"Colour has taken possession of me; no longer do I have to chase after
it. I know that it has hold of me forever . . . Colour and I are one."
- Paul Klee


So, what is this thread about? Put simply, Colour in Lost.

Our theory is that the Writers are using Colour as a clue, in the same way they might be using Literary Works or Names.

Within that there are different ideas, the first of which was my suggestion that each Colour had a meaning. These meanings then developed, expanded and changed.

As things stand :
Red is Deception
Blue is Safety, Health
Orange is Danger
Green is Life and Death
Purple is Love

There is also a small group of us who think that Lost might be about Powers. But realistic ones - think "Unbreakable", or Desmond's ability that we've already been shown. And so, there's also the idea that these Colours might correspond to groups with a certain Power or Losties that often wear Blue and Red, for example, might be reflecting certain Powers they possess.

In that sense :
Red is Perception (Desmond's clairvoyance, Sayid's ability to spot lies)
Blue is Healing (Jack, obviously, perhaps Juliet too)
Orange is Luck (Hurley's ability to bend probability)
Green is Nature (Locke's tracking and hunting, Jin's fishing, Sun's botany)
Pink and Purple as Powers, (not quite) a total guess, but I think will be about Space and Time.

There's a WebSite (Lucidity.es (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Main%20Page.htm)) with examples of all of this and is well worth checking out if you haven't already. It's a bit stagnant at the moment, but once S4 kicks off, there'll be a section for each ep and it'll all be updated constantly.

And, of course, there's the first Sewing Kit thread (The Sewing Kit (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=66980)) with the first 2000 posts. And what better time to thank everyone for contributing so much.

Well, let the conversation continue . . .

I just finished typing and posting a comment or two in the old thread and then I saw, "This thread is closed!" Now, I get what's going on! :)

To continue the discussion here, in the new thread...

I think that there's got to be some "bleedover" between loops or we wouldn't have that much drama or, for that matter, any clues as to what's going on. Take Jack's knuckles, for example, and Sawyer's comments from the first season, "I've wished for this for four years!" Personally, I think that these are two examples of some kind of bleedover between loops. I don't know how much time goes on between loops or what it takes to trigger another loop, but I definitely think that there's something "loopy" going on.

Also, on the subject of what and who's real...

What if Jack and Kate are the only real people? Actually, I think that there's a few more real people on the Island than that, but again, there's something strange going on along those lines and I'd say that we all think that things aren't as they seem. Along these lines, maybe only the Losties that make it off of the Island are real. I don't know. There's a purpose behind all of this, but I can't put my finger on it.

There's got to be a reason why Jack and Kate where seen after the crash away from everyone else. What is it? I know that there have been a lot of theories out there for that question, but I think that it's a key issue. We know that they both were in white when we first see them, but what else makes the fact that they were seperate from everyone else seem important?

Also...did anyone else read the ideas posted by someone (I forget who...) that compared the fbs that were on the plane? This person realized that Jack's, Kate's and Charlie's fbs were somewhat different than each other. Sam said that the way that the stewardess said that everyone needed to fasten their seatbelts right before the crash was different in each of the character's fb. Also, someone else said that we didn't see everyone in all the fbs on the plane - and why not? Just a passing glance of each main character? Nope. Maybe, Sam might remember who was in what fb...

Perhaps that's where your comment on Suds' thread comes into things : why did Ben say that every LIVING person on the Island would die if Jack made that call.

It was never very popular as a thread, but I'm still pretty convinced by the idea I put forward in 108 Days (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=69226).
Here's the basis of it :

Phase 1 (4 days) : Day 1 to 4
Phase 2 (8 days) : Day 5 to 12
Phase 3 (15 days) : Day 13 to 27
Phase 4 (16 days) : Day 28 to 43
Phase 5 (23 days) : Day 44 to 66
Phase 6 (42 days) : Day 67 to 108

Day 1 >
Arrival.
Day 5 >
Jack has first Island Vision, and Smokey does its first "Reading" of Locke.
Day 13 >
Sayid hears the first Whispers.
Day 28 >
Nothing clear, but Day 27 ended the Claire saga / Phase.
Day 44 >
Enter the Hatch, Raft leaves and Walt is taken.
Day 67 >
System Failure, Pala Ferry with the Others, etc.


So, in accordance with that structure, the idea would be that the Losties have to try to make it to Day 108, as opposed to everything automatically looping every 108th day.
As of Looking Glass they're on Day 93.

So, what qualifies as "making it to the 108th day"? One survivor? If everyone dies by that day, the loop starts again? This is very interesting, but how do you think that the mechanics of it work?

That's the problem, because no-one ever really got into the idea it was never fully "hashed out". But, off the top of my head, there could be a specific event that happens on Day 108 that enables them to break the cycle. And I think that whatever that event is it will involve Jack "lifting it up", as per Desmond's Past / Future instructions.

Luc, I don't know if it really fits into your theory of a 108-day loop, but a few days ago I was poking around on a (well known, I admit it) site lately, where somebody figured out an interesting to read theory about why Lost is a game (http://www.lostisagame.com/).
Not that I think you'll agree to the theory, but if I remember correctly, the person who wrote that site also split the whole stay on the island up into six phases, or levels as he calls them. Just thought you might be interested to check his phases and compare them to the ones you figured out. If I remember correctly, he didn't base his separation on the numbers, but onsomething else...beats me right now.
Of course it might also have been the Wolf in Sheep's clothing thread where I read about this the first time, so you might already know it. :)
Just thought you might be curious ;)
Kerstin

Re Jack's bruised knuckes.

I checked out the screencaps from the Pilot. Jack also has scratches on the left (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-8.html) and right (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-9.html) sides of his face. He has cuts on his back (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-165.html). The cuts on his hands (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-18-337.html).


Cuts on hands (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-1485.html) right after the fight with Ben. No cuts on face (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-1761.html) after the fight. Presumably no cuts on his back. Cuts on his hand (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-1765.html) later in the episode.


Check out this picture (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-18-337.html) again of Jack's hands in the pilot. On his left hand there appears to be cuts on 3-4 knuckes. There are also scratches on the fingers on the left hand.

Back to the cuts on the hands (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-1485.html) right after the fight. On the left hand only one knuckle appears to be injured.


IMHO, the cuts on the hands after the fight do NOT match the cuts on the hand in the Pilot episode. The left hand actually looks totally different TO ME.

In the Pilot Jack also has injuries to his face and back that he did NOT get in his fight with Ben.

Granted the injuries to Jack in the Pilot could have been fake, but using the screencaps I have to conclude that the injuries do NOT support any kind of loop.

The thing with Jack's cuts is that they're rather unusual. Split or bruised knuckles is invariably the result of punching, and that makes little sense as the result of a planecrash. Yes, there are other wounds visible in the Pilot that clearly weren't caused by his punch-up with Ben, but it WOULD explain the strange knuckle injuries.

But please remember, rt, no-one is claiming this evidence is conclusive or ANYTHING like it. We're just knocking around some possibilities during the long wait for S4.

So, in accordance with that structure, the idea would be that the Losties have to try to make it to Day 108, as opposed to everything automatically looping every 108th day.
As of Looking Glass they're on Day 93.

Luc, you know I had some issues with the 108 day loop thing. BUT I'll assume there is some sort of 108 day loop going on.

The 108 days came from the timer in the hatch........right?

When 108 minutes expired, bad things happened.

I wonder if that would hold true for any 108 day loop (just trying to make the anology line up)? When 108 days expire, bad things will happen. What if the Losties have to NOT make it to day 108 so bad things will not happen? Maybe something (freighter people?) has to happen BEFORE day 108?

(Is this what you are saying might be going on?)

Like I said before, I don't really have anything too clear on the 108 Days thing. I liked the idea of a loop, and certain things added up in that sense, and I just thought 108 Days would be cool. The idea of the phases was something I had suggested on my Hatch Computer thread for phases of the 108 Minute countdown, and it suddenly occurred to me to apply the same idea to days, and although not many agree with me, I think the events that happen on certain days adds up a little too well to rule it out as coinicdence. But from that point, I really don't have too much more in mind.

But I also think it's interesting that if each ep is a day, S4 could very well end on Day 108.

The thing with Jack's cuts is that they're rather unusual. Split or bruised knuckles is invariably the result of punching, and that makes little sense as the result of a planecrash. Yes, there are other wounds visible in the Pilot that clearly weren't caused by his punch-up with Ben, but it WOULD explain the strange knuckle injuries.

But please remember, rt, no-one is claiming this evidence is conclusive or ANYTHING like it. We're just knocking around some possibilities during the long wait for S4.


I understand you are just throwing out possibilities.

I guess I am looking at it like this.

In the Pilot we see Jack have: cuts on the left side of his face, cuts on the right side of his face, a big cut on his back, his right hand has cuts on 3 knuckes & two fingers, and his left hand has cuts on 4 knuckels and 4 fingers.

After the fight with Ben Jack has: cuts on 3 knuckels on his right hand, and a cut on one knuckle on his left hand. (Obviously he does not have the cuts on the face or his back. We can just throw those away and focus on the cuts on the hands.)

Hand Cuts:

After the fight with Ben - right hand has cuts on 3 knuckels and left hand has one knuckle cut

In the Pilot - right hand has 3 knuckle cuts & two finger cuts, and the left hand has 4 knuckle cuts and 4 cuts on fingers

The possibility is that the 13 cuts we see on Jack's hands in the Pilot could be the result of the fight with Ben that produced 4 cuts on Jack's hands. That is just what does not add up TO ME.

To make it easier for me to try to comprehend, just look at Jack's left hand. After the fight with Ben, that hand had 1 cut on a knuckle. In the Pilot that hand had 4 cuts on knuckles and 4 cuts on fingers. It just does not make sense TO ME that we can somehow explain those 8 cuts on his left hand in the Pilot being the result of a fight with Ben that produced 1 cut on that hand.

Yesterday I forgot to answer a post from Kerstin.

Kerstin80 >
Luc, I don't know if it really fits into your theory of a 108-day loop, but a few days ago I was poking around on a (well known, I admit it) site lately, where somebody figured out an interesting to read theory about why Lost is a game (http://www.lostisagame.com/).


I had seen that site before (the guy used to spam it something terrible here on the 'Lage) but I didn't know about the 6 phases. Not saying it is the case, but I wonder if he saw my idea and incorporated it into his theory. Not that the idea is SO original only I could have thought of it ( :biggrin: ), it's just that I didn't get a very good impression of the guy (or girl) from his "trolling" here on the 'Lage.

rt,
You're probably right. I can't remember who suggested the Knuckles thing but I remember seeing some screencaps and thinking it was interesting, but never looked that closely. It was only when Sam G made the point about Kate's clothes that I put two and two together and came up with fifteen.

The other day we were discussing a comment Junie had made about the fact that Ben said calling the Freighties would mean the death of every living person on the Island, and whether that implied there were living and non-living people.

Well, I was just watching that Lost in a Day Extra on the DVDs and there's the scene where Mikhail introduces himself and I wonder if it could tie in. He says he is "the last living member of the Dharma Initiative". Now, he could have simply been deceiving them, of course, but if we assume for one moment he was telling the truth, then surely if he's Dharma then so are some of the other Others, at least Ben would be. So could this be back to the idea that Ben isn't living or at least not living on the Island?

I tell you, it all sounds a bit unrealistic, but at the same time Darlton's incessant joking about the Zombie Season would make a lot of sense and become the best private joke ever.

The other day we were discussing a comment Junie had made about the fact that Ben said calling the Freighties would mean the death of every living person on the Island, and whether that implied there were living and non-living people.

Well, I was just watching that Lost in a Day Extra on the DVDs and there's the scene where Mikhail introduces himself and I wonder if it could tie in. He says he is "the last living member of the Dharma Initiative". Now, he could have simply been deceiving them, of course, but if we assume for one moment he was telling the truth, then surely if he's Dharma then so are some of the other Others, at least Ben would be. So could this be back to the idea that Ben isn't living or at least not living on the Island?

I tell you, it all sounds a bit unrealistic, but at the same time Darlton's incessant joking about the Zombie Season would make a lot of sense and become the best private joke ever.
Lucidity, good catch on Ben's and Mikhail's comments!

Your post reminds me of Ben's eyes (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=70196) in SIASL. More details in my post #12 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1402959&postcount=12)...

Although Ben's eyes seem more alien-like or reptilian (same same?) in that scene, I thought I would mention it here.

Hopefully it's not just TPTB playing with our theories...

Thanks, Tabby. Though, just to clarify, the original comment about Ben's statement was brought up by Juniebun. I remember your posts on the eyes because Gregg's unusually detailed response tied in so nicely to my Soul Catcher idea (chips behind the eyes).

And it's funny you mention reptilian because I've never been able to shake the idea that Ben's cuts on his lips could be from snake-like fangs. Even though they appeares during / after the armoury, so, presumably, they were the result of Sayid's torture.

I'm excited ! :clap:


A large part of the Colour talk here has always been connected to the idea that the Losties (will) have Powers, and Darlton told us that the Others took children who they thought were special, but on the other hand, pulling the mum and son from the burning car aside, Future-Jack hasn't turned into Superman, which is what I was expecting to see off the Island. That the Island would be their "origin story".

But Michael Emerson has said in a recent interview (http://spicedogs.livejournal.com/143500.html) that the Freighties DO have "extraordinary powers", so, if he's right, surely this opens up the market a little for Lost and our Losties to go the same route.

T if he's Dharma then so are some of the other Others, at least Ben would be. So could this be back to the idea that Ben isn't living or at least not living on the Island?
.


I don't think Ben was ever really a "part" of Dharma... he was a kid of one of the Dharma workers.


ps. Which isn't to say that I disagree with the idea that there are dead among us!

The other day we were discussing a comment Junie had made about the fact that Ben said calling the Freighties would mean the death of every living person on the Island, and whether that implied there were living and non-living people.That's right. Why didn't he just say that everyone on the Island would die if Jack called the Freighties? Ben's introduction of the word "living" just struck me as strange and possibly an important clue. Why wouldn't we think that everyone on the Island is living?

Well, I was just watching that Lost in a Day Extra on the DVDs and there's the scene where Mikhail introduces himself and I wonder if it could tie in. He says he is "the last living member of the Dharma Initiative". Now, he could have simply been deceiving them, of course, but if we assume for one moment he was telling the truth, then surely if he's Dharma then so are some of the other Others, at least Ben would be. So could this be back to the idea that Ben isn't living or at least not living on the Island?Some people said that Ben and in this case, Mikhail, just said the word living to emphasize how dangerous it would be to call the Freighties - what would happen after talking to them would be that they would kill a lot of the Losties and the Others. I think that there's more to it...

I tell you, it all sounds a bit unrealistic, but at the same time Darlton's incessant joking about the Zombie Season would make a lot of sense and become the best private joke ever.That's a good point, Luc. It reminds me of people when they talk around an issue...

Lucidity, good catch on Ben's and Mikhail's comments!

Your post reminds me of Ben's eyes (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=70196) in SIASL. More details in my post #12 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1402959&postcount=12)...

Although Ben's eyes seem more alien-like or reptilian (same same?) in that scene, I thought I would mention it here.

Hopefully it's not just TPTB playing with our theories...Hey, TR! It's good to see you (my eyes are green, but not reptilian)! I think that they eyes are a major thing in LOST - and not just a plot-telling device (the eye that opens at the beginning of the episode is who the ep is about). I think that the changes that we've seen in people's eyes are part of the story somehow...

Thanks, Tabby. Though, just to clarify, the original comment about Ben's statement was brought up by Juniebun. I remember your posts on the eyes because Gregg's unusually detailed response tied in so nicely to my Soul Catcher idea (chips behind the eyes).

And it's funny you mention reptilian because I've never been able to shake the idea that Ben's cuts on his lips could be from snake-like fangs. Even though they appeares during / after the armoury, so, presumably, they were the result of Sayid's torture.Thanks, Luc! No big deal, though!

I'm excited ! :clap:


A large part of the Colour talk here has always been connected to the idea that the Losties (will) have Powers, and Darlton told us that the Others took children who they thought were special, but on the other hand, pulling the mum and son from the burning car aside, Future-Jack hasn't turned into Superman, which is what I was expecting to see off the Island. That the Island would be their "origin story".

But Michael Emerson has said in a recent interview (http://spicedogs.livejournal.com/143500.html) that the Freighties DO have "extraordinary powers", so, if he's right, surely this opens up the market a little for Lost and our Losties to go the same route.

I just posted this in the Spoiler Thread Section, Luc! I was amazed that ME used the words "extraordinary powers"! How cool is that!

Darlton's incessant joking about the Zombie Season would make a lot of sense and become the best private joke ever.

Besides Darlton's jokes, we've had all sorts of almost dead and revived, dead and revived, and faked death events: Charlotte Malkin, Pikki, Zukerman, Rose, Charlie, Mikhail..

So I wouldn't be at all surprised if we're eventually hit with a zombie! If so, my money's on Christian, who just might have been poisoned with puffer fish venom (http://science.howstuffworks.com/zombie1.htm).. :eek2: :biggrin:

lostmio

So I wouldn't be at all surprised if we're eventually hit with a zombie! If so, my money's on Christian, who just might have been poisoned with puffer fish venom (http://science.howstuffworks.com/zombie1.htm).. :eek2: :biggrin:


they apparently should look out for tree frogs as well... Sawyer has it coming to him...

they apparently should look out for tree frogs as well... Sawyer has it coming to him...
BeLu, please expand on the tree frog bit...
I'm open to any Christian and zombie specs, but not married to my puffer fish theory...
How does Sawyer fit in?

Well, I was just watching that Lost in a Day Extra on the DVDs and there's the scene where Mikhail introduces himself and I wonder if it could tie in. He says he is "the last living member of the Dharma Initiative". Now, he could have simply been deceiving them, of course, but if we assume for one moment he was telling the truth, then surely if he's Dharma then so are some of the other Others, at least Ben would be. So could this be back to the idea that Ben isn't living or at least not living on the Island?

Oh terrific - now I have 'Things to Do in Dharma When You're Dead' stuck in my head. :rolleyes: lol.

Now that's a LOST movie I'd go to see. Sawyer got real lucky with that tree frog - it being diurnal makes it a good candidate for a poison dart variety, althought to be fair, he would have had to be unlucky to pick up one powerfully poisonous to kill him. Meh.

Still, I thought there would be a source of curare somewhere on the Island. :biggrin: *back the the Rewind*

there's an interesting snippet on one of the S3 dvd bonus features, either the 'Lost in a day' or 'lost on location' where they speak to one of the costume people and talk a little about colour and how/why they choose it.

how about the yellow phone in the snow station scene?
if there was ever a deliberate use of an unexpected colour then that must be one...

there's an interesting snippet on one of the S3 dvd bonus features, either the 'Lost in a day' or 'lost on location' where they speak to one of the costume people and talk a little about colour and how/why they choose it.

how about the yellow phone in the snow station scene?
if there was ever a deliberate use of an unexpected colour then that must be one...
And same scene---that glowing green reflection in both of Mathias' eyes...a case of the "green eye" rather than "red eye"...hehe.

BL,
That's interesting about the wardrobe department, I'll have to see if I can find it.

And yeah, the Yellow Phone got mentioned waaay back, but it always brings up the same argument - is Yellow a Colour in itself, or, what I suspect, for the purposes of Lost it's the same as Orange? Not that I see much "Danger" in that phone call. Perhaps Widmore was listening in and that's how the Freighter people came to be there? That would be Dangerous.

And yeah, I always thought the Tree Frog scene was a little over-the-top - can anyone really be that cruel?
I mean, killing it, maybe, but to do it in your bare hand? :sick:

Yeah, I was about to post that the Sawyer and the tree frog thing was when Sawyer killed the tree frog with his bare hands...I think that I read that even Josh Holloway thought that it was strange...

Yeah, I was about to post that the Sawyer and the tree frog thing was when Sawyer killed the tree frog with his bare hands...I think that I read that even Josh Holloway thought that it was strange...


Maybe, just maybe the frog killing was showing us how Sawyer was capable of using his bare hands to kill a defenseless, living thing (kind of like Cooper).

Maybe, just maybe the frog killing was showing us how Sawyer was capable of using his bare hands to kill a defenseless, living thing (kind of like Cooper).

Oh brilliant! Of course, it was good old classic foreshadowing. That makes perfect sense.

That's one thing I'm beginning to really catch on to during the hiatus. Re-watches, with what we know now, reveal that some of the things that puzzled us so were foreshadowing.

Oh brilliant! Of course, it was good old classic foreshadowing. That makes perfect sense.

That's one thing I'm beginning to really catch on to during the hiatus. Re-watches, with what we know now, reveal that some of the things that puzzled us so were foreshadowing.Yep. Although there are obviously some things that TPTB added on close to each episode, I think that they are telling the truth when they say that there is a lot that they planned ahead for...

There's a great joke about the whole planning thing on The Tale of Two Cities commentary. If I remember right, something about how there was originally a scene of Ben and Juliet discussing the Jack / Op plot. But they decided to take it out so that people could continue suggesting they were making it all up as they went along.

Mobisodes. Being incredibly picky but

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1049-525.html This is not the same shirt as the one Hurley is wearing in mobisode #2. Beside the color is a different Red. Notice the horizontal seam across the front of his shirt. The mobisode shirt color I'd call "Wine".

LUUUUUUUUC! :smile: what does yellow mean?

I know you must have discussed it, but Rewinding has given me the failsafe keyhole and Penny's yellow Batphone in the same episode as the Hatch's geodome was photographed yellow, followed swiftly up by Jack pressing a yellow button to release the Hydra's floodwaters.

"...every living person..." and "...last living member..." strike a chord with me; and it sounds like: "...may actually be survivors..."

They (the Others) had 'survivors' on the Island before who weren't what they appeared to be?

Well, it's not an easy answer, I'm afraid.
Personally, I think that for the purposes of Lost Yellow and Orange are the same thing - it's hard to tell sometimes when a Colour moves from Yellow into Orange, and (I know this sounds weak but . . .) there have also been some examples of objects being Yellow AND Orange.

Others have argued that that would be a lame set-up, and that the Writers wouldn't be so ambiguous.

But my take right now is definitely Yellow = Orange = Danger as a Theme, possibly Luck as a Power.


And yeah, the whole "living" thing has had me intrigued for a couple of weeks now. I can't help associating it with the 108 Button reading : "Execute".

I've always wondered if that button was like "Death" / "The Grim Reaper" or something, and that maybe one of the Valenzetti factors was over-population. Weird idea, I know. But since (as Juniebun pointed out) Ben said "every living person on the Island will die", or similar, I've been remembering more and more Life / Death clues.

Luck? that's neat; I arrived - by way of a detour around salvation - at 'Chance' this morning about 3 am.

But Chance as something might be employed in a game, rather than a super power.

Leap of Faith for the failsafe turning works just fine, but 'take a chance' works too, and sets up an alternate reality divergence moment:

Turn the key and live or don't turn the key and... well, whatever. Make the yellow Batphone call or don't make the call, get your oxygen mask on and maybe survive the crash or ...become one of the dead in the cockpit section?

