonight, Orientation: The One Where Locke Wants His Kidney Back, Dr.Candle Mindfraks Us, Ana Pwns Sawyer Part 1 and Locke Begs Jack To Settle Down In The Hatch With Him So They Can Push Buttons And Watch Vintage Movies Together In A Totally Non-Gay Way.

Previously on The Jack Show: we didn't watch Adrift because Jack had only one new line, it takes a Jack-lite episode as awesome as The 23rd Psalm to keep us interested and let's face it... this one kinda sucked. But before that, Jack wrapped up his beautiful hands and rapelled in the hatch to the swooning sound of fangirls everwhere to meet Locke's destiny: a drunken (still kinda hot) Scotsman pointing a rifle at them.

Ready? Put the DVD in and... push the button!I heard there was a party going on :punk: Can anyone join this dance? ;)

:wavey: Foxes!!!!! I just returned from 2 weeks of travels so I promise I didn't poof again...:hug: to all and I'm :jump: to be here for the rewind :biggrin:

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 12:23 AM

Well, hello there! Jump in!

I'm sure Clauds will say something about this but, Jack taking the jar hostage is just so him.

Gimme the picture, dammit! Jack taking the poor, defenseless jar hostage to achieve his nefarious purposes is just another one of those moments when the dictator makes us all hot and flustered here in his harem.

For those who complain that the losties never ask any questions... Jack asks PLENTY during his confrontation with Desmond/Locke.

Lovey

11-03-2007, 12:23 AM

"Because the last time I saw the computer that saved the world, It didn't look like that"

There is nothing like Shephard logic. :biggrin:
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Here you go, Clauds. Ask and you shall recieve.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/Lost_2x03_Orientation0147-Ar.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/orientation-cap141.jpg

Forever_Erica

11-03-2007, 12:26 AM

Banshee, it's GREAT to see you back!

Okay, the first ten minutes for me!

OMG, poor Francine, now she can't afford to....*insert sarcastic joke here*. Locke, IMHO, has a right to be pissed off. These people are whining about their measly problems and yet he has to wake up every day with that scar on his back and know that he'd been HAD in the worst way possible. I just don't get why he's even there with those losers....oh, maybe because he's the future loser that gets held at gunpoint by the man that's supposed to 'save' them all....yeah, way to stick 'em Locke.

Jack is just...GAH. Love him when he's all gun-friendly and screaming..."Where's ERICA!?" Oh :censored:, he didn't say that did he? Only in my head. Poo.

Oh and I completely skipped the three stooges getting dragged by the Tailies. I think you all know why and if you don't, all you gotta do is ask. ;)

Erica

workingmom

11-03-2007, 12:26 AM

Bansh! Luka! It's a party!
:group:

Lovey

11-03-2007, 12:27 AM

Jack is just...GAH. Love him when he's all gun-friendly and screaming..."Where's ERICA!?" Oh :censored:, he didn't say that did he? Only in my head. Poo.

LOL!!! Oh my. Erica.
You SPLAY me.

lulinha_k

11-03-2007, 12:28 AM

Oh... my... GOD! :eek1:
Banshee! :hug: :clapping: :clap: :heart: :party: :party: :party:

Mom! :hug::party::party::party:

workingmom

11-03-2007, 12:30 AM

Lovey

11-03-2007, 12:32 AM

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/orientation-cap308.jpg

I feel the sickness coming on. He's getting all frustrated and angry at Des and me likey.

workingmom

11-03-2007, 12:34 AM

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 12:34 AM

Thank you, Lovey! :kisss: That second one... mmm... what a big gun you have...

Jack is just...GAH. Love him when he's all gun-friendly and screaming..."Where's ERICA!?" Oh :censored:, he didn't say that did he? Only in my head. Poo.

Poo.

Oh... my... GOD! :eek1:
Banshee! :hug: :clapping: :clap: :heart: :party: :party: :party:

My parties bring all the hussies to the yard and damn right it's better than yours... damn right it's better than yours... I could teach you, but I'd have to charge.../*shakes booty* We need music for a party. :14happy:

I know the Orientation video by heart now so I'm skipping it. I'll keep it in mind for questions after the party though.

Jack's so done. He needs more than just take time off. He needs to be by himself. Interesting that when we talked about him being a solitary creature and listing all those times when he needs to be by himself and goes away for a while, we forgot this.

This is one of the most intense, crazy events since he's landed there and once he's heard the story, he tells Locke: "You're on your own" and steps outside.

Lovey

11-03-2007, 12:39 AM

Locke's scar for the kidney removal is in about the same place as Jack's. Interesting.
I'd forgotten it was Helen to use the phrase "leap of faith", telling Locke to let go of his resentment toward his father and move forward. Locke saves it for the end of the episode and lays it on Jack. Is pushing the button a real leap of faith for Jack or is he just doing it to shut John up?

MOM I was just about to say the SAME THING about Locke's scar. Its interesting how on island, Locke is in Helen's position and Jack is in Locke's. I think Jack pushing the button is a little bit of both. Faith... and necessity.

OMG - I miss being able to enjoy Sawyer like I used to. "How'd you get the gun?" "Because I'm LUCKY"

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 12:40 AM

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/orientation-cap308.jpg

I feel the sickness coming on.

Take my temperature, Dr.Jack. I think there's something terribly, terribly wrong with me... :naughty:

Locke's scar for the kidney removal is in about the same place as Jack's. Interesting.

Oh. I'd never noticed that. :ntworthy:

Is pushing the button a real leap of faith for Jack or is he just doing it to shut John up?

We'll keep that as an excellent discussion question

Jack asks Desmond if he ever thought the whole button and hatch thing is just a mind game. I love Des' answer and his delivery: Every. Single. Day.

I'm glad they addressed the Skinners Box theory. In the end, there was a mindfrak experiment on the island like Jack suspected, but they were in the wrong station.

Locke is left alone again.
"This wasn't supposed to happen." Fateful words now, huh?

What I find very interesting is that he turns to Jack and asks like a little lost boy: "What should we do?" I don't know why that's never struck me before...

Forever_Erica

11-03-2007, 12:40 AM

LOL!!! Oh my. Erica.
You SPLAY me.

Awwww, Lovey, thank you my dear. I splay myself sometimes, but with Jack's help of course. ;) Actually he's doing all the work, I just love to watch.

OMFG...LUKA! Whoa. Hussy-overload! :biggrin:

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The Big Three. Locke. Jack. Desmond. Trying to figure out what the :censored: the other is thinking.

Jack listens to Desmond's story with an air of, "WTF are you talking about? Are you just making this up as you go along?" And Locke is like, "So...you need a roomie?" It's just a very heavy scene, full of confusion and yet Jack STILL doesn't believe Desmond. "Don't tell me you believe this. This is crazy. You think that makes sense -- pushing a button? You're going to take his word for it?" Jack needs more than your word Brotha, if you expect him to believe some cockamimee story about saving the world with a computer that was used during the Reagan administration. Sorry. Jack needs a little more assurance than that.

Erica

Lovey

11-03-2007, 12:43 AM

I'm just going to say this. A man who can fix a busted computer in less than 5 min is a handy guy to have around.

lulinha_k

11-03-2007, 12:44 AM

Jack asks Desmond if he ever thought the whole button and hatch thing is just a mind game. I love Des' answer and his delivery: Every. Single. Day.

I was still enamored of Desmond in this ep. The luster kind of came off in Season 3.

Poor Locke. He finds his guru, and his guru runs away. Locke is left alone again.
"This wasn't supposed to happen." Fateful words now, huh?

I was totally in love with Desmond by this point. The accent... :redface: :rolleyes:
And I was still in love with Kate, she whispering Jack´s name when she sees him...
And Locke... oh boy, sometimes i don´t know if I really love Locke, or if I trully hate him... :undecide:

Lovey

11-03-2007, 12:51 AM

MAN I just love that ending scene with Jack and Locke. Gets me EVERY TIME. I also love that Sayid is all, "This argument is irrelevant." hahahaha... I love him. His is the voice of reason.

This (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/orientation-cap561.jpg) look on Jack's face when Locke says he'll take the first shift just says it all for me. I really miss the hatch stuff.

workingmom

11-03-2007, 12:51 AM

This is one of the most intense, crazy events since he's landed there and once he's heard the story, he tells Locke: "You're on your own" and steps outside.
True, but he went running after Desmond cause he's still freaked out by him.
That encounter in the jungle sparked so much speculation that Sarah had died. But she had just killed him inside.
Knowing Desmond's story now, that he is tormented by a failed relationship as well (at least until the stadium), makes it more poignant.

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 12:54 AM

"JACK: Shut up!"

*downs shot*

JACK: Why are you running? You don't even know what you're running from?

DESMOND: I remember you -- running -- I know you -- I met you -- Los Angeles.

"Running" triggers Desmond's memory and it's only now that he puts two and two together. It's one of the many breathtaking scenes of the episode. By the time Jack says "It doesn't matter!" for the third time, I was convinced Sarah was dead or something terrible had happened to her. Also... my heart was in tatters! Baby needs my loving embrace sooo badly! :hypocrit:

Jack has a great memory with numbers, but I don't think he remembers Hurley talking about his cursed numbers and I doubt he suspects Hurley of intentionally trying to let Locke punch in 32 instead of 42.

workingmom

11-03-2007, 12:56 AM

Jack listens to Desmond's story with an air of, "WTF are you talking about? Are you just making this up as you go along?" And Locke is like, "So...you need a roomie?"

:rotflmao2:

Rewinding a little....The close-up of Desmond's face saying "We're all gonna die" after the computer was accidentally shot - just like that endlessly playing promo of Des telling Charlie, "No matter what I do, you're gonna die."
Desmond has become the angel of death. I'm clinging desperately to my Des as Angel theory since they took Lost is Purgatory away from me. :down:

I love Desmond's story:
"...and we saved the world together for awhile and that was lovely. Then Kelvin died, and I'm here all alone. The End."

ETA: This is a nice use of props (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x03-orientation/3/orientation-cap141.jpg). I wonder if he dropped one or both during filming.

"We're gonna need to watch that again." Shoutout to the fans, sort of. Remember the "Addicted to Lost" promo vid that ran during the SuperBowl a couple years ago? It ended on Locke with that line. And you're still here? Might as well face it, you're addicted to Lost. ;)

Lovey

11-03-2007, 01:09 AM

I love Desmond's story:
"...and we saved the world together for awhile and that was lovely. Then Kelvin died, and I'm here all alone. The End."

I adored Desmond when I first met him. Then he turned into the angel of death in S3 and I kinda fell out of love a little bit. I love he and Penny's story though. But I'm a Jater so that's no big surprise. I'm a sucker.

I kinda wish they would have kept up with Jack and Desmond's dynamic the way it was in this episode. I mean obviously they would have gotten past the initial shock of seeing each other again but, I think Des and Jack have a lot in common.

ETA: I think I've said that for every person on this show. Jack is the apex and every dynamic that branches off of him, he and Kate, he and Sawyer, he and Sayid, Hurley, Locke... he is the mainstay in all of them.

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 01:10 AM

MAN I just love that ending scene with Jack and Locke. Gets me EVERY TIME.

Javi... :clapping: It's so beautifully acted by both. I've already typed this in the episode section rewind, but I never get tired of saying it.

Locke asks for a leap of faith and I'm guessing Jack just took a Pascalian approach to the whole thing. What have I got to lose if it's not true? Let it be noted that the horribly pushy my-way-or-the-highway, big mean evil dictator did not ONCE try to tell anyone not to push the button, even if he still didn't believe in it. It would have been relatively easy for him to go to the beach and say: "So... listen. Locke found this button in the hatch, blah, blah, blah. A few hours ago, he just told me Boone was the sacrifice the island demanded. He wants us to take shifts to push that button. Now, personally, I think that's a waste of our time and the guy is certifiable so don't bother."

"This wasn't supposed to happen!" Nice tie in with Locke repeating the line to Jack in the season 3 finale.

I love Desmond's story:
"...and we saved the world together for awhile and that was lovely."

Love.It.

I'm going to wait until everyone is done so we can have questions for tomorrow/whoever wakes up in the meantime, etc. There's no deadline, I'm just going to leave the questions here and everyone can get at them at their own pace. They're all inspired by your great, great comments so thank you! :ntworthy:

banshee

11-03-2007, 01:12 AM

Claud I must say this live rewind is a brilliant idea :bows: to our master of ceremonies.

Banshee, it's GREAT to see you back!

Okay, the first ten minutes for me!

OMG, poor Francine, now she can't afford to....*insert sarcastic joke here*. Locke, IMHO, has a right to be pissed off. These people are whining about their measly problems and yet he has to wake up every day with that scar on his back and know that he'd been HAD in the worst way possible. I just don't get why he's even there with those losers....oh, maybe because he's the future loser that gets held at gunpoint by the man that's supposed to 'save' them all....yeah, way to stick 'em Locke.

Jack is just...GAH. Love him when he's all gun-friendly and screaming..."Where's ERICA!?" Oh :censored:, he didn't say that did he? Only in my head. Poo.

Oh and I completely skipped the three stooges getting dragged by the Tailies. I think you all know why and if you don't, all you gotta do is ask. ;)

Ericaaw thanks ricks :blushing:

Because we have a no child left behind policy in the Den..I'll stay with you because I'm on the support group scene. :p

Nevermind...Just got to Jack with the gun. I find a parallel here as well as a comment on his character... Whether those hands are skillfully wielding a scalpel or holding an armed weapon, he always seems to be placed in situations where he has the power of life or death in his hands. And which does he consistenly choose...

Bansh! Luka! It's a party!
:group:hello my dear mamasan *squish*

Oh... my... GOD!
Banshee! :hug: :clapping: :clap: :heart: :party: Luks :hug: good to see ya hon.

I'd forgotten it was Helen to use the phrase "leap of faith", telling Locke to let go of his resentment toward his father and move forward. Locke saves it for the end of the episode and lays it on Jack. Is pushing the button a real leap of faith for Jack or is he just doing it to shut John up?I remember when we were first discussing the episode, we talked about how forcing Jack to do it in front of everyone was a way for Locke to validate his beliefs. After all, if Jack was on board, everyone else surely would be. And in part I think that's why Jack resisted...He wasn't going to give credence to the idea.

However, I also believe he could walk away because he assumed that Locke would push it anyway...I think that after seeing Desi on the island, it knocked Jack for a loop. He didn't want to believe that the button could have any real value, but he also couldn't ignore the possibility. So by the time Locke made his emotional plea, I think Jack pushed it for him as much as he did the Losties on the off chance that he was wrong about it doing nothing.

More coherent thought later hopefully :p

ETA^

Lovey

11-03-2007, 01:16 AM

He didn't want to believe that the button could have any real value, but he also couldn't ignore the possibility. So by the time Locke made his emotional plea, I think Jack pushed it for him as much as he did the Losties on the off chance that he was wrong about it doing nothing.

Brilliantly put, Bansh. Especially the bolded part. That is the struggle for Jack throughout this entire episode. That is the struggle for him throughout this entire series. I guess thats why I can't get enough of this episode, I love watching him go through the motions and fighting internally with himself and with Locke...

He didn't want to push the button but it was a leap of faith in that he didn't know what would happen if he didn't.

Forever_Erica

11-03-2007, 01:20 AM

aw thanks ricks :blushing:

Because we have a no child left behind policy in the Den..I'll stay with you because I'm on the support group scene. :p

Thank you Bansh! Everyone is moving too fast for me. I feel so dumb lol. :redface:

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Okay, as Jack and Locke are setting up the Orientation video, Jack whisperes to himself..."Desmond...." I think that in that moment Jack is actually starting to recognize the man and it's starting to sink in a bit. The last words that Desmond said to Jack three years ago was "See you in another life Brotha..." Now that may have spawned a WHOLE new meaning for them both. Are we in hell or is it just hot in here?

As they are watching the Orientation video, Jack is becoming increasingly uncomfortable, his eyes rolling, looking around him, saying to himself, "None of this is real, none of this can be real..." When Dr. Candle says, "In this manner you will stay as fresh and alert [splice] utmost importance that when the alarm sounds the code be entered correctly, and in a timely fashion..." Jack rolls his eyes, completely uninterested the entire time, just sitting there, twidling his thumbs lol. At the end of the video, Jack is like a sitting duck, Locke is all googly-eyed, reminisient of when he first found the hatch door. He's like "I'm in love....oh what a feeling....I need to feel that again". Jack is like, "You needy :censored:" and walks away lmao.

The Jack-Desmond conversation, just incredibly booo-tiful. Jack is just trying to get into this guy's head, ask him questions to which he should have the answers. In that scene, Desmond is a lot like Locke to Jack, finding it SO incredibly easy to believe, a little too easy in Jack's opinion. "It says quarantine on the inside of the hatch to keep you down here. To keep you scared. But you know what? We've been up there for over 40 days and no one's gotten sick. You think that this is the only part of it that's true? Do you ever think that maybe they put you down here to push a button every 100 minutes just to see if you would? That all of this -- the computer, the button -- it's just a mind game? An experiment?" He just still can't bring himself around to where Locke and Desmond are, so believing, so trusting, without a word to the purpose of it all.

Erica

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-03-2007, 01:27 AM

Missed the partay again! Yay me!

Did Jack still have a nervous breakdown while holding a gun on Desmond? Yes? Well, then all is right with the world, because that's one of my very favorite scenes in the entire series. The unstoppable force that is the weirdness of the Island meets the immovable object of Jack's stubborn clinging to rationality. It's no contest, and Jack gets hysterical in a manner that makes Mr. Hysteria himself, Desmondo, green with envy.

I could watch it again and again and again. And I have!

TSTID

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 01:38 AM

ETA: This is a nice use of props (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x03-orientation/3/orientation-cap141.jpg). I wonder if he dropped one or both during filming.

I'm pretty sure he walked off with it the first couple of times, stealing it like he swiped Sun's shovel. "You wanna play, you gotta pay!" works for Desmond too. ;)

"We're gonna need to watch that again." Shoutout to the fans, sort of. Remember the "Addicted to Lost" promo vid that ran during the SuperBowl a couple years ago?

How could I forget? I'd just joined the fandom.

ETA: I think I've said that for every person on this show. Jack is the apex and every dynamic that branches off of him, he and Kate, he and Sawyer, he and Sayid, Hurley, Locke... he is the mainstay in all of them.

