[Jack and Kate observe the front-section plane wreckage]

KATE
Are you thinking of Charlie?

JACK
Feels like a hundred years ago that we came out here together.
How did this happen?

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Interesting, no? Discuss.

Jack was really referring to Season 1. Remember in the Pilot when him, Kate, and Charlie first came out to that same plane together? When they all went inside of the plane and the pilot gets pulled out suddenly? Possibly from the smoke monster.. we all had theories it was Smokey. It has been a long time seeing Jack and Kate at that plane together. That spot was one of the places where things all began.

So, I don't think this means anything.. just a feeling you would usually feel if you've been stranded on an island for days..months after a plane crash... it would feel like forever.. like 100 years.. when so much had happened on the island.. and they've been waiting for a rescue for so long.

Jack was just thinking back on things.

I'm sure Jack meant that it actually feels like its been 100 years since the plane crashed. So much had happened on that island.

Don't think this means anything.. just a feeling you would usually feel if you've been stranded on an island for days..months... it would feel like forever.. if there's no rescue.

This is what I'm going with. It's like when you're waiting in line, and with someone complaining to them about how slow it's moving. "My gosh, it feels like we've been in this line for ten years!" When maybe it's been ten minutes. I think it's just a figure of speech.

I'm sure Jack meant that it actually feels like its been 100 years since the plane crashed. So much had happened on that island.

Don't think this means anything.. just a feeling you would usually feel if you've been stranded on an island for days..months... it would feel like forever.. if there's no rescue.

le sigh... :drowsy: yes. I know what the character of Jack meant when he said it. Jeez, are you two noobs? Do you know how we play the LOST game? People say things, we see things, we think they might be hints or clues because most of us believe that nothing on LOST happens or is said without express reasons, then we go online and wiki every literary, philosophical or religious reference, anagram every name, draw diagrams over screencaps, and then come on here and try to tell everyone about the brilliant and clever insights we have and why our theory is the correct one, and then we go to sleep and have dreams of being one of the Losties, hangin out with Hurley and Charlie, doin' it with Kate and pressing the button every 108 minutes until we don't and then the sky turns purple and a big explosion happens and then we wake up, naked in bed. And we say to ourselves that we really can't keep obsessing like this because it is taking over our lives... so we say that we'll never go back, but it calls us to it and we end up travelling back to the Island every Thursday.
so... now then... I know what Jack said... what did it mean? :detctive:

This is what I'm going with. It's like when you're waiting in line, and with someone complaining to them about how slow it's moving. "My gosh, it feels like we've been in this line for ten years!" When maybe it's been ten minutes. I think it's just a figure of speech.

Yes, thats exactly what I meant to say!! LOL :redface: I was trying to explain that!! :biggrin:

le sigh... :drowsy: yes. I know what the character of Jack meant when he said it. Jeez, are you two noobs? Do you know how we play the LOST game? People say things, we see things, we think they might be hints or clues because most of us believe that nothing on LOST happens or is said without express reasons, then we go online and wiki every literary, philosophical or religious reference, anagram every name, draw diagrams over screencaps, and then come on here and try to tell everyone about the brilliant and clever insights we have and why our theory is the correct one, and then we go to sleep and have dreams of being one of the Losties, hangin out with Hurley and Charlie, doin' it with Kate and pressing the button every 108 minutes until we don't and then the sky turns purple and a big explosion happens and then we wake up, naked in bed. And we say to ourselves that we really can't keep obsessing like this because it is taking over our lives... so we say that we'll never go back, but it calls us to it and we end up travelling back to the Island every Thursday.
so... now then... I know what Jack said... what did it mean? :detctive:

LMAO LMAO LMAO That is to mucking fuch. Very, very funny :biggrin:

I know what Jack said... what did it mean? :detctive:

He meant what he said and he said what he meant: he's grieving for Charlie 100%. He's also wondering how they got there, from three innocent survivors seeking rescue in the cockpit, to people who have to fight to be free from the Island. Wondering how it got to the point where he wanted to shoot a man in the face because he kept insisting on keeping them prisoners on the Island. That's about it.

He meant what he said and he said what he meant: he's grieving for Charlie 100%. He's also wondering how they got there, from three innocent survivors seeking rescue in the cockpit, to people who have to fight to be free from the Island. Wondering how it got to the point where he wanted to shoot a man in the face because he kept insisting on keeping them prisoners on the Island. That's about it.


I completely agree Claudia. He was wondering where the innocence was lost with all 3 of the survivors and how did they all get at this point in the story. I think it was about Charlie and remembering him but I also saw some Jack and Kate undertones there of how did Jack and Kate go from strangers on a plane going to get a black box from the **** pit with an attraction to each other to how complicated things are between them now.

I/T :cool:

He meant what he said and he said what he meant: he's grieving for Charlie 100%. He's also wondering how they got there, from three innocent survivors seeking rescue in the cockpit, to people who have to fight to be free from the Island. Wondering how it got to the point where he wanted to shoot a man in the face because he kept insisting on keeping them prisoners on the Island. That's about it.