Means perhaps giving up my cherished 'someone or something removed the masks theory... but I'm happy with Chance for now. Whose rolling the dice though eh? ;)

Speaking of Orange / Luck, there are some interesting set photos for Season 4 . . .


Dark has posted these pics (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/12/confirmation-of-new-dharma-logo.html), showing the new Dharma logo that was first seen a few weeks back along with the possible Dino bones. I think it MIGHT be significant that we have another Coloured logo. Okay, it's supposed to be rust-colour or something, but other than the Staff, so far they've all been Colourless. And it's the logo and also the framework.

As for what the logo is supposed to be, well, who knows? Flower, Wave, Yin Yang?

These (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-behind-scene-photos.html) were posted later of the same set.

And then, different Spoiler, someone that has seen the new Lost promo being shown at the Cinema gave a description (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/12/new-lost-trailers-in-cinemas-now.html) of it, and one thing struck me as interesting. One of the MANY potential Colour connections that we've looked at was the idea of Birthstones - remember in Ben's flashback there was a woman with a Dharma "Gemology" suit. Well, he says the Promo includes a shot of "some stones with very odd symbols on them". I'd love something like that to connect Powers and Colours - massive leap, I know, but I've always liked the possibility and the stones Spoiler got me excited.

Fractal? (a safe enough word I hope that it doesn't require spoiler fonting).

Woo Hoo !
New material to work with.

These are S4 Spoiler / Promo Pics, but I don't think there's anything too revealing in them.


Here's the link. (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/12/bucket-load-of-new-season-4-photos.html)
There are a lot of bold Colours in there, although not all of them make immediate sense.

There are some old favourites there too : Jack in Blue; Rose back in Pink in particularly cool; Claire and Aaron in Blue; Locke in Green; Desmond in Blue; Alex in Purple.

But like I say, some less obvious ones too : Sun in Purple - Love makes sense; Sawyer still in Green ?; Hurley still in Red?; Ben in Green; and particularly interesting, I thought, is Juliet in Yellow (which for me counts as Orange) - she's been in Blue a lot, and now the opposite.

Woo Hoo !
New material to work with.

These are S4 Spoiler / Promo Pics, but I don't think there's anything too revealing in them.


Here's the link. (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/12/bucket-load-of-new-season-4-photos.html)
There are a lot of bold Colours in there, although not all of them make immediate sense.

There are some old favourites there too : Jack in Blue; Rose back in Pink in particularly cool; Claire and Aaron in Blue; Locke in Green; Desmond in Blue; Alex in Purple.

But like I say, some less obvious ones too : Sun in Purple - Love makes sense; Sawyer still in Green ?; Hurley still in Red?; Ben in Green; and particularly interesting, I thought, is Juliet in Yellow (which for me counts as Orange) - she's been in Blue a lot, and now the opposite.


I noticed that Danielle, Alex and Kate all seem to be wearing tan tank tops...who knows if that means anything?

Maybe it supports speculation that they align with The Others, who were commonly shown in drab shades (and we have a spoiler that we will be surprised about which team one person chooses). Also, there has been various speculation that Kate, Alex and/or Danielle are somehow connected or related.

Interesting ideas, TR...

Tabby,
I agree. The Others are all about their tan clothes. Even when they wear a Colour, like Alex or Bea in Purple, it's a very dark tone. So, yeah, I like the idea that Kate might be changing wardrobe as a reflection of her upcoming allegiance.
I still find it very interesting that the outfit she was wearing in Looking Glass was the exact same one she was wearing in Pilot, as pointed out by Sam G.


And I hadn't heard those Rumours about a Kate - Danielle / Alex connection, but physically I can certainly see some similarities. Very interesting.



Juniebun,
Do you remember we were talking about your "every single living person on this Island will be killed" comment? Well in the new Promo being shown at the cinema (here's a link to a good quality version Dark's got hold of, it's a SPOILER (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/12/lost-trailer-high-quality.html), I guess) . . .

. . . they've changed the wording to "every person on this Island will be killed". I suppose they've changed it to make it shorter. But still, it makes you wonder . . .

Luc, I thought of you when I saw this.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cuse_strike.jpg

Funny....Damon used these words at Comic Con.


DAMON: Basically, we've talked about the show and what the Island is and certain major plot turns like when the Others would reveal themselves…..


Something else...

You may have a post regarding this scene....not sure. Orchids everywhere at Jack's wedding. (Pointed out on the Jack's Story thread by Comfortably Numb and Lostmio).

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-364-650.html

Look at her bridesmaid's dress...covered in white orchids.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-364-649.html

cq,
Yeah, I noticed that "What the Island is" thing the other day and posted it on my dnalsI ehT thread. For me it's a major reveal that the Island is a What and not only a Where. Very interesting.

And that Orchids stuff is way cool. On the one hand, because it's another example of Orchids everywhere, and on the other hand because they're White and recently I've been leaning more towards Jack being Mr White rather than Mr Blue. My idea is that White might encompass all of the Powers and Black would be its opposition.

This is Colour Speculation based on the BIG Spoiler that's being discussed on the Spoiler Board this week. I only warn you because 9 times out of 10 the Spoiler info on this Thread is just a few Promo pics, but this one is a biggy, so if you don't know the Spoiler already, choose wisely.


We've been told that 6 get off the Island, the Oceanic Six. Well, of course, we've also got 6 Colours. I'm hoping that there will be some connection and perhaps we can see how each of those who get off clearly represent one of the Colours, perhaps even wearing one each?, like the Pala Ferry Posse (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1085-184.html) and the Boaties (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1085-450.html), though that wasn't a perfect fit. Notice also that the Oceanic Six are all in those two groups too, 3 and 3.

The 6 are :
Kate, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Jin and Sun.

So this is very loose, I'm just thinking out loud, not changing evidence to suit, etc., but Jin and Sun both do a lot of Green but also Pinks, so that could cover either of those. Hurley has always been about Luck, so Orange in terms of our Powers, but has been wearing Red in all the Promo pics. Sayid is the opposite, his Powers are all about Red, but he always wears Black. Kate, again, always in Orange in FBs, but then popped up in Blue in the FF. And Jack, supposedly Blue, but like I was saying could be White. But then he also wears an awful lot of Purple.

So, already, with a LOT of manipulation, we can see that there MIGHT be some pattern there. But I'm just giving an example of how it might all come together, not suggesting that that works as it is. But it's going to definitely be worth looking out for in the upcoming Promo pics.

I was also just thinking back to the Orchids. Looking at the 6 again, we've seen Orchids in Kate's FB to the hospital, in Sun's FB to when she was a little girl, at Jack's wedding, Jin gives Sun those flowers - are they Orchids . . . all we're missing is Hurley and Sayid.

How does a thread about colors turn into a thread about "lost is a game"? I'm not complaining, I think it's delicious, like Desmond's tie-dye shirt after turning the Key.

Luc, you know the colors best of all. If you were to assign an Emotion to each color, what emotions do you think would work? I can see pink/purple already have Love, but what about the other colors? For example, where would you put Fear, Anger, Sadness and Happyness? How about Guilt? Pride?

Look at her bridesmaid's dress...covered in white orchids.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-364-649.htmlI love the orchid idea but those flowers aren't orchids but hibiscus http://static.flickr.com/136/325694953_d9e07f5df2.jpg

Sam,
I take it you mean the ones on the dress only, because the ones in the suit lapels
look like Orchids to me. Not that I'm an expert. Quite the opposite, unfortunately.

Perhaps they couldn't find a dress with Orchids and used something similar?

Jane,
Yes, it's a weird and wondeful path we've been down here. Though I don't remember when the "Lost is a Game" idea came up. But it wouldn't surprise me at all.

The emotions question, I'd say Purple is the only one that's totally an emotion, Love. We have often commented that Determination appears to be a key factor in Jack's healing ability too. I'd have to think what other emotions we could apply.

Okay, I'll throw out some ideas just to get it started. I don't know, I'm just tickled pink that there might be a third layer to the colors!

Blue = Determined or Faithful... in the sense of Trusting?
Pink = Compassionate?
Purple = Love (recall the sky turning purple and Desmond needing love to get through)
Yellow = Hope? Happy?
Orange = Curious? Surprised?
Red = Anger?
Green = Fear?

Not a botany expert...

But if those are orchids, then I say "Bravo!" for foreshadowing...

And maybe it's some kinda memory-sense-melding (or some such) goin' on...

Wonder if the flower that Jin presented to Sun at the airport is the same or similar to these at Jack&Sarah's wedding (and if so, so what?...LOL)? Hmmmm...

Tabby,
A long time back, way before the Orchid vid, we were talking about Orchids here because of the Pink and Purple segments on our stylised Dharma chart corresponding to Yoni and Lingam, and that tied in with Georgia O'Keeffe and her Orchids representing womanhood. We then looked at all the Orchids we'd seen and there have been quite a few cool examples.

Jane,
I don't know if you'd consider it an Emotion, but if you do, then Pink has to be about Faith. Rose is totally Mrs Pink. She wears it all the time and the root of her name even means Pink in many languages. And I'd say she embodies Faith, particularly in the opening eps.
I'd always looked at it as Wisdom, because of Pearls being Pink-ish and Bernard wanted to find her a Pearl, so Pearls of Wisdom.

A long time back, way before the Orchid vid, we were talking about Orchids here because of the Pink and Purple segments on our stylised Dharma chart corresponding to Yoni and Lingam, and that tied in with Georgia O'Keeffe and her Orchids representing womanhood. We then looked at all the Orchids we'd seen and there have been quite a few cool examples.

Every time orchids come up now, I think about the Orchid video! Lost has turned my brain into spaghetti.

I don't know if you'd consider it an Emotion, but if you do, then Pink has to be about Faith. Rose is totally Mrs Pink. She wears it all the time and the root of her name even means Pink in many languages. And I'd say she embodies Faith, particularly in the opening eps.

I'd always looked at it as Wisdom, because of Pearls being Pink-ish and Bernard wanted to find her a Pearl, so Pearls of Wisdom.

Cool! I like this line of thinking. Yeah, how about how Rose helps Charlie to regain his own Faith? That really makes a lot of sense.

I was thinking that Green might be Fear, or maybe Acceptance? Like, when Charlie is asking Hurley if he's hoarded any peanut butter, Hurley is wearing Green, and maybe he's afraid that Charlie has found out that he does indeed hoard food? Or with Boone falling in the Beechcraft, especially if he knew subconsciously that that may happen. I mean, it was a scary climb up there, wasn't it?

I remember some time back there was a lot of support for the idea that Green was about "lifelines", as people called it. Can't remember whose idea it was originally. The big example they always gave was Libby helping Hurley in "Dave".
Don't know how you can label that in terms of Emotions though.

I remember some time back there was a lot of support for the idea that Green was about "lifelines", as people called it. Can't remember whose idea it was originally. The big example they always gave was Libby helping Hurley in "Dave".
Don't know how you can label that in terms of Emotions though.

Well, aren't Life and Death situations often the scariest? I think Libby was very scared for Hurley's safety, especially with a growing attraction between the two of them. She was afraid that he was going to kill himself, or go crazy, if not both!

Let's see, what other Greens are there? Oh, how about Kate in Confidence Man? Isn't she afraid of what committing to torture is going to do to Jack's psyche? She's also afraid of Sawyer getting hurt by torture. (I think Kate knows more than she's letting on, by the way, but that's another line of thinking! ;))

Any other example you can think of?

Sam,
I take it you mean the ones on the dress only, because the ones in the suit lapels
look like Orchids to me. Not that I'm an expert. Quite the opposite, unfortunately.

Perhaps they couldn't find a dress with Orchids and used something similar?

Yes, the dress.

Tabby,
A long time back, way before the Orchid vid, we were talking about Orchids here because of the Pink and Purple segments on our stylised Dharma chart corresponding to Yoni and Lingam, and that tied in with Georgia O'Keeffe and her Orchids representing womanhood. We then looked at all the Orchids we'd seen and there have been quite a few cool examples.


Orchids and womanhood....? Doesn't 'orchid' share a root with testes?

Every time orchids come up now, I think about the Orchid video! Lost has turned my brain into spaghetti.

And everytime I think about the Orchic video I think, 'bollocks'.

Liplocked >
Orchids and womanhood....? Doesn't 'orchid' share a root with testes?


Well, "root" is the operative word there. The word "Orchis" comes from the Greek word for Testicles, given to the plant because of the shape of the roots. But they are also the classic Yonic symbol (Yonic being the female equivalent of Phallic).

Now, in my opinion, of the two "meanings" I'd say Womanhood is a far more common interpretation of the Orchid. But what's more, in Lost there are two key factors that support that idea, and which were the reason Orchids came up on The Sewing Kit 1 in the first place.

First, Georgia O'Keeffe. The painting seen in The Staff Operating Theatre was an O'Keeffe and so was the one seen at Anthony Cooper's. There have been lots more pictures that looked very O'Keeffe in style but that I haven't been able to pin down. And O'Keeffe was heavily associated with Synaesthesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaesthesia) (a Sewing Kit favourite) and Yonic symbolism, through her pictures of Orchids.

Second, on the Dharma Bagua that I've Coloured in (just check out the title page of the The Sewing Kit link in my Sig) the Elements that correspond with the Purple and Pink segments are Lingam and Yoni. These in turn then tie in with Heaven and Earth, Father and Mother, and Space and Time. Cool, huh?

For whatever it's worth I happened upon the following exchange in ...And Found. I did a quick search and didn't see it mentioned. I hope it helps.

Tai [Subtitled] I'm telling you, man --- this year... love will find you.
Jin [Subtitled] Well if the destiny book says it, it must be true.
Tai [Subtitled] My grandma used this book to meet my grandfather. It never fails.
Jin [Subtitled] What kind of woman? I mean, what's she look like, so I'll know when I see her?
Tai [Subtitled] Orange.
Jin [Subtitled] Orange.
Tai [Subtitled] Yes, love will look... orange.

Well, "root" is the operative word there.

Which is why I chose it. ;)

Now, in my opinion, of the two "meanings" I'd say Womanhood is a far more common interpretation of the Orchid. But what's more, in Lost there are two key factors that support that idea, and which were the reason Orchids came up on The Sewing Kit 1 in the first place.

First, Georgia O'Keeffe. The painting seen in The Staff Operating Theatre was an O'Keeffe and so was the one seen at Anthony Cooper's. There have been lots more pictures that looked very O'Keeffe in style but that I haven't been able to pin down. And O'Keeffe was heavily associated with Synaesthesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaesthesia) (a Sewing Kit favourite) and Yonic symbolism, through her pictures of Orchids.

O' Keeffe wasn't familier to me as an artist, although I do recognise some of her imagery. You may like this one : http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/lg/1/8/Georgia-O-Keeffe-Series-1--No--1-181736.jpg :smile: but 'll give her levitating horns a miss ta.

Second, on the Dharma Bagua that I've Coloured in (just check out the title page of the The Sewing Kit link in my Sig) the Elements that correspond with the Purple and Pink segments are Lingam and Yoni. These in turn then tie in with Heaven and Earth, Father and Mother, and Space and Time. Cool, huh?

I have cool covered - take a look at the mat in the Swan's bathroom. 'Earth' (if memory serves). Attention was deliberatly drawn to in in LOST magazine.

Thanks, Luc. I do enjoy it when Coop gets a mention.

LS,
Yeah, that one did get discussed a couple of times, but with the length of this Thread (well, Part 1 of it), and the fact that people come and go, it's always good to have a look at things again.
What I really liked about that scene was all the Red everywhere. It's one of those scenes that reassures me that I'm not going mad and there really is something going on with Colour. Look at the screencap (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-757-28.html) - Red fridge (not too common), with a Red box on top, and, in line, and at the forefront of the shot, a jar with a Red lid.
What it means, I don't know, but these little things were what made me think there's something deliberate there.

Liplocked,
I can't say I'm a fan of O'Keeffe either, I just like the potential connection to all of this. And those two pics must have been deliberate on the part of the Writers.

Do you know what ep that bathroom mat was shown?

Don't recall ever seeing in on screen - but it was in issue # 4 over here, and I hope had six segments in its cross hatch pattern (if it has 8 then that's a nice number but useless as a representation of the element earth lol ) But I no longer have it so I can't check.

There are magazine scans out there - but I don't know how that sits with copyright.

I fixed my link above - you can see the work now. And maybe guess why I thought it relevent. It looks to me like something we were discussing a short time ago.

"its cross hatch pattern" : that mat gets interestinger and interestinger.
("interestinger" > I know. I'm an English teacher. I'm just having a laugh.)
In terms of copyright, if you have a link I don't think that's an issue. People link similar stuff all the time.

And I didn't get the point in the pic before, to be honest, but now you've spelled it out, Fractals. Cool.

This bit of info is from a very interesting post made by cinamin (Hope you don’t mind, cin!) This is from the Soular Energy thread.


Seaque, I believe the Voltron toy ties into your aether theory too. The particular one used in Fire + Water was the Lion Force. The five parts of Voltron represent the five elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water and Ether. When all are united it is the most powerful. Does this symbolize the island's power?

(ether = aether ;) )

I-did-not-know-of-this-tidbit about the Volton toy until I saw cinamin’s post. Luc, you’ve incorporated the elements into your SK theory, haven’t you? Gotta’ love the connection to the elements!

congratulations on thread number two...I've definitely been negligent of the theorizing as of late.

Thats awesome about voltron.

I watched some of the season three dvd special features today and one specific instance reminded me of this thread. The head of wardrobe was shopping for clothes for a specific scene and mentioned that blue could not be used in the scene because of the use of a blue screen to display cgi in the background. I cant recall his specific words for the colours (i hate how firefox tells me im spelling this wrong but im not) he would use though but had a clear mind set and mentioned using "even some reds"

Thats awesome about voltron.

I know...isn't it? It's awesome when connections are made.


I watched some of the season three dvd special features today and one specific instance reminded me of this thread. The head of wardrobe was shopping for clothes for a specific scene and mentioned that blue could not be used in the scene because of the use of a blue screen to display cgi in the background. I cant recall his specific words for the colours (i hate how firefox tells me im spelling this wrong but im not) he would use though but had a clear mind set and mentioned using "even some reds"

Yeah, I recall seeing something about them not wanting to use a lot of green because of the surrounding jungle in most scenes. The cgi stuff fascinates me....I need to see if I can find something on youtube that shows how this is done.

with regards to cgi i may have just thrown that word out there without it being completely accurate, but you get the idea

First off, sorry I haven't replied sooner, but I've been away for Christmas with no internet access.

cq,
That Voltron stuff is amazing. I love it.
I was just doing a Wiki search on it all and it says that the Voltron series was based on an earlier series : Golion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golion).
Here's the break-down of Colours and Elements in Golion :

Black Lion (黒獅子, Kuro Shishi): Forms the body and head of GoLion. Powered by air. Piloted by Akira.
Red Lion (赤獅子, Aka Shishi): Forms the right arm of GoLion. Powered by fire. Piloted by Isamu.
Green Lion (緑獅子, Midori Shishi): Forms the left arm of GoLion. Powered by life. Piloted by Hiroshi.
Blue Lion (青獅子, Ao Shishi): Forms the right leg of GoLion. Powered by water. Piloted by Farla later after the death of Takashi, completing the team of five.
Yellow Lion (黄獅子, Ki Shishi): Forms the left leg of GoLion. Powered by earth. Piloted by Seido.


I love that Green is Life - fits perfectly with our set-up.


gusthepolarbear >
congratulations on thread number two...


Thanks, gus. :thumbsup:

And regarding the "cgi", yeah, there have been a few comments now from TPTB about Colour-use issues in filming.

I was just reading all the talk on the Spoiler board, and there's nothing Spoilery about this, but everyone there is talking about who Kate's "he" might be (as in "He'll be wondering where I am"), and something just hit me that was staring us in the face all along.

As we discussed after TTLG, Kate has gone from being Miss Dangerous in Orange to Miss Safe in Blue. And as many have suggested, Kate's "he" could be her child, or maybe even Claire's. So, duh !, maybe that's what the Blue is about - she's in Motherly Protection Mode, like Claire since Aaron was born, Aaron always being wrapped in Blue.

Or is it the other way around, and Claire is somehow protected by Aaron, and that is what is now happening to Kate?

Either way, I'm betting that's the reason for the Blue. It's not that she's in MirrorWorld or something, it's just that she's Protecting / Being Protected. And I don't know why, but the Blue makes me think it's Aaron rather than a child of her own.

There's rumblings that He might be an adult, although there are, of course, some posters that don't like the idea of Kate being with another guy. Either way, when Kate mentions He, it does seem like He is aware of most of her comings and goings. I was wondering if He is some kind of Handler for Kate since she and Jack got off the Island, although Jack's antics seem to indicate that no one really cares what he does...

I'd think that someone would not want Jack and Kate to talk about the Island to everyone, so who's going to stop them from doing that? Is it a guarantee that they won't talk because some of the other Losties got left behind by Jack and Kate - or something like that?

Well, sorry for the rambling there, but in a roundabout way, I was thinking that Kate has an adult Handler and he is not necessarily protecting her, but keeping an eye on her...that kind of goes with the blue...

Yeah, I saw that a lot of people's opinions have shifted into thinking it's someone controlling her, but I don't see that personally. It sounds like a weird situation for the Writers to go into, to me. I still think it's a child, hers or Aaron.

Or am I missing some Spoiler info that makes that unlikely ?

I've read that her "he" is connected to the fact that she is now free, but I still think that leaves things fairly open.

Yes, I read that, too, but I don't know what to think...

It seems like if she had a Handler, then Jack would, too. If Kate is taking care of Aaron, how'd that happen? Why not Jack, since he and Claire are half-siblings? I suppose that Jack's current emotional and psychological state isn't a good one to be in if you're taking care of a kid, however, he wasn't likely that bad when this possible shift in who takes care of Aaron hypothetically happened...well...I'm imagining it happening as they get rescued, like if Claire handed the baby to Kate by the helicopter or something...which still doesn't make a lot of sense...

Blue on Kate if she's taking care of Aaron does make sense, though...

The other thing I don't really buy about Kate's "he" being someone that controls her, is that Jack would have had more of a reaction to her mention of "him", I think. To a lesser degree the same could be said if she were talking about a new love interest too. But definitely, I don't see Jack just taking mention of her captor in his stride like that. Or Kate being so nonchalant about it, either. I'm going with baby, probably Aaron.

This bit involves the O6 Spoilers, so if you're unaware of them, don't read.

I'm also just thinking back to Des's Flash. Could what he saw be the moment in which Claire boards the Helicopter and hands over Aaron? Perhaps giving her her passport at the same time?

