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rthensley

04-03-2009, 08:49 AM

Kate is polyphrenic regarding Aaron, and I think it's deceptive to paint her actions in an either/or light.

I agree (even though I have no idea what "polyphrenic" means :confused:)

So many things on Lost can be viewed in multiple lights and still make sense.That is the beauty of the show.
100%
I think foreshadowing has always been part of it.

Here are my concerns about foreshadowing.

ASSUMING all the color connections in this theory are correct.

Ben is obviously a master manipulator and con artist. I hope everyone would agree with that.

Then wouldn't EVERY instance of a scene containing Ben & the color red be considererd "evidence" to support this theory? Every scene like that could be considered foreshadowing.

Ben is also super dangerous. Again I woul think everyone would agree with that.

Wouldn't every scene with Ben and the color orange be considered foreshadowing?

Is there anyone more passionate that Ben?

If purple = passion, then every Ben/purple scene would also be foreshadowing?

If purple - love/hate, then that also works for Ben.

If purple = time travel, works for Ben.

Even every scene with Ben & blue would make sense. At different times Ben is very much concerned about the health & safety of something (mainly Ben).

Ben & black. Ben = "bad". Also works.

Ben & white. Ben = "good". Remember it is a matter of perspective. Ben believes he is doing good.

TO ME, foreshadowing opens the color doors for everyone. EVERY scene in Lost would fit this color code because at some point every character will display the traits associated with each color.

EDIT: Forget to add that my example are really no different that linking Ethan to blue because he will end up associated with the medical (health & safety) field, or Amy & green because death is being discussed.

Devera

04-03-2009, 11:28 AM

I don't think Amy's clothes involved any foreshadowing. She was an obvious in context example. She was holding a newborn baby (life) while talking about killing someone (death). Both her blouse and her top over it were very green. I don't normally notice many colors when I'm watching the first time, but I noticed hers.

Thinking about it, rthensley, I think you mostly have to be right about foreshadowing--for it to work, the color has to reflect what the character is actually thinking/doing in the scene. The problem with LOST is we often don't see a characters real motivations until long after the scene. I do sometimes think we get a slight bit of foreshadowing due to characters not really getting a chance in the plot to change clothes, so they have to be wearing something for a scene ahead or before the color motivation shows. That is when layers help the costume team out.

jane_eire

04-03-2009, 12:37 PM

Lucidity

04-03-2009, 12:55 PM

I think the two key Colour uses were the Red around the whole Kate - Cassidy - Claire's mum thing and, same scene, but in my opinion very different reason, Clementine in Red.

The whole Kate - Cassidy - Claire's mum thing made perfect sense, it was all about the different deceptions. Sawyer's alive - Cassidy had been allowed to believe he was dead; Kate told her the money was from Sawyer when it wasn't; Claire's mum had been totally conned.

Clementine's appearance in Red was perfect. As I have spoken of before, I think that each Colour is going to represent a different "clan" and that each of those clans are going to have a child. Charlie Hume, Clementine, Aaron, Ji Yeon . . . and for the clans we have Paik, Widmore, Shephard, Alpert . . . Well, Sawyer's all about the Red and now his child pops up in Red - what I can't even begin to work out is which of the clans Sawyer belongs to.

And then an interesting thing, was the LACK of Colour with the whole thing of Ben joining the Others. The blanket was a dull beige / pink, Alpert wasn't in his usual Blue shirt but in a beige . . . I really think there's a specific reason the Others don't generally wear Colour.

addictedfan >
And the lady who Kate thought was taking Aaron in the store that happened to look like Claire from behind had on a purple shirt. I still think Purple signifies enlightenment or clarity at least in this season...Kate realized in the store that she knew Aaron would be taken from her eventually..in other words she knew he did NOT belong to her.

The trouble is, as I've said before, we've seen such clear examples of Purple meaning Love - when Kate and Jack kiss, when Kate and Sawyer play house, when Libby and Hurley connect . . . Check out the Purple page (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Purple.htm), if you haven't already.

I might be wrong, but it seems to fit too well for it to be anything else.

The Purple still confuses me...:rolleyes: I don't really see it being about Passion,Love, or Time Travel with the woman in the supermarket.

I must admit, that one had me confused too. But the supermarket just seemed to be a mass of Colour, so perhaps there was no specific meaning to the Purple? But I don't really buy that even myself, especially with Aaron in Purple too.

squid >
in store about the time aaron disappears large visual field of orange bottle caps
color blocking on aisles when Kate searches store is red/blue
her cell phone call coming through is very red/blue as well
the gal who "finds" aaron in store is wearing almost the same shade Aaron is except more purplish

I'm glad someone else felt the supermarket was deliberately "colour blocked", as you put it. I really noticed it but thought that if I mentioned it everyone would say that it was just normal for a supermarket. What was also cool is yet another Blue / Red contrast - there were people dressed in Blue and Red, and blocks of those Colours too.

And Sam, what on Earth is going on with the Juice and the Milk? Aaron wants Milk, then changes his mind and decides he wants Juice, while stood next to what looked like a load of Orange juice. Well, that's more a question for your Juice thread, but relevant here is the Colour connection : Juice = Orange, Milk = White.

Liplocked >
Yellow is, I think, Faith: keeping it, taking a leap of, taking a Chance or chancing ones Luck. :) or the intervention of Fate - there's an obvious (it's lit in the dark) yellow wall at the marina and a yellow boat moored where Ben calls Jack for help.

I like the idea, but I really don't recall having seen enough Yellow to conclude too much. There was Yellow and Orange at Kate's place when she was married to Kevin, the cop. That's where I started to think that Yellow and Orange were simply the same category.

"Polyphrenic" - cool word, Jane.

Sam G

04-08-2009, 06:51 PM

Luc, do you watch Fringe? I am pretty sure the colors are spilling over.

Lucidity

04-08-2009, 09:00 PM

Really, Sam? That would be amazing - as evidence for a similar thing happening in Lost, I mean.

I hadn't been watching Fringe, but just got started a couple of days back. I've seen about the first 4 Eps. It's pretty cool, but it just seems like The X-Files 2 to me.

So what have you noticed in terms of Colours there?

Sam G

04-08-2009, 10:16 PM

addictedfan

04-09-2009, 12:34 AM

Hello to the colorful peeps on the board! :smile:

What a great episode!!! Just wanted to point out a couple color related things I noticed:
1.Penny was wearing a BLUE sweater...when I saw her in blue, I just knew she wasn't going to be killed!
2. Charlie Hume was in a multi-colored sweater!!! I think that is big....we don't see many multi-color clothes on the Lost characters!
3. Caesar's bag that held his gun was ORANGE on the inside...danger!
4. Ilana was wearing the color of Deception....RED and that seemed right on in this episode for her to be wearing!

Devera

04-09-2009, 01:19 AM

Ilana/Cesar

Yep, Ilana has been wearing red from the beginning, and it's clear why! She wasn't a marshal, she was a bounty hunter--and she knows secret codes which indicates she isn't who she was pretending to be at all. I think her crowd brought the guns on the plane in the first place that they "found."

Cesar was just some poor sap that Ben was trying to manipulate into thinking that Locke was crazy--he told Ben that he would protect him in his blue shirt.

Smoke-monster-as-Alex was wearing green.

Sam G

04-09-2009, 02:11 AM

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/4ed88d5fd72cadfa5002b6fbc5208203 The big green book by Ben's head (Looks much greener on TV)

Green = dealing with life/death situation?

rthensley

04-09-2009, 08:27 AM

Some opposing thoughts. Would you expect otherwise? ;)

Several days ago a green = death coorelation was drawn because Amy was wearing green when discussing killing Sayid. That scene was used as evidence supporting this theory. Most on this board agreed with that coorelation.

Now we have seen Ben pointing a gun at Penny and saying he is going to kill her (IMHO an even stronger example of impending death). Ben (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/a/ae/AimingIt.jpg) is wearing his non-green, striped shirt.

Granted neither Sayid nor Penny actually died. But with the Amy example, it supposedly didn't matter.

Cesar was just some poor sap that Ben was trying to manipulate into thinking that Locke was crazy--he told Ben that he would protect him in his blue shirt.

The same blue shirt he (maybe) died wearing?

He was also wearing a striped shirt. It has been theorized that stripes may equal powers. Wonder if that will hold true for Cesar?

Smoke-monster-as-Alex was wearing green.

Would have made more sense TO ME if she was wearing red. That surely was a big, blatant, obvious deception.

Or she could have been wearing orange. Ben certainly believed he was in some serious danger.

Or she could have been wearing blue. After all, Ben lived.

Purple could have worked. Ben obviously loved Amy and showed a lot of passion in that scene.

Ben (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/3/3c/CaesarOwned.jpg) again wearing that same striped shirt as he blows Cesar away. Wouldn't green, orange, or red have made more sense? Green = Cesar dead (maybe). Orange = obviously Cesar was in danger. Red = Ben obviously deceived Cesar.

Really, Sam? That would be amazing - as evidence for a similar thing happening in Lost, I mean.

I take is as the complete opposite. If you can take the theorized color code for Lost and apply it to other shows, then it makes it less likely there is a Lost color code. Do you really believe that if there is a super secret color code on Lost that TPTB would also include it in another show? That would make absolutely no sense. They would want to keep their color code secret. The more people that know about any code, the greater chance there is of the code being leaked.

BTW, love Fringe.

Llana: The first thing that I thought of when Llana gave her gun-holdling, speech toward the end of the show was that she was acting very similar to Danielle's crew after their encounter with Smokey (presumably) in the cave. The "sickness"?

Lucidity

04-09-2009, 10:10 AM

Sam G >
It was very noticeable this last episode you just need to watch the first part and you will notice it right off.

Now I need to decide whether to keep watching them in order or skip to the last one. :JC_thinking:

addictedfan >
Hello to the colorful peeps on the board! :smile:

What a great episode!!! Just wanted to point out a couple color related things I noticed:
1.Penny was wearing a BLUE sweater...when I saw her in blue, I just knew she wasn't going to be killed!
2. Charlie Hume was in a multi-colored sweater!!! I think that is big....we don't see many multi-color clothes on the Lost characters!
3. Caesar's bag that held his gun was ORANGE on the inside...danger!
4. Ilana was wearing the color of Deception....RED and that seemed right on in this episode for her to be wearing!

I agree 100%. Especially on little Charlie, it always seems to be the "special" kids. I don't THINK we've ever had an adult in hoops and multiple Colours.

Devera >
Ilana/Cesar

Yep, Ilana has been wearing red from the beginning, and it's clear why! She wasn't a marshal, she was a bounty hunter--and she knows secret codes which indicates she isn't who she was pretending to be at all. I think her crowd brought the guns on the plane in the first place that they "found."

Yeah, but there also just seemed to be a lot of Blue surrounding her "gang". It reminded me of the Frenchies when they turned up. I'm wondering if it's similar to the Blue / Green standoff we had between Team Locke and Team Jack last Season. I always had Widmore pegged as a Red, but maybe, purely in terms of a "Tribe", as I call them, he's Blue. Seems weird, but it might be.

Look here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=127814&fullsize=1) and here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=127804&fullsize=1) - loads of Blue dotted about. And off-topic, but there's something so cool about seeing that plane in the background. It feels so Season 1 somehow.

Devera >
Smoke-monster-as-Alex was wearing green.

I missed that. I would interpret that as Ben having been on the brink of death, perhaps. Or, simple explanation, because Alex is dead.

Mind you, just looking at the screencaps and it's a very, very pale Green. I'm not sure we should count that as a Colour use.

Sam G >
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/ima...02b6fbc5208203 (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/4ed88d5fd72cadfa5002b6fbc5208203) The big green book by Ben's head (Looks much greener on TV)

Green = dealing with life/death situation?

I noticed that too, but it was so large, and I was watching it through streaming, I thought it was part of the furniture. But yeah, it really stood out.

rt, I haven't been ignoring your posts, I do read them, but I refuse to argue with you any more because it's a waste of time. You suggest we're "blinded" by the theory and fail to see the lack of evidence (or ideas to that effect), but I think you've actually got it the wrong way round. It's my theory, and even I'm not totally convinced, but I do see that you are totally convinced it's never going to happen. You're the one that is "blinded".

But, in the interests of clarification, I will respond to a couple of your points.

rthensley >
Several days ago a green = death coorelation was drawn because Amy was wearing green when discussing killing Sayid. That scene was used as evidence supporting this theory. Most on this board agreed with that coorelation.

Now we have seen Ben pointing a gun at Penny and saying he is going to kill her (IMHO an even stronger example of impending death). Ben (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/a/ae/AimingIt.jpg) is wearing his non-green, striped shirt.

Granted neither Sayid nor Penny actually died. But with the Amy example, it supposedly didn't matter.

First of all, you confuse "evidence to support the theory" and evidence based on other, clear-as-a-bell examples being applied to a scene in an effort to see whether the Colour Code holds up. Saying that, I do think that in spite of the fact that they all wanted Sayid dead, Amy's vote, with newborn baby in hand, stood out like a sore thumb.

Penny is in Blue because she's safe. But not just because Ben isn't going to kill her, in my opinion, but because she's "Protected". I always said the same about Claire - I don't think she was in Blue because she protected Aaron, but vice versa.

And it's not just her in Blue (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128008&fullsize=1), look at the Blue boat (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=127994&fullsize=1), complete with weird Blue thing down the side. And how cool was the name of the boat, "Our Mutual Friend".

The same blue shirt he (maybe) died wearing?

Well, personally, I wouldn't say he was in Blue, but in any case, as I mentioned before, we also saw the Frenchies die in Blue.

Really, Sam? That would be amazing - as evidence for a similar thing happening in Lost, I mean.

I take is as the complete opposite. If you can take the theorized color code for Lost and apply it to other shows, then it makes it less likely there is a Lost color code. Do you really believe that if there is a super secret color code on Lost that TPTB would also include it in another show? That would make absolutely no sense. They would want to keep their color code secret. The more people that know about any code, the greater chance there is of the code being leaked.

This isn't just another show. It's another JJ Abrams show, with some of the other staff in common too. And we've already seen that he's using the Numbers in Fringe too. I think the idea is that these shows aren't going to overlap, but can be perceived to exist in the same reality - much like what happens in superhero comics.

He was also wearing a striped shirt. It has been theorized that stripes may equal powers. Wonder if that will hold true for Cesar?

No, I have suggested that multi-coloured HOOPS are something we've only seen associated with "special" children. Can you give me any examples of an adult wearing something even close to this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128011&fullsize=1)? That boy is special, no doubt about it.

The other thing I noticed was when Ben was recovering (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=127784&fullsize=1) with the Others, he was in a bed on an olive-coloured military-style sleeping bag or something, but there was also Green placed above his head. Big difference to the normal Blue we see around everyone who is recovering. Yes, it could be because that's the Others' "thang", but I can't help seeing the lack of Colour in their camp and dress.

rthensley

04-10-2009, 09:53 AM

First of all, you confuse "evidence to support the theory" and evidence based on other, clear-as-a-bell examples being applied to a scene in an effort to see whether the Colour Code holds up. Saying that, I do think that in spite of the fact that they all wanted Sayid dead, Amy's vote, with newborn baby in hand, stood out like a sore thumb.

Actually I think I am not confused about this at all. Maybe I didn't explain my point well enough.

We have two scenes:

#1 The discussion about killing Sayid.

Amy was in this scene wearing green. A connection was made between Amy wearing green and the death of Sayid being discussed. People on this thread agreed with that connection.

#2 Ben, not wearing green, in a scene with the intent of killing Pennyl

Are these scenes exacftly the same? Of course not. But they ARE very similar. I don't know how anyone could say they are not very similar. If anything, the scene with Ben is more closely tied to death. He is after all pointing a gun at Penny. During the Amy scene, death is just being discussed.

My points are::

If Amy in green = death discussion was perfectly valid, then wouldn't the Ben in no green = death be something that should not have happened?

My biggest criticism of this thread has been that it SEEMS that most people just focus on scenes that support the theory. When a scene does not support the theory, it is at most mentioned once and discarded. It is not added to the pile of evidence.

The Amy and Ben scenese are perfect examples of this. The Amy scene was viewed as "cannon" for this theory. I don't think anyone, except me, had a problem with that coorelation. We then had the very similar Ben scene. Since Ben was not in green & Penny was not killed, the thread then focused on the blue in the scene.

Well, personally, I wouldn't say he was in Blue....

I don't know that I would classify him as strictly a "blue" in that scene either. Someone else in this thread classified him as a "blue" when he offered to protect Locke. You see, that fit the theory, so the blue stood out. He was a "blue" when he was protecting, but now that he is dead (maybe), shouldn't he have been a "green"?

...we also saw the Frenchies die in Blue.

That also illustrates the point I am trying to make. More non-green deaths. But green = death is so established that any contradictory scenes are just mentioned (maybe) and not thought of again.

No, I have suggested that multi-coloured HOOPS are something we've only seen associated with "special" children.

I don't have any idea what you mean by "hoops".

Lost Ed

04-10-2009, 10:31 AM

rthensley

04-10-2009, 10:57 AM

Luc, had to stop and do some real work. I intended to ask you this question again.

Luc, a quick question for you. I thought many months ago a sort of pseudo-rule was established by you (my apologizies in advance if I am wrong about this). The rule (maybe too strong of a term) was something along the lines of: When using color examples to help support the theory, the color needs to be obvious, deliberate, and be in the scene where the coorelation is being established. Am I semi-correct about this?

If so, what are your thoughts about baby Ethan in blue being tied to him eventually belonging in the medical field, and about Amy wearing green when death is being discussed?

I guess my general question is: Have we gone from the color needed to be obvious, deliberate, and in the coorelated scene, to colors being able to essentially foreshadow events that may happen later?

Devera

04-10-2009, 01:26 PM

I haven't been watching "Fringe," but if the colors are turning up, I'm sure it is completely relevant--as Sam said, there are numerous crossovers between the two shows and both were started by J.J. Abrams. I could see that from just the few episodes I watched that I could learn a lot about LOST from watching, but I've been watching "The Mentalist" instead during that time slot.

I missed that. I would interpret that as Ben having been on the brink of death, perhaps. Or, simple explanation, because Alex is dead.

Mind you, just looking at the screencaps and it's a very, very pale Green. I'm not sure we should count that as a Colour use.

It was more obvious on the screen. It looked like the green shirts that Locke always used to wear. I interpreted it as either the fact that Alex was dead or as the general associated with the island green. Maybe she was wearing that when she died, though? I can't remember what she was wearing.

~

I think we should be open to new ideas, and I kind of like the idea that blue is moving towards a team situation like we saw with Locke vs. Jack camps.

Lucidity

04-10-2009, 02:22 PM

Devera >
Maybe she was wearing that when she died, though? I can't remember what she was wearing.

Ding ding ! We have a winner !
The Shape of Things to Come (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=113112&fullsize=1) / Dead is Dead (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128083&fullsize=1)
Look at the trousers (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128087&fullsize=1) too, I'd say it's the same outfit.

It looked like the green shirts that Locke always used to wear. I interpreted it as either the fact that Alex was dead or as the general associated with the island green.

Definitely "Island Green" - that Ep all of Team Locke was in the same tone - Sawyer, Locke, Ben, Hurley, Alex.

I think we should be open to new ideas, and I kind of like the idea that blue is moving towards a team situation like we saw with Locke vs. Jack camps.

The weird thing is we saw so much Red associated with Widmore in previous seasons, but when Locke met him in Tunisia he was in Blue, so it's definitely possible that Team Widmore is Blue.

rthensley >
Actually I think I am not confused about this at all.

You are confused in that you think that every time we discuss the use of a Colour and try and interpret its meaning through our "Colour Code" that we are trying to use them as evidence. When we think something is evidence to support the theory we say so. When we don't say it, we're just interpreting the scene - no suggestion of, for example, Amy's Green being any kind of evidence to support the theory.

At the end of the day, the only person who comes here and questions what we're suggesting is you. Do you think that every time one of us posts it's for your benefit, to see if we can finally convince rt? It's just a discussion, no-one's trying to prove anything.

But green = death is so established that any contradictory scenes are just mentioned (maybe) and not thought of again.

