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Lucidity

01-27-2009, 03:07 PM

BeLu >
So at church yesterday, there was a candle in a blue holder on the altar, and of course I immediately thought about Lost (very holy, I know). It was the feast of the conversion of St. Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul), and as near as I can tell, the blue candle was to represent the light from heaven that accompanied Paul's conversion experience on the road to Damascus (see Acts chapter 9 for details). Thought you all might appreciate Lost popping up all over the place!

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul)It took me a few minutes there to realise you were talking about seeing the candle in real life. I'm thinking, what altar? But yeah, it's funny how Lost filters into real life - there's a Darma building going up next door to me, but unfortunately they've written it Darma. Another funny one is the game Grang Theft Auto. I don't drive, know nothing about cars, and have no interest in them in real life, but playing the game you soon learn which are faster and which handle better, and above all you have fun blowing them up, and when I'm walking down the street and I see a car just like one from the game I can't help thinking "Ha, I wish I had a grenade on me!" :blush:

Lost Ed >
I've been studying the Beechcraft px/comparison. I think I might let that go as production problems this time around...or...not.

As Sam has already added, though production issue seems the most sensible explanation, the occurrence of other similar issues in things that would be much easier to control seems to suggest it's deliberate.

Don't forget, everyone, to check out the page for Because You Left (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Because%20You%20Left.htm). There are a couple of cool things there.

Lost Ed

01-27-2009, 03:46 PM

Sam & Lucid,
Based on your posts I get the feeling that you think I am a Time Differences Denier :) I am not. I subscribed long ago to the "ripples" in time...different, but the same. Not production errors.

Only with the plane...that would be hard to duplicate. But, knowing in advance that it would come back into play, one would trhink that these elequintly talented writers would have captured multiple shots of anything that they know would come back in future episodes. Such as the Beechcraft. If they didn't WANT differences, they could easily have shot multiple scenes when it was originally used. Apparently, they didn't. Ergo, must be a reason for these slight changes.

lostmommyof3

01-28-2009, 05:32 PM

lucidity, I think it was here that you said that you thought purple was shaping up to be the color for time travel. I was noting when re-watching the clip show that both Damon and Carlton are wearing boldly purple shirts- one with stripes one without. :biggrin:

Devera

01-29-2009, 08:52 PM

I've loved the Sewing Kit theory ever since I stumbled across it a year or so ago, and I often come and lurk on this thread. Lucidity has done some amazing work with it.

For the other lurker a few pages back, I liked the idea that the black/white duality postulated a bit ago that the black/white/grey or dark colors/light colors might be tied not to just whether a person is a good person or a bad person, but how they see themselves.

I don't think we should entirely give up on red shift/blue shift meaning something, even if it doesn't quite fit into when we are seeing the colors in time. After all, there is also a lot of blue in the future. The red might be thematic (based on all the Oceanic 6 conning). In fact, the significance of the Doppler Effect might not have so much to do with WHEN it is time, as much as indicating MOVEMENT in time. That is really what the Doppler Effect is about--changes that show an outside observer whether objects are moving away from them or towards them.

The concept of red shift/blue shift might be still an important clue creating a palette-wise/show thematic-wise. The Doppler Effect is a very important physics concept based on whether things are going away from you or coming closer. Red and blue are at opposite ends of the visible light color spectrum, but in actuality the two ends of the spectrum are really red versus violet.

Here is a good link about the Doppler Effect: http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/a/doplight.htm

Particularly interesting, to me, the author Andrew Zimmerman Jones comments: For some reason, violet got the short end of the stick and such frequency shift is actually called a blue shift.In other words, a blue shift is also a violet/purple shift.

So we have two colors on two extreme ends of the spectrum.

Violet/blue <-------------------------------------------> Red

All of the colors combined in the spectrum appear as white. It seems to me as the show goes on we are seeing more and more dramatic use of these extremes on the color spectrum. I don't venture to say what it means yet, but it seems significant. We're having a lot of those two/three colors recently.

Another interesting item to note, the Doppler Effect is also not just a color thing. It affects sound. We have seen that sound is also a recurring theme. In the flashes, we get color (the purplish white flashes) and also that strange sound. Another item that might be interesting to note is the textbook example of how sound pitch changes whether something is moving towards you are away is the siren of a police car/ambulance. I remember learning about it with that example during school. This immediately made me think of Hurley's recent visitation by Ana Lucia.

Just some things to think about! Very curious to see how this all turns out.

Lost Ed

01-30-2009, 09:01 AM

In Jughead...I took notice that the sign on the door "Danger: Fumigation" was orange, our danger color, rather than red, which such signs usually are and red in the real world generally indicates danger.

BeLu

01-30-2009, 11:57 PM

Some observations from Jughead:
There was a LOT of color in those opening scenes when Desmond is running around trying to find the doctor (couldn't find a picture). There's a bit here, when he's running down the red dock. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-5.html) There's also this red line (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-6.html) (ropes turn into lines when they get on board boats, in case you didn't know)
No green to be seen when Penny is giving birth. Is her dress (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-19.html)black? Really dark blue? is that light blue or gray making the curvy pattern? Can't tell.
Later, Penny in a red shirt, blue lighting (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-59.html) on her hair (supposed to be moonlight, I'm guessing). By the way, there is no way the boat that they show a birds-eye view of has that much interior space... mysterious influence of the island?!?
Desmond's red/purple/blue scarf. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-186.html)
The sister's red vest. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-252.html) There is a very colorful bouquet in the background, kind of like in Sun's hotel room in the previous episode (or was that the first one?) Of course, some blue (and greenish) medical equipment. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-260.html)
I'm not sure what the standard color scheme is for a hydrogen bomb (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-332.html), but this one is green with yellow bands around it.
Richard is in black (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-449.html)this episode.
The on-island colors haven't been very interesting lately - lots of neutrals, and of course the wardrobes are staying the same. Locke is in a blue/gray instead of green. And of course Daniel is in his black and white.

Devera

01-31-2009, 12:08 AM

I thought Penny's first outfit when she was giving birth was deep royal purple. Then again, the second blouse looks pink (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-57.html) to me.

I really wish we could figure out why Desmond is always surrounded by red.

BeLu

01-31-2009, 12:19 AM

the shirt could very well be pink... but a reddish pink! :)
So once in college, I had a halfway serious argument with a good friend of mine about whether her silverware handles were blue or purple - I kept saying blue, she kept saying purple. It became a running gag after a while. Penny's dress looks like a remarkably similar color! So I guess not black, at any rate! Purple would make some sense, if it is indeed connected with love - there were lots of "i love you"s flying around that scene.
ETA:
I just noticed that Desmond (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-18.html)and Sawyer (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1453-223.html)have the same color scheme of shirts on.

Devera

01-31-2009, 12:22 AM

the shirt could very well be pink... but a reddish pink! :)
So once in college, I had a halfway serious argument with a good friend of mine about whether her silverware handles were blue or purple - I kept saying blue, she kept saying purple. It became a running gag after a while. Penny's dress looks like a remarkably similar color! So I guess not black, at any rate! Purple would make some sense, if it is indeed connected with love - there were lots of "i love you"s flying around that scene.

Yep, purple makes sense with the purple = love/passion idea. I agree it does look very close to black, though...and Penny does like to wear white/black.

ETA: Good point on the similar color schemes with Sawyer and Desmond. Locke is also wearing a blue (albeit not bright blue) shirt, which isn't his normal color, is it? His new role as protector of his people?

Sam G

01-31-2009, 01:04 AM

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/01/episode-5x03-jughead-penny-gives-birth.html here's caps of the birth scene

Devera

01-31-2009, 01:08 AM

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/01/episode-5x03-jughead-penny-gives-birth.html here's caps of the birth scene

Thanks, Sam.

Well, it that picture it looks black with silver/purple-blue stripes to me. Not a very strong color.

ETA: Actually, some of the angles still look purplish to me. It depends on the photo.

Sam G

01-31-2009, 02:21 AM

They're not the best caps but if you look at the first picture - the tent (for lack of a better word) in the first booth is purple and yellow.

Lucidity

01-31-2009, 08:50 PM

lostmommyof3 >
lucidity, I think it was here that you said that you thought purple was shaping up to be the color for time travel. I was noting when re-watching the clip show that both Damon and Carlton are wearing boldly purple shirts- one with stripes one without. :biggrin:

I hadn't realised Darlton appeared in the clipshow, but just looked now and you're right - really Purple. It's totally the sort of thing they'd do, in the same way they wear Dharma stuff. Nice catch.

Devera >
I've loved the Sewing Kit theory ever since I stumbled across it a year or so ago, and I often come and lurk on this thread. Lucidity has done some amazing work with it.

Thanks. :blushing:

I don't think we should entirely give up on red shift/blue shift meaning something, even if it doesn't quite fit into when we are seeing the colors in time. After all, there is also a lot of blue in the future. The red might be thematic (based on all the Oceanic 6 conning). In fact, the significance of the Doppler Effect might not have so much to do with WHEN it is time, as much as indicating MOVEMENT in time. That is really what the Doppler Effect is about--changes that show an outside observer whether objects are moving away from them or towards them.

The concept of red shift/blue shift might be still an important clue creating a palette-wise/show thematic-wise. The Doppler Effect is a very important physics concept based on whether things are going away from you or coming closer. Red and blue are at opposite ends of the visible light color spectrum, but in actuality the two ends of the spectrum are really red versus violet.

Season 4 FFs were definitely all about Red, but Jughead had a TON of Blue / Red contrasts. So you might be right.

In other words, a blue shift is also a violet/purple shift.

So we have two colors on two extreme ends of the spectrum.

Violet/blue <-------------------------------------------> Red

Yeah, opposites are definitely a big deal in all of this Colour theory. I still think the Coloured Bagua (see the WebSite) is a definite possibility.

LostEd >
In Jughead...I took notice that the sign on the door "Danger: Fumigation" was orange, our danger color, rather than red, which such signs usually are and red in the real world generally indicates danger.

I couldn't work out if it was Red or Orange, but I was leaning towards Orange too.

BeLu >
No green to be seen when Penny is giving birth.

The towel Charlie is wrapped in is Green. It's a very pale Green, but definitely Green. There's a screencap on my Jughead page.

Penny's dress, I'm going with Black and White - there has been Black and White around Ji Yeon, Aaron and Candle's son.

Richard, I thought was in dark Blue, as usual. We're not agreeing on many, are we, BeLu?

Well, here are the links for the pages for :
Because You Left (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Because%20You%20Left.htm)
The Lie (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Lie.htm)
Jughead (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Jughead.htm)

Jughead is the best by far. Des has a Purple Dr.Who style going on.

Sam G

01-31-2009, 11:32 PM

I just watched Jughead again - In the very beginning there's lots of colors but a lot of purple and variations of purple/lavender when Desmond is running down the dock.

Penny's dress looks dark navy blue and white to me.

Lucidity

02-01-2009, 05:24 PM

I totally agree that Penny's dress isn't pitch black, but when you think about all of the Black and White we've seen around the other babies, I'd bet on it being Black rather than dark Blue. Here (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/d081f34b3f6424e50993b7526693f1b7)'s a HQ screencap from DarkUFO.

There's a new Promo / Sneak Peak for The Little Prince . . .

. . . and there's a very interesting little bit of Colour evidence. When Claire gave birth to Aaron there was some discussion over whether or not her dress was Green. Everyone said "teal", but could teal be considered Green? Well, in the next Ep one of the flashes is apparently going to have Sawyer stumbling upon that very same scene, and though the screencap's poor quality I'd say the Green has been enhanced this time, as it was for Naomi's death scene, for example.

Before (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=35193&fullsize=1) / After (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/0ecb47bc9ba77960df70a0e487a9e2ba).

If it has been enhanced the implication is much greater than just another Green Birth, of course. The significant thing is that it would be more evidence of the lengths they go to to use Colours.

Slightly unrelated, but there's a cool Bagua-shaped dinghy (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/e2b614510bc7a0fcc9ace0f40935b4a3). But people commenting on Dark's site theorise it's Danielle's team rather than the O6, which would have been very cool.

And on that same topic, there's a quick shot of a girl (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/8943a31240e9985c7da794a7d67dd342) people are suggesting is young Rousseau. I can't wait. And she's cute too.

Richardstone

02-01-2009, 05:35 PM

Just watched Jughead again on Sky and Daniel's shirt is a light blue rather than white.

Sam G

02-02-2009, 02:43 AM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=34839&fullsize=1 Claire in Do No harm
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-364-229.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=34685&fullsize=1

The varying color of Claire's blouse

In the scene when she is giving birth the color looks to be a dark forrest green. Which means, to me, they matched the color pretty well when they shot this season's portion.

Devera

02-02-2009, 03:06 AM

Ack, spoiled. *covers eyes*:hide:

P.S.
But now that I'm accidentally spoiled, I have to say that looks like Claire's classic blue to me.

Lost Ed

02-02-2009, 04:02 PM

Lucidity, on my tv the "Fumigation" warning was most definitely orange. >>>And I got a good one (tv that is.) :)

TabbyRasa

02-06-2009, 02:33 PM

Can't believe that no one has yet mentioned the red-wrapped item in the box of chocolates delivered to Sun at the hotel...with the gun underneath. Traditionally, this screams "danger! warning!", but I've lost track of what red means in this thread's theory. :redface: At one time, it was deception. There was a suspicion of deception in Sun's demeanor with Kate (that she is after Aaron) in the previous episode, but in the current episode, we are apparently led to believe that Sun is after Ben, not Aaron.

Sam G

02-06-2009, 02:38 PM

I'm wondering about the candy also.

At the end of the episode Sun looks over at Aaron fast asleep in the back seat. He's old enough to cause a commotion if he wakes up. Did she knock him out?

Devera

02-06-2009, 05:46 PM

Sun was wearing very brilliant purple at one point, I noticed. It really stood out since she has been mainly red or black/white this season. Lots and lots of blues with a bunch of people.

And while the promo photos had Claire in blue, the birthing scene definitely made it look like she was wearing green when we got to see it again.

TabbyRasa

02-06-2009, 06:57 PM

I'm wondering about the candy also.

At the end of the episode Sun looks over at Aaron fast asleep in the back seat. He's old enough to cause a commotion if he wakes up. Did she knock him out?
I hope not. But maybe she is going to use him as a trade of some sorts (which might be difficult with Kate right there). Like "Ben, I'll give you Aaron if you give me [ ]".
Sun was wearing very brilliant purple at one point, I noticed. It really stood out since she has been mainly red or black/white this season. Lots and lots of blues with a bunch of people.

And while the promo photos had Claire in blue, the birthing scene definitely made it look like she was wearing green when we got to see it again.
Maybe The Island flashes cause the meaning of the colors to change. :eek2:

Sam G

02-06-2009, 07:02 PM

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/f16ab873fed2a14119dd7b2a2e6cec63 Sun in purple

I can't find any good caps but Kate's skirt, I think is the same color as Sun's top.

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/31acebcd840a04e365378f9428f20dfb the Claire deception

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/bb2b2d025ec12719c8dc66b50e414a9d Aaron in Maroon

Lucidity

02-06-2009, 07:02 PM

Richardstone >
Just watched Jughead again on Sky and Daniel's shirt is a light blue rather than white.

Yeah? That's weird. I've only seen the Promo pics and screencaps in any kind of definition but the shirt certainly looks White in those. Off-White, mind you, so I do believe you.

Claire's top wasn't as Green as it had looked from the Promo screencaps, but I still think it's slightly Greener than when originally aired.

TabbyRasa >
Can't believe that no one has yet mentioned the red-wrapped item in the box of chocolates delivered to Sun at the hotel...with the gun underneath. Traditionally, this screams "danger! warning!", but I've lost track of what red means in this thread's theory. :redface: At one time, it was deception. There was a suspicion of deception in Sun's demeanor with Kate (that she is after Aaron) in the previous episode, but in the current episode, we are apparently led to believe that Sun is after Ben, not Aaron.

Red is still Deception, Tabby. The meanings haven't really changed at all in all this time. All we've done is add on Purple for Love - in my opinion one of the strongest cases now. It's the Colours / Powers talk that tends to vary a bit more. In that, Red is about Deception and Perception.

There was a lot of Red, for example, surrounding Claire's mother, and that was all clearly a Red Herring.

And speaking of Purple, yeah, tons of Purple in those scenes. It could be explained away as Sun doing it out of Love, but that seems weak. But Aaron, Sun, the lining to the box of chocolates . . . loads of it.

But lots of Colours in general in the FFs. I'm wondering if it's about the convergence of the 06. And I loved Hurley in his bright Orange jumpsuit. We've now had him and Kate dressed similarly, and, of course, they're our two main Oranges.

I also noticed a lot of Blue going on with Danielle's team - seems strange considering what we (think we) know.

Sam G

02-06-2009, 07:16 PM

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/31acebcd840a04e365378f9428f20dfb this was just screaming deception. We've never seen Claire wear red lipstick, red frame.

Lucidity

02-06-2009, 07:19 PM

Yeah, when I first saw it, and her mother in Red too, I was thinking What the hell? And then when Jack came down and said that, I thought Hey, cool - Red for Deception.

BeLu

02-06-2009, 10:47 PM

here's another red folder (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1464-46.html) - in the hands of the lawyer. I was actually a bit surprised that the folder Sun got was not red (I think it was gray).
Sun's purple blouse was really vibrant, and I think someone else mentioned the purple interior of the chocolate box.
There are some interesting colors going on in the scene (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1464-137.html)where Sayid is attacked. The attacker is in dark blue scrubs, there is a bright red and yellow drawer thing beside the bed, and a very green oxygen tank standing by. Sayid, of course, is in black.
the french team's raft (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1464-593.html)is very red. they're all wearing either blue or brown/neutral (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1464-610.html) colors.

Lucidity, I looked at your Jughead page, and I really think you're finding more purple in those pictures than is actually there, especially around Penny - the interior of the boat has lots of blue, not purple.

Good catch on the green in the blanket on the newborn baby - I missed it completely.

Sam G

02-06-2009, 11:19 PM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=121331&fullsize=1 The hotel guy that delivered the envelope

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1464-599.html Everyone monitors and TV's are different but I think the raft is the orange they use in a lot of rescue equipment.

Devera

02-07-2009, 03:43 PM

I thought that the red candy box was clearly red because it wasn't a candy box...it was a gun box. In other words, the box was deceptive. The red also works with Sun right now because she is deceiving Kate...she isn't telling her all she knows or even what she is doing.

It seems we are getting a lot more color combinations recently...I'm thinking of Desmond's blue/red/purple scarf of awhile back.

I also considered the idea that I think was posited awhile ago that regardless of their other meaning, colors might eventually end up meaning teams/groups of people. Right now I feel that most people are moving towards either wearing red, blue, or purple. If there eventually end up being two teams (blue team, red team), purple could be either the players that haven't joined one team yet (red+blue=purple) OR they could be the players themselves (which also fits our purple power theme...purple equals time travel/time changers). This could call back to the game that they were playing with the blue and red pieces in Otherton...this theory might be for another thread, but something to keep in mind.

Lucidity

02-08-2009, 06:10 AM

BeLu >
Lucidity, I looked at your Jughead page, and I really think you're finding more purple in those pictures than is actually there, especially around Penny - the interior of the boat has lots of blue, not purple.

Yeah, I did say that I wasn't sure if the interior was Blue or Purple, that's why I didn't put those pictures in the usual Coloured "frame", I just left them blank. Though I must say, it looks more Purple to me than Blue, but then I haven't seen them in very good definition.

All of the Colours we're seeing in groups - Red, Green, Orange, for example, as I said the other day, I'm wondering if it's representing the O6 (perhaps one for each Colour) coming back together, "converging", as I put it. There were Hawking's candles. And then in Little Prince, this scene (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1464-576.html), with lots of Coloured "flashes".

And yeah, BeLu, I noticed a lot of Blue round the Frenchies too. As I said the other day, I don't understand why they'd be in Blue, considering what is about to happen to them. Unless something has changed? (Sam, I thought the raft was Orange too).

Devera,
Red for the gun box would certainly make more sense, But I still think the lining (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/7786445b38ce42b2af96b0c2af04907b) (not the best screencap) was Purple. Aaron was also in Purple. As was Sun. And the envelope she received (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=122388&fullsize=1) had a Purple label on it, I think.

As for "teams", Devera, I'm becoming more and more sure that is what the Colours represent, outside of the Danger, Deception, Love . . . meanings.