The conversation went :

Charlie : Right. So how's it happen this time? Come on, Des. You can tell me. I can take it.
Desmond : What I saw Charlie was...Claire and her baby getting into a helicopter. A helicopter that...that lifts off...leaves this Island.
Charlie : Are you sure?
Desmond : Aye.
Charlie : A rescue helicopter? On this beach? This island? That's what you saw? We're getting bloody rescued! I thought you were gonna tell me I was gonna die again!
Desmond : You are, Charlie.
Charlie : Wait. What?
Desmond : If you don't, none of it will happen. There won't be any rescue. I'm sorry, brother, but this time...this time you have to die.


So Claire and her baby getting into a helicopter, and then jumps to the fact that the Helicopter leaves the Island. No specifics about who gets rescued, etc.

And then later, more of the same :

Desmond : You're inside a hatch. It's um...a room full of equipment. There's a blinking yellow light and another switch. You flick the switch, light goes off, and then you drown.
Charlie : When?
Desmond : I don't know.
Charlie : You sure you saw Claire and Aaron get on that helicopter?
Desmond : Aye.
Charlie : So, before I drown...I just have to flip a switch.
Desmond : That's right.
Charlie : Where is it then?


What I'm just thinking is that IF this is the rescue helicopter that will take the 6 off the Island, and it doesn't look like Claire is in the 6, BUT we do know that there is 6 plus 1, 1 who for some reason isn't in the media's count of 6, then the question is :
WHY ELSE WOULD CLAIRE BE GETTING ON THAT HELICOPTER ?

I'm more and more convinced that this is it. Claire's not on some rescue list, and so she gets Kate to take back her baby. Without wanting to be sexist, Kate and Sun are the only women in the O6. Claire is probably still unaware that Jack is her half-brother . . . It actually makes a lot of sense.

And then it would all fit beautifully with Kate now being about Blue.



edit :

Dark has posted some guessing-game Spoiler from Auselio.

"Jaters will be aflutter when Kate shows romantic interest in future Jack, but it turns out there's another special person in her life already — someone *** *** ** *** *****, *** ****'* **** a ******."

It's bound to be "someone who was on the plane, but didn't have a ticket".
It's Aaron ! And The Sewing Kit is a winner. No way the Blue can be a coincidence.

The other thing I don't really buy about Kate's "he" being someone that controls her, is that Jack would have had more of a reaction to her mention of "him", I think. To a lesser degree the same could be said if she were talking about a new love interest too. But definitely, I don't see Jack just taking mention of her captor in his stride like that. Or Kate being so nonchalant about it, either. I'm going with baby, probably Aaron.


For whatever it's worth, Aaron makes sense from the VR Therapy point of view as well. Claire's problem has to do with giving away her baby. If she is there to re-experience her past trauma then she actually did give her baby away in real life. By giving Aaron to Kate, she has the opportunity to realize that she is doing it to give him a chance at a better life by escaping the island.

LS,
Yeah, as I've been saying for a while, we have to see Aaron being "raised by another" at some point for story purposes, and, like you say, it also fits the Lost mould in terms of the characters' emotional development.


I'm more convinced now than ever that The Sewing Kit Theory has been confirmed.
We know Claire was a Blue, like her half-brother, Jack, and never more so than since she had Aaron (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-364-222.html), who was, of course, always wrapped in Blue (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-364-808.html).
And then we see Kate in the FF (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-2128.html) in an almost identical shade of Blue, when Kate had always been about Orange in her FBs.
So why this turnaround, why is she now her opposite Colour? Because she is now protecting Aaron, and, I suspect, Aaron is protecting her.


And all of this idea was reached before the Spoilers came out which seem to confirm that Kate is indeed raising Aaron, for unknown reasons.

Just thought of another connection between the people that wear blue frequently and the people that are just starting to wear blue...

Somewhat lately, we've seen Jack and Desmond wearing blue shirts, kind of a vibrant, almost cobalt blue color in their shirts. Both men are currently thinking of others a lot and doing a lot of intense protection of other people (like you've said, Lucidity). They are very focused on the well-being of other people. Also, now that Claire has Aaron, she's been focusing on being a mother and realized that Aaron really depends on her for his well-being. Aaron is Claire's #1 focus - his well-being is her #1 goal.

Now, with Kate wearing blue in the FF, and the guessing of who her "He" is, well...it kind of matches with the idea that she is now taking care of someone, which, in turn, matches with the idea that He is Aaron...

I guess that I'm just agreeing with you, Lucidity, but I'm somewhat adding something - that the Blue Wearers are very focused on others, even more so than the well-being of themselves right now...

Is it January 31st, yet? It's getting close...

Junie,
Yeah, "Focus". That sort of takes us back to the talk early on that Jack has to be really determined (have faith?) to perform his Miracles. There were a lot of clues : his determination to save Sarah and Charlie; Ben's "I want you to want to".

But Kate in Blue because she's Protecting Aaron is a perfect example of our Blue = Health / Protection. And, like you say, also exactly the same tone of Blue that Des was wearing when he was trying to Protect Charlie. And also the exact same Blue as Juliet's eyes that time, when I think she was Protecting her and Kate from Smokey somehow. And now this girl on the Find815 ARG has bright Blue eyes photoshopped in as well.

I think Blue and Orange are beyong question right now, we just have to see how far the thing extends. Are we right in thinking there's a whole subplot in Lost involving all of these different Colours? Or is it just a little mechanism on the Writers part, using a couple of Colours, like they do on Smallville?

I've been binging on The Sewing Kit for hours now, and I'm up to Page 49. I'm not really sure exactly why I'm posting because I don't thing I have anything new to say that hasn't already been said, but first, L, awesome awesome thread. I am loving all of this. I come on 12 hours ago looking for a good thread on the Number 6 and instead I'm thinking about six colors (red, orange, blue, green, purple, pink) all morning long. Fun times ^_^

Two things I want to say/ask (though I may forget them; I'm dead tired and leaving soon):

1) I fully agree with earlier statements that redshirt and the red shoes in Flashes are definitely more about the terms in their use and not the colors, but it's the idea of their presence and the dialogue about them (Boone's Trekkie speech to Locke and "Bold color choice') that makes them so significant. So many red things in Lost. I never picked up on the red flowers in TCoL until this thread. Thank you.

2) If orange means luck/probability/danger, why is it such an integral part of Michael's Season 1 wardrobe when he is rarely in any sort of danger or improbable situation? I've also viewed him as much more of a Red candidate than Sawyer, although all your points on red dealing with perception and cons for characters is dead-on. You can make a case that Michael perceives what needs to be done: building a shower, how to rescue Jack and Charlie without hurting anyone else, building the raft to get rescue, chasing after Walt and deceiving his Lostmates. He was also an artist thereby perceiving images and putting them into reality. He also spoke to Walt about his love for New York City and how the flat iron building caused him to learn about 'perspective'. He may have a tough time reading other people I believe, but he can look at a situation and know what to do.

I've probably had hundreds of questions coming and going throughout my reading, but none held over time. Thank you for this thread and I can't wait to continue reading all of this during Season 4 (as well as guessing the fates of the Lostaways as things go on).

Also, would Lost's roster of the dead be considered 'greenshirts'?
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Thoughts as I go along:

Page 50, regarding the lack of red surrounding Henry Gale: Maybe the Others, or at least Ben, are aware (somewhat) of the effects of colors. This may be a large reason why they go around wearing drab colors through the jungle. Juliet and Pickett are exceptions, as well as many of those in Otherville, but maybe Ben is quite aware of the color = deception. Maybe the lack of red is part of his con? It's straw-grasping, sure, but if you also throw in that he may believe some islanders to have these special powers (through extensive research, of course), he may realize Sayid would instantly recognize that red means deception. Though, wearing orange... he'd still represent danger. It's curious and hard to fix to anything, but maybe there's an exception to some Others that we don't know about. I mean, I can't really remember Ben applying to any color schemes.

Hurley Wearing Red: If it was just the ping pong game, it could show that it's Hurley being deceptive at all since he's usually a very honest character. Because he rarely deceives, he becomes red with a small deception much like how Sawyer is rarely in red because he's always conning. Red might be used differently in the way blue and green are used when it comes to coding. Also, it could be because of Hurley's adaptivity to other colors that adds to he quick change into red for the briefest time.

"Two colors. Two sides. One is LIGHT, one is DARK."

What if there are only two sides still, but instead of Black and White like we've assumed, it's dark and light with the spectrum of colors and grays in the middle?

I was just playing Lost: The Untold while trying to explain the significance of '6' to a friend when in Kate's Black scenario, there's a point where you click on Jack and Sawyer as love interests. Sawyer disappears with a RED flash, Jack with a BLUE. Maybe I stand corrected on Sawyer not being Red. Hee.

I forget whether or not Lost: The Untold is official, but I'll post all colors I see as meaningful.

There are GRAY marks flying over the paper on the main screen.

Kate WHITE: RED bands around bills and IDs. A few clicks and there is a picture of a woman in a RED shirt with a RED ballon animal hat holding a baby in BLUE and WHITE. Another woman in ORANGE over BLUE with a baby in a RED cap with BLUE brim. Playing Audio is flashing RED.
Kate BLACK: BLUE rainmarks flying out of open 815 lockbox. PURPLE rainmarks over a BLUE Kate calling for Jack. BLUE rainmarks over darkened Fuselage. Jack disappears in BLUE, Sawyer disappears in RED. PURPLE rainmarks when Kate and Tom Brennan are in the car.

Sayid WHITE: A lot of BLACK, WHITE, and RED. The only thing of another color in the shot is the light on the radio which is BLUE. Nadia and Essam's pictures turn RED.
Sayid BLACK: GREEN bits of jungle with WHITE threads and footsteps over BLACK. WHITE and GREEN (or YELLOW?) threads to Sawyer who has a BLUE line behind him. WHITE rainmarks into a PURPLE Sawyer. I may have missed something before he turned to RED then faded to TURQUOISE. BLACK rainmarks up from a fallen body. RED and BLUE intertwine with WHITE into a CIA agent. A van in the background is spraying WHITE rainmarks. The bLUE light has a PURPLE and GREEN color appear around it every few seconds. More BLUE and RED/PINK/PURPLE in another WHITE thread.

Claire WHITE: Colors everywhere. There are little blocks scattered on the floor: REDs, ORANGEs, YELLOWs, MINT GREENs, DARK GREENs, LIGHT BLUEs, WHITEs, a few PINKs, BOLD BLUEs, and either BLACKs or DARK PURPLEs. There's also a GREEN and YELLOW pacifier and a BLUE pen. There's some RED under Claire's boyfriend's picture. The psychic flashback on The Devil card is very ORANGE. The blocks then spell out 'death.'
Claire BLACK: The court scene is very YELLOW/ORANGE. Red mrks appear on the adoption papers. Ethan appears in BLACK with WHITE rainmarks flying off him and he bleeds RED over the courtroom table until it turns RED. On the Death card, there is a man with stitched eyes and mouth in RED with BLACK rainmarks. On The Devil, it's a RED man. Malkin? There is another card that turns into the creepiest baby picture ever that is RED with no eyes (BLACK). Then Claire's hands appear with WHITE rainmarks falling into them. WHITE stars fall and cut her hands as well causing them to bleed. The phone rings, it's button is RED. After three phonec alls from Malkin, the mostly YELLOW over BLACK scene goes RED except for a YELLOW folder.

And Claire's scenario has officially creeped me out. http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/L/lost/main.html Link is there, keep going if you wish. John Locke, Charlie, and Jack are left, and Jack scares me most of all *shudder*.

Keep up the good work!

Narrim,
Thank you so much for the kind words and input. :thumbsup:

I'm going to go through your comments now and answer properly, but I just wanted to tell you first about the website, in case you haven't seen it already. It's a great way of catching up on everything quickly. Here's the link : The Sewing Kit (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Main%20Page.htm).

Like I say, I'm going to read your posts again and respond, but I just wanted to let you know about the site straight away.


* * * * *

Okay, here we go.

Narrim >
I fully agree with earlier statements that redshirt and the red shoes in Flashes are definitely more about the terms in their use and not the colors, but it's the idea of their presence and the dialogue about them (Boone's Trekkie speech to Locke and "Bold color choice') that makes them so significant. So many red things in Lost. I never picked up on the red flowers in TCoL until this thread. Thank you.


Yeah, I think the "Redshirts" comment, especially, could have been a clue that there are "shirts" in Lost. The other one that I loved was the build up to the S3 Finale when everyone was speculating about which Losties were going to die and Bernard in a bright Green shirt offers to stay behind for the ambush and Rose tells him to put on something darker. I'm probably deluding myself, but I wonder if that was a direct "shout-out" to this Thread and Colour Code idea.


If orange means luck/probability/danger, why is it such an integral part of Michael's Season 1 wardrobe when he is rarely in any sort of danger or improbable situation?


I had never thought of Michael as an Orange, but I've just been looking at it now and you're right. There is quite a bit in S1. I could argue that such and such scene was about Danger, etc., but I think, basically, a lot of the time the Colours aren't just about the scene but rather the person. The same happened with Kate - the handcuffs pop up and she's in Orange. I think it's not because she was IN Danger, only that she is DangerOUS, or at least Danger surrounds her. And in that sense it's quite easy to see why Michael might be Orange.

And yeah, "Perspective" is one of those words that always stood out for me too, even before Ben started speaking of it too.


Page 50, regarding the lack of red surrounding Henry Gale: Maybe the Others, or at least Ben, are aware (somewhat) of the effects of colors. This may be a large reason why they go around wearing drab colors through the jungle. Juliet and Pickett are exceptions, as well as many of those in Otherville, but maybe Ben is quite aware of the color = deception. Maybe the lack of red is part of his con? It's straw-grasping, sure, but if you also throw in that he may believe some islanders to have these special powers (through extensive research, of course), he may realize Sayid would instantly recognize that red means deception. Though, wearing orange... he'd still represent danger. It's curious and hard to fix to anything, but maybe there's an exception to some Others that we don't know about. I mean, I can't really remember Ben applying to any color schemes.


I know a lot of people never bought it, but for me, Ben popping up in Orange made perfect sense and more sense than Red would. Like I was saying before, Ben isn't in Danger, he's Dangerous. His presence wasn't about Deception, that was just his way of trying to escape. I know others think Red would have made more sense, but I liked the Orange, personally.

As for the Others in general, I love that in Othersville they wear what they like but then they step out into the jungle and it's almost like a military uniform of Beiges, and only those in command wear Colours. Alex, for example, is all about the Purple. Bea Klugh was Purple and Orange. Ben has been in Orange, Green and Pink, and possibly other colours too. I suspect the Colours are about Powers and we saw Ben as a young boy with a set of different Coloured pots, and I think that suggests Ben covers a lot of different Powers. In the same way Jack came back from Othersville and started wearing different Colours too (I think he had "changed his Perspective").


What if there are only two sides still, but instead of Black and White like we've assumed, it's dark and light with the spectrum of colors and grays in the middle?


I've been wondering if the different sides of our Coloured Dharma Wheel represent different sides of a battle - Red, Orange and Green on one side, Blue, Purple and Pink on the other.


I was just playing Lost: The Untold while trying to explain the significance of '6' to a friend when in Kate's Black scenario, there's a point where you click on Jack and Sawyer as love interests. Sawyer disappears with a RED flash, Jack with a BLUE. Maybe I stand corrected on Sawyer not being Red. Hee.


I had never even heard of "Untold" before, but that's very cool about Jack and Sawyer. According to Lostpedia it's "deuterocanon", whatever on Earth that means. I was just checking the site out now and I see what you mean about the Colour. It's everywhere. Just wish we knew if the Colour choices come from TPTB or not.

I'm a huge Untold fan - been told more times than I care to remember that it's content isn't canon, but I don't care, Claire's tarot cards are worth the visit alone, and I love the creepy unnerving tone - hello Narrim :smile: Thank you for the reminder and welcome aboard!

Luc, my kid came home from school with this, an explanation of the philosophy of thought employed in some recent drive or other, anyway, I did a search on it here and came up blank so : Edward de Bono’s ‘Six Thinking Hats’

The White Hat: calls for information known or needed. “The facts, just the facts.”

The Yellow Hat: symbolises brightness and optimism. Under this hat you explore the positives and probe for value and benefit. (Positive thinking)

The Black Hat: is judgement – the Devil’s Advocate or why something may not work. Spot the difficulties and dangers; where things might go wrong. (Critical thinking)

The Red Hat: signifies feelings, hunches and intuition. When using this hat you can express emotions and feelings and share fears, likes, dislikes, and hates. (Emotional thinking)

The Green Hat: focuses on creativity; the possibilities, alternatives, and new ideas. It’s an opportunity to express new concepts and new perceptions. (Creative thinking)

The Blue Hat: is used to manage the thinking process. It’s the control mechanism that ensures the Six Thinking Hats guide lines are observed. The Big Picture. (Meta thinking)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Thinking_Hats note the Red Hat = subjective = flashbacks may not be factual. :biggrin:

Thought you might enjoy his perspective on colour - especially Jack and Juliet in controlling escape-the-island blue and the 'lucky' yellow.

Locke the executioner is sporting judgemental black this year I hear... ;) take care. :bye:

Liplocked,
I'd never heard of such a thing. Very interesting. It doesn't match up too much with the meanings we're seeing in Lost (except Red being Intuition, where we've got Perception), but very interesting nonetheless. Thanks.

There is a massive, huge, readatyourownrisk Spoiler knocking about . . .

. . . which 100% confirms what I posted the other day. Kate is raising Aaron in the FFs and that's her "he". And I had already predicted it based on her Blueness in Looking Glass. So, either a massive coincidence, or we just got confirmation that Blue / Orange at least has meaning in Lost.

I've been going back and watching each season from the beginning before the new one begins. I've been a subscriber to The Sewing Kit, although I don't post often. I am currently watching "Homecoming" of Season 1 and just noticed Vincent's leash is red. Has anyone noticed this before? The reason I even bother to post something regarding this is because I have had a theory about Vincent, that he has been Smokey all along. He never seems to be around when Smokey is, or when other Smokey-ish (Kate's horse, Eko's brother) figures are around. In "Special", Vincent runs off and then the polar bear appears to attack Walt. Why would Smokey attack Walt as a polar bear? Well didn't that bring Walt and Michael closer together? Even if one would argue that it really was a polar bear, I still believe there is something up with Vincent... and that red leash just prooves it. Any thoughts?

ok yall is takin this to far...it was in one or two scenes man...this show is not based on the colors of string in the sewin kit...its a standard kind u can get at any CVS or wal mart...next thing u know u gon think the cloud formations are signs of whos gonna die next...

chaos,
I've been wondering about Vincent too. Everyone said about Vincent being Smokey from the beginning, but I never took it seriously, but those Red flowers seem to be there every time Smokey pops up, so the Red definitely forms a connection.

lyrikcha,
The Sewing Kit itself is just symbolic. If you had read the first post and not just the title you'd have worked that out for yourself. ;)

I don't see why Vincent the Polar Pear would be attacking Walt in Special. I agree that he definitely could be the monster/a monster. But that wouldn't explain how Vincent was around before the crash... even though i don't think we ever saw him and he was only mentioned by Walt and Michael... and Kate did touch that horse... and dead people do rise and leave bodies behind...

Our favorite yellow lab (Wally Bole?) is the security system, but I don't think he's Smokey in thinking that there are more than one. After all, there are 4+ Cereberus Vents, and Cereberus is that mythic three-headed dog...

Grah. How'd we go to Vincent in a colors thread? Does YELLOW lab mean anything?

Sun was wearing YELLOW when she talked to Michael and revealed she spoke English to camp, and Locke wore tannish-yellow when he made his big speech about how THEY'VE ATTACKED US, SABOTAGED US, ABDUCTED US, MURDERED US! Michael had been wearing GREEN shirt and BLUE jeans, and every other person (Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Sun's bikini and towel, Jin, Jack, Extras, Claire, Shannon... everyone but Charlie and Sayid) was wearing BLUE. ...In Translation, of course.

Narrim,
Hello, again. Did you check out the WebSite in the end? It really is the best way to follow all of this, actually SEEing the Colours. Link's in my Sig.

Anyways . . .
The Vincent idea would be that the dog existed before the Island and was on the plane, but died in the crash and Smokey took its shape in the same way it took Christian's or the horse's, from Memory. Perhaps the dog was a more convenient way of getting into camp and scanning everyone else's Memories?

But the Colour connection comes from the bright Red lead and collar they've shown us. Red also being a Colour we've seen associated with Smokey, through those flowers, particularly.

As for why the Polar Bear's attacking him and why Vincent / Smokey is always the one that leads him into trouble, I don't know. It's so hard to work out what Smokey wants.

And Yellow, that's still undecided in general. Personally, I think that Yellow and Orange are one in the same for the purposes of Lost, but others have suggested a separate meaning for it.

note[/FONT] the Red Hat = subjective = flashbacks may not be factual. :biggrin:

Abso-bloomin-lutely! Kind of!!

I reckon the flashbacks show a distorted version of the losties’ actual pasts. In other words, they’re grounded in truth but only show the “essence” of that truth - the actual details have been extremely well disguised as other (fake) situations and characters. Kind of like how a dream presents a distorted view of our actual thoughts, emotions and memories.Some people have been saying they’d rather see the show without the flashbacks but I reckon they’re actually the key to unlocking Lost.

Sorry Luc, back to colours ...

H x

Hildy >
Sorry Luc, back to colours ...


No, it's all good. We're always going off on tangent after tangent here and then coming full circle and finding something Colour-related in it all.
And you know I'm always happy to talk Memory ! ;)

Something else that has nothing to do with Colours, but I couldn't think where to post it . . .
(This is a mild Spoiler-comment from an ABC Exec about the S4 Poster)

In an interview Mike Benson said :

DN: Okay, a few more. Another fan had a question about the Lost Season 4 poster and particularly the reflection in the water; is that the skyline of Los Angeles?
MB: (smiles) It’s ‘a city.’


So, why " a city". Either it's somewhere specific that he can't name because it would give too much away, but where? Or, what I'm thinking, it's somehow connected to the Island, i.e. there used to be a city there, or something like that.

I've been saying from the beginning that those buildings don't look normal to me, so I'm thinking something futuristic and / or alien. Perhaps the Island IS the city, and the Hatches all form part of it somehow?

Here (http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R4-4RqPc45I/AAAAAAAARAk/r3xl3ZPfmFw/s1600-h/LOST_Y4_AdArt_Vert_Proof.jpg)'s a link to the very cool Poster.

A city of cylinders

That link doesn't seem to work, CN.

That link doesn't seem to work, CN.

Site is down will try tomorrow.

Has anyone put forth ideas yet about wearing stripes? I'm going through S1-2 and was interested to notice Walt in striped shirts a lot - here are some that I remember offhand:

His regular grey/yellow striped shirt on the island:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-172-225.html

For the bird/window incident in Special, also greys with a bit of red:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-172-463.html

Young Walt in Adrift in mostly blue with a bit of red/white:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-736-341.html

Plus the hyperventilating kid at the end of Confidence Man also had on blue with red/grey stripes: http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-70-768.html
(and in the CM rewind threat I also posted about weird smoke/mist going past him in a couple of shots around 32:50 on the dvd - but sadly no screen shots I've seen so far show it).

