I just read the script to another mobisode on another site. It was with Juliet and Michael while Michael was still with the Others...it sounded very good...

I just read the script to another mobisode on another site. It was with Juliet and Michael while Michael was still with the Others...it sounded very good...

Ooo - Junie, what site?

Just watched on my phone. Here's a synopsis.

Seems to occur soon after Michael requests a boat while in the Other's captivity. Juliet enters his tent and tells his that the boat has been arranged. She tells him that she has spent time with Walt and that he is special, and that she is happy that he is going to be able to leave the island. Juliet tells him about how she made a deal with Ben to save her sister's life, to which Mike replies "What's the point in saving in her life if you can't even see her?". Juliet responds, "Wouldn't you do anything to save Walt?"

I really like seeing that last line, as it kind of adds more credibility to the actions Michael does take to get his son back. The one thing I don't like about the mobisode is the fact that Juliet pretty much tells Michael that Ben is in charge of the others. This kind of ruins the great little moment in the S2 finale where Michael looks in disbelief when 'Henry Gale' is revealed to be the Others' leader, since he should have already known about that according to this episode.

Overall, easily the best of the mobisodes thus far, but still nothing spectacular.

Yeah, it's pretty cool.
_____ has the usual initial low-quality recording available here (Link removed. Didn't know we weren't allowed to link.)

I'm guessing the main point is to set up what some have been suggesting already - Michael was given a deal : you can save Walt but you'll have to stay (as in the deal Juliet describes to save her sister).

For us Power-obsessives, it's also interesting that Juliet wants to get Walt away from the Island because he's Special. She's clearly not on the same side as Ben, and Ben and the Others want "Special children", so I wonder what her concern is. That Ben / The Island would eventually turn Walt into something, or perhaps that Ben would kill Walt rather than risk him usurping his leadership?

Yeah, it's pretty cool.
has the usual initial low-quality recording available
Regarding your link, make sure you read this (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/announcement.php?f=376&a=47) anouncement.

Oh, thanks, OKwith. :thumbsup:
I had no idea. And the last thing I need is more points ! :biggrin:

I've edited my post now.

hmm.

some re-enforcement of the idea that walt is special in a way that the others are specifically looking for.

couldnt see any number code as yet - anyone know ?

My first post! I have been enjoying everyone else's comments about the mobisodes for a while, though. When I watched the latest mobisode, the following lines really stood out to me:


M – But you had to stay? What’s the point saving her life if you can’t be with her?
J – Wouldn’t you do anything to save Walt?


I wonder if this is setting up Michael's possible redemption in future seasons.

Spoilerfonting until it is up on ABC, right?

Ok, things I loved - just having a scene with the two of them, who were never on the show at the same time.

Mention of Bea (she called her Beatrice) - nice reminder that the character existed

Hint that Michael's situation parallels Juliet's - maybe he actually knows at some point that he won't actually get to be with Walt, just as Juliet can't be with her sister. But of course he'd do anything for his son anyway.

Interesting. So Juliet wasn't just in on the plot to kidnap Jack, Kate, and Sawyer; she knew about Walt and Michael, too. I'd had a sense that there were essentially two groups of others: the book-club Others, who didn't know about most of Ben's nastier deeds, and the muscle, like Mr. Friendly and Ms. Klugh, who did Ben's dirty work. I guess Juliet was closer to the latter group than I realized. I wonder if Juliet will yet double-cross the Losties.

Best mobisode yet, in my opinion.

I haven't seen it but she did say that she was off the day Michael was taken to the Others, I believe.

Guinivere,
I think she joked about having had the day off when Hurley asked why she hadn't been at the Pala Pier.


beth78 >
My first post!


Welcome to the Fuselage, Beth. :thumbsup:

I think that most of the Others were told that the kids were taken for their own good, etc. However, that was only the cover story. I think that Ben is using the kids as a pool of possible power conductors of sorts. When a kid like Walt pops up within the group of kids, I think that Ben eventually uses them like some sort of Island power conductor - something like that - and Juliet knows this...

And, I think...Juliet did a lot of blinking in the conversation, that was something that I noticed. She had several long blinks in the conversation, which would indicate lying of some sort to me...
Sometimes, I get the feeling that the Losties' morals are being tested...