OK. Let me try this one more time, people. I know what Jack said. I also know what he meant. I asked... what it might have meant. "It" being the subtext -- the hint, the clue, the meaning of the words as written by a writer of LOST... the same writers of LOST who write in anagramed names like Mittelos (Lost Time) and Gary Troup (purgetory); name characters after philosophers and figures from the bible; place copies of books on tables and bookshelves like 'A Brief History of Time' or 'Watership Down'; who put the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42 and 108 on everything from the time on peoples watches to bottles of medicine and car odometers;

I mean come on... for "Christian Shepard's" (aka Christ's) sake... there is a 45 page thread going on right now about the meaning of Hurley's "Ho-Ho's". I'm quite sure that all Hurley meant by saying that Charlie was standing over by the Ho-Ho's was that he saw Charlie standing over by the Ho-Ho's. What the writers meantby having Hurley say that is a whole other discussion. That is the discussion I am trying to have here. Or perhaps you're going to try to explain to me now that you think the reason Hurley mentions Ho-Ho's is because when he saw his dead friend Charlie standing around in a convenience store, that what really stayed with him was what exact brand of snack cakes were on the shelves? Puh-leaze.

lmao.


"dude, you got some Arzt on you"

OK. Let me try this one more time, people. I know what Jack said. I also know what he meant. I asked... what it might have meant. "It" being the subtext -- the hint, the clue, the meaning of the words as written by a writer of LOST... the same writers of LOST who write in anagramed names like Mittelos (Lost Time) and Gary Troup (purgetory); name characters after philosophers and figures from the bible; place copies of books on tables and bookshelves like 'A Brief History of Time' or 'Watership Down'; who put the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42 and 108 on everything from the time on peoples watches to bottles of medicine and car odometers;

I mean come on... for "Christian Shepard's" (aka Christ's) sake... there is a 45 page thread going on right now about the meaning of Hurley's "Ho-Ho's". I'm quite sure that all Hurley meant by saying that Charlie was standing over by the Ho-Ho's was that he saw Charlie standing over by the Ho-Ho's. What the writers meantby having Hurley say that is a whole other discussion. That is the discussion I am trying to have here. Or perhaps you're going to try to explain to me now that you think the reason Hurley mentions Ho-Ho's is because when he saw his dead friend Charlie standing around in a convenience store, that what really stayed with him was what exact brand of snack cakes were on the shelves? Puh-leaze.

I'm sorry but I really think it didn't mean anything, unless you have something to back it up with. The Ho-Ho discussion is actually something to discuss on, it isn't just about Hurley and Sawyer saying 'Ho, Ho' ..that same word was also used for the snack food, Ho-Ho, you have mentioned.. as well as many other things that can go along with this saying.. they also analyzed something about a snow globe that was mentioned in a thread, after I think Sawyer joked about feeling like they are stuck in a snow globe. (they started thinking about the North Pole and Saint Nick (Santa Claus). Than the polar bears (are actually from the arctic) Than you take a look at the drawing of the igloo that Hurley drew in the first episode of Season 4. That is something to analyze.. theres more to it than just the Ho-Ho's (clues/hints maybe of where they could be).. they have things to back it up with. (It's very interesting.. but, I honestly, don't believe that theory.. I could be wrong though.. who knows)

But, anyway.. since you started this thread..and there's been no discussion yet.. I'll try to take a shot at it.. Here's my theory:

It would be shocking to find out that they actually have been there for 100 years.. (if that is your theory) and not know it. Like with the whole time traveling/shifting theory.. which I believe.. we have tons of things to back that up with. Like with Desmond and his 'time traveling flashes' he had, its possible that he could have messed with time and made the days go faster. The strange weather has been a major mystery since day one. It's like with what the freighter, Daniel, had said about the sun standing so still when he looked around the island.. that the sun only hits certain spots in the forest, and found it very odd, or something (like that he said). That's been a big mystery.

It's something we have yet to learn more about. So, I don't really know for sure if they have been there for 100 years until we actually get proof, or some more clues that they possibly are..

the same writers of LOST who write in anagramed names like Mittelos (Lost Time) and Gary Troup (purgetory); name characters after philosophers and figures from the bible; place copies of books on tables and bookshelves like 'A Brief History of Time' or 'Watership Down'; who put the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42 and 108 on everything from the time on peoples watches to bottles of medicine and car odometers.

Let me try this one more time: I'm not quite the nerd THEY are. I just don't have that many spare hours in my life. Because the ultimate answer to what does it MEAN in the case of most of those cool visual Easter Eggs is: nada.

It would be shocking to find out that they actually have been there for 100 years.. (if that is your theory)
No. That is not my theory. I'm not taking what he said as a literal clue. As in -- he said it feels like they've there 100 years, so that must be a clue saying they've been there 100 years. That is ridiculous. I am suggesting that it was interesting that anyone on the island would make such a comment, given the very real possibility that they have been there for much much longer than they believe they have been.

theres more to it than just the Ho-Ho's (clues/hints maybe of where they could be).. they have things to back it up with.