Sam G

02-08-2009, 03:06 PM

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/a3b30e561b913962684cf03cb6dc9906 how could we not have this

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/debdb97b26c9606626c6e5a9d80c90cc inside of the box looks "Eggplant"
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/68098533e80deb9fdc7ff0b486b57fcc
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/bb2b2d025ec12719c8dc66b50e414a9d
http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/7786445b38ce42b2af96b0c2af04907b
http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/50dd219f03250fed257de1424535206f
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/a31a3dd3ed7f9366480059e9dc8b9f0d

Hum...versions of the same color tying together all the connected scenes in this episode..

Devera

02-08-2009, 03:40 PM

Yes, suddenly a lot of purple going on with Sun...very pretty on her, actually. Oh, wait, yes, the theory...I think there is definitely something up with the purple with her.

The French team in blue are helping Jin...well, Danielle is and her team is sort of tolerating it. I'm interested to see if they end up wearing different colors as we see more of them.

Sam G

02-08-2009, 04:01 PM

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/62f3584bed9f480a3dc9522b39697f92 Danielle's team doesn't really stand out as any color to me, except "Others" colors - all very neutral grey, blue/grey, tan/brown, grey/green

Liplocked

02-09-2009, 12:20 PM

So, Aaron's handling red - again. Crayon in the back of the car last week then ketchup this, and both times mommy Kate was talking to duplicitous Sun. Deception's looking pretty good from here.

Aubergine for sure on the box interior ...eggplant for Eggtown somehow I think - or else I don't know.

But any thoughts any of you on the yellow wall beside the marina that Ben and company pass on arrival there?

squid

02-09-2009, 12:37 PM

I understand that red is associated with deception, my question would be who was deceiving whom in the scene with Jack and Claire's mom... I've had the crazy idea of her deceiving him about not being involved... I somehow thought her reaction to his question was a little off but maybe I'm way off base... wouldn't be the first time...
Is there any relationship between who is wearing or has the object with the color (ie the bright red picture frame belongs to Claire's mom so she's the deceptive party) or is it more generalized and in the background... ie red in the scene means deception is somehow being attempted/perpetrated but nothing more pointed than that -- inference is much more ambiguous

Also, about the purple color... I've been thinking that it might somehow be like a litmus color showing points/persons/objects that have either the potential to mess with or at some point have ceased to be linear wtihin or or are somehow vulnerable to alteration of future events-- not very clear I know... but my idea is still very very fuzzy
squid

Sam G

02-09-2009, 03:01 PM

squid

02-09-2009, 03:18 PM

The whole Caroline Littleton scene was a deception (to us and Kate and Jack) - She wasn't there for Aaron she was there for a settlement, supposedly from Oceanic - why couldn't they just mail the check? All set up by Ben.
yes, I know that that is the ostensible denotation of the scene, I just wondered if there might a double blind going on where Jack thinks one thing but there is really a subtext that she's actually in this with Ben and will pop up again so she'll be handy for Kate to leave Aaron with and return to the island...

I didn't 100% buy that she was that clueless in the scene... but I'm probably wrong - hence my question about how specifically the colors might be indicating something... whether the object can indicate who is deceptive, etc...
squid

TabbyRasa

02-12-2009, 01:54 PM

Well, all the candles were white, which I would think is a good thing.

Color me wrong, though. ;)

Devera

02-12-2009, 02:17 PM

I didn't 100% buy that she was that clueless in the scene... but I'm probably wrong - hence my question about how specifically the colors might be indicating something... whether the object can indicate who is deceptive, etc...
squid

I know people who are deceiving others often wear red...trying to think if there have been instances where other people who are being deceived wear red...can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but it should be interesting to see.

The candles were white, which seems good, but remember Ben's group of others also wore white for the funeral...so does white always mean good? Very interesting that the candle color changed, though.

I wasn't paying attention to colors this episode, but I think John was wearing blue...

jane_eire

02-12-2009, 05:39 PM

The light behind the Frozen Wheel was not yellow this time. Instead, it was Green - was this an indication that the very Life of the Island was in jeopardy?

Sam G

02-12-2009, 06:33 PM

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/00eb9820179892d62fc4206ecad5bac5

Devera

02-12-2009, 06:41 PM

Green, life and death, has often been associated with the island. Not to be obvious, but it also could be foreshadowing Locke's death by turning him green.

Sam G

02-13-2009, 10:05 AM

This Place is Death

The scene where Sun wants to shoot Ben - lots of Green and Yellow lights and some red in the background. Also a boat name we see written in red, Illusion.

All the candles in the church have turned to white.

jane_eire

02-13-2009, 11:22 AM

Also a boat name we see written in red, Illusion.

Oh, nice! So, is the suggestion of Illusion a deception in itself?

Lucidity

02-13-2009, 01:42 PM

Interesting comments, everyone. :thumbsup:

The Green Frozen Donkey Wheel :
I'd say first of all, it's interesting to the theory as a whole that they have changed the Colour, whatever the meaning. Surely that has to be deliberate?

I'd say the obvious explanation is that Locke is going to die, while Ben didn't. But I like Devera's suggestion that it's Green for the Island. Or perhaps the wheel reflects the person doing the "donkey-work"?

It reminds me of the Swan Hatch that also changed Colour, perhaps depending on the person in the dome at the time, or what was going on. Check out this page (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Bits%20and%20Pieces.htm) to see some cool examples.

The Frenchies in Blue :
Yeah, hmmm . . . well, moving on. :biggrin: Who knows? But yes, I admit (before you say it, rt ;) ) it seems a pretty major contradiction to the theory. I liked this shot (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=123304&fullsize=1).
But totally unrelated to Colour, I'm dying to know why Smokey picked off the Pilot and Nadine.

The White Candles :
Another one that I'd claim shows they're very deliberate in their use of Colour - or was it just another "prop error"? I've become more and more convinced that the way onto the Island is Death, and I've been wondering if that might be what all the White / Black is about - the two sides of Life and Death, a before and after. And that would make sense if the O6 are about to die again in order to get back.

The Marina Scene :
I'd already mentioned it from the previous Ep, I think, but there are loads of different-Coloured "flashes" (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=123168&fullsize=1) visible throughout - presumably the marina lights glowing, but, as with the original candles, why so many different Colours? But this Ep what I loved was the way later on each character seemed to be given 1 Colour. I'll have to do some screencaps - the LostMedia ones don't do it justice.

And Sam, great catch on the boat. Here's a screencap (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=123364&fullsize=1). It's a big, big, long-shot, but from day 1 I've wondered if everything they're living "off-Island" is no more real than what was happening on Craphole - some kind of illusion, and I wondered if that was what all the Red we saw in S4 was representing. Like I say, I don't really believe it even myself, but that "Illusion" boat makes you wonder. Don't forget we saw the "Magnetic Resonance Imagining (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/7/70/MRI.jpg)" sign too, also in Red.

BeLu

02-13-2009, 11:48 PM

So you guys are right, that raft is orange, not red.

The scene where the french team is walking through the jungle totally reminded me of the scene where Danielle, Alex, and Carl are shot at - but this time the trees were more black (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1466-61.html)looking, instead of white (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1393-450.html). Probably doesn't mean anything much, but just visually jogged my memory.

Here's a shot of the white candles (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1466-539.html). I was pretty shocked that they were all white! Oh, that blue candle that I was talking about a few weeks ago that I saw at my actual real life church - it was still on the altar this week, so it has nothing to do with the feast day of the conversion of St. Paul. Still don't know what it actually means!

Lucidity

02-15-2009, 11:37 AM

BeLu,
Maybe the vicar's a Lost fan !

I'm hoping we'll get some better shots of the stained glass windows in that church. There are two that seem predominantly Red, one, and Blue, the other. I wondered if there might be other Colours and possibly a clue within the pictures themselves as to who each Colour represented. Of course, all of this is based on the long-shot that the windows aren't simply existing ones.

There's a cool Promo for the next Ep . . .

. . . and Hawking is in Blue now (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/e5136f566f4ca9649fb71c6f309ad9f6), rather than the Purple we'd seen her in previously. And we'd already mentioned the Blue around the computer (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/f04d8df11dfdcfae4738b4f698ba306b). Well, the promo includes a shot of the O6 heading back and Hurley's wearing what looks to me to be a very deliberate Blue cap (http://mrtheodi.iimmgg.com/image/079de96645a60616ec94c24ada48dc24). So it could be Blue because they're going to be safe in spite of the crash, but I'm thinking it's going to be more about the mission they're on, that we're going to be seeing a lot of Blue around in general, just as we saw all of the Red off-Island last season. And I wonder if that could somehow tie in to the Frenchies who got killed in Blue. Oh, Ben is using a Blue phonebox (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/SZdVxKPiIeI/AAAAAAAAPF8/_uiWQP2f-qE/s1600-h/cdn-promo9.gif) too.

eddypots

02-15-2009, 03:17 PM

Hey lucidity

Talking about blue, I don't know if this has already been posted before haha, but, rewatching the episode of "White Rabbit", we all know there is a scene where Jack is like going out of himself against Chrissy in the reception of the airport, because he wants to take that flight so that he can buries his father (or that's the reason he claims it to be...)
However, the point is that I don't know if it was not intended to be that way, but Jack's eyes were strongly bright blue, and I cannot recall any another scene where he shows this eye's colour...

That was strange, because for what I know, Jack's eyes are and have always been light brown tending to ambre, but not any close to blue...
What do ya think??
What was it that makes the scene so particular??
Could blue also be the colour of the right??
Right as in "We have to go back and bring the body of Locke to the Island"?? As well as Jack had to bring her father's body??

Thoughts?

Lucidity

02-15-2009, 06:24 PM

Ha ha ! I've got it ! It all makes such perfect sense, and, as is usually the case with these things, was staring us in the face all along. I've mentioned a few times recently that I'm wondering if Black and White might be about Life and Death, the two sides. Well, I'm pretty sure now that that's exactly it.

Right at the beginning we had Locke's "2 SIDEs. One light. One dark." with his Black and White backgammon pieces. Well, both Ben and Anthony Cooper have said "See you on the other SIDE", in reference to death.

And now the O6 are taking Locke back, to be resurrected. And I think the way onto the Island is through Death, and so they'll all be resurrected in a sense. And then we get Hawking's White candles (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=123679&fullsize=1). So far, so good, right? Well, I was reading some comments on Dark's site and it turns out the picture hanging right behind those candles is "The Incredulity of Saint Thomas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredulity_of_Saint_Thomas_%28Caravaggio%29)", a painting about the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and doubting Thomas who wouldn't believe it until he saw it.

And that got me wondering if we'd seen any other White - Resurrection connections. Have you got it yet? Have a think before you click, just for fun. Ta da ! (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=16196&fullsize=1)
Darlton said just the other day that that would be explained - could this be the answer?

And this could also support the idea that they were all resurrected that day. Ta da 2 ! (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/2/2c/Lost_-_whiteshoe.jpg)

A little Spoiler about the upcoming Ep . . .

Apparently the O6 are told that they have to take something back with Locke's body. The clue was that it's something that comes in pairs. Now, it could just be another pair of White shoes, but I'm betting whatever it is, they're White.

eddy,
I'm afraid I don't see Jack's eyes as Blue from the screencaps. Perhaps it depends on the monitor / TV, as has come up in the past. I can definitely see a brightness to them, but they just look sort of greenish brown to me. Here's a page with a good set of pics (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-47-559.html).

While looking up those screencaps I came across a great one of Jack in Black and White (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=16220&fullsize=1) - being sent to Australia to pick up his dad's body - ties in with my resurrection idea.

And nothing to do with anything, but, looking at the screencaps for those early Eps,
I'd forgotten how much :shannon:. Ta da ! (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=16098&fullsize=1) and Ta da 2 ! (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=15388&fullsize=1) :biggrin:
Next Avatar thingy I'm definitely going back to Shannon.

Comfortably Numb

02-15-2009, 06:45 PM

I wonder what Jack did with these (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/b/bb/Aande_stones.jpg) ?

jane_eire

02-15-2009, 09:18 PM

Sometimes seeing is believing, and sometimes believing makes for seeing... and sometimes they simply converge.

Devera

02-15-2009, 11:39 PM

I think "Illusion" in red seems to indicate they are not in an illusion, although I suppose it could be the other way.:drowsy:

Ninotchka has a thread on the "Doubting Thomas" painting (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Caravaggio_-_The_Incredulity_of_Saint_Thomas.jpg) here: Painting at the church (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=107600) (What color would you say the apostles are wearing? Orange, red, or brown?)

Ben's Otherton villagers all wore white at Colleen (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Colleen)'s funeral, which Lostpedia says is the traditional color in some cultures for funerals, including Buddhism.

I feel like black and white are somehow related to yin/yang and balance, and both are needed, not too much of one or the other.

I can't remember if I have posted this or not, but in the American novel Moby Dick, or The Whale (a book that has been directly referenced in LOST), Chapter 42* is dedicated solely to the numerous meanings of whiteness. The chapter is old enough that it can be read online for free numerous places: "The Whiteness of the Whale (http://www.classicallibrary.org/melville/moby/chapter44.htm)."

When I was reading that chapter, I couldn't help but think of Lost. It has polar bears, sharks, the French, Romans, death...

But not yet have we solved the incantation of this whiteness, and learned why it appeals with such power to the soul; and more strange and far more portentous--why, as we have seen, it is at once the most meaning symbol of spiritual things, nay, the very veil of the Christian's Deity; and yet should be as it is, the intensifying agent in things the most appalling to mankind.*Holy Svetlana the cow, I just noticed that the chapter is also one of our numbers!

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Edit to add:

Oh, this is too good, I had to share! From Wikipedia's Yin and Yang thread (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang):

"In the taijitu, the circle itself represents a whole (see wuji), while the black and white areas within it represent interacting parts or manifestations of the whole. The white area represents yang elements, and is generally depicted as rising on the left, while the dark (yin) area is shown descending on the right (though other arrangements exist, most notably the version used on the flag of South Korea). The image is designed to give the appearance of movement. Each area also contains a small circle of the opposite color at its fullest point (near the zenith and nadir of the figure) to indicate how each will transform into the other." (bold mine)

How perfect is that? I went to check, and sure enough, Sun and Jin are from South Korea. Even better, though, this is the flag (http://www.paulnoll.com/Korea/History/South-Korean-flag.html). Another version here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_South_Korea.svg). Now in the first image, I think it looks red/purple, and the second fuschia/blue...but the written description alongside the first image link describes the flag colors as red and blue.

Part of the description from the first image link:
"The circle in the center, red upper half and blue lower half, represents absolute, or the essential unity of all being. The Yang (positive) and the Yin (negative) divisions within the circle represent duality. Examples of duality are heaven and hell, fire and water, life and death, good and evil, or night and day."

I'm starting to think, confusing as it is for this theory, that the color palette has changed and is moving increasingly towards yin/yang colors. Here we have a case where red and blue are being used in place of black and white...perhaps that might be what is going on with the show.

rthensley

02-17-2009, 08:24 AM

OK Luc. I'm wondering if you lost me.

Are you linking the white shoes with resurrection?

So now black = death?

What happened to green = death?

Lucidity

02-17-2009, 09:10 AM

Comfortably Numb >
I wonder what Jack did with these (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/b/bb/Aande_stones.jpg) ?

Good point. Off-the-wall idea, but just coming from posting on my Pasts and Futures thread, where we're discussing reincarnation and multiple dimensions, what if Adam and Eve are the same person, well, the same "soul" - their Black and White sides.

Devera >I think "Illusion" in red seems to indicate they are not in an illusion, although I suppose it could be the other way.:drowsy:

Yeah, it could be interpreted that way, but with all of the Red we saw in S4, I'd say this "Illusion" thing, if deliberate, is more of a clarification than a double-negative.

Good point about the White at Colleen's funeral.

I feel like black and white are somehow related to yin/yang and balance, and both are needed, not too much of one or the other.

Definitely. I'm sort of seeing this Reincarnation idea as two sides of the same coin - neither "better" than the other. It's just a question of crossing over to the other side.

The whole Yin / Yang, 2 sides thing was discussed a lot in Thread 1 of The Sewing Kit. We matched the Colours to the Elements that go round the Bagua, and that's how we got the Coloured Bagua on Page 1 of the WebSite, and then we noticed that the negative themes, Danger, Death and Deception had fallen on one side, and Health / Safety, Love and whatever Pink represents (I tend to go with Wisdom) were on the other. Kate was always an Orange pre-Island, and when we see her for the first time post-Craphole she was very, very Blue - Orange's opposite on the Bagua. And dividing the Bagua are Black and White.

And I'll definitely check out that chapter from Moby Dick.

rthensley >
Are you linking the white shoes with resurrection?

Yeah. Cool, huh?

What happened to green = death?

Nothing, as far as I'm aware.

Black and White would be about "the two sides", the before and after. Green would be the actual act of dying, and, let's not forget, being born. Not actually resurrection. I can see an overlap there, but not a contradiction. Plus, let's not forget that Green is Life and Death as a Theme, not a Power. As a Power it's the Island, and Nature.

As I typed that a thought came to me, could those who haven't died in Green be a clue to the fact that they were reincarnated? Just a thought, rt, before you rip the idea to pieces. I haven't even begun to think who did and didn't die in Green.

Devera

02-17-2009, 02:24 PM

Definitely anyone interested should check out "The Whiteness of the Whale" chapter. Crazy Melville, writing a whole chapter on whiteness. I think he would be a "Sewing Kit" theory fan, if he was alive today.:biggrin:

The whole Yin / Yang, 2 sides thing was discussed a lot in Thread 1 of The Sewing Kit. We matched the Colours to the Elements that go round the Bagua, and that's how we got the Coloured Bagua on Page 1 of the WebSite, and then we noticed that the negative themes, Danger, Death and Deception had fallen on one side, and Health / Safety, Love and whatever Pink represents (I tend to go with Wisdom) were on the other. Kate was always an Orange pre-Island, and when we see her for the first time post-Craphole she was very, very Blue - Orange's opposite on the Bagua. And dividing the Bagua are Black and White.

I remember that...I think the idea that I've been bopping around doesn't necessarily eliminate that part of the theory. I've read all the posts in both threads--used to mostly be a lurker because I tend to want to read entire theories before I start participating much in a thread.

What I'm thinking about is that maybe the colors are moving towards simplifying into their most basic forms and eventually unifying...we had all the colors, and now all of the colors are moving towards their united form of yin/yang...white/black, or in some cases--such as the South Korean flag or with redshift/blueshift--blue/red. Remember, in light, white is all the colors combined. I think this fits with your power idea, all the colors/powers/heroes must unify in the end.

Maybe we are starting to see it happen. The candles seem like a deliberate clue...maybe it means that all of our colors are moving towards being united. (White as the unification of all colors).

Lucidity

02-17-2009, 03:47 PM

Devera >
What I'm thinking about is that maybe the colors are moving towards simplifying into their most basic forms and eventually unifying...

I know what you mean there. I've had a similar feeling about some Colours we've seen - Hawking moving from Purple to Blue, for example, both of which are on the same side of our Coloured Bagua. And we've been seeing so much Red / Blue, which are opposite sides.

Remember, in light, white is all the colors combined. I think this fits with your power idea, all the colors/powers/heroes must unify in the end.

Wow. That is a great idea put perfectly. :clapping:

Maybe we are starting to see it happen. The candles seem like a deliberate clue...maybe it means that all of our colors are moving towards being united. (White as the unification of all colors).

Much as I like my Resurrection idea, that does make a lot of sense. One week we're shown a bunch of Coloured candles, the following they're all White.

I also think there might be some significance to candles themselves (what with Candle, Wickman and Halliwax), possibly tied in to Colour.

Another thing that might be happening with the Bagua (and the Colours) is the rotation we've seen in some places recently - the same Bagua but rotated to the . . . left, I think it was.

squid

02-17-2009, 03:52 PM

I've been thinking it is interestiing that white light contains all colors in the spectrum, but with pigment, black contains all the colors...
squid

rthensley

02-17-2009, 04:53 PM

Squid, you beat me to it. I was just getting ready to post the same thing.

It is true that white light contains all the colors, but that with pigments black contains all the colors. I assume we are dealing with pigments on this thread (since that is what we have mostly talked about). So all the colors converging should lead to black.

Interesting link (http://home.att.net/~RTRUSCIO/COLORSYS.htm).

The site also talks about two sets of primary colors. Red, blue, and green for light and cyan, magenta, and yellow for pigments.

Hey Luc, why don't you take these six primary colors and coorelate them to the O6?