Juliet here really personifies the duplicity of the Others.
She's taking the "good cop" role in the re-education of Michael, following Bea Klugh's "bad cop" role in threatening him with never seeing Walt again if he didn't get Ben set free and bring the four Losties on the list to them. She claims that she is not the enemy -- just like Colleen did to Sun on the sailboat -- and perhaps here there's a kernel of truth in it, because her aim is the same as Michael's - to get off the island. But for all practical purposes she's still the enemy and one of his captors.

This also shows how misguided (in my opinion) Michael's morals and values are:

M – Then why are you still here?
J – Because he saved my sister’s life.
M – And where is she?
J – Miami.
M – But you had to stay? What’s the point saving her life if you can’t be with her?
J – Wouldn’t you do anything to save Walt?


So according to Michael, a loved one is only worth saving if you can spend your own time to enjoy being with them? What parent would say that? I think most would choose to save their child's life even if it meant not ever seeing them again. Even Juliet understands that and chose that course when pushed. His attitude is pretty self-centered and reflects on his lack of respect for the dignity of other people's lives throughout the coming ordeal, as he kills them as tools to achieve his mission.

Very interesting from a Juliet perspective. Some things of note:


* Juliet spent time with Walt, probably while evaluating from a scientific/medical perspective.

* Juliet's desire to "save" her sister clearly clouded her moral judgment.

* It seems obvious that not all of the Others were involved in heinous activities. In other words, there appears to have been an Others community roughly parallel to the DI. A small, close-knit group of Others who were Ben's lackies who did his dirty work, and a group of people (such as the Book Club?) who were relatively ignorant. I wouldn't be surprised if this group was recruited under the guise of being part of the DI. That could have helped Ben facilitate the ruse to the outside world (observers) that the DI was still active. That would explain the continued food drops until 77 was entered..

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My first post! I have been enjoying everyone else's comments about the mobisodes for a while, though. When I watched the latest mobisode, the following lines really stood out to me:


M – But you had to stay? What’s the point saving her life if you can’t be with her?
J – Wouldn’t you do anything to save Walt?


I wonder if this is setting up Michael's possible redemption in future seasons.

Well, I'm sure Michael (if put to task) would like to sell that bill of goods to the Losties, but whose buying? My guess is Mike bites it at the hands of Cerberus.

So, at this point, can we say that we have any idea as to what Ben's real objective is, what his end goal really is? It seems that it has to be more than simply self-preservation - not that that's a minor thing...

ETA: I think that the comments we see by Michael are coming more from a totally drained man. I know that his comments don't make it seem that his moral judgement is that great, and it doesn't seem to be, but I think we also have to keep in mind that we're seeing someone seriously at his wits' end...

I think that we'd all like to say that we'd do things differently than Michael, but I don't know if we can truly answer that unless we got the chance to do it...I'm not excusing his actions, but rather, looking for a reason...

I think Ben was afraid that Walt could eventually take over leadership from him, because of his specialness. After all, Richard showed great interest in Ben because he'd seen his dead mother on the island. I think the way of Jacob and the Hostiles is always to appoint as leader someone that is special and can tap into / communicate with the island. Children are preferable because they can be groomed and it's widely believed in pseudo-science that people who are born with such specialness sometimes see their talents repressed (involuntarily) by their education. (This just gave me an idea, what if Ben himself is purposely causing the pregnancy problem so that no new Messiah can come to substitute him? All his efforts to apparently restore fertility on the island would be a great charade)

Ben's "Walt problem" got resolved by the deal his people struck with Michael, and he got to go back and criticize them for that (he said he wasn't happy about the deal in the Pala Ferry pier) while secretly rejoicing over the fact that Walt was now out of the way. Ben probably saw this as a sign that he still had Jacob's / the island's favor.

Then people turned to Locke, and Ben decided to take care of that problem all by himself. I think Ben is quite intoxicated with power.

Juliet, having figured out that Walt's life is in danger because his mere existence threatens Ben's leadership position (talk about a biblical reference, BTW), is glad that Michael has found a way to remove Walt from the island. As ruthless as she is, I don't think Juliet will sanction the murder of a child by Ben.

So, at this point, can we say that we have any idea as to what Ben's real objective is, what his end goal really is? It seems that it has to be more than simply self-preservation - not that that's a minor thing...

ETA: I think that the comments we see by Michael are coming more from a totally drained man. I know that his comments don't make it seem that his moral judgement is that great, and it doesn't seem to be, but I think we also have to keep in mind that we're seeing someone seriously at his wits' end...

