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This episode was ruined by Sawyer's sleaziness toward Kate!

I hate him!:mad: He ruined the whole episode!

I thought the whole "2 warring factions" was clumsily handled.The last exchange between the 2 groups was cordial enough,if not exactly friendly.Then all of a sudden,they are both on a war footing,Sayid etc going in all guns blazing,and Locke etc laying traps.

OK,the arrival of the 4 has changed things,,but we could have done with a scene where the 2 groups became antagonistic towards each other.I have to say this doesn't bode well for the 8 into 5 episodes,,have a feeling they will be rushed.

Also irritated when Sayid swapped Myles for Charlotte........Locke already HAD Myles.Why would he give Sayid one of his two captives,for nothing in return?

My one crit of this episode (and so I'll post it here) was Desmond's almost giddy happiness over the helicopter. He just didn't strike me as a guy who just lost a friend, and more than that, that sent that friend to his death so that helicopter would come. I expected more mixed feelings and I think that was poor continuity.

i've started agreeing with Pacejunkie's thoughts, here. While I thought the episode was pretty stunning on a story level, a lot of the details felt off. The characters' emotiosn weren't quite in the right place, and the shift in mindset between the two groups wasn't quite right.

All in all, while I still enjoyed the episode (i probably even loved it), it was a bit clumsy...when's the next Cuse, Lindelof, Godard or Vaugn episode? I like those writers a lot.

I thought the whole "2 warring factions" was clumsily handled.The last exchange between the 2 groups was cordial enough,if not exactly friendly.Then all of a sudden,they are both on a war footing,Sayid etc going in all guns blazing,and Locke etc laying traps.

OK,the arrival of the 4 has changed things,,but we could have done with a scene where the 2 groups became antagonistic towards each other.I have to say this doesn't bode well for the 8 into 5 episodes,,have a feeling they will be rushed.


Ditto. I still liked the episode but youre right, the two warring factions thing wasn't played up enough. I found it hard to understand how their could be so much animosity already.

My one crit of this episode (and so I'll post it here) was Desmond's almost giddy happiness over the helicopter. He just didn't strike me as a guy who just lost a friend, and more than that, that sent that friend to his death so that helicopter would come. I expected more mixed feelings and I think that was poor continuity.

I found this kind of rushed, like they were thinking "Oh, Desmond isn't at the helicopter, but he needs to be there to find out why they had a picture of Penny" so they quickly wrote him in there. I just felt like there was poor continuity all over this episode.

The lack of explanation for the Sonic Fence is another one. They made a pretty big deal of it on several episodes, Locke throwing Mikhail into it, Juliet turning it on to block Smokie, and now we've seen 2 groups of people get by it with no explanation of how they did it. The last we saw of it, it was turned on by Juliet, after the Others had left Otherton. Now when Locke and company came up to it, I guess they could have forced Ben to open it (if he had, it wouldn't have been consistent with his character though, but it's an explanation) but how did Satid, Kate and Miles get by it?

I thought the whole "2 warring factions" was clumsily handled.The last exchange between the 2 groups was cordial enough,if not exactly friendly.Then all of a sudden,they are both on a war footing,Sayid etc going in all guns blazing,and Locke etc laying traps.

OK,the arrival of the 4 has changed things,,but we could have done with a scene where the 2 groups became antagonistic towards each other.I have to say this doesn't bode well for the 8 into 5 episodes,,have a feeling they will be rushed.

Also irritated when Sayid swapped Myles for Charlotte........Locke already HAD Myles.Why would he give Sayid one of his two captives,for nothing in return?

The Hurley situation is a big problem I had with this episode, completely out of character for Hurley to turn on his friends and be deceptive like that. One of the previous scenes had Hurley questioning Locke's decisions before Locke pulled the "Me Leader. you shut up" line, so why all of a sudden would Hurley do a complete 180? Doesn't make sense. Plus he seems uneasy of Sayid and says it's because of the neck breaking thing on the beach, but didn't Hurley kill someone by running over him? If anything, the only death Hurley questioned at the time was Sawyer's when he killed Tom because "he surrendered" and guess who's Hurley's with? SAWYER!! This all went against Hurley's character and was extremely poor continuity.

Then the whole Sayid thing I had a problem with. On the island, and even most of this episode, we see a confident, strong Sayid, then at the end of this episode he's weak and broken? And he's working with an off island Ben? I love twists, and that's why I love LOST but this one just seems too much. I understand that Ben is manipulating Sayid somehow, but I'll never be on board with a "good" Ben, the man is just pure evil, and if he turns out to be the "good" guy I'll be extremely disappointed.