This icon you've made and which shall forever be under my name? It speaketh the truth. I love this episode and I love watching it right after MOSMOF. The Jack and Locke episodes tend to be Lost's Cliffnotes and Jack is certainly the lynchpin for the story.

Missed the partay again! Yay me!

Nah, it goes on for hours once we're done rewatching, you can still shake it with us. We even have music. We can do questions tomorrow when everyone's more rested/non-American timezones are awake.

The unstoppable force that is the weirdness of the Island meets the immovable object of Jack's stubborn clinging to rationality.

Something's gotta give, something's gotta give, something's gotta giiiiive... See? What did I tell you?

Forever_Erica

11-03-2007, 01:46 AM

The scene with Desmond, when Jack yells "STOP!" I swear I tinkled in my pants....and I'm not afraid to admit that at all. Well, I'm a little ashamed, because Jack even gets my bladder in a tisk. Now I'm royally screwed. :redface:

Desmond starts to have his memory of Jack really set in. "Nothing is going to happen. Some man takes you down there, shows you a movie, and you push a button on, on faith alone? Nothing is going to happen! Why are you running? You don't even know what you're running from?" BAM. There it is. Jack was running like the devil was chasing him in MOSMOF and now Desmond is doing the same thing (but not for some silly race around the world mind you ;)). Whoa. What a difference three years make. Jack gets scared, this apprehensive look in his eyes as Desmond starts to connect the dots. He has this "Oh :censored:, I'm busted" look on his face.

Desmond, you are just barking up the WRONG tree on the wrong day in this scene, brotha lol. He basically badgers Jack about wounds that Jack has tried to mask for three years and now here they are for Jack, a reminder in a complete stranger how he truly failed Sarah, or so HE thinks. The repetition of the line "It doesn't matter..." by Jack just reaffirms my belief that Jack is just fighting this whole situation. He's like, "You can't be the exact same guy I met three years before, that's insane..." But it's not so insane, now is it Jack?

WOW. Okay, here's a thought: If it's just a button, then why did Jack correct the code? Why does he care if it's 32, 42 or 100? Why did he do that if it's 'just a button'?

Jack believes more than he wants to IMHO. He believes in it just a little bit and the thought of it makes him question EVERYTHING that he believes and he's not ready for that. He's just not ready, because that means that his faith-foundation is completely blown to bits and that's something that he's not willing to face again. He did it with Sarah and look what happened there. He's not allowing any of it in anymore.

Erica

yas_m

11-03-2007, 02:24 AM

*is late again* :wallbash:

soo good to see Bansh and Luks again :hug:

Orientation: angry Jack, Jack with gun, emo Jack. What more can I ask for? I'm a low maintenance kinda girl.

;)

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 03:00 AM

I'm sure I'll have more when I'm not three quarters asleep...

He doesn't quite believe Desmond and still has no explanation for the coicidence.

Where's Mr.Eko when you need him?

To date... Jack has met this random guy who told him to believe in miracles three years ago. Sawyer of all people sends him a message from his dearly departed father. He's about to find out at some point that he has a nephew and a sister, all of them on the island. Maybe Claire and Aaron and whatever happened to them play a part in him apparently coming to the same conclusion as Locke in the FF: "This wasn't supposed to happen." I'm sure it's not the same F-word Locke believes in, but I'd say Jack in 2007 is about where Locke was when he was kneeling, crying because he's lost his way and everything he's sacrificed seems in vain.

1.
Is pushing the button a real leap of faith for Jack or is he just doing it to shut John up?

I think Jack pushing the button is a little bit of both. Faith... and necessity.

I'd say more like... caution rather than fate, but I agree. Like I said, if he wanted to get Locke to shut up, he could have let him be, go back to the beach and tell everyone about Boone being sacrificed to the island and how they can follow the nutso if they want to, but watch yourself.

That encounter in the jungle sparked so much speculation that Sarah had died. But she had just killed him inside.

I love me my emo!Jack... but now you've made me all emo. :biggrin:

I kinda wish they would have kept up with Jack and Desmond's dynamic the way it was in this episode. I mean obviously they would have gotten past the initial shock of seeing each other again but, I think Des and Jack have a lot in common.

Like I said, it's one coincidence too many for it to not be acknowledged at all by either of the two. The running theme was beautifully done in MOSMOF and Orientation for both of them. "You don't even know what you're running from!" Jack knew what he was running from when he twisted his ankle. He needed to DO something while he was waiting for Sarah to wake up so he can give her the tragic news.

As they are watching the Orientation video, Jack is becoming increasingly uncomfortable, his eyes rolling, looking around him, saying to himself, "None of this is real, none of this can be real..." When Dr. Candle says, "In this manner you will stay as fresh and alert [splice] utmost importance that when the alarm sounds the code be entered correctly, and in a timely fashion..." Jack rolls his eyes, completely uninterested the entire time, just sitting there, twidling his thumbs lol.

Obviously, I'm going to have to watch that again... but... this does beg the question...

2. Does DHARMA and the existence of a scientific project on the Island make Jack believe Locke's Fate ramblings are still worthless, even after meeting Desmond?

As a scientist, Jack relates the button with what's familiar to him: science and experiments. I think he's kinda clinging to that because it's something he can put in neat little boxes in his brain. It helps take his mind off the fact that OMG! I know this guy!!! How can this be???

WOW. Okay, here's a thought: 3. If it's just a button, then why did Jack correct the code? Why does he care if it's 32, 42 or 100? Why did he do that if it's 'just a button'?

That's tied in to number 1. Do you think Jack knows Hurley was trying to trick Locke because he's aware of his Cursed Numbers mantra now? I initially thought Jack had a lot on his mind and didn't even relate them to Hurley's numbers from MOSMOF, but maybe that's how he was able to remember them so quickly.

Ah... we'll have more fun this weekend, this is a great, great hour of The Jack Show. :heart:

Orientation: angry Jack, Jack with gun, emo Jack. What more can I ask for? I'm a low maintenance kinda girl.

;)

But I'm sure you don't mind a little key action (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/Lost_2x03_Orientation0078-Ar.jpg), do you? Or a little guntuckage action (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/thataguninyourpants.jpg)...

I'm sure you won't mind some of that face (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/Lost_2x03_Orientation0161-Ar.jpg)either... :3:

yas_m

11-03-2007, 03:07 AM

But I'm sure you don't mind a little key action (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/Lost_2x03_Orientation0078-Ar.jpg), do you? Or a little guntuckage action (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/thataguninyourpants.jpg)...

I'm sure you won't mind some of that face (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/Lost_2x03_Orientation0161-Ar.jpg)either... :3:

and here I was thinking I need to go grab some breakfast, well, I guess a :smoke:would be more appropriate for the occasion.

Deadshot

11-03-2007, 03:50 AM

Have any of you guys listened to the commentary track for "Tale of Two Cities" yet? The commentary features Damon and Elisabeth Michell. (sp?)

The opening scene when Jack wakes up in the aquarium room goes something along the lines of

EM: Jack in Chains... (trailer narrator-esque voiceover) Jack in Chaaaiins!

DL: Theres a lot of chains

EM: Theres a lot chains....theres a lot of muscles....theres a lot of sweat. These are never a bad thing.

Straight away I thought of you guys...awwwww...lol. :D

Jupiter63

11-03-2007, 06:24 AM

I missed it! I love this episode. Jack and Desmond's relationship has always interested me. They have history and the easy route IMO would have been oh! They'll be friends! I kind of love that they didn't go that way. For the most part, they seem to avoid each other. Jack seems to have no idea how to deal with Desmond in this episode and in season three, Desmond was one of the ones who turned the easiest and most fully against Jack. It makes me wonder why they were given history if it wasn't going to lead to anything more than the interaction in this episode. I hope it's still coming. I love these two.

I think Jack pushes the button because he doesn't know enough about it yet. He cannot conclusively answer either way whether or not it's real or what will happen if he doesn't push it, so until he knows for sure or knows a lot more about it, he's going to push it. Pushing it may not sound logical, or even particularly sane by itself, but you don't just suddenly decide to stop pushing a button that a whole series of people have devoted years of their lives and a lot of equipment and ordeal to pushing and believe that the world will end if they don't push it even if it feels stupid to you, unless you can prove they're wrong or you have a very good reason. Jack couldn't and didn't.

Have any of you guys listened to the commentary track for "Tale of Two Cities" yet? The commentary features Damon and Elisabeth Michell. (sp?)

The opening scene when Jack wakes up in the aquarium room goes something along the lines of

EM: Jack in Chains... (trailer narrator-esque voiceover) Jack in Chaaaiins!

DL: Theres a lot of chains

EM: Theres a lot chains....theres a lot of muscles....theres a lot of sweat. These are never a bad thing.

Straight away I thought of you guys...awwwww...lol. :D
EM is such a FoxHussy. I smile all the way through that commentary. She really seems to adore and admire all the actors but she just gushes over him (not that I blame her at all...she got to play in the water with him). :biggrin: I like at the end that she and Damon say that Juliet didn't actually know if Sarah was happy. She just said that because she knew it was what Jack needed to hear. I had always wondered how she could possibly know something like that about Sarah. Degree of happiness is not exactly a resume question.

whispervixen

11-03-2007, 06:44 AM

Franci

11-03-2007, 09:05 AM

I've totally missed the party :sadwalk: I hate the time difference.

Orientation... ' I married her ' :thud:

kickflip_chick

11-03-2007, 09:47 AM

Don't worry Franci, I missed the whole thing too. I was too dead to even realise my alarm was going off. And I missed out on Orientation!! Damn, I love that episode...especially Jack and Locke SCREAMING at each other.

Locke: Why do you find it so hard to believe?
Jack: Why do you find it so easy?
Locke: It's never been easy!

:clap: :clap: That's my highlight. :p

Claudia815

11-03-2007, 10:36 AM

Awww, you didn't miss anything, guys. Please feel free to do questions/talk about the episode even if you weren't here to watch it live, just like Jupiter did. We need to think of a schedule that's more inclusive of non-American timezones, I hate to see any hussies missing out on the fun. Maybe when the weather keeps us indoors, we can start our EST/West Coast morning in bed with Jack so everyone's still awake on other continents. Anybody up for that? :angelnot: But since this is a favorite episode, go ahead and gush over it at any time, you have all weekend. There's much to enjoy in it (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Orientation/Lost_2x03_Orientation0467-Ar.jpg)...

Straight away I thought of you guys...awwwww...lol. :D

Awwwwww indeed. :lol: That's very sweet of you. We don't get the s3 DVDs until next month, but we've heard about it thanks to Luka.

I missed it! I love this episode. Jack and Desmond's relationship has always interested me. They have history and the easy route IMO would have been oh! They'll be friends! I kind of love that they didn't go that way.

I haven't thought about that before, but you're right. It makes more sense that way because of who these guys are. Desmond reminds him of his failed miracle and he still has to accept that the Island keeps throwing these pieces of his past at him. Desmond takes off for a long while and when he returns, there's not a lot of interraction between them. Like you, I do hope there'll be more because these two runners are very important for the show.

EM is such a FoxHussy. I smile all the way through that commentary. She really seems to adore and admire all the actors but she just gushes over him (not that I blame her at all...she got to play in the water with him). :biggrin:

I want him to be my rubber ducky toooooooooooo! :schmoll:

I remember reading somewhere an interview with her in which she's very excited about how tall he is and that she can wear heels on set and doesn't have to worry about being taller than the guy. There's more gushing about what a big guy he is and I'm sitting there thinking Mr.Elizabeth Mitchell must be a saint, but she hastiliy added: "Well, aside from my husband. My husgand's tall too!" :lol2: We need to give the woman honorary membership here.

workingmom

11-03-2007, 12:56 PM

Locke's definition of unarmed is... well... Lockian. :lol2: Yeah, and ten minutes later his excuse to Jack for not asking any questions of Desmond is "he was the one with the gun." How swiftly you change positions, John.

Jack displays some nice cop-like abilities there, keeping Desmond to the ground... Oh, wait. I'm not focusing on the relevant details here, am I? It's all his fault, dammit! :thud:
There's a Team Jate moment in the midst of this too - "You got him (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x03-orientation/2/normal_orientation-cap095.jpg)?" to Kate to see that she's got her rifle on Desmond as he lets him get to inspect the computer. Who said he doesn't respect her prowess with a gun?
"JACK: Because the last time I saw a computer that was going to save the world, it didn't look like that."

Did anyone else think of HAL? That's the first thought that crossed my mind when I heard the line and I hadn't watched Space Odyssey in years. It even died like HAL with its lights dimming out slowly. "Whhhyyyy, Daaaavvve?"

Something's gotta give, something's gotta give, something's gotta giiiiive... See? What did I tell you? While we're in Jack Nicholson mode, this exchange below reminds me of "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"
Locke: Why do you find it so hard to believe?
Jack: Why do you find it so easy?
Locke: It's never been easy!

:clap: :clap: That's my highlight. :p And what a highlight - the Cliff Notes of the episode.
Have any of you guys listened to the commentary track for "Tale of Two Cities" yet? The commentary features Damon and Elisabeth Michell. (sp?)

The opening scene when Jack wakes up in the aquarium room goes something along the lines of

EM: Jack in Chains... (trailer narrator-esque voiceover) Jack in Chaaaiins!

DL: Theres a lot of chains

EM: Theres a lot chains....theres a lot of muscles....theres a lot of sweat. These are never a bad thing.

Straight away I thought of you guys...awwwww...lol. :D YouTube, anyone? Please? Please? We Yanks are at the mercy of the Christmas merchandising machine.

I think Jack pushes the button because he doesn't know enough about it yet. He cannot conclusively answer either way whether or not it's real or what will happen if he doesn't push it, so until he knows for sure or knows a lot more about it, he's going to push it. Pushing it may not sound logical, or even particularly sane by itself, but you don't just suddenly decide to stop pushing a button that a whole series of people have devoted years of their lives and a lot of equipment and ordeal to pushing and believe that the world will end if they don't push it even if it feels stupid to you, unless you can prove they're wrong or you have a very good reason. Jack couldn't and didn't. I think that's exactly it too.
John's imploring "I can't do this alone, Jack" was almost a replay of Christian's heartfelt manipulation (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x11-cowboys/daddy-issues0467.jpg)of him in ATBCHDI, and I think Jack felt that which added to his resistance and contributed to the emotion (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x03-orientation/9c/normal_orientation-cap561.jpg) showing on his face. But he relented since, as you all have said, the balance tilted toward "what could possibly go wrong if I push the button" vs. a possible calamity if he didn't.

Re the Tailies: When Ana gets thrown in the pit, they gather in wonder: "It's a girl." Sounds like the Lost Boys when Wendy fell from the sky. Well, these Lost Boys would soon change their opinion of that statement. :biggrin:

yas_m

11-03-2007, 02:00 PM

Hey guys, I just saw a promo for Lost on a UAE channel and it was 30 seconds of Jack :biggrin:
Will try to catch it again later and upload it.

lulinha_k

11-03-2007, 02:23 PM

Hey guys, I just saw a promo for Lost on a UAE channel and it was 30 seconds of Jack :biggrin:
Will try to catch it again later and upload it.

Thanks Yas! :hug:
I´m daying for something new! :bonk:
What you saw, was new footage? :redface:

Forever_Erica

11-03-2007, 02:35 PM

Hey guys, I just saw a promo for Lost on a UAE channel and it was 30 seconds of Jack :biggrin:
Will try to catch it again later and upload it.

30 seconds of JACK!?! Where....? WHERE?!?! LOL

Luka, great to see you back! :hug:

Erica

yas_m

11-03-2007, 02:52 PM

Thanks Yas! :hug:
I´m daying for something new! :bonk:
What you saw, was new footage? :redface:

unfortunately no, they are just starting to air it so it's all old stuff, but still always nice to see The Jack Show promos ;)

lulinha_k

11-03-2007, 03:42 PM

Luka, great to see you back! :hug:

Erica
Hey Erika :hug:
I´m always around, but I´m more like a lurker in most of the time... ;)

unfortunately no, they are just starting to air it so it's all old stuff, but still always nice to see The Jack Show promos ;)

Oh, that´s ok... :redface:
3 months until The Jack Show premiere
I´m so happy that seems like everything is going fine with the cast, and Foxy is shooting fine, like he always does... :fish: :rolleyes: :grin: :p
I have the feeling that, because of the FF stuff, season 4 will be more than ever The Jack Show.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-04-2007, 02:22 AM

My Review of Homecoming

By TSTID

"Homecoming" is the episode in which Claire returns home after being mysteriously kidnapped, the details of which will not be fully known until many, many episodes later. Parts of this episode have additional resonance in hindsight due to the fact that Claire and Jack have been revealed to be half-siblings, due to the trans-hemispheric dalliances of their elegantly dissipated father, the great Christian Shephard. Who among us does not anticipate the moment when Dr. Jack, Mr. Man of Science realizes that airy fairy spitfire Claire is his little sister? I know that I, for one, am looking forward to this strange and wonderful reunion!

In the meantime, however, things get off to a rocky start for the two, when Claire wakes up, sees Jack, screams her head off (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-45.html)as only Emilie de Ravin can scream her head off and runs away in horror (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-37.html), a reaction that has probably never happened to Jack before. Indeed he looks totally bamboozled (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-32.html)by her bizarre reaction, given that for once he bothers summoning up a decent bedside manner -- acting all friendly and gentle instead of telling her she's probably brain damaged and who the hell knows what kind of mutant her baby is now like he probably would have if he'd been back home. Personally, I think it would be more than worth it to be kidnapped by the Others, drugged up with something peculiar, and kept hostage in kind of a cross between a low-budget nursery and Hitler’s bunker just to get these kinds (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-23.html) of ministrations (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-29.html)from Jack (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-70.html), but that’s just me. Anyway, they have some lovely little scenes together, and Jack even tries to understand her soap opera case of amnesia better by engaging in a little on the fly neuropsychology (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-155.html), asserting that Claire’s brain probably reset to the time of the crash, because that’s what human brains do all the time when they encounter any kind of stress. Claire is apparently a lot like Windows Vista – super unstable and prone to episodes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-48.html)of erratic rebooting. Sayid totally knows (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-161.html)Jack's blowing smoke, though, he always does, but he’s classy enough not to say anything about it.

