I watched that episode again where he called her the same name as he used with the phone sex worker and the surprised look on her face confirm this to me.
I know I have seen someone else mention this in passing but I don't know how many caught it. :laugh:

Oh, I love that -- and she suggested the Walkabout to him in such a way that he thought it was his own idea, and implied that she'd go along -- hence his outrage when she said she couldn't .* That would be cool.*

what name did he call her? i dont think that she is that same woman that he was talking to on the phone.
she knows his name, the phone woman knew his name...i dont think that Kate could pretend that nothing had
happened in the past if she were the same woman on the phone. JMHO.

Helen,
Apparently his former wifes or GFs name, we will see in the next episode.
He definitely called Kate that, why else would the writers throw that in?

Maybe she doesn't want to admit while on the run she worked as a phone sex worker, and his first name is John come on how many men have that name :lol2:

Maybe she's behind it all!* We've already seen her run one good con, and she's already had two different names.

Oh, and welcome to the board, garuda! :)

Thank you-

I'm convinced Locke knows more then hes saying about the island before even crashing there, he may have information if he was in the military.
Locke doesn't want to leave, because what does he have to go back to? Nothing at all.
This is a thread through all the castaways too, they all have nothing left in the outside world, no family or significant others.
Well Hurley but I'm sure his family will do just fine without him.

Hurley's family might be better off without him from the looks of it.* *:laugh:* I agree on Locke.* And it does seem to be working out that most of them have nothing much to go back to.* Although if it were me, indoor plumbing and a TV might be enough incentive all by itself.*

How is that possible when she was on a farm without a cell phone prior to the flight

When I was watching the episode again (a month or so ago) I said in my mind, "They are all connected somehow. Wouldn't it be funny if that was Kate on the other end of the line?" It is funny that it is a post on the lage now. lol

Anything is possible, but I think she gave Locke that strange look because he was lying on the ground, not moving, and then suddenly called her "Helen." That would make anybody get a strange look on their face.

I'm not saying she wasn't the gal on the other end of the line, but I wouldn't count on it. Now wouldn't it be even funnier if it was Shannon on the other end of the line? lol It isn't but that would be even stranger.

How is that possible when she was on a farm without a cell phone prior to the flight


But we don't know when Locke went on his Walkabout, do we?*

Oh wait, I see what you're saying. Rats! Never mind.

Rats indeed!

Do we know how long Kate was on the farm or how long Locke was in Aus after being turned down for the walkabout?

Unless mentioning the name Helen was just a way to introduce part of Lockes backstory?

Australia was a bad place to set as the departure point, its too modern and immigration there is too modern.

There are many places in the world where immigration doesn't even have the luxury of computers, this would make Kate and Sawyers presence more believable.

Rats?! No - boars (but that's another story) :lol2:

Hey - can anyone actually confirm that the "lady" on the end of the line was actually a sex worker?!!

Why not - a clairvoyant? :o

I think the only reason the phone sex operator was given a name is to make us surprised when we found out she was a phone sex operator and not Locke's girlfriend or wife. I think it personalized her to shock us

I could believe cursed numbers
I could believe "monsters"
I could believe 48 people surviving a plane crash
I could believe in other dimensions
I could believe in a paraplegic walking again.
I could believe that an uninhabited island is actually inhabited.

I can't for a second believe in HOT phone sex operators... sorry ;D

Rats?!* No - boars (but that's another story)* :lol2:

Hey - can anyone actually confirm that the "lady" on the end of the line was actually a sex worker?!!

Why not - a clairvoyant?* *:o


That's the question I've always asked. She could have worked for a psychic phone network for all we know. Everyone ASSUMED she's a sex phone operator.

True, that was an assumption.* But whatever she was, she was paid by the hour, unless she had the worst phone plan in the world or she was calling him from the moon.* *:laugh:* So, not a real girlfriend anyway.

What I wonder is if Locke asked Miss Phone Sex Operator if he could just call her Helen...For the right price, I'm sure she'd say she was the Queen of England!* :)


Maybe, you're right. I would think that a phone sex operator would use a sexier name than Helen. not that I have a problem with the name Helen, but wouldn't they use stripper names like Destiny or Angel.

some things really doesn't add up in that theory

- We don't know if Helen was a phone sex operator, she might have been a psychic. She said she would have to charge him for an hour extra, phone sex operators work most usually on a 15 to 20 minutes basis (not that i am familiar with that kind of stuff lol)

- Kate was on the farm for 4 months, and then was turned in to the Marshall, so in this theory, Locke's last phone call would have been made at least 4 months before going on his walkabout.
When Locke told Helen that he had a ticket for her, he sounded like it was a surprise, like "pack up you suitcase we leave in 3 days". Locke had planned his trip for a long time, but it was only just before he was to leave that he decided to tell Helen. He didn't think that "no" would be an answer, he expected Helen to be thrilled and leave everything behind to go with him at a moment's notice

- Kate was on the run, and she may have been for long. She seems smart and resourcefull, i don't think she would have taken the chance to be "traced"

- Kate was in Australia for some time before she reached the farm : "i love to walk" etc. Locke would have known if he called a number in Australia, and he wouldn't have bothered taking a plane ticket form the US to Australia to bring a woman that was already in Australia

Nevertheless Kate was startled when she heard the name "Helen" on the boar hunt
I was guessing that maybe Helen was Kate's mother's name

Locke is old enough to be Kate's father, and maybe if Helen was really a phone sex operator, then Locke would have tried to "befriend" someone his age
Maybe Helen is really Kate's mother, and that would provide a link between Kate and Locke, just like Sawyer was linked to Jack through his father

Kate VO: He's hurt. John? Can you hear me? Locke?