I haven't commented on here in a while, but this was the least enjoyable episode in a while. I wasn't blown away by the premiere, but it certainly wasn't bad. This episode was beyond boring. Was I supposed to be "wowed" by the "reveal" that Ben was Sayid's mainland "boss"? Because I wasn't. I was annoyed and bored.

For what it's worth, I did like the Sawyer and Kate scenes because it featured genuine human interaction. I just felt so disconnected from the rest of the episode.

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I agree that the characters didn't seem like themselves. I really didn't get why they were so hostile all of a sudden. Very strange episode.

Does anybody know, is there some kind of TV award for dragging a mystery out as long as possible?

Or one for guffing on about "character", then making your characters do things that are out of "character"?

To all the above inconsistencies I'd add, anyone remember how DESPERATE Juliet was to get off the island. Room for one more on the helicopter? OK, take Naomi's corpse; I don't mind!

Does anybody know, is there some kind of TV award for dragging a mystery out as long as possible?

Or one for guffing on about "character", then making your characters do things that are out of "character"?

To all the above inconsistencies I'd add, anyone remember how DESPERATE Juliet was to get off the island. Room for one more on the helicopter? OK, take Naomi's corpse; I don't mind!

I agree, as I've already posted about all the poor continuity examples and inconsistencies with character traits, and Juliet does want badly to get on that helicopter. But one "possible" reason that Juliet didn't firmly state that she was going to get on that plane like Desmond did, was maybe because she wants to stick with Jack. Again, only giving a possible reason, not that I agree with it though......

If it was me, I'd be the first one on that chopper because how do I know it's going to come back?

As always, my dislike with the episode is due to inconsistencies, mainly characters's actions and their motives.

Ok, flashforwards were interesting but the characters were plain irrational again.

Hurley, who was devastated by Charlie's death, seems to have forgotten all about Charlie making jokes. That's one of the thşngs I don't like about the show in general. All the characters have amnesia. They don't remember, they have no emotional consistency. And why is Hurley siding with Locke now that both camps have suspicions about the freighters?

Sawyer has turned into a softie after killing two people. And now he wants to stay on the Island? Is he happy with the things he did on the Island??? What happened to the tense guy after "the Brig"? Suddenly he's making plans to settle down on the Island?? I didn't like the scene between Kate-Sawyer for that reason. I don't like seeing him all mushy unreasonably.

And above all... What's the basis of Jack vs. Locke camping? They are not divided as "who wants to stay" and "who doen't want to stay". Ok Charlie said "not Penny's boat" but the call has been made and people came to the Island. The logical thing is to see what these people want. And both groups are trying to do the same thing now. I think the writers are forcing story too much to create conflict, hostage, hostage exchange, negotiation scenes without a sound reasoning and rationality.

Fresh in the brain... I just this minute watched it.

The whole episode was peppered with strangeness bordering on errors of continuity and there was a fair bit of somewhat below par acting that would have seemed more at home on an episode of a daytime soap.

Some of the incidental music felt just out of place

A few internal scenes were badly (unrealistic) lit.

Knowing how they vary the budget per episode throughout the season, this really left me with a feeling that it could be the cheapest episode ever.

I agree that the characters didn't seem like themselves. I really didn't get why they were so hostile all of a sudden. Very strange episode.

your right about that, very different feel to this episode... ends up that this episode has some new writers the all the rest.. not sure why there changing the characters as we know them.
i did enjoy the episode and continue to be a huge fan!...thought i am getting to the point when I want some answers! all these questions? this whole season has jsut been more and more questions and no answers to any. Theres a ton of old questions i feel are just gong to be ignored from the past seaons.

Didn't like it for the reasons already mentioned. Sadly, I think this is the worst season yet. Hoping it gets better.

I agree, as I've already posted about all the poor continuity examples and inconsistencies with character traits, and Juliet does want badly to get on that helicopter. But one "possible" reason that Juliet didn't firmly state that she was going to get on that plane like Desmond did, was maybe because she wants to stick with Jack. Again, only giving a possible reason, not that I agree with it though......

If it was me, I'd be the first one on that chopper because how do I know it's going to come back?


I think Juliet, being an Other, is hesitant to go to a ship full of people who say they are
looking to capture Ben. Juliet has no great love for Ben, but she might feel that she
will have a hard time explaining that - especially when she participated in holding
the freighties captive. People who are looking for Ben would be real interested in
what Juliet has to say. I don't think I'd go if I was her.

your right about that, very different feel to this episode... ends up that this episode has some new writers the all the rest.. not sure why there changing the characters as we know them.
i did enjoy the episode and continue to be a huge fan!...thought i am getting to the point when I want some answers! all these questions? this whole season has jsut been more and more questions and no answers to any. Theres a ton of old questions i feel are just gong to be ignored from the past seaons.