"Homecoming" is not Jack-centric. Of course, every episode can't be, as much as I'd love that to be the case, so rather than a feast, it's more like a nice cocktail party with classy finger food. There's a wonderfully prickly and fun conversation (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-260.html)about planning and information hoarding between Jack and Locke, for example. I love Jack and Locke together I could have an apoplectic fit. I love what he brings out in Jack -- so many wonderful withering (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-248.html) looks of disgust (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-272.html), that's it's really hard to pick a favorite. Oh, and then there’s Jack well-earned kicking of Ethan’s hiney. This is so fantastic, what with all of the muddy flailing about (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-780.html)and wet clingy clothing, that I can’t even begin to describe it. For a medical research nerd, Ethan can really take a beating (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-784.html), though, I’ll give him that. Finally, like any worthwhile Lost episode, there is totally badarse Schnozz action (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-175.html)to take delight in. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I can’t believe we get this kind of joy for free. I love you TV! And I love you Lost!

Other things happen in this episode also, I guess, like Claire and Charlie embarking on another tiresome courtship routine (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-301.html), well-meaning Boone haplessly screwing up again (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-441.html), and Charlie puking into a Xerox machine (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-663.html)(if only he’d had Jack’s aspirin treatment for withdrawal to see him through).

Thematically, this episode further intertwines the tales of the Losties and the Others, and Claire’s utter aloneness in what seems to her a bizarre and frightening world is symbolic of the situation they all find themselves in, on this strange and threatening island, among strangers about whom they really know nothing. The most important theme, though, dwarfing all others, is what a great doctor Jack is and how he knows everything about neuropsychology, and is great at glaring at people, and beating the crap out of bad guys, and looking obscenely hot when adorned in wet and muddy clothing (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-809.html). Look no further for reasons why Lost is The Jack Show, even if the episode might superficially seem to be about Claire's repatriation (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-899.html)and Charlie feeling like a victim when the girl he steals from and uses gets mad at him (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-875.html). This seems to take away from the Jack parts, but don't worry, the brilliantly angsty "Do No Harm" is coming up soon! Courage, Jack Hussies, courage!

The End

Claudia815

11-04-2007, 10:41 AM

:heart: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, VERODECKER and ISHTAR (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/hussies/BirthdayBoy2007.jpg)! :heart:

(And for vero: good luck with medschool! Be a proud Naughty Nurse ;) ) I hope you'll return to our hussy ranks when Jack comes back to us. It's really not that long anymore... really. Try saying it outloud: two months and three weeks instead of nine months!

John's imploring "I can't do this alone, Jack" was almost a replay of Christian's heartfelt manipulation (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x11-cowboys/daddy-issues0467.jpg)of him in ATBCHDI, and I think Jack felt that which added to his resistance and contributed to the emotion (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x03-orientation/9c/normal_orientation-cap561.jpg) showing on his face. But he relented since, as you all have said, the balance tilted toward "what could possibly go wrong if I push the button" vs. a possible calamity if he didn't.

I think he knew Locke was a lot more honest than his father (in this case) because Locke is a true believer and he sees how desperate he is. Jack must have been as surprised as I am now to hear him ask: "What should we do?" He's like a lost boy there, his need to have Jack by his side in this enterprise a genuine one.

unfortunately no, they are just starting to air it so it's all old stuff, but still always nice to see The Jack Show promos ;)

Personally, I don't think anyone can outdo the UK SkyOne hussies, but I'm willing to give the UAE ones a chance if they come up with something good.

I have the feeling that, because of the FF stuff, season 4 will be more than ever The Jack Show.

I'm hoping most of the flashforwards will be multicentric, rather than individual stories (not EVERY lostie can have a suspenful post-rescue story. I felt some of the flashbacks were overly dramatic and too "Hollywood" to fulfil that need and now their connections in the outside world are even more significant), but the fact that Jack is the main character will not change either way. He is our Point Of View (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Pilot/eyeopener.jpg)character for every major plot in the story. We opened our eyes to Lost with him, explored the beach, the caves, the Others and now the post-rescue story through his pretty eyes. Every major new character has been introduced through Jack's story (Ana, Desmond, Juliet) and now Ken Leung's parachutist and the ones who weren't were Nikki and Paulo...:drowsy:

TSTID... I think I may have to watch Jack's wet, muddy clothes cling to his body again. All because of you! Oh, the humanity!

Maxum

11-04-2007, 05:50 PM

Since I was also late to the rewind party for Orientation, I'll throw in my thoughts about the episode now.

Orientation is one of my all-time favorite episodes. Anything with Jack and Locke is going to get my skirt a flutter, and this episode delivers in spades.

Jack gets accused often for a dictatorial way of dealing with the Losties, which I have never agreed upon, and this episode validates that he works with the Losties rather than against them.

First, you really have to remember the emotional state of Jack Shepherd in this episode and what he has been through in the past 24 hours to truly appreciate how much he is keeping it together:

1) He's been informed by Rousseau that the Others are coming to kill his people;
2) Jack decides to hide his people in the hatch, but first must embark on a cross island trek to the Black Rock. At the same time, his people are very frightened and want Jack to stay. He promises to be back before sunset to stay with them;
3) At the black rock, Artz is killed in a most grotesque fashion;
4) They must carry highly unstable dynamite through the jungle terrain;
5) They are attacked by Mr. Smokey who almost kills Locke, but Jack risks his life to save him - even though Locke isn't happy about it. (Jack also learns how truly "nuts" Locke has become.)
6) Kate is upset with him for switching out the dynamite. Forget the fact that she would have blown herself up with it, since she failed to put her pack down before running from said Mr. Smokey
7) They get to the hatch, they blow it up, and they find out there is a quarantine sign stamped on the inside lid. Jack also realizes that he can't get everyone into the hatch before the sun goes down.
8) Jack makes a leader decision and opts to keep his word and head back to his people and stay with them for the evening as opposed to a reckless decent into a hole in the ground in the sheer darkness.

By the time Jack descends into the hatch, it is another anxious moment compounded by all of the above in an approximate 24 hour period.

Second, when Jack and Kate get the drop on Desmond, Jack essentially allows Kate to be the "sheriff," and he trusts her completely in being able to handle that role when he says to her "You got him?" (as she's pointing the gun at Desmond). Jack doesn't run over and take the gun out of Kate's hand and have her go sit safely in another room while the man-folk take care of the dangerous stuff. Kate is front and center in the action, and Jack has no problem with it.
100%
(continued)

Third, Jack is asking smart questions. I mean, they find a guy in a hatch underneath the earth, and Locke doesn't want him asking any questions. I concur with former posters as to the absurdity of Locke's comments, at least from Jack's (and viewers) points of view when Locke doesn't understand why Jack is holding a gun on Desmond. "He's unarmed." I was amazed that Jack had to actually explain to Locke that just because someone is currently unarmed does not mean that he wasn't VERY dangerous moments earlier when he held a gun to Locke's head. If I remember correctly, Desmond told Jack that he would put a bullet in Locke if Jack didn't lower his weapon. Locke is a scary fellow sometimes.

Fourth, the scene between Jack and Desmond in the jungle was SO well done by both actors. Jack's world had been turned upside down. If you really think about it, Jack just found a fully functional "apartment" hidden below the earth in the middle of a supposedly abandoned island with a man inside said apartment that Jack knew in a previous life. Talk about a mind frak. I love how uncomfortable Jack becomes as Desmond puts two and two together about Jack and figures out where he remembers him from. I don't think Jack wanted anyone to know about his inner feelings and turmoils, and Desmond was privy to his feelings about the "patient" he discussed with Desmond. His outburst "I married her!" was both a release and a cry of pain. Great scene.

Lastly, and perhaps one of my favorite scenes was between Jack and Locke. I love watching Matthew and Terry in scenes together. They are absolutely hypnotic. As Locke begins to type in the wrong numbers under Hurley's watchful eye, you hear Jack's voice correcting him (much to Hurley's chagrin). Locke is cautious. "Are you sure?" Locke is right to be cautious, afterall, Jack has made no secret that he thinks all of this is crazy, so it's understandable that Locke would show some trepidation towards Jack. But Locke believes Jack is telling the truth, which I found interesting considering everything. The fact that Locke would believe Jack with regard to something that is so precious to Locke is an intriguing observation. Just as Locke is about to type in the proper code, he decides that Jack must actually do it. Perhaps it's a continuation of the faith Locke has in Jack or an unknown destiny. He believes that Jack is telling the truth about the numbers. Jack is helping even though he doesn't believe, and for Locke, Jack, therefore, has a part to play in this fateful event. "You do it, Jack." Naturally, Jack is stunned by the request, and we now witness two things in this moment:

A Man of Science and a Man of Faith: Jack doesn't believe at all in the button or what it represents, but Locke does, and Jack knows it. But Jack doesn't impose his beliefs on Locke and instead tries to reason with him. They both express their points of view. In the end, Locke's desperate plea of "I can't do this alone. I don't want to" resonates with Jack. It is a sincere plea made from Locke to Jack, and Jack responds; there is also

The Leader: Jack could easily demoralize Locke's faith or humiliate him publicly in front of Sayid, Kate, and Hurley. He doesn't. Jack has a decision to make. Does he refuse to do something he doesn't believe in or does he do something that he doesn't believe in simply because it means so much to one of his flock? Jack chooses the latter, and by pushing the button, he affirms Locke's faith, and he also keeps the peace. He doesn't run around later using his influence among the Losties to keep them from pushing the button either. In fact, he participates in the shifts TO push the button in later episodes. Dictator? Pfft.

Overall, this is a fantastic episode. Two thumbs WAY up!

shoegirl

11-04-2007, 06:30 PM

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-04-2007, 06:57 PM

It was a shame how quickly they abandoned Jack when he was taken by the Others.

Sheep, under the best of circumstances, are good for hanging about in a nice wooly clump and grazing in an orderly fashion, and not much else. I'm not sure there's an instance in the annals of history where the flock has come to the defense of the shepherd. Being a shepherd is thankless, lonely work.

TSTID

Claudia815

11-04-2007, 09:56 PM

Who among us does not anticipate the moment when Dr. Jack, Mr. Man of Science realizes that airy fairy spitfire Claire is his little sister? I know that I, for one, am looking forward to this strange and wonderful reunion!

I'm looking forward to seeing if she says something about his tattoos (some technical observation coming from an expert)... :lol2:

Personally, I think it would be more than worth it to be kidnapped by the Others, drugged up with something peculiar, and kept hostage in kind of a cross between a low-budget nursery and Hitler’s bunker just to get these kinds (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-23.html) of ministrations (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-29.html)from Jack (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-70.html), but that’s just me.

Erm... you're underestimating the rest of us, obviously. I know a few hussies right now who are in desperate need of Dr. Jack's caring hands... and skills. In a strictly professional manner, you gutterbrains! :hypocrit: There seems to be a flu epidemic going around. A doctors visit is in order. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/deathbedflirt.jpg)

There's a wonderfully prickly and fun conversation (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-260.html)about planning and information hoarding between Jack and Locke, for example. I love Jack and Locke together I could have an apoplectic fit. I love what he brings out in Jack -- so many wonderful withering (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-248.html) looks of disgust (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-272.html), that's it's really hard to pick a favorite.

Oh, I have one for this episode (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Homecoming/pissyLockelook.jpg). It reigns supreme. :thud:

The most important theme, though, dwarfing all others, is what a great doctor Jack is and how he knows everything about neuropsychology, and is great at glaring at people, and beating the crap out of bad guys, and looking obscenely hot when adorned in wet and muddy clothing (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-809.html).

I love you, TV! I love you, Lost! :ntworthy:

This seems to take away from the Jack parts, but don't worry, the brilliantly angsty "Do No Harm" is coming up soon! Courage, Jack Hussies, courage!

Nah, I enjoy the subplots he's in in Numbers and DEM, it's more than enough to tide me over.

Maxum... :clapping: I'll get back to being serious later. I can't seem to make that part of the brain work at the moment.

Forever_Erica

11-04-2007, 11:12 PM

Maxum....GOOD GOD woman! I love it! I thought that when I posted long posts about Jack, I was being thorough, but I have my work cut out for me. Thank you for this review! You really captured the essence of this episode in a way that I couldn't even dream of doing. :clap:

Jack-fans ROCK. :punk:

There were a couple of points that I wanted to either elaborate on, or question further.

Third, Jack is asking smart questions. I mean, they find a guy in a hatch underneath the earth, and Locke doesn't want him asking any questions. I concur with former posters as to the absurdity of Locke's comments, at least from Jack's (and viewers) points of view when Locke doesn't understand why Jack is holding a gun on Desmond. "He's unarmed." I was amazed that Jack had to actually explain to Locke that just because someone is currently unarmed does not mean that he wasn't VERY dangerous moments earlier when he held a gun to Locke's head. If I remember correctly, Desmond told Jack that he would put a bullet in Locke if Jack didn't lower his weapon. Locke is a scary fellow sometimes.

Great observation and I completely agree with you. Locke’s trusting and somewhat “He’s going to show me what I want to see so he’s my friend” nature just completely gets him into trouble. For example, with Smokey, he is so sure that he’ll be okay, and Jack has to literally grab him and tell him that he’s not going to be okay. Jack, in Exodus, tells Locke that Smokey was going to kill him; Locke says that he highly doubts that. Again, Jack has to be Locke’s eyes in a sense and tell him when he’s tinkering on the edge of complete neurosis and downright insanity. Just because Desmond doesn’t have a loaded weapon in his hands doesn’t mean that he doesn’t pose a serious threat to anyone. Jack sees a man living underground in the middle of nowhere and he just told him that if he doesn’t drop his gun, that Locke is a dead-man, well, such declarations as those make me believe that said man poses a threat. And I didn’t see Jack lowering his gun at any point in that scene, so maybe Jack wanted Desmond to blow Locke’s head to bits…...Would have been cool to see, but not so cool for Locke lol.

Fourth, the scene between Jack and Desmond in the jungle was SO well done by both actors. Jack's world had been turned upside down. If you really think about it, Jack just found a fully functional "apartment" hidden below the earth in the middle of a supposedly abandoned island with a man inside said apartment that Jack knew in a previous life. Talk about a mind frak. I love how uncomfortable Jack becomes as Desmond puts two and two together about Jack and figures out where he remembers him from. I don't think Jack wanted anyone to know about his inner feelings and turmoils, and Desmond was privy to his feelings about the "patient" he discussed with Desmond. His outburst "I married her!" was both a release and a cry of pain. Great scene.

Yes, Matthew and Henry are excellent together in this scene. Jack is just lost at this point and he doesn’t know exactly what to do with what Desmond has left for him to take care of. Jack doesn’t want to believe in all of this, because it’s insane to him, it’s impossible to him and yet he still can’t get away from it all. As Desmond packs his stuff to leave, Jack glances at this photo of Desmond and Penny, and there’s something there in Jack’s eyes, something that is egging him to believe in the unbelievable. He knows that he knows this man some how, because when he had him pinned to the floor, Desmond asks him, “Do I know you?” and Jack just pins him to the ground with even more force and his anger and stubbornness to not believe doesn’t go unnoticed by Kate and Locke. Later on, Locke asks sardonically, “Is the reason you're so upset because he said he recognized you?...Because that would be impossible.” Okay, so Locke got Jack there. He pinpointed exactly what has Jack so completely spazzed at the moment, because this can’t be happening, it just can’t, but it is and Jack can’t stop his head from spinning fast enough to realize that it is.

The scene in the jungle, just spellbinding. I also see that the more Desmond starts to connect the dots, the more Jack grips his hands and fingers more tightly around that gun as if it’s the only thing that's real at the moment. Desmond keeps going on, “I remember you -- running -- I know you -- I met you -- Los Angeles. I was training, yeah? You twisted your ankle...” Jack is telling him to stop, but he goes on, “You're a doctor, right? There was this girl -- you were worried -- you said, you said you failed her. That was you.” Jack’s response to this is “It doesn’t matter…” What are the implications of Jack’s answer? It doesn’t matter that they knew each other before, why is that? It has to matter to Jack because if it didn’t he wouldn’t have tried so hard to get Desmond to shut up about knowing him, remembering him in a time where Jack was trying to hold on to something, trying with all his might to believe in a miracle, to believe that the impossible could be possible, but look at where that got him, look at where believing got him, right back at square one. It doesn’t matter if Sarah is okay; it doesn’t matter if she made it, because of all the miracles in the world, things can still go wrong, off course.

Also, Desmond finally completing the puzzle, making the right connections, makes this all the more real for Jack. How is it that Desmond remembers the EXACT subject matter of a conversation that he had with a complete stranger three years ago? How is it that Jack remembers Desmond so quickly just by seeing his face in the last minutes of "Man of Science, Man of Faith"? Interesting on both accounts.

(Another question: When Jack left Locke in the hatch and told him that he was on his own, do you think that Jack was making his way back to camp, and then decided to go after Desmond, or do you think that Jack followed Desmond from the hatch? Did Jack change his mind along the way about the hatch and/or about the possibility of being unceremoniously reunited with someone from his past? Because we all know that Jack can't track for all the gold in the world...)

The Leader: Jack could easily demoralize Locke's faith or humiliate him publicly in front of Sayid, Kate, and Hurley. He doesn't. Jack has a decision to make. Does he refuse to do something he doesn't believe in or does he do something that he doesn't believe in simply because it means so much to one of his flock? Jack chooses the latter, and by pushing the button, he affirms Locke's faith, and he also keeps the peace. He doesn't run around later using his influence among the Losties to keep them from pushing the button either. In fact, he participates in the shifts TO push the button in later episodes. Dictator? Pfft.

This is true. Jack could have called Locke out, just like he did when they were alone in “Exodus” and in the scenes earlier before they watched the Orientation video. Jack, privately (and openly at times), tries to get Locke to see the lunacy in what he’s about to embark on, because Jack knows that Locke is like a freight-train at this point. He left the group behind to climb down into the hatch and now he’s abandoning all common sense because he simply wants to believe in something so badly that he’s been itching for it from the moment he and Boone found the hatch door. Jack has to continuously remind Locke of why they are opening the thing: to get everyone to safety, but all Locke sees as the purpose of the hatch is some hope. He finds hope in a button to which he doesn’t know the purpose, and yet Jack just goes with this.

