Welcome to the LOST Rewind for episode 1x22, "Born to Run"

*This episode solidifies Kate as a "runner." But is she running from something, to something or running just to run? How do the answers to these questions evolve depending of which Kate-centric episode we've seen?

*It's one of JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof's oft-told stories: that people still come up to them asking what Kate's Plane means. In Exodus, the marshall says this,

This belonged to her childhood sweetheart who she got killed a couple of years ago when she was on the run. Poor guy -- a wife, a 2 year old kid. What was his name? Hmm? Well, somewhere along the way during the 3 years I was chasing her, she's starts calling me, at my house, and whining on about her mitigating circumstances. But what she's really doing is taunting me. So, I tell her that I've got whats-him-name's little toy airplane in a safe deposit box in New Mexico. So, she somehow figures out which bank, which safe deposit box. She seduces some idiot to rob the damn bank, and then she puts a bullet in her new friend because she's done using him. But she leaves all the money. She just takes the plane because that's the one thing in the whole world that Kate does care about. She has no attachments, and I think she's telling herself she needs it to atone for killing her boyfriend, whats-his-name. God, Kate, c'mon what was his name?

So... what does the toy plane mean? Is the marshall right?

*Kate pulls off her own long con in a sense, planting the idea of poisoning Jin in Sun's mind. Despite the Losties being the closest they've ever been to each other, Kate manages to still bring out the worst in them and play their suspicions of each other against each for her own advantage. Is this another example of Kate speaking Sawyer's "language" as she put it in "Outlaws"?

*As the flashback reveals, Kate loved a doctor, too. Does whatever she may feel for Jack also be affected by risidual feelings for Tom?

*Previous episodes have established Kate can drug someone when she wants to. At the same time, we've been led to believe Sun's well versed in herbal remedies as well, setting up the reveal at the end.

*In one of the more interesting easter eggs in LOST's history, the MRI (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:MRI.jpg) sign actually says, "Magnetic Resonance Imagining" instead of "imaging". Is this a spelling error, a red herring, or a hint that some element of the show is imaginary?

*In episode 3x15, "Left Behind" Kate's mother tells Kate, "Because you are my daughter, I'm not going to tell the two men sitting at the table who've been following me for the last month that you are here. But I swear to God, Katie, if I ever see you again, the first thing I will do is yell for help. Goodbye." And in this episode she does just that.

*Some excellent points from Lostpedia:

•Off the Island, Kate persuades Tom to get an MRI scan for her mother (so that she can see her one last time), which leads to Tom being killed. On the Island, she tries to convince Michael to give her Sawyer's spot on the raft, which, indirectly, leads to his poisoning, and to Kate's shame as the whole camp discovers her status as a fugitive.
•In the past, Kate lost both her mother (who had disowned her previously) and Tom, who did nothing but help and was killed; on the Island, Kate's sense of being isolated/alone/not trusted by the group skyrocketed when Sawyer revealed her true status to everyone.

Thanks for getting this Rewind up, Crimson.

This was (along with Tabula Rasa) the best of Kate's FBs. Nothing in S2 or S3 comes remotely close to it.

For now, just this:
*As the flashback reveals, Kate loved a doctor, too. Does whatever she may feel for Jack also be affected by residual feelings for Tom?
I have always wondered about/suspected this! Anyone else?

An interesting point to me in this episode was something Charlie told Claire. They were talking about the raft, and Charlie reassured Claire that (roughly paraphrased) "the helicopters will come to rescue us." I think I've always found that line a little weird (my first thought would be for a ship to rescue them), but after last season it makes me think a bit differently about it.

Great epi..also the letter Kate read...do we know who that was from?
I've been thinking it's from Cassidy after watching season 3...is that possible?

I thought this was one of the better LOST episodes. A lot of what Kate has gone through in her past is reflected in her relationships on the island.

The fact that Kate loved Tom who was a doctor and that she did whatever she had to do to get the toy plane (the last thing she could get to remind her of Tom), and she risked a lot to get it - is also reminiscent of her and Jack's relationship. Her going back for Jack instead of continuing to run. Even though Kate's first instinct in every situation is to run, when it comes to someone she really truly cares about, she puts everything else behind her and does what needs to be done for that one person.