I wish I'd kept track, but when adults wear stripes, it seems like they're vertical, instead of horizontal like the two boys have. Kate has a white shirt with blue vertical stripes, and I'm pretty sure I've seen Jack and Ben in vertical stripes as well. Anyone with a better memory have more examples?

I love the ideas in this thread and have lurked here many a time, as being a synesthete myself makes me very colour-centric. :biggrin:

mmmlost >
I love the ideas in this thread and have lurked here many a time, as being a synesthete myself makes me very colour-centric. :biggrin:


Thanks. And I hope this isn't offensive, but that's cool, you being a synesthete. I say "offensive" because it must have its hindrances, apart from being "cool".
We spoke here some time back about some articles that said Synesthetes were more likely to have "special abilities", like Clairvoyance, etc. Any powers yourself? Shooting lasers from your eyes? Anything like that? :biggrin: Seriously though, any comments or experiences on the subject of Synaesthesia would be great. It really has been a major topic here over the months.

Regarding the stripes, we've said about it before, that you only ever seem to see children in stripes on Lost. There was also Emma or Zack, don't remember which, who had on stripes, I think. We've always said it might be about them being particularly "special". But the boy in Confidence Man had slipped by us. I wonder if there are any more examples. Or if there have been ANY adults in horizontal stripes?
I might add a little section about the stripes on the WebSite.

Well, welcome aboard. And I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on all of this. :thumbsup:

Ben's vertical stripes was something I made a big deal off a ways back (the only time I ever saw him in horizontal ones he was pretending to be Henry Gale pretending to be a sea billy) but the kids in stripes is something I missed.

Long story short - I equated Ben's stripes to prison bars (he has stripy curtains in his kitchen) but look forward to hearing any other interpretations.

New Scientist has printed some facinating articals on synesthesia in recent years mmmlost. :smile: I didn't appreciate untill reading them that the condition manifist itself in so many ways. If it isn't hidiously rude; do you associate numbers with smells or the like?

Pleasure to learn a little about you btw.

Ben was in horizontal stripes then, LL?
When was that? That would actually be very interesting, with Ben obviously being very "special" himself.

Pala ferry dock - the 'stripes' are almost the same colour as the rest of the garment (a round necked long sleeved T affair) and may only appear as a result of the weave.

Oh, yeah, here he is (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1085-1318.html).
I guess that could be taken either way : it's striped; or it's not, because, like you say, the garment is basically one Colour.
Either way, it still gels with the possibility that the stripes mean something.

Another one for our list of horizontal stripes.

Abso-bloomin-lutely! Kind of!!

I reckon the flashbacks show a distorted version of the losties’ actual pasts. In other words, they’re grounded in truth but only show the “essence” of that truth - the actual details have been extremely well disguised as other (fake) situations and characters. Kind of like how a dream presents a distorted view of our actual thoughts, emotions and memories.Some people have been saying they’d rather see the show without the flashbacks but I reckon they’re actually the key to unlocking Lost.

Sorry Luc, back to colours ...

H x


Over the weekend a local radio station played part of an interview with JJ. During the interview he was asked about the flashbacks. He said (paraphrased) that the flashbacks were in the show to show us the Losties' pasts, and so we would know some of the events that have shaped our Losties into who they are today.

No way that is a direct quote. No idea when the interview occured. JJ did mention the flashforward in the interview, so the interview had to be semi-recent.

Anyway, he seemed to indicate that the flashbacks are accurate representations of events that have happened to our Losties. He really did not SEEM deceptive or cryptic in any way.

Hey Luc - you’ll be pleased to see that I’m sticking to the colour topic this time (!!!)

Does anyone have an HD tv - or have better eyesight than me! Because something is really bugging me.

I was re-watching the pilot episode again last night - bascially to check how many people were in the cockpit when Jack & co went in search of the transceiver (there should’ve been three people in there - pilot, co-pilot and flight engineer. Weird). Anyway, another thing struck me which could add strength to (or completely scupper!) my theory that Jack could’ve been the missing member of the flight crew and was actually flying the darn plane when it crashed on the island.

Can someone confirm that Jack’s suit in those opening scenes is black - because it looked like navy smeared with dirt to me. In which case, it could’ve been a makeshift pilot’s uniform.

Here’s hoping one of you will be able to put me out of my misery or make me very, very excited!

H x

PS ...

Has anyone managed to work out which city could be represented in that skyline on the S4 poster yet? Looks like either New York or even possibly Miami to me. If it is Miami, it could explain Sawyer’s comment about wearing pink back in the 80s. And it could tie in with Stephen King’s new book, Duma Key - Dharma Key, anyone?! - which is set in the Florida Keys.
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Over the weekend a local radio station played part of an interview with JJ. During the interview he was asked about the flashbacks. He said (paraphrased) that the flashbacks were in the show to show us the Losties' pasts, and so we would know some of the events that have shaped our Losties into who they are today.

No way that is a direct quote. No idea when the interview occured. JJ did mention the flashforward in the interview, so the interview had to be semi-recent.

Anyway, he seemed to indicate that the flashbacks are accurate representations of events that have happened to our Losties. He really did not SEEM deceptive or cryptic in any way.

Hi RTHensley - I’m not denying that the flashbacks show the losties’ pasts. Rather, I’m trying to suggest that they show a disguised version of those pasts. So JJ's comments are still valid.

H x

Hildy, I can check but I think it was dark blue.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=13696&fullsize=1

It's funny, it looks Blue in some shots but darker in others. But I've always thought Black made most sense, seeing as he said he was wearing the suit he'd be wearing to the funeral. Also I've got the McFarlane figure of Jack (sat on my computer, staring at me as we speak - by the way, Jack says Hi and that if we can't live together we're going to die alone. :cool: ) and they're fairly accurately made, I think, and his suit is Black and his tie, dark Blue, with a groovy, little criss-cross pattern on it.

Interesting possibility, Hildy.

And nice to see the "old faces" round here, rt and Sam.

Regarding the Spoiler, Hildy. (It's only a little Spoiler about the S4 Poster) . . .

Did you see my post from yesterday ?

In an interview Mike Benson said :

Quote:
DN: Okay, a few more. Another fan had a question about the Lost Season 4 poster and particularly the reflection in the water; is that the skyline of Los Angeles?
MB: (smiles) It’s ‘a city.’

So, why " a city". Either it's somewhere specific that he can't name because it would give too much away, but where? Or, what I'm thinking, it's somehow connected to the Island, i.e. there used to be a city there, or something like that.

I've been saying from the beginning that those buildings don't look normal to me, so I'm thinking something futuristic and / or alien. Perhaps the Island IS the city, and the Hatches all form part of it somehow?

Here (http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R4-4RqPc45I/AAAAAAAARAk/r3xl3ZPfmFw/s1600-h/LOST_Y4_AdArt_Vert_Proof.jpg)'s a link to the very cool Poster.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=36171&fullsize=1

Never struck me as a true black, still looks very dark blue to me, but the lights they use for filming will wash out black.

Re the S4 poster, Hildy I favour Miami myself - it may tie with sharp-practising Juliet or Kevin's fugitive retrival (both if she's the body snatcher I suspected her of being) but in any case is handily located for the Atlantic. my current leader for the Island's location (untill I get stuck proper into Find 815) and beloved by 'lost city' theorists everywhere.

It's funny, it looks Blue in some shots but darker in others. But I've always thought Black made most sense, seeing as he said he was wearing the suit he'd be wearing to the funeral. Also I've got the McFarlane figure of Jack (sat on my computer, staring at me as we speak - by the way, Jack says Hi and that if we can't live together we're going to die alone. :cool: ) and they're fairly accurately made, I think, and his suit is Black and his tie, dark Blue, with a groovy, little criss-cross pattern on it.]


Hey Luc - say hi to Jack for me!

Yeah, I thought that as well - blue in some shots, black in others - so I'm not losing my mind here! Although SamG’s right about how the lighting on the show affects how we see colours - Charlie’s sweatshirt looks blue in some jungle scenes in the pilot, but is definately faded black on the beach. Hmmm ...

I dunno, I could be off-track here but it’s definately an interesting possibility that Jack was the missing member of the flight crew. And I agree that it’s weird the doc would be wearing a navy suit if he was intending to head straight to the funeral ... unless it’s a false implanted memory intended to explain why he ended up on the island in the first place.

Now onto the S4 poster ...



Luc:
I have to say I didn’t think the buildings looked particularly futuristic to me but the screencap didn’t come up that clearly on my decrepit computer so I could be wrong. Maybe it’s just a case of their being distorted in the rippling waters? And I think you’re right to suppose it could give too much away if they told us which “City” it was right away - which makes all the more intriguing!

Liplocked:
Yup - it could be Miami, couldn’t it? It definately reminded me of the view as you drive into town from the airport. The skyscrapery buildings look like the financial district, and the more unusual-shaped towery building kind of reminded me of a church (I think!) that’s downtown near the big sports arena - in fact, maybe Juliet’s comment to Jack that the Hydra had held dolphins as well as sharks was a nod to the Miami Dolphins who play there. (The “sharks” mention kind of remind me of the Sharks and Jets in West Side Story - I still reckon this is partly to do with two warring families just like in WSS and Romeo & Juliet on which it was based).

In addition to the Miami/Florida links we’ve both already mentioned, don’t forget that Sawyer was involved in a Tampa job - which seems to link him to Kevin since the cop was working on papers related to a Tampa case when drugged by Kate.

Plus we’ve had a few key mentions of orange/juice which could tie in with Florida’s famous fruit - Kate’s “juice” on the plane (always loved the sneering way Marshall said the word!); the drugged juice Alpert gave Juliet; Locke’s orange peel Godfather parody; and what looked like the remainder of a vodka and orange in Jack’s glass before Cindy gave him a refill.

And if we should be looking for something connected with Florida, it could be relevant that we’ve got a character called Locke, and Jack spent most of S1 with a key around his neck - ie. both are pointing to the Florida Keys? Which could tie in with Locke’s comments about Hemingway being jealous of Dostoyevsky, since I’m sure Hemingway had links with Key West.

But before we all get too excited, I’ve also found tons of references to San Francisco on the show so it seems possible to draw just about any conclusion you want from Lost!

...it seems possible to draw just about any conclusion you want from Lost!

Absolutly! don't forget oranges of the Clockwork kind http://granitegrok.com/pix/got_milk.jpg their facination for philosophers and where you might end up thinking too long on Hemmingway, jelousy and paranoia...

I got Papa Doc!

*watches Jack warily* :ermm:

Hildy,
Regarding Jack as part of the flight crew, a little thought just came to me. That could be the significance to his name, Shepherding the people to the Island.

As for the S4 Poster cityscape . . .

I'm still going with "futuristic", so there ! :p :biggrin:
Seriously, though, if you look at the full quality one, without the ripples, those buildings have got a funny shape.

And I can't think why any one "normal" city would be so significant that they'd only say it was "a city".

Is it perhaps the Emerald City? metaphore for commerce, and a place entered only by passing the Wizard of Oz 'the gatekeeper' - played by the same actor as the titular role - sounds like a man a 'Locke' might have dealings with to me.

What's this about Jack being on the flightcrew?

*Goes back to read some of the previous pages in this thread*

Junie,
That's an idea of Hildy's. I don't know if she has posted the thinking behind the theory anywhere, but I find it an interesting possibility. He did take some flying lessons, after all.
The question raised here was : Is his suit from the Pilot Ep Black or dark Blue ?

Liplocked,
And that would be an interesting possibility too. I really think it's not going to be somewhere "normal".

The 'propellers' on Jack's tie have always pointed toward his being Oceanic for me - but the real hook was his odd conversation with Cindy: she hands him booze, he quips she's breaking Federal Aviation Administration rules... why?

But I'm going over very old ground here and even passed it off as nothing myself in recent months.

Still... he can fly. I've said so since the pilot episode and Sawyer and Kate building a runway has done nothing to change my mind. Where I have changed my mind is this:

I think it more probable now, that his ability will have more to do with his return to the Island than his escaping it.

Hi again and thanks for the welcome. In a case of be-careful-what-you-put-out-into-the-universe, right after I posted about the kids wearing horizontal stripes and the adults wearing vertical, I watched Everybody Hates Hugo and there he was in the record shop in a horizontal striped tshirt, very similar to the design that Walt wears, but this time mostly blue: http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-748-358.html
interesting.....Will try to get a list of stripes going in the coming weeks as I continue my rewind.

Thanks. And I hope this isn't offensive, but that's cool, you being a synesthete. I say "offensive" because it must have its hindrances, apart from being "cool".

New Scientist has printed some facinating articals on synesthesia in recent years mmmlost. :smile: I didn't appreciate untill reading them that the condition manifist itself in so many ways. If it isn't hidiously rude; do you associate numbers with smells or the like?

Pleasure to learn a little about you btw.

As far as my synesthesia goes, I don't consider asking about it rude aTall, but thanks for being polite. ;) But it can often be a bit difficult to fully explain, as you might imagine... Mine isn't as all-encompassing or as...'intrusive' or 'demanding' (hard to choose words to describe it) as some people's can be, as the big thing with me for as long as I can remember is that numbers and letters have always been specific colo(u)rs. For example, 'u' is grey/silver so altho I'm used to Brit spellings from working and traveling abroad, 'colours' just isn't as visually pleasing as 'colors', and 'synaesthesia' is too glaring cause the yellow of the 'a' clashes with the reddish/orange-ish/brick of the 'e', if that makes sense? I do remember being ridiculed about it at school a few times when I was young, and so I think I tried to ignore it and forget about it for a long time because I realized ('realised' doesn't have the 'ZING'/crispness/metallic-ness without the 'z') it made people uncomfortable and I felt quite weird about being the only only one who seemed to experience things that way . Then years later I randomly found a book about it when I was at uni and nearly burst into tears when I realised that there were other people out there like me and that I wasn't such a freak afterall! :rolleyes:

I get into reading the research every now and again, but to be honest, it becomes a bit overwhelming somehow...and in my own stubborn way, I've always thought one day I'd really spend some time to concentrate and see how much sensory mixing I really do have besides just the colored numbers/letters (i.e. hearing smells, tasting sounds, etc.). I think I do, but I spent so many years ignoring it that it's a definitely a process to get back in touch with it - kind of like learning to meditate, in a way. And I've always felt like if I read the research and interviews with other synesthetes first, I might be 'led on' with ideas before I've fully investigated my own with no interference. Hope that made sense.

We spoke here some time back about some articles that said Synesthetes were more likely to have "special abilities", like Clairvoyance, etc. Any powers yourself? Shooting lasers from your eyes? Anything like that? :biggrin: Seriously though, any comments or experiences on the subject of Synaesthesia would be great. It really has been a major topic here over the months.

Well, welcome aboard. And I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on all of this.

Laser eyes - ahhh, all the times I could've used laser eyes in my life..... LOL, no special powers that I've figured out yet, though through the years I've had more than a few weird coincidences/ESP-ish moments.. I think I'm often a bit more sensitive and empathetic than the average bear, which may be part of it (I'm also a Pisces, so I'm a double-whammy that way). I'd kill to be able to conjure up a pizza and a nice cab sav when I click my heels together, though!

I didn't realize it was such a hot topic here - I'll have to hit the archives at some point. Thanks for letting me babble on! :biggrin:

Luc - Will def try and get a clearer look at the S4 poster so I can see what you’re talking about here, babe!

Liplocked - I’d better spoiler this seeing as its about that poster again ...

You mention it could be “Emerald City”. Hmmm. I was watching an old episode of Frasier last night, and he refers to Seattle as “the emerald city”. Not being familiar with the Seattle (perhaps one of you guys is!), I wasn’t sure whether he was talking metaphorically or whether it’s a nickname given to the city, like New York is known as The Big Apple.

Anyway, this could tie in with your suggestion that the cityscape is a metaphor for commerce since Starbucks originated in Seattle, and many people tend to view the company as one of the main culprits responsible for the mass corporatisation of society, where every city becomes a banal copy of others with its identical chainstores and brand coffee bars. (In fact, I tend to refer to this as the “Starbuckification of society!). And we’ve had two losties mention their yearning for a coffee bar on the island (Jack and Charlie, in S1 if memory serves me right).

Plus, continuing my theory that flashbacks are a metaphorical or heavily-disguised representation of what actually happened in the losties’ pasts, it’s possible that Hurley’s cursed lottery millions could actually relate to some other kind of cursed funding which led to his current predicament. I still wonder if this is about some kind of research facility where things went wrong and the original “noble” intentions became dangerously subverted after it received military and/or governmental funding. It is just a theory though!



Juniebun - sorry if I just seemed to toss that “Jack was the pilot” theory out there, but I kind of outlined it a few months back over on my Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing thread. But here’s how I came to that conclusion, and why I’ve brought it up again here ...

I always wondered where Jack had been headed when he rose from his seat on the plane - the cockpit?! Plus that suit and tie did look like it could be a makeshift pilots uniform - hence the query as to whether it was navy or black, since if it was navy then it was unlikely funeral attire. Plus I personally think that navy suits are rather naff - Brit word meaning v ery uncool! - and Jack’s flashback wardrobe has otherwise been rather stylish. So the only excuse for wearing such an ensemble would be if it was meant to be some kind of uniform. Even if it was bl**dy Armani!

And we still don’t know why Jack tossed in that “few flying lessons” line back in the pilot episode - it has to be relevant somewhere along the line, surely? Also, finally, I realised this week that there probably should’ve been three people in that cockpit when Jack & Co went to retrieve the transceiver, but there were only two - the person who’s body tumbled out when Jack managed to get the door open, and the pilot. Which means we’re missing a vital member of the flight crew.

And I’m intrigued by LipLocked’s very valid comment about Jack’s odd quip to Cindy concerning Federal Aviation Administration rules. Wouldn’t most people say something like “And I suppose this breaks some stupid rule” rather than being that specific?

I admit we (OK, I!) could just be reading into this too much but I wouldn’t be surprised if Jack did turn out to be the missing member of the flight crew.

"Plus that suit and tie did look like it could be a makeshift pilots uniform"

Quick question. If Jack was a member of the flight crew, why would he have a "makeshift" uniform?

Wouldn't he be wearing the standard uniform?
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...it seems possible to draw just about any conclusion you want from Lost!

I LOVE that quote. It ties into my beliefs about the show. Don't worry Luc, I will not go into them again.:)


The poster:

I guess I should spoiler font all of this.



The poster could be interpreted in several different ways depending on your personal beliefs about the show.

(1) Maybe it is just forshadowing the fact that possibly parts of the show will now occur in "civilization", and parts of the show will still occur on the island.

(2) Maybe it is pointing to the fact that the island and "civilization" are somehow linked. Events on the island affect things off the island. (This should be really popular with several theories.)

(3) I know someone mentioned the building looking futuristic. If time travel is part of your personal beliefs, then this possibility will appeal to you.

(4) Maybe the poster tells us that in the future the island will be an important civilization.

(5) Maybe it is telling us that that in the island's past an important civilization was there.

(6) Maybe someone in the art department thought it would be a cool poster.

Quick question. If Jack was a member of the flight crew, why would he have a "makeshift" uniform?]

Darnit, that’s a good question, RTHensley! Because he was only posing as a member of the airline crew, he wasn’t really a full-time pilot for Oceanic. Now whether this would mean he hi-jacked the plane to get it to the island, or the actual pilot helped him is another matter entirely. Any suggestions?! Either way, I still reckon those muddy handprints on Jack’s t-shirt after that mad dash from Smokey and the nose-section fuselage belonged to the pilot.

B.t.w absolutely lurve your analysis of S4 poster (my bet is No.6!).

H x

Hildy,

While "The Big Apple" is more universally recognized as New York City, Seattle does indeed have the nickname "The Emerald City". It is a green, wooded place sitting between mountains, lakes and a major inlet from the Pacific Ocean, called Puget Sound. It is also recognized for the occasional view of Mt. Rainier (a nearly 4,400 M dormant volcano).

Boeing, Starbucks, and Microsoft (headquartered in a suburb of Seattle) are the city's big corporate claims to fame.

ETA: Portland is about 2.5 to 3 hrs south, by car.

Intrigued by Hildy's suggestion that Jack might have been part of 815's flightcrew, I hunted down a good pic of the Pilot this morning, and in that deleted scene where he talks to Claire you get a good view of his tie and there's no pattern at all, unlike Jack's.

However, something else did occur to me. I don't know if anyone else is going to see what I mean, but it suddenly hit me that the first shot (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-0.html) of Ep 1 and the last shot (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-0.html) are quite similar. Now, they could have made them a lot more similar if they had meant to, of course. And given the fact that Jack MET the Pilot, I have no idea what it might mean, but it struck me as strangely circular. Maybe in a future iteration Jack does fly everyone back to the Island and this time he's the one that ends up in the tree ?
I don't know what to think, or even whether there's anything there to think about anyway, but it got me wondering.

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Just looking back through the Thread and realised I didn't respond to mmmlost's post. I will do later, okay.

Hildy,

While "The Big Apple" is more universally recognized as New York City, Seattle does indeed have the nickname "The Emerald City". It is a green, wooded place sitting between mountains, lakes and a major inlet from the Pacific Ocean, called Puget Sound. It is also recognized for the occasional view of Mt. Rainier (a nearly 4,400 M dormant volcano).

Boeing, Starbucks, and Microsoft (headquartered in a suburb of Seattle) are the city's big corporate claims to fame.

ETA: Portland is about 2.5 to 3 hrs south, by car.

VERY interesting. Thanks, HV!

Something's just struck me about this new Seattle/Emerald City thang. I mentioned previously that I stumbled across the city
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Oops, something went wrong there! Let's try again ...

Me again! Something just struck me about this new Seattle/Emerald City thang. I mentioned previously that I stumbled across the city’s nickname in an episode of Frasier - which is about a psychiatrist. Seems a bit of a coincidence given Hurley’s Santa Rosa experiences.
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Just been reading a thread started up by Fuselage newbie, Simone5p, called FLOWER POWER and THE COLOUR RED. Apparently, DeGroot is an anagram of “go to red”. Cool, eh?!

Jack's tie suggests propellers rather than accuratly looking like them. The pattern is more like kids 'windmills' - pinwheels in the US I think...

...maybe Jack is attacking imaginary ememies in the Others - well intended as Don Quixote but as crazed as him too?

But if you want to go with he is flight crew... he's in his civvies, off duty - but on board; hence his queer conversation with Cinders.