I personally believe that Jack pushes the button to, as you said, keep the peace, but he also does it to shut Locke up for awhile. Jack is standing there, he looks at the green numbers on the screen, then he looks at the button, then he looks at Locke, then he presses the button and watches as the clock winds back up to 108 and then there’s one final glance in Locke’s direction. That last look, to me, was Jack saying, “Are you happy now?” Jack wants to allow himself to believe in all of this but he can’t, he’s not where Locke is in that he can find it so effortless to believe, that he can put faith in things to which he doesn’t fully understand. That’s a stretch for Jack.

This could also be a leap of faith for Jack. In the FBs, Helen says, “Because you don't know what's going to happen. None of us do. That's why it's called a leap of faith”, Jack doesn’t know what happens if the clock strikes zero, even when he vehemently screams at Desmond that nothing is going to happen, neither does Locke, none of them do, Desmond didn’t even know, but by Jack just pressing the button, that one simple action confirms Locke’s faith. Jack’s allowance of his fellow Losties and himself at some instances to press that button every 108 minutes, just chips away at Jack’s cynicism towards the Island a little bit. It reaffirms Locke’s belief that the Island is something special and by suggesting that Jack press the button, maybe that faith is born within Jack, if just for that moment.

Erica

P.S. TSTID, excellent review of Homecoming! :clapping: You and Maxum give me something to strive for.

Claudia815

11-05-2007, 11:37 AM

Dammit, the Fuselage ate my post again. Will try again later.

For now, here's an Art exhibit dedicated to Elizabeth Mitchell, a hussy who is as sick as we are (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/Lost_3x01_ATaleOfTwoCities_1293-Ar.jpg). :smart:

You know what her favorite part of the job is...

Jack (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/Lost_3x01_ATaleOfTwoCities_0540-Ar.jpg) & Chains (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/twocitiescap-0226.jpg) & Muscles (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/twocitiescap-0224.jpg)

I'm starting to find hussies on other shows too. Those of you who watch Friday Night Lights... I think it's safe to assume Landry's a Lost nerd who found some inspiration in leadership pep talks from Jack. :roflmao:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-05-2007, 12:12 PM

Dammit, the Fuselage ate my post again. Will try again later.

For now, here's an Art exhibit dedicated to Elizabeth Mitchell, a hussy who is as sick as we are (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/Lost_3x01_ATaleOfTwoCities_1293-Ar.jpg). :smart:

Sicker! She seemed happy to have him hold a broken piece of plate to her throat! All hail, the new patron saint of Hussies!

You know what her favorite part of the job is...

Jack (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/Lost_3x01_ATaleOfTwoCities_0540-Ar.jpg) & Chains (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/twocitiescap-0226.jpg) & Muscles (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/twocitiescap-0224.jpg)

You left out sweat. For some reason, my computer is very slow today and I can't get to an appropriate photo, but imagine a link to a photo of angsty, sweaty Jack here -->

TSTID

Claudia815

11-05-2007, 12:23 PM

Sicker! She seemed happy to have him hold a broken piece of plate to her throat! All hail, the new patron saint of Hussies!

:ntworthy: Saint Elizabeth is the patron saint of people ridiculed for their piety, which... totally us! :angelnot:

You left out sweat. For some reason, my computer is very slow today and I can't get to an appropriate photo, but imagine a link to a photo of angsty, sweaty Jack here -->

Oh, you don't have to imagine (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/capbyangelcure2.jpg)anything. Thanks to angelcure, we can give our fertile imaginations a rest (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/ttlg.jpg). Can I just say this (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/ttlgangelcure.jpg)is another reason why I think the finale hair (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/crazylaugh.jpg)is the absolute winner in The Hair Wars? I know yasy agrees with me... :3:

suzzzette

11-05-2007, 01:32 PM

another reason why I think the finale hair (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/TTLG/crazylaugh.jpg)is the absolute winner in The Hair Wars? I know yasy agrees with me... :3:

The finale hair totally rules. The buzz is cool, but the finale hair - you can run your fingers through it and muss it up. Yum.

Also - there's the schnozz totally stealing the scene once again. :biggrin:

Perdue

11-05-2007, 03:11 PM

Elizabeth Mitchell's giggle when they finished filming scenes together is absolutely infectious. If you don't smile when you hear her, you need a heart transplant.

workingmom

11-05-2007, 04:49 PM

Sicker! She seemed happy to have him hold a broken piece of plate to her throat! All hail, the new patron saint of Hussies!

You left out sweat. For some reason, my computer is very slow today and I can't get to an appropriate photo, but imagine a link to a photo of angsty, sweaty Jack here -->

Ask and ye shall receive. Keeping on topic with St. Elizabeth's commentary, here is some ATOTC sweat (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/3/twocitiescap-0614.jpg). A lot of chains, a lot of muscles, and some sweat.:hypocrit:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-05-2007, 04:58 PM

Also - there's the schnozz totally stealing the scene once again. :biggrin:

You know, I keep talking about it but I think people might be getting a wee idea that I might be obsessed with it, and I've got my reputation to think of. So, I'm deeply appreciative that you brought it up instead. :kiss:

TSTID

suzzzette

11-05-2007, 05:36 PM

You know, I keep talking about it but I think people might be getting a wee idea that I might be obsessed with it, and I've got my reputation to think of. So, I'm deeply appreciative that you brought it up instead. :kiss:

TSTID

Well, yeah, you did seem a bit obsessive there. But its a good obsessive, IMO. :biggrin:

Besides, the damn thing is hard to ignore. It deserves an Emmy all its own.
100%
Ask and ye shall receive. Keeping on topic with St. Elizabeth's commentary, here is some ATOTC sweat (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/3/twocitiescap-0614.jpg). A lot of chains, a lot of muscles, and some sweat.:hypocrit:

EM totally rocks the Foxy love. Listening to her gush about Foxy was the highlight of the S3 extras for sure. Man, I wish I could get behind Jacket - because she's way cool. But I just can't do it...I've tried, but no go.

Still, she rocks hussydom.

Claudia815

11-05-2007, 07:01 PM

3) At the black rock, Artz is killed in a most grotesque fashion

There are little pieces of still warm, crispy Arzt raining down on Jack.

when Jack and Kate get the drop on Desmond, Jack essentially allows Kate to be the "sheriff," and he trusts her completely in being able to handle that role when he says to her "You got him?" (as she's pointing the gun at Desmond). Jack doesn't run over and take the gun out of Kate's hand and have her go sit safely in another room while the man-folk take care of the dangerous stuff. Kate is front and center in the action, and Jack has no problem with it.

Are you sure? He's such a patriarchal pig though, I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to grab the gun from her the very next second. Damn you, writers!

Locke is a scary fellow sometimes.

Sometimes? :lol2:

I don't think Jack wanted anyone to know about his inner feelings and turmoils, and Desmond was privy to his feelings about the "patient" he discussed with Desmond.

He hadn't mentioned anything about being married to anyone and he's not big into sharing. Being so exposed and vulnerable on top of all the craziness and discovering a whole new mindfrak underground is just making Jack have a semi mental breakdown and it's a thing of beauty. I was actually glad he got that kind of relief because boy, does he need it!

Locke is right to be cautious, afterall, Jack has made no secret that he thinks all of this is crazy, so it's understandable that Locke would show some trepidation towards Jack. But Locke believes Jack is telling the truth, which I found interesting considering everything. The fact that Locke would believe Jack with regard to something that is so precious to Locke is an intriguing observation.

Oh, Locke knows him very well. That's why I asked about him being right on the money in MOSMOF re: Jack not wanting to go into the hatch. Locke knows how Jack's mind works and I wasn't surprised when he just gave Sayid a shrug and a simple: "It's Jack!" in Par Avion as they were watching the famous football tossing. I don't think it ever crossed his mind here that Jack was trying to trick him. Locke's very fragile under pressure and messes up on the Numbers, but with Jack it's not that he's gullible (as he is with most everyone he needs), he just trusts him because Jack is upfront with him and has never ever tried to endear himself to Locke.

Erica, I'll get to your questions in a minute. I need to remember what I typed earlier from work. :hypocrit:

The finale hair totally rules. The buzz is cool, but the finale hair - you can run your fingers through it and muss it up. Yum.

Exactly. I'm very, very torn between the two contender styles, so it's good to have someone tip the balance a little.

Also - there's the schnozz totally stealing the scene once again. :biggrin:

It's just what it does... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/Our%20Little%20Problem/sosnose.jpg)

Perdue

11-05-2007, 07:03 PM

suzzzette

11-05-2007, 07:23 PM

It's really wonderful when people enjoy working together. You don't have to ship a couple to enjoy watching them on-screen. And I especially love that even an actress in the show can be a total fangirl at times. Makes me feel a little less silly myself.

That really hits the nail on the head for me - listening to her gushing makes me feel just a bit less strange. And she's just so cute and charming, too.

Maxum

11-05-2007, 07:25 PM

Jack-fans ROCK. :punk:

Yes, we do. :biggrin:

There were a couple of points that I wanted to either elaborate on, or question further.

Again, Jack has to be Locke’s eyes in a sense and tell him when he’s tinkering on the edge of complete neurosis and downright insanity. The thing about Locke is that he isn't sharing information with Jack so all Jack sees is Locke's insanity because Jack doesn't see the logic in it at all. Even if Locke is 100% correct in his theorizing, he is not allowing Jack in on the secret, and that is a fatal decision for all the Losties. The great threat on the island isn't because one particular person made a mistake: It wasn't that Jack made the call; it wasn't who they trusted or didn't trust, it's about the fact that they don't SHARE information with each other, especially Locke.

If Locke had sat Jack down and told Jack about his first encounter with Smokey or even MORE importantly, the fact that Locke was a paraplegic in his former life and confined to a wheelchair, Jack would be far more inclined to sit up and pay attention. Jack, as a spinal surgeon would understand the diagnosis of Locke's condition, and even though Jack wouldn't believe it at first, there are breadcrumbs of truth that can be pieced together: the unclaimed wheelchair on the beach, Rose's testimony, and didn't Jack see Locke carried onboard the plane (maybe he was already on board, I can't remember)? Between the wheelchair and Rose's testimony, not to mention that Rose herself is cured on the island (and Bernard is a witness), Jack can at least open his mind to the possibilities of miracles. However, Locke does not share any of this with Jack, and instead speaks in cryptic sentences and asks Jack to believe on faith alone and that the island must have its sacrifices. For a man like Jack, where the preservation of his fellow Losties is the ONLY thing on his mind, Locke's statement reads as "I-M C-R-A-Z-Y, J-A-C-K slapped onto his forehead.

And I didn’t see Jack lowering his gun at any point in that scene, so maybe Jack wanted Desmond to blow Locke’s head to bits…...Would have been cool to see, but not so cool for Locke lol. I loved that scene. Nope, Jack didn't lower his weapon. You don't give up a position of power, especially in a life and death situation. There's a 50/50 chance the guy won't shoot, but if you lower your weapon, you're all screwed. I'm convinced that Jack had weapons training at some point. I don't know, it's just a hunch. He looks so darn good with cold steel in his hands and that steely gaze that he loves to use on Locke. Yum.

As Desmond packs his stuff to leave, Jack glances at this photo of Desmond and Penny, and there’s something there in Jack’s eyes, something that is egging him to believe in the unbelievable. Didn't you think that Jack recognized Penny? I swear I thought he did a double take when he saw the picture. Now THAT would be an interesting twist.

He knows that he knows this man some how, because when he had him pinned to the floor, Desmond asks him, “Do I know you?” and Jack just pins him to the ground with even more force and his anger and stubbornness to not believe doesn’t go unnoticed by Kate and Locke. Later on, Locke asks sardonically, “Is the reason you're so upset because he said he recognized you?...Because that would be impossible.” Okay, so Locke got Jack there. I liked that Locke picked up on the recognition between Desmond and Jack, and Locke knows that it freaked out Jack. Locke, on some level, is trying to get Jack to embrace the unexplainable. Locke is not freaked out by the fact that someone Jack knew is trapped underground on this island and that the two men eventually crossed paths. For Locke, this is all fate and destiny. It makes complete sense. For Jack, it's like his mind is about to explode.

He pinpointed exactly what has Jack so completely spazzed at the moment, because this can’t be happening, it just can’t, but it is and Jack can’t stop his head from spinning fast enough to realize that it is. Yep, it's a Beetlejuice moment for sure.

The scene in the jungle, just spellbinding. I also see that the more Desmond starts to connect the dots, the more Jack grips his hands and fingers more tightly around that gun as if it’s the only thing that's real at the moment. Desmond keeps going on, “I remember you -- running -- I know you -- I met you -- Los Angeles. I was training, yeah? You twisted your ankle...” Jack is telling him to stop, but he goes on, “You're a doctor, right? There was this girl -- you were worried -- you said, you said you failed her. That was you.” Never say that our Jack doesn't leave an impression on the people he encounters. God bless Desmond for remembering every detail about that a two minute encounter several years earlier with our Dr. Jack.

Jack’s response to this is “It doesn’t matter…” What are the implications of Jack’s answer? It doesn’t matter that they knew each other before, why is that? For Jack, it all ended badly so it doesn't matter that he saved her or if he was right or wrong about healing her. All Jack sees is his failures.

Also, Desmond finally completing the puzzle, making the right connections, makes this all the more real for Jack. How is it that Desmond remembers the EXACT subject matter of a conversation that he had with a complete stranger three years ago? How do you NOT remember an encounter with Jack? Seriously, girlfriend. :rolleyes:;)

Actually, I think that Desmond has a bigger purpose, and the fact that he DOES remember Jack may play out later on in the storytelling. On the other hand, I would have thought that Jack and Desmond would have had at least one conversation regarding the adulterous, ungrateful wife. Maybe that's a blessing in disguise for me.

How is it that Jack remembers Desmond so quickly just by seeing his face in the last minutes of "Man of Science, Man of Faith"? Interesting on both accounts. I'll tell you something, Jack has a very good memory, and he doesn't miss much. He noticed Kate swipe out the key; he conned Sawyer in cards; he saw the x-rays on Alcatraz and put the pieces together. He's a pretty observant man, which again makes me wonder if he recognized Penny.

(Another question: When Jack left Locke in the hatch and told him that he was on his own, do you think that Jack was making his way back to camp, and then decided to go after Desmond, or do you think that Jack followed Desmond from the hatch? Did Jack change his mind along the way about the hatch and/or about the possibility of being unceremoniously reunited with someone from his past? Because we all know that Jack can't track for all the gold in the world...)

I don't think Jack was heading for the beach, he was going after Desmond. There was no way he was going to allow a man, whom he met by accident at a stadium several years earlier and who ended up with him on the exact same deserted (not really) island, walk away without answering any questions, wasn't going to happen. Jack had tons of questions, and I'm also guessing that Locke's words of "Do you think this is all a coincidence? We were brought here, all of us for a purpose, for a reason. All this happened for a reason." Jack still feels there is a logical explanation, but he's also in a WTF moment, as well - which he wears SUPERBLY, btw.

Jack knows that Locke is like a freight-train at this point. He left the group behind to open the hatch door and now he’s abandoning all common sense because he simply wants to believe in something so badly that he’s been itching for it from the moment he and Boone found the hatch door. Jack has to continuously remind Locke of why they are opening the thing: to get everyone to safety, but all Locke sees as the purpose of the hatch is some hope. He finds hope in a button to which he doesn’t know the purpose, and yet Jack just goes with this. Locke is a prophet for the island, and for him, there is no other purpose than the will of his island. Period. Not saving the Losties, not defeating the Others, and most certainly, not trying to get rescued. Again, Locke KNOWS something. He knows that leaving the island is very bad, but once again, he refuses to explain why. If and when all of this blows up in the Losties face, I will blame Locke more than anyone else. Ben is a manipulative liar. I don't expect him to be truthful, but if Locke truly wanted the Losties to understand what he knows about the island, it would be prudent to confide in someone - anyone!

Maxum

11-05-2007, 07:26 PM

(I had to break this up into two parts. There's too much to discuss!)

I personally believe that Jack pushes the button to, as you said, keep the peace, but he also does it to shut Locke up for awhile. Jack is standing there, he looks at the green numbers on the screen, then he looks at the button, then he looks at Locke, then he presses the button and watches as the clock winds back up to 108 and then there’s one final glance in Locke’s direction. That was an interesting moment. Jack and Locke's relationship has severely fractured at this point, and I put most of the blame on Locke. Yes, Jack can be a yeller, but Locke is the one that pushed Jack towards the leadership position and then undermined him at every turn. Locke was complicit in Boone's death, and Jack is the only witness to Locke's eery explanation of his abandonment of Boone: "It was a sacrifice the island demanded." Lastly, Locke nearly gets pulled into a hole by Smokey and then chides Jack for trying to save him. He also creates more chaos by creating unrest at the cave and then returning to the hatch at night alone. (Forget that he sends Kate into the abyss alone first.) Anyway, I had a point to all this - oh yeah: The fact that Jack WOULD actually push that button to appease Locke and to keep the peace speaks volumes as to his priorities. He doesn't know what it all means, but he will go with it for now.

Jack wants to allow himself to believe in all of this but he can’t, he’s not where Locke is in that he can find it so effortless to believe, that he can put faith in things to which he doesn’t fully understand. That’s a stretch for Jack. Well said.

For now, here's an Art exhibit dedicated to Elizabeth Mitchell, a hussy who is as sick as we are (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/Lost_3x01_ATaleOfTwoCities_1293-Ar.jpg). :smart:

You know what her favorite part of the job is...

Jack (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/Lost_3x01_ATaleOfTwoCities_0540-Ar.jpg) & Chains (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/twocitiescap-0226.jpg) & Muscles (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/twocitiescap-0224.jpg)

I LOVED season three, and a good 60% of the reason are those pictures. [drool]

I'm starting to find hussies on other shows too. Those of you who watch Friday Night Lights... I think it's safe to assume Landry's a Lost nerd who found some inspiration in leadership pep talks from Jack. :roflmao:He did make a Lost reference, didn't he? I swear I was watching shows this weekend that I had recorded, and SOMEONE made a Lost reference, but I can't remember the show. I swear Lost is on EVERY network.

Claudia815

11-05-2007, 07:51 PM

And I didn’t see Jack lowering his gun at any point in that scene, so maybe Jack wanted Desmond to blow Locke’s head to bits…

I'm sure he has moments when he would love to do it himself, but Maxum already said it: being the first to blink is a very bad idea. His primary concern at that point was Kate and if Desmond was Kelvin and his answer would have been "She's dead", I think Jack couldn't have cared less who died from then on.