The Frenchies dying in Blue most definitely was discussed. No conclusions were made and we haven't ditched the entire theory as a result, but there's nothing being swept under the carpet here. In the same way Juliet falling in Love in Purple doesn't PROVE out theory, a Frenchie dying in Blue doesn't DISPROVE it.

I don't have any idea what you mean by "hoops".

A hoop is a horizontal stripe.

Lost Ed >
Since you're talking about little Charlie's shirt, that reminds me of something I wanted to ask. I cannot remember the episodes, but its early on in the series. Jack, in a childhood flashback getting beat up by the bully, Kate in one of her early flashbacks, and Charlie Pace on the island, early on all wore a hooped shirt with two colors. Primarily blue/green. Oh, Kate with farmer Ray, I think..
Anyway, those three shirts looked almost exactly the same to me. Do you recall? If you get time to check it, let me know what you think.

There is some similarity between them, but definitely not the same shirt. Kate's has an open collar (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=14421&fullsize=1), Charlie's is a plain T (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=13808&fullsize=1), and Jack's has Purple (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=15974&fullsize=1).

In terms of what we're discussing here about "special" children, Kate and Charlie's wouldn't count because they're dark / Black, not Coloured. And Jack's is Coloured, but, of course, he's a "special" kid too. My thinking is that the really special ones, like Aaron and now Charlie, are the ones we've seen with multi-coloured hoops.

rthensley >
I guess my general question is: Have we gone from the color needed to be obvious, deliberate, and in the coorelated scene, to colors being able to essentially foreshadow events that may happen later?

For a long time now we have had several potential uses of Colour :
1) The "Theme" of a scene - Danger, Deception, Love, etc.
2) "Powers" - manipulating Luck, Time Travel, Perception, Healing, etc.
3) "Tribes" - the idea that all of the Losties will fall into groups, each represented by a Colour, and each having an area of influence in terms of Powers.
4) "Teams" - last Season we saw the Losties divide into two groups - Jack's (intent on getting off the Island) and Locke's (intent on protecting the Island) and those in Team Jack wore a lot of Blues, and Team Locke, Greens.

Whether they will all prove true, some but not others, or none at all, time will tell, but those are the different uses we consider at present.

Lost Ed

04-10-2009, 02:40 PM

There is some similarity between them, but definitely not the same shirt. Kate's has an open collar (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=14421&fullsize=1), Charlie's is a plain T (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=13808&fullsize=1), and Jack's has Purple (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=15974&fullsize=1).

I recognize that they are different shirts, but I was referring to color only. Kate and Charlie's are almost identical in color, with the stripes being of different widths, and colorwise, Jack's obviously has more purple, but the oppsing stripe is very close to both Kate's and Charlie's. It just stood out when I first re-watched episodes after reading this thread.

BTW: That the best shot of Kate you could get? :lol: Made me laugh.

My thought when I reviewed these episodes for the first time: The similarities in the colored stripes, in episodes so close together at the beginning of the series, and with this thread in the back of my mind, said to me that they are establishing something. Three oddly colored, yet extremely close to matching shirts on three different characters. I dunno, it just stood out.

rthensley

04-10-2009, 04:28 PM

You are confused in that you think that every time we discuss the use of a Colour and try and interpret its meaning through our "Colour Code" that we are trying to use them as evidence. When we think something is evidence to support the theory we say so. When we don't say it, we're just interpreting the scene - no suggestion of, for example, Amy's Green being any kind of evidence to support the theory.

Maybe I was confused then. When you say things like the text below, it sure appeared TO ME that you were using the Amy - green to support this theory.

"We should kill him green" ! :biggrin:
I'm picturing myself ordering something in that colour.
But yeah, it would have been a loose connection if it hadn't seemed so weird that she'd be so willing to see him killed.

It's just a discussion, no-one's trying to prove anything.

Come on Luc, sure you are. What's the point of doing all of this then?

The Frenchies dying in Blue most definitely was discussed.

My apologizies then.

No conclusions were made and we haven't ditched the entire theory as a result, but there's nothing being swept under the carpet here. In the same way Juliet falling in Love in Purple doesn't PROVE out theory, a Frenchie dying in Blue doesn't DISPROVE it.

I actually agree with you here.

You have to look at everything in total.

A lot of the earliest deaths were in green, it appears a lot of the later deaths were not in green. Neither one of us should draw a conclusion based on part of the deaths. They all have to be examined.

Anyway, I enjoy the debate. My work week is now over. Have a good weekend. I'll check back in on Monday.

simone5p

04-11-2009, 02:29 PM

I found this bit on green...

In England, green was traditionally used to symbolize nature and its associated attributes: fertility and rebirth. Stories of the medieval period also used it to allude to love and the base desires of man. Because of its connection with faeries and spirits in early English folklore, green also signified witchcraft, devilry and evil. It can also represent decay and toxicity. The green girdle, originally worn for protection, became a symbol of shame and cowardice; it is finally adopted as a symbol of honour by the knights of Camelot, signifying a transformation from good to evil and back again; this displays both the spoiling and regenerative connotations of the colour green. See more below...

The Green Knight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Knight)
"Jack in the Green" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_in_the_green)
Al-Khidr (http://forum.thefuselage.com/wiki/Al-Khidr)
the "Green Man" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man)

addictedfan

04-11-2009, 05:40 PM

Hey Luci,
Since you're talking about little Charlie's shirt, that reminds me of something I wanted to ask. I cannot remember the episodes, but its early on in the series. Jack, in a childhood flashback getting beat up by the bully, Kate in one of her early flashbacks, and Charlie Pace on the island, early on all wore a hooped shirt with two colors. Primarily blue/green. Oh, Kate with farmer Ray, I think..
Anyway, those three shirts looked almost exactly the same to me. Do you recall? If you get time to check it, let me know what you think.

Ya'll may have discussed it in TSK1 before I came on board.

Ed

What do y'all mean by "Hooped" shirts? Do you mean stripes that go around(not vertical or horizontal)?:huh:

I don't know if this fits into the sewing kit theory but with all the religious symbolism in Lost, the first thing I thought of when I saw Charlie Hume in that multi-colored sweater was Joseph and his coat of many colors.
Have their been any other children or characters in multi-colored "hooped" shirts/sweaters in more than 2 colors?
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Apologies if this has been discussed here but remember I'm the new kid here? LOL!

I post on another board and there are several of us that have a theory that the black/white striped shirts both horizontal and vertical are symbolic of good/evil or light/dark within the person wearing them.
We see a lot of black/white striped shirts throughout Lost going back to S1.

Ben wears a ton of vertical striped shirts and even PJ's!

Usually vertical black/white stripes signify "evil" "or "darkness" while horizontal stripes signify "good" or "light".

Lucidity

04-13-2009, 03:50 PM

Before I answer everyone's posts, this could be particularly relevant here. And, funnily enough, relates to exactly what I was going to mention to simone.

We've talked before about the idea that Locke could be the Green Knight (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/0/0d/TeenageLocke.jpg) - in case anyone's not getting it, the logo for his school, Cowin Heights, was a Green Knight. Even the name - Cowin, sounds a bit like Gawain, as in "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight".

Anyway, ABC have got a couple of new T-Shirts coming out towards the end of the Season and one of them is the Cowin Heights logo (http://abctvstore.seenon.com/detail.php?p=88012&pa=dotw&SESSID=33e22d7177d6441f61b46e3f66cce2d3) (DEFINITELY going to be getting myself one!). So far the logo has only really been discussed, that I know of, here on The Sewing Kit, so could it be that we were right, and it's going to become rather significant?

simone5p >
I found this bit on green...

In England, green was traditionally used to symbolize nature and its associated attributes: fertility and rebirth. Stories of the medieval period also used it to allude to love and the base desires of man. Because of its connection with faeries and spirits in early English folklore, green also signified witchcraft, devilry and evil. It can also represent decay and toxicity. The green girdle, originally worn for protection, became a symbol of shame and cowardice; it is finally adopted as a symbol of honour by the knights of Camelot, signifying a transformation from good to evil and back again; this displays both the spoiling and regenerative connotations of the colour green. See more below...

As I say, it was discussed a little here before, in connection to Locke's highschool. For me, it couldn't make more sense that, IF the Losties have such names (though I don't believe they will be made known explicitly within the show), Locke be the Green Knight. It fits his character perfectly.

Lost Ed >
I recognize that they are different shirts, but I was referring to color only.

Sorry, my mistake. I thought that, from memory, you were wondering if they might have been the same item of clothing. I'd completely missed Kate's version of it. I've always taken Charlie's Black / Grey as a sign of his Good / Bad nature, and that makes sense for Kate too.

rthensley >
Maybe I was confused then. When you say things like the text below, it sure appeared TO ME that you were using the Amy - green to support this theory.

"We should kill him green" ! :biggrin:
I'm picturing myself ordering something in that colour.
But yeah, it would have been a loose connection if it hadn't seemed so weird that she'd be so willing to see him killed.

As I said the other day, that is your mistake - thinking that everything we discuss is us kidding ourselves that it's evidence. We do believe there has been strong evidence, things that seem too much of a pattern (not a rule) to be a coincidence. But recently things have become much more diluted, and it's more just about seeing where, if anywhere, this is going.

It's just a discussion, no-one's trying to prove anything.

Come on Luc, sure you are. What's the point of doing all of this then?

Again, this is you projecting your own thoughts onto us / me. In the past you have seemed like you were on a mission to PROVE me wrong. I am not a mission to prove this theory right because I'm totally clear on the fact that that would be impossible. When all is said and done, the story or the writers will confirm the use of Colour or they won't. There's nothing that we can do in the mean time.

addictedfan >
What do y'all mean by "Hooped" shirts? Do you mean stripes that go around(not vertical or horizontal)?:huh:

Exactly. Perhaps it's not an American use, because of the whole Hoops / Basketball thing. Because we couldn't play basketball if our lives depended on it we use the word for something else!

I don't know if this fits into the sewing kit theory but with all the religious symbolism in Lost, the first thing I thought of when I saw Charlie Hume in that multi-colored sweater was Joseph and his coat of many colors.

Yeah, that's something I brought up a year or so back. I particularly like the part of the story where Jacob's son is left in a pit to die - ring any bells?

Have their been any other children or characters in multi-colored "hooped" shirts/sweaters in more than 2 colors?

Walt wore a lot of two-coloured hooped tops, but nothing as Colourful as little Charlie. Even just looking at Walt's Lostpedia page (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Walt) you see a few examples.

Apologies if this has been discussed here but remember I'm the new kid here? LOL!

No apologies required round here. We're happy to discuss and rediscuss (or "hash" / "rehash" as Darlton call it) anything and everything that might make some sense of all of this Colour stuff.

I post on another board and there are several of us that have a theory that the black/white striped shirts both horizontal and vertical are symbolic of good/evil or light/dark within the person wearing them.
We see a lot of black/white striped shirts throughout Lost going back to S1.

Ben wears a ton of vertical striped shirts and even PJ's!

Usually vertical black/white stripes signify "evil" "or "darkness" while horizontal stripes signify "good" or "light".

I'd never considered the horizontal / vertical "angle" (pardon the pun) before. I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

Sam G

04-13-2009, 06:17 PM

http://www.fringebloggers.com/115-inner-child-clues-eastereggs-round-up/ Fringe Easter Eggs mentions a few LOST similarities.

rthensley

04-14-2009, 11:37 AM

As I said the other day, that is your mistake - thinking that everything we discuss is us kidding ourselves that it's evidence.

Uh...that is not what I said, nor what we were discussing.

You said: "You are confused in that you think that every time we discuss the use of a Colour and try and interpret its meaning through our "Colour Code" that we are trying to use them as evidence. When we think something is evidence to support the theory we say so. When we don't say it, we're just interpreting the scene - no suggestion of, for example, Amy's Green being any kind of evidence to support the theory."

I admitted that I might have been confused about your intentions. TO ME it SEEMS that a lot of the posts on this thread ARE examples that people are trying to use to support the theory. I would expect that is what people should be doing. Why would people make color connections if they did not want the potential connections used to support the theory? If people are just making random color observations, then I have been confused by many posts, and those posts TO ME are just dilluting this thread/theory.

Your quote above TO ME seems to be saying that you were NOT trying to use the Amy/green connection to support the theory.

That is what confused me. Because earlier you said: "But yeah, it would have been a loose connection if it hadn't seemed so weird that she'd be so willing to see him killed."

That last quote SEEMS to imply that the Amy/green connection is not "loose" and therefore should be used to support the theory.

So yes, I was confused about this. Still kind of am. One of your posts seem to imply the Amy/green connection should be considered as supporting your theory and the other quote says it should not be used.

Again, this is you projecting your own thoughts onto us / me. In the past you have seemed like you were on a mission to PROVE me wrong.

Nope. Don't know you. Don't care if you are proven right or wrong. BUT, when I see things that TO ME do not add up. I will mention them. Isn't that the point of these forums - good debate?

There's nothing that we can do in the mean time.

Sure there are.

You could try to disprove your theory. Use the remaining episodes and try to prove your theory wrong. This would allow you to approach everything from a different angle. It would give you a different perspective. Who knows what might happen?

I will admit that TO ME the color code (as presented in this theory) is looking less likely. A long time ago you said something along the lines of: If the color code is correct, then the color examples should become much more clear as we get more episodes. Now you say: "But recently things have become much more diluted". This is not a good sign.

But again I have been wrong about pretty much all of my Lost predictions. My pattern could hold true and you guys would be 100% correct.

BTW, one of my first thoughts/predictions was that Lost was similar to Stargate. In Stargate you have "ascended" beings, "stargates" that lead to other worlds, & big Egyptian influences. Nubius, Ra, etc....

Wouldn't it be funny if Richard is one of those ascended beings who arrived through some sort of "stargate"? He might be the last of "his kind". His people may have spread out from the island and colonized parts of Earth. The Egyptian stuff might have originated on the island. "His people" might have passed on their genes. Our Losties could be carrying those genes & are returning home. Yeah, it does sound cooky.

Lucidity

04-14-2009, 12:05 PM

Sam,
I've just finished catching up on Fringe and you're right - loads of Colour references. I'm not really seeing a Colour Code, as we propose here, but it's definitely a big, big theme.

What blew me away was the thing about the woman turning off the lights. That is EXACTLY the sort of thing I have always envisaged in terms of the Losties discovering they have Powers. But saying that, I guess if that scene has happened on Fringe it's now less likely to happen on Lost. But yeah, something similar, low-key to start with. Ben shows Locke what he is capable of, for example, that "The Box" isn't a thing, it's an ability.

rthensley >
Uh...that is not what I said, nor what we were discussing.

It isn't what you said, nor did I suggest it was. It is what you HAVE said. Many times.

TO ME it SEEMS . . .

And, as I said, that is your mistake. You thought we were trying to provide supporting evidence every time we mention Colour use. I've told you that's not the case. You tell me again that that's what it had seemed to you, and again, I say - I understand, but you're mistaken. That isn't what we're doing.

You trying to argue that the intention behind the discussion here is something else is, well, wierd. You're mistaken, nothing more.

If people are just making random color observations . . .

Can you not see the difference between 1) seeing evidence that gives us some kind of rule / pattern, and 2) applying those rules / patterns to scenes? It's not random, it's not a suggestion of further evidence.

Don't care if you are proven right or wrong.

Yeah, I noticed that. :rotflmao2:

You could try to disprove your theory.

I could, but I don't want to or see the need to. The ONLY one here who feels this needs to be resolved one way or another and as soon as possible is you. The rest of us are quite happy to sit back and "Do a Gregg" ("Wait, Watch and See").

rthensley

04-14-2009, 12:47 PM

Lucidity

04-14-2009, 01:00 PM

rt,
Seriously, I honestly don't know if you just don't understand a simple point or if you deliberately try to twist it. Honestly. I'm not saying this as an insult - after all of this time I'm just totally 50 / 50 on it. Either you're deliberately awkward, or incapable of understanding me.

When we say Sawyer's book is Purple, for example, YES, we are talking about Purple being Love. BUT we are APPLYING an EXISTING theory / Colour Code and seeing if and where it fits, we are NOT suggesting it is further evidence to support said theory / Colour Code.

In the same way, Amy / Green "fits" the Colour Code JUST ABOUT, it is NOT evidence to support it.

Can you not see the difference between 1) seeing evidence that gives us some kind of rule / pattern, and 2) applying those rules / patterns to scenes? It's not random, it's not a suggestion of further evidence.

Man, should I even go here? I think not.

Go where? Some way to understanding what I'm trying to explain to you?

The need to do it is paramount. The best way to prove a theory is to try and disprove it.

And again, what possible need do I have to try and prove the theory? Much less a "paramount need". What are you talking about? Is there a similar onus on every other theory / theorist on this board? :confused:

And everyone, don't miss the post on the previous page about Locke's Cowin Heights - I think it could be a big hint in the right direction.

rthensley

04-14-2009, 01:11 PM

When we say Sawyer's book is Purple, for example, YES, we are talking about Purple being Love. BUT we are APPLYING an EXISTING theory / Colour Code and seeing if and where it fits, we are NOT suggesting it is further evidence to support said theory / Colour Code.

Let me explain my confusion.

If Sawyer's book is purple, and the color combination fits the existing theory, then how is that post NOT suggesting it is "further evidence to support the theory"?

BTW, never been called awkward or incapable of understanding. :biggrin:

Lucidity

04-14-2009, 01:19 PM

rthensley >
If Sawyer's book is purple, and the color combination fits the existing theory, then how is that post NOT suggesting it is "further evidence to support the theory"?

Because, and this is where we agree, it's not a strong enough use, compared to, for example, Sayid running around the jungle in Purple and apparently not "Crazy in Love".

This is the point - you suggest such things as Amy are flimsy evidence to support the theory. I AGREE. The only thing you need to understand is that no-one is suggesting it is evidence to support the theory. We are just looking at the Colours as they come up and seeing where the theory / Colour Code fits, and how well, and where it contradicts. Then, in terms of the big picture, we get an overall sense of whether the theory is still holding up or if Colour-use has become too random for there to be a Code. That's all we're doing right now.

Over the Seasons there have been a few dry patches, times when I start to wonder if there's anything to all of this, but so far, just when I start to lose faith, so to speak, some really clear examples come up and I'm back on board.

Devera

04-14-2009, 01:31 PM

:pconfetti:

We're playing with colors. We're (as said in commentary of Sawyer saying he loves Kate) "trying it on." I believe the colors do mean something, so I'm on this thread to explore that. I won't be devastated if it turns out colors mean different things than we have speculated or we that we overanalyzed something that meant nothing. That's part of the joy and the fun of it.

rthensley

04-14-2009, 01:34 PM

This is the point - you suggest such things as Amy are flimsy evidence to support the theory. I AGREE. The only thing you need to understand is that no-one is suggesting it is evidence to support the theory.

We agree....let me sit down. Wait a minute, I'm already seated. ;)

I agree with you about the Amy/green stuff.

What bothers me is that someone will post something like the Amy/green scene. (I'm making the rest of this stuff up as an example) The next person will post how accurate the Amy/green scene is. The next two posts will agree. The fourth post tells us how clearly the scene fits the code.

Even though there is not a caption at the top of the first post that reads: "ATTENTION: the following scene is intended to be used as evidence to support the green = death connection aspect of this theory. " Essentially that is what happens. It snowballs from an observation to an established fact.

What I see is missing is the post that points out the evidence is "flimsy". Unfortunately, that is where I try to contribute. That doesn't make me the most popular guy. But that does make me a needed guy.
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We're playing with colors. We're (as said in commentary of Sawyer saying he loves Kate) "trying it on." I believe the colors do mean something, so I'm on this thread to explore that. I won't be devastated if it turns out colors mean different things than we have speculated or we that we overanalyzed something that meant nothing. That's part of the joy and the fun of it.

I agree.

I don't believe any color code is anywhere near as extensive as presented in this thread. But if it turns out you guys are 100% correct. I'm happy for you and I promise you I will not lose any sleep over it.

I just like to see different perspectives presented.