But I stopped by this morning to talk Seattle - anyone who ever lived there would get good at predicting rail I'll bet ;) it's ALWAYS going to start raining in a minute :rolleyes: .

mmmlost >
As far as my synesthesia goes, I don't consider asking about it rude aTall, but thanks for being polite. ;) But it can often be a bit difficult to fully explain, as you might imagine... Mine isn't as all-encompassing or as...'intrusive' or 'demanding' (hard to choose words to describe it) as some people's can be, as the big thing with me for as long as I can remember is that numbers and letters have always been specific colo(u)rs. For example, 'u' is grey/silver so altho I'm used to Brit spellings from working and traveling abroad, 'colours' just isn't as visually pleasing as 'colors', and 'synaesthesia' is too glaring cause the yellow of the 'a' clashes with the reddish/orange-ish/brick of the 'e', if that makes sense? I do remember being ridiculed about it at school a few times when I was young, and so I think I tried to ignore it and forget about it for a long time because I realized ('realised' doesn't have the 'ZING'/crispness/metallic-ness without the 'z') it made people uncomfortable and I felt quite weird about being the only only one who seemed to experience things that way . Then years later I randomly found a book about it when I was at uni and nearly burst into tears when I realised that there were other people out there like me and that I wasn't such a freak afterall! :rolleyes:


What a cool example : ColoUr not being as nice as Color ! Would I be right in assuming there's no common colour-association among Synesthetes? Certain letters tending to be associated with the same colour among most synesthetes, I mean. It's just that, and I am aware how childish this is, I was just wondering what Colour the Lost Numbers look to you.


Laser eyes - ahhh, all the times I could've used laser eyes in my life..... LOL, no special powers that I've figured out yet, though through the years I've had more than a few weird coincidences/ESP-ish moments.. I think I'm often a bit more sensitive and empathetic than the average bear, which may be part of it (I'm also a Pisces, so I'm a double-whammy that way). I'd kill to be able to conjure up a pizza and a nice cab sav when I click my heels together, though!


Well, there you go. "ESP-ish moments" fits what I've read. You said, after all, that your Synaesthesia was a milder form, so that's probably why you're yet to develop the laserbeams from the eyes thing !


I didn't realize it was such a hot topic here - I'll have to hit the archives at some point. Thanks for letting me babble on! :biggrin:


Oh yeah. Synaesthesia has been big here particularly, but it has come up on quite a few different Threads. Cinamin started one on it too : Synesthesia a clue from O'Keefe Painting? (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=39901) And it's even got its very own section (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Synaesthesia.htm) on the Sewing Kit WebSite.

And thank you so much for the information. "Babble" as much as you like - it was fascinating. And hey, we've got our very own Synesthete posting here now. :cool:



And one of those little things that might be a huge clue or might mean nothing . . .
A new poster, simone5p, has started a Thread ("FLOWER POWER and THE COLOR RED (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=86870)") and mentions the fact that in some of those billboards advertising Oceanic the Colours have been changed. Seemed interesting.

Yeah - I was looking at Oceanic's poster on the back of LOST magazine - cityscape with cutting edge skyscrapers sat on the water's edge ...and a red sailed junk in the foreground suggesting (like the beautiful employee) that it's in the East.

<-- has been drooling over Dubai's and UAE's skyscrapers - 'other worldly' and 'futuristic' are already here.

I wonder if the skyline on the S4 Poster corresponds with one of the cities in the Oceanic campaign. I still suspect it's going to be something futuristic, but one of the Oceanic destinations would make sense too.

Hey Luc - it’s probably just a coincidence but the links to your other threads reminded me of Jack’s insistence that Kate used “Standard Black” thread, and I wondered if it could somehow tie in with HENRY Gale + James “Sawyer” FORD - ie. there’s a famous quote by Henry Ford about his Model T Ford, quipping that the vehicle was available in “Any colour as long as it’s black.”

Still on the car theme - I’m wondering whether Nikki’s Exposé character called Corvette could tie in with an obscure late-70s movie called Corvette Summer which starred Star War’s Mark Hamill. Highly possible seeing as Exposé’s Mr LaShade was played by another Star Wars alumni, Billy Dee Williams.

I've always felt like I had a big reveal on the tip of my tongue with "Ford". There's something about that time when they called Kate and Sawyer, "Ford" and "Austen". It sounded like something I ought to remember from History class or something.

The thing it made me think was that all of their names were taken from one common thing, suggesting they're clones, or whatever.

I've always felt like I had a big reveal on the tip of my tongue with "Ford". There's something about that time when they called Kate and Sawyer, "Ford" and "Austen". It sounded like something I ought to remember from History class or something.

The thing it made me think was that all of their names were taken from one common thing, suggesting they're clones, or whatever.

Not necessarily clones but there is a definite cowboy theme surrounding them. James Ford (Jesse James, Robert Ford), Cassidy (Butch Cassidy), the Marshal and Clementine. Austen is similar to Austin Texas. Kate wore a "Cowboy Up" hat, Sawyer used that term twice. And then there is Kate's horse.

Did someone say: Star Wars Wookie prisoner trick? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endor

I found 'Endor' in a Bible guide and have been looking for somewhere to mention it - the book of Samual also features Jonathan & David making me think of Locke and Des.

Funny.

I thought the theme was "cars".

Ford Automobiles and Austin Automobiles.

So if anyone's described as 'soft up top' we can count that too? :angel:

Wow, I had no idea "Endor" had popped up in so many different places. The Tolkien one's pretty cool too.


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Not necessarily clones but there is a definite cowboy theme surrounding them. James Ford (Jesse James, Robert Ford), Cassidy (Butch Cassidy), the Marshal and Clementine. Austen is similar to Austin Texas. Kate wore a "Cowboy Up" hat, Sawyer used that term twice. And then there is Kate's horse.


That all makes a lot of sense, LS.

Not necessarily clones but there is a definite cowboy theme surrounding them. James Ford (Jesse James, Robert Ford), Cassidy (Butch Cassidy), the Marshal and Clementine. Austen is similar to Austin Texas. Kate wore a "Cowboy Up" hat, Sawyer used that term twice. And then there is Kate's horse.

Good point, LostSanity. I wonder if James Ford’s name could be a nod to John Ford’s The Searchers. It’s an incredibly famous movie starring John Wayne (the ultimte movie cowboy?), and has an iconic final shot of him in a doorway staring out at the vast prairie expanses. It’s about the search to rescue a young American girl (Nathalie Wood) who has been abducted by a tribe of Indians. Which kind of reminds me of Alex getting abducted by The Others.

By the way, this cowboy-John Ford-John Wayne parallel is one reason why I wonder if Sawyer’s real name could be John. I stumbled across a Damon quote on Lostpedia this week in which he says all the names have been “assigned” for a reason, and “yes, that is a clue”. Which makes me think it’s possible that many (if not all) the losties currently have psuedonyms.
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Funny.

I thought the theme was "cars".

Ford Automobiles and Austin Automobiles.

Cool! Wonder if it's relevant that Fords are American and Austins are British.

Wow, Hildy. "Assigned names", that reeks of Memory Swapping / Cloning / Something Cool. Have you got a link ?

I've been waiting for someone to post because I wanted to mention something (I don't like editing / double-posting. :redface: ).

There's a new S4 Promo being shown in New Zealand, and I don't think there's anything Spoilery about it, but to follow the rules . . .

. . . there are loads of weird Red screens cut into the vid. The first one in particular has a very strange pattern to it if you catch it on Pause. Here's the link. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-MhKlwh-28) I really think it's telling us that something about the S4 set-up is what we've been seeing as Red all this time. It could be that we were right all along and it's just about Deception. Or maybe, what has been discussed recently, it's more connected to Smokey. Maybe that's what they're after or Smokey IS the Island, and so both are represented by Red. That sort of makes sense, what with all the Island's flowers being Red.

According to the Ministry of Truth - if it's red on the map: it's Oceanic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania_(Nineteen_Eighty-Four

ETA: :fear3: eeep! they're on to me - I've had me link knobbled.

*is dragged away to the Ministry of :heart:*

Here you go, LL.
Oceania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania_%281984%29) and the Map (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1984_fictious_world_map2.png).

Wow, I never thought about the significance of the colors in this show but clearly as you have pointed out there is something to it. I guess I have a lot of catching up to do before I get a hang of this.

Thank you for the awesome website (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Main%20Page.htm) Lucidity.

And thank you for the kind words, Warne.

The WebSite (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Main%20Page.htm) is the best way of catching up and seeing what we're talking about here. Just about everything that has come up here is summarised there.

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Oops : "awesome website" means you've already seen the WebSite. :redface:
I get so used to saying that to everyone I sort of do it without thinking.

Wow, Hildy. "Assigned names", that reeks of Memory Swapping / Cloning / Something Cool. Have you got a link ?

I've been waiting for someone to post because I wanted to mention something (I don't like editing / double-posting. :redface: ).

There's a new S4 Promo being shown in New Zealand, and I don't think there's anything Spoilery about it, but to follow the rules . . .

. . . there are loads of weird Red screens cut into the vid. The first one in particular has a very strange pattern to it if you catch it on Pause. Here's the link. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-MhKlwh-28) I really think it's telling us that something about the S4 set-up is what we've been seeing as Red all this time. It could be that we were right all along and it's just about Deception. Or maybe, what has been discussed recently, it's more connected to Smokey. Maybe that's what they're after or Smokey IS the Island, and so both are represented by Red. That sort of makes sense, what with all the Island's flowers being Red.



Thought that’d whet your appetite, Luc!

The actual quote from Damon was: “CHARACTER NAMES ON THE SHOW ARE NOT ASSIGNED WITHOUT A REASON. AND YES, THAT IS A CLUE.”

I found it on Lostpedia’s Season 4 spoilers page (so enter at your own risk!), but it was taken from an interview with Damon which appeared in Fame & Fortune last August and is spoiler free, as far as I can judge. Links to both below ...

SPOILER VERSION:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_4/spoilers#8-24-07:_Fame_.26_Fortune

SPOILER-FREE VERSION:
http://www.bankrate.com/rss_trk/news/investing/20070804_fame_fortune_damon_lindelof_a2.asp

Whilst I concede it’s possible Damon was simply saying that the writers had chosen characters’ names for certain reasons, it’s his use of the word “assigned” followed by the “yes that is a clue” that had warning bells ringing for me. Because it definately seems to imply that he’s actually talking about how the names were chosen within the story itself.

I definately think this suggests that the losties aren’t the people they think they are, and that they’ve been “assigned” new personas as some kind of disguise. Although this still leaves the question as to whether they willingly accepted or were forcibly given the new identities - I reckon it’s possibly a mixture of both seeing as it’s quite a large diverse group.

B.t.w further down that spoilers page on lostpedia, there’s another quote about flashbacks which is VERY interesting and could tie in with my theory that the F/Bs are only a disguised or distorted version of what really happened to everyone previously, and that they were ALL previously connected much closer than they (now) realise. But again, it’s taken from a spoiler page (and sourced from a VERY spoilery website) so you’ve been warned.

Now back to colours and something which could tie in with that last red-tinged spoiler of yours. I can’t remember if I posted this snippet of information before, but a while back I was watching a short TCM documentary about make-up in the movies. Rick Baker was discussing the 30s version of “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde”, starring Frederick March. It’s very famous because his character apparently changes from good to bad in front of our very eyes - in one continual shot, without the use of editing. The transformation is very freaky and has to be seen to be believed, actually, because he’s so handsome beforehand and so gruesome in the “after”. Baker then explained how they’d created this stunning piece of early movie magic ...

March’s “bad” make up was done in shades of green and the transformation scene starts with it shot using green lighting - because both were green, the make-up didn’t show up as looking weird on March’s “good” character since the movie is shot in black&white. When they wanted to “magically” turn the good doctor into evil Mr Hyde, they gradually switched from a green light to a red light - the green “evil” make-up then showed up in the different light, and March appeared to turn from good to evil in front of our very eyes. Cool, eh?!
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Continuing our discussion about the S4 poster ...

and still on potential MIAMI connections:

I never got into the whole Lost Experience thang, but didn’t it involve Hanso’s Life Extension project and Joop, the world’s oldest orangutang? Apparently, the world’s oldest orangutang has just died - at MIAMI zoo!

Also, remember when Sawyer, Michael and Jin were on the raft? Sawyer mused why no-one had turned the island into an exlusive resort and later sang Bob Marley’s Redemption Song. OK - ISLAND Records represented Bob Marley. And company founder Chris Blackwell is now involved in Island Outposts, a group of very exclusive resorts in the Bahamas which includes Compass Point. Which could tie in with Jack’s compass-like tattoo, and the rasta-coloured logo on his t-shirt in his pre-wedding flashback with Mark Silverman. And since Michael commented on Sawyer’s Marley-esque warblings, the apparent “Island” record connection could explain why a heavily-disguised Sawyer and Michael were on the cover of that Geronimo Jackson album.

Anyway - how this links in with Miami. Compass Point’s very distinctive multi-coloured wooden dwellings and interiors were designed by Barbara Hulanicki. She launched iconic fashion label Biba back in the 60s, but now enjoys a successful career as an interior designer based out of Miami. Other projects have included Miami Beach’s Marlin Hotel - which I’m sure was once (if not still) owned by Island’s Chris Blackwell too.

Now I’m not saying this means the cityscape on the poster was Miami. Just that there are a heck of alot of links to Miami emerging on the show. So maybe it’s something else connected to Miami that’s important here.

The drug link is possible given the presence of a drug-runners’ plane on the island. (ie. watch Al Pacino’s Scarface for its tale of a Miami-based drug lord). And Hurley’s Cuban heritage could tie in with Miami’s Cuban population - in fact, this could tie in with the drug angle seeing as Jorge secured his role in Lost after the producers saw him playing a drug dealer on Curb Your Enthusiasm. But I’m gonna discount famous Miami-based tv shows mentioned on the show because the references were kinda obvious (ie. Sawyer admitting to Kate he wore pink in the 80s = Miami Vice; the Exposé forensics investigation = CSI Miami). And Lost being Lost, I reckon the actual relevance is going to be something hidden a bit deeper. So try this one on for size ...

Miami Beach is a key location for fashion shoots - it’s probably one of its main industries. And several key cast members all used to be fashion models. So perhaps the island is actually some kind of “shoot” location - just not the fluffy, fashion-y type. Maybe all these presumed Miami clues are pointing to the island being the location for an assassination. (In fact, I’m convinced Kate’s toy plane provides a similar clue, since it was originally from Dallas where Kennedy was assassinated - ie. another “shoot” location).

I still think Jack’s original (if currently unwitting) plan was to assassinate Ben - ie. he’s not a real surgeon but assumed that identity so that Ben would require his services and could be “innocently” killed on the operating table. (Obviously the plot failed - most likely because Jack’s conscious desire to help Kate escape overrided his subconscious desire to carry out Ben’s murder).

Now, Italian fashion designer Gianni Versace was assassinated on the steps of his Miami mansion. And at the time there was speculation that the killing might’ve been linked to the Mafia. Which could explain Locke’s Godfather parody in the pilot episode.

I dunno - it’s just a thought.


Sorry, Luc. I know this is deviating from the colour theme but I wanted to keep all this Miami stuff in one place.

H x

I'd never seen those LostPedia pages before, Hildy. Thanks, they're great. It's funny with that site - if you don't think to search for something you have no idea it's on there.

And I'm still thinking that "assign" was probably a very deliberate choice of word.

And that's interesting about the old-school special effects. I love all those little tricks they used to use : camera angles, props, etc. It all seems too easy now.

As for the S4 Poster, personally, I'm still going with a city not of our "now" and /or "where". Or something that looks like a city but isn't at all. But even if it is supposed to be a "normal" city, I think it has been put together on a computer. The windows are too regular. And the distribution of the buildings seems unusual too - the spacing and sizes.

Here (http://www.lucidity.es/SkyLine.jpg)'s a version of it the right way round.
(Technically this is a SPOILER, I guess, so if you think seeing the Season 4 Poster will spoil the experience for you . . .)

Mobisode #13 - besides being amazingly confusing.

Right after the opened suitcase, Vincent passes a nice spot of red.

Mobisode #13 - besides being amazingly confusing.

Right after the opened suitcase, Vincent passes a nice spot of red.
And I also think that I saw
a large pink flower that Vincent passed under on his way to Christian.

And I also think that I saw
a large pink flower that Vincent passed under on his way to Christian.Yep, saw that too.

I was wondering if the suitcase was Shannon's, pink sock and stuff.

The 'propellers' on Jack's tie have always pointed toward his being Oceanic for me - but the real hook was his odd conversation with Cindy: she hands him booze, he quips she's breaking Federal Aviation Administration rules... why?

But I'm going over very old ground here and even passed it off as nothing myself in recent months.

Still... he can fly. I've said so since the pilot episode and Sawyer and Kate building a runway has done nothing to change my mind. Where I have changed my mind is this:

I think it more probable now, that his ability will have more to do with his return to the Island than his escaping it.Wow! I just had a mindf- experience after reading your post, Liplocked...

Let's say that Jack's outfit was a pilot's outfit. Was he on the plane off-duty or was he a back-up pilot for the flight? Also, and this is where I got freaked out for a second or ten, maybe becoming a pilot was Jack's only way to get back to the Island successfully? This goes back to the idea that when we see flight 815 in the air from Jack's POV or in scenes when he's talking, it's from his second time around...from his successful trip back to the Island...and it involves him being a pilot of the plane that gets him there...somehow...the only hard-to-crack nut is that we, of course, don't see him flying the plane. We see the other pilots in the cockpit. How could this work?
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From the latest mobisode, what stuck out to me in terms of color was CS' white as white can be tennis shoes. What is this telling us, if anything?

Also, in the mobisode, how come Vincent understood, seemingly, what CS said to him? How is that possible? I'm thinking of Mandrake Wig and his work with yellow labrador retreivers...

Hi colour watchers - I have something for you: Cobalt Blue : http://www.apothecarycollectables.com/shop/images/uploads/4_blues_close_up.jpg (these are poison bottles... I just liked them)

Worn by Kate and Jin I think, and of interest to me firstly because the shade has a specific name, and secondly because I saw a facinating documentary last night on atoms, that taught me a whole load of exciting stuff about Iron, but also how Cobalt resembles it:

It's stable - errr, perhaps not Kate and Jin then lol - magnetic, used in recording equipment and engine turbines (Smokey?), irradiating food for preservation (Dharma ranch dressing?)... here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt read it for yourselves :)

But don't miss this link: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9501E7D71338F932A35756C0A962948260 may be nothing, but it's as scary as whatever is held behind the Swan's wall.

And reading it has this minute, made me realise what the Red & White references are.

Regarding the amazing Mobisode . . .

. . . yeah, I spotted the Colour too.
Like Junie was saying, the White shoes really stood out. I mean they did in other shots we've seen of him too, but this time there was a real focus there. There has to be something significant about either the Colour (as we're hoping here) or the strange choice of footwear. But in my opinion, it has to be about one or the other.

The Red flowers were cool too. I'll have to rewatch for the Pink one. All this hiatus has left my Colour-Spotting abilities a little rusty. ;)


Liplocked,
"Cobalt Blue" - nice. I remember Juniebun and I discussing some time back how the Colour of Kate's T-Shirt in the FF matched the Colour of Juliet's Eyes when she stands Smokey down. I think Junie described it as "Electric Blue". Similar idea.

I'll have to check out the links later though. I'm having the craziest week at work - one of my staff is off sick and I'm having to work double. Fancy choosing this week of all weeks to fall sick ! How inconsiderate, doesn't he know it's Lost Week ? :rolleyes:

Interesting stuff, Liplocked...it makes me wonder about what exactly was behind the Swan Hatch's walls before it exploded and how that affected everyone on the Island after the explosion. Also, it makes me wonder a little bit more about the other possible properties of the Island and what they can do to people. Is there anything we can connect to the pregnancy problems on the Island? To the strange healing properties of the Island?

Yes, I've always been interested in the eye colors of people on the Island, especially when the change or seem to intensify. Juliet's electric blue eyes (almost cobalt in a sense) come to mind first. Also, the cobalt-ish blue of Jack's t-shirt and Desmond's shirt that we've seen them in lately (okay 9 months ago) also come to mind.

As for the S4 Poster, personally, I'm still going with a city not of our "now" and /or "where". Or something that looks like a city but isn't at all. But even if it is supposed to be a "normal" city, I think it has been put together on a computer. The windows are too regular. And the distribution of the buildings seems unusual too - the spacing and sizes.

Here (http://www.lucidity.es/SkyLine.jpg)'s a version of it the right way round.
(Technically this is a SPOILER, I guess, so if you think seeing the Season 4 Poster will spoil the experience for you . . .)

Aw, thanks so much for posting that link to a decent shot of the cityscape, Luc. MUCH appreciated. OK, so now it doesn’t look so much like Miami, darnit! One final potential Miami link and then I’ll give this theory the decent burial it now seems to demand ...

On Jack’s bookshelf in his office (S3.1 flashback), there’s a copy of Carl Hiassen’s Skinny Dip. Now it’s probably just a jokey nod to MF’s rumoured love of skinny-dipping. But Carl Hiassen is Miami-based and tends to set all his stories there. OK, that’s it - no more Miami connections, I promise!

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I'm heading out in some blue jeans, a red hat, my lovely orange Save Joop tee-shirt, and a green hoodie. Let's see how the day goes, yeah?

Also, lots of red on Sun and Hurley in the finale,and Sawyer in green. I know it's been discussed before, but what's been made out of it? I can't wait to see how colors play tonight.

What... no lucky yellow Narrim? Be safe yeah.

I read only yesterday that the angel Gabriel is associated with the colour red.

Dunno what that says about Jack's nearly-but-didn't-happen liason with patient's daughter Gabriela... but it was interesting none the less.

Vermilion proved interesting too : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion Mercury has insanity and Alice in Wonderland associations, Sulphur would be conspicuous if it didn't occur on a volcanic island.

...if you click the link to Mercury - you get atomic time keepers and a lovely ultraviolet to consider too.

Liplocked,
Well, Jack broke Colour-scheme for the first time to wear Red when he kissed Gabriela, so that fits nicely.

And Narrim,
If this were the Lost Universe you'd want to stay away from Green, it could mean Death, or that you're going to give Birth ! :biggrin:
The Colours from the Finale are also going to be the Colours they're wearing tonight, so perhaps some meaning will come from it then.

Living in Spain, I don't get to see the Ep until some kind soul YouTubes it, but I have been completely Spoilt as to what happens in the Ep, so please, please, please, everyone, keep your eyes open for Colour and post what you see. Some interesting things have happened recently in terms of Spoilers and what I've predicted based on the Colours, and so I suspect if there really is something going on with Colour it will slowly start to become more evident. These first Eps could be very interesting for the Sewing Kit.

I have to wait for the epis to be available online too Luc - have to say I'm pretty worried for Hurley: I'm seen him in red once too often for comfort and now he has his grief to deal with too.

Catch up with you sometime soon I hope. All of yous! :bye:

I thought that you guys might like this stuff...

Todell posted over in the LOyal to the queST Thread an old post from Captain Tiberius and it mentioned Sanguinius at the end of it. I put that name/word into wikipedia.com and look what I found. I'm also going to post this in Lucidity's the Sewing Kit Thread as I think that it's relevent there, too...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanguinius

This link is definitely worth reading, IMHO...