I did feel for her when it came to her mother. Even though her mother turned her in and caused her this life on the run, she still went back and risked her life, to see her mother one more time. I felt so sad for her then. I really hated the fact that Sawyer outed her in front of everyone, but I can't go into that here. This eppy. showed that Kate can and will do whatever she has to do to survive, but when it comes down to the very few people that she has really and truly cared about in her whole life, she will risk it all to see or save that person.

There is so much more to this eppy. that is so good. It's one of my fav's. And let's not forget the music. The music in this eppy. (as well as just about all the eppys.) is so good. The music can really effect the scenes and the ending music is always really powerful.

Just a great eppy. :)

Doc

"Born To Run" Time Stamp

"Born To Run" takes place in one day, Wednesday, November 3, 2004.

It is Day 43 on the Island.

P. S. This is the first time we meet Arzt.

Ditto Save The Humans, Crimson, Thank You. :)

When Kate kissed Jack in Season 2 – something seemed wrong to me, it looked to me like something seemed wrong to her. I have some idea why now; when she kissed Jack, did she maybe: realise she wanted Tom, get then that Jack wasn’t Tom or wasn’t going to fit with her, have it come crashing back to her then what happened so soon after she kissed Tom?
She may have bought into the ‘I’m a curse’ idea that Hurley and Locke have expressed.

The Plane! The Plane! I don’t suppose pragmatic Katy would say so but, is the plane something she carries like a talisman or amulet; imbued in some way with Tom’s essence (reason goes out the window where feelings are concerned) and a link with the optimism of the past, or a fetish, representing the promise of the future they once planned together? (I may get all quantum over the possibilities if I go on thought so :lipsseal: )

It’s worth noting I think that the recovery of this object would appear to have done nothing to alleviate her loss – her inability to choose between Jack and Sawyer might be an example – she’s still lost between an irrecoverable past and an unattainable future; trapped in an unsatisfactory Now she runs… but even where she's several steps ahead of the law, she can’t escape her guilt. She carries that baggage with her

(On the subject of baggage; that’s a good clear look we get of her rucksack in the back of the car. Look’s like John’s I think *must check this out* - I’m excited too to learn with whom she may have built herself a life in the flashforward *squeal* but I’m getting ahead of myself…)

So many lives risked for an object. Worthless beyond what Kate sees. To her of course it’s invaluable. Missing one of its props though I see; anyone see when that happened?

That speech by the Marshall raises so may questions in my mind: what are the mysterious ‘mitigating circumstances’, was he under some compulsion in pursuing her, did he have a ‘sting’ operation in mind when he told her about his possessing the plane – or did he mean to hurt her …why? And; how did Kate come by the information she needed to locate it? did he leak it or tell her himself, hoping to bait her into a face-to-face meeting?

I’ll definitely get all quantum if I attempt to unravel the meaning of the MRI – so I’ll just say: WOAH! :biggrin: I love this show (and add a nod to the red on the sign and Kate’s hair dye – ‘liars red’ could be this seasons hot new shade ;) ).

Really interesting thoughts on Kate, Liplocked. I always wondered why Kate kissed Jack and then look so horrified and later apologized for it. Tying that to her kiss with Tom, by which she may feel she sealed his fate to die for her sins, is intriguing. I think there is also something about her feeling like she doesn't deserve these good guys, which is why she went for Sawyer, someone she feels like she can't hurt. When she's in Tom's kitchen, looking at the pictures of his wife and baby, you see her cringing with regret for a life she gave up. Because of her past, Kate doesn't think of herself as the kind of girl that can end up with the nice guy, being happy and settled. It's a part of Kate that I really understand personally. It's also why she takes so much crap from Jack, when she really doesn't seem like the kind of person who takes much crap from anyone. When you take crap from someone, it's because you think you deserve it. If she is seeing Jack, in a way, as Tom, it makes sense why she would think he was right to treat her so badly.
and "born to dance", I'm sure that Cassidy is the one who sent Kate the letter and money. Who else would do this for her and also know about her mother in the first place? I wish I could read more than just the end word on each line of the letter, but it's definitely a woman's handwriting.
and "light me dark", i also noticed how eerie it was when Charlie talked about the helicopters coming to get them. I think he said that to Kate, however, not Claire.
100%
okay, the mysterious letter was bothering me. i paused and then zoomed in on every frame and here's what i got (i'm pretty sure all of it is correct):
Note: when i can count words, i indicated an xx for each word i could not decipher. When I can't tell how many words there are because it's too blurry or the edge of the letter was cut off, you get xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

