Do any of you think that Locke could possibly become the new leader of The Others??? I think it's very possible. Let's look at the facts....

Locke has some good standing with The Others....Cindy told him they had been waiting for him because they knew he had been healed by the island and that makes him special. Ben's people have probably lost trust in him, knowing he has lied to them, some of them probably feeling the same as Richard..remember when he told Locke that Ben was just trying to humiliate him and didn't believe in him. Locke heard Jacob and Jacob told him to help him and that's pretty important I'd say. Jacob probably knows all about John and realizes he would be an asset. John knows the island, killed his father to get rid of that thing holding him back which is something you have to do I guess, and has had an interesting communion with the island since the day he arrived there.

Also if you think about it, The Others aren't really BAD people. I think their methods are a little unnecessary, but most of that is obviously a result of Ben and his games. Plus these are people who have been living on this island for many many years and their entire existence was threatened when The Dharma Initiative came, and while the Losties crashing there was a totally different situation, they probably still see other people coming to the island as a threat to their whole world. Ben has taken this too far and is willing to murder to keep their way of life. I DO NOT think this is the way all The Others are. Richard doesn't seem like a bad guy at all. And I think he represents who they really are. Maybe Jacob told Locke to help him because somehow Ben is keeping him trapped wherever he is.

Another thing is Locke has now taken a leadership role in asking whoever wants to live to leave the rest and follow him to The Barracks of all places. This is showing that Locke has great leadership skills and could lead The Others in continuing whatever is it they are doing.

Any thoughts???

I like the possibility you suggest. Locke has always been searching for 'meaning' for his life, and ever since the whole introduction of Locke to the others as someone "special".. I think the tables were set and waiting. Moreover, Locke being able to communicate with Jacob sets him aside from all the others. Now, the question has to remain... how many 'others' are left? The Losties did kill many of them, no?

I think there will be some unity between Lockes losties and The Others. After all they will soon find out that Ben was right about the rescuers and may even trust him more than Jack.

Ben shot Locke for a reason - not just out of spite. Locke heard Jacob. Ben shot Locke once Locke had confirmed that he heard Jacob. The only reason Ben didn't finish Locke off is because of what Jacob said to Locke (the look on Ben's face when he hears "Help me" is telling).

So yes, I believe that Locke is Ben's 'replacement'. Certainly in Richard Alpert's eyes

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I like the possibility you suggest. Locke has always been searching for 'meaning' for his life, and ever since the whole introduction of Locke to the others as someone "special".. I think the tables were set and waiting. Moreover, Locke being able to communicate with Jacob sets him aside from all the others. Now, the question has to remain... how many 'others' are left? The Losties did kill many of them, no?


Yes you are right they did kill quite a few, seven was the eventual total, but there was still a substantial number of people that followed Richard to The Temple and along with The Losties there would be more than enough people for Locke to lead. Not to say that he's going to become president of the island or something...lol...although I wouldn't doubt it he is Locke and I believe the island will be his home until he dies, if he dies....

A leader of the others? No, I don't think so. I think that he will be a leader of anyone who wants to follow him. Maybe that will include some of Ben's people and seemingly Ben himself, but I don't think Ben is giving up his power and leadership to Locke so easily.

maybe this thread should have a poll....

I agree, Locke will become the new leader of the others, which will likely mean the death of Ben, since Ben wont take that lying down (i can almost picture turning into some kind of Gollum like in LoTR, LOL) . I tihnk also Locke will bring some kind of unity or understanding between the passaengers and the others errr original inhabitants. There will be TONS of curiosity surrounding CLaire because she successfully deliverred a child, and of course with Sun since shes pregnant. This is why i dont think Claire or Sun and Jin are part of the Oceanic 6 either,, they will stay to help, seeing the importance of the research. Re-enter Juliette. THis is why Jack is alone after going back, Juliette stays for the sake of Sun, and CLaire becomes the key.