Devera

04-14-2009, 01:46 PM

Oh, and on Amy and the green, I actually disagree with both of you and think it is really good evidence--not because Amy is talking about killing someone, but because she is doing it while holding her newborn baby. (Life and death). Also worth noting, some suspect she is in cahoots with the Hostiles, and green is also a color we have seen associated with people connected with the hostile others/Island (i.e. Locke).

rthensley

04-14-2009, 01:50 PM

Lucidity

04-14-2009, 02:00 PM

But rt, this is just a thread, which is just about a theory - why is there any need for smallprint and warnings? If someone believes that Amy in Green proves a point, so what? What possible difference does it make? What possible harm can it do? I'd understand all of this concern if there were a second conversation happening and such points (Amy in Green, Sawyer's book, etc.) were somehow affecting that other conversation, but there isn't. This is our thread, and we're not bothering anyone but you. You're the only one that sees a problem in the way this thread is run. In my opinion, a large part of the success of the thread is precisely because it allows for many different levels of interest, degrees of belief in the theory, ideas about what it means, frequency of visit / posting, etc. It's not an argument, trying to get to the bottom of something. It's a place to chat about Colour-related topics in Lost and Powers. Just relax, rt.

Devera >
We're playing with colors. We're (as said in commentary of Sawyer saying he loves Kate) "trying it on." I believe the colors do mean something, so I'm on this thread to explore that. I won't be devastated if it turns out colors mean different things than we have speculated or we that we overanalyzed something that meant nothing. That's part of the joy and the fun of it.

Exactly. As my stepfather always says, "You've got to be in it to win it". What I mean is that if you don't subscribe to a theory, how can you ever be right? But I know perfectly well it's a long shot, but hey, if we're right, how cool are we? If it happened, and Powers / Colours suddenly came to the forefront, all of these Lost blogs and shows would, I imagine, make specific reference to this thread, and we'd all have the satisfaction of knowing we supported the idea in spite of it being a long shot. And if it never happens, well we've explored some really interesting material and enjoyed ourselves doing it. Like I say, "You've got to be in it to win it".

Oh, and let's not forget that we're already seeing Powers and that was a Sewing Kit prediction from Day 1. So either way, we can't be totally wrong at this stage.

Devera,
I do agree there's a good connection with the Amy / Green thing. I was just trying to explain to rt that we're not suggesting that example is necessarily evidence to support the theory.

And rt, PLEASE don't start on the whole "This thread needs two sides presented" thing. As Devera will tell you, for example, I have disagreed before with some of the examples she gives (It is "she", isn't it?, Devera). There ARE different sides being discussed here.

rthensley

04-14-2009, 02:29 PM

What possible difference does it make?

No disrespect intended, but it only makes a difference if you are REALLY trying to get to the bottom of any color code.

If this thread really is just about colors in general, then none of the posts really matter.

What possible harm can it do?

Again, it does not do any harm if you really are not trying to figure out what is going on. But by the same token, what harm do my posts do?

What I mean is that if you don't subscribe to a theory, how can you ever be right?

Either your theory is correct, & your are right. Your theory is not correct, and I am right. BUT, it's not about being right. It is about, at least to me, the color connections being discussed in a semi-logical way with the intent of adding "evidence" (both for and against) to the theory.

Maybe that is where I am wrong in the way I think about this thread. I have always approached this thread with the belief that a theory was being discussed with the intent to either prove or disprove it. Am I wrong?

Oh, and let's not forget that we're already seeing Powers and that was a Sewing Kit prediction from Day 1. So either way, we can't be totally wrong at this stage.

What have we seen that you are chalking up to "powers"?

Lucidity

04-14-2009, 02:49 PM

As usual, rt, you have us going round and round in circles.

We are not trying to PROVE or DISPROVE anything because that is, whether you like it or not, IMPOSSIBLE. It will be confirmed by the writers or within the show, or it won't. For all of your ideas about how we ought to be discussing this topic (Do you not realise how weird that is? To suggest how a group of people should go about having a discussion.), I guarantee you there isn't any way that we can prove or disprove this.

Powers? Miles can talk to dead people. Des has a unique ability to step outside the laws of TT. Those have been confirmed, for starters.

Devera

04-14-2009, 02:54 PM

Luc, yes, I am a she...thanks for asking.

Ding ding ! We have a winner !
The Shape of Things to Come (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=113112&fullsize=1) / Dead is Dead (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128083&fullsize=1)
Look at the trousers (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128087&fullsize=1) too, I'd say it's the same outfit.

Definitely "Island Green" - that Ep all of Team Locke was in the same tone - Sawyer, Locke, Ben, Hurley, Alex.

Back to this one...she looks like she is wearing grey to me when she died, and in the screen caps from the episode the shirt looks the same but more green-ish. However, on my screen, her shirt looked a lot more green than that screen cap shows--I wonder if her grey shirt was color doctored for her smoke monster appearance?

~

Kind of striking light/dark thing going on with Kate/Cassidy...not the best photo of it (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-94.html) but Kate is wearing a dark patterned shirt to Kate's flowing white blouse.

Jack's shirt looks particularly dark grey while making the decision to not help Ben (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-554.html). And is it just me, or did Juliet switch (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-522.html) outfits (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-530.html) when she walked into the bathroom?

rthensley

04-14-2009, 03:00 PM

As usual, rt, you have us going round and round in circles.

You give me too much credit, or is that blame? ;)

So are you now trying to tell me that you don't make posts trying to prove/support the theory? I hope I am hearing (well, reading) you wrong. No way I would buy that.

Miles can talk to dead people. Des has a unique ability to step outside the laws of TT. Those have been confirmed, for starters.

I recognized those.

You said powers were predicted on page 1 of the theory. What I was wondering is what powers your are attributing to our Losties that they had soon after the thread's introduction. Miles did not come into the show until much later. Des, I ASSUME, did not get his "power" until the Swan implosion. No big deal either way. Just trying to pick your brain.

Anyway, kids have a track meet. Have to leave for the day.

Lucidity

04-14-2009, 03:49 PM

Devera >
Back to this one...she looks like she is wearing grey to me when she died, and in the screen caps from the episode the shirt looks the same but more green-ish. However, on my screen, her shirt looked a lot more green than that screen cap shows--I wonder if her grey shirt was color doctored for her smoke monster appearance?

It's definitely possible. We've seen that done a few times now :
Naomi went much more Green for her Death scene.
Boone's shirt was much more Green when he appeared to Locke, after his Death.
Aaron's birth seemed more Green too.
And I think I'm forgetting one. But yeah, definitely a possibility.

Kind of striking light/dark thing going on with Kate/Cassidy.. .not the best photo of it (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-94.html) but Kate is wearing a dark patterned shirt to Kate's flowing white blouse.

Jack's shirt looks particularly dark grey while making the decision to not help Ben (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-554.html).

Cassody stood out for me particularly.

And is it just me, or did Juliet switch (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-522.html) outfits (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-530.html) when she walked into the bathroom?

Nice catch. It's a shame the second one is too dark to tell if it's another Purple. She did a quick changed in Tale Of Two Cities too, when her muffins burnt.

rthensley >
So are you now trying to tell me that you don't make posts trying to prove/support the theory? I hope I am hearing (well, reading) you wrong. No way I would buy that.

No, what I've been trying to tell you (and I really don't know why it's so hard for you to understand) is that NOT ALL OF THE POSTS are supposed to be support for the theory, SOME are just discussion. And as for PROOF, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE. It would be futile to try - much like trying to explain anything to see you feels like futility itself.

I recognized those.

You said powers were predicted on page 1 of the theory. What I was wondering is what powers your are attributing to our Losties that they had soon after the thread's introduction. Miles did not come into the show until much later. Des, I ASSUME, did not get his "power" until the Swan implosion. No big deal either way. Just trying to pick your brain.

TWO ISSUES. ONE ISSUE - what powers we've been shown, which is what you asked. A DIFFERENT QUESTION - what Powers I predicted from Page 1.

As for Des, I predicted he would Time Travel right back during the scene at the stadium, EVEN BEFORE "PAGE 1".

Devera

04-14-2009, 04:54 PM

Nice catch. It's a shame the second one is too dark to tell if it's another Purple. She did a quick changed in Tale Of Two Cities too, when her muffins burnt.

It seems that her undershirt is light violet, but I agree--the overshirt is too dark to tell...I can't tell if it is black, purple, or navy blue.

Edit to add: Jane says that it is the same outfit just lit differently. I guess it is (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-516.html). So the entire top is purple, but it's really hard to tell in the bathroom scene.
Edit to add 2: And Sam.

Sam G

04-14-2009, 06:03 PM

And is it just me, or did Juliet switch (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-522.html) outfits (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-530.html) when she walked into the bathroom?

Dev,

I'm not sure I'm seeing what you mean as a change in clothes. I think it is the lighting.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-523.html on the way to the bathroom

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1480-517.html - purple

Although, I wouldn't disregard lighting changes - we have the Kate's outfit in BTR color change green/purple (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-450-647.html) change.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-450-647.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-450-648.html

Lucidity

04-14-2009, 06:42 PM

Yeah, you're right, Sam (and Jane), it is the same outfit. That side-on shot in the living-room just doesn't look like the same top - the material seems a different texture, and the fit seems totally different. But that shot Sam posted of her turning her back to the camera leaves no doubt.

Just copying this from yesterday. With the debate with rt it's got left behind and I think it might be important.

Lucidity >
We've talked before about the idea that Locke could be the Green Knight (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/0/0d/TeenageLocke.jpg) - in case anyone's not getting it, the logo for his school, Cowin Heights, was a Green Knight. Even the name - Cowin, sounds a bit like Gawain, as in "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight".

Anyway, ABC have got a couple of new T-Shirts coming out towards the end of the Season and one of them is the Cowin Heights logo (http://abctvstore.seenon.com/detail.php?p=88012&pa=dotw&SESSID=33e22d7177d6441f61b46e3f66cce2d3) (DEFINITELY going to be getting myself one!). So far the logo has only really been discussed, that I know of, here on The Sewing Kit, so could it be that we were right, and it's going to become rather significant?

addictedfan

04-14-2009, 10:29 PM

You thought we were trying to provide supporting evidence every time we mention Colour use. I've told you that's not the case.

I've admitted to that. I'll pay more attention from now on. So according to you, When we think something is evidence to support the theory we say so. From now on I'll assume any color talk where the post does not link a color usage to this theory is just an interpretation of a scene. Any post that links a color usage to this theroy, I'll consider fair game to analyze. Fair?

For examples:

"Sawyer is reading a purple book"

No color connection drawn. I'll ignore this one.

"Ben is wearing his red shirt because he is deceiving"

Color connection established. Fair to analyze.

Deal?

BTW, you did not answer my question about the Amy/green connection. To be fair, I don't guess I phrased it as a question. Do you believe that scene should be considered "evidence"?

Can you not see the difference between 1) seeing evidence that gives us some kind of rule / pattern, and 2) applying those rules / patterns to scenes? It's not random, it's not a suggestion of further evidence.

Man, should I even go here? I think not.

I could, but I don't want to or see the need to

I can understand you not wanting to do it. It would take tons of time.

The need to do it is paramount. The best way to prove a theory is to try and disprove it.

Yeah, I noticed that.

If my main goal was to disprove your theory, I would be the one putting in the time to try and disprove it. Not that important to me.

RT, I am new to this thread but have read most of it and I gotta ask you a question...
Do you not see any Color Symbolism or use of Color to illustrate themes,emotions,or happenings at all??? Colors are often used in films and literature as symbolism.
Here's a link to an article/essay about M. Night Shyamalan's use of color in his movies...

http://department.monm.edu/portfolio/2008portfolios/psteskal/PDF%20Files/NewPDFs/SemioticsFinal.pdf

Like I said, I'm new to the Sewing Kit theory of Color in Lost. But I too have noticed for some time that there are a lot of COLOR REPETITIONS that are being used as a device to emphasize certain emotions and/ happenings.
Red, Black, and White are of course the most obvious but I see a pattern to Blue,Greens, and Oranges too. Maybe purples...

Devera

04-14-2009, 10:56 PM

By the way, addictedfan, I can't remember if I welcomed you to joining us in the thread...it's always great to have more Sewing Kit enthusiasts...so in case I didn't, welcome. I also loved your comment about horizontal vs. vertical stripes--I'm definitely going to be looking for those now!

Luc, I definitely am excited to see that logo becoming prominent. The store has often been ahead of the times, so to speak, like when it started releasing newer Dharma station logos. It should be interesting!

rthensley

04-15-2009, 09:31 AM

RT, I am new to this thread but have read most of it and I gotta ask you a question...
Do you not see any Color Symbolism or use of Color to illustrate themes,emotions,or happenings at all??? Colors are often used in films and literature as symbolism.

I see cinematic uses of color everywhere on Lost. I just don't see it as described in this thread.

Color has always been used to illustrate the things you mentiion. Color was even used before the invention of color films for symbolism. You know. Good cowboy = white hat. Bad cowboy = black hat.

It is pretty common that green & "earthy" tones are used to portray nature and "earthy" scenes. We even have someone from the costume department saying that he chooses clothes to not detract from the natural surroundings. IMHO, he is talking about not taking away from the natural beauty of Hawaii. If that is the case, and I'm very much prepared to be wrong about this, then it makes perfect sense that we see a lot of green & "earthy" colors (and not a lot of "flashy" colors) during jungle scenes.

I can only think of one instance when someone from Lost commented on a specific color being chosen for a character. It was something colored blue being chosen for Jack. This person said they chose blue for Jack to portray a calmness. Blue = calmness. Another classical cinematic use of color.

Apparently I have been taking a lot of these posts like they were intended to be used to support/prove the theory. According to Lucidity, that is not the intent. I have a hard time distinguishing between "proof" posts and "discussion" posts.

I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE. It would be futile to try -

Actually Luc I think you are wrong about this. That is the attraction of this theory/thread. There are ways to draw some very strong conclusions about this theory. Granted, maybe not 100% prove, but very strong conclusions can be drawn.

For example, the green = death connection. That is someting tangible that can be examined. Many of the theories on this board do not have things that can really be examined.

That is what makes this theory so popular. EVERYONE can see color on Lost and comment on it. You don't have to have an understanding of time travel (as if anyone does) or need any other scientific knowledge. You just have to be able to spot colors.

Just had a cllient come in. Have to do some real work now.

Devera

04-16-2009, 02:51 AM

Off the top of my head, what stood out and I actually remembered:

Jack's wearing a green shirt under his jumpsuit, which seemed odd for Jack...Juliet was wearing all kinds of red when James walked in on her and Jack's chat. She reminded me of Claire's mom.

Faraday has changed outfits--he's dressed all in black.

Baby Miles was in pastel blue with a Dharma logo.

Sam G

04-16-2009, 09:11 AM

Roger sitting on the red swing set when Kate goes to talk to him - I knew it wasn't going to go well.

Lucidity

04-18-2009, 08:14 PM

We also had yet another "special" child in Coloured hoops : cute Miles (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128184&fullsize=1).
And notice that the Colour there was Red, and then again : Linkin Park Miles (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128243&fullsize=1).
It's been a while, but we have Red as the Perception Power, so that works great with Miles' ability.
Oh, and speaking of Powers, I loved Hurley's "You're just jealous because my powers better than yours".

Sam G

04-18-2009, 09:19 PM

The apartment that Miles and his mom lived in, completely San Fernando Valley, I wouldn't be surprised if they really filmed that here.

Juliet in red.

Lucidity

04-19-2009, 04:30 PM

Sam G >
Juliet in red.

Yeah, just to bring things together a little, Sam suggested on the last page of All my past and futures (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=85879&page=31) that there might be something funny going on with Juliet, which would certainly make sense of the Red.

The Press Release . . .

. . . for an upcoming Ep talks about a division in the camp too, so maybe Juliet and Jack have formed a plan. In terms of their "ships" I think that would be very easily understood - Jack realises Kate still likes Sawyer and Juliet realises Sawyer still likes Kate.

Ah, "the double rebound" - the motive for two people getting together that never goes out of fashion. :biggrin:

Lost Ed

04-20-2009, 12:59 PM

Other than his "power", what's up with Hurley's red T-shirt? He's had that for awhile now. Still waiting for him to be, or to deceive.

rthensley

04-20-2009, 02:20 PM

Other than his "power", what's up with Hurley's red T-shirt?

Maybe he is deceiving us about his power?

Devera

04-20-2009, 04:53 PM

Great thread regarding the symbols on the back of the guys escorting Widmore to the sub: here (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?p=2162489#post2162489). They also apparently were the guys who escorted Juliet. Apparently the symbol means "water," but also "abyss" and "danger." Notice that the color is yellow. That seems like it might support the idea that orange and yellow mean danger.

BeLu

04-21-2009, 12:31 AM

That swingset (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1484-135.html)Roger and Kate have a conversation on looks purple here.
Lots of yellow (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1484-274.html)behind the guys working on the Swan and the hatch door.
Here's the picture of Juliet in her red (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1484-315.html)shirt. She's holding a reddish mug too (or maybe purply?)

Overall, not a whole lot of color in this episode, other than the standard blue Dharma van.

Liplocked

04-21-2009, 06:25 AM

Other than his "power", what's up with Hurley's red T-shirt?

Maybe he is deceiving us about his power?

Perhaps his 'red' power is persuasion? I know the case for deception where red is concerned, but to be deceived, mustn't you first believe?

rthensley

04-21-2009, 10:40 AM

Apparently the symbol means "water," but also "abyss" and "danger." Notice that the color is yellow.

The dreaded I Ching (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching). We discussed those symbols at length on this thread. Well, I believe it was this thread. Definitely some interesting reading.

Liplocked

04-21-2009, 11:02 AM

This has some ideas that'll be familiar to regulars here as well as ringing cultural bells:

http://iit.bloomu.edu/vthc/Design/psychology.htm

My faves are, Yellow for Hope :biggrin: Green for Danger (in the tropics), Blue for Protection (in the Middle East), Red for Desire... I think I can make that work, almost everything to do with black *swoon* and best of all;

White for Sterility.

Pull on your Dharma parkas everyone. I know some like it Hoth, but I think it's about to get seriously chilly around here.

rthensley

04-22-2009, 11:17 AM

Blue's meanings (http://iit.bloomu.edu/vthc/Design/psychology.htm) are varied (from LipLocked's link):

Blue represents peace, tranquility, calm, stability, harmony, unity, trust, truth, confidence, conservatism, security, cleanliness, order, loyalty, sky, water, cold, technology, and depression.

Blue can "slow the pulse rate, lower body temperature, and reduce appetite." Blue is considered a business color because it reflects reliability.

In China, blue is associated with immortality.
In Colombia, blue is associated with soap.
For Hindus blue is the color of Krishna.
For the Jews, blue symbolizes holiness.
In the Middle East blue is a protective color.

Another color-associations (http://wuzzle.org/cave/colors.html) link.

This one has blue as: Signifies: tranquility, understanding, patience, health, truth, devotion, sincerity, honor, loyalty, peace, wisdom, protection during sleep, astral projection Planets: Moon, Venus, Saturn, Jupiter Days: Monday, Friday, Saturday, Thursday Astrological: Libra, Sagittarius

A Wiki color-association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_symbolism) link:

Blue:

Blue can symbolize seas, men, productive, interior, skies, peace, unity, harmony, tranquility, calmness, trust, coolness, confidence, conservatism, water, ice, loyalty, dependability, cleanliness, technology, winter, depression, coldness, idealism, air, wisdom, royalty, nobility, Earth (planet), Virgo (light blue), Pisces (pale blue) and Aquarius (dark blue, star sign), strength, steadfastness, light, friendliness, peace, mourning (Iran),[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] truthfulness, love, liberalism (US politics), and conservatism (UK & European politics). In many diverse cultures, blue is significant in religious beliefs. It is held to keep the bad spirits, stupidity and misfortune away.

Let's stick with blue (http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/color-meaning.html).