Devera

02-17-2009, 05:02 PM

Lucidity, interesting idea about rotation.

squid, I like the idea that black is also all colors combined, only in pigment.

I think there are a lot of clues about light in the series, and with the theme of yin/yang it makes sense to me that both black and white might symbolize unity.

Sam G

02-17-2009, 05:20 PM

Lots of clues about light starting right from the very beginning of the series.

Redbird

02-17-2009, 06:40 PM

I wonder what Jack did with these (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/b/bb/Aande_stones.jpg) ?

In his state he probably swallowed them.

squid

02-17-2009, 07:38 PM

I don't want to get this thread off track, so feel free to tell me if there's a better place for this, but I've begun to link in my own mind the idea of Adam and Eve and the black/white stones... not in the sense of right/wrong but more in the sense of the Ur-parents. In the biblical narrative, Eve is referred to the mother of all living... so I'm thinking that the Adam and Eve being the parents of all living have the entire dna of an entire world in them like the colors have the entire spectrum - light and pigment in them... male and female... I'm probably waaay off track here, but I don't have time to ponder it further right now, I have to head out the door to a meeting...
squid

Lucidity

02-17-2009, 08:02 PM

Sam G

02-17-2009, 08:21 PM

http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=5955

http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/file.php/2820/S324_3_018i.jpg the odd properties of polar bear fur
http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=5705

Which is an odd cross over from Alias - They had Marshall spouting this information about polar bear fur and polar bears also show up on LOST (TPTB aren't afraid to recycle information - the same same sort of thing is happening with Fringe.)

Devera

02-17-2009, 08:56 PM

I remember reading about light references a lot in my early forays to the forum. Let me see if I can find some links.

Edit to add:
Aaron - one of the meanings of the name is shining light
Apollo bars -- Apollo god of truth/light, sometimes the sun
Ana Lucia - (Lucia means light)
Cindy (Cynthia) - Greek goddess of the moon
Claire - clear, bright, shining
Helen - sun ray, shining light
Lucy - Light (Charlie's girlfriend in flashback)
Nadia's name (Noor) means "light"
Sun - homonym for the sun in English
Linus - Linos, son of Apollo

From the name thread, Elfdream's post on the possibility of Charlie/the moth being connected with light (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=133572&postcount=3).

That doesn't even get into the number of references to scientists or other things involved with the electromagnetic spectrum, which of course light is only the visible part of...Shannon's last name, Rutherford, for example. :)

seaquelost

02-17-2009, 09:23 PM

squid

02-17-2009, 10:31 PM

Interesting posts, everyone. On this idea of whether all Colours make Black or White, I'd say the "context" is visual light and Colour as experienced through the eye - the eye being a clear, clear theme in Lost. Other "contexts", such as print or screen, vary too much from system to system, I think. And so, in that sense, Black is the absolute lack of light (the carrier of Colour) and White is the balanced combination of all the Colours. But in any case, if White represents something all-powerful I'd bet a pound to a penny that Black represents something equally powerful - the balance we spoke of earlier.

The power resident in black and white (tied in with the Adam/Eve reference) reminds me of something of one of the characters says in CS Lewis' space trilogy (That Hideous Strength) where he talks about history coming to a point... the further back in history you go the more important the people who lived were because their lives and choices affect more generations and thus have more impact over the history of man) Interestingly, at least to me, is that the second novel in the space trilogy (Perelandra) deals with another eden on a different planet. There were references to powers and colors I believe but not nearly as pointed as we seem to be seeing in LOST but its been a lot of year since I re-read those 3 novels.

That Adam and Eve idea is hard to get my head around, but it sounds interesting. I have this idea that each Colour / Power is a tribe / clan / family - maybe Adam and Eve had six children who each went on to form one of these groups?

Well, I think its a logical inference if there are/were an Adam/Eve on the island, the island is in some sense their Eden.

The two possiblities are that who ever they are with all the ancient hints (four toed statue, etc) it is/was literally Eden. The other possiblity is that it is a new or Eden-like place...

the literal doesn't seem to stand up to the biblical narrative... Adam and Eve had an unspecified but presumeably very large number of children... the narrative focuses on only three -- Cain - who murdered his brother, Abel the more righteous murdered brother and Seth, the stand in for Abel.

If Adam and Eve and all they mean to the history of the island are represented by black and white... it makes sense that children or at least descendants would be represented by elements/colors contained in the parents...

but I've also been thinking about the six... now if you want to get into numbers... 7 is representative of perfection... 6 is imperfect...hence 666 having a massive negative connotation in scripture... imperfection, upon imperfection, upon imperfection... but I really think that taking the number of colors represented would be putting to fine a point upon it... is 6 the standard number of colors represented on a color wheel? 3 primaries and then secondary colors combining for a total of 6?

I'm tired and no doubt rambling so Lucidity, if this post seems too far afield from what the thread is intended to discuss, feel free to tell me and I'll remove it, no problem... its a great thread and I'd hate to derail it with too much peripheral speculation...
squid

Devera

02-17-2009, 10:40 PM

Hello all!

Here's some nice shots from the last episode.

Just after Christian tell Jack, "say hello to my son". The scene that follows is one of Sun and Jack inside the van. Just following that shot is this one:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/LampPost.jpg

Focus is on the light from the lamp post. You can barely see the blurred cross in the background.

The following sequence:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/LampPost3.jpg

Now the focus is on the cross.

And then later we see this shot:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/LampPost2.jpg

I liked how they did this.

I love the lamppost...I can't believe I missed that. Nice screencaps.

Aside on the discussion about Adam and Eve's children: I was thinking of C.S. Lewis the other day, particularly The Lion, the Witch, and the Warddrobe. In that book, the prophecy needs "two sons of Adam" and "two daughters of Eve." It made me think, who do we have in relatively the same generation as kids...(Aaron, Ji Yeon, Charlie, and...perhaps Sawyer's daughter to make us have enough Eves...stretching but mainly we've just had little boys)?

Lucidity

02-18-2009, 07:51 AM

Sam,
How could I have forgotten the Polar Bear fur ? ! ? :doh:
But I hadn't seen that other Thread of yours about the lights being on - it's an interesting idea.

And interesting list, Devera. I particularly liked the Aaron one.

cq,
Nice catch on the lamppost and the changing focus. I really think we're getting the whole "second coming" idea thrown in our faces quite regularly now. There's a shot of that statue with Desmond coming into the scene, could that be an indication that he's the one?

But, from the Promos . . .

. . . he doesn't appear to be on Ajira 316, and 316 is the number that gave us the biblical reference :

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

The penny just dropped . . . Ben is seen looking at the "Doubting Thomas" picture in the Promo, and he doesn't appear to be returning (yet). Perhaps because only "whoever believes in him" will be granted "eternal life" on the Island?

Anyway, yeah, apparently Des isn't the one. So maybe Aaron?

squid >
The power resident in black and white (tied in with the Adam/Eve reference) reminds me of something of one of the characters says in CS Lewis' space trilogy (That Hideous Strength) where he talks about history coming to a point... the further back in history you go the more important the people who lived were because their lives and choices affect more generations and thus have more impact over the history of man) Interestingly, at least to me, is that the second novel in the space trilogy (Perelandra) deals with another eden on a different planet. There were references to powers and colors I believe but not nearly as pointed as we seem to be seeing in LOST but its been a lot of year since I re-read those 3 novels.

Sounds cool. I'll definitely be doing a bit of Wikipedia "research" into the trilogy. Perhaps the Narnia idea was a Red Herring and that's what Charlotte's name was all about?

I'm tired and no doubt rambling so Lucidity, if this post seems too far afield from what the thread is intended to discuss, feel free to tell me and I'll remove it, no problem... its a great thread and I'd hate to derail it with too much peripheral speculation...

Not at all. The "Holy Grail" of all of this Colour talk is its context. From Day 1 we all agreed that if we have come to know the Writers at all there'll be a real-world (literary, cultural, religious . . .) inspiration and guideline for the whole issue of Colour-use. We haven't discussed such things recently because I think those of us contributing have exhausted any ideas we had in that regard, and so discussion has been limited purely to Colour-use itself. My point is, any new ideas on the context in which these Colours might be explained are very welcome.

Devera >
I was thinking of C.S. Lewis the other day, particularly The Lion, the Witch, and the Warddrobe. In that book, the prophecy needs "two sons of Adam" and "two daughters of Eve." It made me think, who do we have in relatively the same generation as kids...(Aaron, Ji Yeon, Charlie, and...perhaps Sawyer's daughter to make us have enough Eves...stretching but mainly we've just had little boys)?

Very possible. I definitely include Clementine in any thoughts on the babies - the fact that Sawyer might well be infertile adds significance to the birth, and there have been many, many comments recently from writers and actors that certain characters might be related to others we've already seen, etc. So we could very easily get a major Cassidy connection to Annie, say, just as an example. And in terms of Colours, of course Clementine would be our Orange baby (Clementines are oranges, in case anyone didn't get the connection). What we need is Sayid and Nadia to have a baby, and then one other to make up the 6.

Just a little thing from some set photos for an upcoming Ep. Nothing revealing at all.

We'd already seen the Blue Dharma van (http://www.hawaiiweblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/fishbisquit_erdman_3.jpg) everywhere. Well, now we've got jeeps (http://www.hawaiiweblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/chris_erdman_2.jpg) and bikes (http://www.hawaiiweblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/fishbisquit_erdman_2.jpg) in the same Blue.

rthensley

02-18-2009, 09:07 AM

squid

02-18-2009, 09:19 AM

rthensley
some good observations, I agree that most analysis has centered on the pigment/dye/ink side but I wonder if the flashes of color that ya'll have been discussing are perhaps the white light part of the equation ?... Light and color are much harder to display than the black side of the equation with wardrobe, etc...

squid

rthensley

02-18-2009, 09:59 AM

Luc will be the first person to tell you that I am not a big believer in this theory. I try to add MY analysis just to provide an alternative view.

That being said, IF this theory holds true, then I think there is room for all the colors to be present.

Using the Yin Yang as a sort of template:

The outer circle represents "everything" (not my analysis, link found here (http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~shlede/ying/yang.html)). For this theory, this would work. The outer circle literally is everything = time, space, Luc's "powers", people, etc...

The Yin (black part), as described by the previos link, is "dark". Presto! Our pigments/dyes/inks which contain all the colors.

The Yang (white), as described by the previous link, is "bright". Bam! Our light which also contains all the colors.

Together these forces are "causing everything to happen".

The link I provided also talks about the Yellow Emporer.

Some excerpts from the article:

''The principle of Yin and Yang is the foundation of the entire universe. It underlies everything in creation"

"Yang, the element of light, originates in the pores. Yin, the element of darkness, moves within the five viscera. Yang the lucid force of light truly is represented by the four extremities- and Yin the
turbid force of darkness stores the power of the six treasures of nature. Water is an embodiment of Yin as fire is an embodiment of Yang. Yang creates the air, while Yin creates the senses, which belong to the physical body When the physical body dies, the spirit is restored to the air, its natural environment. The spirit receives its nourishment through the air, and the body receives its nourishment through the senses"

(The underline is mine. Six treasures = O6?)

"If one has the ability to know the seven injuries and the eight advantages, one can bring the two principles into harmony"

(Luc's powers? If someone has the "powers", they can bring Yin & Yang into balance and save the world?)

"Nature has four seasons and five elements"

(Early on we talked about elements here. These elements however are: cold, heat, dryness, moisture, and wind.)

From another article (http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CHPHIL/YINYANG.HTM).

"The yin and yang accomplish changes in the universe through the five material agents."

"The yin and yang represent all the opposite principles one finds in the universe."

"...all phenomena change into their opposites in an eternal cycle of reversal."

"These five material agents are wood-fire-earth-metal-water and are grouped either in the order by which they produce one another (wood gives rise to fire, fire gives rise to earth, earth gives rise to metal, metal gives rise to water, water gives rise to earth, etc.) or the order by which they are conquered by one another: fire is conquered by water, water is conquered by earth, earth is conquered by wood, wood is conquered by metal, and metal is conquered by fire, etc"

"Associated with the agent wood is the season spring, fire is summer, metal is autumn, and water is winter. The color green is the color of the wood agent, red the color of fire, yellow the color of earth, white the color of metal, and black the color of water."

"What is important to understand is that the five agents explain everything including the progress of change in the universe."

Sam G

02-18-2009, 11:36 AM

Is anyone here watching Fringe?

Lucidity

02-18-2009, 03:11 PM

rt,
I think you're confusing the manufacture / production / printing of colour and the way those manufactured / produced / printed colours are perceived. The basic colour systems are RGB (screen) and CMYK (print), and, as you pointed out, in RGB White is the sum of all colours, while in CMYK it is its absence. My point is that both colour systems have the same aim, the colour perceived by the human eye. That is why I said that that is the best way for us to look at colour. Also, the evidence we've seen doesn't fit either the RGB or the CMYK model, which don't include Orange, for example.

rthensley >
But Luc we ARE analyzing color on a screen. If they vary too much, how can any of this analysis be considered semi-valid?

Nice try, rt. I was talking about the variation between systems, not within a system.

Sam G >
Is anyone here watching Fringe?

I don't, no. Why, has something related come up?
I always remember that thing mentioned here from Desperate Housewives (I think it was you that posted it, Sam) - one of the characters said they never wear Orange because that's the Colour for Danger, or something like that.

Lost Ed

02-18-2009, 03:24 PM

Is anyone here watching Fringe?
I was watching Fringe, but stopped. Gettin too gory for me.

rthensley

02-18-2009, 04:16 PM

I think you're confusing the manufacture / production / printing of colour and the way those manufactured / produced / printed colours are perceived. The basic colour systems are RGB (screen) and CMYK (print)...

I'm confused about most of this stuff, but I do believe I have a basic understanding of this.

BTW, the CMY (not sure where the K came from or what it stands for) would also apply to pigments/dyes....right? For example, the clothes worn by our Losties would fall under this CYM category.

Someone mentioned something along the lines of all the colors converging and creating white. All I was trying to point out is that the colors converging should produce black.

All along we have (mostly) used material examples of colors. Clothes, tarps, folders, chairs, etc.. as the basis for most of the discussion on this theory. Those are examples from the CYM scale. It made sense to me to continue that method and have the convergence/blending of all of the colors equaling black.

Now granted we are all observing those colors on our TVs which are using the RGB blending methods.

Really isn't the RGB blending just transfering the CYM blending to us? We are interpreting the CYM examples for this theory. Right?

Nice try, rt. I was talking about the variation between systems, not within a system.

By systems, do you mean the RGB and the CYM we are talking about?

If not, what are you talking about?

Sam G

02-18-2009, 04:49 PM

Fringe - The gory, I think I've gotten used to it. With JJ Abrams shows, things seem to come up in different ways. Red and Green have made themselves felt in the show, as blinking lights

Tramp

02-18-2009, 06:36 PM

Sam G

02-18-2009, 06:43 PM

I wonder if being unconscious helps you in some way?

seaquelost

02-18-2009, 08:48 PM

Luc:

Just curious -- and maybe I missed this earlier in the thread -- but do you see the resurrection/reincarnation that the O6 have to go through as literal or symbolic? I know Juliet had to be put under for her visit to the island, and as far as I know only Kate said she was awake for the whole crash of 815 (whatever that means). But the Freighties at least seem to have arrived without being rendered unconscious. So are we only talking about those who have left and try to return? I assume that's what you mean.

Hi Tramp, I know this was directed at Luc, but I'd like to mention something that has me wondering about this. I actually started a thread and didn't get much response. It's possible (okay slim) that it might be a literal reference. My basis for this is weak, but still has me wondering.

During their trek to the Orchid, Charlotte asked Daniel “Is this going to work?” Daniel replied,

“It does make empirical sense that if this started at the Orchid then that's where it's going to stop. But, as far as bringing back the people who left in order to stop these temporal shifts, that's where we leave science behind.”H-m-m-m-m......."that's where we leave science behind". (?)

Dan could be have been telling us that he simply doesn't know what the O6's purpose is or how they will stop the temporal shifts.

I didn't mention any connection to resurrection/reincarnation in my thread regarding Dan's comment for the exact reasons you brought up. Too many other people have arrived on the island without having to be "reborn".

Aside from the silly van.....they sure made blatant reference to the resurrection/reincarnation scenario in the last ep. I haven't come up with any good scenario's regarding how the writers will have this play-out. I've been reading other theories on this and, not to bash anyone, I'm not really satisfied with any of them. If Locke is going to be resurrected I hope he will still be "Locke"...... I don't like the idea of him being used as a host for another being.

Sorry about the lengthy post, I'm having a rare early evening cup of coffee in preparation for tonights episode. I'm a little chatty right now. :redface:

Devera

02-19-2009, 02:49 AM

It's official. The colors of the show this season are black, white, blue, maroon/red, and purple. A lot of purple this episode. Sayid was rockin' it this week, along with pretty much everyone else.

squid

02-19-2009, 12:57 PM

I can hardly wait to see the screen caps and analysis from you guys of 316 ... hint:biggrin:

Sam G

02-19-2009, 01:25 PM

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/c2891efc262aff2b193b5d56e9f8be3f

What does this one say? Yellow, red and purple

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/eeb92aedc11bfe0ba1c596c61128ae42 blue, green, purple

Devera

02-19-2009, 01:44 PM

rthensley

02-19-2009, 03:02 PM

Whoa! Great catch, Sam.

OK. What am I missing?

Looks like a scene shot from different angles showing different boats in the harbor.

Lucidity

02-19-2009, 08:57 PM

rthensley >
BTW, the CMY (not sure where the K came from or what it stands for) would also apply to pigments/dyes....right? For example, the clothes worn by our Losties would fall under this CYM category.

The "K" stands for "key", which is the black. But pigments aren't manufactured using any colour system - each pigment has its own colour. That's why colour charts for paint are made with the actual pigments, because there is no colour-faithful alternative. Or materials are chosen from actual samples - same reason. But my earlier point is that pigments, even synthetic ones, CMYK print, and RGB on-screen output, all have the same result - a variation in the reflected light, i.e. colour, as perceived by the human eye. The human eye is totally oblivious to the system used to achieve any given colour, which is why I think that's the only "system" that counts for this discussion.

Sam G >
Red and Green have made themselves felt in the show, as blinking lights

Yeah? That's interesting.

Tramp >
Just curious -- and maybe I missed this earlier in the thread -- but do you see the resurrection/reincarnation that the O6 have to go through as literal or symbolic? I know Juliet had to be put under for her visit to the island, and as far as I know only Kate said she was awake for the whole crash of 815 (whatever that means). But the Freighties at least seem to have arrived without being rendered unconscious. So are we only talking about those who have left and try to return? I assume that's what you mean.

I think that it might be literal. That's not really something I've discussed much here though. I have two threads : "All my pasts and futures" and "The Jaws of Death" (link in my sig), where I've put that idea forward. Of course, the last Ep, 316, supports such a possibility too.

seaquelost >
Too many other people have arrived on the island without having to be "reborn".

The thing is, the only people we've seen travelling back and forth was between the freighter and Craphole, and I think the distinction is that they were already within the field of the Island. Now, how they got into the "snowglobe" is the question. The other case was the O6 leaving Craphole, but that also included an unseen moment, between the helicopter and the raft, and, also, the Island had gone altogether before they actually left its field.

Devera >
It's official. The colors of the show this season are black, white, blue, maroon/red, and purple. A lot of purple this episode. Sayid was rockin' it this week, along with pretty much everyone else.

I'm loving all the Black and White, especially. And yeah, loads of Purple. Sayid struck me as particularly unusual. On the subject of Black and White, I predicted that whatever it was Jack had to put in Locke's coffin would be White, and, of course, they were Black, so, next best thing, I'd say. I think it shows things are very different this time round. And hey, did you all see black-faced Kate? Things are going to be pretty dark, I think.

Sam,
We're going to have to wait for some better quality screencaps, but I bet that it says something interesting.

Devera

02-19-2009, 09:38 PM

I'm loving all the Black and White, especially. And yeah, loads of Purple. Sayid struck me as particularly unusual.

Me too! I mean, has he ever worn purple before?

PRE-AIRPORT

Mrs. Hawking, blue and white (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-79.html)

Desmond's jacket, which I didn't think was really this color, looks kind of purple, overshirt purple, undershirt white (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-129.html)

Ben in black at church/Lamppost (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-213.html) (traipses around in this scene lighting white candles and pointing out the Doubting Thomas painting)

Coffin room tinged green (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-412.html)?