I think that we'd all like to say that we'd do things differently than Michael, but I don't know if we can truly answer that unless we got the chance to do it...I'm not excusing his actions, but rather, looking for a reason...

It's clear to me that Ben is privy to some information that we're not as it pertains to rthe big scheme of things. We know:

* He was brought the Island as a youth and facilitated the destruction of the DI.

* Has knowledge of and contact with Jacob (whatever/whoever he is).

* Is involved in "side-projects" that certain members of the Others (such as Richard) has little regard for.

* Maintains a close network of cronies while wielding a *loose* iron rod over the Others.

* Is involved in the recruiting and transport of certain desirables to the Island.

* Is desperate to protect the Island from outside interests at all costs.

* Visualizes a threat emerging that will threaten the Island and his place on it.

* Has a wierd moral compass.

In the end, the reality of who Ben really is and what is his ultimate agenda is is probably much differant than the clues we've been given. I'm sure the reveal will be shocking.

So, what is the real purpose of taking the kids and finding out which ones are "special"? There might be another kid in the group that ends up more powerful than Ben. Perhaps it is for two different reasons, but what is Ben telling the Others the reason for keeping the kids is and what is, if it's different, the real reason? If Walt was a threat to Ben, why didn't Ben just say that the Island wanted Walt dead and kill Walt himself? I guess because Locke is an adult, it was easier for Ben to try and kill him? I wonder if Ben thought that the Island might help Locke recover from the shooting or did he figure that it would be beyond even the Island's ability to help - like the Island speeds up a sprained ankle, broken leg, arrow through your lung and cancer, but not something that's immediately fatal?
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In the end, the reality of who Ben really is and what is his ultimate agenda is is probably much differant than the clues we've been given. I'm sure the reveal will be shocking.
Yep. I agree. Will we find out that Ben's ultimate agenda is so important that what he does to achieve it is irrelevent and or a "necessary evil"? Is he fighting some kind of war where he knows and accepts that there will be multiple casualities and lots of manipulation and lots of both will be done by him? Or, will we find out that he is even more of a baddie that it currently looks like now?

So, what is the real purpose of taking the kids and finding out which ones are "special"? There might be another kid in the group that ends up more powerful than Ben. Perhaps it is for two different reasons, but what is Ben telling the Others the reason for keeping the kids is and what is, if it's different, the real reason? If Walt was a threat to Ben, why didn't Ben just say that the Island wanted Walt dead and kill Walt himself? I guess because Locke is an adult, it was easier for Ben to try and kill him? I wonder if Ben thought that the Island might help Locke recover from the shooting or did he figure that it would be beyond even the Island's ability to help - like the Island speeds up a sprained ankle, broken leg, arrow through your lung and cancer, but not something that's immediately fatal?

All we have to do is go back to how Richard Alpert outlines Ben's destiny during their fateful meeting in the jungle when Ben was a kid. Richard saw something special in Ben but emphasized that Ben would need to be patient in order to fulfill his destiny. What if Ben is playing similar games with some of the kids he comes into contact with? Or, perhaps Ben is playing a Pharoah/Herod angle with the children and is seeking to contain their "threat" but keeping close tabs on the "special" ones, perhaps waiting for the right time to eliminate them? I would think his warped sense of right or would prevent the execution of children, but who knows?

Or, perhaps Ben is playing a Pharoah/Herod angle with the children and is seeking to contain their "threat" but keeping close tabs on the "special" ones, perhaps waiting for the right time to eliminate them?

That's the biblical refernce I was thinking off!!

Like he's teaching them not to be a threat to the Island? Like he's saving them from themselves? Somehow, though, I could see Ben trying to usurp their powers and take some for himself...

I'm thinking more toward the Herod reference: When Jesus was born, word got to Herod that a new Messiah, would be born and that he would be King of the Jews (Jesus was a descendant from King David). Since Herod didn't know who the mother of the child would be, he decided to kill all the children, and pregnant women, so that the Messiah couldn't "usurp" his powers. This decree was in place when Joseph and Mary were traveling to Bethlehem for the census, so, Mary had to hide her belly.

Ben was keeping up appearances by kidnapping children, it was what the Hostiles' culture indicated, but secretly, he was probably plotting a way to get rid of any child that could potentially challenge his leadership.