Your post is basically what I've been telling all my LOST friends since I saw this episode. They're dragging it out more and more, ignoring the old questions (Danielle's backstory, a lot of the questions about The Swan and other Dharma stations, the blast door map, etc) and creating new ones.
Another thing is these flash forwards. Have you ever been at a party where you're having a nice leisurely conversation and then someone throws an inside joke into the mix that you're not a part of? Everyone but you is laughing and you're just standing there awkwardly trying to figure out what's going on? That's how LOST feels for me now. The best example was when Sayid and Ben were having their conversation at the very end of the episode, referencing events and circumstances that we haven't seen yet. "You remember what happened the last time...." I find that to be a cheap tactic and I feel like the writers are becoming arrogant, borderline brazen, in how they're telling their story. Just my 2 cents.

Another thing is these flash forwards. Have you ever been at a party where you're having a nice leisurely conversation and then someone throws an inside joke into the mix that you're not a part of? Everyone but you is laughing and you're just standing there awkwardly trying to figure out what's going on? That's how LOST feels for me now. The best example was when Sayid and Ben were having their conversation at the very end of the episode, referencing events and circumstances that we haven't seen yet. "You remember what happened the last time...." I find that to be a cheap tactic and I feel like the writers are becoming arrogant, borderline brazen, in how they're telling their story. Just my 2 cents.

Nice point man. Really. What has made us stick with all these characters we love is that they know only as much as we do about the island n things (not their personal past which is revealed in bits n parts which is fine).
And now suddenly everyone knows much more than the audience. Oh & Sayid is gonna be a killer (for good reason or bad). Now any redemption his character had in my eyes is going....

Well partly I didnt love this episode because this episode depicted the worst emotional contradictions. The reactions were totally abnormal.

Bad job by Jack Bender. Umm...& who were the writers? Oh yea...thn its ok! Adam Horowitz & Edward Kitsis. :mad:

What I am starting to wonder is if these episodes were written before the strike with a full storyline over 3 seasons in mind? Because this episode was slloooooowwww and the only real thing we learned was a vague hint that there is a time difference. How many episodes are there left to wrap up the 100 or so unanswered questions? 16? 18?

I'm starting to think season 5-6 will end up having a VERY rushed feel to it...

I hated the reveal at the end.

Essentially, they've just stripped us of a potential payoff: when is Ben going to have to atone for everything he's done to the Losties? Apparently, never...

I suppose there should be satisfaction in the fact Ben's no longer on his precious island, but Sayid taking orders from him like the first three seasons of the show never happened? I have serious doubts they're going to adequately explain away months of kidnapping, murder, imprisonment, and terror.

What a major disappointment.

Sawyer ruined the episode.

End of story!

What I am starting to wonder is if these episodes were written before the strike with a full storyline over 3 seasons in mind? Because this episode was slloooooowwww and the only real thing we learned was a vague hint that there is a time difference. How many episodes are there left to wrap up the 100 or so unanswered questions? 16? 18?

I'm starting to think season 5-6 will end up having a VERY rushed feel to it...

Well, at the beginning of season 4 (this season) there were to be 3 more seasons of 16 episodes, so a total of 48. Since we have seen 3 so far, it would mean there are 45 episodes left to tie things up. I'm not sure but I think this episode was written after they had negotiated the end of the series, but I'm not 100% sure.

But I agree with you completely, this episode was much slower than the last 2. This episode almost reminded me of the episodes last season that seemed dragged out at the Hydra station.

Does anybody know, is there some kind of TV award for dragging a mystery out as long as possible?

Or one for guffing on about "character", then making your characters do things that are out of "character"?

To all the above inconsistencies I'd add, anyone remember how DESPERATE Juliet was to get off the island. Room for one more on the helicopter? OK, take Naomi's corpse; I don't mind!

I agree with everything said here 100%. WAY too many character inconsistencies !
How about Desmond? "Oh gee golly, I guess I'll just get in this helicopter anyway, even though my buddy just drowned trying to save me from getting on it." Nothing inconsistent there.

How about Desmond? "Oh gee golly, I guess I'll just get in this helicopter anyway, even though my buddy just drowned trying to save me from getting on it." Nothing inconsistent there.
Good one!

ToddinTexas made a case for Juliet not getting on the helicopter. I suppose we could argue that Desmond had a reason (the Penelope photo) for weighing Charlie's warning against any chance of getting back to the real world. Can't think why Juliet (who killed Pickett and defected from the Others) would think twice, though. Stuck on Jack? I know women can be fickle but... pffft!