Blue is the color of the sky and sea. It is often associated with depth and stability. It symbolizes trust, loyalty, wisdom, confidence, intelligence, faith, truth, and heaven.
Blue is considered beneficial to the mind and body. It slows human metabolism and produces a calming effect. Blue is strongly associated with tranquility and calmness. In heraldry, blue is used to symbolize piety and sincerity.
You can use blue to promote products and services related to cleanliness (water purification filters, cleaning liquids, vodka), air and sky (airlines, airports, air conditioners), water and sea (sea voyages, mineral water). As opposed to emotionally warm colors like red, orange, and yellow; blue is linked to consciousness and intellect. Use blue to suggest precision when promoting high-tech products.
Blue is a masculine color; according to studies, it is highly accepted among males. Dark blue is associated with depth, expertise, and stability; it is a preferred color for corporate America.
Avoid using blue when promoting food and cooking, because blue suppresses appetite. When used together with warm colors like yellow or red, blue can create high-impact, vibrant designs; for example, blue-yellow-red is a perfect color scheme for a superhero.

Light blue is associated with health, healing, tranquility, understanding, and softness.
Dark blue represents knowledge, power, integrity, and seriousness.

This (http://poynterextra.org/cp/colorproject/color.html) is a pretty cool color site.
100%
Some more blue (http://www.digitalskratch.com/color-pyschology.htm) stuff:

Blue is a cool calming color that shows creativity and intelligence. It is a popular color among large corporations, hospitals and airlines. It is a color of loyalty, strength, wisdom and trust. Blue has a calming effect on the psyche. Blue is the color of the sky and the sea and is often used to represent those images. Blue is a color that generally looks good in almost any shade and is a popular color among males. Blue is not a good color when used for food as there are few blue foods found in nature and it suppresses the appetite.

Some blue, cultural (http://webdesign.about.com/od/color/a/bl_colorculture.htm) meanings:

Blue

Cherokees: Defeat, trouble
Iran: Color of heaven and spirituality
Western: Depression, sadness, conservative, corporate, "something blue" bridal tradition

Tons (http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/colorselection/p/blue.htm) of information on the color blue.

Link (http://desktoppub.about.com/od/tests/l/blcolormatching.htm) to a color-association quiz. I only got 6 of 10 correct.

Sam G

04-22-2009, 02:00 PM

More very interesting usage of color in Fringe.

You'll know what I mean Luc.

Liplocked

04-22-2009, 02:28 PM

I don't much care for blue; I find it cold, conservative and boring.

I hate to be surrounded by it - I feel repressed.

I like calming greens, and revolutionary red.

gtg! blasted cooker alarm :rolleyes:

stefanie_bean

04-23-2009, 02:08 PM

Red is Perception (Desmond's clairvoyance, Sayid's ability to spot lies)

Re: red and perception.

In "Fire + Water," (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_%2B_Water) Hurley appears as a "biblical" figure, wearing maroon robes. Also, in "The Beginning of the End, (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Beginning_of_the_End)" Jack encounters Hurley in the mental institution gym, where Hurley is shooting baskets - in an maroon bathrobe. The following interchange occurs:

HURLEY: I don't think we did the right thing, Jack. I think it wants us to come back.
JACK: Hurley.
HURLEY: And its going to do everything it can...
JACK: (Shouts) We're never going back!
[Jack heads for the door]
HURLEY: Never say never, dude.

It's as if Hurley has his "prophetic" robes on again.

Sam G

04-24-2009, 12:40 AM

Miles (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128184&fullsize=1)
Hurley (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=121133&fullsize=1)

rthensley

04-24-2009, 09:34 AM

Some more horizontal stripes examples:

Charlie (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-18-214.html)

Kate (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-19-82.html)

Lady (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-22-197.html) in background

Man (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-486-151.html) in foreground

Desmond (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1085-371.html)

Research station guy (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1085-1398.html)

Sam G

04-30-2009, 09:38 AM

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/089c0e261b91f5d10f609cc4f1ca954d for fun.

Liked the way Daniel's gun seemed to shine green on the side when he was threatening to shoot Richard.

Lucidity

04-30-2009, 03:32 PM

Sam G
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/ima...609cc4f1ca954d (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/089c0e261b91f5d10f609cc4f1ca954d) for fun.

That was the best sign we might be right yet, in my opinion. Powers, but suggested from a pseudo-scientific viewpoint. JJ Abrams recently did a guest-editor spot on an issue for them - I really think this particular edition appearing was very, very deliberate. There's even the number 108 on the cover, and the "superhero" is wearing the two Colours we've seen together most prevalently - Blue and Red.

Sam G

05-02-2009, 10:30 AM

addictedfan

05-02-2009, 03:59 PM

Eloise's Black & White earrings. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128731&fullsize=1) Through most of the episode she has on black and white earrings.

Lots of purple - Penny, Eloise and Theresa, even Widmore's tie is purple.

The last scene when Eloise shoots Dan, Purple and Orange.
Nice catch on Eloise's earrings! She is conflicted b/w the dark and the light side...Faith vs. Science,etc.
And what she does to Daniel her son is not black or white ...not strictly good or strictly evil. Apparently she sacrifices her son for a "greater purpose"....

1977 Ellie was wearing Orange when she shot her own son,Daniel.That does fit with danger.

Wish we could figure out the meaning of Purple....or did I miss something? Did you all come to any conclusions on purple's meaning?

Lucidity

05-02-2009, 06:07 PM

Great catch on those earrings, Sam. It's those little details that reassure me the creators of Lost really are capable of the kind of thing we're proposing here.

Hawking in Orange really stood out for me too.

addictedfan >
Wish we could figure out the meaning of Purple....or did I miss something?

As it stands we've got Purple for Love, as a Theme (well, Sam and others have suggested perhaps Passion rather than simply Love, but definitely something along those lines) and Purple for Time Travel as a Power.

The other day I noticed a recap on Dark's site for that ODI podcast and ODI had said that Juliet in Red means she might be about to die. Thought it was a strange thing to think, just in terms of the Colour, I mean. ODI will have to check out the thread !

Sam G

05-02-2009, 08:51 PM

Just for fun the Rabbit (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=128815&fullsize=1) illusion in Daniel's glass.

Lucidity

05-15-2009, 12:13 PM

Last few Eps have been a bit of a non-starter for Colour use, but there were a couple of interesting bits in the Finale.

Nadia was in Purple (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=130242&fullsize=1), reinforcing the whole Love / Purple idea.
And Sayid is wearing a very similar paisley shirt to the one Sawyer was wearing for the Juliet reveal.

Then, the screencaps don't do it justice, but we got a close-up of the lights changing to Green (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=130243&fullsize=1) and I knew we were about to see Nadia's death.

But the clearest Colour-use of all was the very first scene. "Two sides. One light, one dark." (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=130042&fullsize=1)
That one scene has totally proven that the Colour of clothes on the show is being used deliberately. Yes, I know it could just be for Black and White. But no-one could now dispute the fact that Colour choices on Lost are far from random.

Sam G

05-15-2009, 04:52 PM

And Juliet wearing the redshirt, kind of going back to Boone tearing up the redshirt as markers.

Devera

05-15-2009, 05:24 PM

I actually thought for some reason that Juliet's red shirt looked pink in this episode...which I realized, indicates the third blonde woman dying in pink (Shannon, Nikki with the white and pink blouse, now Juliet).

P.S. Although I'm not sure that Juliet really died, so that might be a fallacy.
P.P.S. Then again, Nikki wasn't dead at first either.

Lucidity

05-15-2009, 06:33 PM

I would say Juliet was in a sort of fuchsia / magenta colour, which, in my mind, would fall into the Purple category. Though I know many would disagree (which is why I didn't suggest it was still Purple for Love!).

If you look here (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/f/fd/514juliet.jpg), it's definitely looking a little more like a Red, but then look at the same top here (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/2/2b/JulietHit.JPG). And then, just to confuse matters further, we've got young Juliet (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/2/21/S5-finale-young-Juliet-Rachel.jpg) in something betweeen fuchsia and pink.

I need time to rethink things clearly, but I'm actually starting to wonder if Pink / Purple / Blue might all be on the same side of things.

Sam G

05-15-2009, 06:49 PM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1490-33.html

Juliet's blouse Iooks rosy red to me. Red with a hint of blue=purple. Young Juliet rose.

Young Kate in green (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1490-23.html) NKOTB lunch box (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1490-24.html) red & yellow.

Caution Dr. Chang (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1490-81.html)

Devera

05-15-2009, 07:53 PM

Juliet's blouse looks red to me in the scenes with the red lights, otherwise it looks fuschia...which to me is an undeniable pink color. Hee! I love ya guys and how everyone sees things differently, but we all know the colors mean something.

Lucidity

05-17-2009, 12:44 PM

Well, at least we agree it's either a Pink, a Red, or a Purple !

There's something I stumbled upon doing the obligatory Wikipedia research on Jacob and his brother, Esau, potentially Mr Black. And I know it's a stretch, but perhaps it'll develop into something more solid.

We know we've seen Red and Blue paired together a lot, and they seem to be opposing sides. Well, Jacob was renamed Israel, which was later the name given to the country. Esau was also given the name Edom, which gave name to the nation descended from him. Getting to the point, Edom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom) means "Red" and, here's the stretch, Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), as a nation, is associated with Blue.

So, Esau is Mr Black, his people, Edom, are the Reds. Jacob is Mr White, his people, Israel, are the Blues.

What do you all think? Something to it, or too much of a stretch? In terms of sides, I still believe there might be a third side, which is the Island, Green.

Devera

05-17-2009, 01:34 PM

I like that connection, Luc. So...then Juliet is on Black Player's side probably...

I also like the idea of a third option. I get the feeling that there has to be someone above the two people fighting, a unity.

Sam G

05-30-2009, 11:48 AM

The Tapestry (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=131532&fullsize=1) does it look like the eye is green? Hadn't noticed it before.

Devera

05-30-2009, 12:50 PM

It does kind of look green to me, Sam.

Lucidity

05-31-2009, 07:52 PM

Devera >
So...then Juliet is on Black Player's side probably...

Well, that takes us back to the question of whether Juliet's top falls in the Red category or the Purple. :rolleyes: :biggrin:

I also like the idea of a third option.

Sam G >
The Tapestry (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=131532&fullsize=1) does it look like the eye is green? Hadn't noticed it before.

Very well spotted, Sam. Can't be without meaning. And that, I'd say, is our third side.
"I looked into the eye of this Island and what I saw was beautiful."
Island > Eye > Green.

Devera

05-31-2009, 08:03 PM

Definitely. Island = Eyeland.

jane_eire

05-31-2009, 10:26 PM

The Island likes greens and purples, the colors of magic...

2lamama

06-01-2009, 06:21 AM

Definitely. Island = Eyeland.

Wow -- cool observation.

Devera

06-01-2009, 11:17 AM

Wow -- cool observation.

It's not mine originally, it's been around for awhile. But yes, it's very cool. :biggrin:

Redbird

06-01-2009, 06:50 PM

Well, that takes us back to the question of whether Juliet's top falls in the Red category or the Purple. :rolleyes: :biggrin:

Very well spotted, Sam. Can't be without meaning. And that, I'd say, is our third side.
"I looked into the eye of this Island and what I saw was beautiful."
Island > Eye > Green.

A interesting place. (http://www.egyptianmyths.net/colors.htm)

Liplocked

06-02-2009, 06:38 AM

Lovely link Redbird :) I was reminded last night that the crown of Egypt - though described above as physically white - is both Red and White by association with the two powers that came together and are represented on the crown in animal form.

http://www.egyptologyonline.com/pharaoh%27s_crowns.htm

Your name makes you sound like a robin or a cardinal - but are you in fact a vulture?

Loved seeing the baboons described as mystifyingly blue ...did the author not take a look at their rears? :rolleyes: The wall painting of baboons in King Tut's burial chamber is very Wizard of Oz; their fur looks so like feathers you can't but look at them and think of Flying Monkeys.

Has this thread dealt with colour and its associations in WoZ? Yellow, white, green, red and blue all had their lands and people.

~ Wouldn't you know I passed on my copy only yesterday. :rolleyes: Doh!

Redbird

06-02-2009, 04:14 PM

Your name makes you sound like a robin or a cardinal - but are you in fact a vulture?

LOL! No I am a Cayuse. Not the tribe, the helicopter. Red Bird Down.

Devera

06-02-2009, 04:26 PM

Has this thread dealt with colour and its associations in WoZ? Yellow, white, green, red and blue all had their lands and people.

~ Wouldn't you know I passed on my copy only yesterday. :rolleyes: Doh!

I don't have my copies with me either, but I would be interested!

I'm also interested in Jane's comment that purple and green are the colors of magic, I googled around and couldn't find anything with that particular color combination.

I wonder if red vs. blue might also be reflected in the show via Yankees vs. Red Sox fans.

Liplocked

06-03-2009, 04:54 AM

The word you need Devera, is octarine: http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Octarine

The main point about colour in The Wizard of Oz I think is this: The Emerald City appears so green because everyone entering the city is made to wear green lensed glasses.

On removing hers, Dorothy discovers the green dress she's been given was in fact always white.

She had fallen for an illusion created by adherence to the rules of the Man behind the Curtain.

2lamama

06-03-2009, 08:19 AM

Devera

06-03-2009, 12:14 PM

The word you need Devera, is octarine: http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Octarine

Pratchett! I should have known he was in play, of course. Thank you.

Jin has been associated with both green and purple in the past, maybe he's really an octarine. He lived when it seems highly improbable--maybe the Island likes him.

The main point about colour in The Wizard of Oz I think is this: The Emerald City appears so green because everyone entering the city is made to wear green lensed glasses.

On removing hers, Dorothy discovers the green dress she's been given was in fact always white.

She had fallen for an illusion created by adherence to the rules of the Man behind the Curtain.

It's all about point of view. :yes:

Also regarding The Wizard of Oz, don't forget the diffferences between the book and the movie! Are the slippers that Dorothy took off the dead witch silver or red? It's not LOST without shoes and feet.

Lucidity

06-03-2009, 08:13 PM

The Discworld Colour-connection has come up a couple of times over the years, but I've never managed to find an article or something that explains exactly what the Colours correspond to.

The Wizard of Oz stuff is an interesting Lost connection too. And, Redbird, the Egyptian connections had me on the edge of my seat when I saw Green as the Colour for New Life. But unfortunately the other Colours don't match up quite so well. The Green section links to this page (http://www.egyptianmyths.net/udjat.htm) on the Eye of Horus. Could that tie in with all the eye close-ups? It also says that Horus lost his left eye in a fight with his brother Seth. Could the glass eye in the Arrow have been a clue to this?

Liplocked

06-04-2009, 02:08 AM

Oz's yellow brick road - the path which one must follow - suits my interpretation of LOST's attributes for that colour rather well.

Yellow appears when characters get a 'nudge'. It was all over the road when Nadia was killed.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110008361 <-- in case we stray too far from the straight and narrative. :)

Sam G

06-13-2009, 11:49 AM

I've started re-watching the episodes and if something new jumps out at me I'll add it in.

White Rabbit - when young Jack goes in to see Christian and Christian is telling Jack about the boy that died on the table that day - ODD we have the diplomas passing in the background and then there's one with a very bright green border around it.

Watching House of the Rising Sun, I realized the watch that Michael lost had a red watchband, I was going to make a mention of it but forgot when I was watching the other episode.

The axe that Michael used to free Jin had red on the head of it but also had yellow on the handle.

Liplocked

06-16-2009, 11:38 AM

LOL! No I am a Cayuse. Not the tribe, the helicopter. Red Bird Down.

Ah! lol - I got to play in a Merlin simulator at a science fair back in the spring. I brought it down with a bit of a bump - but nobody told me I died so I musta done a half decent job.

The thing about Octarine, Luc; is that you have to be 'special' to see it. Or a cat probably.

Silver shoes mighn't be LOST canon Dev, but they would work very well (I'm going to get all hiatusy in this post - you have been warned): according to wikipedia :rolleyes: - who I can't be bothered to disparage it being such a nice day and all - the word silver is derived from a Greek word for white.

It is the most electrically conductive of the elements and has the highest thermal conductivity of any metal (doesn't tell me about how it performs near FDWs though).

And it's used in mirrors of course. :biggrin: (can't mention Jack's Best Man was a Silverman ...I said I wouldn't do that again).

During WWII, when copper was in short supply, it was used in the electromagnets that enriched uranium (what? lol - I gotta get me some book learnin' - I have no idea how that process works) and;

Silver sulfide - a tarnish formed on exposure to ozone - is black.

Sam G

06-21-2009, 06:29 PM

Doing the re-wind and catching little things in HD - WTCMB - Shannon and Sayid are looking over Danielle's maps and there are 2 electronics boxes in front of her, clearly you can see sewing kit, basic yellow, blue and red inside each.

Lots of sewing kit colored luggage.

We've probably mentioned this before but in Hearts and Minds - the shoes that Sayid gives to Shannon are purple, several shades and pink.

Devera

06-22-2009, 03:34 AM

Something that really struck me in rewatching the Pilot was that Shannon was wearing an orange bikini when having her conversation with Claire. And she said "They're coming" to Claire (in reference to rescue, but we've heard that phrase recently in a different context) and asked if Claire knew what it was, referring to Aaron. I couldn't decide if the orange was because Shannon was in danger from the beginning, or if Shannon was more dangerous than people give her credit for...interesting now that she was so intense about killing Locke as well as had the connection with Vincent, the Walt visions...

Devera

07-04-2009, 11:29 AM

Sam posted a link to this article on the Damon Lindelof/Carlton Cuse thread: link (http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/lost/carlton-cuse-and-damon-lindelof-matthew-fox-doesnt-know-jack-about-lost-ending/6132)

I'm posting it here due to the interesting color choices of their outfits (http://www.tvovermind.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Damon_carlton.jpg) since we have seen them do clues before with what they were wearing (last year with both of them in purple).

First of all, we have what appears to be superficially a red vs. blue set up. Lindelof is wearing a grey shirt over white with RED text that says "NY Yanks WORLD CHAMPIONS 2010" and Cuse is wearing a BLUE shirt with white lettering that says "OBAMA * FOUR MORE YEARS." Lindelof is also wearing an eye patch, whatever that means. However, we also have both of them wearing white (and I find it odd that the Yankees t-shirt is red when normally their colors are blue...is Damon in disguise)?

(Off topic from color, but we also have the fact that the shirts they are advertising have to do with two separate teams that have nothing to do with each other--Lindelof for baseball, Cuse for politics--comparing apples and oranges. Looking at the text, we also have them arguing over an "end time"--like the Jacob vs. Man-in-black camps?--Lindelof for 2010, Cuse for "four more years").

I know, this is way too much overanalysis for something that isn't in the show. Ah well. :)

Sam G

07-04-2009, 12:44 PM

The picture was taken from a Comic-Con video

http://tvblog.ugo.com/tv/damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cuse-talk-lost-season-5

The first feature was one that made its way around during Comic Con, featuring Cuse and Lindelof doing a flash forward of their own. The bit is to advertise the existence of an episode length compilation of the flash-forwards told in a chronologically correct fashion. Cuse appears with an Obama “Four more years” T-shirt, while Damon sports an eye patch, the result of an angry fan responding to a plot twist by ‘gouging’ Lindelof’s eye out.

Devera

07-04-2009, 01:01 PM

Haha, great. Thanks for putting it in context, Sam. I still wonder if it might not be a "clue." Flashforward to red vs. blue time? ;)

Sam G

07-04-2009, 03:01 PM

During Numbers, I think we mentioned that Grandpa Tito was wearing green but I also noticed that the house in the background was also green.

During "Do No Harm" Aaron is wrapped in one of the blue Oceanic blankets and so is Boone. Lots of blue in this episode.
100%
YouTube - Lost - The future of Cuse and Lindelof *** NEW DHARMA SPECIAL ACCESS VIDEO ***

Here's the video with the eyepatch

Sam G

07-18-2009, 12:17 PM

...and Found

Kate is wearing lavender looking through the bottle for a note from Sawyer.

Lucidity

07-20-2009, 12:51 PM

Just jumping back into the conversation - it's been a while.

Devera, I'd say Shannon in Orange was more of a general Danger sign than specifically Shannon in Danger or being the cause of Danger.

Sam, I may be wrong, but I don't remember reading that one about Tito in Green before. Here's a screencap (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=32229&fullsize=1). There really is a lot of Green going on there.

I've been thinking a lot about the whole Black and White question in light of the scene with Jacob and his enemy. I'm pretty sure that the two sides are basically them or what they represent, Good and Evil, whatever.