xxxxxxxxxxxxx
xx xx xx xx xx tell you that xx xx
xx xx xx. xx xx xx xx since my last xxxxx
xx xx unresponsive to the chemo and the doctors
xx xx there's nothing else they can do. She's still as
xx as ever and refuses to stay at the hospital
but I can see she's growing weaker and fear that
xx xx there may be no other choice.
I can only imagine how hard all of this may be
for you. I wish more than anything that things
were different. I don't know when this letter
will reach you but I am hoping it's soon
because she may not have much time left.
I'm so sorry Katherine. You will be xxxxxxxxx
and prayers. Love, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Okay, so now I'm not so sure this is from Cassidy. I still believe it's a woman's handwriting, and of course Cassidy knows Kate's real name, but does anyone remember whether Kate told Cassidy her name was Kate or Katherine? As far as I remember her mom is the only person that has called her Katherine on this show.

Over in "Juice The Theory" we have speculated about the letter for a long time. I think it may be from Cassidy also but her Mom is the only one we hear call Kate, Katherine. There is also an older child in one of the pictures on Tom's refrigerator, we wondered if he might be Kate's.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=37933&fullsize=1

*It's one of JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof's oft-told stories: that people still come up to them asking what Kate's Plane means.

They also keep theorizing about what she did even though the writers keep swearing up and down that she DID kill Wayne in cold blood and furthermore, has no remorse for it. They wrote an entire flashback (LB) to confirm this and flash great big neon signs that "See? We REALLY mean it!" I guess that should tell them something about the backstory...


*Previous episodes have established Kate can drug someone when she wants to. At the same time, we've been led to believe Sun's well versed in herbal remedies as well, setting up the reveal at the end.


Yes, the red herring about Sun's gardening skills was very effective.

*In one of the more interesting easter eggs in LOST's history, the MRI (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:MRI.jpg) sign actually says, "Magnetic Resonance Imagining" instead of "imaging". Is this a spelling error, a red herring, or a hint that some element of the show is imaginary?

I don't put it past them to toy with their audience like that (we are asking for it :biggrin: ), but they also misspelled "your", which appeared as "you're" in subtitles for Sun's flashback in season two. You lose at spelling, Lost!

It's also why she takes so much crap from Jack, when she really doesn't seem like the kind of person who takes much crap from anyone. When you take crap from someone, it's because you think you deserve it. If she is seeing Jack, in a way, as Tom, it makes sense why she would think he was right to treat her so badly.

You know... it's not that I don't understand that the writers manage to make us forget just how much crap SHE pulls all the time, because trust me... I felt like an idiot at the end of this episode when I first watched it. I was seriously mad at Jack for telling poor Katiekins he has no idea what she's capable of and omg, look at that cute freckled face and how huwwt the poor baby doll is! That big meanie doctor! I'm serious, I was pissed at him (which... it takes a lot from me). But after everything we've seen so far, the complete Kate victimization still boggles the mind. Jack yells at her? Well, gosh golly... how DARES he after she manipulates him, lies to him, uses him to dig up the body of the man he buried after having to kill him with his own hands, all for a piece of plastic. It may mean a lot to her, but I'm sure that's little comfort for the people whose lives she risked during that bank heist or for Jack.

In BTR, she poisons a father who wants to get his child off the island of doom. Sure, nobody wants to end up in jail (she'd probably get a couple of life sentences), but since she did commit premeditated murder to basically make her feel better about herself... tough luck. How did she end up being the victim here again?