Jack’s response to this is “It doesn’t matter…” What are the implications of Jack’s answer? It doesn’t matter that they knew each other before, why is that?

Because the destiny he doesn't believe in now is the same destiny he started to believe in when he told Sarah that she fixed him, on their wedding day. And he was wrong. So wrong. The miracle didn't matter because it all went away and left him behind with a huge boulder of guilt on his shoulders and the belief that there's something terribly, terribly wrong with him and why would anyone ever care about him? I can't blame him for not wanting to believe in fate again.

How is it that Desmond remembers the EXACT subject matter of a conversation that he had with a complete stranger three years ago? How is it that Jack remembers Desmond so quickly just by seeing his face in the last minutes of "Man of Science, Man of Faith"?

Is it really that uncommon? I remember entire random conversations from decades ago and they didn't happen in a momentous night in my life. If you think about it, the night he met Desmond is the night of Sarah's "miracle".

(Another question: When Jack left Locke in the hatch and told him that he was on his own, do you think that Jack was making his way back to camp, and then decided to go after Desmond, or do you think that Jack followed Desmond from the hatch?

He was just following Desmond, but people find each other in the jungle all the time and then they need trackers when the plot requires that they be lost. I don't remember if there was a path or not, but that's usually what the losties use in the jungle.

If Locke had sat Jack down and told Jack about his first encounter with Smokey or even MORE importantly, the fact that Locke was a paraplegic in his former life and confined to a wheelchair, Jack would be far more inclined to sit up and pay attention. Jack, as a spinal surgeon would understand the diagnosis of Locke's condition, and even though Jack wouldn't believe it at first, there are breadcrumbs of truth that can be pieced together: the unclaimed wheelchair on the beach, Rose's testimony, and didn't Jack see Locke carried onboard the plane (maybe he was already on board, I can't remember)?

No, Locke was already seated. In Locke's defense, I think he either believes he's The Chosen One and he needs them to WANT to believe in their ultimate destiny, or the Island told him he's The Chosen One and the infidels are simply not ready to know all that and he's just protecting them. Or both.

He looks so darn good with cold steel in his hands and that steely gaze that he loves to use on Locke. Yum.

You sicko! :p

Didn't you think that Jack recognized Penny? I swear I thought he did a double take when he saw the picture. Now THAT would be an interesting twist.

I like Penny. So I would love to see that they knew each other, but I don't think that's the case. I took Jack's look as one more WTF face at the absurdity of it all. There he was, underground in a 60s style bunker with a guy pushing a button and pining for his girl.

I liked that Locke picked up on the recognition between Desmond and Jack, and Locke knows that it freaked out Jack. Locke, on some level, is trying to get Jack to embrace the unexplainable. Locke is not freaked out by the fact that someone Jack knew is trapped underground on this island and that the two men eventually crossed paths. For Locke, this is all fate and destiny. It makes complete sense. For Jack, it's like his mind is about to explode.

Exactly. That's what I meant before... Locke probably wants all of them to embrace the cookiness on their own, without having him feed them the answer. "WHAT?" I luuuuuv Jack's flustered reaction when Locke gives him the unnerving fixed stare and reads him like a book about his encounter with Desmond.

He did make a Lost reference, didn't he?

I'm sure mom has the exact quote, but he said something like "If we won't play together, we're going to lose alone"... I don't remember because I was too busy laughing. :lol2:

Maxum

11-05-2007, 08:22 PM

There are little pieces of still warm, crispy Arzt raining down on Jack.

And stuck to his shirt. Oohhh, shirt pizza.

Are you sure? He's such a patriarchal pig though, I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to grab the gun from her the very next second. Damn you, writers!

LOL! You're right. What was I thinking? That abusive, dictatorial swine.

He hadn't mentioned anything about being married to anyone and he's not big into sharing. Being so exposed and vulnerable on top of all the craziness and discovering a whole new mindfrak underground is just making Jack have a semi mental breakdown and it's a thing of beauty. I was actually glad he got that kind of relief because boy, does he need it!

True. Jack needed a release valve that's for sure. His explosion of emotion when talking with Desmond in the jungle was very much a thing of beauty. Foxy does that stuff SOOO well. It's probably why I could accept Jack never being happy because I would love watching Matthew work his magic.

Oh, Locke knows him very well. That's why I asked about him being right on the money in MOSMOF re: Jack not wanting to go into the hatch. Locke knows how Jack's mind works and I wasn't surprised when he just gave Sayid a shrug and a simple: "It's Jack!" in Par Avion as they were watching the famous football tossing. I don't think it ever crossed his mind here that Jack was trying to trick him. Locke's very fragile under pressure and messes up on the Numbers, but with Jack it's not that he's gullible (as he is with most everyone he needs), he just trusts him because Jack is upfront with him and has never ever tried to endear himself to Locke.

Very nice observation. Locke does know Jack pretty well. I remember when he asked Kate if she saw a column of smoke out in the jungle, and she nodded her head. Locke says, "I wonder what Jack thinks he saw." Again, he KNOWS Jack saw it, but he also knows that Jack is trying to either rationalize it or is in complete denial. Nothing twists Jack into a pretzel faster than the unexplained.

Is it really that uncommon? I remember entire random conversations from decades ago and they didn't happen in a momentous night in my life. If you think about it, the night he met Desmond is the night of Sarah's "miracle".

yeah, I think it's uncommon. I admire people with a really good memory who can remember every single detail of events and conversations. My sister-in-law is like that. I swear, she remembers what someone was wearing, what gift they gave, everything. Heck, when we go to MY families events, I ask her who my older relatives are because she has spoken to everyone and remembers all their names. My mother will tell me: "Did you say hello to your Uncle Vincent?" and I'm thinking, "Where's Liz to tell me who my Uncle Vincent is." Yes, it's pathetic and embarrassing, but it is what it is.

No, Locke was already seated. In Locke's defense, I think he either believes he's The Chosen One and he needs them to WANT to believe in their ultimate destiny, or the Island told him he's The Chosen One and the infidels are simply not ready to know all that and he's just protecting them. Or both.

Yeah, but if Locke knows that something hugely evil is about to befall all of them, just as Ben knows it to be true, then to keep the information from them is inviting disaster. Afterall, Locke had to physically SEE Jacob before he believed Ben, didn't he? ;) Locke can be quite the hypocrite.

You sicko! :p

I know. :biggrin:

I like Penny. So I would love to see that they knew each other, but I don't think that's the case. I took Jack's look as one more WTF face at the absurdity of it all. There he was, underground in a 60s style bunker with a guy pushing a button and pining for his girl.

You could be right, but my thought was why did the writers focus on Jack's reaction to the picture? Why was it even necessary to SHOW Jack's reaction to the picture? Hmmmm. Me thinks something's afoot.

I'm sure mom has the exact quote, but he said something like "If we won't play together, we're going to lose alone"... I don't remember because I was too busy laughing. :lol2:

YES!!! I do remember that, and I said the exact same thing. All they did was swap out "play" and "lose" for "live" and "die." I swear, does NBC have to copy everything about Lost. :biggrin:

I loved the reference.

workingmom

11-05-2007, 09:13 PM

Just a flyby to bow to the awesome intellect of you ladies :77: . I'm learning many new things.
And NBC is a lame poser and Lost wannabe. Now someone's grabbing Peter Petrelli and the new Irish girlfriend and saying urgently - "Are you sick? Do you have any symptoms?"

Yes, Landry said "We can win together, or lose alone." Poor ugly duckling - already he has to grow up in Texas answering "Sort of" to the perennial question "What a name - Landry. Do you play football?" But he's still awesome because he can quote Jack.

Claudia815

11-05-2007, 10:13 PM

Forever_Erica

11-05-2007, 10:57 PM

The great threat on the island isn't because one particular person made a mistake: It wasn't that Jack made the call; it wasn't who they trusted or didn't trust, it's about the fact that they don't SHARE information with each other, especially Locke.

Exactly. I completely agree with you. Every time the Losties have a chance to really work together and be a team, all of it is shot to you know where because someone is always holding out, and it’s usually Locke. He wasn’t upfront about what it is he saw that makes the Island so beautiful to him, he thwarts Sayid's plan to triangulate Danielle’s signal, he lies about the circumstances of Boone’s condition, he goes off, acting as if he’s there to save Jack, when he has his own motives in play. Locke does whatever he wants, when he wants and has no interest in how anyone really feels about it. He has always gone his own way, done his own thing and that usually leads to trouble for him. I’m not going to say that Locke is the only one that’s guilty of this selfishness in a sense, but it occurs with him more frequently.

The effectiveness of the group as a whole was skillfully displayed in TTLG and what a coincidence that Locke is nowhere around to screw it up lol.

He looks so darn good with cold steel in his hands and that steely gaze that he loves to use on Locke. Yum.

Three words: Stick ‘em up! (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/huntingpartycap542.jpg)

(Oooooh GOD. And I have to say, I ALSO believe that Jack has had some formal training in armed weaponry, something else for those skillful hands to master....LOVE it!)

Didn't you think that Jack recognized Penny? I swear I thought he did a double take when he saw the picture. Now THAT would be an interesting twist.

Yeah, that would be interesting, but as Clauds said, I don’t think that that’s a possibility. He sees a picture of Desmond in the real world, with his girlfriend and all. He sees that this man hasn’t been here all this time, that they have indeed met somewhere in the real world, that he’s not just a man in a hole in the ground, that he has real human connections, that he is indeed the man that he met years before…if that explanation made any sense at all lol.

I liked that Locke picked up on the recognition between Desmond and Jack, and Locke knows that it freaked out Jack. Locke, on some level, is trying to get Jack to embrace the unexplainable.

Very similar to their first, real philosophical conversation in WR. What Locke is trying to tell Jack is basic as of that moment, we’re only beginning to see the great divide between these two men, the space and the foundations that separate them. This place, whatever it is and wherever it is, is special….that’s what Locke is trying to explain to Jack.

Now what I don’t understand, as Maxum said before, why doesn’t Locke stop talking in some mystical tribal idiom, and actually TELL Jack WTF he’s talking about. That’s what gets me highly upset, the fact that Jack is supposed to just believe because Locke believes, and because Locke saw something in the same Island that was about to eat him whole. Locke, I’m sorry, but I’m with Jack. Why should Jack follow Locke into the unknown chasm without any indication as to why Locke finds it so easy to believe? I sure as h*** wouldn’t. The last person who followed Locke around like a sick puppy came back with his insides reminisient of a jumbled bowl of noodles….I’ll take a raincheck John, but thanks anyway. ;)

Never say that our Jack doesn't leave an impression on the people he encounters. God bless Desmond for remembering every detail about that a two minute encounter several years earlier with our Dr. Jack.

Ummmm, yes. I wonder what other ‘impressions’ Jack can leave....:naughty:

For Jack, it all ended badly so it doesn't matter that he saved her or if he was right or wrong about healing her. All Jack sees is his failures.

This is why I want to lovingly slap him….HARD. Because that’s all he sees, his failures, his faults. We were talking about grudges earlier and if Jack has ever held one against anyone and Clauds answered that Jack holds grudges against himself all the time. The man has more hangups about himself than the entire Island situation and Locke combined. I just love my baby so much, that I'm willing to tie him up to get him to understand the error of his ways....:whip:

How do you NOT remember an encounter with Jack? Seriously, girlfriend.

LOL…I have every dream with him in it categorized. Belive me, I remember every encounter, in my head or not. But mostly in my head…poo.

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Actually, I think that Desmond has a bigger purpose, and the fact that he DOES remember Jack may play out later on in the storytelling.

I completely agree. I just don’t think that Desmond being there with Jack in that stadium at who knows what hour at night was a coincidence. I draw this idea from Desmond’s centric episode “Flashes Before Your Eyes” [3x08]. If any of you paid attention (this episode was seriously lacking in Jack-goodness), we see Desmond pre-island and pre-race-around-the-world. We see him happy with Penny, them moving in together, and Desmond ready to pop-the-question.

As he goes and buys the ring, the saleswoman asks him if he’s sure. Desmond is positive about buying the ring. The saleswoman, with some weird premonition abilities, similar to the abilities that Desmond acquired somehow, tells him that he doesn’t buy the ring, and that he walks out the door. Desmond is completely taken-aback by this revelation.

She tells him things, things that are going to happen to him, things we’ve known as viewers that have happened (Desmond vowing to win Penny’s heart back by entering into a sailing race around the world, being ship-wrecked onto the island, and pressing the button in the Swan hatch for three years). But for those things to transpire, Desmond has to break Penny’s heart by breaking up with her. Desmond refuses, feeling as though he has control, but he soon learns that he has to do it, he has to break up with Penny and he does, he breaks up with her.

Now what if he had ignored Ms. Hawking (the saleswoman) and married Penny? Then what would be of everything then? This one decision of breaking up with Penny at that time, later led Desmond to enter that sailing race to win her back which in turn led him to Jack in that stadium and to the island where his fate was destined for him to go, to press that button every 108 minutes to save the world. Everything happens for a reason.

Desmond’s conversation with Jack on the steps already shows in a sense his ‘pre-monition’-like abilities. He tells Jack, “What if you did? What if you saved her?” He asks this question with such confidence, such conviction that it’s hard for me to believe that Desmond is just making pleasant conversation. He’s so adamant in getting Jack to consider the possibilities of a miracle, that it's like he knows something that we don't, like he’s trying to get him to see it without pushing him too hard, until he absolutely has to drop some kind of clue without giving himself away too much. “Lift her up.” Ms. Hawking tells Desmond to get out of her shop, that he doesn’t buy the ring, like Desmond tries to tell Jack that he may have saved Sarah, without actually telling him.

This is where I'm a bit confused...Desmond actually asks Jack about Sarah, asks if she’s okay….so did he know back then, or didn’t he? Is it a coincidence that Desmond wants to buy a ring from Ms. Hawking's shop of all the shops in the city? Is it a coincidence that Desmond is the one to give Jack a much-needed peptalk about Sarah? I’m experiencing a brain-fart on that one lol.

I'll tell you something, Jack has a very good memory, and he doesn't miss much....He's a pretty observant man….

This is true. He saw that Sun was the one who tried to drug Jin but his bottle got mixed up with Michael’s water. He saw in the cave-in that Charlie was in some type of withdrawal period from his last shot of heroin. He noticed that Sawyer was out for some revenge when they went in search of Michael. He saw that Ben was trying to play him. The man is very observant, he has to be to be a great surgeon and it’s just a part of him…that if it were tangible I wouldn’t have trouble licking lol.

I'm sure he has moments when he would love to do it himself, but Maxum already said it: being the first to blink is a very bad idea. His primary concern at that point was Kate and if Desmond was Kelvin and his answer would have been "She's dead", I think Jack couldn't have cared less who died from then on.

Very true. It’s ‘Kill or be killed’ at this point. Zero chances can be taken.

Is it really that uncommon? I remember entire random conversations from decades ago and they didn't happen in a momentous night in my life. If you think about it, the night he met Desmond is the night of Sarah's "miracle".

It’s not uncommon, I was just wondering. A lot has happened to both men in relatively short amounts of time and their heads are just trying to wrap around the fact that they know each other in some way. Jack could very well link his encounter with Desmond to the revelation of his ‘miracle’ surgery, an improbable surgical outcome. The two moments in his life are interwoven and it’s probably hard for Jack to separate them.

"WHAT?" I luuuuuv Jack's flustered reaction when Locke gives him the unnerving fixed stare and reads him like a book about his encounter with Desmond.

LMAO, yeah, that moment is too funny. Screw the Jack and Kate epic romance, Jack and Locke manlove-bicker-fests are ALL the rage! :biggrin:

Erica

workingmom

11-05-2007, 11:14 PM

The scene in the jungle, just spellbinding. I also see that the more Desmond starts to connect the dots, the more Jack grips his hands and fingers more tightly around that gun as if it’s the only thing that's real at the moment. Desmond keeps going on, “I remember you -- running -- I know you -- I met you -- Los Angeles. I was training, yeah? You twisted your ankle...” Jack is telling him to stop, but he goes on, “You're a doctor, right? There was this girl -- you were worried -- you said, you said you failed her. That was you.” Jack’s response to this is “It doesn’t matter…” What are the implications of Jack’s answer?
Now that we've seen ATOTC, "It doesn't matter" carries more weight for Jack. Sarah told him, "It doesn't matter who he [her other man] is; it matters who you're not." Those words had to be ringing in his ears when he thought about her, and here was a man who knew the beginning of their story, and Jack was verbalizing the end of it.

Also, Desmond finally completing the puzzle, making the right connections, makes this all the more real for Jack. How is it that Desmond remembers the EXACT subject matter of a conversation that he had with a complete stranger three years ago? How is it that Jack remembers Desmond so quickly just by seeing his face in the last minutes of "Man of Science, Man of Faith"? Interesting on both accounts.
I think Jack recognized his voice first. That accent you don't hear much in L.A. and even less on Craphole Island. Then he saw Desmond's face and put it all together. Why it took Desmond so long? Some people remember faces better, I guess. Or maybe it was the awful bandana.

Now I have another question for Desmond: You had a BOAT, dammit! These people who dropped into your hatch weren't the enemy. Why didn't you ask a couple of them to come along? Sun pointed out rather accurately that Desmond alone didn't make it very far -- it could have been Desmond's seafaring abilities (although he'd made it that far in a solo race) or it could have been the Island's magnetism.

shoegirl

11-06-2007, 06:30 AM

Somebody, ANYBODY please tell me you have a Verizon phone or I'm going to go buy one right now if they're still open. :jump1:

You know the mobisodes we've heard about a while ago? The first one starts this week and it features... (I'm using spoiler tags, just in case... actually it kinda gives everything away so don't read if you want to be surprised)

Jack and Christian. It's supposedly from their past... I'm just quoting oliverqeen, the person who alerted us about it.

It started with Jack throwing stones into the ocean and then Cristian shows up and gives him his grandfather's watch. They basically talk about marriage and being a father.

Woah. I think they said the mobisodes would be posted on the ABC LOST website a week or so later huh?

But I sure would like to see that now! If anybody can locate Jack and Christian, I'm pretty sure it's you Clauds.