I think when you also consider all of the "see you on the other side" and "in another life" comments, and the Black / White titlescreen switch, that Black and White might actually represent Life and Death.

It's getting a bit beyond Colour-discussion, but it's so key to this point that I'd also like to bring up the question of what Jacob was doing exactly in each of those FBs.Was he ensuring they'd stay on a path that would lead them to the Island, or are they somehow "special" and that's why he took an interest in them, and that's the reason they ended up on the Island?

So any thoughts on what Jacob was doing and / or what exactly the two sides represent?

If you read the Rumours . . .

. . . you're bound to have heard the ones about original, dead S1 castmembers being signed up for S6. If they're somehow back alive that could also be relevant to the White "Lost" screen we saw at the end of S5.

Devera

07-20-2009, 01:03 PM

Off topic from the current conversation, Luc, but I thought you might be interested in this thread:
"They're Coming"..an Evolutionary Odyssey (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=115356)

It is discussing the idea of powers as part of the next step of evolution, reminded me of some of your ideas.

Sam G

07-20-2009, 01:47 PM

Out of the Losties Jacob touched, Kate and Sawyer were the only ones he touched as children. I thought that was an interesting point to wonder about.

Lucidity

07-20-2009, 05:34 PM

Thanks Devera for pointing me to that thread. Very interesting.

Sam,
Yeah, I've wondered and wondered what the significance was to the different stages at which he visited them. Are we to assume there have been other visits that we simply weren't shown? Or do we assume he wasn't aware of Hurley, for example, until he'd been to the Island. But yeah, I've got the distinct feeling there's a pattern to find or a deduction that can be made. Jack was visited pre-Island, for example, and yet he wasn't on Jacob's list. Kate and Sawyer were visited as kids and were among those requested by the Others on Klugh's list for Hurley. Sayid, well, that was just weird in itself. Was his presence somehow the cause of Nadia's death? Or, what I suspect, had he not been there, would Sayid have died too?

Lucidity

07-26-2009, 10:56 AM

Well, Darlton have confirmed the Rumours . . .

Lots of dead S1 castmembers will be back and from the Comic-con videos it looks like they're playing with Alternate Realities, presumably one in which 815 didn't crash. So that would explain the inverted Lost screen - Black to White. At the end of the Lost panel the same White version was used.

So is the Island Death (Black)? And they're now back to the land of the living (White)? Could that be what those Colours are about?

There's a cool Dharma video that's available here (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=lostmysteries&v2) too. It talks about them walking among us but not being like us, etc. And 1 minute in there's a moment when they talk about their Power (not PowerS, unfortunately, but still).

"The scope of their power is unbeknownst to even the most intelligent minds of our time."

And there's a graphic displaying some formulae. Maybe it's a long shot, but the use of Colours there together with talk of Power made me wonder, well, hope.

Sam G

07-26-2009, 05:53 PM

I noticed that too.

Devera

08-03-2009, 06:11 PM

Why is Kevin wearing red (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1196-823.html) here? Is it because Kate is deceiving him, or is there something deceptive about Kevin?

Also, his shirt has a burning ring of fire on it.

Sam G

08-03-2009, 06:29 PM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1196-856.html

Yep, don't drink things served by Kate.

Devera

08-03-2009, 06:32 PM

That's for sure! I just think it's weird that she's not the lady in red, though.

I feel really bad for him throughout this whole scene (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1196-851.html). He doesn't know what hit him.

Hildy

08-04-2009, 12:02 AM

Devera

08-04-2009, 01:13 AM

:wavey:Hildy.

Sam set me right on another thread, it's a Miami Heat (http://www.miami-bar.com/images/gallery/miami-heat-1.jpg) t-shirt...which, of course, makes sense because they are in Florida. Apparently Kevin is a basketball fan. Hoops!

I still think burning ring of fire and colors are significant, though.

We do have a lot of rings (and circles and loops and hoops) in LOST. :)

Hildy

08-05-2009, 06:59 PM

:wavey:Hildy.

:wavey: back ‘atcha, Devera! (How cute is this icon?!)

Sam set me right on another thread, it's a Miami Heat (http://www.miami-bar.com/images/gallery/miami-heat-1.jpg) t-shirt...which, of course, makes sense because they are in Florida. Apparently Kevin is a basketball fan. Hoops!

Here’s another type of hoops that are .... “you know, for kids!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3XHPdexNM

I still think burning ring of fire and colors are significant, though.

Absolutely, and I reckon it ties in with this ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2iv_E-Fn9E

H x

Devera

08-05-2009, 07:57 PM

Hildy

08-06-2009, 08:03 AM

Thanks, Hildy, haven't seen the first one, what a fun scene. I agree on the second one. Good ol' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go) Johnny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfBIzbo0PrE). He's so all over LOST.

Your very welcome, Devera. Just an excuse to share with you one of my all-time favorite scenes in a movie, actually, although the “for kids” angle could well tie in with Lost’s many hoops, rings and circles.

Re: Johnny, the Folsom prison angle could be relevant.

H x

Sam G

08-08-2009, 06:10 PM

Watching What Kate Did, for the first time I realized Wayne's front door is green. Bye-Bye house. Also, the Swan hatch dome, lots of green. We know what happened to the hatch.

Devera

08-13-2009, 09:33 PM

Thread on coffin Locke's changing shirt colors, thought color theorists would be interested...

Locke in the Coffin (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=116062)

Lucidity

08-16-2009, 01:37 PM

Sam G >
Also, the Swan hatch dome, lots of green. We know what happened to the hatch.

Check out the Bits and Pieces (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Bits%20and%20Pieces.htm) section of the website. The dome changes Colour quite a bit.

Speaking of the website, the pages for the last Eps of Season 5 are up now, if anyone wants to take a look. There are a lot of Eps with little of interest, but there are still a few very interesting bits dotted about. Here's the Index Page (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Season%205.htm) for Season 5.

Anyone new who hasn't seen the site, it's worth having a browse. The main site index is : Lucidity.es (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Main%20Page.htm).

Devera >
Thread on coffin Locke's changing shirt colors, thought color theorists would be interested...

Locke in the Coffin (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=116062)

Sounds interesting. I'll check it out.

Why is Kevin wearing red (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1196-823.html) here? Is it because Kate is deceiving him, or is there something deceptive about Kevin?

I always took it as Kevin being the object of the Deception.

Sam G

08-17-2009, 05:13 PM

rthensley

08-18-2009, 10:40 AM

Oh, the rewinds

Meet Kevin Johnson

MILES: Your name isn't Kevin.
[It's Miles Straume, the spiritualist. He's sitting on a pile of crates on the deck, nonchalantly eating an orange, peeling it with a knife. Miles smiles.]
MILES: Don't worry. 80% of the people on this boat are lying about something. Orange?
MICHAEL: No, thanks.

Oh, so orange.

Sam, isn't that scene all about deception?

Miles tells Michael that he is deceiving with the name Kevin.

Miles tell Michael that 80% of the people on the boat are lying (deceiving) about something.

For the purpose of this theory, wouldn't a red apple have been a much better fit?

Sam G

08-18-2009, 10:51 AM

But Miles knows, so it's more like danger to me.

rthensley

08-18-2009, 11:03 AM

But Miles knows, so it's more like danger to me.

OK.

What does Miles know?

Devera

08-18-2009, 11:11 AM

I agree we need to reexamine orange. It is a scene full of deception--as is possibly our original Locke scene with the orange, if he has always (or at least some of the time) been someone know knows something and was concealing it. Maybe orange and red aren't as different as we have believed.

On the other hand, looking at it from a "danger" interpretation--Miles definitely seems dangerous to me--to Michael (because he knows Michael is telling lies), to the rest of the crew (because he has his own agenda and is a mercenary), and to all of the groups he hooks up with (because he is a wild card). Ken Leung really did justice to another orange eating scene that makes you feel off-kilter and uneasy.

Lucidity

08-21-2009, 07:41 AM

I agree with Sam, Michael getting on that boat was all about Danger. Michael's like a bomb waiting to go off. And also Michael is someone we've seen in Orange quite a bit in the past.

In general though, Red and Orange are definitely on the "bad side" of things, along with Green. While Pink, Purple and Blue are on the "good side". Remember our Coloured Dharma chart (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Main%20Page.htm).

For example, Purple and Blue I mentioned somewhere just the other day, that they seem almost interchangable sometimes.

rthensley

08-21-2009, 10:15 AM

Luc, not surprisingly, I disagree with you.

IMHO, the scene is all about deception. Miles confronts Michael on his deception and then tells Michael that 80% of the people on the boat are deceiving. Really it is one of the clearest deception scenes in Lost. We have a character pointing out the deception and we have a pretty clear, obvious use of color.

Even during the scene Miles tells Michael to not worry about his deception. That really does not sound dangerous to me. Nor does it sound like Michael should view Miles as dangerous.

But this is the beauty of Lost. Same evidence = different interpretations.

itsagame

08-21-2009, 12:35 PM

Hello

very nice site and thread. I cant believe I havent ran into this thread before.

Lucidity, you definately put some great thoughts together on the the relationship with Colors to LOST. Kudos!

Your conclusions on the the meaning of the colors makes alot of sense.

someone asked me once, what my thoughts are with the meaning of colors in LOST. and I said something like, "I just think LOST uses colors to have us form an emotional attachment with the current character or scene' so that LOST can use it against later, throwing us twists on our understandings.

but after reading your site, I now know that colors do mean alot in LOST. (along with my point above, they still use the colors to throw us off)

but also, the show seems to be taking an Ancient Egyptian angle.

I havent had the chance to read your entire thoughts, so not sure how much you included the Egyptian symbolism of the colors. here is a nice site with some thoughts.
http://www.egyptianmyths.net/colors.htm

I thought resurrection should be included for green. Egyptians view Green as Life and Resurrection. ( prob could include death in there , as you have )

also, its emerging that the show is based on the parallel's of the story of Horus and Seth egyptian gods.

I have found that they actually use the below colors for symbism of each god.

Horus's colors linked to him are Orange and Yellow. (Osiris's is Green, so LOST includes Green for Horus as well)
Seth's colores linked to him is Red and Black.

I made a website as well on my thoughts on LOST (link is below in my signature), specifically the game elements of it. Its still under construction. Since i cover symbolism alot, and they use the above colors for symbolism, instead of me getting to heavy in explaining. I would just like to include a link to your site. Is that ok?

again, great thoughts Lucidity.

Lucidity

08-22-2009, 10:25 AM

Thanks for the kind words, itsagame. :thumbsup:
I was looking at your site just the other day, funnily enough. A real wealth of information and research, though I must admit the game theory isn't one I buy into particularly. I don't see any flaws to it, it's just not where I'm hoping Lost is heading, in terms of my personal tastes.

And yeah, Lost is clearly going the Egyptian route. Have you seen the Season 6 Poster (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/So_flkDwqoI/AAAAAAAAvrQ/fwIKh-aBveY/s1600-h/3774127282_0ca359b1e7_o.jpg), complete with hieroglyphics? Very cool. I had seen that website you linked actually, doing a search on Egypt and Colour. The Green - Life / Death connection couldn't have matched better (I spoke about Green - Life / Death on my page for The Incident (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Incident.htm)). Unfortunately, the other Colours don't match so well. What I hadn't noticed last time was the bit about Egypt being known as "the Black Land", which reminds me of "The Dark Territory" on Rousseau's maps.

rt,
I guess first it's a question of whether you look at the scene as a scene in itself or as an introduction to what is going to happen. I'd say from Michael's point of view, for example, it's more about Danger than Deception.

And then second, whether there's really any Deception going on if Miles knows everyone is hiding something.

rthensley

08-24-2009, 12:26 PM

I guess first it's a question of whether you look at the scene as a scene in itself or as an introduction to what is going to happen

True. I guess I would go with the guideline that was semi-established a long time ago. That the color should be associated with what is happening in the scene.

I'd say from Michael's point of view, for example, it's more about Danger than Deception.

I can certainly see how that conclusion would be drawn.

I'm just thinking that Miles displayed the orange and Miles talks about deception. Really it is one of the clearer deception scenes we have been shown.

And then second, whether there's really any Deception going on if Miles knows everyone is hiding something.

Sure there is. Even though Miles knows Michael is deceiving him, Michael is still trying to deceive. Also according to Miles a large portion of the crew is deceiving. They are still deceiving. Miles may know. The rest of the crew does not.

Sam G

08-24-2009, 01:07 PM

I watched WKD w/commentary this week end. The scenes where Sawer's is in the "bunk", when they shot his side it's green and when they shot Kate's side it's orange.

Kate's biggest deception... pretending this is all new to her?

Devera

08-24-2009, 01:18 PM

So...Kate as dangerous and/or deceptive? Sawyer as somehow symbolizing life/death?

Sam G

08-24-2009, 01:44 PM

Sawyer's really sick in those scenes. He's in a coma and channeling Wayne. Kate has orange in many of her scenes and I've just come to attach orange to Kate - I think she may have one of the longest cons/deceptions/unshared information of all the LOSTies. She's wearing a purple tank top for passion. At least in my mind.

Devera

08-24-2009, 02:29 PM

Sawyer's really sick in those scenes. He's in a coma and channeling Wayne. Kate has orange in may of her scenes and I've just come to attach orange to Kate - I think she may have one of the longest cons/deceptions/unshared information of all the LOSTies. She's wearing a purple tank top for passion. At least in my mind.

Your interpretation makes sense to me.

Lucidity

08-25-2009, 08:01 PM

Yeah, Kate's definitely an Orange. Just all of those juice moments that Sam catalogues are proof enough. We've always had Orange for Danger, but as a Power we have it as something to do with Luck or Probability, as Hurley's Power would be. And I can see that Power in Kate too, more so than Danger even.

Speaking of Hurley, the main Colour we see associated with him is Red - in my opinion, for Perception, his ability to see the dead. Well, the new ARG has taken us to a website that is going to have a series of 16 original prints, appearing one-by-one, and I'm pretty sure Darlton have been involved in the pictures themselves. Anyway, check out Hurley's (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/laezydaezy/poster1.gif?t=1250501072) and tell me that ain't Red.

Devera

08-25-2009, 08:30 PM

Actually, I see red/blue, black/white...two of our "both sides of the coin."

Hurley looks kind of scary in that print, or the mastermind behind what is going on.

rthensley

08-27-2009, 02:04 PM

Looked at the poster. Kind of neat.

My observation: Isn't there an awful lot of stuff relating to the Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack?

A nametag, two chicken heads, a chicken bucket, a Chicken Shack employee, and what looks (to me) like the explosion from the meteor hitting the Chicken Shack. That is at least 6 things directly relating to the Chicken Shack. Also, all of those things are red. The vast majority of red items on the poster relate to the Shack.

Lucidity

09-06-2009, 03:12 PM

rt,
There's also his car and the "Connect 4" game, among other little non-descript bits of Red.

And Devera, yes, there are definitely other Colours being used there, but for me the foreground Colour is Red.

We now have a second picture anyway, and it works very nicely. Hurley, according to our predictions here, is an Orange and / or Red, and, as rt and Dev have said, it could be argued that it's not that Red or that the Red is circumstantial, but Locke has ALWAYS been a Green and the second poster, a very cool, Locke-themed one, is DEFINITELY Green.

Here they are :
Poster 1 > Hurley (Red) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/laezydaezy/poster1.gif?t=1250501072)
Poster 2 > Locke (Green) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/laezydaezy/poster11.gif?t=1251450615)

There is also now a third poster which isn't about a character : Poster 3 > the Dharma Van (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/laezydaezy/poster14.gif?t=1251962712).

rthensley

09-08-2009, 09:19 AM

There's also his car and the "Connect 4" game, among other little non-descript bits of Red

Oh yeah. I wasn't trying to say that only the Chicken Shack stuff is red. I was really commenting on the amount of Chicken Shack related stuff.

Don't you think it is strange that there are so many Chicken Shack references? When most people think of Hurley, I would guess that the Chicken Shack is not the first thing they think of.

Also, isn't it strange that ALL of the Chicken Shack references are red? That is a 100% color connection to an object.

Around 60% of the red items on the poster are Chicken Shack related. Doesn't that also seem strange?

Liplocked

09-08-2009, 10:23 AM

Devera

09-08-2009, 11:59 AM

:wavey: Winners wear red : http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327232.400-winners-wear-red-how-colour-twists-your-mind.html

Glad youse have found something study worthy - I was afraid I might rust over the summer.

Very interesting, Liplocked! You always bring great stuff. (Red is also the color that gets pulled over more for speeding in profiling...so I guess it all evens out).

~

I visited the Seattle Bumbershoot panel yesterday, so...

Just adding to the writers' wardrobe list, for those of you who like me actually try to read the writers' wardrobe like tea leaves to discern information (I probably learn about as much as I would from my tea leaves :p): Carlton Cuse was still in the black shirt, Eddy Kitsis wore pink checks or plaid (wasn't observant enough to remember re: checks or plaid), and Adam Horowitz wore another version of our favorite black and gray horizontal striped shirt. :biggrin:

Lucidity

09-11-2009, 09:06 AM

These posters are getting REALLY interesting.
So far we've had :
Poster 1 > Hurley (Red) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/laezydaezy/poster1.gif?t=1250501072)
Poster 2 > Locke (Green) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/laezydaezy/poster11.gif?t=1251450615)
So, next up is Jack. What Colour are we expecting? Blue, right? Well check it out.
Poster 4 > Jack (Blue) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/laezydaezy/poster17-1.gif?t=1252479259)
There's clearly a bit of Red going on too, but I'd say Blue is definitely the Colour.

Liplocked,
Cool article. On Lost we have Hurley in Red and he never misses a shot, etc., so maybe that's the reason.

Devera,
I'm definitely a follower of your observations on what TPTB are wearing. I could especially see Calrton Cuse and Lindelof doing something like that.

Lucidity

09-19-2009, 12:37 PM

Lucidity >
These posters are getting REALLY interesting.

:ermm:

Well, I'm finding them really interesting anyway. :biggrin:

There's another poster now which is more about the Love Triangle and Ben's manipulation of it, so Purple for Love or Red for Deception would have been nice, but it's in Blue for the Hydra, and, maybe, Jack. But in any case, the three character Posters have worked out very nicely - Hurley / Red, Locke / Green and Jack / Blue. The teller will be if we get Des in Purple or Red.

Here's the link for the latest poster. (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/laezydaezy/poster5.gif) The others are in my above post.

Liplocked

09-20-2009, 05:03 AM

Screen 4 looks in need of a Dharma Initiative Bulb-Changer .

Liplocked

09-21-2009, 04:16 PM

I knew I knew that blue! : http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/news_photo_logo.jpg

Lucidity

09-27-2009, 08:39 AM

Liplocked >
Screen 4 looks in need of a Dharma Initiative Bulb-Changer.

Yeah, I thought it was a LITTLE tacky that the artist highlighted the 4 that way.
I'd love to know what influence, if any, the Writers are having on the content of these pictures.

Anyway, a little bit of dialogue from the major Spoiler that I think most have heard about by now . . .
On the version of Flight 815 that lands in LA apparently we'll see Bernard coming back to his seat and it struck me as possibly more than just a coincidence that he comments that he'll need a change of clothes. I'm guessing he's wet from being in the bathroom when the turbulence hits, but the only other time I remember anyone talking about needing to get changed was Rose telling Bernard not to go on the ambush wearing what he was wearing and that he should put on something darker.

Okay, that's a small coincidence, but what about the fact that both times Bernard was wearing Green?

Bernard in a tree, i.e. after the crash. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=51011&fullsize=1)
Bernard before the ambush on the Others. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=99400&fullsize=1)

The implication would be that the Losties really did die in the crash first time round.

rthensley

09-28-2009, 07:54 AM

Oops.

The implication would be that the Losties really did die in the crash first time round.

Then what have we been watching the last few years? Dream?

Luc, I really don't get the implication. There might have been an implication to be had if the majority of the people on the plane were wearing green, but I just don't see how you can draw any sort of connection from one person (or just a few people) wearing green.

Lucidity

09-28-2009, 11:08 AM

rt,
Remember, we're discussing things based on Spoilers here.

rthensley >
Then what have we been watching the last few years? Dream?

Are you oblivious to all of the discussion here on The Fuselage over the years? The idea that they were dead or in limbo is hardly new.