Here's one cool part:

A Blood Angels company's markings deter from the Codex Astartes by utilising symbols on the right shoulder guard instead of different colored trim and numbers. Only in special cases does the Chapter symbol not appear on the left shoulder guard. The following is a list of how each company represents itself:
1st Company (Veteran) : A white skull over red background on the right shoulder guard. On Terminator (Tactical Dreadnought), the left shoulder guard shows the First Company's heraldry, the right shoulder guard display the Chapter Icon in black (yellow for Sergeants).
2nd Company (Battle) : A single yellow blood drop.
3rd Company (Battle) : A single white blood drop.
4th Company (Battle) : A single green blood drop.
5th Company (Battle) : A single black blood drop.
6th Company (Reserve Tactical) : Twin yellow blood drops, side by side.
7th Company (Reserve Tactical) : Twin white blood drops, side by side.
8th Company (Reserve Assault) : Twin green blood drops, side by side.
9th Company (Reserve Devastator) : Twin black blood drops, side by side.
10th Company (Scouts) : The scout company wears a black skull on the right shoulder pad, and the Chaptor symbol on the left.
The Chapter Master's personal bodyguard wears gold armour with black trim, painting the right shoulder guard red. The Chapter symbol is displayed on the left shoulder guard, a white skull displayed on the right.

Thanks for thinking to post it here too, Junie. Warhammer brings back memories. I used to play the original version with my brother as a kid. It also ties in with all the blood talk in Lost.

Liplocked,
Just this morning I've found a great site for watching Lost on-line from outside the US : good quality and just a few hours after it aired. If you're interested PM me and I'll send you the details. I don't want to post it here openly because the site's obviously not very "official".

So, S4 has started !
My plan is each week to see what we get in terms of Colours and hopefully there'll be a little group of us who discuss things, like we did in S3. I'll take the interesting stuff and put together a page on the WebSite for each Ep, making it easier for people to see what we're talking about without having to go link by link for each screencap.

I think there were some definite Colour choices in this Ep, but not many of them that seem to immediately fit our original "Colour Code", at least not without more context to put things in. So, at the moment it's mainly just Colours that stood out for me.

I'll post a link to a page with my initial thoughts as soon as I've finished it, and then I'll update it as other things come up.

Also, there's a Video PodCast (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/02/video-podcast-behind-scenes-of-episode.html) out, and within it they mention that the next one will include a section on wardrobe, so that might be make or break for the Theory.

:frown: So, no input from anyone for this first Ep ?

We're (or "I'm" as it stands at the moment !) going to have to build up a little group again, like we had for Season 3. Basically, about half a dozen people who watch the Eps with Colour in mind and post their observations. And I may be wrong, of course, but I'm pretty confident that this Season we're going to start getting some confirmation on all of this.

If you read the Spoilers you'll know that one major thing I predicted based on the Colours has already been confirmed, and the only other Colour-based prediction I made looks like it might happen too.


Confirmed is that Kate is raising Aaron in the FFs, predicted from her Blue look in Looking Glass. And likely is Claire's death, which I predicted at the time of the build-up to Charlie's death.



So, The Beginning of the End. I spotted some pretty cool stuff. We've got Hurley in Red now. Charlie in Hawking-like Purple. Naomi's top magically turned Green for her Death scene. And Team Locke is Green and Team Jack, Blue.

What I'm going to do this Season is have a page on the WebSite for each Ep, so you can see all the Colours at a glance. I've started with my observations, but I'm hoping others will add theirs and anything interesting will get added to the page too. The link to the last Ep will always be in my Sig thingy. But here (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Beginning%20of%20the%20End.htm) it is anyway.

Oh, and finally . . .

. . . the rescue helicopter (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6OD_8BE0SI/AAAAAAAASjA/bImgdAkrlus/s1600-h/111058_066_pre.jpg) is Blue, so that's cool too. :cool:

Lucidity, I'm new to this theory but wow -- I just looked at your site and you're really onto something!!! It'll take me forever, but I'm going to try and catch up with the thread(s), and I bookmarked your site so that I can check back often.

ETA: By the way, I have synaesthesia. I see numbers as having genders, some people as having colored auras, and days of the week have very specific spatial locations for me.

TeeveesBella,
Thanks ! :thumbsup:
And thanks for posting, I was beginning to think that I had done a Jacob and no-one could hear me. :biggrin:
I'm sure it will all pick up again slowly. It's just frustrating because there has been some really cool stuff in that first Ep.

As for catching up, I wouldn't recommend reading through all 2000-odd Posts. The WebPage really does do a pretty good job of catching you up with everything.

And another poster with synaesthesia ! That's two in as many weeks. "Coloured auras" is what I'm praying for in Lost. ;) Could you explain the days of the week having locations - that sounds fascinating.

Luc: I'm here - and up to speed - yay! - so there's a paragraph in one of your posts above can be removed now.

I'll post v.soon - 'till then; Go Team Green! :biggrin: but Sun in red....? ooh-err :frown:

Hey Luc


I don't have my color glasses on yet. I watched twice and the only thing that comes to mind is Des and Jack? were wearing green when they killed someone?


Aw dang I'm going to have to watch it again tonight. :biggrin:

I too have been too busy to really put any time into the color thing.

Just a couple of quick skeptical observations (you know I am good with those;) ) :


The rescue helicopter in blue. It seems like the spoilers I have read (I don't go search for them.) seem to indicate that rescue is NOT the primary mission of the helicopter and apparently all the Losties do not get rescued. If this is correct, then why would the helicopter be blue? Wouldn't orange (danger) or red (deception) be a more appropriate color?



If you read the Spoilers you'll know that one major thing I predicted based on the Colours has already been confirmed, and the only other Colour-based prediction I made looks like it might happen too.

Don't forget that you also predicted that Claire (I believe) would die and Charlie would live based on the color code.

I believe the correct prediction you are talking about is the Kate in blue protecting Aaron. Is that correct? Why couldn't the blue be symbolizing Kate herself being healthy, safe, & secure. She sure seemed to be in a much better state. She would not have to be protecting anyone for the color blue to work in this theory.


And Team Locke is Green and Team Jack, Blue.

I did not catch this. If I have time to rewatch the episode, I'll try to pay closer attention.

So we have Team Death (green) and Team Blue (safety).

It will be interesting to see how Hurley fits into these teams. He apparently went with the Death team, but he also apparently gets rescued (should have been blue). It would seem that at some point he has to switch sides. But he told Jack that he shouldh have never gone with Locke. I would think that Hurley would have apologized to Jack much sooner if he had switched sides. Of course he may apologize to him many times in the future. We will just have to wait and see.

And another poster with synaesthesia ! That's two in as many weeks. "Coloured auras" is what I'm praying for in Lost. ;) Could you explain the days of the week having locations - that sounds fascinating.

Sure! Here's something I posted on my blog awhile back, which explains my forms of synaesthesia (ordinal-linguistic personification, spatial-sequence and grapheme-color synaesthesia) better and in a little more detail than what I posted last night. (Synaesthesia can involve colors, numbers, digits, personalities, spatial formations and more.)

Numbers have genders, colors and personalities, and are either dominant or submissive in respect to other numbers (i.e. 4 is female and red; 3 is male and green; and 8 is male and yellow — but 8 is less masculine than 3, who’s younger than 8 but could probably beat him [8] up; 10, male and black, is very disaffected and uninvolved with the other numbers; 9 is male, and brown, and idolizes 10 and bullies 8, etc.). Some letters also have genders, colors and personalities (i.e. J is purple, male and artistic; C is yellow and male, but kind of wimpy, etc.).


Days of the week are always envisaged as large squares (perhaps like calendar boxes) and always positioned to my left and moving in that order:



Saturday < Friday < Thursday < Wednesday < Tuesday < Monday < Sunday (ME) < Saturday



(I’m always standing on Sunday, sometimes straddling Saturday; also, the coming weekend (the Saturday at the far left) usually has some sort of border or something that I can’t quite make out that distinguishes it from the weekdays, usually in brown. It’s almost as if it were slightly raised with a wooden frame.) So, when I'm thinking ahead to any day of the week, I'm looking left (in my mind's eye) and viewing the week as a 3D grid that goes from right to left.



Some people automatically have colors for me. For example, a guy I used to know was always navy blue. (The funny thing is, I later learned that his horoscope sign was associated with the color navy blue.) Not all people have colors for me; some are clear. Either I associate you with a color or I don't.



Forks, knives and spoons have genders (but, whereas knives and forks are always male, spoons alternate between female and asexual)

Bella,
Thanks for the insight. "Forks, knives and spoons" is funny, because those are their gender in Spanish too. And that's weird that some people have a Colour and others don't. It's all so hard for a non-synesthete to imagine.

Liplocked and wif,
Look forward to hearing your thoughts on The Beginning of the End.

rt,
Regarding the little Blue Spoiler . . .

. . . their mission isn't really the question, I don't think. The point is that helicopter is going to rescue 6 of them. Those who take the helicopter will be Safe. Those who don't, won't.



And the death one . . .

I said that both Claire and Charlie were wearing Greens (Death) and Blues (Safe), but that the balance went slightly against Claire. But if they both die I think that makes even more sense.



Regarding the one I've already got right, it's not fair to question why I didn't interpret something else. I saw the Colours, predicted something quite surprising, and got it right.

It all made sense because . . .

. . . Aaron is all about the Blue, and Claire changed to Blue when she had him. So we suddenly saw Kate in Blue and it all added up.


And Locke's Greenies. "Team Death" I think will be more about "Team Nature", or "Team Island", hence the rain as they walked off.

Wow, TeeVeesBella, that's reminded me: my younger sister - when she was very young - substituted the word 'blue' for nice; a word she said was nice. Her fondness for it didn't seem to be to do with the colour at all - she was talking about some other property.

But Luc: don't gots much sadly on the colour obs - saw that Hurley's red T became a dressing gown post Island, but more interesting the blue shirt he had under it.

Sun mirrored this colour combo when she put a blue cardigan over her red T.

The rest of the epi was reminiscent of a Constable landscape - all olive greens and earthy browns.

Aaron is all about the Blue, and Claire changed to Blue when she had him. So we suddenly saw Kate in Blue and it all added up.

I am ok with the logic behind this. I just wanted to point out that Kate in blue could still work in your theory without Aaron being involved. Kate = Blue = health/safety/security.

I was not trying to poke holes in your theory. Just pointed out that your code would still work.




I said that both Claire and Charlie were wearing Greens (Death) and Blues (Safe), but that the balance went slightly against Claire. But if they both die I think that makes even more sense.

That wasnt' the point I was trying to make.

You said (I added the bold): If you read the Spoilers you'll know that one major thing I predicted based on the Colours has already been confirmed, and the only other Colour-based prediction I made looks like it might happen too

I just wanted to remind you that you had made a color-based prediction previously that was incorrect. No big deal.

It also seems that you are saying that if Claire dies sometime in the future, the green she wore way back then would somehow be validated. Obviously that would not work for me because I would guess that almost ALL the Losties have worn green at some point. But, it doesn't have to work for me. It's your theory.



Something just occured to me. If Locke really is somehow aware that the new arrivals are there to harm the Losties, shouldn't he also be getting some blue time? He would be after all trying to protect them all.

Based on the FFs, it also appears that Locke was correct when he told our Losties that they are not supposed to leave the island. Again he is protecting them. This would also seem to indicate that Locke should be getting some blue time.

Locke seems like he is going to be the big protector of the island. Blue time coming up?

Speaking of protecting the island, obviously Ben is the big protector. He has even sacrificed some of his own people. He also could/should be a big blue.

maybe John wears blue skivvies?

Wow, TeeVeesBella, that's reminded me: my younger sister - when she was very young - substituted the word 'blue' for nice; a word she said was nice. Her fondness for it didn't seem to be to do with the colour at all - she was talking about some other property.



Sounds like she might have synaesthesia, too! You should ask about it. I'd love to hear!

Liplocked,
Yeah, I noticed the Blue / Red combos too. Last Season we were getting a lot or Orange / Blue. We'll have to watch out for it and see if there's a pattern. Sawyer's often Red / Blue too.


The rest of the epi was reminiscent of a Constable landscape - all olive greens and earthy browns.


Exactly. And, personally, I don't think that's a coincidence. The Losties are looking more and more like the Others.

rt,
The thing to remember is that there are two levels to the Colour Code I'm proposing. First, there's the "meaning" of each Colour : Death, Safety, Danger, etc. But then there's also the "Powers" / "Tribes" idea. And so, Locke being Mr Green isn't about him being Mr Death, it's about his "field of influence", as I call it, being Nature. Jin's a Greeny, because he is the Super-Fisherman. Sun's a Greeny because she's the Botanist. Locke's UberGreeny Tracker / Hunter, and that's why he's tuned into the Island and can predict rain, etc. That's why I don't see Locke "Protecting" the Island as a Blue thing, but rather a Green thing.

Here's a Colour I'm hoping to see . . .

We know one of the Freighties will be talking to a dead Naomi tonight. I'd like for there to be some Red somewhere for his "Perception" power. If it happened it would be big because I've seen the Promos for how he's dressed and there's no Red, so it would have to be a really blatant introduction - a Red bag or something.

This is not a "prediction", rt, okay?



Regarding the Claire / Charlie Prediction / Spoiler . . .

The point with that prediction is that the Rumours were all about either Charlie or Claire being the one to die at the end of S3. And TV Guide did an article on exactly that. It wasn't what they wore in an Ep. It was what they wore in the Promotional Pictures for that article. And yes, they were taken specifically for that article because Des was in some of them looking over them. And yes, he was wearing Blue.

So, these pictures had Charlie and Claire alternating between Blue and Green. I see that as : Who is Safe? Who is going to Die? The balance went slightly against Claire, she was in Green 3 times and Blue twice, so I predicted it would be Claire to die, not Charlie. But them both kicking the Craphole bucket makes perfect sense too.



What does everyone make of Naomi changing to Green just in time to Die? There's a complete breakdown on the "The Beginning of the End" page (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Beginning%20of%20the%20End.htm). I think it's pretty cool, and shows something is definitely going on with Colour.

And rt, that's another "Green Cow". ;)

And in the bigger picture, something that fits our ideas of Powers and that the Island is preparing the Losties for a battle, i.e. the Island will be their "Origin Story". Michael Emerson has said in an interview (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/02/mitovich-mega-minute-mini-interview.html) :

"This Island, I think, is a skirmish. A hotspot in a much larger conflict."




Don't forget to check out Naomi in Green, everyone. I think it's a big one.

There is some evidence for the color theory provided in the new official Lost video podcast. Roland Sanchez, the costume designer, discusses how he chooses wardrobe for the characters. He reads the scripts to know where the characters are going (emotionally) to choose the colors they wear. Jack, for example, wore blue in TTLG because he was in a dark, stressful situation and Sanchez didn't want him dressed in a happy color.

There was a cool spectrum effect over Miles head when we first saw him...

...communicating with the dead (just tagging that for anyone who hasn't seen this episode yet), you can see what's causing it, it's not a special effect or anything, it just stood out and I thought it worth a mention.

And Faraday talking about the light, which takes us back to the first season and the discussion about infrared waves.

And Faraday talking about the light, which takes us back to the first season and the discussion about infrared waves.

When he first said that I thought he had a light-meter in his hand, but I'm rewatching now and all Faraday is holding is his phone and his gun, it seems odd that he noticed, although I guess he's the first person we've met who could realistically be expected to notice such a thing.

czardingus,
Yeah, I saw that Video PodCast this morning. I don't know if it's good news or bad news for the Thread. On the one hand he specifically says that he thinks what Colour to put a character in based on who they are and where they're headed :cool:, but on the other hand, his reasons for having Jack in Blue, for example, seem to be very trivial, compared to what we're suggesting here :frown:.

Here's a link (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/02/episode-402-confirmed-dead-abc-vodcast.html) to Dark's section with the Vid. Nothing Spoilery if you've seen Ep 2.

But Naomi was definitely edited into Green for her Death scene, so I'm going to look on the positive side for now.

Richard,
I totally missed that spectrum thing you mentioned. I'm trying to see it now, but with all the people watching the streaming is painfully slow. Was it on the ceiling or something?

There weren't too many Colour changes in this Ep, but there were a few small bits that I'll put together on the WebSite, like I did for The Beginning of the End (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Beginning%20of%20the%20End.htm).

One that I already mentioned as a Spoiler, for example, is that the helicopter is Blue. And also cool were the very deliberate Red flowers as Vincent appeared.

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Just seen the spectrum you were talking about, Richard. Very cool. And, as Sam mentioned, coupled with the "Light Scattering" thing it could mean something.

Regarding blue...I thought that it was interesting that Claire was in blue, I think for both episodes now. Jack and Desmond have been in that same kind of vibrant blue color for awhile now. It would be funny if Desmond turns out to be Jack's other half-sibling and he's in blue, like Jack, and now Claire's in blue for two episodes and she's Jack's half-sister...

Hurley's red t-shirt really stands out, IMHO, especially if you go look at screencaps of the episode. It kind of matches with his bigger role this year...

But Naomi was definitely edited into Green for her Death scene, so I'm going to look on the positive side for now.

Naomi was back in her grey top this episode...

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107054&fullsize=1

Richardstone >
Naomi was back in her grey top this episode...


Did you see the page I did on the WebSite for the Ep (link's in my Sig)?
There's a bit at the bottom that deals with Naomi's top. It was Grey in "Looking Glass", Grey at first in "Beginning of", and even in the Promo pic for the Death scene, and, like you say, back In Grey in "Confirmed Dead". But it was tinted Green during the Death scene.

And Junie, yeah, of all of the Colours in S4 so far, Claire is the one sticking out for me most.


Of course, if you know the Aaron Spoiler then it makes perfect sense.



And Desmond as another half-Shephard ! That Christian certainly gets about a bit, even dead, so I wouldn't put it past him.

But it was tinted Green during the Death scene.

Was it just tinted green? I thought it was green? I was just looking at screencaps to check that very fact (tint Vs. new top) and it looked to be too dark a green to be the same top, Kate's top and Naomi's headband stay pretty much the same colour in comparison? I don't suppose it matters a great deal but a change of top would be more significant (as evidence) than it just being tinted IMO.

Oh and I just read the strike is over!! Thank the makers!

"It's over," Eisner said. "They made the deal, they shook hands on the deal. It's going on Saturday to the writers in general."

Eisner, speaking live on CNBC's "Fast Money," seemed to hesitate initially about whether it was possible that the writers could still reject the agreement, but finally suggested the deal's acceptance was inevitable.

"A deal has been made, and they'll be back to work very soon," Eisner said, adding, "I know a deal's been made. I know it's over."

Plus LOST is back filming already I read so we're going to get more than just the eight episodes this season!

Sorry to go OT, just wanted to share the good news :biggrin:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was just tinted because there was a Promo pic of the exact same scene and she's still wearing Grey. And also, you can see a Green tinge to her hair and eyebrows. And also the background greenery, the trees and things, seem to have been exaggerated.

And regarding the strike, yes, it's fantastic news. I saw it 99% confirmed this morning. Foxy has said, apparently, that he has heard they will do either 4 or 6 more Eps for S4, making a 12 or 14 Ep Season.

Okay...this is going to sound really weird, but...well..here goes...

The other day, I asked somewhere around the Fuselage (probably in the LOyal to the queST Thread) if anyone else saw the silvery-white-ish-metalic stuff on Naomi's back in, I think, the first episode for S4. No one answered either way, but it just came up in again in that thread.

Tiberius posted some stuff not that long ago over there that said:

LAPIDUS

In the pursuit of gold

Exaltation

Vade Mecum

This lead to furious amounts of Googling, etc. Someone posted a link to In Pursuit of Gold - Alchemy in Theory and Practice by LAPIDUS, which I read...very interesting...here's a little about what it said in the link:

"If asked what is alchemy, the short answer might be the search for the “Philosophers’ Stone”. This, however, is no stone, but a powder with the power to transmute base metals into gold or silver."

"The “Philosophers’ Stone” was also called the “Elixir of Life”, which has the virtue of being able to cure any of the diseases of mankind, thus assuring perfect health and a longevity far beyond the normal span that is hoped for by man."

Then I said,

"Is this why the Freighties and the Freighter have been looking for the Island? Man, where's Richard Alpert and Mikhail when you need them - and need some answers...lol?

WAIT A SECOND....The other day, I posted a question asking if anyone else saw something silvery-white-ish-metallic on Naomi's back, where she was stabbed by Locke. Did anyone else see that? No one else commented on it at that time of the post. I'm 100% postive that I saw it and I even asked Mr. Junie if he saw it. I can't remember which episode that it was in - 1 or 2, but NAOMI HAD THIS WEIRD STUFF ON HER BACK...I think that someone put it on her and she will come back to life...and it's related to what we're talking about now...can it only be found on the Island???"

Talk about colors meaning something...

I don't know if an Interview with Fahey needs to be SpoilerTagged, but just to be on the safe side . . .

As I posted on the Kristin Thread :
Wow ! Kristin has actually said something interesting. :eek:


When I caught up tonight with Jeff Fahey (Frank the kick-*** "drunk" pilot), he told me what the fans have accused him of being God, Satan or some dude who's there to impregnate the women on the island. And the clincher? He hinted that one of those is true. What the hey? For more gorey details on that, check back next week for the video, but in the meantime...


So, have you all seen the side-by-sides of that first image of Jacob and Lapidus? Could it be that he is somehow Jacob, i.e. a God?

edit :
Here (http://bp1.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/R6S3RaLiPTI/AAAAAAAAASE/ev_zN08Ixvc/s1600-h/ddcrro.jpg) it is.


And I can definitely see an "Elixir of Life" being the sort of thing the Freighties might be looking for. Of course, we also had the powder at Jacob's cabin. And, not the same thing, but there were Dharma Gemology studies too.

The plot thickens (as usual ! :rolleyes: ).

There is a new page for Confirmed Dead (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Confirmed%20Dead.htm) on the Sewing Kit WebSite.
There aren't many bits in terms of Colour, but a couple of them are pretty cool. The changing pictures are worth checking out if you haven't seen it already.
And there's more evidence that Vincent is Smokey. :dog:

Also, not on the Page, but regarding the story in general, I'm more and more convinced we're going to get Good and Evil in the flesh, Abaddon probably being the Devil, or similar, and I think Ben may actually be one of the "good guys" after all. Look at Abaddon's "office" (http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/7a/4x02_Naomiabaddon.jpg). Does that look normal? And, of course, we all know about the meaning of his name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon).

...LAPIDUS

In the pursuit of gold...
cool that totally fits with my Volcanic gold theory that Widmore is after gold from the island and/or the Black Rock...

I don't know if an Interview with Fahey needs to be SpoilerTagged, but just to be on the safe side . . .

As I posted on the Kristin Thread :
Wow ! Kristin has actually said something interesting. :eek:


So, have you all seen the side-by-sides of that first image of Jacob and Lapidus? Could it be that he is somehow Jacob, i.e. a God?

edit :
Here (http://bp1.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/R6S3RaLiPTI/AAAAAAAAASE/ev_zN08Ixvc/s1600-h/ddcrro.jpg) it is.