Speak Sawyer's language? Sawyer is at least honest about himself WITH himself. He lies when it saves his behind (such as when she asked him if he was the one who hurt Sun in TLC), but he knows what he's made of and suffers for it. Kate goes around throwing herself a constant pity party (to quote a friend) after she kills people, destroys their lives (I should have felt sorry for baby Connor in this episode, not Kate) and their livelihoods. And I'm supposed to feel oh so sorry for her because Jack yells at her after SHE treats him like crap and/or goes behind his back at every turn? She treats Sawyer much in the same way (worse actually) most of the time.

Blah. Enough Kate ranting. I need to give the girl her due, she came a long way since then in terms of sabotaging other people's rescue. She has just as strong of a reason to stay on the island as Locke has, but she never once tried to sacrifice everyone else's freedom for her own and genrally did everything in her power to help after earlier she risked her life to get Jack back. But a victim she is not.

The sound is horrible, which is why it was cut, but there's another deleted scene with Jack and Kate by the waterfall in the caves where she asks how she knows she didn't burn the raft and he says he just knows, trusting her unconditionally.

I still believe it's a woman's handwriting, and of course Cassidy knows Kate's real name, but does anyone remember whether Kate told Cassidy her name was Kate or Katherine? As far as I remember her mom is the only person that has called her Katherine on this show.

I doubt that Cassidy would call her Katherine. It's too intimate. Sgt.Austen calls her Katie, right? But the handwriting is too feminine.

It's interesting to look at Charlie's imagined view of the rescue in this episode... He sees helicopters, photographers fame and fortune in their future. Jack is lying about the rescue in his, but I think he's lying about the island and the events that took place there. Since he's back at St.Sebastian, people DO know there were survivors of flight 815 and I'd imagine that caused quite a stirr.

*This episode solidifies Kate as a "runner." But is she running from something, to something or running just to run? How do the answers to these questions evolve depending of which Kate-centric episode we've seen? In the "time capsule" tape that Kate and Tom dug up, young Kate also talked about getting out of there as soon as she could. She would have been running from her bad situation at home, of course. In her flashbacks she's running from the law, but we've been shown time and time again that she also runs from intimacy, runs from having to face her problems.


*As the flashback reveals, Kate loved a doctor, too. Does whatever she may feel for Jack also be affected by risidual feelings for Tom?
There actually isn't much similarity between Tom and Jack outside of both being doctors. (Flashback wishlist: Tom as an intern to Jack at Seattle Grace. :biggrin: )

Tom seemed to lack a moral spine, which Jack has plenty of. Tom knew about the abuse at Kate's home and as an adult did nothing about it. As a health professional, he was in a position to work for an intervention or at least to urge Kate and Diane to do something (short of blowing him up, that is). It's a sad truth that when the abused spouse doesn't want to press charges law enforcement is hamstrung, but as a friend I think he fell short.
But as someone mentioned, Kate seems to think she brings misfortune upon those she loves, cemented by this flashback story, and Jack also being a doctor brings a certain jinx on him in her mind if she gets too close.


*In one of the more interesting easter eggs in LOST's history, the MRI (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:MRI.jpg) sign actually says, "Magnetic Resonance Imagining" instead of "imaging". Is this a spelling error, a red herring, or a hint that some element of the show is imaginary?
Probably a prop error. They also made a spelling mistake in FBYE with a military recruiting poster, right? They used an American spelling for a poster supposed to be in Britain?

*In episode 3x15, "Left Behind" Kate's mother tells Kate, "Because you are my daughter, I'm not going to tell the two men sitting at the table who've been following me for the last month that you are here. But I swear to God, Katie, if I ever see you again, the first thing I will do is yell for help. Goodbye." And in this episode she does just that.