Luc, I really don't get the implication. There might have been an implication to be had if the majority of the people on the plane were wearing green, but I just don't see how you can draw any sort of connection from one person (or just a few people) wearing green.

As usual, rt, you're asking for something more literal than symbolic. If the Losties die first time round but this time round they don't, then Bernard coming along in a Green shirt and saying he'd better change would be just perfect.

rthensley

09-28-2009, 11:19 AM

I'll go back and edit my first post to spoiler font it. Thanks.

Are you oblivious to all of the discussion here on The Fuselage over the years? The idea that they were dead or in limbo is hardly new

Gosh, I hope not oblivious. Definitely dense however.

I was not under the impression that you believed the Losties "died" during the crash. Are you saying that you now believe that?

As usual, rt, you're asking for something more literal than symbolic. If the Losties die first time round but this time round they don't, then Bernard coming along in a Green shirt and saying he'd better change would be just perfect.

You are probably correct about this. I am guilty as charged.

Liplocked

09-29-2009, 05:41 AM

Apologies for the post-and-run (and not backreading), I'm needed away from the comp:

scroll down to Liturgical Colours ~ http://www.holytrinityamblecote.org.uk/colours_&_vestments.htm interesting from here to bottom of page.

Wikipedia's entry under Liturgical Colours mentions 'Rose' too; and it is rose, not pink - struck me as interesting. It appears under Roman Rites, for Orange's entry, read on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgical_colours

I arrived by way of hearing purple was the colour of Lent.

rthensley

09-29-2009, 08:43 AM

Liplocked - interesting reading.

I had a thought (I know Luc, not common for me ;)).

I thought about checking Egyptian usage of colors since an Egyptian theme seems to be included in Lost.

Here is some interesting reading. Nothing earth shattering.

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/colors.htm

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/egyptology/ss/EgyptColour.htm

Devera

09-29-2009, 04:10 PM

Great links! I'm in love with anything Liplocked posts, and rthensley, Egyptian connections are always fun as well!

While providing color commentary on warddrobe choices at Bumbershoot ;), I totally forgot to report that at Bumbershoot Adam Horowitz stressed that the Cobra in Expose was in Lando Calrissian colors again, before he was interrupted by Carlton Cuse saying this was an inside baseball conversation. ;) Since that is at least the second time that has been brought up that I know of, it might be something we should look for when considering colors. (Regardless, the idea of someone who might betray their friends but then come back to them is important even if it doesn't get ultimately tied to a LOST color code.)

Devera

10-06-2009, 04:43 PM

Luc! Now here are some beautiful colors (http://runsaverytightoperation.com/dcpb/VIII/)!

Lucidity

11-01-2009, 11:59 AM

rt,
Yeah, we've looked at the Egyptian interpretation of Colour in the past. Green for Life and Death matches perfectly, but the rest, not so much.

Devera >
While providing color commentary on warddrobe choices at Bumbershoot ;), I totally forgot to report that at Bumbershoot Adam Horowitz stressed that the Cobra in Expose was in Lando Calrissian colors again, before he was interrupted by Carlton Cuse saying this was an inside baseball conversation. ;) Since that is at least the second time that has been brought up that I know of, it might be something we should look for when considering colors. (Regardless, the idea of someone who might betray their friends but then come back to them is important even if it doesn't get ultimately tied to a LOST color code.)

Interesting. I think what's very relevant in that is that it shows they DO at least think about Colour.

Check out Lando (http://www.ossus.pl/images/4/46/Lando.jpg) and The Cobra (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/d/d7/Lashade.jpg). It's a good Colour-match. Also, remember Lando first betrays (Deception / Red) and then helps (Love / Purple).

And yeah, that poster of the Island is cool. There seems to be a big difference in quality (or ability) between some of the posters in the range and others. I know they're each by a different artist, but still.

:arrow: Anyway, there's been an interesting development in the whole Bagua question - a key topic here because of the idea of associating each symbol with a character and Colour. In the last of the Dharma videos ("Mysteries of the Universe") they talk about the Bagua and say the Bagua represents "Protection" and that the person in the middle is protected on all sides by the 8 people, who are all "opponents". They also say that the lines on the symbol are connected to Astronomy and Astrology, which we've already looked into at great length, but also Geography and Anatomy.

Also, the hieroglyphics on the Season 6 Poster mean "Who is the guide?" or "Who is the leader?". Amd when asked what lies in the shadow of the statue, Alpert replies "Ille qui nos omnes servabit", which means "He who will save / protect us all".

So I really see it all coming together. And like I say, that's a big step for this theory, that there might indeed be a set of 8 people, each representing something specific and forming a group with a mission. I'm not suggesting that confirms Powers and Colours, but like I say, I do think it's a nice step into areas we've long discussed here. And of course, the question is, who is protecting us, and getting protected by the 8? I think Jacob and MIB are too obvious and they'll be the Black and White characters on our Coloured version of the Bagua, i.e. the top and bottom figures. 6 others will each take a place, based on our theory, each with a Colour, 3 on each side. And then there has to be someone in the middle - I'm guessing Aaron.

But yeah, no small thing, eh? That the 8 symbols do indeed represent people.

There was also an interesting comment from Darlton regarding Walt and his Powers. He said that they don't necessarily need the eactor in order to explain that aspect of the story. Of course, if we discover our characters have Powers no-one in the end is going to be asking "Yeah, but why has Walt got Powers?". It will have been explained without using the actor.

edit :
Just thinking how we have Protection as Blue, the one in the middle Protecting and being Protected HAS TO BE Aaron. Aaron is always surrounded by Blue and that's something I've said loads of times - that I'm not sure if it's Claire and Kate in Blue because they're protecting him or because he's protecting them.

Devera

11-01-2009, 02:12 PM

I don't know. There are a lot of other people who are constantly in blue...but Aaron does seem to be the obvious choice for being at the center of everything ("belongs to all of us").

Lucidity

11-24-2009, 07:49 AM

Devera,

There was a specific scene that clinched it for me, but I can't remember exactly when or even what it was! I'll have to look into it. But basically Claire had been in Blue since the moment she decided to take Flight 815 and Aaron was always wrappen in his Blue blanket, but there was one time when Aaron was ill, or Claire was missing, or something (shame on me for forgetting - I'll be rewatching all the Eps at Christmas) and suddenly he was in a White blanket. That really told me that there was a Claire / Aaron Protection thing going on.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more interest in the Bagua thing from Mysteries of the Universe. For me that was huge.

Lucidity

11-28-2009, 01:40 PM

Wow. things are quiet round here, aren't they? Are people not following the Spoilers or something? Personally, I'm buzzing with excitement for each of the Spoilers that has come out recently and can't wait to discuss them.

And speaking of Spoilers . . .

As I said the other day, the Mysteries of the Universe video suggests the Bagua symbols each represent a person, as I had suggested here from the beginning. Well, the MAJOR Spoiler that has come out is . . .

. . . that some of our Losties will be seen arriving on The Black Rock along with MiB, Jacob and Alpert.

And among them is one of the Kwons and apparently they're "Number 42", so I'd say that part of the prediction is confirmed now too - each of the Numbers also represents one of the characters. All we need now is the little matter of each of them also being represented by a Colour!

Lucidity

11-29-2009, 02:20 PM

Okay, here's a non-Spoiler that someone (anyone? :rolleyes:) might find interesting . . .
In an interview with Terry O'Quinn (by "Cuatro", the channel that shows Lost in Spain) he says :

"When they pull the cover off, what colour is the right colour and who is who, so I don't know if Ben is going to end up on the same side as Locke, or who is Jack? Is Jack only Jack? I still don't know."

So either the Colour thing was just a rather ambiguous metaphor, or we're getting somewhere with the theory.

Devera

12-01-2009, 11:50 PM

Neat, Luc.

Oh, and when I said I didn't know, I meant your query about who was the protector and who was being protected...I don't know about that! But Claire has definitely been associated with blue to me a lot as well.

itsagame

12-02-2009, 05:04 AM

Again Lucidity , great research and presentations on the Colors in LOST.

I find myself coming back to your thoughts and website due to LOSTS involvement of the classical elements of ....

FIRE AIR WATER and EARTH

And as I see you have went over as well, each of the 4 elements has a corresponding color

FIRE = Red
AIR = Yellow
WATER = Blue
EARTH = Green

and as i read your conclusion on your colors, it seems your accurate on the symbolism of the colors AND the characters behavior at that time.

currently im working on the involvement of the 4 elements in LOST and you pretty much collected great symbolism for FIRE, AIR and WATER ..... just have been calling them colors.

AND i just seen on your site that you already have linked some of the characters to the elements.

So it seems our theories are meshing quite nicely. You've collected what you found about colors and I have found much involvement with the 4 elements in LOST.

Im currently creating an elements page on my website and definately link your site when it comes to the colors.

Question: How did you determine Air to be Orange? Most places I look up has Air as Yellow , Have you found anything about Yellow? Or do you think they are using Orange as Yellow ?

Also, its seems that Red, Yellow, Blue, Green is the most common group of colors for the 4 elements, However I have seen some different ones, The Sewing Kit colors...Red , Pink , Blue, Yellow . I know I seen that set of colors for the 4 elements on a website involving magick or wicca. Pink = Air and Yellow ended up being Earth. Just curious on why the sewing kit was those 4 colors.

BTW, if you havent already, I recommend you indulge in the show Flash Forward as well. They are doing the very same things as LOST, with all the colors , Red , Blue, Yellow and Green. ...you could start a Flash Forward Page ;)

also...I like your Powers conclusions, I always thought that Jack was more of a Magic healer than an actual traditional doctor, I've read a few times of how fans with medical background would comment on Jacks sloppy style (which i think was intended) and yet Jack seems to be able to Heal no matter what, so it seems he does have powers.

Lucidity

12-05-2009, 10:52 AM

Devera >
Oh, and when I said I didn't know, I meant your query about who was the protector and who was being protected...I don't know about that! But Claire has definitely been associated with blue to me a lot as well.

Oh, I see. My mistake.

itsagame >
Again Lucidity , great research and presentations on the Colors in LOST.

Thanks ! :thumbsup:

I find myself coming back to your thoughts and website due to LOSTS involvement of the classical elements of ....

FIRE AIR WATER and EARTH

And as I see you have went over as well, each of the 4 elements has a corresponding color

FIRE = Red
AIR = Yellow
WATER = Blue
EARTH = Green

and as i read your conclusion on your colors, it seems your accurate on the symbolism of the colors AND the characters behavior at that time.

currently im working on the involvement of the 4 elements in LOST and you pretty much collected great symbolism for FIRE, AIR and WATER ..... just have been calling them colors.

AND i just seen on your site that you already have linked some of the characters to the elements.

So it seems our theories are meshing quite nicely. You've collected what you found about colors and I have found much involvement with the 4 elements in LOST.

Im currently creating an elements page on my website and definately link your site when it comes to the colors.

The main idea is that there are a series of characters - 6 plus Jacob and the MiB, and that each of those characters has a "Power", which is where we brought in the elements as represented on the Bagua. There is some ambiguity with those elements because there are different interpretations of them, but we've gone with the meanings that best fitted the overall theory.

Question: How did you determine Air to be Orange? Most places I look up has Air as Yellow , Have you found anything about Yellow? Or do you think they are using Orange as Yellow ?

We started with the Colours and applied the Bagua and Elements afterwards, and Orange was the Colour we'd been seeing and interpreting as Danger (as a Theme) and Luck (as a Power), so that was applied to Air, rather than Yellow. But it's fair to say that on many occasions we've seen Yellow and Orange together and so my thinking is that in Lost they are treated as one in the same Colour. A lot of followers of the theory disagree, mind you, and believe that Yellow has its own significance, independent of Orange. But personally, I disagree.

Also, its seems that Red, Yellow, Blue, Green is the most common group of colors for the 4 elements, However I have seen some different ones, The Sewing Kit colors...Red , Pink , Blue, Yellow . I know I seen that set of colors for the 4 elements on a website involving magick or wicca. Pink = Air and Yellow ended up being Earth. Just curious on why the sewing kit was those 4 colors.

Again, we started with the Colours we were seeing on the show, and applied the Elements and Bagua afterwards. The interpretations of the Colours Purple and Pink as Heaven and the Aether was simply by process of elimination - those were the two Colours we had left and those were the remaining Elements on the Bagua. Though we did find some loose connections between Purple and the Aether. But Pink was totally made up.

BTW, if you havent already, I recommend you indulge in the show Flash Forward as well. They are doing the very same things as LOST, with all the colors , Red , Blue, Yellow and Green. ...you could start a Flash Forward Page ;)

I'm not a fan of the show - I started to watch the pilot ep but didn't get into it at all. Could you expand on your comment? How have Colours been used in Flashforward?

also...I like your Powers conclusions, I always thought that Jack was more of a Magic healer than an actual traditional doctor, I've read a few times of how fans with medical background would comment on Jacks sloppy style (which i think was intended) and yet Jack seems to be able to Heal no matter what, so it seems he does have powers.

Yeah, I've always believed their "Powers" are a question of willpower and I love when Jack leans in and tells Sarah she'll dance at her wedding, with all the nurses looking at him like he's crazy.

itsagame

12-08-2009, 05:58 AM

The main idea is that there are a series of characters - 6 plus Jacob and the MiB, and that each of those characters has a "Power", which is where we brought in the elements as represented on the Bagua. There is some ambiguity with those elements because there are different interpretations of them, but we've gone with the meanings that best fitted the overall theory.

how bout the chosen 9 ? 8 sides of the Bagua + 1 Leader (perhaps represents the center) on Jacobs tapestry, one of the chosen 9 is standing...hence a leader.

also, look at this thread about 8 coming together as one ..an old thread that seems to be having more meaning to it now, http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=114709

I'm not a fan of the show - I started to watch the pilot ep but didn't get into it at all. Could you expand on your comment? How have Colours been used in Flashforward?

This system that we all are catching patterns and glimpses of in LOST is used heavily in "Flash Forward" as well. In fact, I think its even easier to read in "Flash Forward". ( I have seen enuff of the clues and colors in FF to know that its the exact same system)

Its the EXACT same system, meaning whatever Red means in one show, it means the same in the other. what you learn from symbolism of a clue or color in one show, you can apply to the other.

There is a colors thread in the "Red Pandas" area ( thread area for Flash Forward) talking about all the colors in the Flash Forwards. However in FF it seems to mainly be Red, Blue, Yellow , Green ....some Black and White.....Orange and Pink, Purple show up elsewhere.
http://forum.redpandaresources.com/showthread.php?t=117680

they also have various different colors of shirts during certain times, just as LOST does.

I think you will find Flash Forward worth getting into, with your time invested in the colors. I have learned alot of some clues in FF that allowed me to realize certain things in LOST.

this is also true for V, V is heavily invested in the same system. And Battlestar Galactica, Fringe, Dollhouse, Bones season 5,

LOST, Flash Forward and V are the shows that make heavy use of this hidden system, the other shows appear to use it but the clues are not as prevalient.

This system is obviously huge

addhawk

12-10-2009, 12:47 AM

As Pythagoras is quoted as saying, "All is number."

4 = yellow
8 = grey
15 = brown + green
16 = brown + blue
23 = red + orange
42 = yellow + red

108 = brown + black + grey
31= orange + brown
7 = violet

0 = black
9 = white

"BBROYGBVGW"

Some quick examples I found:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8647/nikkipaulohq4.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/94951259_9a5ee19373.jpg

http://www.losthatch.com/images/screen_captures/S1E24_Michael_Walt_Heading_North.jpg

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/7/79/5x16_Jacob_and_nemesis.png

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/5/5f/Smokemonster_arm.jpg

http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060502/123651__lost_l.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3487108108_2bb89b46dd.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1225/572122437_5d6280b45e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3662/3515827930_b6d0b23b70.jpg

Sam G

12-16-2009, 02:19 PM

One of the art pieces from the LOST Underground art exhibit Notice the paintbox (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YPCf8JFgUdI/SyisruF4zHI/AAAAAAAAMqA/rP6hbgUfFOw/s1600-h/P1020791.JPG) the colors are more vibrant than they show up in this picture.

Lucidity

12-16-2009, 06:26 PM

itsagame >
how bout the chosen 9 ? 8 sides of the Bagua + 1 Leader (perhaps represents the center) on Jacobs tapestry, one of the chosen 9 is standing...hence a leader.

Ooh, interesting. I've just been trying to find a good screencap, but nothing yet.

And that's really interesting about Colour on FlashForward. Maybe I'll give it a second chance. Though a friend of mine who had been trying to convince me how good it is has actually changed his mind and decided that it's actually a pretty limited concept for a show.

addhawk >
As Pythagoras is quoted as saying, "All is number."

4 = yellow
8 = grey
15 = brown + green
16 = brown + blue
23 = red + orange
42 = yellow + red

108 = brown + black + grey
31= orange + brown
7 = violet

0 = black
9 = white

But what are these "Numbers = Colours" based on? Have you just made up the system based on the order of the colours in the spectrum or is that system in use elsewhere? Either way it's interesting.

Sam G >
One of the art pieces from the LOST Underground art exhibit Notice the paintbox (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YPCf8JFgUdI/SyisruF4zHI/AAAAAAAAMqA/rP6hbgUfFOw/s1600-h/P1020791.JPG) the colors are more vibrant than they show up in this picture.

Yeah, I came on here to post the same thing. It sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it? If only it had been a Sewing Kit instead ! Based on the fact that just about every object there is connected to one of the Losties, do we assume that's Hurley's paint set from the mental hospital?

Also, the main picture (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SyjSszCiL3I/AAAAAAAAwww/ma5nS8MrHgA/s1600-h/poster16final.jpg) released is pretty Colour-loaded too. If you look at all of the pictures (http://damoncarltonandapolarbear.com/dcpb/x/) in the series there are several along the same lines, like Hurley and Eko, for example. But yeah, all of that Blue surrounding them can't be a coincidence. Interesting too that some of them AREN'T in Blue, Jack being one of them. Also the press photos for Season 6 (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/12/first-official-lost-season-6.html) (no Spoilers on the page I've linked, but it's a Spoiler site - Dark UFO) seem a little Colour-coded, with some very similar tones on different people. Look at Kate and Ben for example.

addhawk

12-16-2009, 07:36 PM

But what are these "Numbers = Colours" based on? Have you just made up the system based on the order of the colours in the spectrum or is that system in use elsewhere? Either way it's interesting...

Definitely not made up. :) BBROYGBVGW. Some people see only colors. "Others" see numbers as well.

JJ Abrams made use of the code in the May 2009 issue of Wired magazine that he was part of.

Lucidity

12-16-2009, 07:50 PM

Nothing to do with your last post, just from reading back mine, and I've just realised the "just made up" part might sound like I was being rude. I didn't mean it that way at all. I just wondered if it was something you'd "figured out" - there you go, that's what I meant : "Is it something you've figured out yourself or is it an existing system?". Just thought I'd clear that up in case there had been any misunderstanding. :redface:

And wow, that's cool that Abrams used it for that magazine. A very real Lost connection then.

So . . .

4 = yellow
8 = grey
15 = brown + green
16 = brown + blue
23 = red + orange
42 = yellow + red

If we take out the neutral Colours we'd be left with :
4 = Yellow
15 = Green
16 = Blue
23 = Red and Orange
42 = Yellow and Red

Straight away from that Hurley could be 23 as Red and Orange are definitely his Colours, and Locke would be 15. Of course, we have no Pink though, but then Pink is probably the least clear of our Colours. But there's no Purple number either which is a shame.

I'll definitely give it some more thought though.

addhawk

12-17-2009, 01:06 AM

No need to apologize Lucidity. :) I get where you're coming from. It is a bit "made up" once you figure out where the source of the BBROYGBVGW (http://www.leonaudio.com.au/res-code.gif) code is from. But it does work.

I've been drifting toward considering color and synesthesia ever since seeing that Room23 video but I see that you've been working on this all the way from 3 years ago!

It's fun to see Sayid rotate from his usual black (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3487108108_2bb89b46dd.jpg) to white (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3662/3515827930_b6d0b23b70.jpg).