[Locke is still laying there.]

Kate: John you okay?

[Shot from foot angle again.]

Kate Locke?

Locke (moving) I'm fine. I'm fine Helen, I just got the wind knocked out of me is all.

Kate Helen?

Locke What?

Kate You called me Helen.

Locke Did I?


It's not the same without seeing they're faces during this. Locke seemed just as surprised that he called her Helen too though.....

I think he was having his flashback in his mind, and he probably doesn't like thinking about Helen. Seeing how he went off to hunt the boar alone, he was upset. I'm not saying he was only upset about Helen, but I'm sure that was apart of it.

I think he was having his flashback in his mind, and he probably doesn't like thinking about Helen.* Seeing how he went off to hunt the boar alone, he was upset.* I'm not saying he was only upset about Helen, but I'm sure that was apart of it.


He was probably upset to be thinking about that time in his life at all.

I agree. He doesn't like being told what he can't do. Therefore he needed to go off and get him a boar to show himself he could do what he said he could do.

That's the question I've always asked. She could have worked for a psychic phone network for all we know. Everyone ASSUMED she's a sex phone operator.


agree
Besides how many names has "Kate" used, Helen could be one of them, or her real name. I do like the mother connection idea.

I definintly do not believe the Locke was talking to Kate on the phone about anything let alone Kate pretending to be "Helen".
as was stated before by tarf:

Kate was on the farm for 4 months, and then was turned in to the Marshall, so in this theory, Locke's last phone call would have been made at least 4 months before going on his walkabout.
When Locke told Helen that he had a ticket for her, he sounded like it was a surprise, like "pack up you suitcase we leave in 3 days". Locke had planned his trip for a long time, but it was only just before he was to leave that he decided to tell Helen. He didn't think that "no" would be an answer, he expected Helen to be thrilled and leave everything behind to go with him at a moment's notice

- Kate was on the run, and she may have been for long. She seems smart and resourcefull, i don't think she would have taken the chance to be "traced"

- Kate was in Australia for some time before she reached the farm : "i love to walk" etc. Locke would have known if he called a number in Australia, and he wouldn't have bothered taking a plane ticket form the US to Australia to bring a woman that was already in Australia

The "Helen was Kate's mother theory holds more ocean water!

:angel:

JOHN LOCKE:* (to phone)* Yeah, well, I'm gonna do it.* I'm flying to Australia
at the end of the week.* And I've, uh ... I bought two tickets.*

(He doesn't get a response.)*

JOHN LOCKE:* (to phone)* Helen?

HELEN:* (from phone)* John, we've talked about this.* I like you.*

JOHN LOCKE:* (to phone)* Yeah. I know.*

HELEN:* (from phone)* And I've enjoyed talking with you these past few months.

JOHN LOCKE:* (to phone)* So have I.* Eight months.

HELEN:* (from phone)* I'm not allowed to meet customers.

JOHN LOCKE:* (to phone)* A customer?* Is, uh ... is that what I am to you?
HELEN:* (from phone)* This isn't really normal.* I mean, this isn't what I do.*
Maybe you should find a --I don't know -- therapist.

JOHN LOCKE:* (to phone)* Wait.* I have a therapist.

HELEN:* (from phone)* John ...

A. I like you, is not something a telephone psychic is likely to say to a customer.

B. There are very few professions who have conversations over the phone on a first name basis that refer to their clients as "customers"

Trust me, Helen IS a phone sex operator, not a therapist, not a psychic, not an employee at a suicide hotline

Oh, and if his flight was leaving at the end of the week, Kate was already in Australia by then, so its not Kate

During this scene, he's turning off some device on his right, any idea of what this is ? I'm just curious....

The transcript says a radio, but i read another thread here that said it might be some sort of muscle stimulating unit. Dont know for sure

I still wonder about the therapist Locke admits to Helen he has. I wonder if that will ever be explained.

Templeton

are you saying this because Evie did a talk line commerical in her starving actress days?

lol

Anyway, I don't think it's Kate either because how funny Locke wanted to take her Australia, she turned him down, but just happened to be there anyway.* Nah.

It didn't seem like Kate was to family oriented (I'm only saying this because her supposed life of crime), unless the man she loved was her father.* (I don't think that's the case)* So, on the mother idea....I really don't think that's her mother's name either.

As was said earlier its a PES unit which uses skin contact electrodes to stimulate muscles to contract, I assume Locke was using it to keep his legs from going through atrophy.

If you google beware that there seems to be some rather bizarre sex practices these machine can be put to :o