I don't know if Locke will lead the others but Ben's statement to Mikhail in TTLG, "This island is under attack from forces stronger than anything it has had to face in a very, very long time. And we were meant to protect it." I think he's wrong there, the losties killed every Other loyal to Ben in their war. I think that the forces of the island sensed that th others lost their way and chose the losties to protect it, the losties just don't realize it yet. That's the reason for Jack, the man of science and Locke, the man of faith, to balance each other out. The remaining others and losties will join togethe because I think the conflict will come down to the people on the island versus the people on the freighter, and any of the new freighties that break.

Hmmmm...not sure where they're going with Locke. He seems to have the upper hand over Ben right now, but Ben is smarter and more cunning than Locke.

I also think Locke will become the leader of The Others. Just based on physicality alone, Locke is much stronger. Locke is pretty much indestructible. Ben is constantly beat up. I think my 4-year-old nephew could take out Ben with his nerf ball gun.

I agree with Locke replacing Ben as leader of the others. However I don't think we'll see it until next year or later.

Clearly there is dissension amongst the others about Ben. Ben is afraid of the power that Locke has -- the fact that he was healed miraculously. Ben shot Locke and left him for dead and said, "I hope Jacob helps you, John." and he did. Locke is walking around as though he'd never been shot. That has to scare the crap outta Ben.

That has to scare the crap outta Ben.

I think that's not gonna stop him from trying to control Locke. Ben's on his own now and he has to rely on his extenssive manipulation skills to survive. Something tells me, Ben will end up firmly in control of that leash, even if his hands are tied and he's a prisoner.

jacob is the leader of the others.

i still feel ben is still be in charge and they (locke and others) will start listening to him

Well Locke won't kill Ben. Ben still has way too much information and insight to dispose of him.

Claudia may be right -- Ben may be manipulating things even now or very soon.

He certainly isn't winning any awards with the Losties, is he? ;)

I'd say Locke will become at least one of the high ups in the hierarchy of the others. Ben did go with Locke, so Ben will carry on being leader. Hopefully he'll apologize for trying to kill Locke and make him second in command.

I'd say Locke will become at least one of the high ups in the hierarchy of the others. Ben did go with Locke, so Ben will carry on being leader. Hopefully he'll apologize for trying to kill Locke and make him second in command.

I don't know about that. I think Locke will let Ben live as long as his insight proves helpful but Richard Alpert is going to support Locke IMO over Ben and remain the second in command.

BTW- I want to see more of Alpert especially since the Others are dwindling.

The others aren't dwindling. They went to the temple at the end of season 3. We will soon see them. After all, Ben will probably check the losties with Locke, then suggest they go to the temple rather than the barracks.

The others aren't dwindling. They went to the temple at the end of season 3. We will soon see them. After all, Ben will probably check the losties with Locke, then suggest they go to the temple rather than the barracks.

No, I meant the ones with NAMES are dwindling.

Last season the Others lost Colleen & Danny Pickett, Ryan, Tom, Patchy, Bonnie, Gretta, Juliet and some no-names not to mention that Alex and Karl seem to be free of Ben's grip.

The only others that have names are Cindy and Richard Alpert that I can recall.

On the Lost S3 DVD Darlton even say that Isobel died last season although I don't remember when.

I would die if the last scene we see on LOST is John Locke, standing on a mountain holding a rifle above his head while a horde of screaming followers were beneath him.
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Here is a poll please vote!!!

Do any of you think that Locke could possibly become the new leader of The Others??? I think it's very possible. Let's look at the facts....

Locke has some good standing with The Others....Cindy told him they had been waiting for him because they knew he had been healed by the island and that makes him special. Ben's people have probably lost trust in him, knowing he has lied to them, some of them probably feeling the same as Richard..remember when he told Locke that Ben was just trying to humiliate him and didn't believe in him. Locke heard Jacob and Jacob told him to help him and that's pretty important I'd say. Jacob probably knows all about John and realizes he would be an asset. John knows the island, killed his father to get rid of that thing holding him back which is something you have to do I guess, and has had an interesting communion with the island since the day he arrived there.