*Some excellent points from Lostpedia:
•In the past, Kate lost both her mother (who had disowned her previously) and Tom, who did nothing but help and was killed; on the Island, Kate's sense of being isolated/alone/not trusted by the group skyrocketed when Sawyer revealed her true status to everyone.
It's really heartbreaking that Diane was so unwavering in her condemnation and rejection of Kate; not even on her deathbed could she bring herself to allow an ounce of reconciliation with her daughter. I can't imagine the effect that kind of rejection by your mother can have; but we see the effects in Kate's fear of forming attachments with men.
Luckily the group of Losties had a short memory; after the rather exaggerated silent shunning and walking away they performed after Sawyer ratted her out, they seemed to accept her back as a group member next episode without any follow-up. Same thing happened with Sawyer after The Long Con. He's out tree frog hunting with Hurley next day. I think that's rather lazy writing to not show the friendly fallout. For example, Sayid's and Sawyer's reconciliation after the torture session was pretty well done, step by step. Sayid tosses him an apple in an episode-ending montage, goes off in Solitary to repent, and they have a very interesting conversation/confrontation when Sayid returns as Sawyer chooses not to take retribution on the injured Sayid.

You know... it's not that I don't understand that the writers manage to make us forget just how much crap SHE pulls all the time, because trust me... I felt like an idiot at the end of this episode when I first watched it. I was seriously mad at Jack for telling poor Katiekins he has no idea what she's capable of and omg, look at that cute freckled face and how huwwt the poor baby doll is! That big meanie doctor! I'm serious, I was pissed at him (which... it takes a lot from me). But after everything we've seen so far, the complete Kate victimization still boggles the mind. Jack yells at her? Well, gosh golly... how DARES he after she manipulates him, lies to him, uses him to dig up the body of the man he buried after having to kill him with his own hands, all for a piece of plastic. It may mean a lot to her, but I'm sure that's little comfort for the people whose lives she risked during that bank heist or for Jack.

In BTR, she poisons a father who wants to get his child off the island of doom. Sure, nobody wants to end up in jail (she'd probably get a couple of life sentences), but since she did commit premeditated murder to basically make her feel better about herself... tough luck. How did she end up being the victim here again?

Speak Sawyer's language? Sawyer is at least honest about himself WITH himself. He lies when it saves his behind (such as when she asked him if he was the one who hurt Sun in TLC), but he knows what he's made of and suffers for it. Kate goes around throwing herself a constant pity party (to quote a friend) after she kills people, destroys their lives (I should have felt sorry for baby Connor in this episode, not Kate) and their livelihoods. And I'm supposed to feel oh so sorry for her because Jack yells at her after SHE treats him like crap and/or goes behind his back at every turn? She treats Sawyer much in the same way (worse actually) most of the time.



Claudia -

I'm so glad I saw your post before I responded to the comment about Kate taking crap from Jack! Thank you for so eloquently saying exactly what I was thinking after I read that! How can people forget all the things that Kate has done that haven't exactly been "sweet and innocent?" Kate plays the victim much the same as Sawyer does, which is why they are drawn to each other. I think, in this particular instance, Jack was justified in reeming her out - and in a couple of other instances too!!

Take Care,

Doc

How can people forget all the things that Kate has done that haven't exactly been "sweet and innocent?" Kate plays the victim much the same as Sawyer does, which is why they are drawn to each other. I think, in this particular instance, Jack was justified in reeming her out - and in a couple of other instances too!!

Well, he didn't really do much, just told her he's not sure what she's capable of, which is an accurate assesment. I don't agree with you about Sawyer, I think if anything, he invites abuse and hates pity and like I said, at least he's honest with himself, but this really isn't the place for it so I'm not going to get any more off topic.

It's really heartbreaking that Diane was so unwavering in her condemnation and rejection of Kate; not even on her deathbed could she bring herself to allow an ounce of reconciliation with her daughter. I can't imagine the effect that kind of rejection by your mother can have; but we see the effects in Kate's fear of forming attachments with men.

Diane is despicable for putting her abusive, jerk of a husband above her child, especially given that she took her away from a good man who loved Kate like a daughter even if she wasn't his.

Luckily the group of Losties had a short memory; after the rather exaggerated silent shunning and walking away they performed after Sawyer ratted her out, they seemed to accept her back as a group member next episode without any follow-up. Same thing happened with Sawyer after The Long Con. He's out tree frog hunting with Hurley next day. I think that's rather lazy writing to not show the friendly fallout.