Mom, isn't it amazing how the writers were able to tie in the dialogue with Jack and Desmond from Eppy 3 in Season 2, with the dialogue in eppy 1, Season 3 between Jack and Sarah in the flashback. Great point out of the "it doesn't matter". You are one smart :cookie: . *bows respectfully*

I choose Dr. Delicious!

shoe

Forever_Erica

11-06-2007, 01:54 PM

Now that we've seen ATOTC, "It doesn't matter" carries more weight for Jack. Sarah told him, "It doesn't matter who he [her other man] is; it matters who you're not." Those words had to be ringing in his ears when he thought about her, and here was a man who knew the beginning of their story, and Jack was verbalizing the end of it.

Precisely. Great observation and connection between the two scenes. :biggrin:

Or maybe it was the awful bandana...

LMAO. Yeah, that thing covered 99.5% of Jack's face. Well, not that much, but it was a bit awful huh?

...it could have been Desmond's seafaring abilities (although he'd made it that far in a solo race) or it could have been the Island's magnetism.

Or maybe the guy who trained for months for the race all of a sudden can't steer worth a d*** because he's a drunken sad mess. The fact that he was shipwrecked so far into the race says something, and that no matter how far he tries to run, he keeps ending up at square one. Wooptideee doooo. Craphole Island...AGAIN.

Erica

yas_m

11-06-2007, 02:12 PM

Lost Mobisode 1: Missing Pieces: The Watch (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/11/lost-mobisode-1-missing-pieces-watch.html)

TEH HAIR!! *le dies* despite the lack of continuity

Nice little happy Jack/Christian moment despite the mention of the ex wife from hell.

been a while since I've spoiler tagged, do we spoiler the mobisodes, it's confusing...

ETA: seems like the vid has been deleted not sure if temporarily or permanently. sucks...

lulinha_k

11-06-2007, 02:13 PM

I think Jack recognized his voice first. That accent you don't hear much in L.A. and even less on Craphole Island.

*de-lurking*

I really think so...
Nobody says "brothaaaaaaaaaah" like Desmond does... :redface:
Can I ship Desmond/Jack? Would that be a Desck or a Jackond ship? :renske:

*back to lurker*

Claudia815

11-06-2007, 02:27 PM

Three words: Stick ‘em up! (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb100/Forever_Lost_Erica/My%20TV%20husband/huntingpartycap542.jpg)

Oh... you meant my hands, right? Oooops... :redface:

Desmond’s conversation with Jack on the steps already shows in a sense his ‘pre-monition’-like abilities. He tells Jack, “What if you did? What if you saved her?” He asks this question with such confidence, such conviction that it’s hard for me to believe that Desmond is just making pleasant conversation. He’s so adamant in getting Jack to consider the possibilities of a miracle, that it's like he knows something that we don't, like he’s trying to get him to see it without pushing him too hard, until he absolutely has to drop some kind of clue without giving himself away too much.

I though his own spirit was lifted by knowing Penny still loved him and he was in one of those "I love the world, humanity rocks!" kind of moods and felt like he needed to share that cheery outlook to a fellow runner who was in a gloomy mood. Oh, boy, I would exasperate Locke, wouldn't I? :biggrin:

This is where I'm a bit confused...Desmond actually asks Jack about Sarah, asks if she’s okay….so did he know back then, or didn’t he? Is it a coincidence that Desmond wants to buy a ring from Ms. Hawking's shop of all the shops in the city? Is it a coincidence that Desmond is the one to give Jack a much-needed peptalk about Sarah?

Ms.Hawking is a very direct case of the Universe butting in in their lives, so until we see more, I won't even go there. It's not a coincidence that Desmond is the one who tells Jack to believe that there is hope and echo his father's words from earlier in the episode because the writers don't do coincidence. They like their Fate-based story and I have to wrap my mind around it somehow. However, in Jack's case, Desmond didn't really alter anything, they didn't meet at a time when Jack was struggling on whether to operate on Sarah or not. The decision was already made, he'd already performed surgery on Sarah and thought he failed so Desmond had nothing to do with the fact that Sarah could miraculously move her toes again.

This is true. He saw that Sun was the one who tried to drug Jin but his bottle got mixed up with Michael’s water.

Since we're on the subject... Do you think he also knows of Kate's involvement? He knows Kate hangs out with Sun and they're friends (Jack actually discusses Sun and Jin's rocky marriage with Kate a couple of times before Born To Run) and Kate's not too good at manipulating him. I've always wondered if Jack suspected it was Kate's doing, but I don't know. Wouldn't he have called her on it?

Woah. I think they said the mobisodes would be posted on the ABC LOST website a week or so later huh?

But I sure would like to see that now! If anybody can locate Jack and Christian, I'm pretty sure it's you Clauds.

Unfortunately, no luck so far. Everyone at work is on the same other network. :mad:

Yasy, I can't see anything cause they deleted it already, but there's a transcript. :ntworthy:

:24: Grandpa Shephard didn't like Margo. I think I like him.

LMAO. Yeah, that thing covered 99.5% of Jack's face. Well, not that much, but it was a bit awful huh?

"I am shocked and dismayed, Erica! How can you make fun of my dorag?" (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/MOSMOF/Lost_2x01_ManOfScienceManOfFaith027.jpg)

yas_m

11-06-2007, 02:36 PM

Yasy, I can't see anything cause they deleted it already, but there's a transcript. :ntworthy:

:24: Grandpa Shephard didn't like Margo. I think I like him.

I know, I wanted to have another *ahem* more educated viewing of the vid but no such luck, but I did watch it a first time :p and I have to emphasize

the hair! the wrists! a li'l bit of happy giggling!!
good times...

kickflip_chick

11-06-2007, 02:41 PM

Claudia815

11-06-2007, 02:42 PM

Blah! I still have so much more work to do and you're teasing me with all these details :thud:

Was it the same watch Jack gives to Hurley so he can time Claire's contractions (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/Pilot/Pilot.jpg) in the Pilot? We haven't seen it since then.

Well, Locke has seen it (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/The%20Shirts/NavyShirt.jpg)cause the trippy paste told him so.

yas_m

11-06-2007, 02:46 PM

THE SUNGLASSES!!!!!

My hussy priorities are in the wrong places... LMAO.

Oh good, someone else saw it. For a minute there I thought I had been imagining things, you know, flu medicine, lack of food, and workaholism

ETA: it's back up on Dark's site, or I am losing it :p

lulinha_k

11-06-2007, 02:50 PM

Oh good, someone else saw it. For a minute there I thought I had been imagining things, you know, flu medicine, lack of food, and workaholism

ETA: it's back up on Dark's site, or I am losing it :p

I saw it too...

Is that a DNH deleted scene?

Forever_Erica

11-06-2007, 02:59 PM

Is that a DNH deleted scene?

Yeah, well it can't be a DNH deleted scene because Foxy's hair is longer in this one compared to other deleted scenes from that episode. I think that it was shot during the FF schedule for TTLG. That would explain the hair and the SUNGLASSES!.....GAH! It's a lost moment from DNH, but I don't think that it's a deleted scene....

The spoiler tags are really freaking me out you guys lol. Are they really necessary? It's not really a spoiler...oh well, I digress.

Lost Mobisode 1: Missing Pieces: The Watch (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/11/lost-mobisode-1-missing-pieces-watch.html)

THANK YOU yasy for bringing that by, I really appreciate it!

Erica

yas_m

11-06-2007, 03:03 PM

workingmom

11-06-2007, 03:07 PM

Oh don't we love these two together!

I think it's safe to say that throwing rocks = chopping wood = Jack totally tied up in knots about a woman.
Lovey, he's wearing Ace's sunglasses! :biggrin:
I'm looking forward to a better quality version to catch all the nuance between these two...Emo!Jack at the end, god. :thud:

Claudia815

11-06-2007, 03:09 PM

Erica, I think we'll just keep the spoiler tags until we're told otherwise, just to be safe. Pssst... Jack left you a message on the previous page. :p

If these are just random "Missing Pieces" from the characters past, I'm OK with that. They're much better than entire drawn out and pointless filler flashbacks I anticipated three more years from now for most of the original crew. There's not enough to fill out a plot anymore, but tidbits like this one are nice.

However, if the writers are trying to tell me a story, they need better continuity

with the watches. Come on, dudes! You know how obsessive your fandom is! :p I'm not complaining, I'm happy either way. I don't know if they were trying something that would look like Jin's watch (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rolex_watch)or that was simply what they had available at the time.

Either way... it's Jack and Christian. I love it. "No pressure, huh?" :24: It's bittersweet snark.

yas_m

11-06-2007, 03:16 PM

The spoiler tags are really freaking me out you guys lol. Are they really necessary? It's not really a spoiler...oh well, I digress.

At least this time we are not spoiler tagging information about the shirts.

Franci

11-06-2007, 03:16 PM

Th..th...the..

HAIRRRRRRR!!!!!!! :thud:

Man,that mobisode sent me to LOST fever mood.I need. him (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Jack/3x21-hitscap197lj.jpg) it.NOW.
I can't even remember HOW it is when the show is on *headdesk*

If these are just random "Missing Pieces" from the characters past, I'm OK with that

yep.I think they are just random scenes.they prolly don't have any other purpose except keeping us quiet during the endless hiatus. I'd need a Jack one at least every day to keep me quiet tho *pouts*

Forever_Erica

11-06-2007, 03:36 PM

Oh... you meant my hands, right? Oooops... :redface:

LMAO. Yes, I meant your hands...but hey, I understand the cause for confusion. ;)

I though his own spirit was lifted by knowing Penny still loved him and he was in one of those "I love the world, humanity rocks!" kind of moods and felt like he needed to share that cheery outlook to a fellow runner who was in a gloomy mood.

Could be. I just thought that Desmond's tone when he told Jack to 'lift her up" was a bit more telling than anything else. Maybe he was in a happy, high, "I'm gonna get my Penny back" mood, but I just thought that he was there for something else, for some other purpose besides training for that race lol.

However, in Jack's case, Desmond didn't really alter anything, they didn't meet at a time when Jack was struggling on whether to operate on Sarah or not. The decision was already made, he'd already performed surgery on Sarah and thought he failed so Desmond had nothing to do with the fact that Sarah could miraculously move her toes again.

This is true. Jack's decision to operate on Sarah was of his own volition, but when he said, "I'm going to save you..." he knew that it wasn't in the cards, but he had faith that a miracle would indeed happen, and Desmond tries to reinforce that faith that Jack seemed to have lost since performing the surgery. You're right, Jack performed the miracle, and that's what the basis of this is: trying to get Jack to see the bigger picture, just like Ms. Hawking was there to get Desmond to see the bigger picture of him having to break it off with Penny.

Since we're on the subject... Do you think he also knows of Kate's involvement? He knows Kate hangs out with Sun and they're friends (Jack actually discusses Sun and Jin's rocky marriage with Kate a couple of times before Born To Run) and Kate's not too good at manipulating him. I've always wondered if Jack suspected it was Kate's doing, but I don't know. Wouldn't he have called her on it?

I think that Jack knew that Kate was somehow involved or that it was her idea to drug Jin so that he's out of the raft adventure, so that she can take his spot. When trying to reason with Michael didn't work, Kate went to option #2, getting Sun to try and stop Jin from going. I don't know if Jack actually pinpoints Kate as the main culprit, but he said it himself: "I don't know what you're capable of"...but he can read her very well and he knows what she's not telling him, that she knows what caused Michael to kneel over in pain. I don't think that he would have called her on it. Jack knows that Kate knows that she's wrong, that her involvement in it was wrong and manipulative, he knows that she knows this, that's why she's sitting all by herself, alone infront of that fire, the same way in which she was sitting in her lonesome after Jack caught her in another lie in WTCMB.

"I am shocked and dismayed, Erica! How can you make fun of my dorag?" (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/MOSMOF/Lost_2x01_ManOfScienceManOfFaith027.jpg)

Because baby, I want to be your dorag :naughty:...I'm sorry that I dismayed you, feel free to punish me....:whip:

yep.I think they are just random scenes.they prolly don't have any other purpose except keeping us quiet during the endless hiatus. I'd need a Jack one at least every day to keep me quiet tho *pouts*

Yeah, I agree Franci. I think that it's a way to pass the time until the new season starts, just like they did last season with the 'Lost moments' that aired on ABC. The mobisodes are a cool idea and it's nice to see such moments between Jack and Christian, but for other stories, what more can they reveal or show in a sense? Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the idea of the mobisodes and it's really interesting, but can they keep it up for 13 more weeks? I surely hope so, because they see that people are getting restless with the fall season starting and all, some aren't as patient as others.

Erica, I think we'll just keep the spoiler tags until we're told otherwise, just to be safe.

Okay, as you wish master Clauds. ;)

Christian: Do me a favor, huh? If you and Sarah ever have a kid, try to treat it better than I treated you.

....Hmmmmm.....so Christian knows he was a deadbeat.....FASCINATING. I mean, I know that the guy knew that he was a screwup, hence the convo with Sawyer in Outlaws, but I would have thought he would have tried to keep that a secret from Jack, even though Jack knows what an ***hole he was growing up. I don't know, maybe that declaration from Christian is what scares Jack into not wanting kids in the first place. Just a thought.

And at the end, I swear that if Jack hadn't been wearing those gorgeous sungalsses, we would have witnessed his beautiful brown orbs glassy with a few unshed tears....

Erica

workingmom

11-06-2007, 03:45 PM

However, in Jack's case, Desmond didn't really alter anything, they didn't meet at a time when Jack was struggling on whether to operate on Sarah or not. The decision was already made, he'd already performed surgery on Sarah and thought he failed so Desmond had nothing to do with the fact that Sarah could miraculously move her toes again.
.... unless he's Clarence the Angel Earning His Wings. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :rolleyes:

Claudia815

11-06-2007, 10:51 PM

Th..th...the..

HAIRRRRRRR!!!!!!! :thud:

:lol2: You and Lovey (who saw it in the original VCast version) are making me want to skip the weekend so I can finally watch it on abc.com

It will be available there as of next week. (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=missingpieces)

"We leave it up to you" is their way of saying "It's random. We're throwing you geeks a bone" I'm OK with it, I don't really understand why anyone would expect "answers" or anything of the sort.

I think we're OK with unspoilering it now...

Jack's decision to operate on Sarah was of his own volition, but when he said, "I'm going to save you..." he knew that it wasn't in the cards, but he had faith that a miracle would indeed happen, and Desmond tries to reinforce that faith that Jack seemed to have lost since performing the surgery.

I don't think Jack believed in any of that when he was so determined to make Sarah walk again. He believed in taking a risk to perform the surgery, but I don't think he had faith in it, it was just something he wanted for her.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the idea of the mobisodes and it's really interesting, but can they keep it up for 13 more weeks? I surely hope so, because they see that people are getting restless with the fall season starting and all, some aren't as patient as others.

There's probably going to be one for each character so there'll be something for everyone at some point. I want to see Claire's and Locke's.

Christian: Do me a favor, huh? If you and Sarah ever have a kid, try to treat it better than I treated you.

....Hmmmmm.....so Christian knows he was a deadbeat.....FASCINATING. I mean, I know that the guy knew that he was a screwup, hence the convo with Sawyer in Outlaws, but I would have thought he would have tried to keep that a secret from Jack, even though Jack knows what an ***hole he was growing up. I don't know, maybe that declaration from Christian is what scares Jack into not wanting kids in the first place. Just a thought.

I think the state of his marriage with Sarah at that point was what scared Jack off of having kids with her. I am continously amused by the idea that grandpa Shephard hated Margo, but it's also nice to see our theory about Christian having some daddy issues of his own confirmed. His father's instincts were much better than his own though.

I'm surprised Sarah let Jack wiggle out of the all important flower arranging. Then again, he probably sneaked out and escaped and Bridezilla didn't even notice.

.... unless he's Clarence the Angel Earning His Wings. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :rolleyes:

Hehe. We'll bookmark that theory.

Forever_Erica

11-06-2007, 11:42 PM

I don't think Jack believed in any of that when he was so determined to make Sarah walk again. He believed in taking a risk to perform the surgery, but I don't think he had faith in it, it was just something he wanted for her.

Very true and I have to agree with you, even though I still think that Jack was looking for some divine intervention, whether he wants to admit it or not, but I think that deep down in places he doesn't like to discuss or show, he was looking for some help. He did want this for Sarah, that much is very clear. He saw that she was about to marry Fabio's little self-centered brother, so he knew that Sarah needed to be taken care of by someone.

And the way that Kevin treats Sarah in his conversation with Jack shows Jack that this guy is not devoted to her, and that drives Jack to become even more attached to her. It's like when I see a sick puppy, all I want to do is take care of it and take all the pain away. Sarah is Jack's lost puppy lmao. And it's appropriate too, because she's a real bitch. ;)

There's probably going to be one for each character so there'll be something for everyone at some point. I want to see Claire's and Locke's.

Yeah, I think that it's nice to have something to look forward to in the immediate future. I sure do miss new episodes of the Jack Show every week....:sadwalk:

I'm surprised Sarah let Jack wiggle out of the all important flower arranging. Then again, he probably sneaked out and escaped and Bridezilla didn't even notice.

:note: "Bridezilla, she's breathing fiiiire...bridezilla, nothing will satisfy her...can't talk to her.....can't kill her....heeeeere comes BRIDEZILLA!":note:

Sarah, take your bow!

Erica

Claudia815

11-07-2007, 08:10 PM

I was going to put together a little goodie bag for those of you who are sick (not the good kind of sick) and down with the flu bug, but work and my own state of exhaustion and pre-flu symptoms have kept me from my pleasant task.

Get better, everyone! :hug:

suzzzette, did you get your hands on Frank yet?

This is true. Jack's decision to operate on Sarah was of his own volition, but when he said, "I'm going to save you..." he knew that it wasn't in the cards, but he had faith that a miracle would indeed happen

I always thought his miracle and the point of his life where he started to be of man of faith was of an emotional nature, not the surgery in itself. That Sarah loved him. That she fixed him and made him believe that someone would care about him. I'm sure that by the time Gabriela read about Sarah's surgery in medical journals, Jack had already found a way to rationalize the medical miracle, it was the loss of his personal one that led him to go back to despising his father's fate mantra. Does that make any sense?

You're right, Jack performed the miracle, and that's what the basis of this is: trying to get Jack to see the bigger picture, just like Ms. Hawking was there to get Desmond to see the bigger picture of him having to break it off with Penny.

Yeah, I can see that metaphorically and as a recurring theme.