Jack's grandpa in red (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-235.html) but he has a bluish-purple vest (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-241.html)

A very blue-purple scene between Jack and Kate (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-288.html)

Kate in neutral gray (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-322.html) This shirt seems to be tinged different things based on the scene.

Juice, it's an orange and yellow morning (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-332.html)...Jack and Kate are white/black/grey

AIRPORT/AIRPLANE

Jack in bar with woman in red/black hanging out near him (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-228.html)

Very yellow drink at bar (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-227.html)

Sayid suddenly adding brilliant purple to his all black warddrobe (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-455.html) (notice also that the marshall is wearing a red shirt)

Jack, purple-ish tie, purple-y blue suit/shirt combo (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-477.html) (Ajira Airlines personnel: red! Very red!)

Ben, in purple with red blood accents for the plane (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-497.html)

Hurley, brown with red cross (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-466.html) (It almost looks like he switches shirts, the color difference between scenes looks that dramatic...click to look at these close)

Hurley, VERY red with blue jean jacket (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-498.html) On the plane, this shirt turns very red. Click to look at it closely.

Kate's purple shades at airport (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-428.html)

Sun at airport, purple shirt, tan coat (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-446.html)

White and gold Frank Lapidus (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-547.html)

(http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-446.html)
POST-PLANE

Hurley's shirt looking brown again...maybe just lighting? (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-618.html) Or...?

Kate's in that neutral color that seems to change based on the scene (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-52.html)...a little violet tinge here but tinged other colors in other scenes

Lucidity

02-19-2009, 09:48 PM

I've already posted this on a couple of threads, so sorry to be repetitive, but it could be significant here too, in light of recent discussion of Black / White, Yin / Yang. Regarding the military photo I posted :

I guessed the significance of the date the second I saw it, but felt sure that someone would have posted it here already. Why make it 1 day out? Because the Autumn Equinox varies from year to year, mainly between the 22nd and the 23rd. In 1954 it fell on the 23rd. :cool:

What's even cooler (:cool::cool:) (:biggrin:) is that when I was looking up the dates I found a site that even gives the exact times and the time in 2004 was 16:30, and Des's System Failure printout showed 4:16, and we saw it was daytime, so 16:16. I reckon that 14 minute difference might be the "Event Window".

But yeah, I'd say the two things prove that the Autumn Equinox is significant.

So, why is it relevant here, because the Equinox is the time when the Sun (the White of the Yin Yang) is directly over the equator.

Devera >
I mean, has he ever worn purple before?

He did once. When he met that girl in Germany, Elsa - presumably Purple for Love.

Des's jacket does look Purple, doesn't it? That would be really cool, given all the Purple we saw him in the other day. The shirt's definitely Purple.

The Orange juice perhaps confirms that Kate is back to being an "Orange" - she always used to be, but went Blue when she had Aaron. Very cool that she loses him (presumably) and she's back to Orange.

But what could all the Purple be about? We've got Love as a Theme, and, I reckon, Time Travel as a Power - neither seem to fit.

Devera

02-19-2009, 09:56 PM

Ah yes, I remember now, the purple we got for love for Sayid that one time.

--
Going off of my red/blue stands in for black/white sub-theory...I'm guessing that the current meaning for purple comes from red + blue = purple. United, red and blue are purple, yin/yang together. Or I could be completely off base!

Roland Sanchez is really having to get creative now that is color palette is getting so limited...:)

Sam G

02-20-2009, 12:59 AM

I had "purple for passion" and that can go either way. Love/Hate

Devera

02-20-2009, 01:45 AM

I had "purple for passion" and that can go either way. Love/Hate

Hmm, Passion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion), including Passion (Christianity) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_%28Christianity%29), Passions (Philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passions_%28philosophy%29)), and Passion play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_play).

Christian color symbolism: here (http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back_to_basics/secret/christian_art.html)
Christian Symbols: Colors

White: Representative of purity and holiness, white is linked to Mary, the mother of Jesus, who traditionally is depicted as wearing white in paintings of the Immaculate Conception. In some instances, white is worn under robes of blue, as is the case in Bartolome Murillo’s painting of the Assumption.

Black: In Christian art, black is linked to mourning, evil and the underworld. This can be seen in Van der Goes’ The Fall, in which shadows are used to mourn Adam and Eve’s transgression. However, when paired with white, black is considered to be symbolic of humility.

Blue: Associated with Mary, blue in Christian art represents clarity and truth and is therefore also associated with heaven. Celebrated Renaissance artist Botticelli depicts Mary, Jesus Mother in a blue robe in his the Cestello Annunciation

Purple: This Christian symbol is associated with the feast of Easter and represents repentance and sorrow. Jesus is featured as wearing a purple robe in a sixteenth century depiction of the Crucifixion by Quentin Massys.

And just because it has a few interesting tidbits, Elizabethan purple (http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/color-purple.htm).

squid

02-20-2009, 07:47 AM

One thing that I thought was very interesting (and am surprised it hasn't generated more comment... but maybe I've missed something -- entirely possible, lol!) in 316 was the scene where Jack woke up in the jungle.. twice... once at the beginning of the show and again at the end... its been mentioned in another thread that for instance the dialogue is slightly different, but I've not been able to rewatch... has anyone compared the two very similar scenes for color differences? Might yeild some interesting insights...
squid

Liplocked

02-20-2009, 08:03 AM

Bishop's wear (and wore during Henry Tudor's time according to TV costume drama) purple, Devera. :smile: hiya squid! I'll be watching closely on Sunday night.

squid

02-20-2009, 08:29 AM

Thanks, Liplocked... looking forward to your comments.
squid

squid

02-20-2009, 09:40 AM

Squid,

The jungle where Jack land seems different both times. I'm also waiting until I have time to watch again this weekend.

you guys are the best... I really love this thread!
looking forward to what ya'll find out... the episode being bookened by those two scenes like seems more and more pointed the more I ponder it... I'm really hoping for some insights to come out of it all
squid

Lucidity

02-20-2009, 11:17 AM

On this idea that events changed, and I know this might just be a production issue, but Locke's note changes lettering slightly. Here it is (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/879e68a2122ee72d343411ed3024f0e4) before, and here it is (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/1befd6868e57e2a5be131ce8e546c8b4) after.

I was thinking about all of the Purple we saw, and, as I said yesterday, we have Purple for Love (or something thereabouts - perhaps Passion, as Sam suggests) and I suspect it might be Time Travel as a Power. Well, it has only just occurred to me - they did travel in time, didn't they? I was also wondering about the groupings - Sayid, Ben and some of the non-Losties were in Purples and Mauves, and, of course, they're apparently not with Hurley, Jack and Kate. Could that be relevant?

The main thing I wanted to post about is "faith". When I first suggested the Losties had Powers, I always described it as "fields of influence" in which they were able to "will things to happen". Well, in Ep 316 we got a couple of clues that might take us in that direction.

We had the "Doubting Thomas" picture and the biblical quote, John 3.16 :

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

So "eternal life" for those who "believe in him" - faith.

Then we had Hawking's litttle pep talk with Jack :

Oh, stop thinking how ridiculous it is and start asking yourself whether or not you believe it's going to work. That's why it's called a leap of faith, Jack.

So was that the key, Jack wanting it to happen, believing it would. Is that perhaps why the others are nowhere to be seen, because they didn't really want to go back? Because let's not forget Ben's line to Jack before his operation :

I want you to want to save my life.

A couple of screencaps before I go. I'm going to have to rewatch the Ep before I do proper notes on it, but I love this Blue glow behind Jack (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/8283e4c1e27fcdbe16d5d09731edf758) and this Purple one round Desmond (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/f4b6331c0329acc261a972ad6bbe4f62). At least, I'd say it's Purple. Do people agree? There seemed to be a lot of Blue following Jack around.

edit :
I completely forgot to mention the best bit on this subject of "willing things to happen", could that be why the bit of paper that Jack was left with simply read "I wish"?

BeLu

02-20-2009, 11:13 PM

Lucidity;
A couple of screencaps before I go. I'm going to have to rewatch the Ep before I do proper notes on it, but I love this Blue glow behind Jack (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/8283e4c1e27fcdbe16d5d09731edf758) and this Purple one round Desmond (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/f4b6331c0329acc261a972ad6bbe4f62). At least, I'd say it's Purple. Do people agree? There seemed to be a lot of Blue following Jack around.

I was totally going to mention Jack and the blue light - that scene is quite dramatic, Ms. Hawkings talks to him and he walks over to where all the blue light (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-170.html) is. He must need his fix (wow, that was a bad pun... not intentional) Here's some more blue light on Jack at the bar (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-229.html). And hey! even more blue lighting for Jack (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-281.html), at his apartment.

Speaking of blue lights, I finally figured out what that blue candle at my church means (sorry if no one besides me cares!) It's for prayer for the Holy Land. Maybe Ben was praying for his "holy land"...

Lucidity

02-21-2009, 07:51 PM

BeLu,
I wanted to say the lighting at Jack's was Blue too, but I didn't know if I was half-imagining it.

And I'm glad you've solved the mystery of the blue candles. "The Mystery of the Blue Candles" sounds like it ought to be an Agatha Christie story.

Well, I've finally done the last couple of pages for S5. I don't know if you guys tend to look at them or not. I know plenty of people do, from the web statistics, but I don't know if it's posters or "lurkers", as they call themselves. Anyway, I was going to say there's something interesting at the end of the 316 page that's worth checking out.

Here's a little index :
Because You Left (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Because%20You%20Left.htm)
The Lie (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Lie.htm)
Jughead (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Jughead.htm)
The Little Prince (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Little%20Prince.htm)
This Place is Death (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/This%20Place%20Is%20Death.htm)
316 (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/316.htm)

Season 4 (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Season%204.htm)

Devera

02-22-2009, 01:46 AM

I check out your site once you have posted for a new episode.

I agree about the blue and purple glows mentioned above. It seems lights are getting more obviously colorful. The scenes with Jack and Kate were almost pure blue, like someone tinted everything in the scene blue.

Liplocked

02-22-2009, 11:12 AM

squid

02-23-2009, 11:55 AM

just some probably not important observations.
I rewatched the first and last scene of 316 at the lagoon and for some reason thought that Jack's shirt was slightly different but my screen doesn't have that great a resolution
Also it seems to clearly be two different iterations because of Jack's eyes...
in the scene where he comes home to find Kate I noticed a couple of red things on the counter and the top of a wine bottle in the back ground but the actual scene with Kate was very murky and blue
and I saw no red

also I couldn't get a read on the colors of the flashes on the plane right before we see them at the lagoon the second time. I'm guessing they were close enough geographically to be caught in the last flash before Locke fixed the donkey wheel, but I'm not a detail person and could be totally out to lunch on that

squid

Sam G

02-23-2009, 02:40 PM

squid

02-23-2009, 02:46 PM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=123797&fullsize=1 "316 in the beginning"
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124400&fullsize=1 "316 at the end"

I haven't looked at all the caps but this is the from the beginning and the end, they look to be the same.

those pics are much better than what I had seen, it looked alot lighter in the first pic in the version I had... thanks for the clarificaiton
squid

Sam G

02-23-2009, 07:30 PM

I would still look out for things like this.

BeLu

02-23-2009, 08:35 PM

I look at your site every now and then, Lucidity.

There's some interesting stuff on the page for 316, and I'd like to hear some further thoughts. Your "crazy thought of the day" is that perhaps some of the people are reincarnations of biblical figures, and suggest that perhaps Ms. Hawkings is the Virgin Mary? At least, you suggest someone is the Virgin Mary, and then there is a picture of Ms. Hawkings with a statue of Mary behind her in the same color scheme of clothing. What exactly do you mean with this idea?

I was intrigued by the painting behind Kate as well, and thought the yellow color of it suggested something associated with her, but I don't know what it might mean. The previous painting of a figure in the water (back in Something Nice Back Home) clearly echoes the shot of Christian Shepherd in the water. Any similar scenes to the yellow painting in this episode? Kate is sitting with her back to it, and the figure in the painting also has his/her? back to the viewers... is this something having to do with Kate "turning her back" on Aaron?

Also, Lucidity, there's some interesting stuff on that page with the Ajira airline ticket... but why do you connect orange with Ajira? The color scheme for Ajira seems to concentrate on Red, and the ticket has red on it as well.

Devera

02-23-2009, 09:12 PM

Also, Lucidity, there's some interesting stuff on that page with the Ajira airline ticket... but why do you connect orange with Ajira? The color scheme for Ajira seems to concentrate on Red, and the ticket has red on it as well.

I also thought Ajira looked unquestionably red, which is one main reason why I tend to think that they are all "in on it" or involved in some con of the '05 on the airplane.

Lucidity

02-24-2009, 03:14 PM

Liplocked >
It's good to see you're still on the colour case, but for whom did Ben light his candle I wonder?

Good question! Could that be evidence that the infamous Annie is still alive?

squid and Sam,
I'm going to have to rewatch the beginning and end of 316 because everyone's talking about the differences, but, to be honest, I didn't notice them. Other than the obvious differences in editing. If the eyes change that is surely proof that there's a clue in there - they wouldn't film something so tricky twice for no reason.

BeLu >
There's some interesting stuff on the page for 316, and I'd like to hear some further thoughts. Your "crazy thought of the day" is that perhaps some of the people are reincarnations of biblical figures, and suggest that perhaps Ms. Hawkings is the Virgin Mary? At least, you suggest someone is the Virgin Mary, and then there is a picture of Ms. Hawkings with a statue of Mary behind her in the same color scheme of clothing. What exactly do you mean with this idea?

Yeah, I did mean Hawking. There were just certain similarities in their clothes, Colours and stance that made me wonder. And, of course, there was that shot of Desmond next to the statue of Jesus. I don't suggest they are actually these biblical figures, just that perhaps they share a bloodline. Isn't that what's at the root of The Da Vinci Code? That Mary's bloodline continues even today?

I was intrigued by the painting behind Kate as well, and thought the yellow color of it suggested something associated with her, but I don't know what it might mean. The previous painting of a figure in the water (back in Something Nice Back Home) clearly echoes the shot of Christian Shepherd in the water. Any similar scenes to the yellow painting in this episode? Kate is sitting with her back to it, and the figure in the painting also has his/her? back to the viewers... is this something having to do with Kate "turning her back" on Aaron?

I hadn't thought of that, that perhaps it reflects a scene we've seen in the same way the other one did. I'll give that some thought. I prefer that to "Kate turning her back" - I really don't think she did.

Also, Lucidity, there's some interesting stuff on that page with the Ajira airline ticket... but why do you connect orange with Ajira? The color scheme for Ajira seems to concentrate on Red, and the ticket has red on it as well.

The Bagua segment they have on the ticket corresponds, through our Coloured Bagua (on the index page for the website) with the Orange segment. Only that. But as I said on the 316 page, I don't put too much faith in those Colour - Bagua correlations.

Devera,
I took the Ajira colour-scheme as Mauve, which, within the simplified Colour Scheme used here, would be Purple. Given all the Purple we saw worn on the flight it would match up well, even if I have no idea what the Purple represents!

squid

02-24-2009, 03:21 PM

Luc
if it was me that you got the eyes changing colors, I didn't mean that, I was referring to the first scene where he opens his eyes wide once like in the pilot and the last scene where he opens them quite a number times blinking rapidly... if there was difference in eye color I didn't see it...
sorry for any confusion...
squid

Lucidity

02-24-2009, 03:32 PM

No, I hadn't misunderstood you. I meant that I hadn't really looked at anything too carefully within those scenes yet. But, like I said, if there is a difference in the shots of Jack's eye I'd say that proves it was deliberate, not just editing. For me that would be a pretty major clue, probably pointing, as everyone is saying, in the direction of it being two different events..

Devera

02-24-2009, 03:42 PM

I think it's a POV thing...I'm going to just have to agree to disagree on the Ajira Airlines color. I think all the rest of the purple makes the fact that they are wearing red even more obvious. This one isn't like Penny's pink shirt where I was like "okay, it was a questionable in between color, I can see it."

Google image search for various mauve images (http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&q=mauve&btnG=Search+Images)
Ajira red (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-493.html) The red is a stark contrast to the rest of the purple people on the plane ("purple people on the plane"--say that three times fast!)

Sam G

02-24-2009, 03:52 PM

Being a complete color snob :biggrin: I think the uniforms are Burgundy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgundy_(color) ) a combination of purple and red

What Ben is wearing would fall into mauve for me.http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124292&fullsize=1

Devera

02-24-2009, 03:57 PM

Hmmm. Burgundy does look like the color...which your Wikipedia link describes as both "a shade of red" and "a purplish red."

Lucidity

02-24-2009, 09:04 PM

Yeah, that's what I was seeing, Burgundy. But like I said before, our Colour System has to simplify, categories, and I see Burgundy as falling with the Purple category. Believe me, the Red category would make a hell of a lot more sense for the story.

Devera

02-24-2009, 09:24 PM

To me it looks still looks red, not purple, but considering the Wikipedia description, it could go either way at this point, I suppose.

Man, can you imagine if they had a color scheme as complicated as burgundy meaning something different than purple or red? That would be way too complicated even for LOST. :D

BeLu

02-24-2009, 10:58 PM

Devera;2104964]To me it looks still looks red, not purple, but considering the Wikipedia description, it could go either way at this point, I suppose.

Man, can you imagine if they had a color scheme as complicated as burgundy meaning something different than purple or red? That would be way too complicated even for LOST. :D

I'm with you Devera. Totally red. Purplish red is still red. Now, if it was reddish purple... hoo doggies, that would be a different story!

Sam G

02-25-2009, 02:10 AM

Hum....I see it as the combination of deception and passion.

Lucidity

02-25-2009, 03:12 PM

Teal 2 : The Revenge :biggrin:
For those of you that don't know, or remember, there was a lot of talk around the time of Claire's birth, and since, about whether Teal is a Blue or a Green. Now we've got whether Mauve is a Red or a Purple.

As I said the other day, Red would definitely work better for the theory - with all of the Red / Blue combos we've seen it would set up the opposites idea nicely - Oceanic was Blue, Ajira is Red. But also the Coloured Bagua in general, where we've got Blue and Purple on one side, Oceanic-ish, and Red and Orange on the other, and Ajira definitely has the Orange element.

Devera

02-25-2009, 04:41 PM

Nah, the debate is whether it's burgundy is red or purple. Mauve is a different color entirely. ;)

I agree there is also a bit of yellow/orange connection with Ajira, if you look at their logo those are the accent colors.

:note:Ahhh, I love the colorful clothes she wears...:note: And I love LOST color theorizing...
...

Very much looking forward to the episode tonight!

Lucidity

02-25-2009, 09:24 PM

Okay, just watched the enhanced edition of 316, and I agree it's more Red than anything else. The uniforms themselves are perhaps Mauve Burgundy, but the sleeve the the tickets are in, for example, and other bits and pieces are definitely Red.

As I mentioned earlier, Red / Orange forms a nice opposite to Oceanic's Blue / Purple Colour Scheme. Well, watching the enhanced version of 316 I noticed another opposite. It might be coincidence, but the O6ers have all sat on opposite sides of the plane. We don't know which side Sayid and Sun were sat on on 815, but Jack was on the right-hand side and now he's on the left, while Kate and Hurley were on the left-hand side and now they're on the right.

Okay, watching Jeremy Bentham . . .

Blue and Red have switched. Seriously. Widmore was always about Red, now he's dressed in Blue. And Locke's pre-Island wheelchair was Blue, now it's Red.

Devera

02-26-2009, 09:15 PM

In the most recent podcast (2/26),Damon answered my question which was "word association as relates to LOST." (Great podcast all around, by the way--made my day).

For Sewing Kit theorists, I threw a color on my word list--purple. Damon answered: "Jin."

Podcast here: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/ind...podcast#t=3421 (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421)

(Warning: some typical spoiler-y hints in the podcast as per usual, for those who avoid spoilers to that extent.)

Briolette

02-26-2009, 09:51 PM

Red? Blue? Lost is an Anaglyph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_image)?

jane_eire

02-27-2009, 07:53 AM

Red? Blue? Lost is an Anaglyph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_image)?

Yes, Bri, that's right.

Most 3D flicks these days use polarized light to achieve their effects. The image for the left eye is shown with vertically polarized light, while the image for the right eye is displayed with horizontally polarized light. The left and right lenses of the special glasses filter out the images appropriately.

So, we are seeing two shows for the price of one. The left may not know what the right is doing. To think of Lost in loops, you might want to consider running one of the loops in the left hemisphere of the brain (the visible loop) and running the hidden loops in the right hemisphere of the brain. If you want a stereoscopic experience, that is.