The shunning has always made me roll my eyes.:rolleyes: We have Shannon, conwoman extraordinaire and Charlie, bloody ex-druggie rock god, giving her disdainful looks and walking away. They have no idea what she did (at least Jack knows she killed someone), but they do know that over the last month this woman has always put herself out there, going on dangerous missions, delivered Claire's baby and climbed trees to get them food. Like I said... :rolleyes:

In "Juice" we also speculated that Diane wasn't Kate's real mom. When Kate sees Tom she refers to her as "Diane" and not "my mom".

I know later on, when she sees Diane, she calls her mom. Maybe Kate doesn't want Diane to know, she knows or that she's just used to calling her that.

There is a resemblance between Kate, Danielle and Alex but Danielle doesn't seem to be old enough to be Kate's mom.

The baseball in the back seat, has an adult signature on it that looks like "John Locke". http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=38283&fullsize=1

It was mentioned in the original threads for this episode, but it bears repeating: nice homage to Hitchcock's Psycho in the opening scene flashback: the blonde rummaging in the car trunk, the drive-up motel, the shower head, and russet-colored dye (i.e. blood) washing down the drain, and of course the music.

Man, don't you love the way these guys get to play. All their favorite things they can weave into this show.

*Kate pulls off her own long con in a sense, planting the idea of poisoning Jin in Sun's mind. Despite the Losties being the closest they've ever been to each other, Kate manages to still bring out the worst in them and play their suspicions of each other against each for her own advantage. Is this another example of Kate speaking Sawyer's "language" as she put it in "Outlaws"?



To me, this episodes points out just how different things are on the Island as compared to off the Island. On Island, Kate is free...if she has a need to run, it's all in her head. No one's chasing her. She understands that all of this will change if Michael secures rescue, and she's not willing to risk it.

I still don't understand Kate, though. She shouldn't want to be rescued, but she seems to pitch in to help everyone in the rescue attempts. She should be like Locke...sabotaging any attempts to get off the Island. But she doesn't. Does she have that much faith in her ability to keep from getting caught?

Good point, lostinlaf. I've often wondered why Kate doesn't want to stay on the island, given her grim prospects at home as a lifelong fugitive (or worse, prisoner). Is she that confident she can outrun the law again once they are rescued (because I think the castaways would protect her at this point), or is she trying to redeem herself for past sins by sacrificing her needs for those of others?
Maybe she's just tired of the humidity, and figures a life on the run is preferrable to the prospect of one bad hair day after another.

Good point, lostinlaf. I've often wondered why Kate doesn't want to stay on the island, given her grim prospects at home as a lifelong fugitive (or worse, prisoner). Is she that confident she can outrun the law again once they are rescued (because I think the castaways would protect her at this point), or is she trying to redeem herself for past sins by sacrificing her needs for those of others?
Maybe she's just tired of the humidity, and figures a life on the run is preferrable to the prospect of one bad hair day after another.

Well is a life on the island really preferable to a life in prison (or a life on the run)? Most of us would say "yes," but that's because we don't get the whole island experience just from watching it. Sure, parts of it seem great. The scenery is beautiful, the people are beautiful, you don't have to abide by normal laws and social interactions, there's a high degree of comraderie, and you get to rough it (for those of you who enjoy camping).

But what about... the wild animals, the deadly Others, the lack of decent food, the unpredictable weather, having to survive without all the comforts of home, not being able to see your family, etc.? Personally, yeah, I'm constantly thinking "Ooh I want to live there!" while I watch the show, but there's no way of knowing how I would feel if i were really in that situation, you know?

I'll admit that life on the island is much worse than we imagine watching it. I know it's very uncomfortable, wet, sandy . . . not to mention the fact that everyone there must smell pretty bad and surely have serious sanitation issues.
For me, all of that is still preferrable to a life in prison. Prison must be the worst case scenario for a person like Kate who has resisted being tied down her whole life. I think prison would be a death sentence for her spiritually, and this is why she has struggled so hard to avoid it.
Then again, may view the island as another type of prison. She's trapped there, unable to run away her mistakes, intimacy, responsibilities, emotional pain, etc. This may be why she's so focused on getting rescued even though there is a good chance that the rescuers could arrive ready to arrest her.
Fear of death also has to be a great motivator to get off the island, and I'm sure this effects Kate as much as the other castaways. They've lost quite a few people so far and they face a lot of very real and scary hazards as you pointed out Kellie (the others, polar bears, etc.).