Ben was keeping up appearances by kidnapping children, it was what the Hostiles' culture indicated, but secretly, he was probably plotting a way to get rid of any child that could potentially challenge his leadership.

i've always thought that this was why he let walt go, because he saw him as a threat. ben didnt make the deal to release him but im sure he would have manipulated the situation to avoid letting him go if that wasnt what he wanted.

walt wasnt amenable to coercion

Walt wasn't, but Michael was, and probably some of the other children were...

In other words, Ben wasn't getting the Others to kidnap the children for the Greater Good or for their own good, but for his own good! To prevent his successor from usurping power!

Does this mean that Walt is his successor? Does Ben's successor have to be a child? Was Jacob someone that Ben was threatened by, but was able to capture and keep under control - somewhat under control?

Guinivere,
I think she joked about having had the day off when Hurley asked why she hadn't been at the Pala Pier.
Sometimes, with her, it's hard to tell, Luc, and that way she said it made me think that she really was "off" or busy that day and maybe didn't know what was going on until later.

Welcome to the Fuselage, Beth. :thumbsup:
:shesaid: Hope you enjoy the 'Lage as much as I do, Beth! :wave:

Walt wasn't, but Michael was, and probably some of the other children were...

In other words, Ben wasn't getting the Others to kidnap the children for the Greater Good or for their own good, but for his own good! To prevent his successor from usurping power!

Does this mean that Walt is his successor? Does Ben's successor have to be a child? Was Jacob someone that Ben was threatened by, but was able to capture and keep under control - somewhat under control?

I think you've hit on something, Juniebug! However, I think Jacob might have seen Ben as the theat and made a move to eliminate him and was caught in his own trap somehow. Either scenario though is so workable and would make a fantastic story.

This one was great, I liked it. Nice to see Juliet interact with Michael. I guess all the theories that she talked him into killing Ana are out.

But this is the second time they want us to know Ana/Libby will be killed off shortly after this scene, I wonder if theres a reason for that.

Guinevere: Never thought of stuff that way. You might be right...

About Jacob - His circumstances are hard to figure out, as in how in H E Double Hockey Sticks did he get that way? From what I understand, I don't think that we're going to find out right away...

However, I still think that Jacob isn't the ultimate decision-maker for the Others as Ben makes him out to be. Perhaps, he used to be, in some way, shape or form, but not anymore, IMHO. He still does seem to be able to do unusual things, even though he seems stuck inbetween timelines and stuck in the cabin...maybe...the cabin is some kind of time nexus?

My guess is that...

...they are priming the pump for Libby's big return mid-season. They're also nudging Michael up to the surface a bit, for the same reason.

In fact, I would suspect that the Missing Pieces will seem to fall into place much better after we have seen Season 4.


I think your probaly right about that to pmup/hype Mixhael/Libbys return. Heres hoping Libby is in one of mobisodes, even if its something that sets during season 2 at losties camp.

Guinevere: Never thought of stuff that way. You might be right...

About Jacob - His circumstances are hard to figure out, as in how in H E Double Hockey Sticks did he get that way? From what I understand, I don't think that we're going to find out right away...

However, I still think that Jacob isn't the ultimate decision-maker for the Others as Ben makes him out to be. Perhaps, he used to be, in some way, shape or form, but not anymore, IMHO. He still does seem to be able to do unusual things, even though he seems stuck inbetween timelines and stuck in the cabin...maybe...the cabin is some kind of time nexus?

Yep I think Jacob is the one who makes the decisions for the others. I'm still trying to figure out if Klugh or Isabel are second in charge after Ben, I'm still thinking its Klugh.

I still find it odd that nobody has ever encountered Jacob's hut, even Danielle. Come on, somebody has to have at least found it. Who knows if Jacob can ever leave the cabin or if hes trapped between timelines or something.

Juliet here really personifies the duplicity of the Others.
She's taking the "good cop" role in the re-education of Michael, following Bea Klugh's "bad cop" role in threatening him with never seeing Walt again if he didn't get Ben set free and bring the four Losties on the list to them. She claims that she is not the enemy -- just like Colleen did to Sun on the sailboat -- and perhaps here there's a kernel of truth in it, because her aim is the same as Michael's - to get off the island. But for all practical purposes she's still the enemy and one of his captors.

This also shows how misguided (in my opinion) Michael's morals and values are:

So according to Michael, a loved one is only worth saving if you can spend your own time to enjoy being with them? What parent would say that? I think most would choose to save their child's life even if it meant not ever seeing them again. Even Juliet understands that and chose that course when pushed. His attitude is pretty self-centered and reflects on his lack of respect for the dignity of other people's lives throughout the coming ordeal, as he kills them as tools to achieve his mission.