Everyone remembers this scene > 23 - red orange (http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/albums/caps_1x01_pilot_part_1/normal_lost_pilot_a272.jpg)

There's a little 42 (red yellow) in your avatar. Even more here (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/2/27/1x02-BooneAndShannon.jpg).

Orange brown (http://www.lost-tv-show.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1011.jpg) may signify 31 but it can also be mistaken as unlucky 13 (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3662/3515827930_b6d0b23b70.jpg).

Actually that is an interesting screen cap (http://www.lost-tv-show.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1011.jpg) because all the combinations of numbers exist in the photo. Check it out.
There's even that lucky 7 = violet on the clothesline in the background. Namaste (http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4475/clipboard02i.jpg).

4 = yellow
8 = grey
15 = brown + green
16 = brown + blue
23 = red + orange
42 = yellow + red

Liplocked

01-04-2010, 01:47 PM

Hiya! :wavey: having watched Auntie Beeb's Doctor Who playing with a red/blue colour code Christmas and New Year's day, I thought I was overdue a post here.

But until the new season sets us scratching our heads, I'm going to have to make do with an observation and a might-be-worth-a-moment-of-your-time suggestion:

http://www.ugle.org.uk/freemasons-hall/ ~ I got a much better look at the checkerboard floor you can see in this video on a Tony Robinson fronted programme dissing the supposedly factual content of Dan Brown's latest offering (a programme so bad btw, one has to wonder if Brown isn't right and the programme makers incompetent), it has a bold red & royal blue border. The swan was new to me although I had previously seen the broadly Egyptian style wall decoration and the stars before.

Other than grappling with the Masons (my Other was a washer-up in one of their lodges as a young man and used to set out their regalia), I've finally caught on to named Angels having associated colours and powers. I'm sure you're very proud. :bigrinan:

You realise of course that this means I'll have to re-think yellow - again. :rolleyes: ;)

Happy New Year, Everyone! :smile:

Sam G

01-16-2010, 04:26 PM

Just started watching season 3 again and you can't help but notice the green/red lighting they use in the Hydra.

Lucidity

01-16-2010, 09:51 PM

Liplocked >
I've finally caught on to named Angels having associated colours and powers.

Wow, that is very interesting. I've often wondered if we're going to be told that certain Losties are the Reincarnation of angels - it would tie in the idea of Powers and the Religion theme. Do you have a list or anything? I've tried finding info over the net but haven't really come up with anything.

Sam,
I've just started a rewatch too, and so many Colours jump out at you that you missed before.

Anyway, if you read Spoilers you'll know that something predicted here a long time ago and that has been discussed a lot recently has been confirmed.

The numbers are 6 of the Losties. This supports a hell of a lot of what we're talking about here, with the idea that 6 of them are "special" somehow.

The numbers are as follows :

Locke 4
Hurley 8
Sawyer 15
Sayid 16
Jack 23
Kwon 42 (either Sun or Jin)

So it all works quite nicely in terms of Colours except for Sawyer and Sayid, as we have always considered both as Reds. But we have a Green in Locke, an Orange in Hurley, a Blue in Jack, and Sun could well be a Pink, so what it would mean is that either Sawyer of Sayid need to be a Purple, Colours we have definitely seen them both wearing quite frequently in Love scenes.

But really, being honest, I have always expected Desmond to be the Purple one, with the associated Power of Time Travel. And if the 6 are "special" or "chosen" because they have Powers surely Desmond would be one of them. So it is all a little confusing.

Devera

01-17-2010, 10:13 PM

Luc, have you seen the recent photo promos yet,
the LOST dinner ones? Matthew Fox is in crazy dark purple in the ones that have been released so far (although I wouldn't be surprised if a different version is released after the series begins if role switching begins to happen).

The warddrobe choices of recent interviews of the LOST actors and writers are quite interesting as well. Everyone keeps swapping clothes.

itsagame

01-18-2010, 04:42 PM

earlier... i was stressing that red, orange/yellow, blue and green stood for FIRE AIR, WATER AND EARTH.......... however I think its not only just that... atm im thinkin there are multiple meanings..

you associated the colors with Feng Shui......
I like the method of how you characterized each color. you looked at all the times you seen the colors and noticed what went on around them, healing, deception etc.. basically , building a theory from the ground up. my kinda style. Then you associated them with the meaning of "Feng Shui"'s colors....there is no doubt that "Feng Shui" has influences on the colors.

4 Elements as colors
also, I still believe the 4 elements represent colors at times...... I still believe in some scenarios red= fire, orange = air, blue = water and green = earth

Further, now knowing the impact of astrology in LOST, I think that the colors represent the 12 signs of the Zodiac.
Aries= Red
Taurus= Pink or Light Blue ( scene light blue used in lost a # of times)
Gemini = Yellow
Cancer = White
Leo = Orange
Virgo = Brown , Navy Blue
Libra= Pink or Light Blue
Scorpio=Maroon
Sagittarius=Purple
Capricorn =Black
Aquarius = Turquoise, Electric Blue
Pisces = Sea Green

there is a strong basis for all of the above involving colors..... you have made very nice case that the colors seem have Feng Shui meaning....but there is scenario's where they seem to represent the colors of the zodiac as well.....

atm I am thinking the colors are a mesh of all 3.......

1. Feng Shui meanings of colors (as you noted)
2. 12 signs of the Zodiac
3. 4 Elements FIRE, AIR, WATER, EARTH (possible metal and wood also)

also, where the color is and what it is on could possible make a difference to its meaning.
--- If the color is on the person then it characterizes that person.
--- If the color comprises the background of the scene then it could mean that the corresponding "force" is at play , effecting the involved characters..... Feng Shui, or element or, zodiac sign etc

Lucidity

01-19-2010, 07:40 PM

Devera >
Luc, have you seen the recent photo promos yet.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about them. There are some interesting Colour-groupings.

Everyone keeps swapping clothes.

A complete swap for Season 6 would be interesting.

itsagame >
you associated the colors with Feng Shui......

Well, not quite. We principally based them on the Elements found round the Bagua chart (the Mysteries of the Universe videos later seemed to confirm the different Elements representing people). What happens is that the Feng Shui and Bagua charts have a lot of overlap.

Further, now knowing the impact of astrology in LOST, I think that the colors represent the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

Yeah, we're big fans of the Astrology connection round here. The problem is there are only 6 Numbers, but 12 starsigns.

Well, here's a set photo that doesn't reveal anything that we couldn't already assume, but the Colours are very interesting.

It's a picture to be seen in Widmore's office (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/0399229d3070e399ef7b349120e1530c). So, Black and White on the scales, obviously, but look at all of the Colours flying around the scales. No Pink though, unless you count the Pink-ish Coloured scales. But wow, how symbolic might that picture be.

itsagame

01-20-2010, 09:00 AM

Well, here's a set photo that doesn't reveal anything that we couldn't already assume, but the Colours are very interesting.

It seems that LOST will show us everything that is going on , in one way or form.
I keep thinking they will show us a complete "color model" somewhere. basically a shot of something that has EVERY color that is used in LOST. one color for every separate "meaning". that pic was pretty close, but as you noted, its missing a few.

The Mural could be it, but is it missing colors too? it would have to be something that has EVERY color used in LOST.

squid

01-20-2010, 09:42 AM

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about them. There are some interesting Colour-groupings.

A complete swap for Season 6 would be interesting.

Well, not quite. We principally based them on the Elements found round the Bagua chart (the Mysteries of the Universe videos later seemed to confirm the different Elements representing people). What happens is that the Feng Shui and Bagua charts have a lot of overlap.

Yeah, we're big fans of the Astrology connection round here. The problem is there are only 6 Numbers, but 12 starsigns.

Well, here's a set photo that doesn't reveal anything that we couldn't already assume, but the Colours are very interesting.

It's a picture to be seen in Widmore's office (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/0399229d3070e399ef7b349120e1530c). So, Black and White on the scales, obviously, but look at all of the Colours flying around the scales. No Pink though, unless you count the Pink-ish Coloured scales. But wow, how symbolic might that picture be.

Hi Lucidity et al
glad to see this thread pick up steam, I have high hopes for seeing this all come together

Wow, that painting is very interesting for sure. On my monitor there isn't any pink either (although I could go with a pinkish undertone of the scale itself) but I also don't see any purple, which I also found interesting. It seems that the black and white are balanced but the white seems to carry more visual weight for me, even thought not actually portrayed that way.
Can anyone make out the name that signed the canvas? There have been so many different paintings in the homes of various characters (I can remember offhand, Ben, Jack (was there anything at Kate's house; Penny's?) and now Widmore. It would be really fun to see them in order of appearance juxtaposed... I'd like to compare the compostitions and colors and see if there is an evolution or progression and if they are interrelated or merely character specific.

squid

Liplocked

01-20-2010, 07:02 PM

Hi again. I've hit a snag attempting to draw together anything at all historically authoritative about Angel colour and associated powers; the net being full to bursting with content written by people channelling for Angels and auto-writing under the influence of their Spirit Guides - frequently for the production of twee gewgaws they have for sale.

But here's my best sales pitch free shot at gleaning something from all the chaff out there:
http://www.lisabeachy.com/About__Angels.html
http://www.colorsofpraise.com/colors.html

This excerpt was from an interesting read:

Wearing the Right Colors. Still another way one can hail an angel is to color-coordinate one's wardrobe. Guardian angels allegedly like rose or pink and soft green; healing angels like deep sapphire blue; seraphim angels like crimson red; cherubim angels like blue; the archangel Michael likes deep green, vivid blue, gold, and rose; and Gabriel is attracted to tans, browns, and dark greens. By wearing specific colors, one can attract specific kinds of angels into one's life.

The author of the above isn't a fan of the current "Angel Craze" and is repeating with disparaging voice what he has learned. He also cautions readers that: Experience and intuition are insufficient ground upon which to build knowledge of any spiritual matter. It is too uncertain and unreliable in every way. Which I add because it goes to the heart of Jack and John's early conflict. He sounds like a top down advocate; canonical books being the go-to place for knowledge. Made a salient point about bewaring what appears to be an Angel though - mightn't be a power for good at all.

There is support for linking Michael to green though; Muslim Angel lore tells of his having green wings.

Liplocked

01-31-2010, 03:18 PM

Is there somewhere we might discuss the image you share in #928 at this juncture - prior to broadcast and as such a spoiler under board rules - Luc, I have some ideas:

the scales appear are in balance - but how many 'pieces' are on either side? if these are our players, can you remove and/or add to either side without catastrophic tipping? Has this anything to do with Darlton's 'joke' interview with The Onion - "you have to change one of the numbers" or might we be looking at the scales of Ma'at?

Thankfully we've not long to wait now, though I think the planned maintenance work occurs right as Britain will be panting to post after we get the final season's opener. :rolleyes: lol!

Happy Colour Watching - I'll rejoin you when I can. (I got numbers stuff to post too and my fingers are itching for new threads to get started).

Sam G

01-31-2010, 06:31 PM

Watching D.O.C and Sun is wearing bright Green - The hatch is also lit in green, green lockers.

Juniebun

01-31-2010, 06:50 PM

I might be repeating some stuff here, but when I read a review of the "Last Supper" picture of the LOST cast, it mentioned Jack being purple and the religious significance. He was the only one in purple. I don't think that we've seen him in purple before. There was more, but I forget it - sorry...I just realized I referenced something that might be considered a spoiler, so I spoilerfonted it just in case...

Lucidity

02-01-2010, 08:16 PM

Liplocked >
I've hit a snag attempting to draw together anything at all historically authoritative about Angel colour and associated powers; the net being full to bursting with content written by people channelling for Angels and auto-writing under the influence of their Spirit Guides - frequently for the production of twee gewgaws they have for sale.

That was the trouble I had after reading your previous post on the matter. It's definitely an accepted idea, but I couldn't find any accepted list of Colour associations. The other thing that came up a lot, I found, was Coloured candles, which, of course, we were shown at the church above the Dharma station.

Looking at the links you gave, I nearly wet myself when I started to read the first one. For Green / Chamuel (which would presumably be Locke, based on the Green) it says : "He who sees God. Helps find your Career, Life Path & Lost Objects." How Locke is that ! He's the first to "look into the eye of the Island", he's all about guiding the other Losties, and he found Charlie's guitar.

But unfortunately the rest don't jump out quite so much.

And regarding the slight Spoiler you mentioned . . .

it's seen for real in the new Promo and it looks like there is just one of each Colour.

Juniebun, . . .

I was already planning to post regarding the 6 numbers we've been given and the corresponding Losties, and Jack being Purple would be perfect. From the early Eps Sawyer is VERY Blue (http://mrtheodi.iimmgg.com/image/dba9e8371c2e147cb275144be989adbc), Hurley is VERY Red (http://spoilertv.iimmgg.com/image/4c200b13bb2b1b3b28214b98032a8ce1), and Locke seems to be Green in certain shots (http://mrtheodi.iimmgg.com/image/c945a6c3b84b3af3fd413d172c4e2a03). So we'll have to keep our eyes open for the other characters and Colours - Sayid and one of the Kwons, in Orange and Pink. The trouble is, I can't see Sayid wearing either!

squid,
Regarding the Spoiler pic . . .

squid >
Wow, that painting is very interesting for sure. On my monitor there isn't any pink either (although I could go with a pinkish undertone of the scale itself) but I also don't see any purple, which I also found interesting. It seems that the black and white are balanced but the white seems to carry more visual weight for me, even thought not actually portrayed that way.

I agree on the Black and White balance. Darlton recently said two related things - first, that we shouldn't assume that Black is the bad side, and also that initial sidings might change as the Season progresses, i.e. that Black / White balance will change.
As for Purple, I'd say that one little swish of paint right by the upright of the scales is Purple.

Juniebun

02-01-2010, 08:26 PM

Lucidity - I've always loved this thread, just wanted to say that, even though I haven't posted in it in a long time. I think that S6 will give us some great tidbits to work with - I can't wait!

1 day, 1 hour and 33 minutes....................and counting...

Melzawelza

02-03-2010, 07:48 PM

Could just be a coincidence but 22 minutes into the premiere there's a camera flare as Jack shines a torch down the hatch. It creates four circles; blue, red, green and purple.

I'm not sure if camera flares that colourful happen naturally or not but it caught my eye.:)

jane_eire

02-03-2010, 11:53 PM

I noticed that Hurley changed into a Red Shirt after his "encounter" with Jacob. By the Sewing Kit colors, red means deception; is Hurley launching his own long con? Is he even aware of it?

Devera

02-04-2010, 12:21 AM

Hurley wears red a lot. Is it because Hurley is the most deceiving, or is Hurley the most deceived? Or do we need to reevaluate red?
100%
Hurley thoughts, part 2:

Off island, Hurley was overly open and trusting to Sawyer. Sawyer told Hurley that someone could take advantage of that...

BeLu

02-06-2010, 01:56 PM

There was so much red in the temple - ridiculous amounts of it. The others (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1518-808.html) wore a lot (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=133278&fullsize=1) of red, which reminded me of the rajneesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshee)who wore orange/red all the time. Even the plants (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=133277&fullsize=1) are red (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1518-906.html) (but are not the old red flowers (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1191-582.html) that showed up with smokey). The water in the pool (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1518-1012.html), of course, is red (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1518-1007.html). The cover (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=133292&fullsize=1) on the hourglass is red. The flare was red.

Devera

02-06-2010, 03:03 PM

That's an interesting connection to the Rajneesh movement, especially considering the conflicts about procreation on the Island.

Juniebun

02-06-2010, 03:11 PM

Devera

02-06-2010, 03:29 PM

So, Jack in purple in the "Last Supper" Season Six poster. What do you think about it, Lucidity? Or, any "Sewers", in general, what do you think? All I can say is the purple is associated with religion. And that I think that Lucidity was connecting purple to time travel and Desmond in the past. Does this mean that Jack is the point person for time travel stuff going forward, maybe?

Hi, Dev! Long time no talk!

Hey there.

We have had purple associated two different things on the thread--with love and with time travel. I was more on board with the love suggestion, because it seemed more obvious to me in context of what was happening in the script, although I do agree that Desmond wears purple a lot when he is dressing up in his Dr. Who-like outfits and the flashes have been described as having a purplish-pinkish tinge.

I believe it might have been Sam G who first suggested that "passion" might be a more comprehensive word than love. Last year we had a long conversation about it, because of course "Passion" also has religious connotations. In the Bible and other texts with holiness, purple is often a color associated with extreme holiness. It is also a color associated with royalty, such as kings and queens.

Personally, I have been taking "The Lost Supper" promotional photos with an extreme grain of salt, especially since we have already seen three versions of the promotion released already. It would be easy for them to switch everyone's outfits around, as they seem to enjoy doing both on the show and in interviews. For this reason, I'm not sure if we can truly believe that purple is Jack's color. When Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse did a word association that I sent them in a podcast last year, they replied "Jin" to the word purple. Also, I notice that Sayid currently seems to be wearing purple on the island as he is waking up.

As for a Desmond and Jack connection, I certainly found the whole exchange in the airplane very interesting. It reminded me of Christian's hauntings, and also of Hurley and Dave.

I'm glad we are talking about purple, because I definitely find it one of the more intriguing colors. I have noticed in my life that it also seems to be a very popular color with those around me. :grin:

Luc, I would definitely like to see what you find in "LA X." Has this first episode aired there yet?

Juniebun

02-06-2010, 03:34 PM

Personally, I have been taking "The Lost Supper" promotional photos with an extreme grain of salt, especially since we have already seen three versions of the promotion released already. It would be easy for them to switch everyone's outfits around, as they seem to enjoy doing both on the show and in interviews. For this reason, I'm not sure if we can truly believe that purple is Jack's color. When Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse did a word association that I sent them in a podcast last year, they replied "Jin" to the word purple. Also, I notice that Sayid currently seems to be wearing purple on the island as he is waking up.I'd love to hear what other words TPTB used for the other people/characters, Dev, when you have a chance. :biggrin:

Devera

02-06-2010, 03:39 PM

I don't think they would have done it if my entire word association had been comprised of characters or colors--something tells me that would have been too revealing. Let me see if I can go find it...
100%
Well...that's interesting, there is no transcription of this particular podcast on Lostpedia! I did find my notes from the podcast thread, though. The first words are the ones I gave them in the list--they were supposed to say a word that would relate to how those particular words related to LOST. Carlton Cuse read the words to Damon Lindelof, and Damon responded in this way:

"Apollo bars" - sugary
"Sayid" - torturer
"Memory" - confusing
"Trojan horse" - Odysseus
"Orange juice" - Juliet
"Purple" - Jin
"Hans Christian Andersen" - The Little Mermaid
"Blood" - This word freaked DL out, and he wanted to end the game. :biglaugh:
"Bunnies" - Dr. Pierre Chang

For timeline context, this podcast was from February of last year.

Juniebun

02-06-2010, 07:38 PM

Lucidity

02-07-2010, 12:33 PM

Juniebun >
Lucidity - I've always loved this thread, just wanted to say that, even though I haven't posted in it in a long time. I think that S6 will give us some great tidbits to work with - I can't wait!

Yeah, me too, we've covered such varied topics over the years. And had a few successes along the way too. And yes, S6 is going to be very exciting in terms of this thread.

If you read Spoilers there are a number of things being set up that would fit right into this theory . . .

The numbers do represent Losties, as predicted here from the beginning. And those 6 Losties are required to carry out some kind of mission. Different Losties will fall on different sides of the battle - though it's not clear whether that means that within the 6 there will be a division, that would be my guess, and hey, again, it's what we had from the beginning - 3 "good" Colours and 3 "bad" Colours, on either side of the Dharma wheel, separated by Black and White. Also that fake documentary about Dharma confirmed something similar. And, of course, we now have people represented as Colours as 100% fact through MiB and Jacob, and Powers are now old hat.
So yeah, bring on S6 !

Melzawelza >
Could just be a coincidence but 22 minutes into the premiere there's a camera flare as Jack shines a torch down the hatch. It creates four circles; blue, red, green and purple.

I'll have to look out for that when I do a rewatch. It would be handy because every Season Premiere so far has had a clear Colour palette, but this one didn't. So if that was deliberate it would hold up that part of the theory.

jane_aire >
I noticed that Hurley changed into a Red Shirt after his "encounter" with Jacob. By the Sewing Kit colors, red means deception; is Hurley launching his own long con? Is he even aware of it?