I get where you're coming from as far as prison being the worst case scenario for Kate, but I think part of the problem with the island is that she has even less control over her own life there. She's continuously bossed around, or captured, or in danger, etc, whereas in the "real" world she is able to choose exactly where she wants to run to, and when.

I think that's part of her attraction to Sawyer, because he's obviously okay with letting her dominate him (sexually at least), and she loves being able to have some semblance of control in that area since she can't get it anywhere else, least of all when it comes to Jack.

I think that's part of her attraction to Sawyer, because he's obviously okay with letting her dominate him (sexually at least), and she loves being able to have some semblance of control in that area since she can't get it anywhere else, least of all when it comes to Jack.

Great observation. She's quite the control freak. Another thing we have in common.

Charlie talks about helicopters rescuing them. Hum....wouldn't a ship be more expected or a plane?

The numbers on Kate's plane have now moved to the underside of the wing.

@32.20 Kate's jacket has changes to purple from green it is the same jacket - a trick of the lighting.

The Magnetic Resonance Imagining sign.

The tape in the time capsule is dated 8/15/1989 by Kate and Tom vocally. Here is an exact date and time where Kate would know exactly what she was doing if she needed to go somewhere in time.

Touch - Locke touches Walt and Walt receives something - some warning or vision, saying don't open it (the hatch.)

Why does Kate call her mom 'Dianne' when she's talking to Tom?

From the time capsule tape...

KATE: As soon as I get my license we should just get in a car and drive. You know, run away.

TOM: You always want to run away, Katie.

KATE: Yeah, and you know why.So...why?

The look on Walt's face when Locke touched his arm was a look of fear. Did Walt sense that John was being used by the MiB? Why else would he tell him not to open the hatch?

The 'Magnetic Resonance Imagining sign', along with Tom's plea to Kate in the car, "You can have a real life", makes me wonder about the possibility of alternate realities.

I've wondered about all of those things too.

*In one of the more interesting easter eggs in LOST's history, the MRI (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:MRI.jpg) sign actually says, "Magnetic Resonance Imagining" instead of "imaging". Is this a spelling error, a red herring, or a hint that some element of the show is imaginary?


This is excellent Crimson! ^^^^ As many times as I've watched it I never picked up on that. Also...I think the title of the episode itself, isn't just a cute play on a Springsteen song. I think there is much, much more to her background that we have yet to see (island ties). Literally...Born to Run...and it wouldn't surprise me one or both parents was involved in that exactly.

Bicklefitch wrote:
So...why?

The look on Walt's face when Locke touched his arm was a look of fear. Did Walt sense that John was being used by the MiB? Why else would he tell him not to open the hatch?

The 'Magnetic Resonance Imagining sign', along with Tom's plea to Kate in the car, "You can have a real life", makes me wonder about the possibility of alternate realities.



Hey Bickle :) I'm glad you brought that up...it might add serious weight to what Devera and Hildy were discussing on the other thread. You know we haven't seen the last of Room 23, for sure!
Who else would do this for her and also know about her mother in the first place? I wish I could read more than just the end word on each line of the letter, but it's definitely a woman's handwriting.
and "light me dark", i also noticed how eerie it was when Charlie talked about the .

xxxxxxxxxxxxx
xx xx xx xx xx tell you that xx xx
xx xx xx. xx xx xx xx since my last xxxxx
xx xx unresponsive to the chemo and the doctors
xx xx there's nothing else they can do. She's still as
xx as ever and refuses to stay at the hospital
but I can see she's growing weaker and fear that
xx xx there may be no other choice.
I can only imagine how hard all of this may be
for you. I wish more than anything that things
were different. I don't know when this letter
will reach you but I am hoping it's soon
because she may not have much time left.
I'm so sorry Katherine. You will be xxxxxxxxx
and prayers. Love, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Okay, so now I'm not so sure this is from Cassidy. I still believe it's a woman's handwriting, and of course Cassidy knows Kate's real name, but does anyone remember whether Kate told Cassidy her name was Kate or Katherine? As far as I remember her mom is the only person that has called her Katherine on this show.