I think that Jack knew that Kate was somehow involved or that it was her idea to drug Jin so that he's out of the raft adventure, so that she can take his spot. When trying to reason with Michael didn't work, Kate went to option #2, getting Sun to try and stop Jin from going. I don't know if Jack actually pinpoints Kate as the main culprit, but he said it himself: "I don't know what you're capable of"...

He's had a big clue when she crushed pills in his soup and drugged him to sleep only a few days earlier, so that's why I thought he at least suspected Sun wasn't the mastermind behind all of this because she wasn't the only interested party in getting Jin (or anyone) off the raft. But he did talk to Sun about it; he never said anything to Kate.

:note: "Bridezilla, she's breathing fiiiire...bridezilla, nothing will satisfy her...can't talk to her.....can't kill her....heeeeere comes BRIDEZILLA!":note:

Sarah, take your bow!

:roflmao: You and Maxum are going to sing this everytime you rewatch Do No Harm, aren't you? Who am I to talk? One of my very favorite moments of DNH is when Christian reads Sarah's vows and you can hear it in his voice that he's a little worried that Jack composed that flowery bs. I love how they kept these little details consistent here.

I think it's safe to say that throwing rocks = chopping wood = Jack totally tied up in knots about a woman.

"There are a lot of rocks here..." Wow! He really, really, really didn't want to marry Sarah. This and the deleted scene from DNH kinda seal the deal. (Of course, I lost the youtube link again! :help:, Mrs.B! Anyone? I'm so bad with keeping track of things :redface: )

suzzzette

11-07-2007, 08:23 PM

Forever_Erica

11-08-2007, 12:11 AM

...did you get your hands on Frank yet?

I know I did...*smacks his fine, tortured booootay*

I always thought his miracle and the point of his life where he started to be of man of faith was of an emotional nature, not the surgery in itself. That Sarah loved him. That she fixed him and made him believe that someone would care about him. I'm sure that by the time Gabriela read about Sarah's surgery in medical journals, Jack had already found a way to rationalize the medical miracle, it was the loss of his personal one that led him to go back to despising his father's fate mantra. Does that make any sense?

It makes sense, but I just don't know if it was of the emotional state as opposed to a miracle, which, according to my philosophy teacher, is "something that goes against our experience; a violation of the laws of nature." Sarah having been fixed, having been able to walk again, goes against the laws of nature IMHO. Gabriela insinuating that her father has a chance to live a longer life based on Sarah's case makes it harder for Jack to say no IMHO. I mean, just because the surgery was published, that doesn't necessarily mean that there's a valid and empirical basis for it. Marvel-type stories are published all the time. Gabriela mentioning Sarah's case, which stunned both Christian and Jack, that this woman actually did her homework before consulting with them, just does something to Jack, makes him question the validity of science or maybe it makes his belief in science stronger...

All in all, I understand you Clauds. ;)

He's had a big clue when she crushed pills in his soup and drugged him to sleep only a few days earlier, so that's why I thought he at least suspected Sun wasn't the mastermind behind all of this because she wasn't the only interested party in getting Jin (or anyone) off the raft. But he did talk to Sun about it; he never said anything to Kate.

Yeah, he didn't say anything to Kate, because I don't think that there was anything left that he had to say to her. He asked her a question and when she responds WITH a question, she's hiding something and he knew it and he gave her his most honest and upfront answer, an answer that she just couldn't take, because he's right and she knows it.

:roflmao: You and Maxum are going to sing this everytime you rewatch Do No Harm, aren't you?

Damn right. When she basically kicks poor Mark off the stage at the rehearsal dinner in DNH, you can ACTUALLY see the devil horns coming from her each side of her head.

"There are a lot of rocks here..." Wow! He really, really, really didn't want to marry Sarah. This and the deleted scene from DNH kinda seal the deal.

LMAO, Jack spends more time by himself (playing the piano, getting drunk by the pool, throwing rocks on the shore) than he does with the Bridezilla blonde.

Erica

Claudia815

11-08-2007, 03:06 PM

So, maybe its just the cold medicine, but I have totally fallen in love with Frank. I'm infatuated. I'm crushing. I'm lusting.

It was the ugly dog, wasn't it? When he babytalks Gus... I think a lot of us lost it in that moment.

Anyway - I just love the way he played Frank - obviously a pretty tough guy - but totally soft-spoken and outrageously charming and pretty funny too. So, maybe its the cold medicine or the lack of Lost, but right now Frank is in my top spot, one notch above Jack. Clearly I need to have a Lost mini-marathon very soon.

Yay, more Jack for me! :p You'll always be my number 1, baby!

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-08-2007, 08:47 PM

It was the ugly dog, wasn't it? When he babytalks Gus... I think a lot of us lost it in that moment.

<raises hand>

Yes, that was the moment when I seriously considered taking up smoking.

Jack is my one and only honey, but Frank is a darling. I'm a little sweet on Charlie too.

TSTID

Lovey

11-08-2007, 09:04 PM

It was the ugly dog, wasn't it? When he babytalks Gus... I think a lot of us lost it in that moment.

Okay WHOA. HE BABYTALKS THE DOG?!?
You have withheld this information from me for what reason?
:chair:

Claudia815

11-08-2007, 10:15 PM

LMAO, Jack spends more time by himself (playing the piano, getting drunk by the pool, throwing rocks on the shore) than he does with the Bridezilla blonde.

I don't think she even noticed it. His only role there was to fill in that tux with his fine, fine form, spew some flowery crap as vows and say "I do". Oh, and dance at the wedding.

Okay WHOA. HE BABYTALKS THE DOG?!?
You have withheld this information from me for what reason?
:chair:

*rubs head* I'm a cat person, you know that. I guess that's my only excuse. There are plenty of dog lovers around here who are more qualified to give you the details.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-09-2007, 11:37 AM

There are plenty of dog lovers around here who are more qualified to give you the details.

Hey, I KNOW I squeed about this in the most embarrassing way when I first saw it. Frank and Gus -- the OTP of "Haunted." :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

I just saw Fidelity last night. I see what you mean about the stylin' B&W panorama. And I love the supporting role played by the Santa Ana winds. Can I say that whole epi is shockingly Chandler-esque. I loved it.

TSTID

Claudia815

11-09-2007, 05:33 PM

Hey, Andrea! What's going on around here? (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/labcoat.jpg)

Oh... You don't know? I'm afraid I have sad news for you, Dr.Shephard... Your hussies... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/hospitalcatwalk.jpg)

OMG, are they OK? (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/cometomommababy.jpg)

Well... there's a very contagious strain of the influenza virus going around and I'm afraid the poor darlings are too sick to perv on you this week. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/hospitalcatwalk.jpg)

*Dr.Jack is very distressed, rubbing his hand over his cropped hair...* (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/ATOTC/citiespromo-65.jpg)[a few hussies are already showing signs of getting better just from watching this simple action]

*Jack holds back tears* But... but... what am I going to do without them? (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/daddy-issues0474.jpg)

Well... you're a doctor aren't you? You know what they call you?

No... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/puppyeyes.jpg)

Dr.Studmuffin, Dr.Delicious, Dr.Sex... I think flu meds might not be the answer for this one. Ahem.

*nods* You're right. I have to get it together and help my girls. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/hughim.jpg)

Here's a tip. They like it when it rains on you (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/sos-cap564.jpg)or whenever your clothes are soaking wet.

"OK... I'll do my best then. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/livediecap0034.jpg) :doctor:"

bigK

11-09-2007, 08:42 PM

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-09-2007, 11:12 PM

I am healed!

It took a lot of open-mouth kissing rescue breathing and boob adjusting chest compressions to bring me back from the brink, though.

TSTID

freckles_shephard

11-10-2007, 07:53 AM

I still have to watch that mobisode, but my computer is so slow at the moment doing other stuff I'll try a bit later.
I've gotten my S3 dvd's yesterday,he talks a bit on the Lost on Location for TTLG and there's a few bloopers with him. I havent rewatched any episodes yet, just the bonus features disk.
The best part is the scene from ATOTC where he does cpr on the gil in the playground that got cut. Glad they put that on there.

Claudia815

11-10-2007, 11:36 AM

With so many casualties in the good battle against germs, I have to ask about our perving schedule.

You know I've been dying to get to The Hunting Party, but I'd rather have everyone present and healthy (erm... well... at least in body :hypocrit: ) for the ocassion. Jack's not involved much in the filler episodes following Orientation and as cool as The Other 48 Days and The 23rd Psalm are, he's just not there.

Which episode should be the subject of our next live party? Any suggestions about the day you want to have it would be welcome as well. :kisss:

I am healed!

What is this I feel? The heat fluttering spazms are definately a good sign. I'm....i'm......cuuurrreeeed.

"Damn, I'm good!" (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/The%20Hunting%20Party/Lost_2x11_TheHuntingParty0327-Ar.jpg)

I still have to watch that mobisode, but my computer is so slow at the moment doing other stuff I'll try a bit later.

It will be out on abc.com on Monday and we'll all get a chance to see a higher quality version in just a few days, so it's worth the wait.

In the meantime, here's Lostpedia's transcript (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Watch_transcript). Is it just me or did they get one of Christian's lines wrong? He doesn't say "I didn't like him?" but "He didn't like... your mother"... right?

The best part is the scene from ATOTC where he does cpr on the gil in the playground that got cut. Glad they put that on there.

There's also an Easter Egg from the making of that episode, the scene where Jack's arms defeat the Pacific Ocean. Elizabeth Mitchell's laughter is the soundtrack and one lucky, lucky crew member gets to play in the water with Matthew Fox. Thank God for our international hussies, I don't even have to whine about getting the DVDs so late.

freckles_shephard

11-11-2007, 01:48 AM

Which episode should be the subject of our next live party? Any suggestions about the day you want to have it would be welcome as well. :kisss:

How about ATOTC;) As long as it's on a Friday or Saturday night I might be able to chat.

It will be out on abc.com on Monday and we'll all get a chance to see a higher quality version in just a few days, so it's worth the wait.

In the meantime, here's Lostpedia's transcript (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Watch_transcript). Is it just me or did they get one of Christian's lines wrong? He doesn't say "I didn't like him?" but "He didn't like... your mother"... right?

Thanks Claudia:) I'll have to wait till next weekend to see it but that's ok atleast I've read the transcript. It sounds good:biggrin:

There's also an Easter Egg from the making of that episode, the scene where Jack's arms defeat the Pacific Ocean. Elizabeth Mitchell's laughter is the soundtrack and one lucky, lucky crew member gets to play in the water with Matthew Fox. Thank God for our international hussies, I don't even have to whine about getting the DVDs so late.

I missed that easter egg, found some other ones but will have to go back and look for that one, any clue to where it is?

and for those of you who didnt already know how unfair life is, there's actually a crew member who's job it is to apply dirt/sweat etc to the actors bodies:thud: Imagine that being your job:drool:

Forever_Erica

11-11-2007, 01:19 PM

I don't think she even noticed it. His only role there was to fill in that tux with his fine, fine form, spew some flowery crap as vows and say "I do". Oh, and dance at the wedding.

Aww, poor Jack. He doesn't even get any love on his wedding day. Is Sarah marrying Jack or just the ART of getting married? Selfish :censored:.

Come to Mama Jackiepoo.....:6:

Which episode should be the subject of our next live party? Any suggestions about the day you want to have it would be welcome as well. :kisss:

I was thinking that the next logical episode would be "The Hunting Party". Jack in body-hugging power-suit... Jack in beautiful maroon dress shirt (I can't thank the wardrobe department enough for that, it haunts my dreams)....Jack very trigger-friendly....Jack PERIOD. GAH! I don't know when I would be able to join in. Friday and Saturday nights work better for me. College is just dreadful during this time of year.

Hey, Andrea! What's going on around here? (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/labcoat.jpg)

Oh... You don't know? I'm afraid I have sad news for you, Dr.Shephard... Your hussies... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/hospitalcatwalk.jpg)

OMG, are they OK? (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/cometomommababy.jpg)

Well... there's a very contagious strain of the influenza virus going around and I'm afraid the poor darlings are too sick to perv on you this week. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/hospitalcatwalk.jpg)

*Dr.Jack is very distressed, rubbing his hand over his cropped hair...* (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s3/ATOTC/citiespromo-65.jpg)[a few hussies are already showing signs of getting better just from watching this simple action]

*Jack holds back tears* But... but... what am I going to do without them? (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/daddy-issues0474.jpg)

Well... you're a doctor aren't you? You know what they call you?

No... (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/puppyeyes.jpg)

Dr.Studmuffin, Dr.Delicious, Dr.Sex... I think flu meds might not be the answer for this one. Ahem.

*nods* You're right. I have to get it together and help my girls. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s1/ATBCHDI/hughim.jpg)

Here's a tip. They like it when it rains on you (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/sos-cap564.jpg)or whenever your clothes are soaking wet.

"OK... I'll do my best then. (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/livediecap0034.jpg) :doctor:"

Thanks Clauds. I wasn't even sick and even I feel better! Mr. Haha ALWAYS makes me feel better. I miss him so bad......I might resort to doing something drastic....:3:

Erica

shmyshmy

11-11-2007, 06:57 PM

Hi Everyone!

I like Jack/Foxy can I be in this group ??? Please??? :biggrin:

Franci

11-12-2007, 04:02 AM

Monday :smart: may I suggest the better version of the first mobisode (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=index) for our Art Class?

for those of you who didnt already know how unfair life is, there's actually a crew member who's job it is to apply dirt/sweat etc to the actors bodies

I know.I want to cry... :sadwalk: this (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Foxy/17089315.jpg) job (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd304/franci_pb/Foxy/17090005.jpg) ain't that bad either..

Hi Everyone!
I like Jack/Foxy can I be in this group ??? Please???

WELCOME! :clapping:

ozge

11-12-2007, 05:39 AM

shoegirl

11-12-2007, 07:31 AM

Hey guys!
Matthew Fox is on "People's Sexiest Man Alive 2007" list :75happy: :clap:
issue will come out on November 14!

Sexiest Man Alive 2007 (http://www.people.com/people/package/0,,20154290,00.html)

hope they have a new pic of foxy :)

That's Great News. Of course, plenty of us Hussys would love to have him on the cover. The Sexiest Man Alive. Hmmm, maybe after the People folks see him on the big screen toting a gun and wearing a suit, and then in *fingers crossed* tight leather in Speed Racer, he'll make cover boy. Looks like Josh and Daniel Dae Kim made it in their list too. Good for the Boys of LOST.

I Chose Dr. Jack!

shoe

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-12-2007, 05:59 PM

That's Great News. Of course, plenty of us Hussys would love to have him on the cover. The Sexiest Man Alive. Hmmm, maybe after the People folks see him on the big screen toting a gun and wearing a suit, and then in *fingers crossed* tight leather in Speed Racer, he'll make cover boy. Looks like Josh and Daniel Dae Kim made it in their list too. Good for the Boys of LOST.

I Chose Dr. Jack!

shoe

They should put him on the cover and then retire the award permanently.

Good for the boys of Lost indeed. I wouldn't complain at all if they put Henry Ian Cusick on that list either. He's awfully cute.

TSTID

Claudia815

11-12-2007, 08:28 PM

Francesca, grazie mile! :kisss: I had to sneak in from work to watch the mobisode and it was so good to see our favorite dysfunctional father/son duo again. Now we can add a third generation to the crackpot mix. Imagine family reunions with the Shephards...

I'm sorry I'm so disorganised these days, but I'm about to switch timezones and I haven't had time to breathe properly lately.

Welcome, BunnyNumber8! ozge, good to see you back, stay with us. :biggrin: My taste and this type of lists often clash furiously, but hey... I want at least another photoshoot.

How about ATOTC;) As long as it's on a Friday or Saturday night I might be able to chat.

We're definitely going to party on the weekend, but we're still at the beginning of season two. I feel horribly guilty whenever someone misses the party and with a combination of flu and exams and life, I wanted to hold off on another Jack episode until we can somehow coordinate everyone.

My suggestion is either Friday or Saturday night this weekend. If we can have it during the day so poor yasy and iorwen and other Europeans can join us, even better, but it's up to you (not like I ever sleep anyway).

My best friend and I are planning a season two marathon before my impending move to California so I'll fastforward through the non-Jack parts and hopefully have some things to discuss because hindsight is a wonderful thing. There's Jack playing explorer with Sayid, the hilarious mental image of Jack ripping apart the kitchen sink--I hope there was proper plubming equipment toolbelt involved--Jack getting his doctorly, luscious butt kicked by a girl, reconnecting with Ana Lucia, chopping wood (more productive than throwing rocks), etc. I'll rewind all of those tidbits on Wednesday (depending on how crazy work gets) so we're all caught up in time for the weekend.

I don't know about you, but I need this...

I was thinking that the next logical episode would be "The Hunting Party". Jack in body-hugging power-suit... Jack in beautiful maroon dress shirt (I can't thank the wardrobe department enough for that, it haunts my dreams)....Jack very trigger-friendly....Jack PERIOD. GAH!

It's kind of imperative for my mental health so... let me know which day of the weekend works best for you. This is the last episode I ever watched before I became involved in fandom so it will feel like perv... sharing the experience for the first time. :3:

I missed that easter egg, found some other ones but will have to go back and look for that one, any clue to where it is?

Luka can help you with that, or our European members; we don't have the DVDs yet here in the US.

shmyshmy

11-12-2007, 09:16 PM

:thumbup1: Thanks for the welcome!!!

shoegirl

11-13-2007, 07:13 AM

Denizens,

In case you do not read it elsewhere.

Save The Humans, a long-timer poster on the Fuselage, passed away on Friday. There is a thread in her memory in the chat area.

What stands out to me regarding Save the Humans view of Jack, she always was hopeful of seeing Jack and Sawyer one day becoming friends or partners against the bad guys. May her dreams come true. As someone said in the thread honoring STH, I hope there is TV in Heaven, and I hope it shows LOST.

Peace.

shoe

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-13-2007, 11:51 AM

Imagine family reunions with the Shephards...

Jack's mom will totally LOVE Claire, I know that for certain.

TSTID

workingmom

11-13-2007, 12:16 PM

Jack getting his doctorly, luscious butt kicked by a girl,
You forgot to mention "wiggly". ;) But that didn't keep it from getting kicked. It's all part of "accuracy."

Claudia815

11-13-2007, 12:37 PM

As someone said in the thread honoring STH, I hope there is TV in Heaven, and I hope it shows LOST.