I like the good cop/bad cop reference. I am not sure who spoke to Michael first (Juliete or Bea), but it does appear that Michael is more understanding of the situation at hand when Juliete is talking to him. This makes me believe that Bea spoke with him first, since he was more reactive and demanding in that scene. Not sure of it's significance. Just trying to place this in the proper time-line.
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I like the good cop/bad cop reference. I am not sure who spoke to Michael first (Juliete or Bea), but it does appear that Michael is more understanding of the situation at hand when Juliete is talking to him. This makes me believe that Bea spoke with him first, since he was more reactive and demanding in that scene. Not sure of it's significance. Just trying to place this in the proper time-line.

Oooops. watched a again with the transcript. Was hard to make out the audio with the one Dark UFO posted. Read it and it clearly states that Bea spoke to Michael first.

Yep I think Jacob is the one who makes the decisions for the others. I'm still trying to figure out if Klugh or Isabel are second in charge after Ben, I'm still thinking its Klugh.
Was Klugh. ;)

the credits are up at ABC.com this one is episode 110


Episode 110 - The Deal

Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet
Harold Perrineau as Michael
Music by: Michael Giacchino
Costume Designer: Roland Sanchez
Edited by: Robert Florio, A.C.E.
Production Designer: James Newport
Director of Photography: Michael Bonvillain, A.S.C.
Executive Producers: J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof, Bryan Burk, Jack Bender, Carlton Cuse
Co-Executive Producers: Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz, Drew Goddard, Stephen Williams, Jean Higgins
Supervising Producer: Elizabeth Sarnoff
Producers: Ra'uf Glasgow, Pat Churchill
Co-Producers: Richard Peter Schroer, Brian K. Vaughn, Samantha Thomas
Executive Story Editor: Christina M. Kim
Associate Producer: Kaleen Yamase
Created by Jeffrey Lieber and J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof
Written by Elizabeth Sarnoff
Directed by Jack Bender

Looks like there's been some coming and going with the writing staff.

Cardie

Actually, if all the writers on the list are members of the current writing staff, too, it would mean that only one person has left the staff since last season. :shrug:

Damon Lindelof was obviously there from the start, Carlton Cuse, Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz joined the staff during the first season, Christina Kim and Elizabeth Sarnoff at the beginning of the second season, Drew Goddard came over from Alias at the beginning of the third season and Brian K.Vaughan joined the staff with episode 313 (TMFT). The only person missing from the list is Jeff Pinkner, who over came from Alias with Drew Goddard. (Alison Schapker & Monica Breen were the other two former Alias-writers on the staff, but they went over to Brothers & Sisters after eight episodes (=FBYF). Their first episode on B&S just happens to be the one with the Lost mention...)

Was Klugh. ;)

Cool, I liked her more than Isabel. :)

I still think the frogurt one is the best so far, this one is still good though.

Juliet never said ben was their leader, just that he was important and could help them get off the island. So maybe when he makes that face when henry arrives on the pala dock, he still hadnt figured out he was their leader.

Was Klugh. ;)

When did they ever say anything about a pecking order below ben? all I ever heard about isabelle was that she would do whatever been says..[as told to jack by alex]

I never heard anything about Beatrice being 2nd in command either. Seems like that spot went to Richard or Tom, and there was at least one instance where both of them ignored Bens orders....[when locke was beating down mikail]


and Juliet.....this mobisode furthers my thinking that what shes doing is all just an act. shes evil man, evil. Shes gonna do whatever out of love for her sister.

When did they ever say anything about a pecking order below ben? all I ever heard about isabelle was that she would do whatever been says..[as told to jack by alex]

I never heard anything about Beatrice being 2nd in command either. Seems like that spot went to Richard or Tom, and there was at least one instance where both of them ignored Bens orders....[when locke was beating down mikail]
Yeah, I think Isabel, Tom, and Richard were kind of like the "big three" below Ben, maybe just different varieties of what they do; Isabel as enforcer, Tom as the guy doing stuff "out in the field", Richard as recruiter. I think Klugh wasn't necessarily important in a hierarchy kind of way, but rather she probably had a certain specialty, like parapsychology/children or something.