If my theory about Wayne being the connecting factor between Kate and Juliet is true. Then I'm going to go out on a limb and say...How about the one person we haven't considered in awhile? The one person that would know all-too-well about Chemo treatments...and is indeed a woman. With Juliet already on the island, most likely not having any idea. Consider too the fact that Kate was headed directly to FL following the murder. She deliberately got married in FL....Ever wonder why?

I think the letter is from none other than Rachel.

Remember, all we've seen of her thus far have been happy scenes with her sister...during her treatments, even the departure to Mittelos, even afterwards on the videotape feed as Juliet watched. The one time we saw her differently? When she was giving her Father a look to kill...very similar to another freckled face brunette we know. ;)

Shades of 'Strangers on a Train' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangers_on_a_Train_(film)).

i think the biggest question from this episode is why was Walt so freaked out by the possibility of Locke opening up the hatch. when Locke touches Walt's arm, Walt freaks out and says not to open up "that thing". he's obviously so freaked out by what he "sees" that it changes his mind about not wanting to leave the island. so what did Walt see about the hatch? nothing horrible ever happened in or due to the hatch once it was opened...

--billy

nothing horrible ever happened in or due to the hatch once it was opened...

The computer was in the hatch. You know the computer where those poor men had to enter numbers every 108 minutes or something terrible would happen. Something like a plane full of people crashing on the island..........and you know the rest. Yep, I'd say that's pretty horrible and it all started at the hatch!

The computer was in the hatch. You know the computer where those poor men had to enter numbers every 108 minutes or something terrible would happen. Something like a plane full of people crashing on the island..........and you know the rest. Yep, I'd say that's pretty horrible and it all started at the hatch!

except that the plane had already crashed when they opened the hatch. my point is that the act of opening the hatch, which is what walt was freaked out about, didn't really ever result in anything worthy of the level of walt's freak-out. did he foresee michael shooting ana-lucia and libby? that wasn't hatch-specific (i.e. it could/would have happened at the caves or on the beach). did he foresee locke's legs getting crushed? desmond's drinking binge on the sailboat? neither of those should've freaked walt out so much... did he foresee the purple flash? what was so bad about that? in fact, had they NOT opened the hatch, michael never would have had the computer as an aid to finding walt...

in fact, had they NOT opened the hatch, michael never would have had the computer as an aid to finding walt


wetsprocket, I see everything that you are saying, but i quoted your last sentence because I always had the sinking feeling that it was not Walt that communicated with him on the computer. I would say that someone else did so to lure Michael to be trapped, kidnapped and blackmailed into bringing back the list, gather the folks to then, trap, kidnap and blackmail them. So, maybe that is what Walt saw.

I'm not saying that a father wouldn't take any crumb to find his son, whether it was Walt or someone else to get him to him, but it would be safe to say that Michael's judgement in not involving Jack, Sawyer or Sayid to help him out was what made everything fall apart.

The hatch was just bad place all around!

recalling that scene, it seems to have a sort of Pandora's Box feeling. This whole chain of events starts because Locke blows open the hatch... The purple sky, coms being down, Locke's quest to destroy every other means to leave the island, Jack contacting the freighter (which arguably might have happened no matter what....) moving the island, time travel.... Maybe Walt is saying that there is a cleaner way to give the island what it wants, to play Jacob and MIB's game. Just a thought. I really want that scene to make sense.

Or maybe Walt was just sensing the bad juju of the hatch, sticky Razdinsky brain bits on the ceiling and such.

Kate has a what would benefit me attitude IMO. That's it-just her. The hatch on the other hand, was trouble from the time they opened the door to find Desmond, to the numbers,two murders and not to mention John blowing it up! I cansee why Walt was scared of it and tried to warn Locke, Back to Kate,she has done many brave and selfless things as well as the bad so she isn't all bad. I feel incredibley sad for her about the way her Mother chose an abosive lifesstyle and drug Kate along.