Devera

02-27-2009, 11:19 AM

Yes, Bri, that's right.

Most 3D flicks these days use polarized light to achieve their effects. The image for the left eye is shown with vertically polarized light, while the image for the right eye is displayed with horizontally polarized light. The left and right lenses of the special glasses filter out the images appropriately.

So, we are seeing two shows for the price of one. The left may not know what the right is doing. To think of Lost in loops, you might want to consider running one of the loops in the left hemisphere of the brain (the visible loop) and running the hidden loops in the right hemisphere of the brain. If you want a stereoscopic experience, that is.

I like your find, Bri, and also jane's interpretation. Another red/blue connection!

Edit to add: Speaking of red/blue...new character Caesar was wearing a blue shirt and Ilana was wearing a red shirt. Interesting to note in conjunction with Lucidity's "opposites" comment, Caesar was deceiving Ilana about the gun while wearing said blue shirt.

rthensley

02-27-2009, 11:45 AM

"The current norm is red for one channel (usually the left) and a combination of both blue and green in the other filter. That equal combination is called cyan in technical circles, or blue-green."

From the same link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_image) referenced above.

Jangras

02-27-2009, 12:44 PM

In the most recent podcast (2/26),Damon answered my question which was "word association as relates to LOST." (Great podcast all around, by the way--made my day).

For Sewing Kit theorists, I threw a color on my word list--purple. Damon answered: "Jin."

Podcast here: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/ind...podcast#t=3421 (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421)

..Just listened and the question is: are Lindelof and Curse the reincarnation of Beavis and Butthead?

BeLu

02-28-2009, 04:20 PM

Devera, I wondered if that was your question on the podcast! Very fun!

So I just rewatched the Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham, and I was struck by the amount of primary colors, and also the amount of black and white.
There are a whole bunch of red things in the background of this episode: while Widmore and Lock are talking outside, there are various people wandering around with red clothing on, the flag is red on the building, and the medical sign is in red. Abbadon's shirt is very small red and black stripes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-65.html). Lots of red trim (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-81.html) behind Locke as he talks to Walt. Abbadon now in blue. Hurley is in a very red bathrobe, painting with red paintbrushes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-98.html), no less. The red extension cord (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-202.html) of doom - i believe it had a black stripe in it too.

Sayid in his yellow (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-77.html)shirt - which had blue writing on the back.
Yellow (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-84.html) firehydrant infront of Walt - there is also a woman in a yellow coat that passes in the background about three times; lots of yellow taxis in this scene too. Walt is rocking his purple puffy vest in that same scene. Ben was wearing a very red tie in that scene.
A yellow lamp (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-163.html) next to Jack.

Widmore is in a blue (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-67.html)shirt. Ben later in blue and black (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-210.html). He wore green gloves while he was cleaning up the scene of the crime. Okay, so that doesn't seem to be as much blue as I remembered, that's all I could remember!

Locke was in a plain white shirt at both the beginning and the end. Also his black suit with black shoes. Wow, not many amazing examples for white and black... but there really was alot of it!
Oh, Ilana (or however you spell her name), had on black with a red shrit.

Kate in a purple/mauve (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-123.html) shirt.

Lucidity

02-28-2009, 10:27 PM

Devera >
In the most recent podcast (2/26),Damon answered my question which was "word association as relates to LOST." (Great podcast all around, by the way--made my day).

For Sewing Kit theorists, I threw a color on my word list--purple. Damon answered: "Jin."

I couldn't believe it when I heard it. Thanks so much for including a Colour. :thumbsup:
When I first heard his answer I thought that it made no sense, and I actually felt that in one word he had totally debunked this theory - when have we ever associated Jin with Purple. But then something occurred to me - why would he associate ANYONE with a Colour unless there's something to this theory. So now I actually see it as supporting evidence for the theory. Or at least evidence that Damon Lindelof is aware of the thread!

Why Jin? Well, maybe he is a Purple after all. Or perhaps it's about Purple for Love - the Jin / Sun reunion being a big theme this Season.

Anyway, thanks again Devera.

Briolette >
Red? Blue? Lost is an Anaglyph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_image)?

I woke up this morning with a bit of a hangover and the pictures on that link weren't helping. :biggrin:
But it's definitely interesting stuff - and it plays into the whole "2 sides" idea.

Devera >
Edit to add: Speaking of red/blue...new character Caesar was wearing a blue shirt and Ilana was wearing a red shirt. Interesting to note in conjunction with Lucidity's "opposites" comment, Caesar was deceiving Ilana about the gun while wearing said blue shirt.

I just mentioned exactly that on the page for the Ep : The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Life%20and%20Death%20of%20Jeremy%20Bentham.h tm).

Jangras >
..Just listened and the question is: are Lindelof and Curse the reincarnation of Beavis and Butthead?

I find them hilarious. It's exactly my sort of sense of humour.

BeLu >
There are a whole bunch of red things in the background of this episode: while Widmore and Lock are talking outside, there are various people wandering around with red clothing on, the flag is red on the building, and the medical sign is in red. Abbadon's shirt is very small red and black stripes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-65.html). Lots of red trim (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-81.html) behind Locke as he talks to Walt. Abbadon now in blue. Hurley is in a very red bathrobe, painting with red paintbrushes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-98.html), no less. The red extension cord (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1469-202.html) of doom - i believe it had a black stripe in it too.

Yeah, loads and loads of Red. What I wonder is whether Red / Blue represent the same "2 sides" as Black / White, or if they're a different thing altogether.

Devera

02-28-2009, 11:36 PM

I couldn't believe it when I heard it. Thanks so much for including a Colour. :thumbsup:
When I first heard his answer I thought that it made no sense, and I actually felt that in one word he had totally debunked this theory - when have we ever associated Jin with Purple. But then something occurred to me - why would he associate ANYONE with a Colour unless there's something to this theory. So now I actually see it as supporting evidence for the theory. Or at least evidence that Damon Lindelof is aware of the thread!

Why Jin? Well, maybe he is a Purple after all. Or perhaps it's about Purple for Love - the Jin / Sun reunion being a big theme this Season.

Anyway, thanks again Devera.

Yeah, after my question was chosen after years of submitting questions every now and then (I was stunned and happy), I kind of wished I had included more colors, but then again if I had focused on one thing or theory maybe they would have been on to me and wouldn't have chosen the question. ;)

I chose purple because they have been so obviously promoting purple this season, even wearing it in their interviews...I was hoping we would get "passion" or "time travel" or some such thing for purple, but actually the answer was really informative anyway. There was slight hesitation on some of the responses, but Purple/Jin was one where he didn't even seem to have to think...it sounded like an automatic response, which was very interesting to me and (I thought) proves yet again that the colors mean something. A "normal" person would associate "purple" with flowers or fruit...the last thing a non-color theorist would say in a LOST-related word association when asked to give an answer for "purple" would be a guy. Therefore, I conclude that Damon Lindelof has a color theory for LOST. ;)

In my opinion, while it wouldn't have been the answer I expected, it isn't an answer that doesn't make sense. Jin truly does exemplify love...just look at his sacrifice for Sun and the baby when we last saw him interacting with Locke. We'll have to keep an eye out for Jin and purple, I guess.

Also potentially of note, although less obviously tied to the color theories, is the answer for "orange juice," which was Juliet. The association with Juliet does have an obvious plot correlation, however--her coming to the island after drinking orange juice--so isn't as reliable.

Sam G

02-28-2009, 11:49 PM

When Damon responded Jin to Purple it made complete sense to me.

Devera

02-28-2009, 11:52 PM

When Damon responded Jin to Purple it made complete sense to me.

Yes...I think I would have guessed Jack, mainly since I'm on a Jack-is-our-shepherd kick, but Jin's character definitely makes sense as a purple.

eddypots

03-01-2009, 01:31 AM

Wooow I never imagined he did actually compared a colour with a person!!

Purpule->Jin...

Lucidity's theory claims Purpule to be the colour of Love...
I think there could be more than "a feeling" on this definition.

Purple beams, are known to have a high frecuency, being harmful for the human. Also, on the expectrum, "the purple zone" becomes invisible for the human's eye, and thus dangerous.
Is the colour of the limit, is considerated the "extreme colour"...

Jin, has always played the role of the saviour amongst the losties, in every single season (he's been the only constant in this by the way, he takes his life to the limit):
1.- He took the spot in the raft, barely speaking english, in order to save the rest of the people's lives.
2.- He went after Michael when he desperately run into the jungle to find Walt. He went with Sayid and Sun in order to save Jack, Kate and Sawyer's lives...
3.- He went after Mikhail when he was the only one who realized he had taken Naomi's phone. He stayed with Sayid and Bernard in the ambush against the Others in order to save the rest of the people's lives.
4.- He stayed with Michael and Desmond in the freighter when freezing the C-4 in order to save the rest of the people's lives.
5.- He is a survivor! And I expect him to save the rest of the people's (lefties, O6, and 316)'s lives as well!

He's been a constant for the security of the rest, and I believe that's what purple is about. He is like the RAMBO or the 007 from the show...

Lucidity

03-01-2009, 01:25 PM

Yeah, Jin as Purple / Love makes loads of sense. It was the whole Purple / Time Travel "Power" idea that threw me completely.

But as I said yesterday, and others have said since, just the fact that he associated a Colour with a person is, in itself, pretty huge.

It's funny reading your list, eddy, because I'd never been a particular fan of Jin and just the other day I started thinking his character is getting pretty cool, and that made me think back to the things he's done.

I know it's a question more for the TT threads, but I really do wonder, just on a simple level, if Jin had met Rousseau before, or if that past event is newly "inserted".

Changing the subject, from the Promos for the next Ep . . .

There's a new character, Amy, and we'll see her pregnant. And there are a lot of theories (not Spoilers) suggesting that Sawyer will be the father, and that all of this will happen in the "3 years" before Sawyer and Kate's timelines match up. Anyway, there's another scene of Sawyer saving a girl with a sack on her head and, again, many believe it's the same girl and that's how they met. Well, what interests me is that the girl Sawyer saves and the pregnant girl are both wearing Pink - could that be her Colour? It reminded me of Sawyer's line about wearing Pink in the 80s - could the period in which they have a baby be the 80s?

And of course, it could be another "special" baby.

Briolette

03-01-2009, 03:39 PM

Red? Blue? Lost is an Anaglyph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_image)?

...
I woke up this morning with a bit of a hangover and the pictures on that link weren't helping. :biggrin:
But it's definitely interesting stuff - and it plays into the whole "2 sides" idea.
...

I don't keep up on many of the threads, but I certainly knew where to bring the anaglyph! :eek2:
Opps... it could be a head pounder, sorry! :redface:

Sam G

03-01-2009, 04:24 PM

Color snob again I'd call Amy's (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1471-0.html) color mauve.

Lucidity

03-01-2009, 05:50 PM

Sam,
I can definitely see what you mean about the Colour in the Spoiler. I'd say between Pink and Mauve. But if we assume our choice of Colours is Pink or Purple, for the purposes of the Colour Code, I'd say this one is a Pink, personally.

Briolette >
I don't keep up on many of the threads, but I certainly knew where to bring the anaglyph! :eek2:
Opps... it could be a head pounder, sorry! :redface:

Serves me right for having a pint too many !

JohnnyREB1977

03-01-2009, 06:01 PM

Hey y'all,

I haven't posted on this theory since the first Sewing Kit thread, but BeLu brought up somethin' I wanted to comment on. It may be nothin', but I found it interestin'.

There are a whole bunch of red things in the background of this episode: while Widmore and Lock are talking outside, there are various people wandering around with red clothing on, the flag is red on the building, and the medical sign is in red. Abbadon's shirt is very small red and black stripes. Lots of red trim behind Locke as he talks to Walt. Abbadon now in blue. Hurley is in a very red bathrobe, painting with red paintbrushes, no less. The red extension cord of doom - i believe it had a black stripe in it too.

Wikipedia's stub article on the phrase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_(signal)) states that: "Red flag" is a semi-official term to denote various attention and awareness indicators and signals, both explicit and implicit. It can used in various contexts usually as a warning or when things seem too good to be true[1] as well as unexpectedly good results

So, if Red is deception, then perhaps that whole scene was "too good to be true"?

squid

03-01-2009, 06:08 PM

Sam,
I can definitely see what you mean about the Colour in the Spoiler. I'd say between Pink and Mauve. But if we assume our choice of Colours is Pink or Purple, for the purposes of the Colour Code, I'd say this one is a Pink, personally.

Serves me right for having a pint too many !

Lucidity,
Is your thinking that the blending of colors make the secondary color take on the full characteristics of the primaries that have combined to make it? Or is it seen as having its characteristics entirely independent of its components?

Also, I was wondering if there is usually/always a dominant color scheme with a character or scene or do colors supplement or cancel each other out... ie... green neutralizes red, blue neutralizes yellow... etc... does that make any sense?

JohnnyREB1977
interesting observation

squid

Lucidity

03-01-2009, 06:36 PM

Hey Johnny :thumbsup:
"Too good to be true" certainly sounds like Deception, doesn't it. When I watched that scene that BeLu is describing I did think that the flag was the most blatant of the Red bits. There's something written on it too - I'd love to know what it says. The other day Sam pointed out a boat with the word "Illusion" written in Red - Illusion is even closer to "too good to be true".

squid >
Is your thinking that the blending of colors make the secondary color take on the full characteristics of the primaries that have combined to make it? Or is it seen as having its characteristics entirely independent of its components?

Are you talking about Colours like mauve, burgundy, teal . . ? With those Colours, personally, I'm of the opinion that they either don't have any significance or they fall into one of the main Colour categories : Blue, Orange, Green, Purple, Pink, Red, Black and White. For example, though many disagree, I suspect Yellow is used in the exact same way as Orange, within Lost, I mean. When I say they "don't have any significance" I mean that if somneone is wearing a shirt that is so light Blue you can hardly tell it's Blue at all, I'd say it wasn't intentionally Blue. If they use a Colour like a tone of teal that is so ambiguous it could be a Green, it could be a Blue, I'd say it's neither. If they'd wanted us to see it as Blue, for example, they'd have chosen a different top.

Of course, Aaron's birth was in teal, when Green is the birth Colour, but in S5, when Sayer saw the scene, it struck me they'd enhanced the Green. For side-by-side screencaps look at the page for The Little Prince (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Little%20Prince.htm).

Also, I was wondering if there is usually/always a dominant color scheme with a character or scene or do colors supplement or cancel each other out... ie... green neutralizes red, blue neutralizes yellow... etc... does that make any sense?

Yes, it makes sense, but it's not something I've ever felt we were seeing. It's a very similar concept - balance, yin yang, but that's more what I read when I see all of this Blue and Red in the same scene, for example. Like I say, very similar to what you're describing, but I just see it more as "Which side will win?", "Which way will it go?"

squid

03-01-2009, 06:53 PM

Hey Johnny :thumbsup:
"Too good to be true" certainly sounds like Deception, doesn't it. When I watched that scene that BeLu is describing I did think that the flag was the most blatant of the Red bits. There's something written on it too - I'd love to know what it says. The other day Sam pointed out a boat with the word "Illusion" written in Red - Illusion is even closer to "too good to be true".

Are you talking about Colours like mauve, burgundy, teal . . ? With those Colours, personally, I'm of the opinion that they either don't have any significance or they fall into one of the main Colour categories : Blue, Orange, Green, Purple, Pink, Red, Black and White. For example, though many disagree, I suspect Yellow is used in the exact same way as Orange, within Lost, I mean. When I say they "don't have any significance" I mean that if somneone is wearing a shirt that is so light Blue you can hardly tell it's Blue at all, I'd say it wasn't intentionally Blue. If they use a Colour like a tone of teal that is so ambiguous it could be a Green, it could be a Blue, I'd say it's neither. If they'd wanted us to see it as Blue, for example, they'd have chosen a different top.

Of course, Aaron's birth was in teal, when Green is the birth Colour, but in S5, when Sayer saw the scene, it struck me they'd enhanced the Green. For side-by-side screencaps look at the page for The Little Prince (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Little%20Prince.htm).

Yes, it makes sense, but it's not something I've ever felt we were seeing. It's a very similar concept - balance, yin yang, but that's more what I read when I see all of this Blue and Red in the same scene, for example. Like I say, very similar to what you're describing, but I just see it more as "Which side will win?", "Which way will it go?"

thanks for the explanation... especially the balance aspect. I tend to agree with orange and yellow maybe being the same one, obviously yellow is primary and orange secondary (at least for pigments) The others such as teal and mauve are really much more difficult to categorize because I guess they'd be categorized as tertiary? Mauve (aka puce), mixture of pink (red and white) and purple or blue depending on the tone and Teal is even more difficult to categorize...
well, I'm rambling and my four year old is "helping" me type this, so I'll try to add more coherent speculation later...

squid

JohnnyREB1977

03-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Hey Johnny
"Too good to be true" certainly sounds like Deception, doesn't it. When I watched that scene that BeLu is describing I did think that the flag was the most blatant of the Red bits. There's something written on it too - I'd love to know what it says. The other day Sam pointed out a boat with the word "Illusion" written in Red - Illusion is even closer to "too good to be true".

Hey Luc,

Now I'm not so sure about it *L*. I took a look at a pic with the flag (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124640&fullsize=1) and it looks like it may be the national flag of Tunisia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Tunisia). I guess it still could be a nod to this bein' a "red flag" situation.

Lucidity

03-01-2009, 07:10 PM

Oooh, even better - I think it's the Tunisian flag REVERSED.

I say "even better" because as I've mentioned lately, I get the impression we're seeing a lot of things reversed recently. I know Mirror Images has been a topic since Day 1, but it strikes me in the last couple of Eps they have been particularly relevant. For example, the people that we saw sitting on Oceanic 815 and that returned on Ajira 316 (Kate, Jack, Hurley) were all sitting on the opposite side of the plane. Or Christian wearing White shoes, Locke wearing Black (both provided by Jack).

Sam G

03-01-2009, 07:30 PM

When I'm considering the colors like mauve or light green or blue, I equal it to intensity. The darker the color the more intense the meaning, if that makes sense.

squid

03-01-2009, 08:18 PM

When I'm considering the colors like mauve or light green or blue, I equal it to intensity. The darker the color the more intense the meaning, if that makes sense.
It makes perfect sense to me that depth of a color would indicate more than a pale version...rather like indicating "forte" vs. "piano" in music. I'm thinking that intensity or saturation would probably also indicate the same type of scaled meaning... I'm remembering the picture frame Claire's mom held with the red frame, that wasn't what I'd call a deep hue but it was an intense one...

squid

Devera

03-01-2009, 09:21 PM

When I'm considering the colors like mauve or light green or blue, I equal it to intensity. The darker the color the more intense the meaning, if that makes sense.

This idea makes sense to me. Daniel was wearing a light blue shirt awhile ago, which put him in the protection mode, but it wasn't like Jack or Claire running around with a blue shirt the first few seasons where it was all "hello I'm blue." In other words, if we miss it, no big deal.

Lucidity

03-02-2009, 07:30 PM

Devera >
it was all "hello I'm blue."

:rotflmao2: That really tickled me. I can't help imagining Jack saying it in a really camp voice.

But getting back on topic, I can definitely see the sense to the degree of the "message" being reflected in the tone.

Lucidity

03-04-2009, 08:04 PM

Spoiler-fonted for those who haven't seen the Ep yet . . .

Some interesting Colours :
Best of all was Juliet in Purple when it's revealed her and Sawyer are in love
Alpert still in Blue
The Sonic Fence is Green, makes sense as it kills
But a really weird one, little Charlotte was in a really bright Red dress - any ideas? My first thought was that it somehow wasn't real.

And going back to a very old topic here, the idea that their "Powers" are fields of influence in which they can will things to happen. Juliet managed to deliver an Island baby, and then thanked Sawyer for believing in her. And is it just me, or are her eyes especially Blue this Ep?

Devera

03-05-2009, 02:14 AM

Some very interesting colors.

Amy was all over pink. I still associate pink with Shannon, not sure what it means.

Juliet was in in purple for the reveal with Sawyer...Sawyer was in oddly neutral colors the whole episode that I can remember.

Sawyer went up to a garden full of flowers of every color, picked a...yellow? one for Juliet.

Sam pointed out the donkey wheel isn't green in this version with Locke. Hmmm.

I don't know why Charlotte was in red. Maybe there is something else going on? When I was rereading parts of Through the Looking Glass, and What Alice Found There I saw some parallels between Charlotte and the Red Queen...