Well, don't forget we have Red as Deception as the Theme in a given scene, but as a Power it's what we've always called Perception, and Hurley's ability to talk to the dead would definitely fall into that category.

BeLu >
There was so much red in the temple - ridiculous amounts of it.

Totally. I don't know what the meaning was, but yeah, it was everywhere you looked (well, everywhere the camera looked ! :rolleyes:). And all so deliberate - things tied round the head, in Cindy's hair . . .
The only connection I'm thinking right now is the Red flowers seen when Smokey appears - could it indicate that the Temple is Smokey's place, and that's why they were so convinced he'd be heading over there as soon as Jacob was killed?

That could be interesting in terms of whether or not MiB is the Good Guy or the Bad Guy. Hey, maybe THAT is what he meant by "going home".

Juniebun >
So, Jack in purple in the "Last Supper" Season Six poster. What do you think about it, Lucidity? Or, any "Sewers", in general, what do you think? All I can say is the purple is associated with religion. And that I think that Lucidity was connecting purple to time travel and Desmond in the past. Does this mean that Jack is the point person for time travel stuff going forward, maybe?

I'm not sure about Time Travel now because on-Island Desmond seems to be out of the picture, and surely he has been set up as Mr TT?

And Devera has explained the whole Purple situation very nicely.

What I did notice earlier is a picture of Sawyer from an upcoming Ep. I'll Spoiler font it, but, for those who don't read Spoilers, the picture reveals nothing about the upcoming Ep other than the Colour Sawyer is wearing.

Sawyer (http://b3rt4.iimmgg.com/image/41db1f11be68a74c634fd61e85c3c85d)
I mentioned the same shirt the other day, thinking it was Blue, but now I'm wondering if, when we see it in good quality, it's actually Purple. That would cover Purple, and would make sense given Sawyer's current emotions.

And yes, that Purple = Jin thing from Darlton was very telling, in my opinion. As we said at the time, why would they associate ANYONE with a Colour unless there's something to this theory?

And while we're on the subject of Purple, how perfect was this? (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=132935&fullsize=1)

rthensley

02-08-2010, 08:01 AM

My workplace seems to be blocking some web sites. I was going to go check some screencaps of the clothes Juliet and Sayid were wearing when they died. the death = green connection is the easiest one to examine.

I believe Sayid was wearing black when he "died". Of course he was "reborn" (maybe), but was still in black.

Anyone remember what Juliet was wearing?

Sam G

02-08-2010, 10:11 AM

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1490-1364.html Juliet was wearing red.

deceiving us, she didn't die...well, until this season.

Ambergris

02-08-2010, 10:14 AM

I admit I never really paid attention to colors in this show for a long time - yet, lately I've come to think that they really play a vital role. At the moment I wonder who of all the people of Lost, is the one most associated with the color red, and the one with the color blue. Because these two people might be similar to the Smoke Monster and Jacob - just a level below or above.

Devera

02-08-2010, 03:54 PM

I believe Sayid was wearing black when he "died". Of course he was "reborn" (maybe), but was still in black.

I'm fairly sure Naveen Andrews was still wearing that bright purple shirt from last season, but it might have been with a black outfit.

Anyone remember what Juliet was wearing?

Elizabeth Mitchell was wearing bright pink (everyone else says purple or red, but I still think it looks bright pink). Shannon was also wearing pink upon being shot. Are we going to see a pattern with deaths in pink? I kind of like Sam's idea that it points toward the death being deceptive.

Hildy

02-08-2010, 04:53 PM

I definitely think the deaths are deceptive. We've had three examples of people who died and then came back to life (Charlotte Malkin, Locke and now Sayid); two corpses (Ethan and Paul) which were visibly still breathing; and Pikki who were buried alive. Wouldn't surprise me if any character who's "died" on the island came back later as someone else - in other words, some newer additions are the "walking dead" hence Dharlton's jokey comments about a Zombie season.

H x

Sam G

02-09-2010, 08:55 AM

http://www.losttalk.net/gallery/picture-82538.html - I think we discussed the color of Juliet's blouse - I would call it rose/magenta. Red with a little blue not enough to make purple.

Juniebun

02-09-2010, 06:44 PM

http://www.losttalk.net/gallery/picture-82538.html - I think we discussed the color of Juliet's blouse - I would call it rose/magenta. Red with a little blue not enough to make purple.Sam - I can't get your link to work for me...:confused:

Sam G

02-09-2010, 06:53 PM

Junie, it's their site, maybe they are working on it.

Juniebun

02-09-2010, 07:08 PM

Junie, it's their site, maybe they are working on it.No problem, Sam...thanks...I'll check back later...:)...

Sam G

02-09-2010, 10:06 PM

It's working now.

Liplocked

02-16-2010, 06:17 PM

a bit disjointed and from a number of sources but:

In the book of Exodus (the Torah) 32:24-32 there is a story about Jacob wrestling with an angel. That angel is thought to be Uzziel. Jacob's afraid for his life believing his brother Esau, was going to kill him. Jacob felt he had a choice; he could find a clever solution like he had done many times before, or he could give up the struggle and surrender completely to God. Jacob fought the angel all night, symbolising his spiritual battle.

To Christians, Uzziel is a powerful Cheribim. His name means "Strength of God." of that God is his power. Jacob's great-grandson and uncle to Aaron.

Being an Angel and a man doesn't quite square with anything I heard before ...but what would an atheist know? case of a shared name perhaps. But the point is; Uzziel has colleagues in the second rank of Angels called Powers : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy some of the Islamic Angels (follow the on page link) are worth a look; gusrding the gate to hell and questioning the dead in their graves about their good and bad deeds.

http://www.naturesworkshop.co.uk/angelwings/AngelWingsAngels.aspx http://www.colorsofpraise.com/colors.html

Apologies for any repetition - my machine is tiresomly slow this evening and backreading near impossible. Back soon with a yellow analysis - it's this seasons new ....er, yellow. :smile: I'm feeling lucky about it nailing its meaning.

simone5p

02-19-2010, 11:00 PM

What is the significance of all the striped clothing I wonder... it's a constant... in every group of people, more than you'd see naturally are wearing stripes...

Another thing I noticed is that there is always a yellow piece of paper... a yellow sticky, once a yellow brick ... on the walls.

Devera

02-20-2010, 01:31 AM

simone5p

02-20-2010, 10:44 PM

Boone's eyes in LA X are distinctly two colors... looks like brownish-green in the right eye and blue in the left; there's a good peek as he says ,"Wow," in response to Locke's walkabout tale.

squid

02-22-2010, 03:28 PM

Some viewers pointed out that Locke's burial suit actually changes colors and someone said there is a difference in the ties... thought it might be of interest to this thread -- my monitor's color resolution isn't good enough to distinguish small differences... some posters even thought one of the suits was brown but the ostensible differences were attributed to production error... just fyi

squid

Funeral home/LA:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=118226&fullsize=1

Butcher shop:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=124201&fullsize=1

Buried at beach (didn't see any brown suit caps):

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134913&fullsize=1

Definitely some changes.

Liplocked

02-22-2010, 03:41 PM

Yeah, the stripes and the checks are weird. I thinks someone had a theory that horizontal and vertical stripes distinguished good and bad, but I can't remember who thought that might be the case.

I'm thinking maybe the colors represent who is who...I need to look at screen caps for the last few episodes. I get so caught up in watching that I forget to note outfits and colors.

Locke choosing between the light green and the darker green reminded me of this thread, though, along with the cleverness of him choosing one and then saying he meant another.

I once ...'bout a million years ago it feels, suggested that Ben's vertical stripes represented prison bars. That was before we learned he was able to leave the Island, but as those trips were most likely taken in service of Jacob - who IS real, and not something Ben made up to manipulate Jack, John et al or Richard invented to manipulate Ben - the metaphor stands.

But I'm supposed to be doing a piece on yellow so.... discussions of shades of green aside (especially if we're about to descend into a row about what is actually blue) - Orange! did you spot the orange?

It was cunningly placed in the staff room disguised as tea. ;)

(I recall Ben in horizontal stripes once only - and that may have been the fabric's weave - when he appeared on the Pala ferry dock still know to the 815ers as Henry Gale)

itsagame

02-22-2010, 04:40 PM

Devera

02-22-2010, 09:54 PM

When I seen that scene...what came to mind was them saying...

Ok we see ya LOST fans....see that your on to the colors....and perhaps actually knowing this thread and acknowledging Lucidity and crue's thoughts on colors.

but now we want to show you there is a difference in the meaning between the 2 shades of green.

I know the colors corresponding to Astrology has more then one shade of green.

Interesting, and astrology is definitely a recurring topic. I interpreted the scene partially about looking like you were saying one thing and switching over and saying "actually what I really meant was this," but definitely the color green was probably important, too. I know that Luc has Locke as a green, so I would love to read Luc's interpretation on it.

Liplocked

02-23-2010, 09:47 AM

Yellow review, eps 1 and 2 - by no means comprehensive, but all the bits that spoke to me:

seen lining Hugo's (plaid) shirt collar as he explains how nothing bad ever happens to him on the airplane, when Christian's body is missed at the airport desk where there's an island idyl poster behind the clerk, at the bottom of the UP escalator Kate uses as she escapes - check the palms she looks into on the floor above - and on the ramp behind Jack when the fleeing Kate recognises him.

When Kate goes back and gives Claire a lift (a week later ;) ) an entire garage door is painted a now familiar yellow.

Very striking for me was the bottom step into the Temple pool - unequivocally yellow even through whatever spoiled the water.

Saw a black & white, light/dark chessbaord pattern worth a mention; though it was was some distance away, it can be seen through the office windows as Jack calls his mom from lost luggage and speaks to John.

I need to watch The Substitute again with my colour eyes in. Black and white stones aside, the only thing of colour I recall is that Helen and John's house was full of red ornaments (Rose in purple, Helen in pink - gotcha).

danl08

03-08-2010, 10:30 AM

I am not all that interested in what color clothes people are wearing, but there was a great scene in Sundown which clearly used color to foreshadow the upcoming events.
First, there is a famous scene from The Godfather where Michael has to go to a restaurant to have a meeting with the rival crime boss who shot his father and a cop on his payroll who broke Michael's jaw in an earlier scene. As soon as they walk into the restaurant you notice this bright red glow which fills the entire room. Michael goes to the bathroom, retrieves the gun and shoots them both dead. No where else in the film do you see the use of this color and lighting so blatantly. There are also many people who believe that the final scene of The Sopranos uses similar lighting as an homage to The Godfather. so......
When they first show Keamy you see a very noticeable red/orange glow behind him which covers him and the henchman standing behind him. I couldn't help but immediately think, The Godfather..... Keamy is going to be dead again. It was a great use of the light to foreshadow and set the tone for what was coming.

simone5p

03-08-2010, 10:56 AM

2 blank yellow sticky notes on David's blue lamp

1 yellow sticky note in Locke's box office cubicle

tommysoprano

03-09-2010, 09:36 AM

Liplocked

03-09-2010, 11:25 AM

I clocked the colour around Keamy too but thought, Wow! a new colour :biggrin: ~ Terracotta.

I painted my kitchen a similar hue, but it was called 'Hullabalooo'. Yellow then:

(rather pale) Yellow roses for remembrance ...plus a splash of passionate purple in Nadia's bouquet. Very obvious yellow lighting of the water during Dogan's drowning. Sayid's niece's lunchbox - could have been any colour unlike the schoolbus.

A lovely sunnyside up egg ...particularly funny in an episode called Sundown I thought, and other dabs of yellow throughout the hellish kitchen.

Best bit has to be the CAUTION sign though, followed by a standard black Keep Door Closed, my mind lept to castles and the notion this sign was fact rather than instructional.

Other colours: a black and red game reference in Miles' Patience *wags finger* Funny! and ...er ...that would be all actually. I saw a lot of stripes :smile: Omar, Keamy, his associate and Ben were all wearing them.

But Keamy totally rocked his; in full on Nic Cage loony mode, he even made spreading blood stain look good.

Sam G

03-09-2010, 01:55 PM

I did register Nadia in red at the hospital.

Liplocked

03-10-2010, 05:01 AM

Before I dash off insanely looking to see if Walt ever owned a zebra or penguin toy,

What if anything do youse make of Aaron's bought-before-birth killer whale and the not-actually-for Ji Yeon panda bought by hospital dash Jin?

sigh - NOW I gotta go look see if Sun's baby ever got a black & white cuddly anyway. lol

danl08

03-10-2010, 08:39 AM

Funny you mention The Godfather & The Sopranos........I did read that The Sopranos used a lot of ORANGE in that final scene to represent the scene in The Godfather with the ORANGE AND DEATH? Which is why so many people thought Tony got "whacked" in that last scene! (Me being a Huge Sopranos fan from New Jersey, I refuse to believe it! lol) But I did notice the Orange and Red in that scene with Keamy you described! Nice catch and great post!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Tony is D E A D dead. Bob Harris (http://www.bobharris.com/component/content/article/76/1406-tony-soprano-didnt-just-get-whacked-he-practically-got-a-funeral) has a great post on this from a while back which has been updated a few times. great stuff in there though.

Liplocked

03-11-2010, 09:23 AM

That is some good work danl08 :smile: my in-laws are big fans, I shall enjoy sharing that with them.

I got me my Yellow Hat on (heads up for a catch up) : http://members.optusnet.com.au/charles57/Creative/Techniques/sixhats.htm ~ so here we go, pro bono:

The Substitute:
Hurley's so-lucky-it's-undingable vehicle,
the temp company's former-scamming alternate-identity-as-an-animal inquisitor's pencil,
a lid on a canister behind Rose,
Oceanic's 'inspected' tape on John's knife case,
and the Sports Hall walls.

Diesels Blitz

03-12-2010, 12:58 AM

This has more to do with black and white rather than colorful colors, but I thought it was interesting from the episode "Dr. Linus."

The scene at the end where it shows them all standing reminds me of the end of the episode "Collision" from season 2. In that scene Jack was standing on one side of the screen and Ana Lucia on the other. This time it was Jack on one side and Ben on the other. The camera shot is a little further away too to emphasize this. Jack was wearing light colored clothes while Ana Lucia was wearing dark. It was reversed in this episode. Interesting. :)

Liplocked

03-18-2010, 06:05 PM

Ben - dressed in earthy browns I think - stands bisected against a black and white wall as he reminds the retreating Principal he has a doctorate degree.

Yellow in the Lighthouse: hardly saw any at all - a bit of wire in Claire's lair and an insipid shade on a lid of paint in the same.

Liplocked

03-20-2010, 11:12 AM

now that's what I call yellow: the flower offered Charlotte, ...that pale wash on the wall where Kate was caught doesn't really do it for me.

Absolutely adored the copper lighting to the back of Widmore's head though - so like Keamy's kitchen.

Sam G

03-20-2010, 11:27 AM

Charlotte wearing red at the door when James goes to apologize.

Liplocked

03-21-2010, 06:21 PM

I recall on second viewing of the blue folder with SAWYER on it, that Locke had a red one covering the same material in The Brig.
100%
I did register Nadia in red at the hospital.

Charlotte wearing red at the door when James goes to apologize.

and Alex wore red to the library.

One might call them dead fashionable.

Sam G

03-31-2010, 12:18 AM

Sun wearing purple, listening to Locke telling her she just has to come with him across the Island because that's where Jin is. (standing in front of a big red plant.)
Jin is behind a green door. He's locked in the fridge with orange/carrots and green/ears of corn.
100%
Some really great uses of color in last nights episode
http://www.losttalk.net/gallery/category-130.html

http://www.losttalk.net/gallery/fullpicture_87810_o.html

Sam G

04-05-2010, 12:35 PM

http://www.losttalk.net/gallery/fullpicture_88251_o.html
http://www.losttalk.net/gallery/fullpicture_88232_o.html
http://www.losttalk.net/gallery/picture-87698.html thought I'd add this one too

Liplocked

04-06-2010, 08:41 AM

Glad to see you're still on the colours case Sam, with all the new interest this thread deserves and needs to be on page 1.

Sun's jungle print blouse reminds me of a few instances of Alt/original cross-over reference I saw in Dr Linus: Ben's house displays a few odd framed prints, one of what looks like a large red rock and another that's dark grey and smokey. :shrug:

Caught a nice splash of yellow too on Alex's folder as she stands beside a painting of a rocky coastline. Very Islandish.

Did you see the yellow fruit/flower behind Locke in the scene with the red plant you posted above? Glad someone other than me thought it was a red episode, I'm reading about peoples purple observations and they are right - just a few episodes after I make note of how Ben's dirty shirt looks like the browns his Alt wears and speculate at some sideways influence/causality/mirroring, he's dusted himself off and looks violet again!

Ladies in red... but Ji Yeon's not dead :confused: what does it mean? :hissy: ;) :biggrin:

Sam G

04-06-2010, 11:05 AM

I've thought Red was danger/deception. Worried about Sun in the Green jungle print blouse.

Liplocked

04-06-2010, 12:37 PM

I was happy with deception/danger red, but lately I've sen it so often on Alt women - all of whom are dead in our OR, and on talks to the dead Hurley and works for dead-Jacob Ilana... it's become funereal to me. Not nearly as disturbing though as Charles' eerie green scope light. That is worrying.

It was suggested something might be afoot with checks and stripes: I have Ab Aeterno's doctor in plaid pants, Widmore in a check shirt and Alt Jin in stripes.

I am enjoying the new dimension light is adding to our colour analysis. The amber is very striking. Almost as striking as Jack extending Sun a hand and asking "Do you trust me?" - as opposed to the MIB - while sitting beside her on the beach wearing a black T himself.

...I've made myself miss the similarly once struck silent Rose now. lol

rthensley

04-06-2010, 01:00 PM

Remember...that according to TPTB there is no alternate universe. (if you choose to believe them)

There was another thread several weeks where a group of people had concluded that the color red is associated with death on Lost.

Liplocked

04-06-2010, 05:41 PM

Can't say I was privy to that Darlton pearl rthensley, I adopted Alts because it's a heck of a lot easier to spell than ....what might I use, divergences? and better abbreviated than Parallels would be:

'I knew a John Locke once, but he was para...' it just doesn't work does it? ;)

Happy LOST Night colour (and fabric pattern) watchers.

Devera

04-07-2010, 01:46 AM

Desmond switched shirts a lot tonight.

Sam G

04-07-2010, 01:53 AM

Most noticeable, purple to red - same shirt lit differently.

Devera

04-07-2010, 02:09 AM

It looked like he wore mostly blue shirts in flash-world to me--thought it was interesting after we left him in the rusty red/purple shirt.

seaquelost

04-08-2010, 08:29 AM

I have Ab Aeterno's doctor in plaid pants...

In that time, fabric with print/stripes (any pattern) was a sign of wealth.

This is fantastic. RoyBatty's post: Exceptional Island Colors
http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=123904

Devera

04-09-2010, 03:36 AM

Color links:

- Island Des in the red shirt (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-4.html). Yep, red (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-5.html).
- Zoe is wearing a blue shirt.
- Jin looking handsome in white (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-21.html) (Widmore wearing neutral tan jacket with what looks like a dark shirt underneath).
- Widmore has blue eyes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-22.html) in these scenes that look to be tinted slightly differently to me
- Blue light special (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-23.html)
- Zoe grey t-shirt (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-27.html) under the blue shirt
-Here's what Sam was talking about, lighting makes that red shirt look purple (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-47.html)
- Blue/red temperature gauge sides (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-55.html) -- this guy is hesitating on pulling these levers.
- Hello, Mr. Light Blue Shirt (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-72.html). You're familiar. As are our shades (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-82.html).
- Scales painting (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-94.html) with bright background colors
- LIght brown eyes, not almost black (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-163.html)
- This MRI guy (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-169.html) is in red/maroon
- Charles Widmore in violet and a crazy violet tie (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-221.html).
- Eloise is wearing some sort of outfit that looks like it is made out of drapes with purple flowers. Orange and yellow flowers are behind her on the table (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-229.html). They're (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-241.html) very visible (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-238.html).
- Maybe someone just loves blue lighting (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1542-299.html), and there's no more to it than that.