If some theologians are right and heaven is what you want it to be, then I'm sure that's where she is now. May she rest in peace. I'll love Desmond a little bit more now, in her memory.

I know this sounds stupid, but I was very shocked by the news and five minutes later, I heard from Ishtar, who has been stranded without internet and with lots of work for the last five months and I felt so relieved. I don't want to imagine losing any of you anytime soon. :group:

Jack's mom will totally LOVE Claire, I know that for certain.

Especially if as a result of her traumatic experiences following the rescue and Charlie's death, she returns to her Goth days and opens a tattoo parlor with her Oceanic payoff. Her brother can be her first client.

Seriously, though... For some reason, I think Margo knows about Claire's existence. Am I crazy?

You forgot to mention "wiggly". ;)

I could NEVER forget the wiggling. Before I crashed this thread (I never even asked permission to join and I don't think I was an official member for six months), I used to just lurk and thought I didn't have much to add to all the smart talk going on here (I also thought I was the only gutterbrain around and what would the other good girls think... tsk, tsk, tsk... Should have knowng better :3:). But I couldn't stay away because The Sheppardess' butt-wiggling avi was too hypnotic to resist.

So you have her to blame. :p

Papper_Docka

11-13-2007, 06:20 PM

I haven't posted anything for eternity (bad, bad lurking hussy) and I've been brought back by Claudia, to contribute on figuring out the best time for the next group watching (well... you know what I mean ;) ), but it feels kinda inappropriate in the light of a Fuse's member demise... :frown: It's so surreal because the Web reality seems so virtual... God.

On to the topic: I'd love to watch with you! Being stuck in Europe, I vote Saturday night your time -- It'll be Sunday morning in mine, better chance of waking up to function properly than the day before. ;)

suzzzette

11-13-2007, 07:57 PM

But I couldn't stay away because The Sheppardess' butt-wiggling avi was too hypnotic to resist.

There's a butt-wiggling avi out there somewhere? Oh, please, someone tell me that they have it or know where it can be found? :eek2:

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-14-2007, 02:46 AM

There's a butt-wiggling avi out there somewhere? Oh, please, someone tell me that they have it or know where it can be found? :eek2:

Yes, where is this wonder of which everyone speaks? I wish to witness it with my own eyes!

TSTID

Jupiter63

11-14-2007, 03:44 AM

There's a butt-wiggling avi out there somewhere? Oh, please, someone tell me that they have it or know where it can be found? :eek2:
Okay, I'm logging on to third (?) this. Please? Butt wiggling!

Has it been decided which episode we're watching next? I'll add my vote to THP (I'm an in-order kind of girl) but as long as it has lots of Jack I'm really not picky. Promise me Jack and I'm there! :biggrin:

Claudia815

11-14-2007, 10:37 AM

Ah... so good to see we still know our priorities, ladies. I'm watching Collision right now, so said butt wiggling has been on my screen for a while... :3: We'll have more serious thoughts about those episodes, really... :hypocrit: There's a few things I noticed this time and I'm still very confused about others, so perhaps you'll be able to help.

I'd love to watch with you! Being stuck in Europe, I vote Saturday night your time -- It'll be Sunday morning in mine, better chance of waking up to function properly than the day before. ;)

:hug: I talked to Bansh and she's going to be here Saturday night as well.

And yes, we'll rewind The Hunting Party. I'm counting on you "ladies" to keep me from drowning in the gutter (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/huntingpartycap215.jpg)... Oh, dear. I'm beginning to sink already... :thud:

yas_m

11-14-2007, 10:48 AM

Is it just me or are there 4815162342 repetitive posts? :confused:

alright, all better :p

And yes, we'll rewind The Hunting Party. I'm counting on you "ladies" to keep me from drowning in the gutter (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/The%20Hunting%20Party/huntingpartycap215.jpg)... Oh, dear. It started already...

oh (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap016.jpg), yes (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap045.jpg), you (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap048.jpg) can (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap160.jpg) most (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap186.jpg) definitely (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap199.jpg) depend (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap236.jpg) on (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap341.jpg) us (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap363.jpg) to (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap394.jpg) keep (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap430.jpg) this (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap447.jpg) rewind (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap439.jpg) session (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap469.jpg) totally (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap540.jpg) academic (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap747.jpg).

^ consider this my summary of the episode.

Dany_E

11-14-2007, 11:11 AM

Is it just me or are there 4815162342 repetitive posts? :confused:

alright, all better :p

oh (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap016.jpg), yes (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap045.jpg), you (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap048.jpg) can (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap160.jpg) most (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap186.jpg) definitely (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap199.jpg) depend (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap236.jpg) on (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap341.jpg) us (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap363.jpg) to (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap394.jpg) keep (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap430.jpg) this (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap447.jpg) rewind (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap439.jpg) session (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap469.jpg) totally (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap540.jpg) academic (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap747.jpg).

^ consider this my summary of the episode.

Nice summary Yas. Maybe I'm just missing Jack but I think that might be his best looking episode. The photo under "most" cuts my heart into tiny pieces.

Claudia815

11-14-2007, 12:18 PM

oh (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap016.jpg), yes (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap045.jpg)

Oh, YES indeed... :eek2:

Nice summary Yas. Maybe I'm just missing Jack but I think that might be his best looking episode.

No, it's not just you... I guess the wardrobe department figured that just because he was a surgeon, it didn't mean he couldn't be a runway model too.

Here's my Fastforward Rewind.

Because Jack was such a screen hogger and season two was awful due to his overwhelming screen presence, there's a whole bunch of episodes that I was able to fastforward through in one hour just to get to the five minutes he's actually there.

Everybody Hates Hugo: The One Where Hurley Says CLUCK YOU To The Man And Jack And Sayid Go Spelunking.

I didn't use to watch The Office when I first saw this episode, but now I do. I have to say, the opening scene is worthy of the best cold openings for which Jim and Dwight are infamous.

Jack gives Hurley a job. "It's your responsibility, OK?" The look on Hurley's face at the end when Jack agrees with his plan is one of my favorite moments of the whole season. You can tell for all his millions, Hurley isn't used to being treated like an adult.

"Rose... you bad, BAD girl... What about Bernard?"
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Everybody%20Hates%20Hugo/Lost_2x04_EverybodyHatesHugo0363-Ar.jpg)

"I'm married (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/Collision/hussyrose.jpg), but I'm not dead, Jack (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/Collision/mmmmangoes.jpg) :3:"

Awww, look at that. Jack and Sayid go cave exploring. They remind me of my cute, nerdy cousins. Sayid gets the spot of top nerd.

JACK: That's it -- nothing -- it's blocked. So what do you think, Sayid?

SAYID: What do I think about what, Jack?

JACK: This place -- the computer? What do you think is going on?

I think Sayid's the only one whose judgement Jack trusts because he's pretty sure he's not going to start rambling about sacrifices to the Island.

"Don't look, don't look, don't look, don't look (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Everybody%20Hates%20Hugo/Lost_2x04_EverybodyHatesHugo0961-Ar.jpg)... Nevermind (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Everybody%20Hates%20Hugo/hugo-cap416.jpg)"

He's so adorable when he's awkward.

The montage there at the end gives me the gift of goofy Jack (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/Everybody%20Hates%20Hugo/Lost_2x04_EverybodyHatesHugo1406-Ar.jpg), which is not something I get to see that often. Thank you, writers! :ntworthy:

...And Found: The One With A Lot Of Filler. I Don't Know, I Skipped Most Of It.

I'm sorry... what? (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S2/And%20Found/Lost_2x05_AndFound0053-Ar.jpg)

Oh... sorry... I'm easily distracted. As funny as the mental image of Jack taking apart the kitchen sink and frantically destroying the house is, it's also very sad that he was so scared of disappointing Sarah that he would rather buy a new ring. I'm sure all who have flushed a pet down the toilet and bought a new one for the kids understand his reasons and now that I've seen Bridezilla in action, I can't say I'm all that surprised.

But Jack is lying to himself most of all, he's been doing it since before the wedding.

Abandoned: The One With The Roadkill Wig Cameo

I do commend them though for the uber realistic casting in Jack's backstoy.

"Yeah, well... at least mine is fake! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/s2/MOSMOF/science-faith-cap211.jpg) What's your excuse, dad? (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Leiter6.jpg)"

We'll play more fastforward rewind on Friday.

Perdue

11-14-2007, 01:10 PM

Just dropping by to mention that Matt was seen joining the writers on the picket line in LA.

Dany_E

11-14-2007, 03:06 PM

Just dropping by to mention that Matt was seen joining the writers on the picket line in LA.

Thanks for letting us know, Perdue. It's nice to see so many actors and entertainers showing solidarity with the writers. Were any other Losties there? Maybe not, I think they're filming until Nov. 27 according to one of Jorge's posts.

Perdue

11-14-2007, 03:07 PM

No other Losties were named. Just Matt.

lulinha_k

11-14-2007, 05:20 PM

Just dropping by to mention that Matt was seen joining the writers on the picket line in LA.

Owwww... Thanks Perdue! :hug:
Its nice to know that Foxy support the writers... I mean, I think all (or at least most of ) the actors do.
But its nice to hear about him... hee :blush:

shoegirl

11-14-2007, 07:04 PM

Is it just me or are there 4815162342 repetitive posts? :confused:

alright, all better :p

oh (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap016.jpg), yes (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap045.jpg), you (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap048.jpg) can (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap160.jpg) most (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap186.jpg) definitely (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap199.jpg) depend (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap236.jpg) on (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap341.jpg) us (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap363.jpg) to (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap394.jpg) keep (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap430.jpg) this (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap447.jpg) rewind (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap439.jpg) session (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap469.jpg) totally (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap540.jpg) academic (http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/Lost/lostgrabs/sea2/2x11/huntingpartycap747.jpg).

^ consider this my summary of the episode.

Clauds, your shirt rocks, forever. Yas -- thank you thank you thank you for recapping the sitting-up-in-bed-with-that-manly-man-chest piccy. Yummy, delicious, divine. Many other tasty words can describe that pic. :biggrin: :kiss:

After completing day 1 of my two day exam today (urgg), this is a fabulous little eppy recap which is enticing me to join in on the viewing party. Saturday Nigh?What time?Where? Let's see how many Hussies we can get from around the world.

I choose Dr. Delicous.

Shoe

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-14-2007, 07:31 PM

Maybe not, I think they're filming until Nov. 27 according to one of Jorge's posts.

Well, they've also been filming in LA, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps he was multitasking. :biggrin:

I'm not a big supporter of strikes in general, but these guys have a good case. Not sure they'll get what the want, but their demands seem just.

TSTID

Perdue

11-14-2007, 07:37 PM

The cast comes and goes to LA as if it were the next bus stop on the line so seeing someone there means absolutely nothing. Matt has been there many times this fall, but so has Jorge, Josh, Naveen, ME, Evie and probably all the rest of them. I don't think they need to be filming to drop by LA. Of course, Matt is the only one who has been mentioned on the picket line.

Claudia815

11-14-2007, 07:40 PM

Good luck with the rest of your exam, shoegirl! :hug:

Saturday Nigh?

Yes.

What time?

Well... I'm really bad at determining this because I don't have normal sleeping patterns, so staying up/not sleeping at all has never been an issue. I don't want to make it too hard for anyone, but timezones being what they are... We've always done it at midnight EST. If any of you have another suggestion, please let us know.

I'd gladly lounge in bed on Saturday morning so that Lebanese/European/non-Western hemisphere hussies can be comfy as well and not have to stay up too late, but I don't know how many of you are available during the day on weekends. Does that sound like a better idea?

Where?

Right here. We've had lots of fun at our previous rewind parties.

shoegirl

11-14-2007, 08:02 PM

Good luck with the rest of your exam, shoegirl! :hug:

Yes.

Well... I'm really bad at determining this because I don't have normal sleeping patterns, so staying up/not sleeping at all has never been an issue. I don't want to make it too hard for anyone, but timezones being what they are... We've always done it at midnight EST. If any of you have another suggestion, please let us know.

I'd gladly lounge in bed on Saturday morning so that Lebanese/European/non-Western hemisphere hussies can be comfy as well and not have to stay up too late, but I don't know how many of you are available during the day on weekends. Does that sound like a better idea?

Right here. We've had lots of fun at our previous rewind parties.

Thanks for the well wishes on the exam - I need them. Today was probably the easier of the two days too. :eek2:

So, do we like all synchronize our watches and push play on our DVDs or our I-Tunes at the same time? LOL. Or we just generally start watching the eppy around midnight and start commenting in this thread? (I feel a bit like a newbie asking all these questions Hee. I can't say that about too much anymore.)

Matt is cool to go to the picket lines.

Oh yes, I choose Dr. Sexy.

shoe

lulinha_k

11-14-2007, 08:04 PM

Good luck with the rest of your exam, shoegirl! :hug:

Yes.

Well... I'm really bad at determining this because I don't have normal sleeping patterns, so staying up/not sleeping at all has never been an issue. I don't want to make it too hard for anyone, but timezones being what they are... We've always done it at midnight EST. If any of you have another suggestion, please let us know.

I'd gladly lounge in bed on Saturday morning so that Lebanese/European/non-Western hemisphere hussies can be comfy as well and not have to stay up too late, but I don't know how many of you are available during the day on weekends. Does that sound like a better idea?

Right here. We've had lots of fun at our previous rewind parties.

Owwwww Saturday? I will have to miss this one... :crybaby:
I had so much fun reading you guys last time! :thumbup:
Anyway, I will catch up on Sunday then... :redface:

Majandra

11-14-2007, 09:04 PM

Well, they've also been filming in LA, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps he was multitasking. :biggrin:

Nope, no filming in LA. LOST is entirely shot on the island of Hawaii. Season 1 and 2 have been only shot on Oahu, S3 was the first time they left the island to shoot some scenes in Maui.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-14-2007, 11:25 PM

Nope, no filming in LA. LOST is entirely shot on the island of Hawaii. Season 1 and 2 have been only shot on Oahu, S3 was the first time they left the island to shoot some scenes in Maui.

Oh yeah? SURE about that, are ya?

The scene in TTLG between Jack and Sarah was shot in LA. I'm assuming because Julie Bowen was too pregnant to fly to Hawaii.

So...I win! Sort of. <thrusts fist in the air in Boone-like defiance> ;)

TSTID

workingmom

11-14-2007, 11:28 PM

Oh yeah? SURE about that, are ya?

The scene in TTLG between Jack and Sarah was shot in LA. I'm assuming because Julie Bowen was too pregnant to fly to Hawaii.

So...I win! Sort of. <thrusts fist in the air in Boone-like defiance> ;)

TSTID

Yeah, but that bridge he was going to jump off was in Pittsburgh.

TheSacrificeTheIslandDemanded

11-14-2007, 11:41 PM

Yeah, but that bridge he was going to jump off was in Pittsburgh.

Slowly, I turn...

I have it on good authority that the "temple" scene in "The Brig" was shot in line at the Indiana Jones andd the Temple of the Forbidden Eye ride at Disneyland. I can't be sure, but the temple structures do look similar. So, there's another SoCal location. Jeez, they might as well film the whole thing here!

TSTID

shoegirl

11-14-2007, 11:41 PM

Yeah, but that bridge he was going to jump off was in Pittsburgh.

Foxy on Leno right before TTLG aired said he had filmed the night before in LA....
Now which scenes (I'd definitely guess the Julie Bowen scene), were there any other "iconic" LA locations that Jack showed up in.... Oh dear, am I going to have to watch Jack more, or again, and again. YES!

:kiss:

I Choose Jack!

shoe

Perdue

11-14-2007, 11:48 PM

I thought the airport was shot in LA, but Evie said it was in Honolulu and LAX was CG added.

Claudia815

11-15-2007, 12:21 AM

Yeah, but that bridge he was going to jump off was in Pittsburgh.

:roflmao: I love you. But you knew that already. :danielle:

Owwwww Saturday? I will have to miss this one... :crybaby:
I had so much fun reading you guys last time! :thumbup:
Anyway, I will catch up on Sunday then... :redface:

I'm sorry you won't be here live, but there'll be plenty of fun to be had during the weekend too.

I was talking to another Jack fan and I read her thoughts on the mobisode. I haven't really rambled about it so you lucky things... here's my defense of it. I understand it's confusing in some way, because that's who Christian is and at first, I thought he was telling Jack to NOT marry Sarah in their scene by the pool. I love what they did with it though.

I just try to keep in mind that Christian is the worst advice giver ever! Or maybe I'm just stupid cause they confirmed my suspicions about Christian's own daddy issues.:biggrin:

I don't see any inconsistencies because I don't think Christian told Jack not to marry Sarah the night before. Christian always loved Jack. He SUCKS at the show and tell, but that's the great tragedy of their relationship. There was never a time when Jack needed him more. There's also that deleted scene from DNH (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KoSwqFpvQqM) where Jack is frantically calling Christian's cellphone, desperate he won't show up. He needs somebody to rescue him from that wedding, he needs his own hero, even if he won't emote about it in front of a roomfull of people. He needs his father. "Are you trying to tell me something, dad?"

Not only that, but chronologically, this happens at the same time/very close to Christian's first attempt to reconnect with Claire. Christian at that time was obviously on the wagon and into Good Daddy mode. Or at least he tried. When Jack confessed to him that he's scared and afraid he's doing this for the wrong reasons, Christian tried to give him the one thing he kept denying him as a child: confidence in his choices. That's the Good Daddy side of Christian. What's underneath that, IMO, is that he has NO clue how to be a father, so he thinks "Um... positive reinforcement? He's... very committed... yeah. Let's go with that. The kid just needs a stiff drink and a shot of confidence. Don't worry, Jack, you don't lack the will to commit to Sarah, au contraire, you're not good at letting go. At all." So I think the scene by the pool was played ambiguously, but then again, this is Christian. And he liked Sarah. Maybe a little too much.

This having NO clue how to be a good father is also very consistent here. He's basically giving him the watch saying: "Uh... So your grandpa hated your mom and I hated him. Here's a family heirloom." But he meant well. And Jack is SO relieved and SO grateful. I loved that. Even though it was his final push towards a disaster named Bridezilla. "It's MY party, Pookie!" :lol2: She's oh so very consistent.