Sam G

03-05-2009, 02:25 AM

They are deceiving us, making us think it's Charlotte or there is something deceptive about Charlotte. (like her age.)

Lucidity

03-05-2009, 07:31 AM

Sam G >
They are deceiving us, making us think it's Charlotte or there is something deceptive about Charlotte. (like her age.)

Yeah, it could be that. What I was thinking is how we've seen the Red flowers associated with Smokey, and I wondered if Charlotte appearing like that might be an indication that that's how Smokey will "approach" Faraday. As Yemi was used with Eko.

I would never have thought it watching the Ep, but just looking at the screencaps and, is Sawyer wearing a dark Purple too? During the Ep I took it as brown, but as I say, now I'm seeing a Purple-ish Colour to it. Here it is (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/2c924c603edb0f159708fdddb308603f).

Another one that I'd read about but not seen is from Jeremy Bentham - the Black and White pills (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/Sa0SszyBPMI/AAAAAAAAPYA/BnmYYPf0MCs/s1600-h/black+white+pills.jpg) Locke is given.

Sam G

03-05-2009, 09:31 AM

That's what screen caps will do for you. (The Pills)

Sawyer's shirt (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=125517&fullsize=1), mauve (to me). Version of Purple, again (mild passion/love)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-517.html Juliet mauve

Devera

03-05-2009, 11:38 AM

Onscreen it looked mostly brown, but I agree that Sawyer's shirt is light purple/mauve in screen caps. I like the pattern, too--circles and flowers. Juliet's is definitely purple. :)

Wow, they even have flowers on the picture on the wall behind them. Flower symbols much? ;)

Sam G

03-05-2009, 02:32 PM

Promo caps next episode Promo caps (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/03/episode-5x09-namaste-promo-pics.html)

The Red canoe of deception and Sayid in a yellow chair

BeLu

03-05-2009, 11:01 PM

I was pretty excited to see Amy and (dead) Paul having a picnic in a ring of flowers (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-196.html) (not a very good shot - but I couldn't miss them in the episode), red and yellow - i remember seeing some orange flowers while watching as well. We haven't seen island flowers like that in a long time. I miss the days when they showed up with Smokey. *sigh*

e.t.a here's another shot of the flowers (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-190.html).

Devera

03-05-2009, 11:42 PM

Here's Sawyer noticing the bunch of flowers before bringing one into Juliet:

Orange, orange, orange (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-489.html) (and to be fair, a little bit of pink and white hiding under all that orange)
When he goes into pick them, you see more of the orange, more of the pink, and the yellow daisies (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-492.html)
Sawyer's yellow and orange daisy (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-493.html)

Danger, folks. Otherton looks like a Utopia, but it's not, even back in the 70s.

Edit to add: For those who aren't reading both this thread and the quest thread--and also haven't read the LeFleur? (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=109106) thread, here is a post I wrote on the flowers (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2116722&postcount=40).

Sam G

03-06-2009, 12:40 AM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-262.html are we red here because Juliet is deceiving them about being a doctor?

Devera

03-06-2009, 01:03 AM

I think it is likely, Sam, but I also wonder just about deception involved in the whole setup. The more I think about this episode, the more I think something isn't right. My flower post research convinced me of that.

All the orange and yellow is getting to me. Did something happen to our group when they were attacked by the sonic fence that we don't know about? Or since Juliet and Sawyer had their conversation on the dock, were they influenced by Dharma Initiative drugs in something that they ate or drank (and/or brainwashing like Karl)? I'm not getting shippy and saying that Juliet and Sawyer don't have feelings for each other, but the part that bugs me is they at least seem completely unconcerned about the ultimate doom to befall the DI in the Purge and like they don't care a bit about the outside world or very strongly about their friends. They seem to have a strong amount of loyalty to the DI out of proportion to the "not Dharma material" remark made about them in the beginning. I know three years is a long time, but I can't help but wonder if they have been also lulled into complacency. It seems all lovely and free spirit-y, but the DI is acting like a cult. There is that the sinister underbelly.

Sam G

03-06-2009, 01:15 AM

I noticed there was a lot of milk around, not a drop of OJ.

BeLu

03-06-2009, 11:54 PM

After re-watching the episode, there are a couple scenes with noteworthy lighting. During the groovy dance party, there is orange light (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-31.html) coming through the doors (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-34.html).
Later, when Sawyer and Richard are talking, they are lit from the side with purple light (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-418.html). It is really quite pronounced.

Sam, that's odd about the milk. We've talked recently about white being connected with death and new life... maybe this is them sipping on the start of a new life? I remember thinking it was odd Sawyer was drinking milk the first time around, but hadn't noticed that they all have milk as they're sitting around the table. btw, the circling camera during that shot lasted a long time and really caught my attention, especially as Daniel was talking about the record playing smoothly again, only they're on a song they don't want to be on. Very fitting.

Sam G

03-07-2009, 12:10 AM

Up until now OJ had been the universal drink.

Well, besides water and DHARMA Beer

Lucidity

03-07-2009, 08:31 AM

I've noticed that Otherton seems much more Orange now than before. Well, a darker Yellow, at least. And, as I keep saying, for me they're one in the same. I'd say it's because of the impending Purge.

Regarding those Promo pics for next Ep.

If you look at this shot (http://mrtheodi.iimmgg.com/image/9e6359eb13c275fadc50ed6b348e104a) and then this one (http://mrtheodi.iimmgg.com/image/23622660de9268eef4cce3e563b187ee) it seems to me that the Red has been enhanced - makes you wonder what Sun is up to. She's also wearing a darker Colour before, and then a lighter one over the top later - perhaps her plans changed at some point between?

Also the shot of Sayid (http://mrtheodi.iimmgg.com/image/e77a017bfe3fe81f825ad70c1001edfd) is perfect, with the Orange jacket hanging there too - as we saw from the Promo itself they're threatening to kill him.

And then there's a nice pic from the Promos for the Ep following that one.

Looks like Juliet (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/a1f947e96daa211ee029f06d2d153c91) and Sawyer's relationship is safe.

It's good to see some Colours making perfect sense again - there have been some funny ones of late.

BeLu,
Nice catch on the Purple glow (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-418.html). An indication that Sawyer was doing it out of Love perhaps.
And the Orange glow in the security station (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-31.html) was cool in that there's Orange outside but also a Blue inside.

BeLu and Devera,
The flowers, I wondered if the Orange was there to represent Kate and the Purple represented Juliet - not as Love, but perhaps as her Colour. It's a Colour we've seen her in a lot even when she's not loved up. But that would seem to contradict the Yellow = Orange idea, because, of course, he didn't pick Kate.

Sam G

03-07-2009, 10:16 AM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=125055&fullsize=1 What really struck me about his cap, was the light coming through the cracks in the door making a cross.

Devera

03-07-2009, 02:45 PM

squid

03-07-2009, 07:54 PM

Well, don't forget that when I asked about orange juice in the word association question on the podcast, Damon said Juliet. I know we have normally seen her in a doctor/blue role, but maybe there is something there. Maybe this path is a dangerous one for Sawyer or both of them.

Sam, red light in the shape of a cross...DI looks like heaven, but it's not.

that's an interesting speculation, Devera. This show is so visually dense, I find it difficult to sort out the incidental from the essential, but that certainly seems to smack of deliberation, especially when it follows on the heels of what seems to be similar imagery in scene where Ben murders Locke...

squid

simone5p

03-07-2009, 10:33 PM

What did you make about the word association Jin = purple?

Devera

03-08-2009, 04:37 AM

We speculated about it a bit on pages 64 and 65 of the thread. I do think we have to watch Jin and the color purple very carefully from now on! Luc was a bit baffled at first, but ultimately interested I think. ;)

For me, the fact that Damon Lindelof said it so promptly indicates that LOST has a color theory and that Jin is a character who embodies purple.

We have used purple to mean love or passion, and we also have potentially seen it associated with time travel. While Jin has time traveled, I think the most obvious connection is who he is, his personality. Jin almost constantly acts from a place of love and sacrifice--for Sun, but also for the other characters of the island. The connection between Jin and love definitely makes sense to me. It surprised me--I'm not sure why--but it fits.

However, I would love to hear other theories. What have you been thinking about it?

Lucidity

03-08-2009, 04:01 PM

Nice catch on the cross, Sam.
I'd say the light is Orange, looking at the windows, but Devera, you'd say Red. Any other opinions?
But a deliberate cross either way, I think.

There's a thread on the LaFleur board about the chess game that was going on in the background : The White King is Missing (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=109212). The fact that there's no White King could be referring to the fact that Jack is missing from the timeline, or Locke, but, as people pointed out there, Ben's chess game with Jack in the mobisode "King of the Castle" in which he talks of Jack one day coming back to the Island seemed to support the idea that Jack is the White King. From the beginning we had Jack as Blue, but I've said for some time now that it might be that he's actually White, and that White and Black encompass all of the Powers.

Anyway, as discussed here a little while back, we might have :

Desmond as The Black Swan
(the Swan station, obviously, and his "uniqueness" could be a "black swan event")

Locke as The Green Knight
(his high school emblem - Green for the Island)

Sun as The (Pink) Orchid
(her love of flowers, Orchids everywhere in her FBs, her name in America was going to be Dahlia, and Ji Yeon means Flower of Wisdom)

and now maybe
Jack as The White King

We also know Sayid is "The Red Man"
(the book he saw at Ben's)
and I'm guessing Hurley is about the Orange
but we don't have a cool sounding name for them yet.

And we still need a Blue and a Purple.
It could be that Jack IS the Blue, and Desmond the Purple, but they also represent Black and White?

Sam G

03-08-2009, 04:20 PM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-536.html I had to go looking for this. When I was re-watching the episode there were a few frames when the book (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=125557&fullsize=1) popped out at me as being very purple.

Liplocked

03-10-2009, 07:19 PM

Hi Luc :smile: It's good to see you're still on the colour case, but for whom did Ben light his candle I wonder?

I'm rather highly attuned to yellow at the moment, a guest in my house watched seasons 1 through 2 here (he's taken boxes 3 & 4 home - he's totally hooked) and I kept seeing it at pivotal moments.

I shall keep a whether eye open for the whole rainbow this evening though. Laters! (I have to go dye my hair plum).

# I'm just wild about saffron... :biggrin: actually any yellow will do. I'd previously suggested it might represent Chance, or Luck, but I think it might be distilled,

to Faith, or Belief.

Watching Life and Death, it was present during John's conversations with Sayid - who had found salvation in work he trusted to be good after his manipulation at Ben's hands, absent in Kate's house - she though John delusional, everywhere around Walt (yes I know where he was :biggrin: but the hydrants and cabs weren't the only incidences) in the linings of boys jackets and worn by women as shirts - Walt had been dreaming about John, absent during his visit to Hurley - who doubted John was real;

Present twice with Jack - who professed doubt but really believed in the hospital room with the yellow vase and bowl and then again at the cold storage.

No yellow toe socks sadly - but remember when we did see them, John received his Island miracle. Think also on Penny's EM spike telephone and Des' failsafe key turning.

And just for fun: http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/C/caterham/7/03-large/prisoner.jpg No6 has a car that looks like Locke's socks.

Sam G

03-10-2009, 09:18 PM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1468-383.html there were yellow hoses hanging in the freezer when Jack went to pick up Locke's body.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124178&fullsize=1 and red.

Lost Ed

03-11-2009, 03:08 PM

In reference to Sawyer James LaFleur's Book, I noticed right off of its purpleness, and I also noticed it apparently has no name. With all of the books on Lost, has there been one with as blank a cover as that one? What's it all about, Alfie?

Sam G

03-12-2009, 12:26 AM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1473-227.html green (looked greener on TV)
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-880.html yellow/gold
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1262-311.html yellow/gold

Devera

03-12-2009, 12:29 AM

Hmmmm. :frown:

Lucidity

03-15-2009, 09:05 AM

Sawyer's book, watching the Ep I thought it was Blue, but it definitely looks more Purple now, which makes even more sense, given it's later revealed he's in love with Juliet. But it seemed very deliberate - as Lost Ed points out, it's the first time we've been shown a book with no title. If all of the other books have had significance, and all we have for this one is a Colour, the implication is that Colour itself is significant.

I'm still not getting the Purple on flight 316 though - Jack, Ben, Sayid . . .

The Security Fence being Green and then later faded to a yellow-ish gold makes sense too. Green for Death, but, like everything else Dharma, very faded in 2004.

Liplocked,
It's definitely possible that Yellow has its own meaning, not just a shared Yellow / Orange category, but, personally, I'm still inclined to believe they are the same thing, for two reasons. One, there has been so little Yellow, and two, when we do get Yellow it's often seen together with Orange.

Sam G

03-15-2009, 09:14 AM

Sawyer's purple book, in this case, I thought it was about Sawyer's passion/love for reading.
100%
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/03/details-about-costumes-wardrobe-reveals.html I'm going to add this here because when the episode airs, someone is going to complain that the Oxford robes are wrong and here's a reason why.

Liplocked

03-16-2009, 03:56 AM

Timely Sam, I read that too all of 10 minutes ago and though uh-uh... better nip that one in the bud! :biggrin:

Time-out I think on every occurrence of a specific colour maintaining a consistent significance. There are instances I sure where colour is used to invoke a memory, draw similarities or create mood as well as its use in juxtaposition.

That said ( why do I paint myself into these corners? :rolleyes: Tsk! )

Yellow may be used sparingly precisely because it does have meaning Luc - to preserve its integrity - and if that meaning is Faith or the intervention of Fate... how many characters have rejected or wavered in or wholly rejected those beliefs?

Yellow is seen infrequently, but when it appears something changes; it's a pro-active player in LOST's spectrum no mere by stander whispering social commentary.

imho of course :smile:

Lucidity

03-20-2009, 03:07 PM

Liplocked,
You may be interested in this. It lends weight to the idea that Yellow might be more significant than I had imagined.

As I just posted on my All my past and futures thread (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=85879), I'm more convinced than ever that the Island is Bardo - have a look there for more information. Well, I was just reading some articles on it and I haven't pinned down anything too concrete yet but it turns out there is a Colour-related element. From this state of Bardo Dharmata you are reborn into one of several different things, Gods, Titans, animals, humans . . . When it is your time to choose a realm there are different coloured lights and each person is drawn to one colour rather than another.

The colours are :
White - the realm of the Gods
Red - the realm of jealous Gods
Blue - the human realm
Green - the animal realm
Yellow - the hungry ghost realm
Dark - the Hell realm

Now, that's not a perfect match for us, but it's not bad. Yellow could have been expanded to Orange, and all we're missing is Purple and Pink - Pink there's not much of anyway. But I definitely think the Writers might have written about the Bardo Dharmata (Bardo means "the between island") and seen this Colour thing and incorporated and expanded it.

There's also talk of people who come from a strong Dharma lineage - the Shephards anyone? And even powers ! There's a big thing about wombs, which would tie in with the Georgia O'Keeffe thing we discussed waaaaay back. Oh, and each realm is associated with different things - the White realm, a palace (The Temple?); the Dark realm, a hole in the ground (Smokey's holes?); the Green realm, a dale, cave or hut (we've seen all of them); the Yellow realm, a pile of logs or a jungle; the Red realm, a ring of fire (the Flame?). The Blue realm is broken down into different realms, but one of them is associated with lakes and swans (the Swan Station?). At this point I started to wonder if each realm is represented by a station.

Sam G

03-20-2009, 03:26 PM

There's a new preview/promo up and I will say yellow and purple are very prominent.

Devera

03-20-2009, 03:42 PM

I feel like we've been getting more pink recently. It's kind of weird. I wonder if we are supposed to take it as a light red or as something else.

Lucidity

03-20-2009, 10:39 PM

Yeah, Amy wore quite a lot of Pink - maybe Ethan's a sissy. :biggrin:

I've done a page for LaFleur (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/LaFleur.htm) and, for what little there was, Namaste (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Namaste.htm).

And everyone be sure to check out this Bardo Dharmata stuff. I'm really confident. (All my pasts and futures (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=85879))

theVOID

03-22-2009, 04:13 AM

Hi crew, i haven't been following the thread but i wonder if any of you can help me out.

I'm looking for a division between the remaining Losties and want to know if there were any clues there related to color. For example, John, Richard, Ben etc are always wearing Blue/Green/Purple and Gray where as the DI seem to have a Tan/Orange groove going on while Jack seems to have a really neutral scheme.

This is based on my post here: http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2131648&postcount=14 where i try and make sense of the division and how it could relate to the end game.

I know Sun and Jin have been associated with Orange, seems that they will go DI, it also seems to support Jin's new job as well as Sun's Paik Ind. involvement, it looks as if their separation through time and space could not separate the two from a certain side of the stuggle, even though neither were aware of the others descision.

I'm hoping that color will help illustrate the coming division.

I am also wondering about Kate, since the mythology clues make me uncertain about her. She has worn many dull neutral colors, with Tan, green and white, i think this places her in the middle with Jack, not sience or faith, but equilibrium between the two.

Any help would be much much appreciated and credited when i gather enough info to make a loyalties scale/table and theory. The whole science/faith fate/free will parallelism has been one of the most interesting parts for me on this journey that is LOST, and is currently the avenue i am most interested in cracking. I think the chances of guessing the larger mythos are almost nil, as it assumes what creative thoguhts a whole team of writers has devised is obvious to other minds, which it isn't really.

Sam G

03-22-2009, 09:53 AM

TheVoid,

I never saw Kate as neutral - to me, she was orange for a very long time.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-19-105.html

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-70-13.html Confidence Man green
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-147-58.html oops- came across another purple

Devera

03-22-2009, 01:56 PM

Hello, theVoid. Well, that's an interesting question, because this season our characters who have been associated with different colors have in general moved to wearing rather neutral colors or purple. (We have associated purple with love/passion and perhaps with time travel).

In the past, Kate wore orange all the time (indicates danger in LOST), but then when she became more aligned with Jack she started wearing other colors more often. Also, to add to the confusion, she often wears purple due to love/passion and her relationships with both Jack and James, so it is difficult to tell what underlying color she is associated with...

Jack's color tends to be blue, and since he is back to wearing it in Dharma times under his neutral jumpsuit, that seems to be staying the same. Blue is associated with anything medical or health related on LOST, as well as being a leader/protector of someone.

Kate is now wearing blue (Dharma jumpsuit) and rather neutral purplish-blue shirt underneath. Juliet has been wearing the same blue jumpsuit. She also wears blue when Jack comes to visit their house. Juliet has long been associated with blue, and she's a medical doctor herself, so nothing unusual there. I think Kate's t-shirts have been rather neutral this season, but if her shirt is really purple, it signifies more romance story stuff for her, otherwise it just emphasizes more of the blue. I'm not sure how important we should consider the jumpsuits or not.

Sayid is still wearing purple from the purple plane crash where almost everyone was wearing purple. He hasn't changed colors yet. Sayid isn't normally associated with colors, usually wears black or neutral colors, so brilliant purple is an interesting choice. Is he going to do something out of love?

Hurley is now wearing the Dharma suit with neutral colors, with a red shirt now peeking underneath. Hurley has been associated in the past with orange and red...we're not sure why, since orange usually means danger and red usually mean deception, but we also theorize that orange secondarily means luck and red might also mean perception (and Hurley appears to be associated with both).

Sawyer has been wearing neutral Dharma jumpsuit colors since everyone returned, so not much we can say about that.

Sun is wearing black with a tan coat, really rather neutral colors so there isn't much to talk about there. The same with Jin, he's wearing a white shirt with the neutral tan Dharma jumpsuit. Only, when I made this list, I realized that there is something to talk about...they are wearing mirror outfits! Tan over black / tan over white...great for Sun's journey through the looking glass, right? Also, it fits very well with the yin/yang duality since they are a husband and wife team. It works especially well because black is usually associated with feminine (yin) and the white with male (yang). Okay, sorry for geeking out on that...it just fits really well.

Right now, we haven't seen anything like the green vs. blue split we had when the Locke and Jack camps split up, but it's a good thing to keep an eye on.

theVOID

03-22-2009, 03:02 PM

Thanks Dev, i've bookmarked your post for checking back on.

I am basing most of my color work based on what the opposing fractions wear, if there are colors that are associated the Others or Dharma.

So far, i see it the following way, if you can add to the list please help.