When I said "was Klugh", I was just referring to the fact that she was shot. ;)

My thought on Juliet's statement that Ben was in charge to Michael and his reaction is that he didn't know at the time that Henry was Ben. That accounts for the surprised look on his face at the docks when he and Walt got the boat. I think he knew that Henry was important but I don't think he knew that the Ben that Juliet was talking about was the same man.

My thought on Juliet's statement that Ben was in charge to Michael and his reaction is that he didn't know at the time that Henry was Ben. That accounts for the surprised look on his face at the docks when he and Walt got the boat. I think he knew that Henry was important but I don't think he knew that the Ben that Juliet was talking about was the same man.

that makes sense - all those people who are criticizing TPTB should have thought of that!

and Juliet.....this mobisode furthers my thinking that what shes doing is all just an act. shes evil man, evil. Shes gonna do whatever out of love for her sister.

I totally agree with you. I've thought she was evil all along. She tries too hard and I think we will find out that she's behind a few things that have gone on.

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I totally agree with you. I've thought she was evil all along. She tries too hard and I think we will find out that she's behind a few things that have gone on.

Doc

She is evil!

I think this mob was setting up both of these characters for their future actions. It further establised Juliet as a person who will do anything for her sister even betraying the losties if she isnt already doing it now. It seemed to hint at the possibility that Michael would give up being with Walt as long his son was alive and healthy. (I guess this brings Micheal's story around full circle.)

I think this mob was setting up both of these characters for their future actions. It further establised Juliet as a person who will do anything for her sister even betraying the losties if she isnt already doing it now. It seemed to hint at the possibility that Michael would give up being with Walt as long his son was alive and healthy. (I guess this brings Micheal's story around full circle.)Right. I think that it looks like Michael and Walt might possibly literally sail off into the sunset together, but the thing is...seeing this mobisode makes it seem eerily possible that they will be seperated and Michael will agree to that as long as Walt is safe...

And for Juliet...even after we saw that she didn't like Ben, felt awful for doing whatever happened between Sun and Juliet and everything else, I still can't help but think that there's more to what and WHY she's doing what she's doing...I feel like she's going to betray the Losties somehow...even though she's currently looking like a sympathetic character...maybe not...but I do get that feeling, right or wrong................

Right. I think that it looks like Michael and Walt might possibly literally sail off into the sunset together, but the thing is...seeing this mobisode makes it seem eerily possible that they will be seperated and Michael will agree to that as long as Walt is safe...

And for Juliet...even after we saw that she didn't like Ben, felt awful for doing whatever happened between Sun and Juliet and everything else, I still can't help but think that there's more to what and WHY she's doing what she's doing...I feel like she's going to betray the Losties somehow...even though she's currently looking like a sympathetic character...maybe not...but I do get that feeling, right or wrong................

Well, if the Others had a hand in making Rachel well and have her under surveillance, chances are they are in a position to bring harm to her if betrayed by Juliet. Ben's not one to not have his ducks in a row where these types of things are concerned. My bet is Juliet continues to be tormented by such a situation, and will do what it takes to maintain her sister and nephew's safety.

junie - i kind of trust juliet now, but what you posted made me think of the similarity between her and Michael. They both have something they would do anything for.

michael would do anything to get off the island with walt
juliet would do anything to get off the island.

I totally agree with you. I've thought she was evil all along. She tries too hard and I think we will find out that she's behind a few things that have gone on.She is evil!Nope. I don't buy that for a second. Based on her flashbacks and her actions on the island, Juliet seems every bit as flawed as the rest of our Losties, with the only key difference being that Juliet begun her game on the opposing team. She betrayed her original team and killed at least one man in her scheme to get off the island. Does that make her more evil than Locke, who defected to the Others and has killed one woman for the sake of the island? Of Michael, who inexplicably killed two women for the sake of his son?

Nope. I don't buy that for a second. Based on her flashbacks and her actions on the island, Juliet seems every bit as flawed as the rest of our Losties, with the only key difference being that Juliet begun her game on the opposing team. She betrayed her original team and killed at least one man in her scheme to get off the island. Does that make her more evil than Locke, who defected to the Others and has killed one woman for the sake of the island? Of Michael, who inexplicably killed two women for the sake of his son?

...and who so galantly asks Juliet what good is a loved one's life if they can't spend it with you??? (Seriously, I can't be the only one who raised an eyebrow at that).