I'm sorry but I really think it didn't mean anything, unless you have something to back it up with.....Like with the whole time traveling/shifting theory.. which I believe.. we have tons of things to back that up with. You just responded your own statement. You are saying that you don't think it meant anything unless there is something to back it up with... kind of like the whole time traveling/shifting theory, which you believe, in part because there are tons of things to back it up with. EXACTAMUNDO. What do you think I am talking about? I'm not implying that Jack saying that it feels like he, Kate and Charlie were out at the wreckage 100 years ago, really means that they are really living in a Hollow Earth, in an Island in the sky, in purgatory or in Hurley's mind. I am merely suggesting that it is just the sort of device a writer would use to subtly (or not so subtly) point in the direction of the place they will eventually arrive. It is ironic foreshadowing. It is ironic because Jack says in a completely benign, seemingly non-sequetor moment that he feels like they've been there 100 years... and little does he actually know that they have been there for much much longer than they perceive -- and it foreshadows the actual discovery of that information.


***MOD EDIT***

I'm still going over in my mind a comment that Jack said to Kate at the wreckage after she inquires, "Are you thinking of Charlie?"
Jack says, "You'll think a hundred years ago we came out here together. How did this happen?" She looks at him, he shakes his head ruefully.
Kate never questions it or answers the question. Suddenly she remarks about the thunder getting louder. So, why did he say that? I mean why choose a hundred years? If I were going to make a comment to someone, I'd say a number that makes sense. 100 years? Why say we came out here together? Here as in the wreckage? Or here as in the island? Technically they didn't come to the island together as a couple, but as strangers. It seemed odd is what I'm saying. Unless he knew that it would be possible to live that much longer beyond his middle age of present. On LOST, some things are said for future AHA moments and then sometimes a banana is just a banana.

"You can get killed walking your doggie!" -V. Hanna

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to be insulting other posters.

You can share your theories and ideas without resorting to baiting and insults.


Kitten_kath.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to be insulting other posters.

You can share your theories and ideas without resorting to baiting and insults.


Kitten_kath.


I agree, insults we can do with out. We are all privledged that we can come here and express and discuss our thoughts about the best show on television (in my opinion, lol). Everyone on here seems like true fans and good people. Lets keep it that way.
cheer's.


"dude, you got some Arzt on you"

le sigh... :drowsy: yes. I know what the character of Jack meant when he said it. Jeez, are you two noobs? Do you know how we play the LOST game? People say things, we see things, we think they might be hints or clues because most of us believe that nothing on LOST happens or is said without express reasons, then we go online and wiki every literary, philosophical or religious reference, anagram every name, draw diagrams over screencaps, and then come on here and try to tell everyone about the brilliant and clever insights we have and why our theory is the correct one, and then we go to sleep and have dreams of being one of the Losties, hangin out with Hurley and Charlie, doin' it with Kate and pressing the button every 108 minutes until we don't and then the sky turns purple and a big explosion happens and then we wake up, naked in bed. And we say to ourselves that we really can't keep obsessing like this because it is taking over our lives... so we say that we'll never go back, but it calls us to it and we end up travelling back to the Island every Thursday.
so... now then... I know what Jack said... what did it mean? :detctive:

If it's an consolation, that may have been the greatest thing ever written in reference to LOST discussion of all time. Period. As for the phrase, I too believe very much in the sub-text of a statement and it's signifigance, as to where this pertains... I'm not sure. Certainly lends itself to time repeating itself over and over if Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve though, eh?

That is not my theory. I'm not taking what he said as a literal clue. As in -- he said it feels like they've there 100 years, so that must be a clue saying they've been there 100 years. That is ridiculous. I am suggesting that it was interesting that anyone on the island would make such a comment, given the very real possibility that they have been there for much much longer than they believe they have been.

There is the feeling of distorted chronology with LOST; at least I feel it. The apparent time from the crash of Oceanic 815 to Season 4 is approximately 90 days (100 days?) yet from the perspective of the viewer the Losties have been on the island for 3 years. The Losties certainly look as if they have been living on the island for years. I suspect this feeling of distorted time is deliberate on the part of those who created Lost.

They also mentioned that Walt was "taller" twice within the next episode. That could suggest that people on the island are experiencing a slower version of time than people off the island. As in, they may have actually lived about 87 days in island time, but that same amount of time off-island amounts to several years. So even though Walt has only been gone a few weeks in island time, he's actually aged several years in real time.

Well what about that "Others" dude (whose name escapes me right now) who appears to be the same age now as he was when Ben was a boy...

Ya know there is a folk tale/fairy tale/legend about a man who finds himself in a land of perpetual youth...at one point he desires to go back to the "real" world, he is granted his wish but told that he can never return to the land of immortality so that he must make his choice with care. When the man returns to the world he discoveres that it has moved many decades on.... all the people of his own day are dead or very old and nothing is recognisable to him. Perhaps the Island is a kind of Neverland where time moves slowly compared to the outside world.
100%

Well what about that "Others" dude (whose name escapes me right now) who appears tonow as he was when Ben was a boy be the same age ...


Richard...that's his name... isnt it rather creepy that he appears to be the same age now as he was when Ben first came to the Island. Is Richard experiencing this slow aging thing? And yet it appears that Ben grew up... hmmm