And I can definitely see an "Elixir of Life" being the sort of thing the Freighties might be looking for. Of course, we also had the powder at Jacob's cabin. And, not the same thing, but there were Dharma Gemology studies too.

The plot thickens (as usual ! :rolleyes: ).

ROFLAO! :biggrin: LOVE that spoiler - I'm a wee spoiled for tonight's British broadcast myself, just enough to be able to find humour in the character you mention looks like John, sounds like John

~ could pass for the guy in the hot tub in Bad Twin incidentally - I'll bet he pulls on a Hawaiian shirt when he leaves his glass house ~

and if his purpose is the third one you mentioned; well... I once read a post here on the Fuse' that had me responding, how distasteful I'd find it if

John were used as a stud animal.

Liplocked,
It's funny you compare Lapidus with Locke - when you're watching the Ep see if you notice certain similarities between them. I think even the voices sound similar, but especially the measured way in which they speak.

And on the topic of similarities . .
And this is nothing to do with Colour, but I wanted to post it somewhere.

Someone posted that Locke might end up with Charlotte and, just for fun, I started a bit of Shipper banter, calling their ship "Chocke", etc. Anyway, I posted that Charlotte looks like a young Helen, and then after I started thinking maybe there is something to it.

Look at Helen (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Helen.jpg), now Charlotte (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:CharlotteLewis2.jpg).

And then look at Charlotte's assistant (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-374.html), and compare her to Nadia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Nadia_and_Locke.jpg).

And, of course, Miles could be Jin and Sun's future son or something.

What do you think? Anything to it all?

And don't forget, everyone, to check out the Confirmed Dead Sewing Kit page - link's in my Sig.

Also, not on the Page, but regarding the story in general, I'm more and more convinced we're going to get Good and Evil in the flesh, Abaddon probably being the Devil, or similar, and I think Ben may actually be one of the "good guys" after all. Look at Abaddon's "office" (http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/7a/4x02_Naomiabaddon.jpg). Does that look normal? And, of course, we all know about the meaning of his name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon).
The picture of Abaddon's office, what I found interesting was the large EXIT sign and there are no chairs.

Yeah, I mentioned that "EXIT" sign somewhere too. And also Naomi said something like "We can't just drop them in there", about the Freighties. Why would they be planning to drop them rather than land? Could that be where they're "dropped" from?

I've really started to think that they're some kind of (evil) Angels or something. Why those 4 people for the Freighter? They're a real mixed bag of weirdos. Not the sort of people you'd expect to see sent on some important mission. Perhaps sent along because of some "Power" they have, but together with a whole bunch of serious people who know what they're doing.

I think perhaps they were going to die or something, and that's why they can be recruited by Abaddon. But that's getting more into the territory of my Jaws of Death thread.

But yeah, definitely something weird going on with that office.

The picture of Abaddon's office, what I found interesting was the large EXIT sign and there are no chairs.

I actually thought they were meeting in an empty floor of an apartment building, I didn't get the feeling that it was Abaddon's office myself and given the covert nature of the mission (as Naomi described it) it could be pretty silly for her to turn up at his place of work, I got the impression it was a secret meeting?

Was he the supervisor that Frank Lapidus spoke too when he called the Oceanic Hotline?

ETA: No, he wasn't.

Well, that sort of goes with the idea that he's "the devil". It's not like you'd imagine he has papers in those drawers.

But I'd say it's pretty clear something weird happened for those Freighies to "drop in".

I just thought the mention of "dropping-in" was a reference to their method of entry. Abbadon had to have known a bit about the properties of The Island to select such a specific five-person team but of those five people only Naomi struck me as having had some probable experience of parachuting, it seems like something the rest of the team might have had to to train for?

Of course, the other thing with that office (http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/7a/4x02_Naomiabaddon.jpg) is the Colour, or lack of it. It's hard to tell from that screencap, but I think that EXIT sign is Green. Green being our Death Colour, that could mean something about what that office represents in terms of getting to the Island and whether getting there involves Death.

So, forgetting Colours a moment, and focusing on Powers, these Freighties seem to be "special" in their different ways. Miles can speak to the dead and Faraday, based on his name and his comment about light, is probably going to be able to do something electrical. But what I'm wondering about right now is Naomi. Why does Abbadon think she alone would be able to protect the other 4? I'm wondering if she had, or has?, some kind of ability to Protect or Heal. There's some interesting audio (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/miles-and-naomi-reversed-speech.html) posted on Dark's site, which is what Miles whispers to her when he does his talking to the dead bit, and backwards it sounds an awful lot like "You gotta see it through". Is he somehow asking her to complete her mission?

And getting back to Colour a moment, I know LostPedia can be edited by just about anyone, but I thought it was interesting that they wrote :

"As happened in previous episodes, this one brings many prominent red objects (lights in the helicopter, transponder lights, bag in the metal chest, fence in California, item in Miles' trunk, Rebecca's translator's garment, gallon in the desert, Charlotte's parachute handle, flowers in the forest, a.o.)"



Oh, and can I get a second opinion on the "EXIT" sign in Abbadon's office (http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/7a/4x02_Naomiabaddon.jpg) thingy? Is it Green?

I went back to look, honestly, I can't tell. Usually, the EXIT signs are red but they come in green too.
http://www.hew.com/product%20photo/EXITCA-AF-Red.jpg
http://www.hew.com/product%20photo/EXITCA-WF-Green.JPG

Well, thanks for looking, Sam.

Just to add to my comments earlier about Naomi, I was thinking maybe that's the explanation for her having a FlashBack. Everyone has been saying it breaks the Lost rules for a dead person to have one, but if she somehow has the ability to come back alive . . .

EW.com has got an article in which they compare the Freighties to the Fantastic Four. And I can't remember where I saw it, but I'm sure I've read that that's what the cast is calling them too. The cast, or crew, or something like that.

And Michael Emerson said they were going to have extraordinary powers too.

Here are the links to the article : Faraday (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20177008_2,00.html); Miles & Charlotte (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20177008_3,00.html); Lapidus (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20177008_4,00.html).

This is an underwriten post but;

EXIT : suicide (Des, John, Jack) euthanasia (Christian) Tangerine Dream :LockeOranges: (don’t read anything into that – I just like the icon), a function on my keyboard - like the infamous ‘execute’, a coincidence with opportunities to walk away…?

I saw a blue EXIT sign in a restaurant scene with Sun once that sent me screaming for the hills.

Your post is a bit :blink:, Liplocked, but I definitely agree on the bits I understood. There's hidden meaning to that EXIT button, and it might well tie in with EXECUTE.
Oh, and possibly the KNIFE AND FORK sign on the fishbiscuit machine. :biggrin:

Seriously though. EXIT sign, Green or not? What do people reckon? It would just be too cool if it is - Green = Death = Exit (to Craphole?).

The letters on the Exit-sign look green to me. It's probably one like this:
http://www.bulbman.com/images/signexitledgrn.jpg

Ah, Sam G allready posted that.

:e022:
Merry Christmas, everyone !

__________________________________________________ _________________


Thanks, het. I was pretty sure it was Green, but I wanted a second opinion. So, I think it could be pretty significant that everything in there was Black and White except that sign in Green. The last time we saw something like that was the Orchid video, in which everything is Black and White except that one Box in Red.

Green being Death, I really think this ties in very nicely with another Theory of mine which basically says that everyone brought to the Island is taken from a situation of imminent Death (The Jaws of Death). And, of course, all of the Purgatory / Underworld / Rebirth ideas. And think about it - surely that sign in the middle of the ceiling has to mean something.

:a046:

So, I think it could be pretty significant that everything in there was Black and White except that sign in Green. The last time we saw something like that was the Orchid video, in which everything is Black and White except that one Box in Red.
Everything except the carpet, which looks blue-grey to me, and the desk which was a dark brown colour, wooden.

EXIT (Austrailia): are an organisation who are pro-euthanasia and offer advice to would-be suicides. But because what they do is so contentious – I’m not posting a link.

Jack, John and Des all came within a hair’s breadth of their own final exit, and Christian advocated the ending of Claire’s mum’s less-than life - in Australia.

This link is ok though : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_%28Tangerine_Dream_album%29 check out the titles on track listing.

And this is for fun : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_sign ~ the section, Red or green, may provide hours of investigative and production error speculation. :biggrin:

Liplocked,
It all makes sense now. To add to your little Death Row, a related example was Sayid, who was supposed to do the whole Suicide Bomb thing but backed out.

Richard,
But still no actual Colour other than the Green sign. Everything seems darkened down, so it's not actual Black, but no real Colour to anything either. Mind you, the same could be said of the EXIT sign - there's not much Colour to that either - but it just struck me as slightly more Coloured than anything else.

But if we forget the Colour a moment, does that EXIT sign in the middle of the ceiling seem normal to anyone? What do you think it means?

Everything except the carpet, which looks blue-grey to me, and the desk which was a dark brown colour, wooden.


There also appears to be some color (blue & green?) on the boxes at the back of the room.


As for the sign color, hard to tell because of the lack of light. If I had to guess, I would go with the sign being green.
100%
But if we forget the Colour a moment, does that EXIT sign in the middle of the ceiling seem normal to anyone? What do you think it means?

I just took a look at the picture again.

TO ME, it looks like there is a hallway to the leff of the sign. If so, the hallway probably leads to an exit. If so, it makes sense.

rt,
Did you see Naomi die in Green? Another "Green Cow" to add to our tally.
If you didn't see it, click on the "4.01" link in my Sig and it gives a breakdown of her Grey > Green > Grey T-shirt.

I tried to respond a couple of days ago about Naomi, but I lost my connection to the server and did not have time to repost.

My first (skeptical) thought was that Naomi should be one of those "cows" that we don't count. We discounted a lot of "cows" earlier because they were not main characters and did not get a lot of "face time". I kind of assumed Naomi would fall into that group because she was only in a few episodes.


However, there does appear to be an obvious change in color in her shirt. Her bandana on her head also looks darker to me in the death scene. Maybe this could be attributed to the greenish glow you talk about.

But if we forget the Colour a moment, does that EXIT sign in the middle of the ceiling seem normal to anyone? What do you think it means?

Isn't it a legal requirement to have EXIT signs in office buildings? It's a fire-saftey thing I think?

However, there does appear to be an obvious change in color in her shirt. Her bandana on her head also looks darker to me in the death scene. Maybe this could be attributed to the greenish glow you talk about.

It's the same shirt, they just boosted the green, there's a promo shot of the same scene where you can see she's wearing the grey top that she's normally in.

I have to admit I can't see this green glow? Is it the same sort of glow that Locke was supposed to have surrounding him when he was lying in the DHARMA pit? I know he was supposed to have a blue glow around him but I could never see it?

rthensley >
TO ME, it looks like there is a hallway to the leff of the sign. If so, the hallway probably leads to an exit. If so, it makes sense.


Yeah, I thought about that. But if you look at the room as a whole there doesn't appear to be anything much behind Abbadon either, so what sense is there to an EXIT sign in the middle of the room? If it were further down the room, towards that stuff stacked up, I wouldn't have thought anything of it. But where it is seems very deliberate to me.
Here are the ScreenCaps again : Behind Naomi. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107313&fullsize=1) Behind Abbadon. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-572.html)


However, there does appear to be an obvious change in color in her shirt.


Yeah, but rt, you've got to look at . . . Oh, you agreed with me on something ! :shock:
Just joking. So are you any more convinced that there's something to all of this madness?


Richardstone >
Isn't it a legal requirement to have EXIT signs in office buildings? It's a fire-saftey thing I think?


But, repeating myself, why in the middle of the room? And okay, this is probably madness, but my gut feeling tells me it probably says EXIT on both sides.


I have to admit I can't see this green glow? Is it the same sort of glow that Locke was supposed to have surrounding him when he was lying in the DHARMA pit? I know he was supposed to have a blue glow around him but I could never see it?


No, that Locke one was weird. As others also said, when I was watching the Ep I could have sworn I saw a small Blue glow round the wound, but I've never seen it again - watching the Ep again, looking at ScreenCaps . . .
No, this is completely visible, I think. Have you looked at the WebPage (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Beginning%20of%20the%20End.htm) I did for the Ep? The trees and "greenery" are excessively Green, I think. And also you can see a Green tinge to her hair and eyebrows. I don't think there's anything significant about that, I just think it might give us a clue as to how they made her T-Shirt Green. It obviously wasn't a different top, it must have been some kind of filter or editing.

Yeah, I thought about that. But if you look at the room as a whole there doesn't appear to be anything much behind Abbadon either, so what sense is there to an EXIT sign in the middle of the room? If it were further down the room, towards that stuff stacked up, I wouldn't have thought anything of it. But where it is seems very deliberate to me.
Here are the ScreenCaps again : Behind Naomi. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107313&fullsize=1) Behind Abbadon. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-572.html)

But, repeating myself, why in the middle of the room? And okay, this is probably madness, but my gut feeling tells me it probably says EXIT on both sides.
Trust me on this one... ;)

Yep, it probably says "EXIT" on both sides.

Imagine that room filled with cubicles, each occupied by one or more people...and the stairwell (and maybe, elevator) is located in the center of the building. There would have to be an exit sign for fire-and-other-emergency purposes (and it's also convenient for newcomers and visitors, and dare I say..."lost" people). You would think that there would be an arrow pointing, but in my experience, that is unusual. Please don't make us go research emergency exit signage laws. :biggrin:

That doesn't mean that there isn't a plot-related clue, though. I think this is yet another LOST thing that we're supposed to wonder about, and go "hmmmmm"...

But, repeating myself, why in the middle of the room? And okay, this is probably madness, but my gut feeling tells me it probably says EXIT on both sides.

Why is that madness, it would say EXIT on both sides so that everyone on that floor could see it?

Having just previewed my post after coming back from taking screencaps I see that TabbyRasa makes the same point.

No, this is completely visible, I think. Have you looked at the WebPage (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Beginning%20of%20the%20End.htm) I did for the Ep? The trees and "greenery" are excessively Green, I think. And also you can see a Green tinge to her hair and eyebrows. I don't think there's anything significant about that, I just think it might give us a clue as to how they made her T-Shirt Green. It obviously wasn't a different top, it must have been some kind of filter or editing.

I've not noticed it on the previous five viewings but I just watched that scene again and I can sort of see what you mean, I see a greenish colour around Kate's hair in particular, and I wonder if they used green lighting for that scene rather than boosting the green in post-production?

Is it possible that the green light on Naomi's face could be coming from the green light on the top of the satellite phone?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/Richardstone/Naomi.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/Richardstone/Naomi1.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/Richardstone/Naomi2.png

I think that's way too much green in Lucidity's pics to be caused by the satellite phone.

Am I the only one who didn't notice too much in the way of color tonight? Besides the red background behind Elsa's head in the cafe, and Hurley FINALLY pulling a con in his shirt, I didn't notice too much new in the way of color. Anyone else?

I watched CD in HD when it was re-aired. The EXIT Sign looks to be on the green side. The more interesting thing to me was the green glow around Naomi and not around Matthew A.
It does not show up in the screencaps.

I'm just about to watch The Economist now, so nothing to say about that yet.

Tabby and Richard,
Regarding the sign, if there were an exit in the centre of the room, to the left, as we see it, of that sign, then it would make sense and it would be logical to have EXIT on both sides. To be honest, that simply wasn't a possibility that had occurred to me. I was thinking that the only possible exit would be down the bottom of the room, where all the junk is, and so it didn't make sense to have the sign so central to the room, or for it to have EXIT on both sides, the exit only being in one direction from there. But yes, if there is an exit to the side of that table then it all makes sense. But I don't think there is an exit there. Or if it's an existing "room" and sign, they've deliberately placed the desk under that sign.

And thanks, Sam, for confirming the Green.

Regarding Naomi in Green, Richard. As Narrim has said, I think it would take a lot of light or filtering or whatever to turn a Grey T-Shirt Green. Green all over - under her arms, etc. But what I don't understand is how the faces, for example, don't go Green as well. Perhaps someone with a knowledge of filming and the like could help us out.

Sam G, do you have any insight on this?

And also, Sam, are you saying you noticed a Green glow around Naomi in the office too? I'll have to rewatch and look out for that.

Well, I'm off to watch The Economist. Let's see if they mention Christmas !

Once again I type a semi-long post and then lose my connection to the server. I will type this in Notepad and then paste it. Maybe that will work.

So are you any more convinced that there's something to all of this madness?

Honestly, I am still in the camp of Lost using colors to portray moods, and to make scenes more visually interesting. I agree 100% that Lost deliberately uses colors (just like most other TV shows). Lost may use colors more deliberately than 99% of all other TV shows. As far as the colors representing specific things (nature, health/safety, deception), or specific powers, I am still very much in the non-believing camp.

There was a previous post that mentioned an official Lost podcast where the costume designer talked about choosing for Jack to wear blue. That was a blatant, obvious use of a specific color for a specific character. According to the established code, the blue should have represented health/safety. But the costume desiner said he chose the blue color to show that Jack was emotionally in a dark, stressful situation. This goes totally against the established code.

The true believers in the code will dismiss this quote as a smokescreen designed to cover up the real usage of colors.

Does this quote totally disprove this theory. Of course not. But it is evidence that should be considered.

Earlier someone pointed out that Hurley pulled a con in his red shirt. You know this is an example of something that I have always had a problem with. Hurley has been wearing the red shirt for a few episodes with no obvious, overt cons. He finally does a con while wearing the shirt and it seems to me like that example was used to help support the theory. The previous 4 (I'm making that number up) episodes with Hurley in the red shirts and no overt cons occuring are dismissed.

I just had a thought about colors and powers. Obviously the Fab 4 have "powers". The producers went to great lengths to establish these powers. Wouldn't this have been the perfect time to introduce a color - powers link? I don't recall a blatant, obvious color usage. No way this disproves the theory. There just has been some discussion about if a color code exists, then the color connections should be becoming more prevelant and obvious. The introduction of the fab 4 would have been the perfect opportunity.

Luc,

The glow I'm talking about is in the office scene. Especially in the Extreme Close Ups of Naomi there is a green glow. I looked at the screen caps and it is not captured.

Hey, Lucidity - I am looking at screencaps from last night's eppy and noticed that the coffee shop that Sayid meets Elsa in is extremely RED...the walls are painted a deep, strong RED...

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1376-59.html

Earlier someone pointed out that Hurley pulled a con in his red shirt. You know this is an example of something that I have always had a problem with. Hurley has been wearing the red shirt for a few episodes with no obvious, overt cons. He finally does a con while wearing the shirt and it seems to me like that example was used to help support the theory. The previous 4 (I'm making that number up) episodes with Hurley in the red shirts and no overt cons occuring are dismissed.


I'm not dismissing the previous four episodes entirely, but if you look at everyone's wardrobe since the gambit with the White Rocks was enacted ("Greatest Hits" or "Through the Looking Glass"?), I don't think one person has changed their clothes. In fact, I don't think it's even been two full days since the Others got blown to hell by the Assassin, the Hitman, and the Dentist. Whether some of these plots were planned out in advance it's hard to say. Going by the way colors have played out so far as well as directly inferring The Sewing Kit into Lost's story, the red could have been set up specifically for this ruse, and maybe future mini-cons. That's all I'm saying.

But I just want to really point out that everyone's wardrobe has been the same for episodes. We may see some different outfits next week now that a few of our Losties have been on the beach for maybe half a day, but those of Locke's camp will be wearing the same smelly rags until they finally settle down and that speaks a lot to what colors mean over a longer period of time than we're used to.

I need to catch up on posts, but I did skim them, and I don't think that anyone mentioned the final scene with Ben treating Sayid's bullet wound...

The set was pretty much absent of color except for the multiple blue lights (fits the theory) and one jar of red liquid. Perhaps the jar represents Ben's deception...or Sayid's...hmmmm. :biggrin:

Sam,
There's a YouTube video of the 2 Abbadon scenes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLXdmR4NiJ0) and you can't see any glow there either. I'll keep my eye out for a HQ vid and check it out.

Juniebun,
Yeah, there was a lot of Red around this Ep (as there has been in all of the Eps so far this Season), but that Café wall was really Red ! I think the Red we've been seeing has a different meaning to Deception. There was that Red "Future" paint at Desmond's - perhaps it's somehow connected to the Future. Though Red = Deception would, of course, work very well for this scene. The other thing was Sayid wearing Purple (Love) when he meets Elsa. I think she's wearing something Purple-ish too.

But Red's clearly the FF Colour.

Narrim,
Well said about the wardrobe and potential "long-term meanings". I'm not sure what Hurley's Red is about - if it was because of his con today or something else - but it's definitely weird. He was in Red in his FF too.

Tabby,
I'll look up that Blue in the final scene. As you say, it would fit perfectly. And the Red, like I've been saying, I think it has a different meaning to what we had imagined. That, or something I've been wondering indepedently of the Colours, the Future we're seeing isn't real - which would explain the Red / "Deception" everywhere.

I haven't had a chance to do the WebPage for The Economist yet, but I'll include all these bits and pieces there when I do it. Probably tomorrow morning.


rthensley >
There was a previous post that mentioned an official Lost podcast where the costume designer talked about choosing for Jack to wear blue. That was a blatant, obvious use of a specific color for a specific character. According to the established code, the blue should have represented health/safety. But the costume desiner said he chose the blue color to show that Jack was emotionally in a dark, stressful situation. This goes totally against the established code.

The true believers in the code will dismiss this quote as a smokescreen designed to cover up the real usage of colors.

Does this quote totally disprove this theory. Of course not. But it is evidence that should be considered.


First off, pleeeeease don't start accusing us of ignoring evidence, etc. again. "The true believers in the code will dismiss this quote . . ." is just antagonistic. The Video was brought up here and I myself said that it was both good news (that there's a system) and bad news (because of the Jack thing). No-one dismissed it, so it's not fair to suggest we did, and, what's more, to decide the reasons we would have done so.

You can make points and question points made without making these sweeping statements about those of us who believe in all of this. All that negativity towards the end of the last Thread was just so draining.


I just had a thought about colors and powers. Obviously the Fab 4 have "powers". The producers went to great lengths to establish these powers. Wouldn't this have been the perfect time to introduce a color - powers link? I don't recall a blatant, obvious color usage. No way this disproves the theory. There just has been some discussion about if a color code exists, then the color connections should be becoming more prevelant and obvious. The introduction of the fab 4 would have been the perfect opportunity.


I agree. I've got to look at everything more carefully yet, so I might be wrong on some of this, but Charlotte has got some Orange to her clothes now, I think. And I don't think it was there before. And I just noticed this Ep that Miles' hood has a Purple tone to it. But like I say, those were just things I noticed watching for the first time. I haven't even paused the video to look properly. But even if I'm right, it's hardly the "game-changer" we're talking about. But on the other hand, they're yet to do anything spectacular Power-wise, so there's still time. And let's not forget that the mere fact that they have Powers should give credit to this Thread. A year ago the suggestion that anyone on Lost might have Powers was laughable to many, but we stuck to our guns and here we are talking about the "Fantastic Four".