Also if you think about it, The Others aren't really BAD people. I think their methods are a little unnecessary, but most of that is obviously a result of Ben and his games. Plus these are people who have been living on this island for many many years and their entire existence was threatened when The Dharma Initiative came, and while the Losties crashing there was a totally different situation, they probably still see other people coming to the island as a threat to their whole world. Ben has taken this too far and is willing to murder to keep their way of life. I DO NOT think this is the way all The Others are. Richard doesn't seem like a bad guy at all. And I think he represents who they really are. Maybe Jacob told Locke to help him because somehow Ben is keeping him trapped wherever he is.

Another thing is Locke has now taken a leadership role in asking whoever wants to live to leave the rest and follow him to The Barracks of all places. This is showing that Locke has great leadership skills and could lead The Others in continuing whatever is it they are doing.

And one more possibility is that eventually The Others merge with The Losties with the help of John and he leads them. Of course I think this would take a lot to happen and Ben would have to be dead most likely. I mean I don't know if this will every happen considering how much both groups have clashed already on the island, but who knows??

Any thoughts???

I hadn't really thought about it too much... but I'm gonna go with merging.

Hey everyone. Ok this is just me trying to get people to participate. I noticed that several people have viewed this thread and not done anything. Please at least vote in my poll. You don't have to post anything, I mean I would like that very much if you did but if you don't feel like posting at least vote in the poll. I think it is a good topic and worth discussion. I mean isn't that why we are all here, to create specific threads concerning theories and opinions about the show and discuss them?? I'm not trying to complain I just would really like it if you would all at least vote in the poll. I value everyone's opinion on this board and know all of you out there have some really good insight into this amazing show...I just want to get some of it on my own question. Thanks everyone...hope to get some more feedback soon. And thanks to everyone that posted on the one I already posted on this same topic a few days ago....I wanted to add a poll so I just reposted the whole thing in a new thread. Thanks again everyone....and to the one person that has voted so far AND posted....thanks dude...now everyone else do the same...please!!!!!
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In spite of all this I do believe of course that Jacob is the ultimate leader of The Others. But he must have someone tangible, someone who is, well normal, lol, to represent him and carry out his requests. So I believe this person will no longer be Ben but Locke.
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Well Locke would kill Ben once he got everything from him he needed. You're right he does need him for information about the island and Jacob and so forth. But I think when Ben gives Locke all he needs John will kill him. I mean I hope Ben doesn't go anywhere for a long time because he really is a great character and brings a lot to the show...but eventually that dude is gonna die and it would only be fitting for Locke to kill him...or Jack.
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Richard all has to worry that he does not allow Locke to turn into Ben.

Two sides, one is light, one is dark. Even if Locke is the dark side, he'll come around and help out Jack beat the freighters.

I didn't vote in the poll because I can't quite imagine either of the three possibilities to become true.
I think the crucial point is that for Locke this isn't about becoming a leader of anything. It's not really something he's interested in.
Somebody quoted that line about the island being under attack and that it's their task to protect it. That's the only reason why Locke would want to become a part of the Others, IMO. Because they're not on the island involuntarily and thusly have a reason to protect it against the outside forces. The other Losties don't have that, which is why Locke isn't finding much support for his "get away from the freighters"initiative initially.
True enough, Locke has been shown as desperate to be part of a group, to find a place where he belongs. But I think he has found that with the island, and not necessarily with the people inhabiting it. He'll take whatever support he can get on his mission to protect the island, but for him it's not really about the people. At least not as long as they don't share his view on the island, faith and destiny.
Besides, whether or not Ben's position as the leader of the others is in jeopardy, I don't think anybody, much less John Locke, should think he has beaten that king of manipulators already.
I have yet to see a scene between them in which Locke came out as the winner. Ben has manipulated him from the moment they first met, and I am sure he hasn't fully exploited his possibilities of manipulating Locke further.
I wouldn't even put it past Ben to be secretly holding the strings now, or to have been secretly pulling Alpert's string when he acted against Ben and gave Locke Sawyer's file. I wouldn't put anything past Ben, actually, and I think Locke's one big mistake might be underestimating him.
Whether or not that turns out to be a struggle for leadership or simply for survival, I have no idea :biggrin:

I have yet to see a scene between them in which Locke came out as the winner.