Others:
Green, Blue, Purple, Dark Brown

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/44/Benandrichard.JPG
Interesting to see Ben's backpack is Orange, as if to say his DHARMA days are behind him. Richard wears purple/Dark brown.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/5/54/3X01_TheOthers.jpg
Ben and Juliette are wearing Blue and purple. These two 'Others' always wore lighter colored garb than Richard and co, so did Ethan, light blue/gray, i think this means they are the less morally extreme others, while i guess Richard is pretty hardcore nature man, Ben and Juliette were others working on the very DHARMA like issue of pregnancy.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:LockeLeader.jpg
Locke, always wearing Green/Blue and browns. Always wearing a medium dark tone of each too, placing him mid way on the others scale in terms of extremity?

Dharma:
Orange, Tan, Yellow

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No time to do more now, will complete this post after school, any contributions welcome.

BeLu

03-22-2009, 04:04 PM

Observations from Namaste:

Yellow/brown/white blanket (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1475-262.html)behind Amy. Red and black pillow (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1475-259.html) behind baby Ethan... bassinet is blue, and lots of pale blue around him as well.
Lots of blue around the Dharma Initiative's welcome (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1475-339.html)for the new recruits.... I never really associated blue with the DI before - more yellow (the notable exception of course being the VW bus). On a similar note - it struck me that the Flame is painted blue, where the barracks buildings are all yellow. And lots of red items around the outside of the Flame too - the wheelbarrow in particular stood out. I didn't see a good picture.

Kate's 70's shirt looks purple on white from a distance, but really it is red and blue detailing (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1475-426.html) - interesting with all the red vs. blue we've seen in this season.

Red lighting (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1475-508.html) going down into the security headquarters.

Check out the odd red and yellow art (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1475-206.html) in Sawyer and Juliet's bedroom (complete with creepy cat statuette in front - which doesn't really seem like it would be either of their decorating taste).

Devera

03-22-2009, 04:16 PM

More for theVoid:

I'm thinking that the Dharma Initiative and Ben's Others might have different color schemes, and Richard's "hostiles" might have yet a different color scheme. I agree Richard wears dark blue, and his group likes greens and browns. Green also has definitely been Locke's color.

As for the Dharma Initiative, other than the neutral tan jumpsuits and blue mechanics suits, Amy has so far been seen wearing pink all the time and Horace likes his red tie-dyed shirt.

The thing to remember about Ben's others is that they wear different colored outfits when they are dressed in their costumes (Tom with beard (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:2x23_TomAtPala.jpg)). When dressed in costume, they are more likely to wear earth tones.

Ben's New Otherton "others" like pastels and white unless they are dressed in costumes:
Juliet's book club of pastels (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:BookClub.jpg)
Juliet and Amelia in purple and blue pastels (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3x01JulietAmelia.jpg)
Juliet in pink while being held hostage by Jack (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3X01_JulietJack.jpg)
Ethan wearing a pastel blue medical outfit (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3x16_DoctorEthan.jpg)
Ethan wearing white while holding Claire hostage (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:2x15_EthanIsNiceToClaire.jpg)
Ben in pastel purple (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3x16_BenLearnsOfCancer.jpg)
Ben in pastel pink and Juliet white/gray (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:MPx6_JulietBenHydra.jpg.jpg)
Everyone in white for Colleen's funeral (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/48/ColleenSea3x05.jpg)

Elizabeth Mitchell: There's flowers growing and people having barbecues, and someone cutting the lawn and people dressed in cool pastel colors [laughing] with their hair and makeup nicely done. It's a little Stepford-ish in a way. Like Stepford summer camp, really.
(Podcast 3/10/08)

I'm also rather sure I heard in a commentary or something one of the writers pointing out that Ben's group liked pastels. Not sure if this applies to the DI, though.
100%
The path of 3s (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?p=2132178#post2132178) thread wants some Sewing Kit analysis of the graffiti by Sayid in the assassination scene.

theVOID

03-23-2009, 04:57 PM

Devera

03-23-2009, 05:39 PM

wow, then whites... thanks dev

To me this means that the Others truly are the good guys, destinies path, unbiased and indifferent, like their whole heart and soul belongs in their faith in the island, truly noble people to be honest, every other is an unsung n. They are the good guys, wrong or right, they follow true morals and discipline abd act according to their beliefs, whatever they may ben.

No problem. I believe that they believe they are the good guys, but I personally don't think that white necessarily equals good and black necessarily equals bad in LOST. I think it's more complicated! But anything to help, and we will get the final story on color and factions with time. :)

Avius

03-23-2009, 06:20 PM

Ben's New Otherton "others" like pastels and white unless they are dressed in costumes:
Juliet's book club of pastels (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:BookClub.jpg)
Juliet and Amelia in purple and blue pastels (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3x01JulietAmelia.jpg)
Juliet in pink while being held hostage by Jack (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3X01_JulietJack.jpg)
Ethan wearing a pastel blue medical outfit (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3x16_DoctorEthan.jpg)
Ethan wearing white while holding Claire hostage (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:2x15_EthanIsNiceToClaire.jpg)
Ben in pastel purple (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3x16_BenLearnsOfCancer.jpg)
Ben in pastel pink and Juliet white/gray (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:MPx6_JulietBenHydra.jpg.jpg)
Everyone in white for Colleen's funeral (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/48/ColleenSea3x05.jpg)

The scene where Cindy visits Jack on the Hydra always seemed eerie to me in that they're decked out in pastels like it's Easter.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1256-458.html

Sam G

03-25-2009, 05:02 PM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1261-236.html looking at Enter 77 for something and the coloring seems so obvious.

Lucidity

03-25-2009, 07:14 PM

Hi everyone,
It's been a busy week work-wise, so catching up a little here.

the VOID,
I think Devera's post is just about identical to what I would have said.

Devera >
Hello, theVoid. Well, that's an interesting question, because this season our characters who have been associated with different colors have in general moved to wearing rather neutral colors or purple. (We have associated purple with love/passion and perhaps with time travel).

Yeah, last Season there was Red everywhere, this Season it seems to be Purple.

In the past, Kate wore orange all the time (indicates danger in LOST), but then when she became more aligned with Jack she started wearing other colors more often. Also, to add to the confusion, she often wears purple due to love/passion and her relationships with both Jack and James, so it is difficult to tell what underlying color she is associated with...

What was particularly cool about Kate was whe saw Orange / Danger in her FBs and then suddenly we saw her in Blue in the Finale FF. Blue is moste definitely the opposite of Orange, in terms of sides. And of course, it was from that Colour that we predicted her raising Aaron, who had Claire in Blue since his brith.

Jack's color tends to be blue, and since he is back to wearing it in Dharma times under his neutral jumpsuit, that seems to be staying the same. Blue is associated with anything medical or health related on LOST, as well as being a leader/protector of someone.

Kate is now wearing blue (Dharma jumpsuit) and rather neutral purplish-blue shirt underneath. Juliet has been wearing the same blue jumpsuit. She also wears blue when Jack comes to visit their house. Juliet has long been associated with blue, and she's a medical doctor herself, so nothing unusual there. I think Kate's t-shirts have been rather neutral this season, but if her shirt is really purple, it signifies more romance story stuff for her, otherwise it just emphasizes more of the blue. I'm not sure how important we should consider the jumpsuits or not.

It's nice seeing Jack back in Blue because it's been a while. The jumpsuits, I'm inclined to ignore the Blue. I tend to think of them more as Light and Dark.

Sayid is still wearing purple from the purple plane crash where almost everyone was wearing purple. He hasn't changed colors yet. Sayid isn't normally associated with colors, usually wears black or neutral colors, so brilliant purple is an interesting choice. Is he going to do something out of love?

This one really bugs me. I wish they could find some excuse for him changing clothes!

Hurley is now wearing the Dharma suit with neutral colors, with a red shirt now peeking underneath. Hurley has been associated in the past with orange and red...we're not sure why, since orange usually means danger and red usually mean deception, but we also theorize that orange secondarily means luck and red might also mean perception (and Hurley appears to be associated with both).

Totally. In terms of our Coloured Bagua, Orange and Red, together with Green, are on the opposite side to Blue, Purple and Pink. So, in that sense, Hurley's not on Jack's side, which we saw when he went off with Locke last season.

Sawyer has been wearing neutral Dharma jumpsuit colors since everyone returned, so not much we can say about that.

Sun is wearing black with a tan coat, really rather neutral colors so there isn't much to talk about there. The same with Jin, he's wearing a white shirt with the neutral tan Dharma jumpsuit. Only, when I made this list, I realized that there is something to talk about...they are wearing mirror outfits! Tan over black / tan over white...great for Sun's journey through the looking glass, right? Also, it fits very well with the yin/yang duality since they are a husband and wife team. It works especially well because black is usually associated with feminine (yin) and the white with male (yang). Okay, sorry for geeking out on that...it just fits really well.

Right now, we haven't seen anything like the green vs. blue split we had when the Locke and Jack camps split up, but it's a good thing to keep an eye on.

From the promos it looks like we might be seeing a split in the group soon, so hopefully we'll see that reflected in Colours too. Last season the Green / Blue thing was a real high point for this Colour theory.

BeLu >
Red and black pillow (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1475-259.html) behind baby Ethan... bassinet is blue, and lots of pale blue around him as well.

Plus there's some Green in the corner, and the pillow is Red with Black AND White. Could Ethan be more special than we realised? Lost of Colours like that have been seen round Ben as a kid and Aaron.

On a similar note - it struck me that the Flame is painted blue, where the barracks buildings are all yellow.

I had the buildings as a light Orange (sorry - usual thing about Yellow / Orange), but throw in the Blue Dharma vehicles and there's definitely a nice contrast there.

Devera >
The path of 3s (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?p=2132178#post2132178) thread wants some Sewing Kit analysis of the graffiti by Sayid in the assassination scene.

You mean when Sayid shot that guy near that garage door? There was some Green writing and a Green chair, which worked nicely for Death, but I've always wanted to know what the writing says. That would be really cool to know.

Avius >
The scene where Cindy visits Jack on the Hydra always seemed eerie to me in that they're decked out in pastels like it's Easter.

:biggrin: My theory has always been that the ones who aren't "special" have to wear plain tans and the like, and that those who are special wear Colours according to their "abilities" - Klugh wore a lot of Purple, for example, as did Alex.

Sam G >
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displa...-1261-236.html (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1261-236.html) looking at Enter 77 for something and the coloring seems so obvious.

Yeah, I think we talked about that at the time. Loads of Orange everywhere - the lamp, the crockery, the couch . . .

I just stumbled upon an interesting one from way back too. Doing one of these online Lost quiz things I saw a picture of Ben post-Orchid and I'd never noticed the Purple in his hood. We discussed the Red tied around his arm, but the Purple is only visible in certain shots. Here it is. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=112843&fullsize=1)
They had an interview with the people who do the costumes the other day, and they were saying that they actually make a lot of the clothes themselves from scratch, so that supports the idea that these Colour choices are deliberate - at some point they made Ben's parka and decided to use Purple.

Devera

03-25-2009, 07:25 PM

You mean when Sayid shot that guy near that garage door? There was some Green writing and a Green chair, which worked nicely for Death, but I've always wanted to know what the writing says. That would be really cool to know.

Yep, here is the post (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2131990&postcount=9) asking for our help from LommelSteinkopf in the Path of 3s thread (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=109670). I caught the green in the photos and remembered the original discussion about it, but I wasn't sure what to say about the other obvious colors in the graffiti, so I didn't really post any response.

Sam G

03-25-2009, 07:45 PM

Yes, Luc we discussed the orange at the time.

The inside of Ben's hood I don't see as pure purple but kind of a slate grey purple..

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1402-494.html nice use of green.
100%
Amy in We should kill him green (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=126779&fullsize=1)

squid

03-26-2009, 09:16 PM

I think that the blue/Ethan thing could be the medical aspect, he did after all, grow up to be a doctor. I thought the pillow behind him might be navy blue and red, but my monitor isn't as good as that of some of ya'll

squid

rthensley

03-27-2009, 08:41 AM

I've not posted on this thread in a while. I tend to upset people. I'll try to be as diplomatic as possible. ;)

Luc, a quick question for you. I thought many months ago a sort of pseudo-rule was established by you (my apologizies in advance if I am wrong about this). The rule (maybe too strong of a term) was something along the lines of: When using color examples to help support the theory, the color needs to be obvious, deliberate, and be in the scene where the coorelation is being established. Am I semi-correct about this?

If so, what are your thoughts about baby Ethan in blue being tied to him eventually belonging in the medical field, and about Amy wearing green when death is being discussed?

They had an interview with the people who do the costumes the other day, and they were saying that they actually make a lot of the clothes themselves from scratch, so that supports the idea that these Colour choices are deliberate - at some point they made Ben's parka and decided to use Purple.

I read the same article.

Again, I'm very much prepared to be wrong about this, but I thought the person in the article was quoted as saying something along the lines of they are told what clothes will be needed and they independently research what they need, what the clothes should look like, and then they make a lot of the clothes. TO ME this seems to indicate that they are NOT given any color preferences and they take it upon themselves to choose the colors of the clothes.

Isn't this the same article where they talked about the Monk's robes? The costume department needed 30 Monk's robes from a certain time period. The costume department researched what the robes would look like and then made the robes. There was some concern about making the exact same colored robes, so the costume department switched some colors around. Again it SEEMS like the costume department, not TPTB, are calling the color shots.

I believe this is also the same article where the costume guy/girl talked about trying to pick clothes that did not detract from the scene, and picking clothes that would blend in with the scene. This might expain the more "earthy" colors used when people are in the jungle. This also points to the costume department as the color gurus.

at some point they made Ben's parka and decided to use Purple.

Sorry Luc, that is a leap of logic. Just because they make a lot of the clothes, doesn't mean they intentionally made Ben's parka and decided to use purple. They could have, or they could have picked it up at an Army Surplus store and changed the patches. :rolleyes:

Lost Ed

03-27-2009, 11:14 AM

Did Sayid's purple shirt go to blue when returned to jail, and back to purple when in the jungle prior to shooting Ben?

Devera

03-27-2009, 11:22 AM

Sam G

03-27-2009, 02:03 PM

There are set pics up at DarkUFO for the finale.

Juliet wearing uncharacteristic, Rosy Red shirt. (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/gallery/g20cbd523d3c12b65c6f18722218d2a3c/) I just want to say how great it is to see these pics and you know there is a real camaraderie between the actors - Elizabeth and Evie

Devera

03-27-2009, 02:22 PM

Even non-Sewing Kit people are wondering about the Violet Clothing (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?p=2138293#post2138293).

Lost Ed

03-27-2009, 02:26 PM

Even non-Sewing Kit people are wondering about the Violet Clothing (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?p=2138293#post2138293).
Yeah. I've been wondering why they don't just come on over and study with us.

Perhaps they just haven't put Sewing Kit and Color together yet.

Liplocked

03-28-2009, 08:01 AM

Lucidity

03-28-2009, 11:54 AM

Liplocked,
The "Indigo Children" thing was discussed some time back - I think it might have been gusthepolarbear that brought it up (does he / she still post on the 'Lage?). But I don't think anyone had enough knowledge of it all to take the possibility further.

If I remember right, there was an element of abandonment being a necessary part of the process, and, of course, we've seen plenty of abandoned children in Lost.

Sam G >
The inside of Ben's hood I don't see as pure purple but kind of a slate grey purple.

Hmmm, you might be right. A third opinion, anyone? Purple or slate? (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=112843&fullsize=1)

Sam G >
Amy in We should kill him green (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=126779&fullsize=1)

"We should kill him green" ! :biggrin:
I'm picturing myself ordering something in that colour.
But yeah, it would have been a loose connection if it hadn't seemed so weird that she'd be so willing to see him killed.

squid >
I think that the blue/Ethan thing could be the medical aspect, he did after all, grow up to be a doctor.

That could be it, but I still think it's significant that there were several colours present.

The other thing we discussed a while back was that only special children seem to ever wear horizontal stripes, and we saw Ben wearing a striped top in the last Ep. Of course, the stripe was Red and he was being Deceived by Sayid.

I really didn't understand all of the Colours at Oldham the torturer's place.

One I really liked was Little Ben's glasses (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=126895&fullsize=1). Sawyer had his glasses fixed with one Black side, one White. But little Ben's glasses were fixed just in White - telling us that at this stage he was Good.

Devera >
I really want to know what is up with Sayid's purple shirt. Are we back to purple for passion as in love and hate? I've also been thinking about passion as in Passion of Christ. Do people wear purple when they are performing something that they see as a sacrifice? It still doesn't fit with the plane of purple, though, since Sayid was there unwillingly.

When Sayid met Iliana there was Purple in the background, and, of course, Sayid in Purple too, so I'd say that is the explanation.

Lost Ed >
Did Sayid's purple shirt go to blue when returned to jail, and back to purple when in the jungle prior to shooting Ben?

I don't think so, no. I just had a look at some screencaps and it seems Purple throughout.

Sam,
Regarding the Spoiler pic of Juliet, I'm wondering if such a Colour could still fall within the Purple category. I know it's not Purple by any stretch, but Fuschia > Mauve > Purple maybe?

Devera >
Even non-Sewing Kit people are wondering about the Violet Clothing (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?p=2138293#post2138293).

Lost Ed >
Yeah. I've been wondering why they don't just come on over and study with us.

Perhaps they just haven't put Sewing Kit and Color together yet.

Yeah, I saw you'd pointed them in this direction, Devera. Thanks.
I posted there this morning, explaining a little what we do here and giving the link to the website.

BeLu

03-28-2009, 07:25 PM

Devera

03-28-2009, 07:54 PM

Ilana's red shirt certainly makes more sense now.

Sam G

03-28-2009, 08:47 PM

More purple! The carpet (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1479-16.html)in the Russian building was purple in the hallway and apartment. Maybe some more purple lighting (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1479-79.html) on Sayid? (When he and Sawyer are talking).

Interesting color behind the crazy drug man (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1479-174.html) (can't remember his name at the moment...) - red, black, white, blue/purple (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1479-247.html)?, yellow.

Here's a nice contrasting colors (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1479-347.html) shot of Sayid in his cell.... the shirt looks really blue here, but it seems to be the same one that is purple in a different light.
Very red lighting (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1479-224.html) in the bar scene with Illana and Sayid.

I wonder if there's a better cap of the boxes, some look like they have a crescent moon on them. Also odd, why a shoe on the coffee table?

GJ poster (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/ScyeHda4_qI/AAAAAAAAPlw/q9gvQE_BFZk/s1600-h/510+geronimo+jackson.jpg) I saw it but couldn't read it.

Red Shoe (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/fbc5e19cdb009ba2bf0b2eca706d84bc)

What really stood out to me is the red lamp behind Sayid.

Orange pillows (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/2c2c7bb58c083503e60eef07260f42a1)

Bicklefitch

03-28-2009, 09:13 PM

Red Shoe (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/fbc5e19cdb009ba2bf0b2eca706d84bc)

Hmm, red shoes...I wonder if the people on Ben's list were in need of some course correction?