I've read that next week's episode we find out who the 'Him' is when Kate says "I've got to get back to him" in the Through The Looking Glass flashforward. There had better be a good reason why she says "Him" rather than "Sawyer" or "Ben" or "Hurley" or whatever. It's Jack and Kate for Heaven's sake, why wouldn't she use 'His' name? Only reason I can think of is that she doesn't want the massive TV audience to know! :biggrin:

I've read that next week's episode we find out who the 'Him' is when Kate says "I've got to get back to him" in the Through The Looking Glass flashforward. There had better be a good reason why she says "Him" rather than "Sawyer" or "Ben" or "Hurley" or whatever. It's Jack and Kate for Heaven's sake, why wouldn't she use 'His' name? Only reason I can think of is that she doesn't want the massive TV audience to know! :biggrin:
Bingo!!! :biggrin: But I'm not complaining...

There are things that I didn't love about this epi, but I don't feel like elaborating (most of them have to do with frustration about "few answers, more questions"), but I know that
they have to hype up the drama and suspense to entice us to come back each week...

And the one thing I really liked about this episode?

Desmond is getting off the island. That aspect was as good as the raft setting out in Exodus.

But they didn't give it any attention!

I mean, for heaven's sake.... DESMOND IS GETTING OFF THE ISLAND AND BACK TO THE REAL WORLD!

COME ON!!!!

From my perspective, the episode was great. However you guys *really* screwed up Faraday's rockets, turning it into an awful episode (relatively speaking :biggrin: )

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=89012


Nevermind.

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1769820&postcount=127

the problem is, you have a theory. and your theory most likely doesnt match with the writers'. ergo, they didn't screw up. have you ever considered that? i know this is the negativity thread, but come on - you don't know yet if that's a mistake or not.

but since im here... well, Michael Giacchino really overused the Sayid theme this episode. i was dissatisfied with the score for this episode, and i never am, cuz i love Giacchino's work.

To me all of this doesn't seem like it's all going to fit before it's 2010 end. Are they going to just simply rush things in the last season? That's the part that scares me. I feel like their just trowing in too many mysteries rather then sloving a few. I'm pretty sure in the end it will all come together, but it's just really damn fursterating sometimes. Heh that's why were LOST. :biggrin:

2 things that annoyed the living heck out of me:

* The Kate-Sawyer "playing house" exchange. It was horribly CHEESY eye-rollingly bad dialog. Ick.

* To quote Revo : ...Michael Giacchino really overused the Sayid theme this episode. i was dissatisfied with the score for this episode, and i never am, cuz i love Giacchino's work.

Same here. I thought the score was distracting (didn't it seem louder than usual, too?) rather than enhancing the scenes. I usually don't care too much about the music but this episode's caught my attention in a bad way.

on the subject of the score, it felt to me like it was a copy/paste job from old episodes. the music really didn't fit the action this episode. to an odd degree. maybe giacchino was sick or something.

Desmond never gave Claire Charlie's Greatest hits list :(
100%

on the subject of the score, it felt to me like it was a copy/paste job from old episodes. the music really didn't fit the action this episode. to an odd degree. maybe giacchino was sick or something.


I think he's busy working on Star Trek and the next Pixar movie.

I love Lost but I believe the bloom is off the rose with me lately and I'm more than a little horrified by it. I'm hoping that a big part of the reason for my feeling has to do with the show being off the air for all those months. out of sight, out of mind ? Maybe its just going to take me a little extra time to get back into being Lost.

The twists for twists sake seem not to be impressing me so much anymore. I wasn't even that surprised that it was Ben at the end. I just sat there and muttered, "oh. Its Ben." My jaw stayed put.

As to any particular thing that bothered me about TE was that "play house" scene between Sawyer & Kate near the end. Lame.

And whats more I can't even believe that I'm posting in this thread! I never thought this would ever happen with me. :eek:

Hmm, I jumped right to the end of this thread out of sheer curiousity to see what some people disliked, but I have to agree about the music/score. It did seem to be a little bit overbearing in this episode.

This episode was ruined by Sawyer's sleaziness toward Kate!

I hate him!:mad: He ruined the whole episode!

Just out of curiousity, when was he sleazy towards Kate? x

I think this one was a great episode in terms of Sayid's story...but i didn't appreciate the sudden extreme distrust between Team Locke and Team Jack...seemed to lack development.

This is the first time that I have not liked an episode of Lost. Sure, I've loved some eps and not been as enthusiastic about others, but this one I really did not like. Sayid taking orders from Ben like that? They're going to have to sell that better than they did to me now. And Ben being the evil mastermind on and off the island? Not liking that either. I liked the info about the time discrepancy, but the rest was blah. And I LOVE Sayid. I just didn't like the way any of the characters were portrayed or acted in this eppie. Hopefully it's just a one-off.