Well Ben was pretty stupid when he told Locke about Juliet, and carelessly showed Locke where the evidence (tape recorder) was stored.

Well Ben was pretty stupid when he told Locke about Juliet, and carelessly showed Locke where the evidence (tape recorder) was stored.
There's no proof to support this, just a gut feeling. But I'm not convinced yet that it was stupidity on Ben's part. He just doesn't strike me as someone to make those stupid mistakes. Especially when he knows he's dealing with somebody who is trying to outsmart him, and who is working his own agenda. My vote is still out whether Ben didn't plan that.
But as I said, there is no proof ;)

A leader of the others? No, I don't think so. I think that he will be a leader of anyone who wants to follow him. Maybe that will include some of Ben's people and seemingly Ben himself, but I don't think Ben is giving up his power and leadership to Locke so easily.

Yeah, I agree. Ben has too much in stake here on the Island to just give up his reign. I do think that a Ben-Locke power struggle will be one of the plotlines just as we now have three groups of people on the Island.

I think there will be a purge and merge with Locke emerging as the new leader. Maybe Ben will finally get his. Or maybe the freighties are coming for him? With all the conning that has gone on, maybe Ben has been pulling the biggest con on the money people keeping the island "experiments afloat. :shrug:

I think there will be a purge and merge with Locke emerging as the new leader. Maybe Ben will finally get his.

The only way anyone is going to snatch the leadership away from Ben is by prying it out of his cold fingers. He is nothing without his power tripping. He is also vastly superior to Locke when it comes to cunning and mental stamina. I think he'll be happy to let Locke feel in charge until he finds a way to wriggle out of his predicament.

Or maybe the freighties are coming for him?

I'd say that's a safe bet. In fact, I don't know how much he's trying to protect the Island but he's sure going to do everything within his power to protect his own :censored:. He committed mass murder and hijacked the project of an organization that invested a lot of money and effort into researching the Island. What are the chances that someone is very, very pissed at Ben and plans on taking control of CI?

One thing I haven't been able to figure out (and hopefully it gets explained soon) is how Richard Alpert has not been leading the Others? I mean, he did recruit Ben in a way, but we don't know if he was leading them then. He was at least an original "Other", whereas Ben came from the outside in. But why did Ben immediately get to be in charge?

Like I said, hopefully it gets explained soon, because that should give us a lot of other answers at the same time.

Good point Art I've been wondering the same thing about Richard.

One thing I haven't been able to figure out (and hopefully it gets explained soon) is how Richard Alpert has not been leading the Others? I mean, he did recruit Ben in a way, but we don't know if he was leading them then. He was at least an original "Other", whereas Ben came from the outside in. But why did Ben immediately get to be in charge?

Like I said, hopefully it gets explained soon, because that should give us a lot of other answers at the same time.

Well, so far we're led to believe that he's the only one who can see Jacob. I don't know if/how Jacob was important to the original Others before Ben came if they couldn't see him, but the fact that Ben acts like the spokesperson for Jacob seems to be hugely important to the Others. And Ben got pretty spooked and bothered about the fact that Locke could hear and see Jacob, if only for a moment. Clearly, he had not guessed that would happen.

So I guess Ben's not exactly going to make way for Locke just yet...

Now Tom and Ryan are dead Ben needs some muscle to carry out his plans so maybe that's what Locke will end up as

I think that Locke WILL become the leader, I think he will release Jacob from his cabin and that can't mean good things for Ben. I think the gunpowder around the cabin is what's keeping jacob in the cabin.

Ben's not gonna give up his island willingly so i think the power struggle is gonna be good

Ben's not gonna give up his island willingly so i think the power struggle is gonna be good

A struggle for me would imply two equally matched opponents. Locke is no match for Ben.

A struggle for me would imply two equally matched opponents. Locke is no match for Ben.
Locke is a great match for Ben. At least he has the island/Jacob/taller Walt on his side now ;)

My lips are sealed


due to being spoiled


...but Ben has never been more dangerous than he is right now and he's playing Locke like a cheap banjo. Again.

See what I mean?