Juliet plays for Team Juliet and nobody else, but that does not make her evil. She murdered Pickett in cold blood to help herself but saved two (three with Karl) lives in the process, which is more than most of the other murder-for-revenge losties have done. She betrayed Team Ben when it became clear that Team Ben screwed her over and would never get her what she wanted and as long as Team Losties is her ticket off the island, I don't think she'll do anything to jeopardize going back to Rachel and Julian. Where she goes from there is anyone's guess.

This was a good mobisode to bring back Walt and Michael in the thread of the story. I hope Walt's special abilities will be addressed sooner rather than later though. I wonder if he's going to get an on island flashback with the experiments they performed on him, even though Malcolm David Kelly will probably be in college by then.

She is evil!

I don't think she is evil at all, but she's not a goody-goody, but none of the Losties and she's not even a Lostie anyway :p. She has killed but she did it to get back to her sister, and she save Kate and Sawyer from that psycho. She betrayed Ben because Jack offered her a chance to get off the island and she saved Sun and other women from getting kidnap. She's not selfish, but she's defenitely not evil. Unlike most of the Losties she was a good (and weak) person off island on her FBs, Kate killed her father, Sawyer killed Ducket, Ana Lucia killed that dude in the parking lot, Eko killed a lot of people etc.

I do see a similarity between her and Michael, they will do anything for their loved ones which is both a virtue and a flaw to ther characters. They both have betrayed their people in order to save their loved ones, I can see them becoming allies in the future especially now that I now that I know they have met.

It is up on ABC's website (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=index). (I'm starting to get really annoyed by that Verizon commercial that plays before them)

I agree with the comment about the two factions of others. One group of normal others, and another group that does Ben's dirty work. Not sure I agree with the pecking order though. Juliett and Mikhail have been in the order.

I would see it as something like this.

Jacob
Ben
Richard
Ms Klugh
Mikhail
Tom
Juliett
Isabel
Pickett
Goodwin

It is up on ABC's website (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=index). (I'm starting to get really annoyed by that Verizon commercial that plays before them)

Yeah, that has to be one of the most annoying commercials in a long time.

I don't think this 'sode really gave us any insights into anything we didn't already know. Kinda just reaffirms Michael's character.

now to go watch more lost DVD's!

with all due respect people who are liking juliet now, i'm going with the "juliet is evil" camp. she looked a little more sympathetic at the end of season 3, but this is a great reminder of why we shouldn't trust her. first, she was not only present when the others were holding and manipulating michael, walt, jack, kate, etc., she actually assisted them.

second, being a participant in the plan to manipulate michael and get ben back, it's very likely that juliet knows something where michael has gone, why ben wants the children, what is being done with them, etc. so how come she's shared any of this with the losties yet? juliet, in my opinion, knows all kinds of things she's keeping to herself.

third, she may "feel" some small measure of sympathy, but her body language shows very little sympathy to michael. she blinks each time she answers a question, a classic sign of deception. and she leans forward and nearly over him when she's talking. that's a classic power position, and even more intimidating when you consider he is tied up. she assumed a similiar position when talking to jack in the hydra station.

and remember when bea talked to michael about getting the people on the "list" to come back with him? he asked her how he would do that. bea answered that they will be so angry they'll do anything you tell them to. what were they going to be angry about? i think she and the others might have known that michael would end up killing to set ben free. there's a good chance juliet knew this too. if she did, and she still provided her assistance in manipulating michael, that makes her totally evil in my book.

i love my sisters to death too, but i wouldn't participate in murder to save them. to quote christian sheppard, there are some lines you just don't cross.

Save Walt... from what?

If Juliet is playing ‘good cop’ as suggested – and it’s a nice idea – she’s doing a rather better job of alarming Michael I think than befriending him.

But it does explain his mind set – she’s planted the suggestion of imperilment that goes beyond their supposedly stone age subsistence and challenged Mike as a dad to do whatever is necessary.

Her endorsing him was oh so subtle it was a joy to watch the Wicked Witch of the East work her magic.

(I remain to be convinced Juliet is Glenda the Good or that she gives a damn about Walt. I watched # Room 23 already; and unless she’s using her cunning – make the boy such a threat that the others’ let him go – she sounds like the ‘very special boy’ is nothing to her but a thorn in her side.)

Mike’s selfishness at thinking it’s pointless to save someone unless you get to keep their company was unpleasant… he gave up his son once for the child’s benefit but no sooner had him back than tried to dump him on his grandma. He sounds confused – but then aren’t we all!

And the sacrifice he’s about to make this time – well it isn’t him pays is it?

Yet anyways.