Thanks for posting, everyone. :thumbsup:

Lots of red in this epi...I agree, this seems to confirm the deception correlation.

I've finally put together my observations for The Economist (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Economist.htm). I hope you'll all take a look. I think the last one ("Red Man's Religion") is particularly interesting. Ha, I bet that's intrigued you all, hasn't it? I'll give you a clue - it's the book that Sayid touches at Ben's.

And if you haven't seen the pages for the other Eps and you want to the links are in my Sig.

Some color observations: to add to the red observations in the bar/coffee shop scene, Sayid passes a bunch of people drinking red beverages before he sits down with Elsa (if that wasn't her name, sorry!). I couldn't find any screen shots of it, but I was struck as I watched it.
Also, she wears a purple robe (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1376-458.html) after she has told Sayid she loves him. And then there is a distinct red lighting (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1376-464.html)behind her as we begin to discover the double deception going on.
And for what it's worth, here's a shot of Sayid holding a very red fake passport (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1376-355.html)belonging to Ben.

BeLu,
Yeah, I noticed the Red cups at the Café. There's just so much Red everywhere in the FFs, I don't know what's going on. And I was going to mention Elsa's robe, but wasn't 100% sure it was Purple. I'll add it to the page now I know someone else agrees it's Purple. I hadn't noticed the Coloured lighting though - I was too busy looking for anything Green !

Thanks. :thumbsup:

We have a BIG one in the latest Promo for Eggtown.:jump1:

Kate was in Blue last time we saw her in the Future in Looking Glass (Kate meeting Jack (http://images.lostpedia.com/images/0/05/3x23_FutureKate.jpg)). And she's in Blue again.

If you have been Spoiled for Eggtown there's not too much new here, if not, well, up to you.

At her courtcase she's wearing Blue under her jacket. And as we know, she's free in the Future and raising Aaron. So, either another big coincidence or we really are onto something. Here's the screencap (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R7ea123EgAI/AAAAAAAAT2Y/5o0mfsl_3N0/s1600-h/Eggtown+Promo+2+(US).flv_000005600.jpg), and here's Dark's section for the video (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/02/episode-404-eggtown-abc-promo.html). There's also something very Orange (http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R7ea1G3Ef8I/AAAAAAAAT14/IVBpU0FQ4s0/s1600-h/Eggtown+Promo+2+(US).flv_000008233.jpg) behind her when she does whatever it is she does to get free. Any ideas what that is or what she's doing? I think she's with Miles.

Orange behind her, Blue in the future . . .

Other things that I noticed in the episode - Sayid has a red towel attached to his golf bad. Also, the flag at the hole that he and the guy that he kills are shooting at is red...

Yeah, I mentioned the Red towel on the "The Economist" page. Have you seen these pages, Junie? I put ScreenCaps of different things from each Ep so that you can see it all at a glance.

So far :
The Beginning of the End (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Beginning%20of%20the%20End.htm)
Confirmed Dead (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Confirmed%20Dead.htm)
The Economist (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Economist.htm)

Anyway, yeah, that Red towel stuck out like a sore thumb. I wish I knew what's going on with all the Red. I hadn't noticed the Red flag though. I'll have to watch again.

In Confirmed Dead red and yellow flags around the polar bear skeleton.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107118&fullsize=1

Looking back at ML
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=62517&fullsize=1 - nice green glow

The Economist

The houses in Otherville are very Yellow.

Sam,
Yeah, Confirmed Dead, and the other Eps this Season, really, just had too many Reds to mention. There was also a Red bucket right by the dig, if I remember rightly. Red at the house Miles visits. It's everywhere. I really think that Red "Future" paint is a clue to what is going on, but, at the same time, I think that the other connections we've seen for Red (Deception / Perception and Smokey) might also be tied in to it all.

So, Future + Deception / Perception + Smokey = What?
The only thing I've come up with so far is that the Future we're seeing isn't real.

The Maternity Leave one is very cool, definitely be adding that to the Green page. I had already noted that when Sun and Juliet go there everything is lit in Green, but I hadn't spotted this one. So, we've seen it at 3 different times. Once with pregnant Claire and it was Green. Once with pregnant Sun and it was Green. And once with Kate and Claire, after Aaron was born, and no Green in sight. Very cool. :cool:

There have been 4 very cool bits recently that I want everyone to be aware of, so I'm going to give a recap :

1) Naomi's T-Shirt was made Green for her Death scene (see the 4.01 link in my Sig).
2) When those pictures change the main one changes from Red to Blue - could this be connected to all the Red in the FFs? (4.02 link).
3) The book Sayid grabs is "Red Man's Religion", next to the Qur'an (4.03 link).

4) In the Eggtown Promo we see Kate in Blue again in the FFs. And we all know why.
Remember, I predicted the Eggtown ending based on her Blue from Looking Glass, so this Blue holding up is huge support for the Theory.

I don't know if we've seen enough of the FF's yet. Some may be Red Paths and some may be the Blue Paths.

Looks like Sayid is on the Red FF Path. Is he trying to close off this pathway? The pathway that shouldn't exist.
Are Jack & Kate on the Blue FF Path?

Sam.
"Paths", I like that way of describing it. It's sort of the idea I've had in mind recently, but summed up in one word. I've been thinking about teams, but that's not really it, I don't think. I think it's more about a feeling, an allegiance, at most a choice. Like Sawyer being with Locke (both Greens at the moment) - I don't think they're in any way on the same team, but they both seem to share the feeling that the Island isn't something that needs escaping from. And I love the way they've subtlely built Sawyer up to that point. So, yes, "Paths" it is.

And totally off-topic, but I saw Henry Ian Cusick in Hitman last night. Cool film, and so funny to see "Desmond" with guns blazing. I wanted to find a screencap, but I didn't come up with anything.

Part of the reason i thought of this was something goddessblue brought up in Visual Inconsistencies http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=26190&page=22 towards the bottom, about Jack's beard. I noticed that they added gray hairs to Sayid's beard.

Hi All, two women in red this epi - one proven duplicitous and Sayid and his lady both in purple... my Other bought a shirt in that shade this Friday :biggrin: great stuff!

I was rewatching the Economist yesterday, and when Hurley has been "rescued" from the closet and is telling Kate, Sayid, and Miles what happened, Kate gives Hurley a blue mug of something, presumably to help sooth him and calm him down. Good old medical blue.
And Lucidity, I think you were searching for green around Elsa's death, and I found some - she's wearing green pants when she hops out of bed (why she's wearing pants and he's not, that's another question). They're only on screen for a couple seconds, but they are there and they are green.

The dress she put on is camouflage (lol)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=108127&fullsize=1 certainly has green in it.

That's interesting about the beards, Sam. Wonder what it could mean, if anything.

And nice catch, BeLu, on the Green trousers. They're definitely Green-ish, but I don't know if they're Green enough for it to be considered another Green Death. Not if we don't want rthensley to attack ( ;) ). Has anyone got a decent ScreenCap of the trousers to be able to look at the tone better. There's nothing on LostMedia. Also, I've read somewhere that what Sayid throws at the Mirror is actually a Snowglobe - how symbolic would that be ? ! ?
Oh, and the mug too. Classic "get better soon" Blue.

Liplocked,
If your better half bought something Purple either she loves you or she has Powers, possibly connected to Time Travel. Let us know which way it goes. :biggrin:

hmmm. what does a camouflage death mean?!
any relation to Desmond's tie-died rebirth? (only kind of serious!)
I don't know if I'd consider her dress to have green in it... at first I thought maybe, but it looks more teal to me. but then we get into the great debate over what teal is... a bluish green or a greenish blue? probably not worth the effort!

They're definitely Green-ish, but I don't know if they're Green enough for it to be considered another Green Death. Not if we don't want rthensley to attack ( ;) ).

Hey, I resemble that remark!

You are correct. I would have to question that connection. Like you pointed out many, many posts ago. Any color use would have to be blatant & obvious. I'm not sure if a couple of seconds would count.

My big question mark would be wondering if you would even have to apply the code to her. Something that was never worked out was who the code applies to. Only the main characters, or everyone.

BeLu >
hmmm. what does a camouflage death mean?!
any relation to Desmond's tie-died rebirth? (only kind of serious!)


The same thought crossed my mind. It's not very often we get these kinds of multi-Coloured patterns. Des was an abvious one. now Elsa, but Lapidus' shirt is a bit that way too. And there have been some flowery dresses. But not much more. Lapidus, especially, I think might have meaning. Here he is, ON- (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107296&fullsize=1) and OFF- (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107239&fullsize=1) Island. If Colours are Powers, he's Jacob or Jacob's brother or something.

rt,
I wouldn't have a problem with the fact that it was only on-screen for two seconds - they expect us to keep our eyes peeled. The reason it doesn't necessarily fall into the Colour pot is, as BeLu says, the Colour is a sort of Teal.

edit :
Just reading another Thread and it hit me, isn't the place where Sayid makes that first kill called "the Green"? :dead:

I wouldn't have a problem with the fact that it was only on-screen for two seconds - they expect us to keep our eyes peeled. The reason it doesn't necessarily fall into the Colour pot is, as BeLu says, the Colour is a sort of Teal

Fair enough.

I did not go back and look at the dress.

Something that was never worked out is who the code appies to. Everyone? Major characters?

I know this was discussed a long time ago. I'm just wondering what your current thoughts are.

Re: "the green"

Don't know if you play golf or not, but "the green" is the place on the golf course with the hole & flag. If this is where Sayid made his kill, then "the green" would make perfect sense in a non-color related way.

Yes, the greens on a golf course are close to the holes - literally where the grass seems greener. Mr. Junie is a major golfer. Interesting catch, Lucidity, about the greens, but I think that Sayid and his "target" weren't quite on the greens, yet...however...some people call any part of the course the greens, so technically, you could be right...

By the way, I'm on the side that thinks that the weirdness with the grey hair in the guys' beards means something, even if it's something small. Does it mean different versions of the scenes that we're seeing? I think that things happen on the Island in a fluid kind of a way, so maybe the past, present and future is constantly changing and it's affecting the guys' beards and how much grey is in them?

Kind of stretching it, but the grey in a guy's beard represents experience, I thought...how does that fit into the story???

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107688&fullsize=1 Arriving in the golf-cart of death (well... death for him)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107705&fullsize=1 Sayid in dark blue

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107707&fullsize=1 and 7 or 8 sprinklers going off
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=107708&fullsize=1

Okay, never been a golfer - I was a rugby man, total opposites. So, not really "the green" after all. As I said, I was reading another Thread and someone said something about "the Green" and I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 23. Oh, well. But the golf cart was Green enough anyway.

On a different note, I really appreciate that people have started posting again, but I get the feeling that people aren't looking at these pages I put together for each Ep. Is that not a popular idea? I have no problem going back to linking screencaps, if people prefer. This just seemed a better idea - only one link, and more importantly, the link stays the same, while with Lostmedia, for example, a month or so later you click on it and it doesn't work or brings up a different picture. And, when you're discussing a point you don't have to keep putting in the link, it's there in my Sig the whole time. I just thought it was a better plan, but let me know if you think it's a bad idea for whatever reason.

For example, in the last Ep (link is in my Sig :rolleyes: ) there was this "Red Man's Religion" thing which I think might be a huge Easter Egg from the Writers and no-one seems to have noticed it.

But I'm not complaining, I just want to know what people prefer.

No worries about the golf comments, Lucidity...Mr. Junie is a bigger guy and he might look like a rugby player, but he doesn't know that much about it...I had some friends in college that played it, though, and it was rough...bloody eyes! And not all the players were big - just tough!

Anyways...I didn't notice the Season Four stuff next to your signature until now. Sorry about that. Got a cold. Or, it's a blonde issue...lol...anyways, I do think that eppy 3 was a lot about deception so it isn't strange to see red as the most noticeable color...I also like the idea that the golf cart was green...the golf cart of death...good one, Sam...not all golf carts are green...Mr. Junie would shoot himself in the foot instead of take one...it's a pride thing, I guess, but maybe he's better off not taking one, especially a green one...

I'm interested in seeing what colors will become more commonly associated with the Four Freighties. I think they're going to be majorly important to the storyline...

As far as putting screencaps in the posts versus in a link in your signature, either way is fine with me. I don't have a preference...
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Hey...I just saw some promotional pictures for 4.6, which is a Juliet eppy. Juliet is wearing what I think is a blue tank top...

Thanks for answering (regarding the webpages), Junie.
Perhaps what I should do is insist a bit more with the links to those pages until everyone that's going to come on board this Season is aware of them. I definitely think it's neater that way. Everyone can still add links via Lostmedia, and then the interesting ones will get embedded on the page directly and they won't go missing.

Here they are again :
The Beginning of the End (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Beginning%20of%20the%20End.htm)
Confirmed Dead (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/Confirmed%20Dead.htm)
The Economist (http://www.lucidity.es/The%20Sewing%20Kit/The%20Economist.htm)


Mr. Junie is a bigger guy and he might look like a rugby player, but he doesn't know that much about it...I had some friends in collage that played it, though, and it was rough...bloody eyes! And not all the players were big - just tough!


The cool thing with rugby is that each position requires a different build and balance of power vs speed, so really there's a position for just about everyone. And what's funny is that when you see a team for the first time you can tell which player plays each position just from their build. I'm really proud to have been one of the players that broke the mould on my position, changing it from "big" to "big-ish but fast-ish", to put it simply. Good times.

Lucidity, I think your pages serve as a good summary, but I really like being able to add observations and examples here as well. In my mind, this is the forum where we hash things out and then it gets summarized on one page on your site. There's room for both. I have been going to check them out, so please keep it up! I particularly like the various color box-thingies (technical term) you put around the pictures. Looks great!

ETA: about the "Red Man's Religion" - interesting title. I'm forgeting what the book is about... is it about Islam? Anyone know more about it?

ETA again:
Here's the rest of the book title: "Beliefs and Practices of the Indians North of Mexico"
and the description from Amazon:

Among the topics considered in this classic study are world origins and supernatural powers, attitudes toward the dead, the medicine man and shaman, hunting and gathering rituals, war and planting ceremonies, and newer religions, such as the Ghost Dance and the Peyote Religion.

"The distinctive contribution of [Red Man's Religion] is the treatment of topics, the insight and the perspective of the author, and her ability to transmit these to the reader. . . . Trais and aspects of religion are not treated as abstract entitites, to be enumerated and summated, assigned a geographic distribution, and then abandoned. No page is a dry recital; each is an illumination. Insight and wisdom are framed in poetic prose. An offering of information in such a medium merits gratitude."—American Anthropologist

BeLu >
Lucidity, I think your pages serve as a good summary, but I really like being able to add observations and examples here as well. In my mind, this is the forum where we hash things out and then it gets summarized on one page on your site. There's room for both.


Oh yeah, totally. That whole WebSite is an extension of this Thread not some kind of replacement for it. My plan is that I put all of my initial observations on the Page, and everyone else adds theirs here, through screencaps, and then, when I do the next page for the next Ep I will also add any additional bits that have come up here from the previous Ep over the course of the week, take some out, etc. It's just that I was getting the impression that people weren't even looking at those pages because a lot of the things people were bringing up were already on there, and other cool things, like the "Red Man" book weren't even getting mentioned.

But like I said last night, please, everyone, don't take this as some kind of complaint - I was just wondering if people didn't like going to those pages for some reason, or something like that.

And I only intend that as an initial "first post" from me, but then for all the usual discussion of things here - "that doesn't look Green to me", "I think that's just coincidence", etc., and then I'll update the page accordingly. What goes on there isn't final, let's say.

The "Red Man's Religion" thing I think is interesting because it is the one book that Sayid goes to, and it just happens to be right next to the only truly visible book on the shelf, the Qur'an, the book of Sayid's religion. I think that indirectly they're saying that Sayid is a Red Man. This would be huge for this Thread - first confirming Sayid's Colour, but waaaaay more importantly, confirming that the Losties have Colours associated with them (especially as the book is partly about Powers). I think either it's a huge coincidence, or a huge Sewing Kit-aimed Easter Egg.

Yay for the pointer to the links in your sig - I see your new stuff now. The pages look great, dead guy's red shoe nice and clear.

Those flowers in the paintings are irises : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_(plant)#Art (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_%28plant%29#Art)

I hadn't even noticed those Red shoes ! I was so happy about the Green golfcart. Hmmm, the last time we saw Red shoes was in Hawking's "Course Correction" speech - is that what Sayid is doing perhaps; Course Correcting?

edit :
Off topic, but I'm so excited I've got to post it somewhere. In this interview (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/02/damon-and-carlton-talk-to-doc-jensen.html) Darlton confirm that Time Travel is coming Lost's way. Here's my take on the Time issue : 1879 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=88923). So was Sayid's mission in the Past or Future?

Could be course correcting ...but I'll start wondering about retro-causality post reading that interview so I think I'll settle for a chorus of # Ding Dong! the Witch is dead. for now. ;)

Watch out, everyone, for Kate in Blue tonight. I know we get at least one shot of her in Blue, but I'm hoping there'll be even more.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1376-477.html Watching this in HD the bathroom has a very orange glow.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=108197&fullsize=1 The helicopter also had a green glow inside
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I hate it when Lost-media cuts off the beginning of the episode. When Locke is going down to the basement, the walls are painted green and blue. Top green bottom blue.

Lots of red in this episode, Sun, Hurley and Kate in red

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-148.html - Boathouse all brown with a huge piece of red.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-147.html red wire or pipe
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=109005&fullsize=1 - Claire has on a little Love Purple when talking about Aaron

Here are my observations for Eggtown. There continues to be a lot of red. Maybe the box set for this season will be red... it's the predominate color so far.
There was of course Kate's red prison outfit (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-164.html)(aren't they usually orange?).
And she was in rather harsh/angular looking white (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-54.html)and grey (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-248.html)/black (maybe a bluish shirt?) for her trial. More black (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-768.html). At one point there's white, red and blue/gray/black all in one scene (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-505.html)with her mom. Later she's in blue (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-477.html)on-island.

I don't know if this is significant, but the state flag behind Jack as he is lying under oath has red (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-321.html)in it.

Sun is in red (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-77.html). Is this the same one she's been in for a while? Can't remember.

This is the whitest white we've seen on Locke (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-108.html)in a while. Hurrah for clean clothes! (Glad to see my favorite hamster painting in the background again, it's been too long)

Hurley is still in that red shirt.

Sawyer offers Kate some lovely red wine. (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-365.html)

And the cards (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-601.html)are red for the memory (?) experiment with Daniel and Charlotte.

Lot's of color in Aaron's (http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-875.html)room. And Kate's shirt looks much more purple in this light.

Okay, that turned out to be much more than I anticipated!

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=109306&fullsize=1 all the law books are red and green
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=109527&fullsize=1 purple again

The books on the judge's stand were red and green too.

Yes, Kate's really red prison shirt stood out to me. I've never seen a prison shirt that red, although I've never been to prison. I thought that she was wearing a dark blue shirt in court...

By the way, how about the white-ish cut-outs handing above Aaron's bed? Were they holding hands? The poster named Me noticed that they had four toes and posted that in another thread...

Yes, Kate's really red prison shirt stood out to me. I've never seen a prison shirt that red, although I've never been to prison. I thought that she was wearing a dark blue shirt in court...

By the way, how about the white-ish cut-outs handing above Aaron's bed? Were they holding hands? The poster named Me noticed that they had four toes and posted that in another thread...
Junie, the cut-outs have 3 toes.

Teal stood out for me: Kate wore a silk blouse in that colour, Jack's shirt in the basement was very similar (think Sayid and his lady last week) and her nanny's uniform was a lighter shade of what I would say was the same colour.

Greeny blue or bluey green though is up to you.

I see green.

I saw "teal"l also.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-519.html and pants. Same earrings, no necklace.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=109568&fullsize=1 jack's teal

This color doesn't seem great for screen caps, especially, Kate's satin blouse
Her blouse varies in what the color appears to be very subtly from brown to eggplant. Some people saw it as black.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-763.html

(Kate had that jacket that changed from green to purple when she visited her mother in the hospital.) Going to watch the streaming video and see what I see. The color in Kate's blouse is really hard to nail.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=109663&fullsize=1 When her mom visited it was teal, I thought they only broke for recess but???

Kate's black basement blouse looks purple to me - does it change in the way to Aaron? I don't know. it did appear black to me at first. But it's dark down there so...

love 'eggplant' as a colour though :biggrin: how apt for this epi. being English I saw 'aubergine' which doesn't work at all.

Oh, and lots of chains for Kate.

Hi, everyone. Thanks for posting your observations. I've got loads of bits and pieces (many of which have already been brought up by you guys), but I haven't had time to put it all together yet. I probably will tomorrow some time.

But meanwhile, I wanted to respond to some of these points and bring up some others for discussion.

Kate's Aubergine Eggplant blouse stood out for me too because Eggplant being a shade of Purple it worked perfectly with the two Jack scenes she wore it in. And she was also in Purple when she slept with Sawyer. So, Purple is definitely going to be Love, I think. It was comforting too, because all of this Red in the Future has had me thinking that perhaps we were wrong about incidental meanings like Danger and Love.

Again, Red everywhere. As BeLu mentioned, Sun is now in Red too, as is Hurley, who we know is among the O6, so I think we're going to get a connection there too. And Red in the boathouse.

Oh, and Red for Perception popped up again - again, already mentioned by BeLu, the playing cards the Freighties were using for their tests were Red.

Another really blatant Red was Kate's prison jumpsuit. Strange choice in itself, but I think we might be able to get some sense of its meaning from the scene with Kate and her mum where it was placed right in the middle of the table. I think we were seeing that that scene was Kate moving on from the Red. Or not, because her house had all the Red going on too. The Craphole-style flowers out front, and then the Red piano in that picture (as Sam brought up elsewhere, it matches the fridge magnet at Tom Brennan's) and the weird picture with the Red bike (reminded me of the Red bike in the Orchid vid) and some playing cards which are similar but not the same as Faraday's. So, Red at Kate's surrounding Aaron - does the Island have him or something?

Also on-Island Aaron is still in Blue but Claire wasn't - foreshadowing the change perhaps?

As for the Teal being Green or Blue question, there have been tow specific occasions when I'd have hoped / expected Green and we got Teal, so IF it does mean Blue or Green in the Lost Colour Scheme I'd say Green. Those occasions were one Death and one Life. When Sceve was killed and wrapped in the blanket there was something tied round the blanket in a sort of Teal Colour (I think it was Sam G that spotted that one), so Green would be good there. And the first time we saw Claire noticably pregnant was at the hospital visiting her mum and she was wearing a Turquoise / Teal dress.

Anyway, just wanted to put some ideas out there. I'll get the screencaps together soon.

Hang on: 'egg', 'plant' ...is Claire a surrogate?

Hang on: 'egg', 'plant' ...is Claire a surrogate?


There is another thread that talks about the book VALIS (or whatever it is called) and how the child is the product of two otherwordly/alien beings.

The thread also links to a picture of the original cover of the book that shows a child on the cover.