Sam G

03-29-2009, 12:40 AM

And what would the point of these flags (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/f7853f5b1305f0da4097ad3e63f8ddaa) be?

simone5p

03-29-2009, 01:29 AM

Have you ever looked at Infinity Gems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Gems) (Hurley is big into comics). Time [Orange-Red], Space [Purple], Mind , Reality [Yellow], Power [Red-Pink], and Soul [Green].

or the Rainbow body
for space...
[B]Red

Temporal world

As the colour of putting the enemy place to fire and the sword, red represents courage and, more symbolically, the power and the force in this world. As the “uppermost” colour of the rainbow, it corresponds to the highest rank of the temporal order. A role traditionally devoted to warriors and their chief, the king. It is the colour of the Kshatriyas, second function after the Brahmins within Hindu tradition. The cross of the soldier monks, knights of the Temple order, provides a more familiar example. The cardinals of the Catholic Church have inherited this sovereignty symbol.
Spiritual world

If white symbolizes the sacerdotal power of the principle knowledge, red represents the temporal power in charge of their application. In that sense, red symbolizes love of the divine Principle.
Blue

Temporal world

As the “lowest” fundamental colour within the rainbow, (dark) blue represents the colour of the productive function.
Spiritual world

Blue is the most insubstantial colour, which occurs in nature mostly in its translucency form and essentially in the sky or waters. Therefore, it symbolizes more the essence than the substance, mainly the spiritual force, the Spirit, the inner Peace.
Light blue is the colour of meditation and, as it darkens, it becomes the colour of dreams. The Consciousness yields little by little to the unconscious just as the light of day gradually turns into the colour of night, the midnight blue.
Yellow

Temporal world

From the temporal point of view, yellow represents, in Hindu tradition, the “middle” colour linked to the vaishyas caste.
Spiritual world

As the warmest colour of the light spectrum, yellow is related to sun and gold, two symbols of the spiritual influence, of Wisdom. The transmutation of lead into gold symbolized the inner alchemy transforming the human being into a spiritual or a supra-human being. That is why yellow is linked to the re-birth of the being and the resurrection of Christ.
Situated halfway within the rainbow spectrum, yellow represents the “Middle Path”. It symbolizes the communication channel between Heaven and Earth, blue and red. In ancient China, it was the imperial colour. The emperor ruled over the “Middle Empire” as sun reigned in the skies. In connection with its highly spiritual characteristics, yellow was often associated with black from which it emerges. In various traditions, it symbolizes the transmission of the divine power to emperors and kings.
Green

Temporal world

As the most common colour spread over the earth, green represents both the life rising from the plant and its decomposition. As such, it is associated with the cycle of death and rebirth.
Moreover, mid-way between the so-called warm colours (red, orange, yellow) and cool colours (blue, violet), green is the colour of neutrality, quietness, calming, all what we are hoping for.
Spiritual world

Combination of blue and yellow, green is the colour of awakening, re-generation and access to spiritual knowledge.
Myths often refer to the complement of red and green. In the Egyptian tradition, Osiris corpse (green) was brought to life again by Isis (red). In the Christian version of the quest of the Holy Grail, the emerald vase contains the blood of God who became human.
Orange

Temporal world

If yellow is related to the sun in its apparent fullness, orange is identified to sunrise and sunset, i.e. sun elevation and descent. In other terms, orange characterizes at the same time the flight towards light and the descent towards darkness, synonym of ignorance.
Spiritual world

Mix of yellow and red, orange combines the spiritual gold and the temporal red and symbolizes the equilibrium between celestial and terrestrial worlds, which means justice in a deep sense, i.e. harmony.
This balanced way was sought in ritual orgies regarded as bringing with them the initiatory revelation. This is why Dionysus is represented dressed in orange. To day, the saffron garment of Buddhist monks symbolizes also this search of harmony.
Violet

Temporal world

Violet is the colour of temperance as if softens the blaze of red. This is the meaning attached to the bishop's sacerdotal vestments. He has to watch over his flock and moderate the heat of his passions.
Spiritual world

Composed of equal proportions of blue and red, violet represents also a balance colour between Heaven and Earth. Lying opposite to yellow, a colour of the passage between death to a state of being and re-birth into another, violet depicts, on the contrary, the passage from life to death to a being state before springing up again or resuscitating into another state. That is why choirs and statues of churches are draped in violet on Good Friday. Prior to the Renaissance, many gospel-books, psalters and breviaries were written in golden letters on a violet background so that the reader could constantly remember the mystery of the Lord's Passion. Later, in Western societies, the colour became that of mourning or half-mourning. As such, violet is related to a rite of passage from a state to another one.

I also noticed the purple light here (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4990/alperthoracehair.jpg)... coming off of Richard...(as well as the face in Horace's hair)

Sam G

03-29-2009, 10:01 AM

Caps from the preview

Purple/lavender Kate (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-17.html)

Devera

03-29-2009, 12:44 PM

simone5p, considering all the rainbow clues and references (we even had Kermit recently), it seems like the Rainbow Body (which I hadn't heard of before) would be a good place to look.

Red

Temporal world

As the colour of putting the enemy place to fire and the sword, red represents courage and, more symbolically, the power and the force in this world. As the “uppermost” colour of the rainbow, it corresponds to the highest rank of the temporal order. A role traditionally devoted to warriors and their chief, the king. It is the colour of the Kshatriyas, second function after the Brahmins within Hindu tradition. The cross of the soldier monks, knights of the Temple order, provides a more familiar example. The cardinals of the Catholic Church have inherited this sovereignty symbol.

This doesn't fit at all with red for deception, but it fits very well with Hurley. He said he was "a warrior back home" and his last name means "Kings." He also had that shirt in the airport and airplane with the cross on it. And other than the one time when he worked with Locke's camp, he is one of the most consistently courageous of all of our LOST characters, despite others not believing he will be able to help them.

Green

Temporal world

As the most common colour spread over the earth, green represents both the life rising from the plant and its decomposition. As such, it is associated with the cycle of death and rebirth.

This one fits perfectly with our definition.

The blue kind of works, too.

I think I'm starting to lean with associating purple with the Passion/Lent might be right. We're seeing purple in too many odd places that don't really fit with time travel or with our traditional use of love and passion. Something big is coming, I think, that involves major love.

addictedfan

03-29-2009, 03:06 PM

Can't help with violet clothes, carpets or anything else, but I do have a 'blue power' idea to show you:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/indigo_children (I fell over it looking up the Gaia Hypothesis.)
Hi LL, I thought about Indigo Children back in S2 or S3 when we found out about Walt had "special powers". I was told that Darlton had been asked about the possibility of Indigo Children and they said they didn't even know what they referred to! And sure enough if you listen to some early podcasts,that is true. Now, I realize that is not a denial from those guys so who knows....

;)

I just love this thread!!! I used to keep up with all the Color repetitions/symbolism back until last season with a Lost Email group. We always felt the color,Red signified a warning of danger....is that what you all think?

And purple seemed to indicate "enlightenment" or wisdom coming for whatever character was wearing it...

BeLu

03-29-2009, 07:05 PM

Sam G:
And what would the point of these flags (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/f7853f5b1305f0da4097ad3e63f8ddaa) be?Those are Tibetan prayer flags (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flags).

Traditionally, prayer flags come in sets of five, one in each of five colors. The five colors represent the elements,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flags#cite_note-PF-0) and the Five Pure Lights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pure_Lights) and are arranged from left to right in a specific order. Different elements are associated with different colors for specific traditions, purposes and sadhana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadhana):

Blue (symbolizing sky/space)
White (symbolizing air/wind)
Red (symbolizing fire)
Green (symbolizing water)
Yellow (symbolizing earth)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flags#cite_note-PF-0)

Sam G

03-29-2009, 08:39 PM

Thanks BeLu.

Now for the blanket hanging on the teepee.

Devera

03-29-2009, 11:11 PM

Tibetan prayer flags are also sometimes called Dharma flags.:biggrin:

From BeLu's link:
"Traditionally, prayer flags are used to promote peace, compassion, strength, and wisdom. The flags do not carry prayers to 'gods,' a common misconception, rather the Tibetans believe the prayers and mantras will be blown by the wind to spread the good will and compassion into all pervading space. Therefore, prayer flags are thought to bring benefit to all."
~

In my area, I know several people who have them in their office or homes to symbolize their dedication to peace.

rthensley

03-30-2009, 11:21 AM

rthensley, I think you are right that Roland Sanchez & Co. are heavily involved in the color decisions, but I believe they have in their hands a copy of whatever the color scheme is. If they get the scripts, they can easily go "Okay, Juliet and James are in love, they should be in purple" (or whatever the official code says).

OK. That could be possible.

Also, I can't remember which interview or question it was, but there was one question about the costumes where it was specifically mentioned that specific instructions were occasionally written into the scripts for exactly what people would wear. (Maybe Sam can help find the quote?)

I believe I am drawing a blank on this one. The only thing I can remember is someone associated with the show saying that at one point something blue was deliberately chosen for Jack to wear because someone wanted "calmness" portrayed in the scene.

Luc, still would like your thoughts on my earlier question:

Luc, a quick question for you. I thought many months ago a sort of pseudo-rule was established by you (my apologizies in advance if I am wrong about this). The rule (maybe too strong of a term) was something along the lines of: When using color examples to help support the theory, the color needs to be obvious, deliberate, and be in the scene where the coorelation is being established. Am I semi-correct about this?

If so, what are your thoughts about baby Ethan in blue being tied to him eventually belonging in the medical field, and about Amy wearing green when death is being discussed?

I guess my general question is: Have we gone from the color needed to be obvious, deliberate, and in the coorelated scene, to colors being able to essentially foreshadow events that may happen later?

Sawyer had his glasses fixed with one Black side, one White. But little Ben's glasses were fixed just in White - telling us that at this stage he was Good.

I'm not sure Ben was ever good. :biggrin:

At the time of the glasses fixed in white, hadn't Ben already had conversations with Richard about Ben leaving DHARMA? He was already planning on deserting his group, was cleary deceiving the DHARMA people, was having unauthorized contact with Sayid, and (I assume) set the van on fire and allowed Sayid to escape.

Not exactly a "good" kid in my book. But I guess you could argue that on the grand scale, he was "better" as a kid than as an adult.

Liplocked

03-30-2009, 12:09 PM

Hi LL, I thought about Indigo Children back in S2 or S3 when we found out about Walt had "special powers". I was told that Darlton had been asked about the possibility of Indigo Children and they said they didn't even know what they referred to! And sure enough if you listen to some early podcasts,that is true. Now, I realize that is not a denial from those guys so who knows....

;)

I just love this thread!!! I used to keep up with all the Color repetitions/symbolism back until last season with a Lost Email group. We always felt the color,Red signified a warning of danger....is that what you all think?

And purple seemed to indicate "enlightenment" or wisdom coming for whatever character was wearing it...

I managed to miss the previous Indigo Children references - thanx. :) I had an odd colour sighting reading Homer's Odyssey (which I finished yesterday); a White Rock.

It's mentioned as a landmark that's passed as one voyages to the realm of the dead.

If the Boy Ben read this thread he'd have known to be cautious around Sayid while wearing a t-shirt with so obvious a red band on it. If you believe he was the deceived and not the deceiver that is. ;)

You know Sayid's bullet must have landed bang in there I think.

TabbyRasa

03-30-2009, 12:14 PM

addictedfan

03-30-2009, 06:17 PM

I managed to miss the previous Indigo Children references - thanx. :) I had an odd colour sighting reading Homer's Odyssey (which I finished yesterday); a White Rock.

It's mentioned as a landmark that's passed as one voyages to the realm of the dead.

If the Boy Ben read this thread he'd have known to be cautious around Sayid while wearing a t-shirt with so obvious a red band on it. If you believe he was the deceived and not the deceiver that is. ;)

You know Sayid's bullet must have landed bang in there I think.

Or that red stripe was like a bullseye....warning of upcoming danger for Ben...like a mark!

The purple color still doesn't seem quite right to me....I read as much as I could about how you all believe it represents Love but I don't think that's always the case. Unless you distinguish b/w the colors Purple and Violet?
Could Purple be Sacrifice or even something to do with blue and red = Purple?

I do agree with all the other colors and what they tend be a code for but Purple is confusing to me. :redface:

Devera

03-30-2009, 06:24 PM

Purple wasn't really confusing until this season. Before this season, it was very reliable...one of the most reliable ones. :cool:

Sam G

03-30-2009, 06:55 PM

I believe purple is passion and that can range from Love to Hate.

Devera

03-30-2009, 07:03 PM

I still don't think it entirely explains the plane of purple, though...unless that was for time travel and Sayid kept it on for hate. It just seems something else is going on with purple...that's why I was wondering if "passion" is being extended to some big spiritual event coming up in the series.

squid

03-30-2009, 07:51 PM

well I'm firmly undecided about the meaning of purple so to further muddy the waters here's a link from dictionary.com that has quite a wide ranging definition of passion (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/passion)... it could fit. I found the "under the influence of" aspect especially interesting

a small excerpt
The state of the mind when it is powerfully acted upon and influenced by something external to itself

squid

Sam G

03-30-2009, 08:04 PM

Something is wrong with the link :(

squid

03-30-2009, 08:13 PM

Something is wrong with the link :(

sorry about that, I just fixed it, it should work now!
squid

Devera

03-30-2009, 08:41 PM

"the state of being acted upon or affected by something external, esp. something alien to one's nature or one's customary behavior"

There has been a lot of discussion about Sayid's apparent character change, especially surrounding his collusion with Ben and now the drugs and shooting of twelve-year-old Ben. Is he "under the influence" even more than we think?

"a.the sufferings of Christ on the cross or His sufferings subsequent to the Last Supper.
b. the narrative of Christ's sufferings as recorded in the Gospels.
12. Archaic. the sufferings of a martyr."

This part of the definition was kind of what I was thinking of...as noted on the violet clothing thread (and elsewhere) purple is strongly associated with Lent and Easter, and as this definition supports, the idea of "passion" also extends to the sufferings of martyrs in general.

Lucidity

04-01-2009, 07:00 PM

BeLu >
Those are Tibetan prayer flags (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flags).

Traditionally, prayer flags come in sets of five, one in each of five colors. The five colors represent the elements, [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flags#cite_note-PF-0) and the Five Pure Lights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pure_Lights) and are arranged from left to right in a specific order. Different elements are associated with different colors for specific traditions, purposes and sadhana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadhana):

Blue (symbolizing sky/space)
White (symbolizing air/wind)
Red (symbolizing fire)
Green (symbolizing water)
Yellow (symbolizing earth) [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flags#cite_note-PF-0)

Very cool !

Liplocked >
I had an odd colour sighting reading Homer's Odyssey (which I finished yesterday); a White Rock.

It's mentioned as a landmark that's passed as one voyages to the realm of the dead.

Very, very cool !
We saw the Black and White stones, and, of course, the ship itself - could it all be about the Island being the place between Life and Death (just to plug my "All my pasts and futures" Thread!)? I remember a cool one was the trap set by Juliet and the Losties - she was supposed to mark the stones White (White Rocks) - Life -near the tents of the pregnant mothers, but instead they placed dynamite from the Black Rock - Death -.

addictedfan >
The purple color still doesn't seem quite right to me....I read as much as I could about how you all believe it represents Love but I don't think that's always the case. Unless you distinguish b/w the colors Purple and Violet?
Could Purple be Sacrifice or even something to do with blue and red = Purple?

I do agree with all the other colors and what they tend be a code for but Purple is confusing to me. :redface:

Don't forget we have two independent colour codes - one is about the "theme" of any given scene (Purple would be Love) and the other is about "powers" (Purple would be Time Travel). I'm the first to admit it SEEMS unlikely that they'd introduce two colour codes, but the evidence seems to support it. Maybe the explanation will be that each power can be found in a certain emotion?

But, personally, I think Purple is one of the clearest of the bunch. It wasn't one I'd spotted when I did my original study, but it now seems to be the one they apply most faithfully.

simone5p >
Have you ever looked at Infinity Gems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Gems) (Hurley is big into comics). Time [Orange-Red], Space [Purple], Mind [Blue], Reality [Yellow], Power [Red-Pink], and Soul [Green].

Wow ! I think this might actually be it, the thing we've been looking for which might have been the inspiration for including Colour as a theme in Lost. Hurley's big into comics, but Damon even more so - he wrote for Marvel Comics.

The colour matches aren't perfect: they don't need to be - it would just be a source of inspiration, but the powers themselves are very close to some of what we've seen in Lost - Space, Time, wish fulfillment, manipulating souls of the living and dead, accessing dreams.

Great stuff, everyone. I've been crazy busy at work recently, but tomorrow ar 10 I'm on holiday for a couple of weeks so I'll be able to go back to spending an unhealthy amout of time chatting with "y'all".

So funny - I employed an American girl this afternoon and she actually said "y'all". I thought that was just in the films, like us Brits drinking tea in bowler hats! :biggrin:

Lost Ed

04-01-2009, 07:12 PM

Luc,
Ya'll is very southern US, and extremely common.
In the southern mountains, its youins. I live in those mountains and get youins a lot.

Here's one that's pure mountain...If I said, "I don't care to be helping with that." You'd probably think I meant I don't want to help you, but it means the opposite. It means I'd be glad to help. Had to get used to that one.

Anyway...back to colours....

Lucidity

04-01-2009, 07:16 PM

"I don't care to be helping with that." :biggrin:
I remember years back a Scottish colleague was asking someone "What colour is your car?", and in Scotland they ask "What colour of car have you got?" Not only for cars, obviously, that was just the example I heard. And what do you know, we're back onto Colour !

What Colour of top is Kate going to be wearing, y'all?

Lost Ed

04-01-2009, 07:30 PM

[quote=Lucidity;2142693What Colour of top is Kate going to be wearing, y'all?[/quote]

I don't care to tell you, it'll be orange or red. Except orange is her strong suit. Lets go with stripes.

BTW, in case it comes up sometime soon... Iced Tea = "A Deceit."

Just thought I'd remind, as its been awhile.

Sam G

04-01-2009, 08:13 PM

And in New York, youse guys = y'all

Lost Ed

04-01-2009, 08:18 PM

And in New York, youse guys = y'all
I started to put that, but since its not my territory....:hypocrit:

Sam G

04-01-2009, 08:27 PM

I've covered a lot of territory.

addictedfan

04-01-2009, 11:31 PM

Did y'all see all the colors tonite?
We saw Kate with a prominent red hair band when she went to first go visit Cassidy . Not sure how that signifies deception unless it signified the ending of deception? Then when she goes to Cassidy's after the store incident....Kate is back in the blue and then in gray when she hands over Aaron to Claire's mom who was wearing a very red shirt! That kinda scares me.....was it wrong of her to give Aaron to Carol...was deception involved?

And the lady who Kate thought was taking Aaron in the store that happened to look like Claire from behind had on a purple shirt. I still think Purple signifies enlightenment or clarity at least in this season...Kate realized in the store that she knew Aaron would be taken from her eventually..in other words she knew he did NOT belong to her.

Like Sayid having the realization/ an enlightened moment of clarity when wearing purple last ep. and it came to him what he had to do....kill young Ben.

And I need to rewatch but I think Juliet was wearing purple when she confronted Jack and that seemed like a moment of clarity and enlightenment too......well, maybe???

One last thing what does Yellow symbolize?....the Infirmary was very yellow.
Ok y'all enough ramblings from this very southern gal!:smile:

rthensley

04-02-2009, 10:36 AM

Ya'll is very southern US, and extremely common.
In the southern mountains, its youins. I live in those mountains and get youins a lot.

Ed, I'm about 1.5 hours north of you. I love the Asheville area. I worked in Hendersonville many years ago.

Or that red stripe was like a bullseye....warning of upcoming danger for Ben...like a mark!

Wouldn't a red stipe warned of deception, not danger? An orange stripe would have been danger. Either one would have worked in the scene. Even a purple stripe (if purple = passion) would have worked.

Luc, I've asked you this twice and gotten no response. I'll give it one more try:

I guess my general question is: Have we gone from the color needing to be obvious, deliberate, and in the coorelated scene, to colors being able to essentially foreshadow events that may happen later (For exampe, Ethan wearing blue because of foreshadowing his future involvement in the medical field & Amy wearing green when death is being discussed)?

Sam G

04-02-2009, 11:27 AM

I think foreshadowing has always been part of it.

squid

04-02-2009, 11:37 AM

I think foreshadowing has always been part of it.
agreed... and Sam, I just noticed your post count... wow, its soo high, I think I'm getting a nose bleed...:biggrin:

squid

Sam G

04-02-2009, 11:42 AM

Been here a long time. LOST one of the most interesting classrooms.

squid

04-02-2009, 12:57 PM

Here are a few quick fly by observations about Whatever Happened

I've been scanning the caps from the epi and this is pretty stream of consciousnes so here goes

Jack starts with a blue shirt under his jumpsuit but if I'm not mistaken it changes to either black or dark grey in the house arrest sequence

Miles in tshirt is black I believe
Hurley's remains red
Kate is consistently grey, mostly without the beigey coveralls
Sawyer's is grey; but always with the coveralls -- in one cap it looked like the crewneck banding was green, but only in the one so I'm thinking lighting and it was grey
Roger Linus' tshirt white under coveralls
first time Kate visits cassidy - white shirt - red hairband - aaron in blue
cassidy black and white with a I believe a little red jewel on her necklace

Jin has a white shirt under his coverall
Horace seems to have black or brown?
Ben has a white bandage and red blood on it
Juliette very blue in surgery, her surgery mask has a distinct greenish hue
she changes to all white later

Kate remains light grey
the monitoring leads to Ben are black and white

the oxygen to Ben when going into shock is a strong green

Kate carrying Aaron on pier - dark blue
Aaron in purplish burgundy

in store about the time aaron disappears large visual field of orange bottle caps
color blocking on aisles when Kate searches store is red/blue
her cell phone call coming through is very red/blue as well
the gal who "finds" aaron in store is wearing almost the same shade Aaron is except more purplish

when Kate visits Cassidy later - clementine answers door in honking red sweater jacket
kate hugs red and yellow pillow and cassidy is wearing a purple shirt

all for now, gotta scoot
squid